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Episode 037: Point to Point Hundos: Wasatch, Pine to Palm, Mogollon, Superior

This week we talk about the classic late summer point to point 100 milers that took place over the weekend.  Results from Wasatch Front 100, Pine to Palm 100, Mogollon Monster 100, and Superior Trail 100.  Crazy that all these juggernauts take place in the same weekend!   We also discuss Hurricane 100K, Wy’east Wonder 50 mile and 50K, and YUTC 50K.  Tor Des Geants is going on and John Kelly was having a great race until he wasn’t.  Also, there is a new men’s 6 day record!  Matthieu Bonne of Belgium broke a record that was set in 2005 by the multi day legend Yiannis Kouros.  We end the show with AT updates for Tara Dower and Mike Wardian.  They are in the same area!  I (Farley) had a bit of technical difficulty during this recording so please excuse that. Socials Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ultrarunning_news_network/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61555338668719 X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/ultrarunnews Threads: https://www.threads.net/@ultrarunning_news_network Email: ultrarunning.news.network@gmail.com

Duration:
1h 6m
Broadcast on:
11 Sep 2024
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This week we talk about the classic late summer point to point 100 milers that took place over the weekend.  Results from Wasatch Front 100, Pine to Palm 100, Mogollon Monster 100, and Superior Trail 100.  Crazy that all these juggernauts take place in the same weekend!   We also discuss Hurricane 100K, Wy’east Wonder 50 mile and 50K, and YUTC 50K.  Tor Des Geants is going on and John Kelly was having a great race until he wasn’t.  Also, there is a new men’s 6 day record!  Matthieu Bonne of Belgium broke a record that was set in 2005 by the multi day legend Yiannis Kouros.  We end the show with AT updates for Tara Dower and Mike Wardian.  They are in the same area!  I (Farley) had a bit of technical difficulty during this recording so please excuse that.

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(upbeat music) (upbeat music) (laughing) - I don't know what's happening. (laughing) - That was a nice little thing right there too. - What is going on? - Love it. Love it. - Little, little EDEM. - Little, little, little. - Get the party started. - Folks, postlessness on their run just like, they're per mile time just dropped by like 30 seconds. I think they just have a fight, you know? Just start feeling it. - They didn't know what to do. (laughing) - All right. - All right. - We had a lot of classic 100 mile races over the weekend and a lot of point-to-point 100 mile races over the weekend. So, you know, you would think that maybe after UTMB that it would kind of be a hangover, not a lot of big races, but this really, I think is the start of the late summer, early fall, a glut of classics. And we can go ahead and jump right in to, oops, to our results, oops, add to stage. (laughing) There we go. We're gonna start with Wasatch. So, Wasatch Front 100, this is part of the grand slam of ultra running, you know? It's one of the original, the OG 100. - Yeah. - It's near Salt Lake City. And the mountains there on both Salt Lake. Caysville, Utah, I believe is where it starts. This is not a cupcake race. It's about 24,000 feet of climbing as our advertising is 24,000 feet of climbing. And it is a point-to-point race. I know that Wasatch is a lottery, it's very popular. And, you know, I didn't bear 100, which is north of where Wasatch is, but that whole like area there is just awesome. I mean, like great views, you know, nice trails. It's very, very cool. And Joff Rose actually has the course record at Wasatch from in 2009. And he had done it in 18 hours and 30 minutes. Jimmy Ilam, he led early on and never looked back in the race on Saturday. Or maybe they start on Friday, I'm not sure. But anyways, he pretty much ran off the front and he was going after that record. But he ended up, he ended up short of the record. He got 19 hours and eight minutes for the win. Second fastest run in course history. Joff Rose, like I said, it was 2009 when he set that record. Jose Cruz placed second, 20 hours, 27 minutes. And Tyler Fanon, third, 21 hours, 13 minutes. And then the women's race, Elizabeth Butler, 26 hours, 22 minutes, one. She crossed the finish line in less than five minutes ahead of second place finish for Laura Hanson. So less than five minutes over that amount of climbing and that distance, that's pretty incredible. And Laura Hanson was 26 hours, 26 minutes. Andrea McAfee rounded out the podium. Let's go to the results page here. It was like, did Carl Meltzer run it? No, that was not Carl Meltzer, Luke Metzger. Yeah, so that was Wausage. And Pine de Palm was also over the weekend. This is another classic race that's been going on for quite a while. This race is put on by Hal Kernner, one of the heroes of our day. Yeah, it's been around for a minute, yep. Yeah, Hal, the Rogue Valley runners puts this on. That's Hal's group, I believe. And there's around 20,000 feet of climbing. And this is in Oregon. It starts in Williams, Oregon and ends in Ashland, which is a great trail town. And there's some great views. Mount Shasta, you can see in the distance, Mount McLaughlin. Yeah, and I have some friends that ran this race. And it's, I guess the first half of the cutoffs are like pretty tough, pretty tough cutoffs up on the first 100K. Yeah. I mean, I think you have, well, you have 34 hours to complete the race. So, yeah, it's remote and rugged, point to point. And let's go. That's way, that's way down there. Like Williams, Oregon, Ashland, Oregon, that's way southern Oregon. Yeah, it's southern Oregon. The Sisku mountain range, I believe it is. Yeah, like far enough south Oregon, you can see Cali cut a part of south. Like it's like right there. Like, yeah, you can see Mount Shasta from that course. Yeah. And so, Jase Ives got first place in 21 hours and 47 minutes. Oh, wait. No, this isn't. Why does it say elapsed? Oh, okay. Yeah, Jase Ives, first place man, or first place male, first place overall, 21 hours, 47 minutes. And Annie Bernd got second overall and first place female in 22 hours and 40 minutes. Susan Oh got third place overall, 23 hours, 31 minutes, second place female. Ethan Lewis was the second place male, 23 hours, 34 minutes, fourth overall. You ever look when like, maybe you, I don't know. I, you and I talked about this. I'm a massive Google Maps nerd. Do you ever just look at the Google Maps and just zoom in on some of these cities where like these races are held? Yeah. Dude, if you live in Williams, Oregon. Good on you. Like that is rural boy. That is, it is way out there. Yeah. There's, I'm not a hundred percent sure what they're calling a city. Like I'm not sure like that would not constitute a city in very many other places. No, and you know, Ashland is, Ashland is the bigger, the bigger city of that race. That's why they, they shuttle them out to Williams and then they finish in Ashland. I think my friends actually took an Uber to the start. That is, I can't imagine what that Uber would have cost. I can't remember what they said, but they split it between three ways. But you're not picking up anybody else on the other end. Could you, I know, could you imagine being that Uber driver? Like, wait, you want me to do what? Yeah. You're doing what? And then like, and then like you said, like you got to tip that Uber driver really well. Like you got to go ahead and just tip that Uber driver 'cause you're right. They didn't have like an hour drive back to like civilization. Right. I mean, like, that's a long haul. Ashland does look pretty dope though. Yeah, Ashland, I've never been there, but I've heard a lot of good things, you know, Timothy Olson lived there for a while. He lives in Colorado now, but, you know, Al Kerner. It's, Ashland is a great trail town from my understanding. Yeah. But look who got, look who got seventh place in this race. I don't know if you can see that on the screen there, but can you imagine if the, if that guy's parents made his middle name, Skye? Yeah, I know, I know. His name is Luke Walker. Luke Walker. That would be so awesome. (laughing) At minimum, at minimum, if his middle name is not Skye, at minimum, he needs to have an S for an initial, right? (laughing) That's right, that's right. Like Skye, Steve, Steven, Stefan, something. So at least it's like Luke, Ash Walker. People are like, oh shit, you know what I mean? Like, Psyc, it's got... (laughing) And a race that is not one of the classics, but it's been going on for, I don't know, six, seven years. And it's actually gained a lot of, getting more popularity these days is the Mugen Monster. Ooh, yeah. That is a M F for boy. So this race, it takes place in near Pioneer, Arizona, which is out in the middle of nowhere, if you looked that one up on Google Map. Yeah, yeah. So actually, a friend of mine, frozen at Fertile, he lived in Pine for a while, and he ran all over that Mugen room. So that's what it is, it's like there's a big canyon there. It's called in the Mugen room. So they go, this race goes down, it's kind of like you're rimmed the river, it goes down and up and down and up. It is point to point, and Aerovipe puts this race on, so it's been getting a lot more attention. And it is actually a hard rock qualifier, believe it or not. It's only advertised as 17,000 feet of climbing, but it's super technical. Like, it's very rocky. It's, I don't, I think the downhills are probably, you're not making that much time on those downhills, they're steep, technical. I mean, I feel like Aerovipe really doesn't hold back a lot of what you should expect of it, because even in the photo on the, even the cover photo on the website. The main website, yeah. Yeah, I mean, like you look at that photo that you have pulled up right now, and that thing looks like it. Go ahead, bomb that down hill, I've tripled on there. Like, it's, it is kind of cool, because I do have a photo album that you can go and like, thumb through all of the races this race has had. And there is not a picture in here. Oh, site, literally toggle it to the next one, and it was a dirt road. Well, there's a few dirt roads at the top of the rim, where you like, connect to the next trail. Yeah, it is just brutal, boy. And when you're on trail, you're kicking rocks. - This video that I'm playing from Instagram right now, you can see it's just, yeah, it's steep, it's rocks. This is called like the Myrtle Trail. And he's like, he's like, it should be called the Murder Trail. (laughing) - It does, it looks like, yeah. This goes back, I mean, what's kind of funny is, not to toot my own horn. It's the kind of race where I'm probably a little designed for someone like me, because you don't need to be fast. You just need to be willing to be miserable for a really long time. Yeah, I mean, 'cause you're not blazing on this. You are not lighting well. The average Joe's not lighting this course up. You know what I mean? It's interesting for sure. - I mean, to be honest, I would probably get pretty frustrated with it. Like, I get frustrated when I can't make up time on the downhill. - Yeah. - You know, it's just, I don't know, it's just frustrating. But, you know, that's part of our sport. We run in different areas, you know, there's different technicality. I've been pretty spoiled here in the Bay Area. (laughing) - Yeah, yeah. - In general. So, as I get older, I'm maybe like less inclined to like technical stuff, but, but it's all part of the sport. So, yeah, first place, male, first place overall was Killian Court. And, you know, we've mentioned his name a few times. He was, I don't understand these times. - Yeah, I was like, their times are hard to read. Like, I think he ran it in 2237 is the winning time. - I don't, oh, I know that it's because the 42K was, is mixed in there. That's what it's not. - Yeah, the yellows to 42K. - Okay. - Yeah. So, the winning time for the, the winning time for the 100 was 2237, 25, Killian Court. Second place was another guy. His name is Edward Ramirez, Peter Ramirez, right behind him. Oh, no, it's like I lied. An hour behind him. And then third place was another guy, Buck Blankenship at 2348. And then we didn't have our first women's finisher. Cool. - Three, six. - Man, holy cow. Yeah, I am still scrolling looking for a win. Yeah, the 20th overall, the 20th overall first place women, woman was 2928, Theresa Shiplet. - Yeah. - So, bro, that is, that is tough, man. That is really tough. - And I believe there's a 38-hour cut off. - Yeah, yeah, 'cause your second place woman came across in 3053, dude. - That is, and that is crazy. Second, third, oh wait, I'm sorry. And then third place of-- - My endeavor was second female, 30 hours 53. - Yeah, but it is, I mean, here's the other thing that tells me a race is really, really like just like, you have to be like strong. Like just, dude, like it is not often that you see the second place woman, 24th overall. Like damn, dude, like that is tough. And then the first place woman being 20th overall, like that is gnarly. That is a hard-ass race. That's a lot of physical domain being put on. - Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so this is like the elevation profile. You know, it looks like there are some sections that are like rolling, but you can see those sections where you drop down into the canyon and back up. And like I said, I don't think climbing is necessarily the issue with this race. I think it's more of the technicality. - Yeah. - And I'm sure the climbs in the sense are like super steep, it looks like they are, you know, but-- - Like, I think of this race, and I think of like, who is it, like Sally McCraig, right? Is like really well-known for being super strong, like an extremely strong physical, you know, like elite woman. I feel like it would have to be like she could probably do some damage on this course. She could probably like this course up. - Yeah. - And who's the, we've talked about a couple of times this year alone. Who is the lady that is a, she does like crossfit two or something like that? She's won a couple of races, we've talked about her. Oh, why is she-- - Ashley, Ashley Paulson. - Yes. - Oh yeah. - Dude, I would like to see Ashley Paulson run this race. I bet she can do some damage, 'cause she is strong as fuck. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I bet she can kill it, so. - Yeah, it'd be interesting. Yeah, this is, like I said, this is a hard rock qualifier. Also, one of the other classics that took place over the weekend was Superior, Superior 100. And this takes place on the Superior Trail, up in the Sawtooth Mountain Range in Minnesota, up along Lake Superior. And this is another really technical race. I mean, lots of rocks and roots. There's a little over 17,000 feet of climbing, it's point to point. And yeah, it's a tough race, from my understanding. - Hey, all right, you're on the photo gallery. Scroll down a little bit for me. All right, stop, hold on, move your, all right, where the, move your cursor to the right. Yep, click on that photo. Who's there? - Oh, that's Roy, Roy Head. Oh, maybe not. - No, no, no, isn't that Michael, oh shit, isn't that Mike, the dude has ran, he has ran, if that's who I think it is, he has ran every single burning river there's ever been. Michael's something, anyways, I think that might be him. That's a, if that's who I think it is, that's a bad motherfucker right there, boy. (laughing) Bad dude, hey, that's a bad dude. - He's got the wallet, this is bad motherfucker on it. (laughing) - That's a, that's a bamf right there, man. That's a bamf. (laughing) - Too funny. All right, so the, you know, a classic Midwest race, Northern Midwest, is that a thing? I don't know. - It is now. - Yeah, in the 100, there's a 100-mileer and a 50-mileer. The 100-mileer is Scott Wupada, first place 20 hours, 54 minutes, Andrew Warg, 21 hours, 42 minutes, and second, Ross Ring Jarvey, third, 21 hours, 49 minutes. So it looks like second, third place male and overall, we're pretty close, within seven minutes. See, first place female is 20th overall, Cheryl Matson, 27 hours, 41 minutes, and Erica Thomas, 27 hours, 58 minutes per second, Kelly or Kelly Brown, third place female, 24th overall, 28, 17. Okay, there's also, go ahead. - I was saying, it's a pretty cool race. I mean, this is a, you know, who wants to run this race really bad? It's been on its wish list for years and years, years, years. - Yes. - This is a yet another Chaz Adams wish list race. So like it's, it's this and, and Western States are his too. Like, like keeps trying to put it into form, keeps not getting up and like, just keeps on keeping on. He cannot get, can I get into them? - Oh, he's got, he's got a decent chance at Western States now, I think, so. - Does he move up to a solid 1% chance at this point? - No, how many, he's got, I think he's going to have like 30 some or 60 some tickets. - I think he's up to 60 now, yeah. 'Cause this is going on, I can't remember the map on it, but this is like, you're at six or seven of them trying to get in. - Yeah, I'll definitely be driving up to crew for him, but. - Oh dude, yeah. - It's a longer, it's a longer drive for me. Well, I haven't really, I haven't really divulged that info to a lot of people yet, but it's going to be a little bit longer of a drive for me next year. (laughing) - That ride is a little bit longer. - Yeah. Anyway, there's a race in West Virginia that I didn't know about. - I know, I know. - 100K, 1300K, and they have like some pretty good prize money at this race. 2,500 for first place male and female, 1,500 for second place male and female, 1,000 for third place male and female. And I think, I don't even think there was that many finishers, to be honest. Let me see. So this is a race, there's 10.3 mile loop, a loop. - Ooh, yeah. - That you do, you know, whatever. - 10 times, right? - Well, to be five times? - No, it's a, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, 10 miles, yeah. - Or six times? - Yeah, yeah, six times. Am I ahead of thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And 7,800 foot feet of climbing total. It's in Meek's mountain trails in Hurricane, West Virginia. I think they specifically made these trails for like mountain biking or something. And let's see. Oh, they do have, okay, they have like a relay or something. - Yeah, I think there's probably a, but you know, I mean, this is right across, I mean, this is right across the border of Ohio. - Yeah. - Okay, 1,300 feet of climbing for loop, 7,800 feet for the 100k, 10.3 mile loop, one hydration station at mile eight, the other station is at the beginning of each loop, beginning and end of each loop. Yeah, so anyway, to the results, who won the prize money? - It's kinda embarrassing. - For some reason, my browser is - So for this year, Alex Miner at Huntington, West Virginia, took the first place finished with 845-58, and then Dan Green, also out of Huntington, West Virginia, took second place at 903. So I would assume, one guy's 27 year, guys 26, I would assume they know each other, I would hope they know each other, but Huntington only has like 50,000 people, and I don't know how they don't know each other. - Yeah, not many ultra runners. - Yeah, yeah, here's this wild third place, this dude's from Prescott, Arizona, a guy named Sawyer Magnet came from, oh wait, no, my bad, that's a she, Sawyer Magnet is third place overall, first place female. She came from Prescott, Arizona, and she ran it in 955-21, and then your third place men guy was David Smith, and it doesn't say where he's from, so maybe he's Mothman from Huntington, I don't know. And then so your second place women's finisher, gotta go down a little bit, your second place women's finisher was Leslie Starns, it looks like it says, again, from West Virginia. I feel like she's from, she's from Ona, which I think it's in that neck of the woods. I think she, I don't think that's far from where she, where the trace was at, but she was your second place, and then third place women, woman was... Holy majeez, I'm not sure if I even see it on here. Where are you at? Holy cow, third place woman was from Wisconsin, actually, Kimberly R. Binger from Wind Lake, Wisconsin, and she ran it in 1634. And I got some gas money for the ride home. And so here's what's crazy, here's what's wild. She's your third place woman with 1634, right? She was fourth from last on the race. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Okay, 'cause I know, looks like I'm frozen, but... Oh, you are, yeah, yeah, yeah, your video is... So, yeah, so she got some gas money for the way home. Yeah, third place. Yeah, that's wild, she got third place woman, but she was fourth from last on the race. It's super weird. So, I don't know. So how many finishers total were there in this race? 32. 32 total finishers for, like, nice prize money. Yeah, yeah, and then, yeah, 32 finishers, you had 10 DNFs and you had 11 DNFs. Okay, I mean, there's no way an act that I could throw down a sub 10 hour, 100K, no matter how you draw it up, but... I don't know, man. I think you got sub 10, 100K in, yeah. (laughing) I don't know. Now, here's the bad thing is this is blessed by God, Virginia. So, you're not, I gave, you're back into technical trails and everything, probably. Yeah. So, I would assume, at least, I can't, I don't know, I'd be stunned if they're really super bugged out. Yeah. Okay, so, like, I'm on my work computer and it's not going well. So, you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to do the results for... Walk us through, okay. Yeah, if you can. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, so, after Hurricane, the next one we had that we can talk about. And I, all right, so this is gonna be a funny one for us to talk about because this particular race, like, in my mind, as I read it, I know how I wanna say it out loud, but how do you say this race out loud? Do you know? Oh, we might... Put your back in. Ladies and gentlemen, we are having technical difficulties. There you are. All right, hello. So, there you are. We just had, like, five minutes of the podcast people are like, "What the F is going on?" Yeah, work computer does not like extracurricular activities apparently. So, for the race after Hurricane us, I was asking you, how do you pronounce the name of that race? I'm guessing it's Y East. Do you think that's what it is? It's just something as simple as Y East? Yeah, I think so. I think I see that. I'm like, am I just like overly simplifying it? But yeah, Y East is the next race we're looking at. Again, it's a 50 in a 50K. Yeah, and this is another one that, I mean, this race has been around, not forever, it's been around since, like, 2018. But it's... I feel like I hear about this race every year. Every year I hear about this race. And, like, what's funny is, like, I gotta be honest, I don't fully know why. I can't necessarily just have great marketing. But, like, every year I hear about this race, it does look like it's really cool. It looks like it's really close to Mount Hood. So... I was gonna say the same thing. I always hear this name of this race for some reason. Maybe it's... You know what? I think it's advertised in Ultra Running magazine, to be honest, but this is put on by this company, Go Beyond Racing in Oregon. Great race company. And actually, I'm running one of their races in a week and a half. Oh, nice. Yep. So, this race, the 50-mileer, at least, the overall winner was a gentleman by name of Cody Shriver. And if I'm reading this right, my dude absolutely blistered this 50-mileer. Like, if I'm reading this right, this dude ran this 50-mileer and seven hours and 52 minutes. Like, that is hammering a 50-hourer. And here's the wild thing. Second place was a lady, was a woman by the name of Audrey Lawrence from Washington. And she ran it in nine hours. Like, which oddly enough, kind of cool, nine hours flat. Like, she was six seconds away from a sub nine. She ran it in nine hours, zero minutes and five seconds. So, I mean, Cody just rocked that course. And then Clark Morgan is your second place, men's, but third overall, and he ran at 909. And then we have a non-binary. Uh, who came in with the name of baby Tim. (laughs) - Tim Tim. - Baby Tim, 937. And then second place female, Jenna Zukka. Also from Washington with a 944. So, I mean, you have your, you know, two through six, almost two through seven coming in and that nine hour, 10 hour mark. And I don't know. I Cody dude hammered, like that 752 is insane. - Yeah, that's cooking. It looks like a cool course too. I think, I think some of these maybe some of the trails, maybe near where my race is going to be. - Yeah. - You see Mount Hood in the background. That looks like a, like a road, like a Jeep road or something, but it looks pretty scenic off of that Jeep road. Yeah. Looks like a cool race. - It must, like, like, I don't want to take any like, it's got to be a predominantly Jeep road, right? It's got, I mean, for a dude to run at 752.50, like, three days, like. - Well, let's see here, they break it down. - Yeah. - No, this is the course. Yeah. I don't think they have a breakdown of like, of like what percentage single track. - Yeah. - Well, there's a nice trail. Like some of those trails up there are really nice around Mount Hood. - Super buffed out here, I think. Yeah. Like the Pacific Crest Trail up there, which a lot of my race is in a week and a half, a lot of Mount Lakes 100 is on the Pacific Crest Trail. And it's, it's a nice section of trail up there, so. - You got, it's a 50-mileer. It's a 50-mileer with 72, just shy at 73 heartbeat again. So nothing crazy there either, right? Like not crazy. - Yeah, it's, yeah, it's nice, that's a nice amount. - Oh, and by the way, it's a net downhill. So, right, you're getting ready to get to it here in a second. - The last section on the Oak Ridge Trail is a sturdy and rocky downhill. You'll drop almost 2,000 feet in a bit over two and a half miles. - Yeah. - And quads will be crying. Then you'll finish up on double track to the arch. Okay, so you start at Mount Hood and you go south. Looks like there's like a loop in there, like a lollipop. Well, there's like an out, it's a lollipop loop kind of. And then it goes down near government camp, which is kind of at the base of Mount Hood. - Yeah, so I mean, you literally have Mount Hood to your right, almost the entire race. - It looks like you go north actually. So, yeah. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, should be to your left. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, to your left. - But I'm wondering if that's, okay, surveyors Ridge Trail. Yeah, I just saw some trails out there in that area. Looks like a fun race. - It would be a fun race. I know my ass was for sure getting lost on that, that little lollipop that's out there. Like, if you really zoom in on that, I am a hundred percent getting lost on that little effort. - They had a 50k too, Peter Buckley was first place male, four hours and 12 minutes. And Tyler Dudley, second place male, four hours, 38 minutes. Meg Imhoff was the first place female. She did five hours, 20 minutes. Second place female Vanessa Van Staden and five hours and 22 minutes. All right, one more race to talk about is UTC. Why UTC 50k, which I heard a little bit about this lead guy 'cause our friends Pete and Chaz, both ran this race. Did you hear what happened? - Yeah, I did. - Apparently they got lost. I didn't hear the whole story, but... - Yeah, and so, I mean, it's like, it's hard for me to kind of mentally picture where they got lost because just talking to Pete and Chaz a little bit the last couple of days, it sounds like the course has changed from what I ran 'cause I ran it in my, gosh, I can't, it's gotta be 2015, maybe, it's been years since I ran this race, maybe not that long. Anyways, it's been a long time since I ran this race. And when I ran it, it started, it literally just started in front of like a half ass, like, wall cabin thing. Like, you had the parking, it was prepping out, walked out, big ass hill, and it started there. But now Chaz and Pete were saying, it started on like a playground or some shit and it ended in the middle of a big field. But, so I don't know what hill they're talking about, but I do remember there's only two or three hills that are like even hills. And one of the ones toward the end, when you get to the top of it, there's like just like ever so slight. It's just a little Y in the trail and it sounds like the flat, or like the little marker for that was like far enough up that it may have got missed or it's flipped or something like that. Well, the way this course is designed is there's also a loop. There's like a loop on top of a loop. So even if you make the wrong turn, you're rarely enough still on the trail. You're just four miles behind back on the trail. You know what I mean? Like, you're kind of doubling back onto what you should be on. It's kind of like-- - Yeah, you end up on the course, but you-- - Yeah, and so-- - You're way further ahead. - Yeah, and so Chaz was actually, Chaz, you know, Chaz had a rough year when-- - Yes. - Like weird funky shit happening at racist. And Chaz's whole thing is he wanted to go up there and just hammer this motherfucker. He wanted to like, yeah, he was looking for like a sub five hour 50K. - Wow. - And-- - No. - No. - Where are you, sub six? What was he looking for? - Sub five would make sense, yeah. - Sub five, and so he's looking for a sub five 50K. And here's what's crazy. Our little boy, Chaz, the Adams, was running in the top 10-- - Wow. - And missed that turn. And he, it's just like, you know how, like you go out with like a certain, like go in your head and then when it gets a little food bar, you're like, fuck it. Like, I really didn't want to do the race. I was only doing the race 'cause I wanted to and I only wanted to if I could do this. If that's out the window, it just stops being what you wanted, right? - Yeah. - So it is an extremely old school low frills race. Like it is old school as all get out. They used to only do paper applications. - It's been going on for 20, 20 years. It says it's the 20th anniversary of the race. - It's been around forever. - And this is the Youngstown ultra trail classic for those of you listening. - Yeah. - Y UTC. They call it UT, right? UT. - YOTC. - YOTC. - Yeah. - I see Kim there on the cover. I haven't seen her in quite a while. She used to be around to forget to be R all the time. So yeah, well, let's take a look at some results here. - It's kind of cool why you get the if you're in the Midwest and or like Northeast Ohio, Western PA, I do highly encourage people to go check out it. Go run the race. It's an old school race. Be warned, it is old school. You are not going to get pampered at these aid stations. And the starting gun is like go like that way. - Yeah, yeah. - Here's what's cool is it's in Youngstown, right? It's in Mill Park is the name of the park that it's in inside Youngstown. And like I could be way, way wrong about this, but like Mill Park is it ranks really high. Like it's one of the largest urban parks in the U.S. or something like that. It has a really unique distinction that like puts it up there with like go to Gate Bridge Park and like central park. - Yeah, it ranks up there kind of like in that picture. - It's probably bigger than the nose. Like, you know, Golden Gate Park is three miles long by one mile wide. - Yeah. - And that's bigger than central park. - Yeah. - No creek park must be bigger. - I don't think it's bigger, but I think it's in that area. But it is super cool. And like here's the thing it's been around forever. So there's a mill in there. There's like what used to be a functioning mill in there. And like it's cool. It is an extremely cool park. And like you can get down inside that park by the river and completely forget that you're in the middle of Youngstown, Ohio. Which again, if you've never been to Youngstown, it is, it itself is an interesting explore. (laughing) - I've been there a few times, yeah. - Yeah, it's a weird ass city. So it's kind of an urban jungle, but. - It is a hard, but like that place is rough. But super cool park, super cool race. - Yeah. And Tyler Keenan got sub four hours for first place. Three hours, 58 minutes. Chad Comer, second, four hours, 34. 15 banko, four hours, 44 for third place. Male. Amanda Ford first, five hours, 14. Eighth overall. And then for the females, and Amanda Debevick, five hours, 25 minutes, second female, 11th overall. And Addison's summer, third place female, 15th overall, five hours, 42 minutes. Try and see if there's any other names that I recognize in there. But not really. - Yeah. - I guess we're getting all, oh, Ron Ross, let's see. - No way. - Yeah, 38th place. - Of course, 38th place. Probably how to, oh, oh, shit, right dude, right there. 37th, Michael Kazar. - Yeah, that's the dude. - That's the dude from the superior picture. - Well, he did do Burning River. Holy crap. He did Burning River in 14 hours and 37 minutes. - Dude, he is a bad dude. Like try to get good at his-- - Dude, he's in his 60s. - Yeah. I'm super curious if that's the same, Michael. If you go to his ultra signup, it is stacked. Michael Kazar is a bad Bama Jama. - Yeah. - That's weird. You're like, oh, let's see if we do anyone else. It's like, sure enough. Who do we know the two old dudes at the back of the pack? I got you, right? - I'm gonna go to ultra signup. - Yeah. - Let's see, participants, Michael Kazar. But just to talk about how old school and how small this race is, they have 39 finishers. Like, that's it. You know what I'm saying? - Yeah, oh, he did Michael Kazar did World's End. 10 hours and eight minutes, dude. - Yep. - 10 hours and eight minutes. He's in his 60s, he is fast. - Hell, dude, here's how you also know he's fast. You know who one of his best buddies is? Mark Carroll, Kim and Mark Carroll, Kim and Mark Carroll are piecing a pod. - Yeah, that makes sense. - You know, these two old ass goats have been running altars together for decades and they used to probably race each other and we're doing, you know, a hundred milers in like 18 hours and 19 hours of bullshit I got, you know what I mean? - Right. - Like they're just both like badasses. - Right. So if you look at his, if you look at his 50 K times, they're like eight and a half hours, which maybe he like hikes it or he runs with somebody, you know? - Yeah. - I don't know. But like if you look at his 100 mile and 100 K times, he's like out there crushing. Yeah, burning, that burning river was 30 hours. Why did I see burning river in 14 hours? - I bet it's a 50 mile or burning river. - Wow, that could be. - Oh, world's in 50 K, 10 hours. - Yeah. - All right. (laughing) - He is legitimately a, like stack up all the races he has. Like if you stack up all the races he has, he is just, he is. - 106. - Yeah. And dude, 60 years old and still hammering. - Yeah. - Listen, I just won that pass to 60. I'm down. I'm all down. - Hell yeah. - Aspirations. - Oh, but yeah, him and Marcaro go way back in a day. - Yeah, he's been running. He has all just signed up races back to 2007, bucket trail 50 K and burning river back then too. - I just see like our age. - Yeah, as you were scrolling through it real fast, I did not see a superior. So maybe that's not him. Maybe that wasn't him on that picture. - Yeah, maybe not. - But man, it looks just like him. Now what's there's a picture where you can see this guy hit it? - Dude, you remember this race? Bill's bad ass 50 K. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's the OG, that's it. I think that was 2018. That's the run of a scissors, one of the OG run with scissors, I think. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah. - The memories. - Yeah. Anywho, good old Michael Kuzar. That's what it is. - Okay, so you had mentioned about people, not somebody not having the day that they wanted and not finishing. That happened, so tour de jaunts, which is like one of the hardest races out there. And I think we'll go over tour de jaunts in the next episode because it's still going on. It's in, it's in like Italy, I think. It's over by where UTMB is kind of, but it's like 250 miles, maybe, and some crazy like 80,000, 90,000 feet of climbing. It's just, it's insane, like 80,000 feet of climbing. I don't know, we'll get into it in the next episode, but John Kelly has been obsessed with podium, getting a podium finish at tour, and it just hasn't happened to him. And he was crushing it. According to him, what do you say? For close to 18 hours, he felt unstoppable, nailed his plan splits, running at the front, eating while weather was perfect. It felt effortless and fun. And then suddenly in a pre-dawn hour, he couldn't stay awake, stumbling around, should not be a problem for the second night, or that should be a problem for the second night, not the first, strong cold wind picked up. He couldn't safely stop and rest, unless he broke out emergency blankets, focusing on staying awake, neglected to eat and hydrate. Yeah, so he ended up, or he continued for nearly 20 hours, trying to turn things around, you know? But yeah, it just wasn't his day. He said he would give up one of his Barkley finishes for a podium finish at Tour de John's. - Damn. - That's, yeah. So there are the Tour de John's, it isn't Italy, you were correct about that. And what's kind of wild about it is, they have five different races. They have a 330, a 450, a 130, a 130. Those are all kilometers. So allowing me to repeat that, that's 450 kilometers, right? Which breaks down to like 145 miles, I believe, ish, I think. - You say 450? - Yeah, 450 kilometers, I think it's like 145 miles. - That's, oh, that's like, well, double that. 280, 280 miles. - 450 kilometers. And then when I divide it by 3.1, yeah? No, no, no, I guess not. - It's 200 and almost 280 miles. - Yeah, so. - And yeah, it's, it looks, I mean, if you look at the pictures of Tour-- - Oh, dude, yeah. - It's insane. - Yeah. - Like, actually, I think, Jeff Peltier in Canada, he has a great video of Tour de John. It's on YouTube. Look it up, watch that video 'cause the scenery at that race is just incredible. I would love to do that race someday, but-- - Well, listen. - That's like a major effort. - But listen, here's what we could do. We don't have to do the 330 or 450. I just wanna present this ideal to you, all right? Hear me out on this. My birthday, right? My birthday is September 15th, all right? - Well, happy birthday early. - Well, well, I mean, this race always starts right around the 11th, the 13th, around and there, right? - Yeah. - Maybe next year, we just go to Italy. You know, you ingest me in gin, we go to Italy, we run a little run, we have a little birthday fun. - Just would love that. - Ah, I'm sure Jim would love that. - Yeah. - And like, there's a part of me that if I did that, right? There's a part of me that would even just say, you know what, fuck it, I'll run the 30K. I just wanna run the race just to say I did it in Italy. And so there's a part of me that would even just run the 30K, but I, you know what I mean, like, I don't know. - There's, so in the 30K, there's like over 6,500 feet of climbing. - I know it's absolutely insane. - Bonkers, eight hour time limit. - Designed for-- - It finishes in core my air. - Yeah, I love the fact that a, this is on the 30K, by the way, a race through extraordinary landscapes, a 30K race on technical trails through unparalleled landscapes, designed for specialist, but open to anyone who wants to experience the allure of mountain racing. (laughing) - Designed for specialist. What does that mean? - I love the idea of like, where they let people know this is really for specialist, but also, hey, if you're a complete fucking moron, come and do it, you know what I mean? (laughing) - I just love it. - Like, if you look at this picture, there's snow around, so I'm guessing there's whale F up there and people are bundled up. - Yeah. - Oh, look at that sky though, holy shit. - Why does that dude just pissed on the trail like that though? - Is that? - Look, tell me it does not look like they're pissed on the trail right there. - It does look like it, but-- (laughing) - That's awesome. (laughing) - Yeah, but that's-- - Yeah, this would be absolutely magical. - Yeah, I'm guessing there's some scrambling involved. - Oh, dude. - Wow. - The last picture on the 30K slide deck that I just looked at is no bueno. Like, there is a picture on the 30K one that I just went to and I'm like, I can't even wrap my head around. Are you on the 30K slide? - Yeah. - Oh, that's weird. I think our picture are different. - Oh, maybe. - Yeah, that is, yeah, we have different pictures. That's kind of interesting. - That is interesting. - Anywho, put me in front of you. - We'll go over the results on next week. Next week's probably gonna be an early release if you can do it. (laughing) We'll talk about that later. - Yeah. - All right, so don't have too much more. I do want to say that Davy Krakett from Ultra Running History posted on Facebook that there was a new men's six day record and it still has to be ratified and everything else, but let me see if I can share this. I know. Okay, here it is. Some of my work computers, so I couldn't pull up the website. Okay, Matthew Bond of Belgium, who set a new men's six day record. He's from Hungary and the amount of miles he went, six days of 650.1 on an 8.9 or 8, 898.88 meter loop road course. As always, records are later ratified by organizations. They wish to give them formal recognition. Both the men's and women's six day world records were broken this month. Yeah, 'cause Rex Stein, or Stein Rex, sorry. Stein Rex broke Camille Heron's female six day record earlier this month. Or maybe, yeah, was it this month? Maybe it was. And so this men's six day record was last set in 2005 by the legend, Yannes Keros. I mean, that guy is an absolute legend. Yeah. Of like long, long races. We'll maybe talk about him someday, but yeah. So anyways, 2005, Yannes Keros did 644 miles, and then just this last weekend, Matthew Bond from Hungary did 650 miles, so he beat it by 0.1. So he beat it by almost six miles. Pretty impressive. Okay. Let's see here. Oh. Tara Dower, I looked at her tracker. Looks like she's almost through Virginia. Yeah, I'm trying to track her. I've been following more on Instagram, but yeah, it looks like she's cruising right along. - Yep. So I'm gonna pull up this screen. Right here. And add that. Okay. So yeah, she's near Blann, Virginia, like just east of the New River Valley or just west of the New River Valley, southwest of Blacksburg, Virginia, closing in on, what's the next day? Tennessee, I think. - Mm-hmm. - Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia, I believe. - Um, yeah, Tennessee, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia. So, and actually, I just saw that Mike Wardian, he was just finishing up Virginia too. So I think, I don't know if she's caught him yet, but it's gotta be close. - Yeah. - Uh, so let's see something. Okay. Yeah, yeah, I've acknowledged. So, oops. Virginia. Do they hit, like? They must just scrape Tennessee, right? - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, well, you go through the Smokies, I think. Well, Smokies is in Tennessee and-- - In North Carolina. - I literally think that you run on the border, oddly enough, like I think you're running on the border of North Carolina and Tennessee. - Well, yeah, so, yeah, it does, yeah, it goes right through the hardest of the Smoky Mountain National Park. - So she is, where was the last check team you said you saw her at? - Yeah, it was like southwest of Blacksburg. - Okay, and I feel like that's up Northern Virginia, 'cause I saw a post from Michael, where he's down around Roanoke. - So, I think she has like the state of Virginia between her and him. - Roanoke? - Yeah. And Roanoke-- - I thought he was through there already. - Maybe not. - I feel like, I feel like I just saw him pose something too. - Oh, here's Roanoke. - Yeah. - So she's passed Roanoke. I think, yeah, I don't know. I didn't have time to research it before the show, but-- - Yeah, so one day ago, this actually the post I saw, give me a second, I'll catch up to it. - Georgia. - Yeah, Mike is far enough south, that he only has three states to go. He's down in Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia. It's not halfway through the 80, personal terms. - Yeah, and I think she's right there too, I think. She'll be finishing up Virginia pretty soon, I think. So, she's cooking. I wish we had more information on where she's at compared to the FKT. 'Cause they don't, the ChumpChange website doesn't really-- - Here we go. - ChumpChangeFKT doesn't really tell us much. - So, here's what I found, yesterday, two days ago, two days ago, so I don't know if that's yesterday or two days, I don't know how you defined two days ago. Two days ago, Mike was up on the Kathy Knob, which is around the Cataba Mountains. And that is 15 miles northwest of downtown Roanoke. - Okay. - So, that's where he was, two days ago, 15 miles. So, you gotta assume in two days he's gone, probably 100 miles, ish, I guess. - Yeah. - So, he's probably 100 miles beyond up in that area. So, I'm sure he's, like you said, he's a 100% pass Roanoke. - Oh, I see, okay, I see Roanoke. - Yeah. Oh, wait, and do you say, yeah, so he's passed that, he's probably, you know, he's probably-- - You know what, there's Blacksburg, and she's passed Blacksburg, I'm starting to wonder if she passed them. How would they not have made a bigger deal about that, though? How would that not have got, like, why would, like, you would think that, like-- - Yeah, they would have did a video, yeah. - I would think that Mike would have recognized that, like, she just went blowing by him. I would, you know what I mean, like, I would-- - No, he knows, they know each other are out there, but he could have been like, sleeping or taking a break, if she could have went by, you know. - I just feel like, if they would have passed each other, they definitely would have done something. So I don't know if she's caught him quite yet. - Yeah, it's probably close. I think they're in the same area, so. - I bet it happens, I bet it happens before this weekend. She catches up to him. - Yeah. - And now this might be me reading this a little too far into this. This might be me being a little paranoid, but on day 30, oh, dude, we are effing idiots, golly days, sometimes if you just slow down and actually effing read. One day ago, right? One day ago, click on the most recent post. - Like, so I'm not logged in, I can't push in, pull it up. - That post, that post was marked, McCaffney Knob, Appalachian Trail. - One day go? - One day go, he was there two days ago. - See, yeah, there. - So she's going to catch him in the next day or two. - Okay. - And when she does, ladies and gentlemen, we will talk about it. (laughing) - Yes, hopefully when we record early next week. - Yeah, and I might not be able to hold by excitement. I will definitely post about it on Instagram and threads and Facebook, so which we have all of those. We're starting to get more and more people participating on the old Facebook, which is kind of a nice, kind of fun chit-chatting with folks here I got. - So, yeah, and actually there was that one post on the ultra running history that you had made about the longer standing records of elite races. And we're gonna have to talk about that in the next episode when I have my other computer back. 'Cause there was some really interesting, really interesting records on there that I want to talk about, so. - Cool. - All right, do you have anything else? - I don't, I don't, time to wrap it on up. - All right, I'm just gonna play some random, one of my random songs here. I don't even know what to do with this song. - Let's see who takes us out. Let's see who takes us out. - A little intense for the end. - There you go, there you go. - It's all good. All right, well, thanks everybody for listening. See you on the next one. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)