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Welcome to Drinking Bros, presented by GoSpent.com. Sit back, relax and grab a fucking drink. Welcome to Drinking Bros, here on 9/11 with our good friend Rob O'Neill, who obviously killed Osama Bin Laden, his brother Tommy, Anthony D'Anthony Holloway is here. Appreciate you guys coming out to Dallas today. Thanks again for having us. Thank you. Obviously great to be here. Yeah. Fantastic. Yeah. Let's start with this. Do you remember where you were? Rob on 9/11? Yeah, I actually was. I was a SEAL Team 2. We were at Naval Special Warfare Unit 2 in Germany. We just finished a 40-day deployment to Kosovo, which we thought was the greatest shit around. Because pre-9/11 there was not going to be a war whenever we're fighting in, so anything in Bosnia, Kosovo, anything, that's kind of what you're doing. And I went back there. We were kind of getting our gear done and it was a Tuesday morning, sending emails out to people and all of a sudden the tower got hit. And we're sitting in an operations station and someone said, "Wow, apparently a small plane just hit one of the towers of the World Trade Center." And we were all looking at it like, "Well, that's a pretty big hole. It's a huge building." And we're trying to decide what happened in the second plane here. It's obvious. It's like, "Well, we're under attack now." So everything we thought was important before now just is not. Now this is a, turn the page, no world. Interestingly, not too far away from you at a damn neck. I think the New York City SWAT Team, like a bit of contention of what we're down there training with DevGrue at the time, like literally that morning they were in their training. You're kidding. No. So there's this story. I don't remember who the commander was. It was Red Team. I don't remember who the commander was at the time. I mean, it's 2001 who the fuck knows, but on the way out, they're all pissed off, obviously. Like New York SWAT is leaking out of there and there's some exchange between the lieutenant, I think the commander of the SWAT team and the commander of Red Team and he was like, "You guys go find them and we'll go fucking kill them," something like that. Oh, yeah. That's for starters. I don't know. Yeah. And as a civilian member of Washington on television, I was in Los Angeles and I thought the same thing. I thought it was a small plane, like a Cessna, maybe, that had kind of gotten loose because you see that neighborhoods and things like that. My old company commander's dad, Wilcanum, my old company commander, his dad, who was the commander of that Air Force Base in Carson, near Carson, crashed a plane into a residential community in New York, like his engine is fucking killing. It was like it was one of those, like a six-seater or some small plane like that. It happens all the time. Yeah, it happens all the time and that's what we thought it was and it happened a couple of times in Florida and Georgia. Usually, it's into like the side of a house or a neighborhood or some shit like that, not the fucking world trade center. But you always wondered if it was possible. Well, the Empire State Building had been hit before. A bomber had hit that. Oh, the World Trade Center, yeah, in 1993, somebody blew up a van, tried to blow up a van. It happened too. But I'm just saying, planes have hit buildings before. Yeah. I wasn't thinking about the time, though. Well, there's a reason they got those blink and red lights on them, right? Absolutely. That's why. Because sometimes it happens on accident. Yeah, and then the second one hit and then we were like, "Okay, this is a definite terrorist attack." Now, once is a coincidence, twice is a pattern, I think they say, right? Yeah, and watching it unfold on television and then being in Los Angeles, the information on television, especially on our local news in Los Angeles, was so out of whack, where the flights were coming here, they didn't know if planes were going to land in Los Angeles. And then they grounded everything, right? Right. But there were still some flights in the air, and then obviously, Flight 93, in Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, when they were starting to send messages of people that, "Hey, there's hijackers on these planes," whatever, and that's one of the things that always inspired me, too, was the Americans on that flight were kind of giving them messages from, because the terrorists were taunting them, like, "Hey, guess what we're doing? Here's whatever." And you can fight now, if you want, and that was what Flight 93 did. The men and women, they're just stood up and tried to find whatever weapons they could, which could have been boiling water or the drink cart or whatever they could find. And they were down one guy, so there was, I think, four, three terrorists on that bird or whatever. And it was just time to, like, it's time now. And that's like, it's a crazy thing to think about that. That's one of your moments of time. It doesn't matter why we're here, we just are, and you can die, or you can fight and die. Yeah. And that's what they did. Yeah. And it was incredible. For you personally, since you were overseas, how long until you were brought somewhere else and kind of briefed on what was going on and potentially maybe what you had to do? We came back home after that to Virginia Beach, and we weren't quite sure what we didn't know. We knew the world changed, but we weren't sure what the hell we were going to do. Because I was at SEAL Team 2 at the time, and I was going to SEAL Team 6. But right then, what SEAL Team 6 was a counter-terror team, but there was no dare to counter. Now it's like, well, do they need me earlier? We don't know what's what. And even going back to SEAL Team 2, and I had to do one or two more years there to get ready to go to SEAL Team 6, is one of the first times in February of '03 where someone came up to me. I was an air operations pack and a reserve parachute. I'll never forget. And that's the first time. My friends actually said, "Hey, did you know Neil Roberts?" And getting asked, "Did you know?" It messed with my head. Like, why would you say, "Did I know?" "Yeah, yeah, I know what happened." Well, Neil Roberts fell off the bird, and that's when Red Team was in his fight with Al-Qaeda, and they're on a mountain, an operation on a condom, and a range is going away, and an army goes in, seals are fighting. And that was a legit moment where not only is it really hard, because I knew Neil Roberts, he was one of the first guys in the SEAL Team 2. He brought me to Arby's for lunch one day, and as a new guy, he didn't need to do that. But one of the finest guys I've ever met in my life that did you know he got a really bad fight. I'm not going to talk about what they did to him when they caught him, but then it's like, "Yeah, this is a real war." And it's almost where you see, like, dudes as opposed to wanting to be a Navy SEAL, because chicks dig it to now, I'm going to go fuck people off. Who's coming with me type? Again, turning the page of life from, "I want to be a SEAL or a Marine because of sound school, okay, now someone needs to go fight these savages, and I'm going to be the guy." Yeah. And then for you, Dan, was 9/11 a big moment to get you to go to the military? Yeah. I mean, I was considering it before. I was in college for the second time, but I was going to go into the military either way. I knew that in high school, but I definitely moved my plans forward a little bit, I would say that. Yeah, for sure. And then Tommy, with you, obviously your brother's overseas, all this is going down, one would imagine as a family member, you probably call your brother first, you want to get a hold of him. That's funny because I was doing some afternoon radio, and I was working nights at the poker dealer, so I was asleep late that day, and the notification I got was from Rob a phone call overseas, which I remember the first, he said, "Turn on the TV, any channel," and just thinking, "What in the hell's going on?" And then at that time, not realizing what was happening, how many planes are up there, what's my brother doing, what's, you know, it was just such chaos. It was. Yeah. That's what I remember most about that day. It's just chaos, not only from everything that was going on in the ground, but everything else in the United States, because nobody knew how to react. No, I remember thinking of the movie executive decision with Kurt Russell, where they had the VX gas or whatever headed towards the East Coast. I was thinking, "What's, you know, we're over here, when's that going to hit?" Yeah. It could be anything, you know, and it was just awful. Yeah. It was absolutely awful, and then watching the rest of it unfold, you know, I think we've talked about this on the show before, but 9/12 was probably the most peaceful day in America where there was no politics, there was no nothing, everybody got along. If you were working at a bar or a restaurant, because a lot of people were huddled there, getting food or just having drinks with one another, consoling one another, you know, you often wish you could actually go back as a country to that day, especially after debates last night, that were so contentious. Yeah. There was unity. There was a feeling of we are all together in this, we're one, and that's, you know, that's gone. Yeah. Yeah. It's gone. Oddly enough, we should have instead of getting mad at Afghanistan or the Taliban, we should have marched on DC, right, because that's where it came from, you know, and whether through complicity or incompetence, one of the two, you know what I mean? We didn't know that at the time, obviously. We didn't know that like 60 members of the Bin Laden family were ushered out of the country. We didn't know that we knew already that a member of the Saudi royal family had financed all that shit, right? By the third day, we knew that, right? And they obviously did that truth until the middle of 2010s. So it's, yeah, it's weird. I mean, I think that's where it broke down. Warriors need nothing but a reason and a pat on the back. That's all because we're born to fuck shit up. That's just the way it is. So all you really need is a good cause. And then once you're done, it's like, good job, bud. And that'll be the end of it, right? Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way. We get to send on fools errands a lot, which is unfortunate because we were the aggrieved party here. Like we should have fucked some people up. We just sent us on kind of a silly fools errand. And I think that's one of the biggest, if not causes, amplifiers of post-traumatic stress for people. Because one of the ways you deal with it is by like, all right, everything that happened there was for a reason. Nobody believes that about Iraq or Afghanistan, especially after August of 2021, right? Like just pulling out of there, like it didn't mean shit that whole time. Yeah. It's useless in life, just know that we spent four presidents and $8 trillion to exchange the Taliban for the Taliban, right? Right. I mean, what the fuck? So yeah, it's difficult to come to terms with that shit now, frankly. It is. And I think some of those files are still sealed, right? At the White House regarding 9/11? Dan. Yeah, it's all sealed. Yeah, they'll know that. Yeah, I think everything's sealed too. That's part of the reason that they're going to try to assassinate Donald Trump again is because he's the second term. He will be a second term president. And the powers that be the lawmakers whom ever are in there right now, they realize that the will's deadly. Because he went in there first with the locker up, locker up type stuff. But once he got in power, he thought he could play nice because he's not a DC cockroach. He's a businessman. He thought it could be good to him. And Washington, you see, has fangs and they will come at you and your family with it. And now the reason they're going harder and harder is because he will pull the wool over and tell everyone what's actually happening in there. It's just because it's the same names that have always been evolved. It's the Clintons. It's the Bush's. It's the Gore's. It's the same people that are there. And now they're just there. Even last night, I'm trying not to get as angry as we were last night, but it's like the whole, we just hope and change. Like, what the fuck have you been in charge the whole time? Right. The biggest threat that Trump poses releasing some of that information is that very good chance that a global peace breaks out because of it. And here's what I mean by that. When you rip the bandaid off and expose everything for what it is, then you can start killing the cockroaches. You know what I mean? The Bush family, not literally killing them, obviously. The Bush family, the Cheney family, the Clintons, all these people need to be just sent away. Put them on that Epstein Island. They like to go to and then put a big fucking blockade around it, enable blockade around it. You live there now. You don't get to come over here anymore. No phones. Here's a coconut fuck face, but to the broader geopolitical spectrum, it would give MBS the power to root these Wahhabis cunts out of the Saudi royal family. They're still around. He's been, I've talked about this for a year now. He's been trying to drag that country, kicking and screaming Saudi Arabia. That is into modernity, trying everything you can with the sports wash and would live with soccer, all that shit with the Abraham Accords that they said that they would participate in to shooting rockets down that are heading for Israel, right? All these things have happened under MBS. And the problem that he had, the major problem that he has right now is all the Wahhabis left in his family, like his literal family, right? Giving, exposing all that information and saying exactly who it was, MBS will kill those people immediately. He'll kill them immediately, not even that he disagreed that they were involved in 9/11, just because to save face, it's a machismo culture. It's the way they operate. You embarrass the family, you die. It's the way it works. And now all these Wahhabis who prop up with money, the 82% of primary education facilities in Saudi Arabia that are Madrasas, that is to say, death to America, go away. And they become a normal country, right? Just like Bahrain, just like UAE, become a normal country, Kuwait, and so on. And then it's only Iran. It's only Iran that'll fund terrorism after that. There'll be the only ones left, and Trump already broke them once. We'll just do that again. He'll do it again. And these people will fucking go away. Like there won't be any money left for terrorism after that. You understand? Like, that is a big threat to Boeing and Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics and Northrop Grumman and Texas Instruments. It's a huge threat to these people. So they'll kill Trump if they have to. Well, they were close a few months ago, and we'll see what happens. If he does go back in office and releases these files, will that give closure to anybody who is in the military or their families or who lost loved ones if we actually knew who who did it? That would be just the beginning, right? Like, if we find out what we all know anyways, the Dick Cheney was the architect of all this stuff, that he knew that it was coming and let it happen, then he's got to die, right? Yeah, but I think the way you're-- I agree with you a hundred percent, Danche, but he's got to die, meaning he needs to be a hell of a counter one. Correct. He needs to be-- And honk. He needs to be on television. I'm not shooting so much. No mob justice. He needs to be on television. But one of the things, too, with the founding fathers, you betrayed the country, then you get executed. Yes. And he's one of those people, one of those families, and he can see the way they're responding right now. Again, not trying to get completely pissed off or whatever, but it's so sick at my age right now, seeing what happened, how they manipulated for personal gain. And even to the point where when we look around and people are saying, like, well, the Republican party, the Chinese and whatever, and they are against Trump, it's like-- and then they call us traitors because of whatever-- like yesterday, Kamala Harris said that January 6 was worse than 9/11, the day before 9/11. Right. That's messed up. Yeah. Not even close. And I don't give a shit about the people who are conspiracy, there's whatever-- grown men and women jumped out of those towers. Something really happened. That's a real threat, and in regards to why it happened, it's a national tragedy. Yeah. And that needs to be remembered. And not just for a couple of families who are going to get rich and then start different wars to get richer and richer. When did you guys find out that it was Osama bin Laden? Obviously, as a civilian, we're watching it on TV later on in the future. We weren't aware of it, but I'm sure you guys knew pretty quickly. March of 2001, when we were already talking about Osama bin Laden getting ready to conduct an attack inside the United States, he had just done USS Cole in January of 2000, right? His team had already fucking driven a boat into the USS Cole and blown it up. We knew he was planning on doing this. He was involved in the fucking 1993 World Trade Center bombing as well, right? It was just a matter of time. So as soon as the fucking-- as soon as they were like the second plane hit, my brain's like, oh, it's fucking al Qaeda, for sure. He declared a file on that. Anybody that was paying any attention immediately knew that it was al Qaeda. I was talking to Tommy even going back home to Butte, Montana, and I was explaining to you who al Qaeda was and what they were trying to do and whatever. I remember with the club 13 in Butte, Montana, and I was explaining to people. I was at the big club there in Butte, Montana. It's a nice club. No, but I remember sitting there, we remember a BS about it, and I said, yeah, there's a guy Osama bin Laden al Qaeda that wants to attack us, whatever. And we're bullshit with our friends. They're like, yeah, well, you're just racist. You're just doing whatever. That's when I called you on 9/11, and I said, turn on the TV, and you said, which channel? It doesn't matter. Welcome to my world. Yeah. You know who the real racists were, by the way? People who couldn't tell, like that dude in Milwaukee that shot up that Sikh temple, like really, you can't tell it, like they, it's, I understand they're all brown, bud. I get it, but the ones who wrapped their long ass hair up, not a problem. They're pretty, pretty nice. They're awesome, dude. They'll be good in your couch, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they won't kill them at least. Yeah. They'll worship them. They might kill the geese. Yeah, the geese. I don't know why the geese aren't saying. Yeah. Yeah. But for us, I'm in college. There's no social media. There's no nothing. So, you know, it's not like today's world, we have Twitter, Facebook, all that other stuff, and then you, somebody's picture is plastered everywhere. Unless you follow the news, and unless you followed politics, you know, every single day and hard copy, because let's not forget, digital didn't exist during these. We didn't know it was Osama bin Laden until finally, boom, they slapped it up on TV. This is the guy. This is public enemy number one. Well, the FBI knew two weeks in advance, an FBI field agent in the Phoenix Field Office filed a report. That's what I heard. That's specifically said Osama bin Laden is going to fly planes into buildings, right? That's a real thing. And is that released to the public? Yeah, and the 9/11 Commission, yeah, the review, it's like, yeah, we knew all this stuff. We just didn't, the intelligence community and department of justice didn't operate together well enough for the information to find, it's like, okay, if you file a white paper that it's a critical alert, that's a level one alert, anybody with eyeballs that's important should have seen it. So I don't buy that shit. You know what I mean? If you've got double source information, which is interesting because DevGrue has these straps. They have a whole intel team that fucking do their targeting package and shit, right? It's true for most groups like that. Same thing for the US intelligence community here, domestically, they provide that stuff to the DOJ all the time. The information we used to go into Iraq was from a single source named Curveball, which wasn't even a real person. They made it up as a source, it got made up as a source back in the day as like a fake source to attribute some shit to, I think it was to trick somebody somewhere, not inside of our own country, but like another agent. And then they started using this guy as a source for what WMD in Iraq, but it was never even a real person. You know what I'm saying? Interesting. Right? That's single source information. That's why you never use single source information. You never use it. Like you don't send these guys on fucking on matte black black hawks with fucking mufflers on the wings or whatever on the road is rather into a place you don't know exactly who's there. Right? Yeah. That's why they're so good at what they do. They show up and they know exactly what's happening. Most of the time, shit like war is fucked up, but that's why you can fucking, you can build what's effectively a stage and run rehearsals through it for two or three days and then go fucking do the exact same thing and murder everybody in that building, right? That's the way it's supposed to be done, but you would never send anybody to a thing like that. Like, hey, fucking Jeremy's dad said there's going to be three alcutta dudes there. Right? Right. You know what I mean? So let's spend literally $20 million sending dev grew. No. Yeah. That's not how it works. Just 150,000 soldiers into Iraq based on one fake single source. That's it. That's wild. And the receipts we have from selling them the goddamn weapons in the first place, I guess, but... Well, I want to go over, there was this rumor that two years later, I mean, and you guys were in at this point, that they knew where he was. They knew the mountain range that he was in and everything else and they potentially could have sent bombs in there or groups in there to kill him and didn't. Is that true? Yes. Yeah. I mean, he was pinned in. Right. Yeah, they... Well, could you got to figure there's a lot more to the story than people realize? And if you don't think that the ISI Pakistani intelligence was involved, you're wrong. Well, there's two halves of the ISI, right? Well, yeah, yeah. The United States, few of them. The United States funds the ISI is Pakistani intelligence, like our CIA, I guess, but it's more... It's kind of like a combination of our CIA and our state department, to be honest, which is probably the same here, to be honest, as they operate the same. But half... Maybe not even half, but part of them just hate India and they'll work with anybody to fuck up India. Literally. Like, they don't give a shit about any of that stuff. They hate India. Well, that's one of the reasons we knew we were safe coming in that direction. Yeah. Because we're Afghanistan on this side of India, on this side, but they're not watching over here. They're not waiting on India. Yeah. They hate India. They hate it. It's... Yeah. Then there's the other part who are just all fucking terrorists. And I don't know if it's just because of the money. We fund the... the ISI budget, we fund the entire thing, the entire Pakistani military, their entire intelligence community. We fund the whole thing. So what would have been possible to get him two years in? No. Okay. No, because they wouldn't have given him two years. No. And they didn't want us to get him in 2011. We didn't even tell him we were coming in. Yeah. I mean, there were five options before we went in to get bin Laden, and two of them were unilateral with us, multilateral with Pakistan. And as soon as they told the operas on their ground, yeah, well, one option is a multilateral with the Pakistan is like, go fuck yourself. Yeah. When the guys living in a compound, what was it? Like a mile and a half down the road from their version of West Point? It's like, no, we will not tell them. And the way the ISI works, which is their version of the CIA, is it's almost like if you could picture a cog in a wheel turning one way against another one, turning another one another, and then there's a packed mill. So a lot of them have interest. If you go to that part of the world, Pakistan is the center of the universe over there. They run everything. They own everything. So they have interest in keeping al Qaeda at bay. So yeah, we know bin Laden's here. We're not going to give them to the Americans because we have nukes and we don't want al Qaeda overtaking it. So yes, they were watching out for him, looking out for him. And the reason guys like, not me, but guys are in charge of teams like mine, smart us to know, well, we can't tell Pakistan where to come kill bin Laden because you're going to disagree with it. You're going to take them out of there, whatever. So there is so much, so much more underneath the surface than what you think is happening on the surface. But Pakistan 1000% new bin Laden was there and we couldn't tell him we're going to come get him. And part of our thing too is if and when we go in there and get captured, we need you to know that we were going to come get him in the first place. So now you need to do like, there's so much going on behind the scenes. And it's not just a bunch of knuckle draggers like me and Dan. It's all these, not, not smart, but well, tie wearing nerds, nerds. Yeah, nerds. Gotcha. Because, you know, as the public, we've heard this story for years that, all right, we knew where he was, you know, two years in. And then why do you, why do you do something? And you guys are saying you couldn't, essentially, and that you didn't actually know his exact location? No, we knew, we did. We could have. He was in the Torbora area. He was told by first, then he, then that's what we had heard. And then in the seven, he was somewhere else and they dropped some bombs. Yeah. We started the counter terrible shit where we started saying he's on dials, started saying he's in the mountains. So Al-Qaeda and his guys, his bodyguards would say, okay, look, the Americans are so stupid they're thinking he's on dialysis. And what he's actually here when we knew the truth. So it's like paying a source, okay, I gave 300 bucks to tell him where someone is. And they'll come and say, okay, here's, give me 300 bucks. I saw it, I've been lied. He was definitely him. He's on a dialysis machine where we would pay him still but say, hey, look, we know that's not him because he's not on dialysis, we fucking made that up. So it's a cat and mouse game the entire time. And if we did just kill him with a bomb, we just can't prove it. Which blows my mind too because now that we went and literally went and grabbed him after we killed him, then we allegedly bury him and see we can't prove that either. Yeah. And which obviously we'll get to that later on as we chatted about her on Sarah's show yesterday. Was there a decision on our behalf on the US government to not go in there and do it because of that reason or something else that they wanted to extend the war? No, there was five options. That was it. They saw him walking outside so it's like we can send unilateral, multilateral, we can bomb the shit out of him. We can hit him with one little bomb or something else or like drive in or some bullshit. And none it, you know, the weirdest thing was that they said, as soon as we get done with it, they're going to bury him and see that that was, that was never not an option. So we were, but when we went to the Air Force about, we're going to go in there with Jay dance. We're going to hit him with like 35, 35, 2,000 pound bombs at once. We're going to kill so many people on the area, which, you know, politicians don't care about because it's still more money. But the compound was what 100, 200 feet away from other houses and shit like that. So not the best idea, like it would be, it would have been a lot harder. It would have been a lot harder for John Cena to go on stage and like we fucking got this dude if we had killed 200 fucking civilians as well. For sure. And that makes sense. That's true that we're technically friendly with, right? Right. Yeah. Oh, we sold them. They have 16s that we're chasing us down. We're leaving. Yeah. What are you going to do? Well, all that stuff. We didn't give them, we gave them some more stuff a little bit ago, too. Well, we didn't give them, not Pakistan. We didn't give them the look down, radars and everything, but the look that shoots that deal, we didn't do that. But we get them everything else. Well, but, and that help, that's one of the reasons I'm alive today is because as we're leaving, and all of a sudden the F16 show up and all of a sudden some, some Americans that have 15s show up with a call sign, dude, one, two or whatever, you might know, I will destroy you. Yeah. Yeah. And I might not even wake up doing it. Yeah. And for you, Rob, how long in until you get the call that's all right, we're going to send you out to, I'm assuming, Area 51 or whatever it is to train for something like this. It was, it was three weeks. We got, we got the call in about April of 2011. And we were all on different training trips. Like my team was down in, in South Beach, Miami on a dive trip. We had guys out in Nevada on a climbing trip. And you can kind of tell like, yes, you're diving, but you're in South Beach. Yes, you're climbing, but you're in Vegas. Because we just finished, I think it was my 13th combat deployment and we're just training on Somalia. There's a mothership out there that's looked, whatever, we're going to combat that. And all of a sudden we get a call that says, hey, we need the senior six guys here to come back to Virginia. And the guys from, the guys were in, in Vegas come out here, guys in, in Nevada come out here in Arizona. And then you go back in there and we just finished a combat deployment. So it didn't make sense, but they were like, yeah, this is not a drill, but come back here in the back room. And they, there was 28 of us, they brought into a room and said, um, this is not a drill. You're here because we found a thing, this thing is in a house and a bowl, this bolt in a country. And you're going to go into this bowl, into this house and get this thing and you're going to bring it back to us. Do they tell you what the thing is? And he asked what the thing was, he said, can't tell you cool. What country can't tell you, which bowl, which mountains can't tell you. How are we getting there? Can't tell you, um, how much air support do we have? None. Okay. So 28 of us are going to, I think it's a no 23. Some of you are alternates. And we have no, oh, here's one more answer, uh, no air force guys are going with you. It's all seals. So if you carry the radio before you're the radio, they could carry the medical shit. You're the medical guy. So there's 23 of us and no. So yeah, no straps at all. We hadn't. No, just us. No, you didn't. No, that's, that's odd. Yeah. And we thought. And so we started going through the thing like, well, you know, if, if we're worried about pounds and ounces for, um, fuel, what the fuck are we doing? We still like, it's got to be lived, got to be Libya. We're going to go to a flat top. We're going to fly off and offspring. Osprey and Osprey have shitty track records for crashing. So it's got to be an Osprey. We're going to get, we're going to get to Daffy. And we'd be down. So we're down there. This is right before the muslin, uh, the air spring. Right there. Like at the early part of it. And so we're, um, we're down there getting our gear ready and like dudes, like I was a red team and guys from Gold team and couple of, Hey man, what's, uh, what's going on? I'm like, I don't know. You could tell me what's going on. Like I literally have no idea. Yeah. What's that conversation like when you leave that room with your buddies, do you all huddle up and say, all right, does anybody have any, any guesses where we're going? What this is? Yeah. The guys that were in the room started talking about it. But again, the guys that weren't in the room were talking about it too. When we started making jokes, we made a team acronym up of, uh, like the true tier one of the tier one and we actually, we had some of our bosses, look, these are also tier one operators. Don't don't talk to them like that. I'm like, why we have no idea what we're doing here or not. Maybe they're not good enough. Why are you sending us? What the fuck are we doing? There was animosity the entire time. We knew there's going to be a really life changing mission. This, this, nothing is going to be the same after this. We just don't know what it is yet. Was it, was it true that certain people passed on the mission and said, it's true. Okay. When they, um, when they brought it up and, and we assumed it was Gaddafi, there was some guy, cause we just finished a combat deployment and we had another one coming up in a year. So guys are saying, okay, I've got to have that shoulder surgery. So I'm going to do that now. So I'm going to pull myself off. And the bosses would say, yeah, this is a volunteer mission. Nobody did. Okay. I'm going to pull myself off cause I'm running a trip and okay, I'm going to go down to green team and I'm going to be an instructor. So I'm going to be with my kids for another year. And these are guys legitimately pulling themselves off the bin lawn rate. Not knowing it's the bin lawn rate. And have you talked to them afterwards, did they regret it? They're very disgruntled. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Because I mean, imagine, because even when we finally found out this has been long, this we're going to do and we're going to die, um, the response of looking at your brothers is like, cool. We going now? Cause I, I mean, imagine knowing what it's going to be and then pulling yourself off. I couldn't live with myself. Like I'm, I'm going to go, I'm going to go tonight and I'm going to die with you. And that's why I joined there. There's what an ending man. That's wild. And do you think that haunts them? The rest of their lives? Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's no, the bin lawn rate was the best thing in the worst thing we ever did. Not just as Navy SEALs, but I think there's a lot of the tier one, um, special forces because it just, it just, it was, um, here's 23 of the best guys. And that's the best. The rest, you can go fuck yourselves. If you live, good job. If you don't, whatever. And even to the point where like, why didn't Delta Force go, I'm like, I don't know. And they're like, well, it's Delta Force. Not as good. Like I think they're better. I don't know. I don't know why I'm going. I don't know. But I'm fucking going for that particular kind of operation Delta you would think would be I would think you would think Delta would go. If there was some kind of I see like water, egress, ingress, no, that's just straight up land. Yeah. I mean, but an army pilots. Yeah. I think the only reason I've said this before in different ways and I'm trying, I'm not trying to get in trouble. I think the only reason they sent us at seal team six and not Delta is because we're going to kill and it's nothing against tactics. It's nothing against pilots. It's nothing against in and out. It's because we're going to fucking kill this dude because Delta just to me are just really good dudes and maybe they'll capture him. We're not going to. I mean, they captured it. Seal team six is going to fucking kill you. Yeah. And that was just probably why they sent Delta after Saddam to be honest instead of that. And I'm just trying to figure out I'm not trying to be a decade here and Delta forces the fucking best in saying I'm not trying to I'm just saying someone made a decision at some point why seal team six is going in and I would love to have heard that conversation. I would too because I'm sure it was wild like I mean, to be honest, there's probably only a couple of people in the room that would have even known the capability actual capabilities of these units. You know, it is. 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No, when you're, if you have female friends and they have that one girlfriend who can find anybody on the internet, that's one of them. Okay. They all work at the agency. When, because we were at a point where we were actually joke with each other about, about bin Laden. Legit, seal him, I was running out stations, seniorless advisor, all the bullshit. And for the point of going across border, finding bin Laden, but we knew he was a ghost. We knew he's not, he's not real anyway. He might be dead. I don't know. And they were starting running. So we're on these bases and they would roll in people called chiefs of base and then chiefs of station, which are CIA assets. But they, we got to this point of the war where someone from Peru or Chile needed to get advanced. So instead of, instead of being in Buenos Aires, they're going to send you to J bad and you're and whatever. And I remember running at the run working with CIA guys like the, there's no reason to make movies about you. You guys are horrible. You went to NCIS fucking suck. Then we met the bin Laden team. Okay, that's what the, that's the fucking CIA. Holy shit. And to the point where, when these women were explained to us, when they found it, because we first went into this room and they closed it or unlocked it, the commanding officers, seal team six came up and said, all right, gentlemen, for the first time, the reason you're here is the first time, this is as close as we've ever been to Osama bin Laden. And to hear him say Osama bin Laden and this woman Maya stood up and started, she was, I'm getting goosebumps right now, she started explaining to us about this place called a Bada Bad Pakistan, why it's called a Bada Bad, who was named after. And then she walked us into how she, she found him decades of tracking him. She was explaining us to a point of how we finally go, I believe you. I don't need to hear anymore. I'm ready. I'm ready to go. Now I've got a gun to sludge him. That's a smart. I am. And then we would train on this. They gave us tactical advantage of, okay, you guys come up with the best way to go, whatever. And we would train on the ship, talk about the ship train for hours and hours, all day long. And as soon as we got done working and we're going to go get four hours of sleep, she would come over and say, all right, gentlemen, Osama bin Laden is on the third floor of this house right now. I don't understand why we're not leaving. Have a good night. Get some sleep. See you tomorrow. Same thing the next day. And we train. And she was with us every single time. And she's like, he's right there. So that whole, like, right there from the zero dark 30 movie, which took some, as Hollywood does, took some liberties, right? One of the scenes over and over is her drawing the fucking number of days. I think that was the same thing. Yeah. Right. Like, yeah, this is how many days it's been since I found this asshole. Why is he still alive? Literally. He's right there. Yeah. That's from the, from other dudes who are on the raid, that's the one thing from the movie that they all agree actually happened, that she was a fucking asshole to all of her bosses until they fight with not, not that. And I don't mean that a negative win, that's her fucking job. She was determined. She was so good at that shit when, I think when Leanne Panetta asked her, like, sat her down and said, what else do you do for the agency? And she said, nothing. I do nothing else. I do this. Almost like, why aren't you listening to me? I saw her right before we left. Like, so we got a brief from Bill McCraven, saw through the earth got him, I'm walking out to the bird. Just call my dad. I'm wearing my shirt. I'm going to die. And I saw her. She was pacing. And I said, but why are you so nervous? She looked at me and goes, you fucking kidding me? Why aren't you nervous? Yeah. And I said, because I did this every night, I get on a helicopter. I fly somewhere. I fuck with some people. I come home. This is just a longer flight. Of course, you got to be right. See you in three hours. But in the movie, at least, and then, you know, the rumors you heard, it was kind of her obsession, her life's obsession. And rightfully so, it had to be somebody's obsession, if it wasn't her, do you think we would've ever got him? No. No. No. Absolutely not. No, he was. Or maybe there would have been another version of her, but without that person, whomever it happened to be, no, it doesn't happen. No. And she was neurotic. I mean, it took us 10 years. Yeah. But she was right for five years before that, like she's literally like, and looking back on it, do you think that's why she explained every single detail over the years to let you know? Yes. Hey, I'm this bitch. And I'm going to fucking. 100% right about every single person in every single room in that fucking house. Yeah. 100% right. By the way, most of in my experience, most of the people who are particularly good at that job, what she does, like targeting, creating targeting packages, I don't know. Maybe you've got had a different experience, but they're all women. Always. Oh yeah. Shannon Kent is the best probably that's ever done that job in the history of the US. Look at Sarah Carter. She's a fucking Maya. The greatest character. I mean, like everyone that we know, every targeted that we know in a couple of my friends that I know, all the women that I know they got to be women, because they just can't fucking let it go. Yeah. But for real, like I've got a couple of other friends that did that in the agency as well. All women. I've never met a dude. I know there are dudes who have done it, but all the ones that I know about, the ones that there are books and movies about are all women. Why are they so good at that? You just said it. They're fucking relentless, dude. But like dudes, dudes will get distracted a fucking hot girl in a scirdle walk by her like, oh fuck yeah, dude, when we when we when we showed her bin Laden's body, literally the point man and I walked it her over to his body and it's sinking in this historic. This is what and she fucking found him. She gave her for life. And then I got to think of something cool to say. And I'm putting all this pressure on myself because bin Laden is dead right here. We're in J bed. I walked her over to the body and I was like, okay, what do I say? This would be cool enough. I pointed down. I pointed down. I said, is that your guy? And all she said was, I guess I'm out of a fucking job and literally left and flew home. They didn't even fuck this guy. No way left. And have you talked to her? Yeah. I saw her one time. I was a Redskins fan before they creeped out got gay. You mean? Yeah. And I was in New York and I invited her because the Redskins just drafted RG3 and I was in New York. I'm going to a bar. I'm with my cousin, Cory, our cousin, Cory, and I said, hey, I invited her. I said, Maya's coming over. I said, my cousin, Cory, hey, this woman's coming. He's a tax attorney. Not important to this story. Don't say a fucking word about the mission. This is like two years after the mission. Don't say a word about it because here's the woman that, oh, here she comes shit. So I stood up. I gave her a kiss on the cheek and she sat down. She goes, does he fucking know? And I said, I said, he knows everything. Good. That's about anything. Shots. Really? Yeah. Just that's how cool she is. Like everyone knows fucking. And was she able to move on with her life? Because what do you do when you obsess about something for so long? Anything you want. And I've told people I'm never going to describe what she looks like. I won't say her name. But if you find her and you're hiring, hire her, you'll win. I don't give a shit what you're doing. She will make you win. That's wild. Because you always wonder if it's like an athlete, especially with you guys, if it's like an athlete, when you can't do it anymore. And you don't have that thing, that obsession, and it's gone, and then boom, you're back in the real world hanging out in New York at whatever restaurant you went to that night. And then how are you supposed to have a normal night just chilling out, having shots? Well, it's a little bit more, like when you're hitting a baseball or tackling people, sure you've missed the camaraderie quite a bit, I would imagine, right? And that's your identity as a human being. I'm sure it's tough. But when your job is to kick people's doors down and fuck them up, you know, there's no rec league for that that I can get like, I can't come. I can't. I'm going to go to the wide. It's Thursday. Yeah. It's like, it's like, I'm going to go fuck people's nights out tonight. There's just no version of that that you can do in sweatpants, unfortunately. They did that in case you leave basketball and be it's a little bit different. People get mugged a little bit, probably, but like there, it's just that's not a thing, dude. You know, so I remember and the time we talk about this all the time, but the time between me being on the street in Sauter City, Iraq and being on the street at Fort Bragg, North Carolina was three days. I was driving around in my car, like that's stupid. They should keep us on an island somewhere for like a month smoking weed or something drinking my ties, calming the fuck down. The difference between driving, yeah, between driving, I remember my first time coming back home and Emma was three and I'm driving from, from damn neck to home, but I've been living in J-bad and just driving now I'm home, a hundred miles me on the other side of the highway, just, you know, whatever and I remember my, you know, my wife said, what the fuck is wrong with it? I'm like, oh, hey, nothing wrong with me. You're safe. Yeah. So how do you associate yourself from coming back from a combat situation, Sauter City and then? Well, I said I was a Redskins fan. Oh, well done. Yeah, yeah. I think a lot of dudes get in trouble. Well, that's how, that's how you get in trouble. Yeah. That's mostly how you're getting trouble and if you, if you get in just enough trouble to wake you up and not so much that you fuck your life up, then that's a good thing. Right? Yeah. Because I'm driving home from work one day down Jadkin Road at Bragg and some dude cuts me off in traffic and I follow him into a parking lot of a fucking grocery store and pull him out of his window and slap the shit out of him and I'm like, oh boy, I better get out of here. Yeah, that does not fly in the real world. This is a white man. I can't do this shit. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, that's, I think it's like that for a bunch of dudes and most guys don't want a, they don't want to get in trouble. So what they do is abuse themselves, you know what I mean, they're not going to self-flagely. This isn't corporal mortification. We're not all Catholic, I guess. So we just drink and do drugs mostly. Sure. And we know what you guys do now, but what does Maya do now then? Drink and do. She's giving corporate jobs. You know what I honestly don't know, I, I was, I heard she moved to New York is working for somebody, but I don't know. And I, I can't get an answer, but like I said, if it, if it was listening to can hire her, hire her. Look at love. We're hiring and hard to sell to her. So if you want to pop on down Maya, we're looking for a CEO right now. And I understand too, if she does call, I do know her real name, but as promised, I'd never say it. And, and, and by the way, she doesn't look like Jessica Chastain, Justice Hotch looked different. Okay. Fair enough. That's, I think that's a fair way to describe her. And then Tommy, I wanted to have you on the show today because this is your brother. Yes. And it's one of those things where your brother killed the biggest terrorist in the world. When did you find out? It was, it was a couple of years after. I mean, I didn't tell you. I thought I called you right away like I called everyone else. It was, it was, it wasn't right away, but I mean, I, I was aware that you were on the mission, which was a story in itself, but you know, just coming back and finding out that you were the, you know, I mean, we were joking about it. It's like, I bet that little bitch was the one who pulled the fucking trick and there's no text message from you or a call saying, Hey, dude, I know you were on this team. Was it you? It was, it was after it was, it came around, but it didn't, it didn't come around and say, you know, I was, I was the, the man who pulled the trigger. I mean, I, I remember the, you know, just going back to the, on May when probably the longest hour of my life was when we, when Obama came, we knew that I remember watching the Celtics and I think it was the Miami Heat and the playoffs and I took my daughter to Fairmont and she was getting ready to get in change. It was a swimming place and the crawler on the TV came and said, uh, Tom Bin Laden has been killed and I mean, that was, I, I thought the, I didn't say anything about casualties about getting the American man stops that too, because we don't know how the Americans were killed. I knew you were there and I didn't, but they, and I, and it took, uh, we went to our grandmother's house to go back to Butte was probably about 90, another 90 minutes when Obama came on and, and then he took his damn sweet time and saying that no, yeah, he, yeah. No, because we're killed. Yeah. So I knew that I knew then that he was part of the mission, but I didn't know had, had did not know probably it's probably good a couple of years later until, uh, he said, yeah, I was one who was there and I, I, I pulled the trigger and what's that like his brother? Is there a sense of pride, a sense of shock and well, I mean, I, I hadn't, I wasn't shocked at all because I mean, I, I, I, he told me about some of the stuff he'd done. Prior to that. And I was amazed at what they did as a team and as a unit, but, uh, oh yeah, I went to find out that, that my little brother was a guy who shot the biggest terrorist in the world. Absolutely. I was proud. Cause then it lives with you the rest of your life. Oh yeah. And it's, and it's say that's my brother. Holy shit. That's crazy. Um, and it's something you got to live with. And I remember, uh, watching, I believe it was 60 minutes, um, there was another guy who was in a disguise kind of showing, uh, the, a model of the house and everything else. He had written a book, uh, he got around $10 million for it. Um, what was his name? Uh, he wrote the book out of the name, Mark Owen. Yes. Correct. And, and now, and again, my wife's going to business that you're talking about. I'm not going to say his name cause he doesn't want his name out there, but, um, Mark Owen was the guy that the character name they, they put on screen. Yeah. No, and his defense, like I said, my wife's going to kill me. Um, the guy was there on the mission and he was a stud operator. Um, he, he's misguided with what he said for some reason. But yeah, he wrote a book called, no, he's a dead, it was, uh, the Pentagon sued him back because it was a lie. Yeah. For the exact dollar amounts that he got nothing for it, essentially. Now to my recollection, because I read the book, he didn't say he shot in London. No, he said he shot in London and never said he killed the law. Correct. And I don't know how many guys shot in London. You're going to need, um, the government to release the autopsy. I killed him on, I shot him thrice in the face. If he was shot afterward, hey, here's what it is. I'm just, I, I can't, as somebody who's been in a number of gun fights. The, the argument over who shot, who, where in a room like that is just so fucking gay. And to me, I can't, I can't entertain it. I just can't. It happens to you every single day of your life, because I've been on our, on our network for years. Yeah. We've been friends for years in real life. There's probably one comment every fucking day about it that, oh, you're, he's a liar or, or whatever. Was this other guy or this other guy? What's your response to that? It doesn't matter. Um, the team, we agree, the team went in, like we, we, we agree that like, even if, even if I was just a guy at seal team six, that got picked to be on the ray, the top 23 guys in the fucking country world, then that's, I mean, who, who, that's not good enough? There's not another tier one. And I'm, I'm, I'm just saying, I'm telling what happened. I shoppin' on and kill them. It's, it's not like I've, I've never tried to say I was brave. I followed the appointment at the stairs. He was brave. I was like, let's get it over with. I'm, I'm going to go in this room. I'm going to blow up. Boom. I didn't. Now what? That's it. And, and, and the other shit is semantic. Sometimes I, I, uh, it, I, it entertains me because it doesn't, it really doesn't matter to me. I, I, I've just heard so many of these conversations, uh, from door kickers like, oh, I got him. No, it was me. I'm like, all right. Cool man. He's dead. It doesn't matter. Like I don't give a fuck about any of that stuff. I will not, I refuse to listen to those conversations. It's the dumbest shit of all time who fucking cares. Were you in that room? Then I'll listen to what you have to say. Yeah. Shut the fuck up. What I would say about the bin laundry too. Okay. Okay. So we agree there were shooters there. Fine. Talk to the pilots. Those guys are the fucking heroes. They got us. Talk to the crew chief that opened the fucking door. I mean, they almost went full gothic serpent or whatever the fuck or what? Not gothic serpent. The serpent was in Somalia. Yeah. No, no, no. The, um, uh, well, that was bad too. I'm thinking about the delta raid, uh, in Iran. What was that one? Fuck. I can't remember the name of it. Uh, yeah. But they tried to fly these, they tried to land. They did. I guess land these modified C-130s in the desert. And as soon as they turned them back on to fucking exfil out of there, they just, a bunch of sand goes into the engines, blows them up, fucking like nine tier one operators die, it was a fucking shit show. You know one of the best stories I heard of that? Because they had, well, that's why JSOC, Joint Special Operations Command, was formed because there's so many different elements doing what I was doing. Yeah. Charlie Beckwith led the charge on all that shit. But what he said was, uh, some of the delta guys were sleeping on a C-130 or whatever, and they're in the desert and it's shaking because they're trying to take off what are right for the crash. And something happened and a bunch of the delta guys started running off the back of the thing. And this delta guy woke up and he assumed they were skydiving. So he just jumped out like in the dirt and, um, they're like, what are you doing? Like, well, I saw you guys jump and I assume we were skydiving and he goes, we don't have a parachute. And he's like, yeah, I was going to figure that on the way down. Eagle Claw. Thank you for following my boys, boy. One story that Dan's told on the show, uh, for a couple of years that I wanted to confirm with you is that originally the mission was supposed to happen on a Saturday night. Yeah. But Obama had the, uh, White House Correspondent's dinner and then pushed the mission a day, which actually fucked up the weather pattern for that one. Well, the lie was the weather pattern because we told him, because we got the Greenland on Friday and then we've got 48 hours of zero percent illumination because we want to hit him at zero percent of the loom because obviously whatever. And so Saturday rolls around and we realized it's the correspondence dinner. So our boss called them and said, Hey, whether shitty over here in Afghanistan, pack or sensor, we're going to go tomorrow. And I guess Obama, I wasn't there, but he said, uh, yes, 2011, I know what the fucking weather is. Why aren't you going? Well, sir, it's the Mr. President's correspondence dinner. And I guess the only cool person there, the whole thing is everyone else like, yeah, find whatever was Hillary Clinton, because she allegedly said, Oh, fuck the press. Who killed us, dude? Really? Yeah. And because Hillary's got some kills. So that's good. No shit. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, she might be. She might be a head of fur. Dude, I'm telling you, I would never vote for her, but I will fight right next door to Foxhole. She will kill. Really? Yes. Okay. Her politics. I don't even care if her politics sucks. The way she keeps herself in power, I'll go. So I'll not toe to toe with her. I'll go toe to her next to her. Okay. Looking at that photo, that's legendary, obviously is inside the war room there as they're watching the mission. Well, that picture is awesome because that's not actually the situation room. That's next to the situation room. Really? And general web is the one star general in there. So there. I don't think we've ever seen a picture inside the situation room. There's a bunch of classifieds. Yeah. But the way it works, though, is so as you go in there, the situation room's here, there's a front desk here. The secondary room is here. The web's over here running this feed and the president's over here. They can't get it. General Web has it. And he calls them all in. Hey, I got the feed up. So that's why President Obama's in the back. And General Web was like, hey, do you want Mr. President, do you want my seat? I'll sit back here. So he pulled out a folding chair. So he's sitting in this $15 chair and Hillary Clinton gets up front and they're all watching. That's when we crashed. And the reason that's so cool is because Bill McCraven, again, I can't say enough good about him, when they crashed, I was in the other bird, he said, obviously there's been a contingency, but my men are trained to handle this. No big deal. Knowing that the White House being scared right now is not going to help what's happening in the ground. I need to calm them the fuck down. They're fine. He said, I don't even know if he gets lost half a team. As I said, in the room watching the shit go down, he might have been the only one that's ever been in a fucking gunfight here, to be honest. So the look on their faces was probably genuine then? 100% genuine. That was not staged. And are they watching it live or is it a delayed feed? You know, they were watching about five seconds behind at 30,000 feet. And at what moment did they realize that he was dead and was there a code that went out to him? Yeah. When he said, for God and country, Geronimo E.K.A. So Geronimo was the pro-word for, we just found Bin Laden. It wasn't his name. We would never insult the warrior, Chief Geronimo, like that. We were red squadron, SEAL Team Six. So we would use pro-words as an honorary term, be it a crazy horse, or Geronimo, or Chief Joseph, or whatever, just to say, hey, I'm here. So when I say this, you know, and that, so Geronimo meant I'm at Bin Laden. When we see E.K.A. that means enemy killed in half. Phase lines, right? Yeah. So like, every-- I'm just telling you, you have a list of 10 objectives you got to hit, right? You get offset and fill, you walk, whatever that happens to be. Each one of them will have a name. I'm sure you've seen it on fucking warm moves. So when I'm walking up to a target and I'm 20 minutes out and I say jester, then you'll just know, here I am. His target name was Cakebread. Cakebread? Cakebread. Why Cakebread? I am assuming the woman that found him loved Cakebread. What the fuck is Cakebread? It's wine. I'm dead serious. I don't know if it was Maya, but someone named him Cakebread. Wait, what? Cakebread is-- What? Wine. Objective Cakebread was Bin Laden. Neptune Spear was the operation, but he was objective Cakebread. So Cakebread is a brand of wine, you're saying? I've never even heard of that. A really good wine. Do you know that? Jesse's it. Oh, I can't remember that. Yeah, we got one woman in the room. Oh, yeah. I know what that is. There's literally a woman in the room right now. What the fuck, guys? Yeah. I've got a lot of wine. I've never heard of Cakebread before. What kind of-- It's wine. What are they specialized in? It's like a red delicious cherry-ish. Was that what they celebrated with? Back here. Again, I don't know. Really? They're so good. But Geronimo, and it was funny with the liberal media found of the-- oh, they called him Geronimo. They're like, they're insulting. No, we're not insulting Native Americans. It's an honor. It's an ops kid. I'm here with Chief Geronimo. Yeah. Here we are on top of the fucking mountain. And when you bring the body back, and you say, you talk to Maya, and then it's over with, where do you go from there? Well, we-- Do you guys have beers? Did you pull any pranks? Did you weaken a burn? We can put Vaseline on the toilet seat. We got back, we went to Jaybad, so we flew into Jaybad. And so the way it worked was we had to blow up one of our helicopters. The first team got on our helicopter. The second bird came in with more army dudes that rescued us, was no one talks about which blows my mind. Seal team six and the army rescued Seal team six. Well, is it Rangers? It was-- Sorry? Who was it? Rangers or some chili? I don't know. There were some Rangers. One 16. Blue team Seal team six guys, and then TF-160. And then we had more 47s behind us. And a whole bunch of dudes rescued us. I think that's so cool. And no one talks about it. Oh, and shit hooks too? Oh, yeah. They're loud as fuck, man. So they-- oh, yeah. So we're literally flying out in-- You come in all subtle, and then the-- although the CH-47 Chinook is the fastest-- It's faster than shit. --radery ring we have. It's got to get in the air. Yeah, it's got to get in the air. Well, we almost shot it out of the sky. Because like I mentioned, we didn't have Air Force guys, which means we didn't have our-- No. Yeah. So we got to blow up the super-seeker bird inside. Yeah. And we go outside. We've got the charge on this bird, and we-- whatever. And I remember looking at one of the guys going, what's the time on that fuse? They go 30 seconds. I'm like, fuck. Get out of here. Yeah. Of course. So the 47 terners this way, this thing blows up. It's like, we almost fucking killed them. And then this motherfuckers out here tweeting, just pack a sandwich, tweet it's like, fuck out of here. Yeah. Yeah. So that-- so sorry. So we finally leave. We fly down to Jalalbad, Afghanistan. We get out there. And that was actually the coolest part. When we get over there, and the army lands us, Bill McCraven's there. I don't know what the craven's there. But he's like the dad. And we all are around bin Laden's body. And someone says, hey, man, do you want to meet the guy that killed bin Laden? He goes, yeah, I do. And so he came over to me. And he put his hand at me like this, and we had this minor debrief. We're looking at bin Laden's body. And that's when he laid down the sniper next to him, so we could tell President Obama how tall he was, and we're just kind of having a laugh. Then we put him on a C-130, Maya left. We flew up to Bagram, and then they're doing the checks on his body, and they're going through all the bullshit, whatever. Everything was fine, but then once we started talking about what actually happened, this kind of shit went sideways. And then we're like, we got to find the CBs because they have beer, they have whiskey, they have pizza. So he went there, and then we started seeing the news articles on Yahoo, like, "Seal team six," did whatever. That's when you can feel the weirdness like, "Yeah, fuck." We were so good at killing terrorists, but now we just killed the number one terrorists. We're going to hate each other. Really? Yeah. And was it actually Obama on the phone? Yeah. They had Obama on the phone. He was funny about the tape measure, because he said, "Let me get this." So yeah, we just laid down a sniper next to him who's six, two inches taller. So this has got to be bin Laden, and he goes, "So let me get this straight. You can destroy one of our $150 million aircraft. You can't afford a $3 tape measure." That's what he said on the phone. And then he actually, when Bill McCraven retired, he sent his personal assistant down to Texas to give him a plaque with a tape measure on it. Shh. Congratulations. Here's your fucking tape measure. Obama was pretty funny about this stuff, and he was, I'll be honest, man. Fuck politics. He was south side Chicago bad motherfucker. Like, he was going to send us everything. And my boys are not surrendering to Pakistan. We're going to fuck them up. We're going to try to sneak in, but if we can't, scorched her with motherfucker. What happened in Benghazi then? I'm going to do the same thing in an office. Yeah. Different animal. I mean, it's-- I wish I had an answer. I wasn't there for that. I don't know. Yeah. And it's tough because you're trying to take politics out of-- especially with what's going on right now in the debates and everything else and the hatred in the country and the division. But you do try to take politics out of it for, let's say, that night, right? You had a great moment with him. It was a cool story and everything else. And then boom, something else goes sideways and you're like, "Where the fuck were you then and why?" Well, they're running guns out of Libya. Yeah. Yeah. That's been going on since the '80s. It's-- like that shit, Ollie Northwood, the jail for it hasn't stopped. We just keep doing that shit. I mean, come on. But I mean, this one was almost different. The Benghazi thing was way, way bigger animal. Yeah. This is a one mission in Pakistan. And I'm not trying to stand up for Obama or Bush or Trump. I'm just saying our government fucking sucks and sometimes it gets cut. Yeah. And with you personally, you said you knew as soon as it leaked or that it got out that it was SEAL Team 6, that you guys would hate each other immediately. How long until that set in that there was division and-- Well, we had one good night because we flew back the ground force commander, pulled the point man and me-- and that's the point man, the guy that led me up this set of stairs and I was right behind him-- and he was the point man was pissed because he was asking me where the fuck was everyone. I'm like, dude, we were just thin. We're just thin. We're 23 guys. We're out of guys, whatever. We got back and the ground force commander pulled me and the point man in and he brought out some whiskey and said, hey, guys, great job on that floor and we're like, fuck yeah, I mean, we're not looking for celebration, but awesome. And then we got back on the bird. We flew to Oceana, direct flight from Afghanistan to Oceana, and then Blue Squadron was there. And so we were red squad and they were Blue Squadron. They pulled up in these buses with peaches and beers and whatever. We rolled back to SEAL Team 6. We walked upstairs and my former troop chief was there and he brought out with a buddy of mine from Blue Squadron, his big bottle of Johnny Walker Blue label. And he goes, hey man, I bought this a long time ago and I was saving it for a special event. I think this might be it. And he broke up the Johnny Blue. And we kind of sat around and had pizza and then we bullshit and then we all went to the ready room, which is a bar. And if you've ever seen the Rob Riegel skit-- Rob Riegel? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's what happened that night, like 100%, like so no one's going to say a word, right? Right. And it just, it went off the rails. And I remember literally drinking with my friends or whatever and even Marco and how he said he went there and he left and went to Taco Bell. Just sitting there in a parking lot and eating a taco, like we're going to be friends forever. Okay, no we're not, tomorrow's going to suck and tomorrow's going to start to suck. It just, it was, I think it was too much pressure to put on guys at that level because most of the guys with whom I've served are guys that don't want to be known. These are dudes, like when people start names dropping guys in the bin Laden rain, I kind of laugh about myself. It's like, stop mentioning these other dudes because they're not as funny as me. And they're going to fucking show up at your house. You say their name, they're going to show up. Trust me, you would rather me show up at your house than the point man, not a good fucking day for you. And it just, it kind of just turns into one of these things where a lot of guys don't want to be known. And you understand it, right? You got kids? 100% man. I'm going to follow you the rest of your life. It would be so much easier to live my life knowing there's not a threat looking for me right now. So much easier. So what made you decide to come out and say it? My name immediately came out as soon as on the third floor of that house. As soon as it came out, guys around the house were asking who got him. And it was actually a funny story because my name was Nizro, Navy Seal Robinio Nizro, NSR on Nizro Nizro. And I would hear people talk to like, because everyone on the second floor, who got him? Nizro. Fuck, we're never going to hear the end of this. And so then it, like we got back to J-Bad, then we went to Bongrom, and then dudes from the White House were calling me like, yeah man, they just said that it was you. I'm like, all right. And then it's one of those moments too when I get back, it's more I could put my head in the sand to pretend people don't know that I killed Bin Laden, or I can admit it and keep guns in my house. Yeah. It's not fun. Trust me. This isn't a fun deal. And to this day, has there anybody, any threats against you or your family? Yeah. There's been a ton of threats. Anything credible? Well, there was a few women that were ISIS brides that the government hit with drones. I think it's awesome. I think it's dope that a woman's score got destroyed by our government. That's pretty cool. And it was because of you and they were coming after you? Legally, yeah. Allegedly. And then we had a couple just get arrested and go down for our dad. After your father? Mm-hmm. Wow. It's not cool. I don't think they want that smoke. You show up in Butte, Montana is trying to start some shit. You're going to get fucked up, dude, and nobody will ever hear about it either. You're going to end up getting served as a pork chop at that fucking pork chop sandwich. You've got a lot of guns. Yeah, because you got kids, you know, you got a life and everything else. I'm assuming they go to normal schools and all that, I won't say where you live. Any fear that you get the call from the school one day that somebody's gone after a child? Well, I home school and my kids know how to use guns. And that's all I can ask for. What if your wife just started beating them up? Yeah. Then they probably deserve it. If my wife starts beating my kids, they fucking deserve it. Yeah, they had a comment. I mean, Jessica's had enough of me. Yeah, she's probably just taking it out on them. But I've seen her. I've seen her. She can outshoot me and she can chug a beer fast with me. So I'm not really worried about Jess. Well, then you're good to go. Yeah. You're good to go. And she makes beautiful kids. Yeah. Yeah. And you got a new one. Yeah. The dollar's six months old. Six months old. I just talked to her this morning and she's adorable. I can smell her a little hair through the FaceTime. She's the cutest damn thing in the world. I saw you guys on the beach a few weeks ago. Well, I take your swimming because I want her to understand that, oh my gosh. You're having to fucking do lock setups and fucking wake or what? Should we do shark appreciation? Just because the great white star doesn't mean it's going to hurt. You just respect it and look at it or whatever. Because we swim at Cape Cod all the time. There's great whites all over the place. But great white's your friend and their plight. That's what every seal says. And no, I'm not going to do that. Well, I've never been attacked by one. Well, you haven't. But down in Padre on 4th of July, and go, go, go, two of those fuckers. Man. Those are not great whites. Oh, they were not. No, they're bulls. Okay. Bulls give everyone a bad breath. A chunk of leg out. Bulls give tiger sharks a bad name. Tiger sharks are friendly too. Tiger sharks the way I love giving sharks different personalities. Like a great hammerhead is a really smart shark that swims low. A reef shark is a puppy. A bull shark is a dick. A tiger shark is like when you're in high school and there's that one fat drunk cheerleader. That's a tiger shark. She's goofy. I'm still going to party with her. And then a great white's just polite. Tommy Ryan? She hated some tiger sharks. Yeah, Tommy. Is Tommy wearing a ring? They want us polite. Much bigger fans. They could rip off a big old piece of meat. I don't know. And then since it is 9/11, obviously everybody asked you to do something. I would imagine every single year or some events. You were gracious enough to come down here to Dallas. Don't thank me. Thank Creed, baby. Because we're going in. We're going in tonight. So excited. I swear to God. Yeah. Someone said, yeah, they're playing new shit. No. I don't want to hear any of your new shit. All of the old school shit. All the hands. With arms. I don't want to hear just an illusion. Come on. One last breath. Sacrifice. I want to hear freedom fighter off of the Wetherd album. I know we're not going to hear. Oh my God. You're going to be able to work the fuck out. I love this. Tonight's the night to ask. We're going to chat with them before they come on stage. I would say, look, guys, if you haven't made your set list, I got one request. I'm going to pull it. I'm going to say, hey, my brother killed me a lot. We got to do it today. Like, today's the one ask of all days. I'm not trying to put any pressure on you, Scott. Playing Maxwell's silver hammer. That's the B.O. Serb. Whatever. I didn't ask. I don't care. I don't care. All right. You're going to play. For the speed of my brother. It's 9/11. You make them play the entire Wetherd album tonight. Just sitting on the 8th. If we can get it. I will write a check for a million dollars if Creed plays nothing but the Wetherd album tonight. Do you think they know it? Know it. Oh, no. I wrote it. Mark Trimani. Here's where I'm going to geek out. One of the best guitar players out there today. I mean, but his work in Creed and Alter Bridge is amazing. I can't wait to see him. Yeah. I'm amped. They've been on fire this entire tour. Every single show has been sold out to the point where I was telling Dan last night they've had to add more dates. So, I mean, you're looking at a 20,000-seat arena we're going to tonight and this is scheduled all the way through the end of the year, virtually every single night. So they're back and I'm excited to see him look into pictures online and all that other stuff. They all still look great. They all still look the same. Sound the same. So I saw a video. They're two are open. I think it was a Minneapolis. They're on fire, man. Oh, man. I can't wait. I can't wait. Now's the point of the show. We get to the drinking bro of the week. Rob, you've been on many times. Who would you like to give the drinking bro the week to? Can I give the drinking bro the week to Tom O'Neill? Sure, your brother? Yeah. Right in front of him? Right here. I love it. I love it. Oh, Neil, with two L's, by the way. Yeah, it sure is. Two L's. And I'm going to put him on spot if I might. Sure. Why should you be the drinking bro the week? I'm going to turn it around. I'm going to defer this to you, my friend. My brother, for your service as a seal and as a warrior and for everything that comes as a result of September 11, 2001. You're bringing this up because I've seen it in a shower and you're just a little bit longer than I am. It's like a baby's arm holding an apple. You know what they're doing? You know they make, there's a stem cell shot for that now. That's what I heard. A little late for Weinstein. A little late for him now. Yeah. But everybody else, you're good. You're good. Yeah. But was there ever a point where you saved his life or something growing up? No, if anything, I was. Did you tell him about the time that you broke my ankle? He was a total liability. Oh, well, yeah. I spent everyone, if he's read the operator, has probably heard about the free throws at him my father did. I mean, they spent just, okay, that was part of the deal. Okay. They were doing, I mean, he had to work on his vertical lead practice in about three hours a day through the summer. And we're talking maybe two weeks before basketball tryout. He's talking about this white ginger. Oh, no, no. He was like, what are you, a who's here? He had the moves. He was thinner. He was faster. He could shoot. What the fuck did that mean? So it's about two weeks before tryouts. And we go to the YMCA in Butte, and my fat ass gets underneath him. He comes down on my foot and just rolls the shit out his ankle and just completely levels his upper year of basketball in high school. So that was one of the time of that year too, I was on the bench. No, that was a different year. No, wait. That was 92. You're right. Same year. Been lying. Been lying might still be alive, if not. You're not rolling his ankle though, so yeah, he could have been in the NBA and said, like, and that's, you know, all because I can't jump or rebound. Yeah, it's because of you, Tommy. So let's thank Tommy. I always set this award. Thank you. Exactly. I'd say that this got stabbed tonight. Look, he's fine. But like it was me. I was my sacrifice. Motherfucker. Hardness. Nailed it. Gotta end the show on that. Gotta end the show on that. Appreciate everybody. Tune in. Go to iTunes. Rate the show a five star. Leave a quick review. Also heading over to Spotify is just a five star, and you can walk away. Follow the operator podcast. You got an episode coming out today. Who are you? I'm talking with Trevor Colt, who was a word of the military cross. He tells him great stories about it. Because it is 9/11, it's how 9/11 affected so many people he's a dude from the UK, how he ended up in Iraq, Afghanistan, and just what happens mentally to people that are fighting over there. It's great interview. Check it out through the operator podcast. Cool. It's the second best on the internet. Awesome. It really is. It really is. As your drinker bros, you pop on the operator podcast. You're good to go. Let's just try to remember who we were on that day afterwards. There was some breaking news that I'll report here right before we get off air. Trump, Kamala, and Biden were together today. They were shaking hands with one another. Kept it peaceful even though the night after a contentious debate, and that was at least nice to see to put politics aside for one day. Do you think Biden smelled his hand after he shook the other person's hands? I'm not sure if he knows he's alive. I bet he sniffed it a little bit. Yeah, probably just a tad. Do you ever do that when you shake somebody's hand? Just right in front of him. It's an easy way to turn something good into something really bad. Yeah. Snatch that moment of joy away from somebody. God, I can't wait to meet Creed tonight. Yeah. He's sniffing hands. Tommy's sniffing hands tonight. Download the operator podcast, everyone. Thanks for being here. For Dan, the Anthony Holloway, Rob O'Neill, Tommy O'Neill. I'm Ross Patterson. This is the Drinking Bros podcast. Good night, everyone. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
