(upbeat music) - Where are you doing Dave? Let's go for it. We got any booms left? - I think the boom bank has to be-- - We gotta recharge it. - Yeah, yeah. How do we recharge that thing anyway? - I don't know, it's a good question. - All right, three bananas equal, one boom. - Yeah. (laughing) - All right, well, this is unleashing leadership. I'm Travis Moss, CEO of Seed Planning Group and this is our co-host, Dave Nurtj, Chief Operating Officer of Seed Planning Group. And this podcast is all about how we implement takeaways from great books into our business. So we wanna set the example of how you can take ideas and actually implement them and make change. Today we're talking about takeaways from the book, build by Tony Fidell and our takeaway, the only thing that can make a job really worth it is the people. We doing it, Dave, are we skipping it? - We're doing it. - We're doing it, all right. That's winter, winter. As always, it was a favor. 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I love it when people are like, I'm not a people person, I hate people. I'm not like just to do my own thing. It's like humans are conditioned to be social animals. So what in life should we be doing that's not about people in general? I don't know. - Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, on the surface, I disagree with this one. - Okay, let's do that, this is dirty, let's go. - Yes, because it says only. I don't like the only thing that can make a job really. I might have put the only in there. All right, maybe not though. - It would have been influenced by Tony. So we can, either way, we'll blame Tony. - We'll blame Tony for this one. But I mean, geez, I mean, he's only a gazillionaire. He's a freaking bum. - Yeah, he didn't, he's only in there. - No revolutions, didn't create anything. - No, no, no, no. - Even though we have how many of his products either in our house or pocket right now. - Oh, I'm gonna have it collect. I mean, we should get Nest to be a sponsor in the show 'cause I'm gonna have it collect or nest products. So I'm a freaking love them. - Okay, so anyway, enough of the free plugs. - Yeah, well, the people obviously, we'll get to that part, but the part I disagree, I think, I mean, we talk about this a lot, right? It's the purpose and the mission, what we call the just cause of the company that I think really make it worth it, right? Like that could make a job really worth it even if the people weren't the best, there's that, right? - So I'm like, but isn't that just cause normally about people? - It is. - So the end of the path is actually always about people. - Yeah, so that's where the, I think the conversation is what people are we talking about. Is it, when I read this and why I disagreed with it was just talking about the people you work with. Like that's how I interpreted that was, okay, you work with great people, it makes your job very worth it, but you could be working with a great group of people. If you don't have any direction or like a purpose behind your job, it's almost like just working with your friends or trying to do something and you're just, you don't have any direction or you're kind of like misguided. So that was, that's my disagreement with it if it's interpreted that way. Now, we take that more broad with the people and say, anyone who can be affected by this, by your job and the company's just cause and all that, I agree with it because it does come back to people. Helping them, solving problems for them. - Well, you keep-- - Whatever, improving their lives. - You keep talking about just cause and you're talking about Simon Sinek and the Infinite Game and Simon Sinek, if you listen to him talk, he talks all about how pair kind of paraphrasing him and at risk of doing an absolute statement here, which if you listen to me on digital suits, you know that, which is in our podcast on the mind, you know that I don't like absolute statements cause it's almost never all always everything only, right? Those are kind of generic stereotypes, but in general and per Simon, so it's neat because Simon and Tony are making this same statement and I would say that they're very different. You know, reading and listening to Simon and then reading Tony Fidel's work, I think they're very, very different people. But Simon's work, he talks about how the greatest value when you feel really good about something normally is because you've helped somebody. Because you've done something for somebody else. I mean, when people really get that and you say something like, you know, I want to follow my dreams and my passion, you go, what is that? Normally ends in, I want to build this. Why do you want to build that for people, right? I want to improve people's experience in this. I want to solve world hunger. I want to make sure that person gets all by the grocery store has a bed to sleep in at night. Whatever your thing is, normally the things that make you feel the best that are longstanding are, look what I have done. You're a parent. What's the greatest accomplishment that you have in your life? - It raises your kids to be successful, right? - It's what your kids do, right? I mean, that is the epitome of feeling good about yourself, is having kids that become, you know, they go out in the world and make a dent, right? They play on the last episode, but that's how you get the most value out of it. You go to work. You could fix a process to make it more efficient. And that's cool for a day or two. Nobody's going to remember. You out somebody go from walk on to CEO someday. You were a part of that, you did that. You are going to feel that for the rest of your life and people will remember it for the rest of your life. - Because you changed their life and their family's life and all of that. - You created that ripple effect that we talked about and it just pulsates out there. - Right. - And so when I think of this, you know, I really do think that for the most part, it almost always comes back to people. And, you know, those are two very, very different people talking about kind of in different directions, but they are both talking about the fact that the biggest value that you're going to get, especially from working is from helping people or changing the lives of other people. - Yep. - And I think about the most successful people, most successful people, at least on the surface, are directing their energy and improving other people's lives or solving people's problems. - I mean, I agree with that. - That's why they become fabulously successful and wealthy and everybody looks at them and, you know, they don't have to worry about things and people say, you know, later on, oh my gosh, look at what they did and they write books about them. - Yeah. - Nobody writes a book about somebody who didn't do anything good for other people. - Right. All the other stuff is the byproduct of it, right? Like that comes with it, but helping people is the core of it. - Yeah, at least not a good book. I mean, I guess you could say that they write books about mobsters. But you know, that's, you don't really want somebody to write a book about you in that light. - Good clarification. - There's a big difference between, you know, El Capone and Tony Fidel. - Good, it's good insight. - Yeah, I'm on fire today, man. - You convinced me. - I've convinced you. - I got a new agree with it now. - I agree with it now. In that context, yes, I-- - In the context of El Capone and Tony Fidel? - Yes, that was the closing statement that did it for me. - Got you. - Yeah, I forgot what the argument was there about halfway through. I was just on the tangent, but that sounded good. - Yeah, 'cause I started by saying, I don't agree with the statement as written, and I, the way I interpret it. - Got you. - But the way you brought it around and talked about that, the actual purpose and the admission behind things does come back to people and back in that sense, and yes, it's absolutely true. - I think about, 'cause I work with a lot of people, our firm works with a lot of people, and we talk about their jobs and things and where they work and stuff. And it doesn't matter how much you make, if you go to work and you're treated poorly, you don't agree with anybody that you work with, you don't like the people, you don't like the leadership, or the clients are very difficult to deal with, and you don't like dealing with them. You're not gonna like your work. It doesn't matter how many spreadsheets get to play with, or all the other stuff. If the people that you're interfacing with don't provide you as much energy as it takes to work with them, if it's not reciprocal, you're never going to like being there, right? You're going to carry on that stress and that struggle with you. You're gonna take it home with you, you're gonna take it everywhere with you. And why you lose that vitality because you're dealing with all that negative energy versus if you were to walk into your office in the morning or the plant that you work at or wherever you work at, maybe you're a contractor and you get a couple guys that work with you, and you genuinely are interested and do care about their lives and they care about yours and what's going on. That makes all the difference. When you talk to your clients or your customers, there's respect and you like each other and you like to see the improvement that everybody's making and you share in that. Work is not so much work anymore. Work is kind of like an extension of your social life. You still go and you work hard and you work on improving and all that kind of stuff, but you wake up every day saying, what's my opportunity? Oh, my opportunity, I get to see so-and-so and hear what they're doing and talk about what we wanna do over there and we're trying to do that. I really appreciate what's going over there and I have an opportunity to help that person and I have an opportunity to get that person to help me and that kind of thing. It's so much better than I gotta go to work and I gotta be guarded. (upbeat music)
