This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Hello, welcome to Talking Cop, it's me, Chris Brackett is the first women's show this season and I'm joined by my friends Neil Aksen from their fill wrap and Emma from BBC. How are we all doing? Very well. Good, thank you. Happy summer as well. Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. I mean, that's all you. It was a bit of hectic, some of you, wasn't it? Yeah. I had the mentee around, got a new job, so yeah, it's been a bit busy trying to buy a house, as Neil knows, so yeah, a bit intense. Yeah, I mean, just, I need to upload a job as a senior football writer now for women's football. Senior women's football reporter, so yeah. More of a new slant. I'm working across a couple of departments. Excellent news, well done. And Neil's obviously, if people don't know, he's been promoting his new book. Yes, whatever possible. Transformer, if anyone wants to jump on board, I am of the view it is good. I want to be clear about this. There were points through the process where I was not of that view. So in the idea of being one's own worst critic, which I have, I think I'm quite close to my top three worst critics of me. The fact that I have ended up thinking, you know what, it's actually pretty good this and you've sort of done what you wanted to do when you started off. So it's very much about nine years, but also what it means going forward and the work being building blocks to plan for something new and fresh and different. It is an extended tirade against nostalgia. So if you're getting into it because you think it's nostalgic about Klopp, it is not, it is very much one for the moment. Lovely, lovely. And I know you've enjoyed doing the audiobook so long. Oh, it's been a nightmare. Honestly, I have a chapter that's eight words of German, a chapter title, that's eight words of German. And what on earth was I thinking like it was very much written by a man who did not realize he was going to have to read this at some point until he was also clever. A few worries with myself, furious. And then the other thing that happens when you want, when one reads ones on audiobook is you see the typos. You know, the paragraphs 100 words long, there's a typo and word 76 and you're never going to read it successfully. The whole thing just gone off a cliff like a lemon. It's finished. You're done. Because you can't even come through so many proof reads and proof readers. And now suddenly there's why on earth is this happened. And then you get to your madly structured sentences like why have I managed to get that that in that that? What the what who says that that's not something human ever says it's something that you write down until you ever say. So yeah, anyway, the whole thing was, it was graphed. I'm not going to say don't buy the audio book, but definitely buy the hard back and you can make it to speak on the audio book. I'm definitely buying the audio, but now you saw that. The book sells me through the roof now. Honestly. Can you spot with the typo isn't in the way you need it. Yeah, genuinely. Cool. So let's talk about little women and because I think last I was always just after the season, it ended and there was a few bits of movements. But since there's been one big movement out of the club and I was over at the end, Missy Bo is no longer liberal play. She's been sold to Aston Villa. I think you've got a mixed reaction. I think some are quite shocked because I mean probably from the outside looking in. She is the more recognizable player. She's the one that's used on a lot of the commercial side of it, especially like local Delves and stuff like that. From my perspective, from a football perspective, it kind of felt like a better for both parties. If I was being brutally honest, she asked me to name a look from midfield. She wouldn't be in it, but she'd be one of the squad options. And I think for her, she's a talented player and she's clearly decided I need to play more regular football. So maybe it works out the best for both parties. Yeah, that's exactly it. And I think probably from the outside the shot came from the fact that it felt like it came from nowhere. But it was actually something that was kind of rumbling on for sort of several months really. I think as you say there, I think Missy Bo knew that she wasn't really getting in the Liverpool side consistently. She had fallen down the pecking order in the midfield options that Matt Beard has. Perhaps the style of play that Liverpool play, she probably didn't feel suited her best strengths as well. We saw her go and play while going captaining under 21s and she played in a slightly different role a bit more. As a kind of attacking number 10 outright, then perhaps what she played at Liverpool, where she was probably asked to do a bit more box to box, a bit more defensive side of things. Obviously she started last season actually playing up front because of some of the injuries that Liverpool had up front if you can remember. So I think she knew where she stood in the pecking order. And as you say, I think it was a decision that took some thought process from her. But I'd imagine from conversations that she had with those around her and within the club and also Aston Villa, who had been interested in her for a while, they actually looked at getting her in in the January transfer window and also last summer as well from what I can understand. So again, it's not new on their part. And she saw that as a place where there are obviously some English players there that she knows well anyway, that might be able to help her break into the national team, which ultimately is her priority from a personal point of view. And Liverpool saw it as an opportunity to cash in on a player who they wished well and at the end of the day they didn't want to stop in terms of her progression. But equally from a purely brutal business point of view, they could afford to lose her basically. So they got some money for her that they were happy with. As far as I understand it could go up to about 100,000 K, 100 K if she's to break into the England squad. There's a few add-ons without by involved in that deal, so there's lots of working parts, but that would be a good lump sum for Liverpool to get for a player who is still young and obviously was quite far down in the pecking order. I suppose from a marked-important view of being a completely business side of things, that's probably where Liverpool might lose a fair bit of money because as you say, she's the face of a Liverpool woman, she's the face of the club, she's an academy graduate, so obviously they lose something in that sense. But yeah, I think all parties were pretty OK with it in an ideal scenario, Liverpool probably would have kept her, but equally I think they're pretty happy with the squad depth that they have in the field at the moment. Yeah, I mean Neil I suppose if we want to try and put a positive on it is when Liverpool are at a point where they can say to some of the quality of Missy, Missy Bo is, you're probably not going to be a regular for us, you're going to be a squad option. That's quite a step up from where we're probably only two years ago. And that's true, I think what's hard with this is just looking at a couple of areas where you just sort of wonder are they possibly risking leaving themselves light. I think that's the harder part and then as part of that therefore does it become, you know, there's enough positives to ensure and someone like Kearns feels as though she's sufficiently involved. Now, you know, I think that that's a tricky one and I think there is a style of play point, I think Emma's absolutely right, I think that the way Liverpool women play, I think it's in a specific way that struggles for you to pin down the position that I think she'd be at her best in. I don't see suits the sort of the five, the five, three, two approach that we've seen and even even the idea of five, two, one, two, which I think what you might say a little bit of this season of times I think that that's almost a little bit tricky for her as well. I, to me, she looks like someone who needs to be the most advancement field in the four, three, three on a regular basis. And these things feel like a little bit like splitting hairs, but I don't think they are particularly. So I think that there are the sort of ups and downs pros and cons on it. I do think that, you know, seeing how the fixtures will progress from a Liverpool point of view. The other oddity of this is the way in which the games, as I say, every year on these shows, they just come in such batches as well. So you're either in rhythm and path to batches or you're not. And I think that that's what makes it hard and that you can feel like you're a couple of lights if suddenly you've got five games across what becomes sort of a two and a half week period. But the flip side of that is then you might not have a game for two and a half weeks, at which point everyone compares themselves up and sort all of that out. So you can get to game five and feel a little bit like you're on your last legs, but it's all right because there's about to be a break, whether it's for international football in some cases, or just the sad, just to throw one in in other cases. And I think that that, I think in a way that makes sort of squat building hard, but I think it also makes squad management hard. So I've got sympathy for all, every all parties here, Liverpool, Missy Bowe. But I also think that in general, Villa are getting a good player. And the one thing that you can say is there's continual movements still within the women's game in terms of players, they get to lessen this summer. But if Liverpool need to get a back, that's a real opportunity. I'm sure that that could be arranged if he felt as though there was a home for it. Yeah, I agree. So, but moving on to sort of the ins of people's go out. So, I think when we spoke in the, I think Emma Coe, Visto had gone, which was probably the surprise name that went right at the end of the season. So me, maybe it was on this one job. We'll maybe we'll bring who we bring in, but it looks more like the opportunities is Lucy Paris to lose. Which is, again, you know, like the men's team I've done with a young Bradley, you know, which is played, she's looked good. You know, she's, I think, having a year away on owners, don't know where they're good. The fact that given the number two shirt is generally a key sign that they're going, this is someone we're hanging our hat on. So, again, that's, towards that's the opportunity that comes. And, you know, you've still got the likes of Hannah Silkar, because I'm sure we've also going to get opportunities this year. So maybe that is where Liverpool are trying to go with, give a few more of the youth players an opportunity, while still having a very strong spine to work with. Yeah, that's absolutely the plan. Lucy Paris will be the starting right back for love for the season, for what I've been told. And, as you say, she's got the number two shirt. It's pretty obvious, I think. So, yeah, that was the plan. That was the thinking behind Emma Coe, Visto, leaving, was open the door to Lucy Paris. I still think we need strength in that, in full-back positions. I'm quite disappointed. We haven't gone into the market. I probably want to see at least two come in. I know that, you know, we've got a couple of targets that have already sort of lined up. Maybe even some pre-contract signed for January. I don't know who those players are. I would be extremely surprised if one of them isn't a full-back. It might be extremely disappointed if one of them isn't a full-back. And that's nothing against Lucy Paris. I think she's a brilliant player, brilliant potential. But I do think it's a lot of responsibility to put on her shoulders to go from kind of someone who has not really been around the squad, obviously, being on loan. When she has been here, she's played a mixture of roles, started off as a right forward. When she first broke into the first team, looked really good when she has played it right back. But it's completely different playing games for 90 minutes every week in the WSL at the level that that now is, and then trying to compete in cop competitions and maybe the stress on your body that that gives that she might not be used to, playing at that level every week, but also the level of responsibility. Yeah, the scrutiny, et cetera. There's a lot in there that will be a big change for her. I've no doubt that she can deal with that. Can she deal with that over a season? And if she can't, let's say she has a couple of bad games. Have we got enough depth there? I know Matt thinks that Grace Fisk, obviously, is a good backup option for there, but personally, I think she's our best defender. I won't be moving anywhere from centre back ever. So, yeah, I think there's options there. I think he likes having players who can play multiple roles, and he always has said that. You look at the likes of Giles Matthews, for example, she's been rewarded for that for her versatility, but I just think if Liverpool want to make that next step to really break into the top three, which is what they say their ambitions are for the season, then I think we need to get players who are in that top three bracket in specialised positions, and then you can then worry about squad depth after that, I think. So, yeah, that's kind of where I stand, but like I say, nothing against Lucie Perry, really exciting talent, and I'm excited to see what she can do this season. I just think we need to give her a little bit more support. Yeah, that's who we're coming from. In terms of the incumbents then, so we've had three. We've had Olivia Smith, exciting Canadian forward, who, correct me on that, we've broken her club record. Yeah. So, I mean, Neil, we just spoke about focusing on Olivia Smith. When you hear a club record fee broken, that does bring an air of, this is somewhat exciting then. This is someone we should keep an eye on, but also there's this big side of faith in her, that, you know, Liverpool decided to really go for that level for her. Yeah, and you're looking at a footballer who's in a situation where so far in a club career, she's gone effectively a goal again. A young club career as well, you'd point out. So, it's just as a ton of talent there. Obviously, there's a question mark over there. She's playing for the second best team in Portugal, and the quality of the rest of that league is, you know, up for debate, but it's worth pointing out that sport and have found themselves into the Champions League. So, sport and arm mugs, let's be clear about that. They've had to go through some qualifiers there and play in the Champions League as well this season. So, she's moved from there to come to Liverpool. Sport and probably won't get through in the Champions League. They've got Real Madrid when I was after a little look at it before. So, they probably do get knocked out at that point, but it is worth saying that she's been playing for a good side, starting for a good side and scoring goals for a good side. The quality of the opposition is the sort of debatable aspect. But goals scored and goals scored into an extent. And so, it's exciting that Liverpool have managed to pick it up. The idea that they've had to, you know, be really bold in terms of what the paid for, I think, is good. I think it's a little bit of a funny shift, really, where, you know, with Kane and coming back. And then to be being another year older. It's a funny one, really, where in years, gone by. I mean, and this would be for a competitive balls being kicked. But, you know, if we're having these conversations, one of the things that always worries me is I'm looking at Liverpool sides last couple of seasons going. I'm just not sure there's enough goals in them. The, you know, where Roman Horgan's last season as a side Kane and coming back in and impressed as much as she did with Smith with him, with then to be. With Copics as well, you've been able to sort of turn around and go. Suddenly this looks like it looks actually really well stocked in there. You wonder whether or not there might be a bit of an eye in the early going of the season if Smith gets some opportunities maybe a little bit deeper from time to time that she's going to buttress those midfield positions as much as she's going to sort of play in the lean line from a Liverpool point of view. And it'll be interesting to see that as it develops what the, what the plan is. But I think it is, it is legitimately exciting. I think people are going to, you know, be going to the matches. There's real reason to be excited by it to see the way in which it develops. You know, this is, it's an interesting sign and it's a good side and I think that Liverpool can go into the season feeling like they know where the goals are. To Emma's point, you do sort of have concerns around what is going on predominantly in those wing back positions. The only thing that occurs to me is, you know, is it possible that this is the season where there's going to be a bit of a visible shift more often away from the three and into more of a four. What doesn't help us in that is that so far the pre-season game that we've got the information on is against Manchester City. And I think that, you know, it's perfectly legitimate for Liverpool to play games against Manchester City and choosing to go into them with a back three, you know. But if this is the year where Liverpool are maybe going to draw a divine line from everyone who's above them, you've finished above them last season and have the attitude that home and why they're going to go with a back three and then look at everyone beneath them, or at least the bottom sort of four or five and be going to go into it with a back four, then that may well be an opportunity there where maybe there's a little less of an illness, maybe the idea, for instance, a fist could be in Liverpool's best defender, which could be Liverpool's best defender from right back in a bit of a traditional right back sort of role. The issue becomes when you're asking these players to first and foremost do endless shuttles up and down the pitch, but also as part of that, be able to contribute a great deal in attacking areas, and that's where you need specialists. You need specialist wing backs, almost let alone full backs to Emma's point. And that's where you do sort of, you can talk about wanting it to be flexibility and variety and versatility in your players, but it's hard playing full back and it's not the sort of, it's hard playing wing back, and it's not the sort of thing a centre-half can easily just go and take two. Yeah, so in terms of the other side, Neil's mentioned we've got Cornilla capo, capos, and Neil will get it a name wrong. Copage, I think. Copage, there we go, I knew he'd get it wrong. What can you tell us about Copage then? Because I don't know much about it, but... Yeah, not much at all. I think that's the beauty of it, really, is that she came in, she was quite an unknown, which I think in itself, I mean it could be a bad thing, could be a good thing, but I think it shows maybe how far the recruitment has come at Liverpool Women. Even if you just look back a few years ago, there'd be a lot of names that just came from kind of England and maybe, you know, a couple of the top European size, but now it looks like we're expanding the recruitment pool a little bit more. Obviously, we dipped into the Asian market to get in Fukunigano. We looked at, obviously, the Austrian market and brought in Marie Hobinger, who was playing a football in Germany, obviously as well. So, yeah, I think this is just another one in that kind of bracket where, you know, she's a bit more unknown, she's young, she's obviously got potential, there's talent there, but when you look at the statistics, you can obviously see that, you know, she's had a fair bit of decent game time at a senior level, so. It's got goals, it's got a really good number of goals. Yeah, it's got a lot of goals. So, yeah, I think there's, on paper, there's a decent player there, but beyond that, I don't think we know much about it. Hearing from some of the other teammates and obviously from that bit, across a couple of events kind of in the last week or so, it's been quite interesting hearing them talk about the new signings. Everyone mentions the fact that Olivia Smith has kind of got this, this technique in terms of the way she hits the ball that's ridiculous. And then when they speak about Cobbitch, they, you know, they speak about kind of her intelligence, which is quite interesting. So, yeah, that's the thing that people are kind of saying, but yeah, I suppose until we see her, it's difficult to know what her role will be in the team, what position she'll play and where she'll fit in among those other forwards. And the final son we've done so far is Gemra Evans from Manuyser. Again, cover more centre-back cover, is it? Yeah, I think she obviously, you know, she is a centre-back, that's her position. She played at left-back for Manchester United last season. They had a lot of injuries in that department, but she is right-footed. So, I think there's a bit of a loss of balance there, but she's played at left-back at Reading. Matt Beard has seen her at Bristol City playing in that position a little bit as well, but she is a centre-back, but I'd imagine she has been brought in, I would think, as left-back. But again, until I suppose we know, as Neil rightly says, whether or not it's going to be about four or about five, I do think that means a big difference in, you know, how Gemra Evans might be used. But I think, yeah, I think the fact, again, we know that Beardie likes that versatility and she can play in two positions. And I think that's why he's brought her in. Cool. And finally, Neil, we've had a couple of extensions, and that was now with Rachel Lawrs as an extension. Captain Yifarhi's got another extension. I think there is an element of a coaching role involved in that as well, which is, she eventually, she's helping future-proofing her career post-football. And then Kean has got an extension, which is nice to see, because, you know, she's had horrible injuries. Yeah. So, it's actually nice that she's got herself back, got herself back fit, and got herself another opportunity, a little bit more, which is great to see. Yeah, it just seems really positive. And, you know, there's so much stuff around this, you know, where the, I get, I'll say, again, an attack, you know, that feels the opportunity for real combinations there. I mean, you can see an aspect of it already. You know, there's, I feel as though they are, you know, if, if, if Copics does well, then we're in a situation where I'm optimistic, we're sort of talking about five really good options for two positions and different types to see what you want to blend. But it might be that it becomes three positions. It might be that it becomes a little bit different than Kean. It can be a big part of that as well. The key thing to sort of say is that she shows towards the back end of the season that she's a goalscorer again. If it needed a reminder, you know, she does that at the end of last season. I think it's a really good, it's good news, it's a good move. But I think it also, what it says, the signal it says to everyone is that she's very much good to go in terms of being a, you know, being an option this season. And you're not that far away from it becoming the cliched sort of. And it's also like a new sign and Liverpool achieve what they achieve last season, a great deal of it, actually, without Leanne. So, you know, I think that that's when we talk about some of the outs in there as well. It's worth saying that last season, you know, you can talk about where Mel Lolly does or doesn't get a games or Vanden Sands and does or doesn't get a games. But whatever that amasses to, it's reasonable to expect Kean and to be able to match if not to pass that time on the pitch from a Liverpool point of view. And they were playing, you know, broadly speaking in attack. So, you know, I think it's good news. But I think I think the signal it sends is the best news in that if they'd have had any doubts or if they'd have had serious, you know, at least sort of semi-serious doubts, they wouldn't be doing it. We've seen enough of this Liverpool set up to know they're absolutely ruthless. So, the fact that it hasn't happened, I think suggests that they're expecting a golden big season from it. Yeah. It's just what we're seeing, Neil, isn't it? Just goals, goals, goals. The reason to get down to St. Helens. Speaking of St. Helens, we've got final pre-season game this Sunday, which is against Emerson, you know, so hopefully we get a home derby win. That'll be nice, wasn't it? I don't know if that was since it says you're out of witness. That's how long it is. Oh, yeah. But, yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how our settle business in St. Helens, you know, effort about that is new for everyone, you know, so around the ground and in the ground. So, yeah, it's still available to other people that wouldn't have come to a blue zone red. So, you know, it should be good because I actually see some football. Yeah, totally wicked. That's what the stadium was called when we saw the announcement. And I was pretty disappointed when I found out that my bar line couldn't be emissanders at the totally wicked stadium because if it was, I would be there every week, but apparently that breaks BBC rules. You'd have the teachers saying totally wicked emissanders. I just think it's totally wicked. Yeah, so anyway, get down to the game because it will be totally wicked, hopefully, if people will win. It is exciting. It's new facilities, new surroundings. A lot, I know we've discussed this at the end of our season, but a lot of flexibilities that come with that in terms of, you know, looking kind of brand it a little bit more in the way that they want to. And, yeah, in terms of marketing, I think they feel that there's more to offer from actually experience. So, yeah, I suppose this is the trial run, see what they can do first game. Obviously, Derby as well, so it's a good one to open up to and sort of set the scene before the season starts. And then, obviously, when the season starts, you know, it's not too long. I think it's a couple of weeks before we're off to Anfield for local Manchester City. So, yeah, some good match days to look forward to early on in the season at different venues. I think where the club can kind of put on lots of different things and make it a good occasion, I suppose. Yeah, I mean, Neil, that's the big possibility we've got to go to this season. We've got three games at Anfield this year now, which is, you know, democracy's half for a while. So, again, this is trying to get bigger crowds, getting, you know, playing the biggest days, which is what Arsenal and Chelsea do, and it's building that fan base up. Yeah, I think one of the key things, you know, I'm glad I think that the season ticket is a good idea. From the Anfield point of view, the Hatrick ticket is a good idea from the Anfield point of view. I think they need to open more of the ground for it, because they need to give people the opportunity to go into different parts of the ground and have different experiences. Hopefully that'll happen if they, you know, if they shift the requisite numbers in the doing it one stage at a time. But I think that the, for me, it isn't just the idea of playing three in Anfield. I think it's playing three at a full Anfield and being really clear with people about the fact that you can return. This is the date of the next game and going from there. And then also being really clear about the fact that you can go to the game at St Helens as well, and this is how you do that, and this is how this works. I think that the shift that I think Arsenal have led is the idea that it's perfectly fine for the crowd to be different. I think that's a really important sort of piece of learning for the whole league really. And as part of the sort of the wider step towards what was, and still I think is getting cold new coat around the WSL, I think that that remains just a, I think it remains something that needs to be, so it needs to be acknowledged and worked with, but not necessarily constantly within. I think you can work both with it and you don't have to just feel as though you're absolutely stuck by it. But I think it's an important shift from where we were sort of eight, nine years ago. And I think it's one which, as I say, I feel as though on the whole, it'll carry more weight. But then from there, then you need to make sure that you've given people positive experiences and you're given them reasons to return. The first and best way to do that is by playing Snacks before Paul right away. And also winning whichever team have been supported, but just in general as well, the standard of football on display being what you wanted to be. But also making sure you've got the follow-up communications to sort of say to people, right, you went to that one, but now there's this one. And even if you can't necessarily get to this one at St Helens, this, you know, almost being in touch with people in terms of how they get on, and things like that is something that occurred to me recently, making that easier for people as well, how to see highlights. Just being really clear on that, it's almost the communication around it's got to be almost everything. You've got to give people a pathway into everything and then let them find the pathway that they want rather than the way in which I think it's being, which is the ticket part, very much focuses on the ticket part. I think that for instance, there'll be nothing wrong with, you know, pushing through people who bought tickets, sending them match reports of games that they haven't been able to attend. And as I say, sending them the links, therefore, to watch the highlights and things like that. I think that that's almost got to be the next, the next sort of step of this in order to keep people involved and engaged over the course of the campaign, along with people like us doing things like this and sending that around as well. But I think what's important is acknowledging that the audiences will be crossover, but they also can be different between the men's game and the women's game, and as I say, I think that that's, if you want to talk about Arsenal and Chelsea in particular, and especially Arsenal have done really successfully, I think it's that Chelsea have gone down a slightly, not different path, but obviously haven't been quite as focused on the idea of getting as much of a pull into Stanford Bridge, not least because I think the previous managers didn't really like it very much. And so, you know, I think that, but I think that all the managers almost need to swallow that and say that the best thing that can happen is that everyone can play in front of as many people as possible. And if we can keep doing that and do that more often, we've done three this year, we're going to do three this year. If we can get to five the year after, and then seven the year after that, then it's not that much of a leap then to eleven. Yeah, I think that's the way it's going to go, and while it's, you want the competitive advantage of how, you know, which Lippel did with Prince and Park, it's still a very young league, and it's still about growing the league as well and growing awareness to get more eyes on it, because more eyes on it means more people watching it, which means it grows naturally then, that's how you generate more money into it. Yeah, although it's an interesting debate, because actually, you know, when we use Chelsea in Arsenal, those two examples, they are completely different in the way that they've approached it, as Neil says, but Chelsea's nearly from a financial decision. Obviously, yes, I agree. Emma has pushed in terms of she liked the King tomato side of it as well. But Chelsea are undergoing a whole new sort of commercial identity around the women's team where they've literally employed like a new marketing team. There's obviously a debate there that that's partly to sort of work the finances into different positions in order to help the men's team. There's an argument there, but certainly from a women's point of view, what they're trying to do is they're charging full price for tickets at Samford Bridge. You know, they're charging 30, 40 quid to go and watch the women's team at the Samford Bridge. Some people might not want to do that. So therefore, you then getting scenarios where you might only get 20,000 as opposed to the 60,000 Arsenal will get by selling slightly cheaper tickets. So there's pros and cons to both, because Chelsea see it as a business model where they want to be sustainable. So they want to get to a point where they're then making a profit. And then when they then make a profit, they can reinvest in terms of other things and then build towards getting a full stadium, but having already set the precedent of your paying, you know, 40 pound for tickets. So it's a different business model, whereas Arsenal obviously are prioritising what I think we're probably all in agreement with, which is the reach and the audience for women's football at this stage. They're sort of going by it there first and going, OK, we build a fan base and we build something that people want to come back to, then we can start charging what, you know, we think they think it's worth. So it's two completely different modules there in terms of like the way that they look at things. But I think, yeah, I think Liverpool are probably of the mindset of Arsenal, where, you know, it's about building, building bums on seats. But again, with the view for it being financial. So I think there's a hesitancy, for example, to just, let's say, just open up the whole stadium, because by opening up certain parts, obviously, that costs money. So that's why they're doing it in stages so that they can fill out a sound and go, OK, but that will not move on. Now we open up the next part. So Liverpool are probably across between the two. So it's a really interesting discussion that all clubs are having. The new takeover company is having, and I think each club is doing it slightly differently. So it'd be interesting to see just how Liverpool do, but I really like the idea of picking three teams at a geographically close. Therefore, you're targeting an audience that, you know, can travel geographically makes a lot of sense. And all three are also kind of natural rivals or opponents of the men's team. So there's already that kind of conscious, I suppose, rivalry already existing in people's minds when they come to our field to watch the women play against Manchester City, Manchester City and Everton. So, yeah, it's three big ticks for me. And as Neil says, hopefully we can move towards then increasing to five games and build seven games and then hopefully 11. Yeah, I hope that I'll be with. That's all I need. I'll be quite concerned. I'll be quite concerned, but it's good. It's good. It's good. It's last. It's not. It's not like it's the game where I'm field. It being last, I think helps in that regard, you know, I'm pleased the Derby is last. I think there's, I think on it, if it had been just the Derby, you'd have been pulling your hair out. I would like them to have not done the Derby and to be honest, because I think you can not leave because it would also be interesting to see what would actually happen at the new stadium. If they were to do the, like, for instance, what does it look like? We don't know what, how many they're going to get into the new stadium. But for instance, does that help the new stadium become a sellout? Can you almost do it that way where you have three before then? And almost like your aim is to see, can you sell that because it's the last home game? Can you sell that one out and go from there? And then build that momentum into the following season. And I also just think you're in a situation where it is genuinely like it's the greatest day on earth for the Everton players. And it's a weight on the back of the Liverpool players. And I think that's one where I would bear the sporting in mind. I also think there's something interesting that they'll need to discover at some point as to what happens when it is Leicester. Coming to play it on field. And almost sort of delaying on that and going from there. So in an ideal world, I'd rather they hadn't picked a Derby. I can see the logic and the two Manchester ones. I can see the logic and everything don't get me wrong. But I can see the logic and the two Manchester ones. But what does it look like if it's the last home game of the season? And it's also the second to last home game of the season. And it's a small aside, but Liverpool have got something to play for. How many can we get into Anfield then and what does that look like? And at some point we've got to do that bit of learning. I'd have liked it to have been this season. But I'm not saying I don't understand why they picked Everton. I just hate it. Yeah, I completely agree on that point about the competitive knock on note. That was something I did look at and think, you know what, that's interesting because the last couple of dabbies. Have been early on in the season. And I think that is in the home dabbies. But the fact that it is later on this season. It has been in the back of my mind that actually that could have a bearing on sort of local's finish in the season. The cousin dabbies have always been a bit more close and competitive because it's generally something right on it. It's always been the cousin dabbie near the end of the season. Yeah, exactly. And I would have preferred that this time around as well. But it's the other way around this year. I think I need to have a little bit of fictions again. But yeah, it feels it just feels it's a lot later. It is. It's Maggie. It's May 25th. You know, it's literally, you know, it's May 25th at the minute. The week before they've got Tottenham in the home. And you just sort of want to cut it because you just have that one one way or another. I'm not quite sure whether or not there's a potential clash with the men's team, which I know the reasons on the 4th of May. But the men's team, if I remember rightly off the top of my head, are away at somewhere like Aston Villa that weekend. So they can sort of have a level of certainty around that. They might be that the week before they're not. But, you know, these things can be arranged and we know conversations are harder. I think I think that Liverpool ultimately want to put them aside to our Vietnam field. I just sort of disagree with it. Because as I say, it's it'll be brilliant when they do win one. And I think it'll feel like a real weight off. But until that happens, I think they'll be. I think it's just psychologically really hard for these players. Now, the idea is that the one, one or at least, well, two, but at least one of the earlier games in Anfield. So the idea of the winner Anfield is under their belts. I just think that last year, you know, it was a great example of they were much better than ever in the 15 minutes. They don't score. And then it's almost like the weight of everything is just too much. And ever just begin to really enjoy themselves. And it was a never the side that the table at the end of the season shows wasn't as good as Liverpool. But they really got to enjoy their day at Anfield in a way which to me suggested they understand need. Because guess what? They really do. And not just because they're ever turning, but because they're humans. And I think that Liverpool are just hanging themselves out to a needly, horrible, noisy side derby. Where Nell Nell is a great result forever because he keeps the hoo-doo of Liverpool not winning, coming. And it makes Evans mind up and they can just sit in and play for a Nell Nell. And then guess what? They'll get a chance at some point on the break. If they score it, it'll feel like there's a mountain to climb. But it's been because they never told Nell. Let's be clear. Speaking of the very needly human, I don't think that's true. So, you both mentioned NUCO, which for listeners who are unaware is this is the first season where the WSL and the Championship are no longer under the control of the FA. It's now run by a company called NUCO, so a bit like how to plan your leagues until the entity. So, what are they saying to expect from them? And what do we realistically expect from them? I think they're adults. I don't know what they are. Shameless article plug. Literally. Just written something. It's taking me about four hours a day. It's going out on Wednesday if you're listening to this. So, while we're recording it, that's the next day. Yeah, it's complicated. It's actually not called NUCO now. They have changed their name in the last couple of weeks to women's professional leagues limited. That is also another temporary name. Roles of the talent. Yeah, so WPLL is how they're referred to. So, we've gone from unnamed takeover company to NUCO to WPLL. And that will change again when they've decided what the new name is. So, all very fun and exciting rollercoaster. Yeah, lots going on, but not much really being said, I think it's probably fair to say. I think they're still forming the company. So, there's certain roles that still haven't been filled. They literally only started about four weeks ago in terms of the official process of the takeover. So, for the last year and a half, it's basically been doing the legal documentation of actually handing over from the FA and also getting all clubs in the top two tiers of English, women's football to basically sign up to it. So, it's club owned. It's independent from the FA. But there is a board that the FA sit on, the Premier League sit on. And I can't say too much because it's under embargo. There's certain elements of both of those companies which will be helping, basically. But, aside from that, it is essentially an independent company of its own. So, within that, there's obviously lots of challenges in that they've got to try and get everyone on board to make decisions around scheduling, around broadcast rights, around ownership. So, you know, you've got a load of, let's say, independent owners within both tiers. Some of them are like, "Well, I don't like what you're trying to do here." And if they don't like it, they're not going to pump money into it. So, they've got to basically try and prove to all of these club owners that there's something worth investing in and that they're going to make some money out of it. But, obviously, at the start, there is no money. So, I think it could be a long process from what it sounds like. But, yeah, they're kind of in the early stages. I think the priority is the fact that broadcast deal runs out next season. They signed a one year contracts extension with BBC in Sky Sports for this season so that there is money coming in to the league, but also that, obviously, the games have been shown on TV. So, that's obviously the priority is to make that next step for next season, get that in place. And also to try and find a sponsor for the Women's League Cup. You know, the fact it's called the Women's League Cup now, and it was called the Country Cup. And the group stages for that starts in the second of October. So, time is running out on both of those fronts. So, without being able to say too much more, they're probably the two priorities at the moment. It's a general perception. I think there's more money around than there is. I think that because what happens is that whenever there is a deal stroke, set the last TV deal, there was a desire, obviously, from the people who were putting the money into actors, though it was megabucks. And that sort of offered the perception that there was suddenly megabucks around the women's game. There was some really interesting stuff from Swiss Ramble who broke down where money was or wasn't going. Over the summer for the women's teams, where he could, he had to make some guesses in some places because not a similar to men's football. And in fact, in part, I think because of men's football, it's remarkably opaque at times to see where the money flows. We still, only through really the work of Emma, do we get any sense of a hint of transfer fees? It's not to know when near the set. It's much important to the public domain, for instance, in that area, as there is in the men's game. I think it remains, that sort of stuff, therefore, makes sort of commentary on it a little bit difficult. But I think it's really important for people listening to this just to have a real awareness. There is not lots and lots of cash sloshing around the women's game. The teams at the top, as Swiss Ramble demonstrated, are massively subsidised by the men's team. And there's a lot of people who are trying to talk a certain game around support to women's football, who try to act as though it's much more of a financial thing than it is. And as I say, that's not necessarily even talking anybody down. I just think it's an important thing to remember. It does not cost that much to share, to sponsor the front of a bottom half of the USL women's team. It generally does not cost that much money at all to do that. I don't want to say how much I know that once someone's paid for, but it is less than the price of a terraced house is what I would say. And I think so, I think that this remains the issue. There will need to be, obviously, the TV deal that Emma's talking about. But I think that the overall flow, I think, needs to end up being greater. And that's why, when we're talking about these competing models earlier on, I think they are very, very interesting in terms of where it can end up. But I think it is something which, and that is the same one I said before. I very much do think that the men's teams in question should be subsidised in the women's game because I think there's a long-standing issue, really, with what happened to the women's game in this country from 1921 until 1971. I think it's worth acknowledging that and that that should be there. But what I'd actually argue is that should, therefore, be a much more formalised process. So it doesn't come down to the grace and favour of each individual men's club as to how much they are or are prepared to put in. But instead, for instance, when the men are negotiating a TV deal or the men's teams negotiating a TV deal, there's a set figure that is good, for instance, move that way. Between now and in lieu of when the other thing happens, and I think that the campaign around equality of payments round by round for the FA Cup is one that I would genuinely sort of throw my weight behind. I think that there's no reason not to do that at this stage with where the FA Cup is. You know, a lot of that, therefore, doesn't require men's teams down the pyramid to suffer or struggle. It requires the idea of the being a more sort of balanced approach to that side as well. And then elsewhere, I think in general, it needs some sort of big thinking. And I look forward to reading them as piece around it, really. But one of the problems with all of it is that it just always ends up so secretive. And it always ends up, as I say, so opaque. But part of the reason, as I say, why I think it's opaque is because no one wants to say people get an X. You think it's worth X times 10. And in reality, it's actually just worth X. Or what it's worth is separate to what's actually being paid. And then the journey that money goes on is exceptionally stretched. So I think it's I think it remains a challenge. I think that is beyond what currently gets put into the public domain or the way in which people act. Yeah, yeah, I agree on the on the. Communication, it's bit club with sort of a little bit cluck and diagon for me. Unless you know, unless you know someone, you know, looking, I know you ever otherwise. You generally would just, you find out on the day, I would bought this person. Yeah, but even like in the grand the context of, I wouldn't, you wouldn't know the club as a financial. No, you don't, you know, yeah, you get a sense of it. You get a sense of it, but even there, then what I get another issue becomes, well, you do find out if a women's clubs in financial trouble, because what's actually realistically the case is the men's arms in financial trouble and they're taking it out on the women's aspect. And I had this two or three very recent examples of that. And this is back to this got to be the way to to encourage the women's teams to be able to be, you know, the flip side of this is though you don't want something. This is the other part of why this is an ongoing and it's complicated arguments. And the, you know, the county reviews very interesting for it just throws up a lot of questions, but it can't always give answers because of where the conflicts are. You know, I've got tons of sympathy for Karen through the process that she went through, where, for instance, you know, the idea of simply time slots and things like that are exceptionally complicated. And, you know, she can make a recommendation, but finding the way to do that is different from making a recommendation in real terms. You know, I think that there's something in this idea of what you get to find out when, but also where the reliance is and whether or not it should be reliance and what you do about that in a wider sense. It's such a funny thing that there's so much. We mentioned my book, my book touches on this. There's so much money in football in this country. Yeah. But what we can't therefore argue for though is that in some areas, there needs to be less in terms of the total. It's actually a conversation about where they get to distribute it to. And that's actually just a conversation about will. It's not really competent. There doesn't need to be any more that we everywhere. Everything could do with more money. It certainly couldn't do with less, but there needs to be will about where it's going to go. But I think part of how you get the will is you also get it through the transparency, but we also don't want a situation where effectively, it might suit us as Liverpool people, but we don't want a situation where the top six in the women's league is exactly the same as the top six in the men's league. And there's not much that you can do about that. That is not actually a good place to be for the idea to grow in the game. And then within that we don't want, or we shouldn't want some people might, but we shouldn't want the whatever the WPLL to end up effectively just being like. It like the Premier League and doing things exactly the same way. And I think that that that is such a difficult and complicated conversation, not least because there are other people who are at the top of the WPLL or top wide to the WSL. Who were able to say, well, we're currently putting in five million a year, which we are. We're currently subsidizing this to the tune of five million a year. So we do want more say and we do want more control and we do want this and we do want this. But part of the reason why they're doing that is there's a variety of reasons why they may be doing that. I think I think I don't envy anyone who's really involved in it in that. I think there's lots of aspects to a time to get on television and talk it all up. But then you're almost complicit therefore in not therefore being able to say, well, actually partners aren't giving as much money as you think they are. It's a really, really difficult thing to have an honest conversation about. And Emma knows more about it than me. So I shouldn't have spoken as long as she should have spoken for longer. No, it's difficult because, yeah, because I can't actually say too much now. So Neil's spoken a lot of stuff, which I probably couldn't really touch on. So that's, yeah, I'm nodding along. Hopefully you don't think I'm too far off base. No, I was nodding in a barcode agreement. That's a great phrase at barcode agreement. That's a good side of the side. Some might say this is good. So let's go back to the WSL, the actual season there. Emma, we've not seen your fantastic prediction email yet. When does that come out? Oh, God, you put me on the spot here. I'm right in that at the moment as well. Yeah, it's coming out no sweet. That's what I was saying. Well, we're going to try and get pretty good with them. So for your guys, who do you think of the runs and riders for like title, such European spots, and who are we thinking could struggle this year? I mean, outside looking in, they're listening to a lot of business. So you would think they would do better than they did last year. I think last year was a bit of disappointment for Aston Villa as a whole, but they do seem to have bought smartly, you know, and the dark items of their squads. But I'm assuming we're thinking it's over here. It's been a big fall that we don't expect. I think the top three is definitely Chelsea and Manchester City Arsenal. I think in the order of perhaps Manchester City's champions this year, I just can't see them missing out on another year. They were quite come to be the best playing team, in my opinion, last season. And I think they threw it away. You know, they obviously lost on goal difference. Chelsea just completely. It was just ridiculous really what they were able to do in terms of goals growing in the last two games, obviously winning eight nil and the penultimate weekend, literally won them, the WSL title. Crazy. But I do think this year could be Manchester City's year. I think they've had a fantastic transfer window. Some of the players they brought in is ridiculous to an already strong squad and they've got Jill Rawd, who was obviously out with an ACL injury to come back in. And she is one of the best players in the world. So I think City might just edge it, but you look at the Chelsea squad and it's absolutely ridiculous as well. They've got Sam Kurtz come back as well from an ACL injury. They've also strengthened in the market. Sonja Bumpasta, the new manager, I think is unbelievable manager. I think, you know, people talk about obviously losing Emma Hayes, quite clearly one of the best managers in the world, but Sonja Bumpasta is one of the best managers in the world, phenomenal coach. So very excited to see what they can do, but I do think City might just edge it. And I think Arsenal will miss out again, because I just think City and Chelsea look more consistently, look more solid. The depth, for me, looks better. And I just think they've got better coaches, I'm being honest. And then in terms of teams that might struggle, I think West Hammering are in trouble. And I say this with a week to go, well, not even a week, three or four days to go, the transfer window. They need a lot. They need to do a lot. I don't think they'll get what they need. I think they're in trouble. And I think, sadly, we're in a position where the team's coming up. It's such a big, big step that I think Crystal Palace will struggle like Crystal City did last season. So, for me, they're the two that are going to be near the bottom, I think. West Ham pulls some money out there is and start investing and bringing in some players. Yeah, that's where I sort of see the top three and then the bottom two. And then I think the middle, I mean, I can't call it at the moment, I've tried to write it and I just think it's ridiculous. I think, obviously, local squads, good Manchester United have, for me, had one of the best transfer windows of the entire league, the players that they brought in, right, and have brought in some serious talent. The villa have done well. Yeah, I can't choose between any of them. And then you've got Tottenham there as well. So, yeah, I think it'll be an interesting middle table as well, I would say. Yeah, I mean, it's just my beg the nail, are we looking more for trying to maintain or improving the points sort of last year? But if it's me, I know it sounds very binary, but a couple of it would be nice. Yeah, I think that should be what Liverpool are looking at this season from what Emma's just said the way she's described it. I think if Liverpool can hold themselves close to the top of the bottom, fourth or fifth. I think the other thing that's going to happen, the top of the middle, sorry, the other thing that's going to happen here a little bit as well as I think there's going to be, I think the momentum is going to matter for those sides in the middle. Liverpool last season, I think, are a demonstration of getting some. I'm feeling like you're in a groove and it's going well. We need to accept that it's possible that doesn't happen this season from a Liverpool point of view, but they've still got to therefore battle through those moments a little bit. The golf between three and four, I think, is just it's just enormous and it becomes difficult to, you know, to imagine how you do it, especially off the back of a quietish summer. And I think that Emma's spot on on the golf between probably 11 and 10. And then what that therefore says is that there's two sides that almost every single time they step onto the pitch, certainly if they're playing away from home, they're going to get whacked. And I think that that's what you're going to see a bit of this season. Then what I think you're going to see is a lot of hotly competitive matches between the sides who find themselves in the gap. It sounds really reductive to say this, but let's reduce. It would be nice for Liverpool to get off to a strong start with that home game against Leicester and then the away game against West Ham because the reason why is because they are two of the most winnable games Liverpool get all season. They haven't got the room to slow start Liverpool. Because what they don't want to do is end up feeling at the bottom of the middle because that's where they could get dragged into something where it all feels a bit hard and a bit sad and a little bit tricky. I think you just don't want to be sad. So I think you're looking at those sorts of early games from a Liverpool point of view. You know, it's two ways, but if they could find a way to seven points off the back of it and then not that far away from Crystal Palace at home as well, at which point then there's a pathway through to 10. And you never know quite what happens in the game and I'm feeling against City. I'm feeling there's other factors as well. And then there's amazing side derby on the horizon. And I just almost feel as though from Liverpool's point of view when the point of there to be had before games and then against the better sides. If you realize you're coming up against them on a day where you can get something. I think Liverpool just got a snaf on the points whilst they're there this season and that's how they managed to stay up fourth or fifth. If they don't snaf all the points when they're there, that's how it could be, it could be come 9th or 10th or it could be come 9th or 10th by Christmas and we're all a bit like, well, this feels like a massive backward step. And they might not be playing that much worse in the round. They might, you know, the standard of football might not be that much worse than it was last season. It might just be that a little bit of luck's gone missing and grabbing opportunities has become a little bit tougher. And I think that what they don't need. One of the things that really helps last season is at no point do Liverpool feel the scoreboard pressure the league table. So when opportunities are there to be grabbed, they're able to grab them. And that's why I think start well so important. I think if Liverpool start well, I think it's quite straightforward to imagine how they get to fourth or fifth. I think if they start badly, as I say, there's every chance that you're talking about 9th and 10th and as all feeling like this isn't good enough when, as I say, it might not be that much difference. When you've got a thing as well, when you say they're new about how you can quickly get to 10 points, local finish with 41 points last season and finish fourth and the table. So if you can get 10 points in the first five, six weeks, you're a quarter of the way through what you were last season. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, because I mean, but I know what Neil's saying about the result class here. A lot of results were great, but they were like two ones, three twos, you know, it only takes two to have been draws quite, you drop them a lead quite quickly. So, I mean, just for listening, you might not be sort of aware of it's a last season, just to be really clear, Chelsea with the league on gold difference is fascinating. Chelsea with the league on gold difference 53 city second 46 Arsenal third 33 Liverpool fourth eight. Man United fifth 10 and then no one else is positive. Tottenham are minus five and everyone else is minus double figures. Bill of 16, Everton 13, Leicester finished 10th on 19, then you got Brighton on 22, 25 and Bristol Westam and Bristol go down with 50. This is the point Liverpool Liverpool's wins will be will be one goal wins much of the time. The aim is to when when those are there to be grabbed, it's grabbing them. But as I say, I think he could have it's brief, could have it's on that, but they also take the pressure off. It means that for instance, if you're, you know, was to sort of extend through this this season run. I don't know who Tottenham have gotten the first three, but Liverpool is the third one and if Liverpool go to Tottenham and it's nail nail with 20 to go and top them haven't got a win yet. Maybe Tottenham are feeling a bit riskier, a bit edgier, a bit more pressure, at which point Liverpool could then sneak up the other end snatch one. And then from Liverpool, it feels like a massive away when but part of what happened is Tottenham have felt pressure that Liverpool haven't felt. And I think that happens last season for the Reds. And in the end, I think part of why they overtake United is United just got themselves into this situation where it was all a bit hard and all a bit sad and a bit miserable. Nothing was going for them and Liverpool. Things were going well. Things felt good. They felt upbeat. You know, the results against Chelsea felt possible for Liverpool in a way that I don't think it ever quite did for Manchester United at that period. And that that is what Liverpool need. They need to find a way to ride that tide again. Yeah, it's spot on spot on. So Emma, in the Liverpool squad, who do you want to watch? Oh, good question. I think Sophie Roman-Horg, because I think last season was the first season, we saw bits of what she could do, but I'm excited to see what she can do with kind of a really solid attacking squad around there, I guess. So people who can play offer, especially can really show up for hold-up skills a little bit more. Her aerial threat as well, like having more runners in behind, I think, will be really good. So, yeah, I'm kind of intrigued to see if she'll go up another level or whether just having players that play with her, you know, will bring out the best of them as well, playing alongside her. So, yeah, I'll probably say she's probably from my one to watch. Neil, do you want to watch? And that's a really good shout, and I feel ever so slightly like it was stolen from me, as we're going to go through. I think not in a dissimilar way, Marie Hobinger, I think now it's got a year of getting used to everyone. Sorry, Chris, we're doing this, we're doing this. It's got a year of getting used to it a little bit. I think it's in, she's managed a little bit last season. I will point out, and I mean, there's compliments, not as, you know, I think games are picked for a little bit more last season. There's a little less room for that part of Ken's going. It's an aspect of that. You know, I'm of the view that this is the year where she needs to just basically just be a part of fulcrum of that midfield sort of gaming game out, because she's got so much quality when you get around the final third. Cool. So, you both stole my ones. I'll just say, Jim, I've honored because he has that normally solves and walks problems. Well, I'm intrigued to see what's going to happen with London guards this season, and that does now you think there's going to be a bit more pressure on her to step up a year to acclimatize really quite limited time on the pitch. I think she's interested in it also looks like she's got a lot of quality when she gets to delivery, gets time to deliver the ball. I think me and Emma were saying, before she got ridged, she looked basically, you could see the advantages of Melwood, because she looked physically stronger. As in, to play where she looked more like a natural six, which is not a bad thing, because it's kind of what Liverpool could do with someone who can do that job, but still has technical abilities that she does. So, I think she just gave us something a bit different, and it was a shame really, because she was just getting into a bit of flow, which picked up at the injury, which is a bit of a fortunate for her, because she finally got a break, a break into the squad. But unfortunately, injuries could help the season. So yes, she's also the one to keep an eye out for. Cool. Right, so before we go then, obviously, Emma, you've got to go about five articles coming out, and even the things you need to check out for yourself. And the rest, just loads, loads of content, WSL season cracks on from the 20th of September, so I am working all hours just to get loads of stuff out, and then hopefully have a quieter time, not sober. So, yeah, there's loads coming out, basically, across the website. Obviously, it focuses on the transfer window, so deadlines on Friday, so just if you can bear it, watch me, listen to me, and read about what I'm saying. Don't read about me, read about what I'm saying. Just make sure that you follow BBC website and also Emma's Twitter handle. Emma Sandey? Emma's called Sandey. I'll get it right eventually. Well, they get hacked last week, so it was called something else, but yeah. Cool. And Neil, obviously, please buy his book. Yes, please, buy a buy ticket to his events. Yes. You've got one in Liverpool, one in Belfast, one in Edinburgh, and one in London. Yes, do that. That'll be fabulous. If you can buy the book, even if you think about buying it as a Christmas present, just buy it for the before. Pre-ordered it before the 26th of September in this country, so it counts towards the total for week one, which is when we're trying to get as high in the chart as possible, with my eyes still being solely on number one. So, yes, before the 26th, or on the 26th, is the aim. It's a big deal. It's mad. So, Chris, get the book for his Christmas. Just to tell you, no surprise, you get a book for your Christmas. There you are. That's what I want. I mean, don't buy one, maybe buy four or five and many presents out there. Don't be shy. It's what everyone's always wanted. It looks nice. Yeah, it does look good. Cool. Right. So, on that happy note, then, we'll speak to you all very soon. Please like, please subscribe, please follow Neil and Emma's stuff. 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