The BYU Cougars reignite their historic rivalry with Wyoming Cowboys this Saturday, sparking excitement and tension among fans. Can Wyoming's new head coach Jay Sawvel turn the tide after a rocky start?
This episode breaks down the key matchups, including Brigham Young University's (BYU) formidable defense against Wyoming's struggling offense. We discuss the impact of missing players like Harrison Waylee and John Michael Gyllenborg on Wyoming's performance as well as the absence of LJ Martin and Hinckley Ropati for BYU. Plus, we revisit unforgettable moments from past BYU-Wyoming clashes, such as the iconic 1996 WAC Championship game.
Our guest, Coduy Tucket, offers unique insights into Wyoming's coaching transition from Craig Bohl to Jay Sawvel, highlighting Sawvel's player-friendly approach and its effects on team morale. We also explore the strategic adjustments Wyoming might need to overcome their offensive penalties and how Jay Hill and BYU's defensive strategies could exploit these weaknesses.
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Today's show is brought to you by our friends over at FanDul, now through September 22nd, all FanDul customers who have $5 and get a three-week free trial of NFL Sunday Ticket via YouTube and YouTube TV, visit FanDul.com to get started today. With that offer. Alright, please welcome in now Cody Tucker from 72/20 Sports and Cody, I want to start off by talking a little bit about this rivalry because as I mentioned, it's the third most played in BYU football history, the Cowboys and the Cougars got a long history against one another. How excited are you for these two to be getting back together inside War Memorial Stadium on Saturday? Well, Jake, thanks for having me, man, I appreciate it. This one's always fun, I think a lot of Wyoming fans would still consider even though Wyoming hasn't played BYU in a long time and definitely with no consistency, Colorado State's kind of 1A and 1B with BYU still to this day and it doesn't matter that we haven't met, doesn't matter that we haven't played, the venom is still very much alive over here. Now, obviously these are two fan bases that love to get after one another, so I'm looking forward to that environment obviously up there in Laramie, but I also wanted to ask you in terms of the transition from Craig Bull over to Jay Savel, I'm not going to lie, I've been kind of a closet Wyoming fan because I just love Craig Bull so much and he had a really, really good run up there in Wyoming, give me a sense just overall how the transition is gone as Jay Savel takes over for one of his mentors. Well, record-wise, obviously not very well so far, but I tell you what, Jay Savel, in my opinion, won the off-season 100%. A big knock on Craig Bull from a lot of people, mainly players, former players, was that he just wasn't a players coach and he was tough and he was a CEO and the kind of stuff he learned in his upbringing in Nebraska under Tom Osborne and Bob Devaney and guys like that. So he went with the CEO approach where he wasn't buddy-buddy and it wasn't how's your mom doing and how's everybody back home kind of stuff from what I understand and that doesn't make him a bad guy by any stretch, he's not. Everybody had a lot of respect for Craig, but Jay on the flip side, you know, during the off-season you could tell he let the social media team in more, they were able to do way more stuff. Craig did not play that stuff at all, did not do cameras, did not do, you know, I joke with him and say, "Man, when you ever going to do one of those awesome cheer-jerker videos where some kid gets a scholarship, you know, you've put more than 50 kids on scholarship that were walk-ons and that's really cool and that's another Nebraska trait he brought with him." And he said, "That's Hokie and it's fake." I'm not buying that either, but the other thing that he did, he does not let players wear the number one. Jay Salvel still isn't doing that, but Craig never let guys have names on the back of their jerseys and that was always something he wanted, that guys wanted. Jay came in immediately and is letting them do that and of course with an O&2 star now, the fans are like, "Oh, I know you're too worried about names on the back of jerseys instead of winning games," which of course is hogwash. But, you know, Jay is putting out videos of him putting up 350 in the weight room with his guys and he is a guy who asks how your mom's doing and tells you, you know, when I went on your recruiting visit, that was the best spaghetti I ever had in my life, stuff like that, that I really feel is meaningful to players, especially in today's age and, you know, let's face it, Jake Wyoming is not rolling around in the NIL cash. So you need to make it harder to leave a place like Wyoming because of the relationship you have with your coach and the relationship you have with the fan base. And I think it's going to be a lot harder and Wyoming hasn't been hit by the portal very hard the last two years, but I tell you, the first year it opened, they lost about 12 starters right off the bat. And every one of those guys talked about their lack of a relationship with Craig Ball, so I think he won the off season, I really do, you know, of course, fans aren't happy right now and they're not going to be happy. I know one thing that will make them happy, however, and will turn the frown upside down and that's beating BYU. There couldn't be a better opponent to turn things around if they can do it. Now, obviously you referred to the rough start to the season. Oh, and two, I watched that game against Arizona State and I was floored at just the way that Wyoming played in that game because it was kind of just the antithesis of what I've seen from Wyoming over the last few years, but I had a chance to go back. I didn't watch the entirety of the Idaho game, but it showed a, I felt like a better fight from the team, even though they lost to the Vandals and that's obviously an upset loss because they're an FCS program speaking of Idaho. But give me a sense for just how things are as they get ready to host BYU on Saturday at 0 and 2. Great question. I mean, the sky's falling around here if you go on social media for five minutes and, you know, there's reason to believe the sky's falling in some ways. But I tell you in the locker room, the message is, hey, first of all BYU's coming to town. That's a way to cure some ills real quick and make these first two games kind of forgettable and put them in the rear view even further. And they haven't played any Mountain West games yet, which of course, you can still win your conference. I haven't gone into conference play yet, but, you know, and that's a nice thought, but after what we've seen these first two games, it's kind of hard to have a lot of belief that that's something that's going to happen. You know, you talk about the Craig Bowl era and the transition over to Jay Savelle. Something that has not transitioned is Wyoming was one of the most disciplined teams on planet Earth under Craig Bowl. They already have 16 penalties through two games and they have been costly bonehead penalties, the kind that just make you rip your hair out. And also the defense, you know, has been on its heels a little bit and he's first is especially in Tempe. I mean, it just, what that game was even competitive. I mean, the last week got better, but they went through a 10 minute low where they let Idaho score a couple of times and you just can't do that and it's hard to believe you lose to an FCS team at home in front of a sellout crowd when you hold them to one for 13 on third down, but that's exactly what happened. So there's not a ton of reason for belief as far as that goes and in the offensive line has been shoddy, the running game there without Harrison Waley, which is a killer. I mean, he's almost a thousand yard back last year in eight games. I think him has not been fun missing all conference tight. And John Michael Gillenborg has also taken away an easier outlet for Evan Saboto. So it's a, it's been really brutal so far, Jake. It really has and not a lot of reason for belief right now, but there were some positives, but you know, and maybe it's the pessimistic glass half empty part of me, Jake, where you're like, yeah, but it was against an FCS team. And that's nothing against I don't, nothing. They played a really good game. They have a really good defense. I think they're going to do some damage down there, but you don't lose it home to an FCS school. You don't lose at home when you have a seven game winning streak at home. You don't lose at home when it's sold out for the first time since 2011. You just don't do it. All right. I want to talk more specifically about the BYU versus Wyoming match up just players to know, et cetera. We'll dig into that momentarily. 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They had one chance at Arizona State in that second quarter to really right there in that second drive that I should say of the game to really write the ship after throwing a pick six. They started moving the ball, got the ball past midfield, boom, boom, two penalties in a row. And the next thing you know, it's another interception in the avalanches on so many opportunities to beat Idaho last week. They have the ball first in goal at the one-yard line, the ball starts. They end up kicking a 22-yard field goal. That can't happen. And that has really been a huge, huge issue so far. I want to say the Cowboys had 35 penalties all of last season. You know, they're already at 16. You can't do it, man. You can't have it. So the defense for BYU is definitely something that everybody has their mind on. You mentioned a little earlier that, you know, Ken Barnett gave up three sacks. To his credit spoke with him this week, he absolutely owned it. He knew that James Newby, the edge rusher for Idaho, he knew that Keishan had the snap count down. And on one play, even Jake, he blew around the edge in hammered Evan Zaboda. He was offside, but they didn't blow the whistle in time and he absolutely dropped Evan on his wallet and, you know, so technically, you know, not a fourth sack, but, you know, the damage was done in injury to insult the injury. Yeah, man, I just, I think BYU's defense is, you know, around here, everybody jokes about BYU's age, of course, because they're a lot older than Wyoming, to say the least. It was amazing in 2022, before that game in Provo, you looked and there were six guys that actually played against Wyoming in the 2016 point set a bowl. So much older than Wyoming, much bigger, much stronger, much faster in some cases. And that is definitely a concern for Evan Zaboda, who, you know, aside from Air Force's quarterback, which as your listeners, no Air Force runs an option, he's the only one saving from Evan, saving Evan from being at the bottom of the barrel in almost every single passing category in the country. Now, speaking about Evan Zaboda, he's got a connection to Utah, he played at Snow College down in E from before going to Wyoming. He is a big dude. Are they trying to essentially get back to the mold of getting the Josh Allen's of the world back at Wyoming at quarterback? Because Zaboda's 65, 245, 250, it looks like. Yeah, no, he's a huge human being, he's way bigger than Josh. And earlier this year in Bill's training camp, when the college football video game came out, he said, you know, yeah, I'm playing with Wyoming, of course, and they have a quarterback who can throw it over the mountain, and Evan can do that. We just haven't seen it yet. He's got a huge arm, he's ripped, they call him Drogo, he looks just like Drogo too. It just, you know, he wanted the number 17, he wanted to wear Josh's number, he makes no bones about it that he came to Wyoming a lot because he saw what happened with Josh's career trajectory starting in Laramie, and, you know, he's embraced that. But right now, you know, you know, it goes, man, the trolls are out in full force after an 0 and 2 start, especially when it's an 0 and 2 start like this, and people are demanding he gets rid of number 17 and quits wearing that number. So that's how that pretty much sums up how things have been around here for the last two weeks. You mentioned Harrison Waley has not been available this season, he was an electric running back last year in Northern Illinois transfer, I recall correctly, and how much his not being available affected this offense. You wouldn't think as much because Wyoming's ran a power game for so long under Craig Bull, and that was going to continue under J-Sawbell, but you can't deny it, man. He had a 65-yard touchdown run against Texas last year in Austin. He outraced their secondary with ease, I mean, so not many people can do that. So he's a really special back, they're really missing him, but to be honest with you, DJ Jones is a really nice back too, a transfer from North Carolina. The holes just haven't been there, and the few holes that have, you know, when you watch from the press box, you think Harrison might have broke that. He might have got out of that arm tackle and been gone, and that's something that just DJ hasn't been able to do yet. So they do have a nice stable of running backs, and Austin Gen T, of course, is the class of the Mountain West, but as far as an overall group goes, I would put Wyoming up against anybody else in this league. So with the healthy Harrison Waley, and that just hasn't been the case yet, obviously hurt his knee two weeks right before the season started and had to have a scope, so they're open to have him back by at least Air Force. Now the wide receivers and the overall receivers pretty balanced in terms of just the numbers across there. Who is the top wide out or top receiving option for Wyoming, in your opinion? You know, I don't have any problems saying it so far, and he didn't have a catch last week, which is still mind boggling to me, is Chris dirt Jr. He's a true freshman out of Chicago. He's not even on the depth chart, and I think that's more of a respect thing for the older guys that have been here, because this kid is electric. He had 12 catches for 121 yards in the spring game, caught the only touchdown in 10 P had three catches in that game. He came to campus at 143 pounds was an early enrollee. They said, man, you know, you've got a lot of talent. You've got the speed. You've got the skills. You need to show us. You need to put on at least 10 pounds, put on well over 10 pounds. He's now around 173 just in one off season. So really dedicated kid, really smart ahead of his time kind of guy. I think he's really special. And then you know, you have some old dogs like Will Pelisier, who's from Bighorn, Wyoming, a fan favorite, of course, and then Alex Brown, who's been here for six years, haven't seen enough out of those guys yet, and haven't seen, you know, with Alex Brown, just haven't seen enough out of him over his six years, he's 65, 200 pounds can fly, need more out of him, and they'll be the first ones to tell you that. So, you know, out of the wide receivers, those guys are your top targets, for the most part, there's a few other guys, but they're really missing John Michael Gillenborg. He's a 65, 245 pound tight end. All conference guy in the preseason, he's Evan Zabotas, a good friend, they're roommates. All we heard about was Andrew Peasley, joking last year about this connection between J Mike and Evan and how they have some weird thing going on, where they just, he always finds J Mike and 84 has not been in the lineup for these first two games. So the high ankle sprained, they're hoping to have him back for BYU. I think that's the plan. This kid has a future on Sundays, you can't downplay really how much they've missed him, but you know, Evan's been so off target and he hasn't had a lot of time in some points in games and just has not looked comfortable. And you know, you think if J Mike's in there, that's going to help a lot, but he's just, he's got to get better. He's got to get his reads have to be better, his footwork has to be better. He just doesn't look like he's having fun playing football and backyard football, like say, Sam Levitt from Arizona State, who was making his first start, and he looked more than comfortable. Idaho started their backup quarterback last week, Jack Wagner, he started the game eight for eight. And that's to me something the Cowboys need to do. They need to get Evan some easy throws early on and then let him at it. Flipping over the defense just for a moment. Wyatt Eckler's the name. I think most BYU fans would recognize just from having watched the Cowboys. They're coming in speaking to BYU without their top two running backs as well, both L.J. Martin as well as Hinkley O'Pottie have both officially been ruled out. That comes from offensive coordinator Aaron Roderick. What's the confidence level for Wyoming going up against the, let's be honest, a turnover prone, Jake Retsloff, a quarterback for BYU. That's the key, man. Wyoming's defense hasn't even come close to getting a turnover this year, and this is the time to do it. Retsloff's been giving it up way too much. I listened to Sataki talk in this week about it. He's given the ball up way too much and the Cowboys need to take full advantage of that. That could start with a guy like Wyatt Eckler, who's so good in the blitz game and he's good in coverage. He talked post game and something that's been a little troubling to me, Jake, over these first two games, is we haven't seen a ton of emotion. We haven't seen the look on guys' faces that I just lost to Idaho at home, and that's disturbing. We didn't show up in Tempe. I'm not seeing that kind of emotion that maybe I'm crazy. I'd be the one throwing helmets and being in the third row, but he showed some emotion after this game. He hit the podium. He raised his voice. He said, "We're not even close to being what we can be." They have nine starters returning on that side of the ball. We saw glimpses of what they can do, and I hate to keep preface in it this way, Jake, but it's against an FCS team at home with a backup quarterback. They went to sleep for 10 minutes in the first half of that game and let Idaho take control. Second half, held them off the scoreboard. Idaho didn't do much of anything, but Jason Bell will be the first to tell you they weren't conservative because they're an FCS team on the road and they're trying to milk that clock and get out of there with the W, and that's exactly what they did. Do you expect them, because obviously BYU, they're top two running backs, do you expect Wyoming to try and just sell out and make it so it's Jake Redsoft's got to win this game with his arm, essentially, and essentially hope that he is turnover prone. I would. I absolutely would, especially with their backups and, you know, and I'm sure they have a, I'm sure their third string running backs just fine. I think actually he's the guy who toasted Wyoming in 2022, if I remember correctly. It is Miles Davis who had a career high that day, yes, right? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We all know BYU's offensive line probably averages 700 pounds a piece and they're, you know, 35 years old. So you're going up against men. I mean, those men are going to move people and BYU's always been known to have the big nasty, big mean, you know, big fronts and that'll be nothing new. So yeah, that kid went nuts in 2022 in La Vellard Stadium. I believe even their, their tight end went nuts that day as well. Cowboys just can't allow that to happen. I see, you know, and they are a little young at the cornerback spot. They've had, they've had some troubles at the cornerback spot so far, but a guy, I would keep my eye on if I were you, a guy who has to have a big game. And that's defensive in Sebastian Horr. She's a guy who's just been earmarked is their best pass rusher. 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Join us on the "lockedon cougars insider" group. Final Stanza here with Cody Tucker from 7220 Sports. I heard you reference on the radio. You're on with DJ and PK to show that I produce on a daily basis for the KSL Sports Zone that you have seen over 300 Wyoming Cowboy football games in your life in the flesh. If you've been all over the country, it sounds like watching the pokes. I'm not going to lie. I'm jealous of what you've been able to experience. Well, I'm not good at math, Jake at all, as you can see. I'm probably the first guy on your show ever that's been wearing a slayer shirt, I'd imagine. And has a pot of flowers behind me. Okay, here's the thing. So, Connor, pay. B. Why are you starting center? He's a weekly guest on the podcast. You and him would get along. Gojira, slayer. He wears all those shirts when he's on my show with me all the time, so you're number two. Let's put it out. So, there you go. I'm impressed. All right. I didn't know if slayer made its way to Utah, just like I didn't know if internet had made its way to Wyoming yet, the way we've been losing each other here. But, I've been to a lot of games, man, a lot of great one, Ole Miss, A&M, Oklahoma State, Nebraska. You know, I've been to Provo probably nine times, and I've never left in a good mood. Never entered in a good mood or left in a good mood. You know, even though I'm a reporter now, I still got a lot of Wyoming in me that I can't seem to shake, especially when it comes to games like this in Colorado State. And next year, your buddies up north in Salt Lake are coming to Laramie, so we haven't forgotten you. Okay. If you were, in case you were worried, we haven't forgotten you. Well, I don't think BYU fans have forgotten at all either. I can put it this way. My grandfather and my dad have made many a trip to Laramie. I've been up there myself a couple of times to see games at War Memorial Stadium. It is an environment unlike many in college football. I truly think it's one of the last really good, true college football environments, literally in the country. So, my question for you is Barrowman still around? I don't think you have enough time today to go, but I actually went with Barrowman to a Boise State game, and I don't want some. Okay. But it was me, the barrel, and my girlfriend, and we had to put our beer in the barrel. Longest trip of my life. But yes, Barrowman is still kicking. I don't know if he's wearing the barrel anymore, but he's absolutely kung fu kicking. Okay. I like that. Now, you said you've watched BYU in Provo a bunch of times. Obviously, you've seen them come into War Memorial Stadium. They haven't played often over the past decade plus since BYU left the Mountain West Conference, but it still feels like there is a real rivalry field to this game coming up. Give me your sense from your perspective, does it still exist? For the fans, 100%, this game has been circled for a long, long time. I think a lot of us thought BYU would probably try and buy this game out and not come here. Same with Utah. The youths were supposed to come here in 2020, obviously, COVID wiped that out. They are still coming next year. You know, big credit to the ADs at both schools for doing that, because you certainly don't have to. Wyoming, I think, would always take that check and look elsewhere. But really excited to get BYU back in Laramie. I have some really fond memories. I have some really terrible ones. I was at the WAC Championship game in 1996 in Sandboyd Stadium. I don't mind telling you, I was a 12-year-old kid crying like a little girl in the parking lot after that one, and the hate was real. We'll put it that way, but in 1999, Wyoming absolutely hammered BYU under the lights in Laramie. That was a really good memory, and then squeaking one out in '13 to '10 in Joe Glenn's first year in 2003, tore down the goal post in both of those games. But the goal post from the '03 game, it's still above the bar, a couple of bars in downtown Laramie. Those field goal posts took a ride. But the more I think about 1988, I was so young, I don't recall that, but that's a game a lot of people point to. It was the first night game in warm Memorial Stadium history. I believe the Cowboys finished with eight or nine sacks that night. It was just dominant, and that's when the Cowboys won back-to-back WAC titles in those days. So it's kind of weird, Jake, you talked to different generations of fans, and some of them remember when BYU was a doormat, others really pointed to the black '14, and what a turning point that was for both programs, for the worst for Wyoming, for sure. And then you think about LaVell Edwards, and the plethora of quarterbacks. When Steve Young's your eighth quarterback on the roster, you're spoiled to death. And no offense to Mr. Redslab, but this is probably the first time in my life that BYU hasn't had a dude, like a legitimate dude under center that you're like, "Oh boy, hopefully they can stop that guy," and I'm talking BYU fans might not even think these guys are good, but I'm talking Doman and Fedorik and dudes like that that were maybe not even in the top 10 in anything in BYU history that were still really good quarterbacks. Well, see, and that's the thing about that. I was going to ask about those goalposts. I don't know if they were still around, so I'm actually very pleased to hear that they are still floating around Laramie, and I still remember obviously seeing that picture of the fans just marching them down Main Street there in Laramie, off into the night after that win. This is one of those rivalries that, like I said, I've watched many of these games. I've been privileged enough to go to a bunch of them, just growing up, obviously, because I went to BYU much like you grew up around Wyoming and everything, so it just feels like one of those games that's like, "You know what, this is a good game to have on the schedule." I agree. I agree. Unfortunately, it won't probably look like a lot of the old ones. The shootouts, like the '96 game, which was an instant classic, man, that it still breaks my heart to watch that, but what a classic, and those teams just would put it up. Steve Sarkeesian versus Josh Walwork, and really, the anger level after that game was unbelievable, because Wyoming didn't even get a bowl game. They played against what BYU was ranked fourth, I believe. They go to an alliance bowl, and they only lost to Washington that year, which Washington was the top 10 team as well. BYU has to take Wyoming into overtime, and Wyoming doesn't get a bowl game, and Utah does with four or five losses. That one sticks in the crowd, because the excuse we heard is so many Wyoming fans went to that black title game. There's only 600,000 people in the state, will they go to a bowl game as well? That team was so beloved, yes, they would have gone to a bowl game, and the fans would have gone, and let's be real. That team just deserved a bowl game. Those guys ended their career. A lot of guys, Marcus Harris, Bulletnikov, winter ended his career that night against BYU in overtime. Crazy stuff. Looking forward to this Cody, I appreciate you carving out some time to talk with me. Like I said, I hope that BYU goes back to Laramie at some point. I know there's a lot of people who believe it might be the last time they go up there. I sincerely hope not, because I think this is one of those true rivalries that should be enjoyed by all parties. I agree. These youngsters have no idea, but they're about to find out on Saturday. They are no doubt about that. Well, Cody, thanks again for the time, man. Thanks, Jake. Appreciate you as always. All right, that's Cody Tucker. I'm Jake Hatch. A big thank you for joining us here on Lockdown Cougars, making it your first view or listen of the day. And obviously, a big thank you to all of you who we like to call every dayers as well. Until tomorrow, we do a full look at what to expect from Wyoming and BYU and also catch up with BYU wide receiver Cody Epps. That's all tomorrow right here on Lockdown Cougars. A Prime members, you can listen to this Lockdown podcast ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Five-hour energy shots give you the feeling of alertness and energy you need to get in the zone and get things done. With zero sugar, a convenient portable size and coming in several flavors like watermelon tropical burst or my personal favorite grape, it's exactly what you need to get through the day. 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