Hello, Gabby here, chief editor, producer, primary host, etc. The many hats I wear. I'm also sick this week, so sorry for a little bit of a late arrival of the episode. Apologies. Sorry I'm sick everyone. Sorry. Anyway, let me be more enthusiastic. This episode is part due of Jerry's retreat to the DICE tower, and also the main reason I'm recording this intro is because stay tuned after for Jerry and Evan's discussion. I haven't listened to it. I'm simply going to run it through the noise reducer, and I know there's lots of chewing by Jerry of cereal because he loves to just mess up audio. Loves to just, I don't know, so it may sound terrible, but he wants to record that way. It's going to get posted, but even at that, hopefully the chewing will be not too terrible to your ears. Enticing, isn't it? Makes you really want to tune in. But you should, because I'm sure they have fun. Evan joined him, son of Dan Daniel Hughes. Anyway, that's it. My brain's too foggy to record anything else. Enjoy. It'll be after our outro, then it will be Jerry and Evan talking about whatever they talk about. Godspeed everyone. You're listening to the board game Snom's podcast, a ridiculous podcast with ridiculous hosts that discuss ridiculous things. And any mention of board games is purely coincidental. And so, without further ado, and with a heavy dollop of shame and embarrassment on my part, I give you the board game Snom's. And, uh, hey, I was looking at something else. This is, um, this is a heart. This is a jig. I'm always on the phone. Not like sword fight. An dar. Not like on guard. Even though it's spelled E-N. E-N and bothers me. This is French thing. This is Jerry, the star show board game Snom's citizen email, gmail board game Snom's at gmail.com. Kind of sounds like you said citizen email. Citizen email. It's like citizen came. Citizen came. Citizen email. Citizen. Uh, I'm Gobby, uh, primary host of the show, editor and producer, uh, all these things and, uh, backup star. I'm glad to have Jerry back again. Yeah. Part two. Part two of the dice tire retreat. But first, we have a lot of different names for, for two with do, part. Do I don't know that there are different names as so much as, uh, languages, deuce, Bruce, the deuce, deuce, swearing. Deuce isn't that's more like, um, what is deuce to like in poker? I don't know. But what, where does that come from? Is that a different language? It's like a, I'm sure it's a, I'll look that up while you're doing your thing. It sounds almost, if the deuce thing is more interesting than your banter, what, we just discovered this, what we're talking about. I know, but able to see. It's got to be a variant of do, which is French. Well, I'm, uh, don't, don't, don't worry about it. I'm looking it up. You look, you do your thing. In the 1800s, US dairy producers would regularly mix their milk with water, chalk, plaster dust, embalming fluid, and calf brains to enhance appearance and flavor. You know what this is missing? Just a little bit of calf brains. I wonder what, what calf brains taste like. Uh, should go back in time and drink some milk and you would know as well as embalming fluid. Uh, that, okay. So it says hundreds of children died due to a combination of formaldehyde, dirt and bacteria in milk. I'm so glad I don't live back then. I'm so glad we presently live in the 2020s, even though these times all have their own harshness to them, but I'm not drinking calf brains and formaldehyde because people think it looks and tastes better science. Thank God for science. Hmm. Thank. Yes. Science is good. So what was water was milk was put with milk, calf brains, water, chalk, plaster, dust, embalming fluid, and calf brains. This was happening when now you say it's a very broad from facts, weird says in the 1800s. The word deuce comes from the Latin word, this dux, d-u-x, which means leader or Latin, or chief, I'm sorry, leader or chief. The word deuce is an Italian title that was first used in 1923. Benito Mussolini, the leader of the National Fascist Party. Here they are. Fascist. Brought to you by Hugo Boss. Smell like a leader. We've already got it. We've already got it. It's not gonna smell. And was a mean sale. And was referred to as deuce, which means the leader. So, Benito Mussolini was known as the deuce. The deuce. He is the leader. You know who double deuce was? The dux was also used in Roman army referred to soldiers head duties that went beyond the normal rank. In the fourth century, frontier forces were often led by deuces. It's also the name survived into the Middle Ages as an expression of nobility, as is the origin of the word duke. So, if you were John Wayne, the duke dropping a deuce, you were also the leader. But why is that related to the number two? I will. If you are the leader, you should be number one. I will look that up. That's a good, you, you're killing it as a hoe. What happened while I was gone? You're asking meaningful questions. Anything else that you've been, banter? Oh, while you're looking that up, I have another one. Another did you know. After firefighters saved piglets from a barn fire, six months later, the farmer sent them sausages made from the piglets as a thank you gift. That's like not much of a thank you. So, these firefighters risk their lives for sausages, basically. Two, the word deuce, D-E-U-C-E, comes from the old French word dace, which comes from the Latin duos, D-U-O-S. The word was introduced into the German language in the 14th century, where it was later used to refer to playing cards, the value of two. So, du-o, two, deuce, and deuce, D-U-C-E, are different. So, we have just discovered that we in America, when we use the slang term about that you always say. For daces. No. When you say dropping a dace. You are thinking what word, D-U-C-E? D-E-U-C-E. You do? You think that? Because we call it a number two. I know, but you didn't think that until just now. No, boy, it's D-E-U-C-E. Dropping a dace. You sure? Because I always thought it was D-U-C-E. No, I've never even heard of that spelling before. Well, you have now. Because D-E-U-C-E is related to the number two. So, do you see the confusion? Here, I do see. D-E-U-C-E means two. That's deuce. But the Italian deuce means leader, which would typically mean one. So, if we were in charge of something, and I was the deuce, and you were my executive officer, the second in command, and was the deuce. Deuce to the deuce. Who's the deuce? Deuce square. Deuce. Get the deuce. Is it the deuce? The deuce is loose. So, literally, words are so fascinating. You don't want loose deuce. That's a bad sign of your health. You don't. But you didn't ask my question. Do you know who is double deuce? I didn't ask your question. I don't know what double deuce is. Emmett Smith. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Twenty-two. His number was twenty-two. That's what they called him. They called him double deuce. Double deuce? Well, it's good because he was the second mess running back at the time. Yep. Until he became, apparently, but just because you ran a long time, I don't still think you're the best. No, he was second. Walter Payton's the best. Yeah, it would be arguably Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, then Jim Brown. Yeah, Barry Sanders was good, too. No, Barry Sanders was statistically the best otherwise. I'll give it to Walter because there were two different things. Emmett Smith just hung in there longer. He's top-top 10, he had most touchdowns, didn't he? I'm sure. I don't know. I don't know. He has all the most yards. You've got football in the brain. I don't really watch football, but you've been doing a fantasy football. Two weeks ago, I did a- Were you all just hope that the Cowboys win? Fantasize. I hope for that as well, even though they paid CD lamb way too much money, and anyway. So, who did you fantasize about? No, I mean, who did you draft about? So, here's the thing. We have a board game snobs fantasy football league in which Tyler from Chicago has got us on this app that I absolutely hate called Sleeper, but everybody else seems to like it. I'm an old person. I've been using ESP and fantasy for a decade. Oh, this young whipper snapper from Chicago wants to use the Sleeper app. So, I can't draft anything now. Can I? I can't join the draft? No, Jerry. No, you can't. You're out. I didn't know. I'm in control of our team. Oh, okay. Well, who did we draft? Who's the official snobs approved drafts? So, with pick number nine out of a 10 team league, he just did a random- You got nine? I got pick number nine. So, they do a snake draft. So, if I get pick number nine, then I also have pick number nine. I understand snake drafts. I didn't until DICE Tower treat. So, with pick number one, I chose Saquon Barkley. Who is that? He was the number one running back for the New York Giants, but he got injured and he just kind of has some injury issues. I'm hoping he's in a healthy shape this year, though. So, you pick that person that you don't even know is going to play? No, no, he's playing, but he's been injured in the past and New York let him go. So, where's he at now? Now, he's at Philadelphia. He's a Philadelphia? It's an eagle. Okay. Do you, even I just, not even knowing football, but this topographically, going from New York to Philadelphia, don't they hate they hate each other? Yeah. Yeah. I don't suspect. Cowboys, Eagles, Giants are almost NFC East. All right. So, that sounds Saquon. Saquon Barkley. That's a great name. Go ahead. I'm going to Saquon this to something else. So, I'll just give you my team. Number my quarterback, I somehow got Patrick Mahomes. My son, Jack, his favorite. His favorite player. We have a calf that we're ball feeding right now, named Patrick Mahomes. That's a good one. You got to meet Mahomes. I did. Mahomes. That is the best calf name I've ever named. It's also the only. That's what Ryan should name one of his calves. This is Patrick, and this is Mahomes. Does Ryan have calves? On his legs. You're right. I mean, it's kind of around about pun to a different thing, but it still works. It works. My Patrick's, that's from my Patrick. Jonathan Taylor, you don't know him. He's an Indianapolis. He was good again. Okay. Here's the thing. So, my foot, my football knowledge is like a few years ago. So, I drafted names I'm familiar with, but they may not be the best. Okay. I don't, so this guy did what for the Colts also? He's a good running back, but he also was injured a couple years ago. What? So, was my half or nine? He was pick number one. Obviously. I had pick number nine. Okay. Debo Samuel, San Francisco. I like him. Debo, he's receiver, right? DK Metcalf. Also, calves. He is a beast that Rascal's big and strong. George Kittle of San Francisco. This one was a, okay. So, I was out at a friend's house. We were, you know, out on their porch, having drinks, having a nice time, and I lost internet and it auto-picked DeAndre Swift, which I would not have ever picked. That's a great, that's a great name. It's a good name for a fantasy player, but he's just not that good. What'd you do? This is like his fifth team in five years. What's it? What'd he do? He's a running back. DeAndre. DeAndre Swift. DeAndre Swift. It's a De-apostrophe, Andre. I like it. Swift. What's it with team? He's with the Bears. Oh. I mean, I don't think he's a bad pick, but I just, he was with Detroit Lions a few years ago. He's fine, but I would never have picked him myself. And then from there on out, nobody cares because it's a defense kicker. I'm not sure anybody cared for that. Nobody could know our official team, but we will know what will we win. But I'm happy I have Patrick say one in Jonathan. What will we win? Respect. Oh, who won last year? Wasn't Tyler? You know, you asked that question. I think he did. Somebody did win. Yeah, I think it was Tyler because like, oh, isn't it suspicious? The guy that wants to use this very specific app for this fan, he created the league. Oh, he wins the league. Well, that doesn't, that's not suspicious at all. It is suspicious. Oh, I don't know why he was not, are you choosing Tyler's suspicion? No, I mean, he can't. He's the deuce. He's the deuce. He's the deuce. And now you're, and you're going to be the deuce this year. I hope to be. All right. So let's get back. This is part two, part two, deuce of our episode of her. I went to the nice tower treat. Here's something I learned greatly disturbed me that Dan and Evan just said like it was just common knowledge that I should know this. But he said that there are candy shops in Britain that sell like American candy and various other candies. They're not legit. They are money laundering businesses. Fronts. They are fronts. And it's like, just known, like it's a thing, like they open up and they act like this business, but it's, it's so that they, I guess, what are they actually supporting then? Whoever needs money laundered. Weapons smuggling? No, no, they, they, you don't know what we've had another episode where I explained money laundering to you put it in the washing machine. But anyways, that's what they're doing. They're laundering money with that. And that was shocked. So they, I mean, does get nerdy. So they all thought that all of our candy shops here were places of ill repute for we, for which we laundered our money. And I said, no, we do that with real estate and Bitcoin. What was that little candy shop you used to go into at the malls? And I just had like those, you would take a big scoop thing and don't cut out my, uh, I don't know. Those were, you know, I'm not a big candy guy. I, I like chocolate covered raisins and almonds and chocolate covered just about everything. I like chocolate bars, but I don't want candy. Yeah, candy. When you think can candy or as they call it, but first off, other British words, since we're going on about words, I'm sorry. All the people who hate my weird definite obsession with definitions of words. Uh, I like the British term. They just call them sweets because that just covers everything. If you say you want a sweet, that can be everything could be a Jolly Rancher candy. I don't think of chocolate when you say candy. Do you? That's, I, I do. I don't because I think of candy bars. Well, I like candy bars, but you don't, when I say candy, you're not thinking, I'm not, I don't like, yeah, like a lollipop or a Jolly Rancher. But when I say candy, you're not thinking I'm going to hand you a candy bar. No, that's, that's the distinction. If I said, would you, would you like a piece of candy? And you're like, sure, I'm not going to pull a butter finger out of my pocket and give to you. A Werther's. Exactly. A Werther's would be candy. So at a sweet, if you want a sweet, broad spectrum, there's a lot of things there. I like their term. Also, crisps, which are chips to us, got to thinking about that. That makes more sense. Our French fries should be called chips because they're chipped off of a potato. I see why we went, well, chips are technically sliced or chipped off a potato, but we go, well, fries are actually fried. I, I kind of get, and I don't even get the whole French thing. I know. There you go. Is it French? Why is it French to cut a potato and fry it? Maybe it's the type of cut, but I, I, I, it's true. Otherwise, it'd be a waffle fry or a wedge cut fry or French fry is that particular style. French fries are often called French because American soldiers mistakenly thought they were French when they were introduced to them in Belgium. Dutch. Here we go again. In War, War, War, War, War, Club, Van Dam. However, the name French fries was actually used in the United States in 1886. The terms popularity didn't increase until after the World War. Schwarzenegger is from Austria. That's the problem. I get those two cookies. That's real close to the Hugo Boss. Yeah. The deuce, the deuce boss, the Hugo deuce, Hugo deuce, Van Dam has a different accent than our French cologne, Hugo deuce, El Bastion, El Bastion, spelled with an SC? No, no. Why are, why should not be making, why are we making fascist jokes about cologne? That was from part one. If anything we say in part two testifications, please refer back that we're this. We're serialized. You have to listen from episode one to understand all of our references. Part virgin to cereal. You know who's a serial killer? Evan. Evan loves the charms. He loves the lucky charms. I don't know that I've ever had lucky charms, but I know they are marshmallows. Two family packs. Not necessary. Two family packs. Does he eat them raw without milk? He's milked. He loves the milk. I did frosted flakes. 2% whole milk. Also, Bruce, the deuce, special K. That's what we call him, special K. Also, because he carried around a box of special K with him. Really? That's a weird cereal to carry around. I think it was given to him by somebody else, and we were playing Sea of Legends, and his captain's name started with a K and was very hard pronounced. And so he just called himself K and then he said special K. And so that's how, and then he started attacking everybody. So I made a joke about him being a serial killer, and it became special K. There you go. Okay. That's this joke, which is why I hard merged that into cereal. It all makes sense now. Very quickly. Shout out the special K. I like cocoa puffs by themselves. I know. Just by themselves, not mixed in with anything. I have no milk necessary. Oh, you just like the puffs. Yeah, it's just like chocolate crunchies. Is cereal, cereal without milk? Well, then it's just a snack. No, there's a, can, cereal can be a snack? Is cereal technically something you must add in with milk to make a cereal? Well, no, because they call the box that you're purchasing cereal. Correct. Milk not included. But you also, there's a lot of things that you buy that's this is this thing, and you need to add something with it. Ramen, you need water. Correct. But it's still ramen. The adding of the, adding of the fluid doesn't change what it is. We do specify, though, if I had to say, do you want some cereal? You're assuming there's milk. I would presume I had to say based on knowledge dry cereal to specify like this coffee, coffee's always hot. It should be. But ice coffee, do you go? Or when you say coffee, I'm not thinking of the bean. Correct. I'm thinking of the liquid. So it's cereal, cereal without milk? Yes. I'm going with you on this. I will say yes. I think that there are many people who enjoy dry cereal. Some people imbibe in just reaching their hand into the box and pulling it out and chewing it. I don't. I don't accept checks. I don't either. When checks come checks, but I. Well, there's, there would have to be one of those sugared cereals, fruit loops, corn pops, honeycomb. My dad used to eat grape nuts dry. I saw this humorous commercial on Instagram for grape nuts, and it was perfect because I was like, what, you're just like just chew on some glass while you're at it. It is. My dad used to threaten people by telling them that he eats his grape nuts dry just to let them know what they're dealing with. Makes sense. Okay. So I'm sorry, you're hosting. So you have to ask me questions regarding the con in a fashion that seems logical. Okay. So you arrived. I've asked you about food. Yeah. Went down a cereal wormhole. Drink. Did you imbibe? I bought some Guinness because I just assumed that that would be like a thing. It's trying to be all proper with the British folk. I was sleeping on the couch. And that's about it. I just drank a few Guinness. Well, that's good. I missed out with Mr. Knapp. Jeff Knapp. I didn't get to, I didn't get to get with him. We were going to go, we're going to get a drink, a proper drink. You didn't. I did not. I feel bad about that. Yeah. Maybe next time. Maybe next time. Okay. So that's food. That's a drink. Let's see. How about the sleeping accommodations? Were they well? Yes. I loved. Yes. I love my little pull out couch for you. Shoot on. I liked it a lot. It was very comfortable. If if why you dance snore. That's personal and I don't feel like I should. Evan snore. That's all personal. I will not talk about my BFF. We're any farts. I will. I will. See, you're you're turning back into this. This is why I did that little prelude about your hosting abilities. How good they were part one. I just know you're just tanky. No, I just I just on a personal level when you feel comfortable. Everybody. Evan loves tanks. You fart. Actually, who says? But the thing is because you off gas. You've expelled gas in front of me and I accept it. I do it for comical reasons. All right. And I don't fart in general. For a large man, that's kind of odd, don't you think? Perhaps that could be part of your problem. It could be that you are not obese. You are just like full of gas. Remember like Willy Wonka, a little blueberry girl? Like she just kept getting bigger and bigger? Perhaps. This could be it. Although Evan and Dan would call it Trump. That's what afar it is in England. Now listen, Dan doesn't listen to our podcast, but one of my favorite Dan uses stories on one of his mini podcasts. I don't know if it was the chaos order one or the bored one sporadically, whatever. But he told his story about he stayed at somebody's home and the individual would always wake up in the morning and fart really loud. Every morning, and the guy got up every early and then when he do it, he would yell. And this, I heard this years ago, Dan said this on a podcast and it went immediately to this day. It's just, it stays with me. The guy would yell, I trumpet the dog. And that quickly became my favorite. Like I trumpet the, and it was just, it was a good one. This is God. See, a part one was really classy and it went really well. And you've tanked us. You've tanked us. Nobody started off talking about do so. More fitting it could not be actually. Well, I have a list of games that I played. Is there a way you can ask me a question that would get me into talking about one of them. Best game that starts with a B. That's the thing. I played bib, though. That's the only one I played. There you go. I played that and played that with deuce Bruce the deuce swearing what genre of game did you play the most? I would say said collection. Indeed, Marvel comic collection was the very first unofficial game. I'm a hunters. Hunters, I'm sorry. Comic hunters. The components are not great, but they spend all the money on the IP, I believe, with the comic books. And then this game, all that you're doing, it's a drafting game, but they do, so like I'm not big into drafting games, but what they do is that they do different types of drafts. So there's like the, what you would think would be like, what kind of drafts are there? Well, they have one where it's like you're bidding, I believe is one that you kind of, everybody's kind of bids to take this one card or this card. There's one where they do the, you remember the painting game that was done by Bruno Kothala, the very beautiful one, our first BGG. What's the name of that game? They'll come to me here. Chris Sala? No. That's the director. That's the director. Oh my goodness. It's like one of Jack's favorite games. It's the painting game that was by Elo, and it had the beautiful artwork on it. It's with a K. I'll look it up. It will come up. I don't know if it is a K. I think it's a, but anyways, special K. Apparently I don't have games with it. Oh, this Bruno Kothala, Elo game. Either way, there is a mechanic there where you put out a card or you take all the cards on the column, and so it's like this thing of I want to put out a card, but I also want to take a bunch of cards, and you don't want to give your opponent something else because when you put out a card, you don't take that card, and so that goes around. So that's like one of the mechanisms. There's also this weird little square game where you're moving cards around and trying to take all the cards of a certain type of comic out of the row. So it just, it's just, it won't bore you with the details, but it's a bunch of different drafting little mechanisms, and you're collecting, and then at the end, you're like, here's my set of it has a Hulk. I collect a lot of Hulk, and if you collect a lot of Hulk, you get multipliers and things of that nature, or I collect a lot of Ironman, and you're trying to decide which one is very, that mechanisms in the game is very good. I actually enjoyed this game. Again, I don't know Marvel. I'm not, I don't watch any of the Marvel stuff. I'm not a fan. It wasn't too basic for you? No, it actually was not, because, and it was, again, I don't like, really like drafting that much. I do like set collection a lot, and I'm not a fan of the theme, but the idea of collect, this could be re-themed as anything, could have been albums, could have been anything. They just went this route because people love Marvel, and it made sense, and the comic book thing makes sense. Well, I had that game vinyl, where it was first. That was too basic. This, because of the various different ways you draft, that's very good, and then the cards that you draft also are money, and you have to expend some of that, sometimes buy stuff, to pay for the cards out of your hand. So after you've done all this massive drafting, you have all these cards, and you have to pay for the ones you play. It's, yeah, it was, you could see where this would have been a very, very basic game, and they went, let's not make this entry level, let's just, let's game a fight, just kick it up a notch, and they did. Components aren't great, by any means, they're really bad, but they spent all their money on the actual comic book covers, and... The game you were thinking of is Kanagawa. Kanagawa. I would buy this game, this Marvel comic conners. It's that enjoyed it very cheap, too. It's like 25 bucks. I would, I would like to play it. No, I think you would enjoy it. I think the whole comic book thing would get you to. So you played Marvel Remix, and Marvel Comic Hunter? Yes, I did. And Biblios, which was, you know, some of people's favorite games, and some people don't like it. I like Biblios a lot, even though we've only played it one time. Let's see, I asked you your genre, set collection. There's a bunch of different set collections once I did. Let's see, what's another interview question I can ask? I will, I will help you out, by hard merging into, you said Kanagawa, which is Japan. I'll segue into that to two, maybe more than that, Japanese style games, which I played, Japanese style, Japanese themed. Hana Kanoji, which we love. You're saying that wrong. Hana Kanoji. What's his name? Dan Hana Makoji. Hana, you're all right. Hana Makoji, which is, we have talked about about being one of our favorite two-player games. We're the one where you have gaseous, and you're trying to win their favor. They've re-themed it to something else now, because everybody thought, everybody thought that going after gaseous was kind of creepy. But anyways, to each their own, it is kind of creepy. Jixia Academy. Jixia Academy. I'm sure that's not the proper way to say that. Either way, played that with Evan, went over well. But let's go to Japan. Let's go to Japan. This is probably my number three game of the con. I'm saying ranking them, like ARCs was my number one. Let's go to Japan's another one. I'd love to get. It is, again, a drafting game. And I would have never thought again this simple, and it's a very simple mechanic. Mechanic is you. All right. I love it when people say, let's take this theme, and this theme is going to be something mundane and boring, or something that people typically hate. What are you looking at? Nothing. No, just do what you're doing. You're punching buttons over there and not paying attention. No, I'm listening. You're not paying attention. What I'm saying, I won't know what you're doing. I'm looking at games you play that you posted our Facebook group. I've already done that. Put it down. I have a list. I can, I'm a grown man. I have a list. You're not paying attention. I am listening to every word you say, just hanging on the edge of my seat. All right. I'm going to do what Mike, Mike Delicia taught me. I was too busy answering your frequent text messages while Mike was teaching a game and Mike just kindly what he didn't do what I do. And just, that's a terrible picture. You're looking at your phone and not in the conversation. I'm listening. I can multitask. I'm going to wait until you put your phone. There's now that works. See, Mike had to do that to me because I, I was, you, you caused me to break my one pet peeve of people looking at their phone and not paying attention. And Mike just very calmly, I'll just wait till you get done there. And I was like, oh, that's how you do it. Instead of me just normally what I would do is like put your foot your phone down. You yell at you. Wow. So see, I have now, I've now taken, did you fart? I've now taken on Mike's, Mike's thing of just, I'll wait on you. I guess I'll wait until you're done doing what you're doing. No, I'm listening. Okay. Do you want to hear about let's go to Japan? Yes. So I have your attention. Okay. So let's go to Japan. As a AEG game. No, you might remember our friend of ours really likes this. Yes. Who? Chash-a-saw. Chash-a-saw. Chash-a-saw has gone to Japan. Multiple times. Let's go to Japan. Like I was saying about it being a mundane game of just like this thing that you just, everybody hates doing. You're planning a trip. You have a calendar that's Monday through Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, all the way through Sunday. And you're just drafting cards and going, okay, I'm going to do this on this day. You're adding things to your schedule. That's it. It is the most... You're a, yeah. What do they call those when you call a person? They're not so popular these days. Travel agent. No, you're not. You're doing your planning yourself. It's very boring thing and it's a very boring mechanic because all you're doing, you're either going to go to Kyoto or Tokyo. There's two piles of cards and you're going to pick one up, pick two up and look at them. You go, I'm going to keep this one. I'm going to give this one to this guy. So with those, they just took the same letters and rearrange them and anagram. Okay, thank you. And so you picked that up? Yeah, I just now thought about that. I'm... They have another city called Yekot. I forgot my coat. Whose coat? Your coat. But you just pick up a car and go, I'm going to put it here. That's not, that's not an interesting mechanic. Okay, so what makes it interesting? What makes it interesting? Let me tell you. All right. So when the game begins, you randomize and put out on each day, the main thing you want to do. So everyone just drops these little discs on there. And one of them is like, I want to go see temples and other ones like, I want to go to the park and the other ones like, I want to go shopping and I want to do these things. And the cards, I all have these symbols on them. And it's like, so this day, oh, this has cut some like shopping here. So I want to put that on this day. And if you match those symbols up, they help you out a lot because you get bonuses. But the colors of the cards were Kyoto and Tokyo. When you're planning your day, if you go, well, I'm going to go Kyoto and go shopping and then on Tokyo, oh, well, this card's good. I'm going to go to Tokyo on this, put it on the same day. Now you've got a problem because you have to travel because you're going to have to take a train and to get trains are the things that you either get through bonuses by matching things or through having to take a penalty. So you have to plan your route very efficiently. So maybe you don't go to Kyoto at all. Maybe you just stay at Tokyo or maybe you plan to where you can travel back and forth on a train or maybe you just decide you want to spend a lot of money and put all these things on here. And at the bottom of the card, it has this bonus thing that you'll get if you meet these requirements of all these various symbols, these bonuses are what you're trying to fulfill. And you can only put free cards down per day unless you get some sort of weird bonus thing. And when you lay the cards down, you can either put a card, you can put the next card behind it or on top of it to cover it up. So all you're doing is the simple drafting mechanism just picking up cards is nothing. It's just what one do you want to do, but it's how you place it and where you place it and thinking ahead about, well, this card looks good here. It's very quaint. It's very beautiful. And it makes this game has to be played twice because after everybody tells you how to play the game, you're kind of lost because you're like, well, how does this score? Why would I do? Everybody does every time I've played it, the only person for which I did not see had to play this game twice because you play it through it once. And then now you understand it, you replay it with Dan Hughes, who rocked it out. Dan understood initially because Dan does a lot of mundane, boring things, I think. And he just, he's just professional at it and he just knew, oh, this means this and this means that and Dan like tore it up and really liked it. Like, I think Dan's the planning type is what I'm saying. He probably has a planner and plan. I have a planner. But you don't plan anything. I'm right stuff in it. Yeah, but you don't do it. Dan, I ride it. No, but you write it, but Dan plans it and does it. And Dan did that very efficiently. And let's go to Japan, which is my third favorite game of the con and one that's on my approval list to purchase. I liked it with that much. It is very beautiful. The artwork's amazing and it's just, there's a bunch of little expansions, I think, that come out. And he's going to need an expansion, but it's just one of those quaint, calm games. I just, again, drafting. Who would have thought? That's all the rage. You used to hate drafting. I like hate drafting because speaking of hate drafting, I played a game of a wonderful world with some people, taught that, and hate drafted, hate drafted. Did you win? I'm ranked in like the top 100 players on VGA. What do you think? So I did teach the game and then didn't point out how much I love the game, and I hate draft. Evan was doing really well, and I had to hate draft him, which is one of my favorite terms in board gaming, to draft something out of hatred to keep the other one from getting it. So, yeah. So that was that. Let's see. Japan, anybody had honking on you? Let's see. Yeah, that was pretty much all the drafting stuff I did. And let's do it for this episode, then, unless you have another game. How many games you got left? I got a bunch. Okay. We'll go ahead with two more. Okay. I played modern art, taught modern art with Dan, Dan, and Mark Stang. Dan did really good at modern art. He said Mark really weird just then. I was trying to think of his name as fighting for it. I thought it was Matthew, but it's Mark. Dan gave me my first loss in modern art, but I taught it so it's asterisk, massive asterisk. They're on that loss because I never lose modern art, even when I, but I since I teach it, I'm more about teaching it. Now you're kind of distracted, but Dan did beat me at modern art, massive asterisk on that window. And we also played Godfather with the deuce and Evan and who was calling the deuce again? It's Bruce the deuce. I haven't told you about Bruce the deuce. You said Bruce's special K previously. Well, Bruce the deuce, but then he became special K. Swearing. Like sweaty balls. I swear. Yeah. We played the Godfather. He kind of, yeah, that was good. Who won? I lost to Evan. I lost to Evan. Evan blew it out. Yeah, Evan, Evan knocked it out. Evan, Dan Hugh's son. The son of Hugh's son of Hugh's. And then first of his name. I taught him Yokohama mean, Dan and swearing. My favorite game is of 2022. I brought that up. I said, I talked about Gabby on that, taught that and I can't remember who won that. I don't think it was me though. I think Dan might have won that one too. That's a big hit. Yokohama still holds up and let's see. I told you about escape alien game. I don't know if you've told it on this previous spot. The marker game was it called? Escape from aliens in outer space. Yes. The OG game where you have the little white, you're marking on this little white eraser board and basically it's a hidden movement game where some people are aliens, some people are people and you're trying to get to the escape shuttle and everything's like ABC and then numbered and you're like, I'm in grid A1 and that's supposedly where you're at. But every time you move into certain spots, you draw a card. That card lets you know you can tell the truth or you can choose to lie. It's been a long time since I've played it. You just move into an area and if it's a silent area, you go silent and it's not a section. If you move into a loud area, you have to draw a card and if it tells you to tell the truth, you have to tell the truth and if you can lie, then you lie. You're basically trying to get people wondering where you're at. You don't know who's a human and who's an alien until they start attacking and it gets crazy. We played that with Joey Evans. He really loves that. Joey Evans. The Magic Man. The Magic Man. Z and the Magic Man. Osprey Gangs is OG. You're not just talking about this. This game's OG. Hey, everybody who listens to this podcast knows that OG means Osprey Gangs. I'm just clarifying in case we have a new listener. I played the Kinner spill or spilled his Yars game that has been around forever that I never played Broom Service. I played that with Dan. Evan taught me that. Evan loves Broom Service. This game is... He's a fan of sweeping. He needs... Dan swept us on this one. Swipped the floor with you. This is a goofy game of this. You play a card and you say, "I'm a brave, fairy-gatherer." Basically, all you're doing, you're collecting resources, taking them to a castle and dropping them off by moving your little guy across the board. But you have to play a card and you can either play bravely or cowardly. You declare that if you're doing it bravely, you get to take the top action. But if anybody else in the table foes their card down and says, "I'm doing it bravely," you don't get a turn. It stops your turn, which is a faux pas in most games. But in this game, you have 10 cards. You only use four of them each round. And so you're trying to anticipate what everybody else has. And so if you're afraid that somebody else has that card, you say, "I'm going to... I'm a cowardly gatherer," or whatever. Root gatherer. And you can only do like half the action. Did you like it? I would never have... I love... Yeah, this game needs to be... Yeah. Wow. It was... Look at you. You're speechless. Stumbling over your words. It's an old game. I've seen it. And a lot of people really liked it. And I'm like, "I don't... I didn't care, but I haven't kept going on about it. A lot of people are going on about it." I'm just not a fan of brooms. I'm not either. So I'm kind of veered away from it. I have. I'm more of a mop guy. I'm a... I'm more of a vacuum guy. Let's see. I got a bunch of... Yeah. Although I do like a push broom. I don't like the kinds you have to use the whole sweeping motion. Push brooms are, though, familiar with wider areas. I know, but they're just more efficient to make. I need them for like my carport. Yeah, but you can't push broom in your home. That's true. You kind of have a hard time getting into the crevices and nooks and things. I do neither. I have a Roomba. But see, that's round. How's it getting to the corner? It does because it doesn't... it doesn't happen that you don't sweep in the corners hardly any ways. That's where I almost always sweep. There are no... There's no corners in your house and you think about it. I could just sweep for the corners. There's no corners in your house and then you've got stuff... You've got stuff everywhere in the corner of all your stuff. But the corner... Exactly. And I need to get in that corner and clean it. You have... But you don't. You have shelves that you're not going to move in the corner. But the shelf creates a new corner. There's a corner right there. I'm looking at it. Needs to be swept. No, you... I guarantee you, you have never swept that corner. I have. You are alive! I sweep it every day. You do not. Because I love sweeping. You do not. Even though I'm anti-sweeping. I'm a vacuamer. All right. So the next episode, we'll talk about mixtape. I said two more games and I think you mentioned like six. But that's fine. We have a lot to get through. I'm a renegade. You are. I'm a paragon. And for that reason, we must end the show. Now? Now, exactly. All right. Thank you for tolerating this episode of the board game Snobs. Stay classy. I think that's going to work. Okay. So you just have to say go and then I'll start. Okay. Give me some cereal. Go. Mm-mm. I'm ready. You're supposed to go. And go. Okay. Go, go, go, go, go. Uh, I won't wait until you stop eating cereal. Oh, okay. Go ahead. And go. Welcome to the board game Snobs podcast. This is the star of the show, Jerry. And you typically, Gabi introduces himself. Oh, and the actual star of the show, Evan? Evan. Yes. So, so, so typically when I can't do an episode, Dan Hughes come. This is serious. Good. Well, Dan Hughes will fill him. But since I met the Nosh Tower treat and I'm staying in the hotel room with Dan Hughes, the internet legend, and his son, Evan, and Dan is downstairs playing some game with Mike Delizio and didn't have time to podcast with me. Disgraceful. Disgraceful. So instead, just, so when I'm not available, Dan fills in for me. And when Gabi's not available, then Evan will fill in for him. So we're just doing this. So Evan, who I have been playing games with the entire time here at the retreat, he's filling in, he's filling in for Gabi because Gabi's back in Texas. Some would argue more successfully than Gabi's ever, ever, ever really produced. The standards are dropping and I think it's his fault. I think so too, because since being here, list of games we've played. Well, I've played, that's not the right one. I've played last light, 16 players. Red Cathedral, 23 Knives, which is a new game by Age of Zeb. Remix, Monart, Invid Video, I think that's how you say it. Pompey, Arx. In other words, I've played a lot of games. As have I, I've won most of them, except arguably. Some of them. But newness is a, what's your best, what's the best thing about the dice tower retreat so far? Well, it's just, it's, it's real friendly. Everyone kind of knows each other. We've been pretty much like trading between 12 different people and just having to mix match group. I've got a couple henchmen in, in terms of Bruce swearing. Bruce swearing. Yeah, there's a guy. No swearing in front of swearing. No swearing in front of swearing. No swearing in front of swearing. Bruce swearing has been, he, who taught you how to jay walk. Yep. Successfully my ad. Yeah. No cars hit. Yes, we played Frogger, real life Frogger game. As we are in Orlando and across from the Royal Caribbean. There is a CBS, which we frequent for Twizzlers. Cause apparently Twizzlers are not a thing in, in England. No, and my, my goodness is my father. Love them. Yes. He loves Twizzlers, top ramen and Lucky Charms. Apparently that's the. Lucky Charms of mine. Oh, okay. Well, that's what I mean now. And the, uh, uh, uh, Diet Coke, Diet Coke. Yeah, Diet Coke. That's, uh, that's, that's a well kept secret, I think. It's, uh, that's an inside scoop. Well, god major, excellent editor. Yeah. I'm, I'm for the audio. And so typically he doesn't encourage me to eat during the podcast. But my favorite thing is to kind of do, do you know Brad Pitt? Yeah, yep. Okay. If you'll watch Brad Pitt's shows, he always eats in his movies. Yeah. Ocean 11s, he's eating nacho. He's always good. I'm kind of like the Brad Pitt at board game podcasting. I like to eat while I'm podcasting. Yeah, I feel like you capture the essence, you know. It does. Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt with his, uh, his cool like steaks and stuff. And you, you started munching on your Lucky Charms. Well, you brought these Lucky Charms and a, and a, not a, you, you've been eating too many of them. Because your second box, at least family size. You've enjoyed many a family size treats while you're here. Or sweets, as they call them. Yeah, sweets, that is right. You discovered that there are large bags of M&Ms. They're coming like eight pound bags of M&Ms. Ridiculous. I can, uh, I can, I think I'm packed on the pounds, man. It's, it's bad. Welcome to Florida. Um, so far. Well, it's, what's been your favorite game? Uh, I think the, the, the large like mega game version of last light. So he's, uh, Roy's basically just slapped four balls together. Uh, calls as many people as he could around and, uh, just had an absolute mess of a game. Yeah. I didn't look entertaining. They looked, they looked overwhelming to me, but it looked like y'all were having, you come in fourth or something. Yeah. You come, that's, um, my number one game so far has been like a time between arcs, the new co-warly game, which I taught you. You've played it about five times. I've played it now. Yes. It's, it is. Yeah. I can tell by the fact that I was taught this game, then immediately taught to somebody else. And I've continually played this. Yes. I'm, I'm quite obsessed with it. And another game for which I've played multiple times at this con and look forward to playing it again today. Is that Zoo Vadus? Zoo Vadus? Yes. The, the Reiner/Konitsya pure negotiation game with the anthropomorphic animals. Uh, yeah. Reskin of, uh, Reskin of an old game apparently. Mm-hmm. Like on to Jason Levine, name dropping? Yes. Uh, so we've played many a game. Yesterday was my dice tower day. So all I played, and I didn't mean to do this. I was invited by these people. They, they came to me to play a game. And so my first game, uh, was with, with, uh, was with Mike D'Alicio. And then as I left, uh, I ran into Tom, my dear friend, Tom. He was playing a new, uh, Steven Finn game. Just come out and I played that with them. Mike, are you guys close? Yeah, we are. Yeah. You've seen, we went out to eat. We, we, yeah, you were with us. We got Root Bear and a Sharon Bread. Yes. As breaking bread. Yes. As they say, breaking bread. Yes. Yes. Great. We did that. And then we went to, um, I went and Sam Healy called me over. I played a game of that, uh, 25th century game, Ratzia with Sam. And then I ended up playing a game of, uh, a very long game of Cia legends with Zee Garcia and, and Camilla. So really just a, a host of people from the dice tower that have entertained me. I couldn't be more thankful. And, and Dan, Dan was technically part of the dice. Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And he, he, he, he. How come I got to feel a lot of dance? Because damn, I don't know if you noticed, uh, so he is a part time designer. I know you, cause he, yeah. So he, he designed, uh, with one of your siblings, a game that was, you know, made, heard the core of the show. Really? Yeah. She the most profitable child. Yeah. Uh, he's now working on another, uh, game, this mixtape, or I made you a mixtape. Yeah. I think that's the, the, the actual term to avoid copyright. Yes. How do you feel about that? Because I would just assume that he would work and collaborate or collab as, as Gabi would say with you to produce a game as well. Well, I think I've game tested it more than anyone ever should have to game test a game in their entire lives. I, uh, I wouldn't say I'm sick of the sight of it. Uh, but it would, uh, if I had to play it again today, uh, you know, it's, it's, uh, it, it's a bit of a struggle, especially when I've, um, seen it about a thousand times. Uh, but one thing I will say is my God, is it a hit? It is. Everyone's, uh, everyone's playing it. I, I can say without reservation, Jason Levine got a hold of it and loved it. And apparently was teaching people, everybody I've seen play it has seemingly enjoyed it. I haven't played it yet. I don't know if I will, because I don't know if I, I'm afraid that if I play it and have any, any, even the slightest of criticisms, it would, it would devastate Dan. And so I just, uh, and plus Dan's very busy. Yeah. He can handle it. I reckon, uh, good old Jason Levine will give you a, a teach. I'm trying to find Chris Ye. He's the only dash tower member for which, oh, Joey Evans, I forgot him. Joey Evans. Joey Evans. Multiple times. Joe is my new best friend just about. I mean, we keep, he's, he's a magician. Yeah. He's got a show on today. He does recording. Yeah. Two two p.m. He's going to do a show. Yeah, I'm not sure. I am. I'm not sure where it is, but, uh, you're kidding me. Yeah. That too. Yep. Okay. So we got some time. We got some time. We're. I didn't know that I myself, MA, MA, MA, MA, uh, I don't know why amateur slide of hand magician. No, I want to say magician. Oh, is that, is that? Oh, no, magician. That's too strong of a word. But magician's like, like, you know, it's like something, you know, a slide of hand seems more appropriate. Yeah. Because magician is like, people think, oh, it's so mystical or something. Whenever, buddy, once you know, you know, once you've seen it, you've seen it. And like, Joey, I see he's always wearing long sleeves. Yeah. Is that with the French Cubs? No, I haven't thought about it, but not, you know, you've seen it. Oh, yeah. I wonder if those, that that's not. That's why you win all those games. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's something to there. Uh, but yeah, but so we'll go to that. We'll go see his show here probably in a little bit. Try and think what else we had today. What else have we done that's been? Oh, the key lime pie. You hate, you ate pie. I ate key lime pie for the first time. I will say not impressed. The mango one was nice, but, um, this is meant to be the, the pinnacle. Tom, uh, Tom seems to think it's like some sort of, uh, Mount Olympus of key lime pies. So if this is the best you've got to offer him, I've got, I've got to say, it could be a lot better. Or pies, a big deal in Britain. Uh, it depends what you're talking about though, because our definition is probably different. It is. Because we've got, we do meat pies galore. Yeah. So we don't have any meat pies. No meat pies. We don't do meat pies. Oh, yeah. There's an American character in a, uh, in a bit, not a niche, but a bit of a niche comic called Dundee. Dandy? Yeah. He's called Desperate Dan. And he's, uh, he's a root and token cowboy. And all he eats is these big long horn pies with, uh, these, these, this massive, uh, antlers sticking out of it. So I was under the impression you guys were the, the, the, the meat and potato pie kings. I don't know. It's, it's like a, your pies are like, like, we have fried pies, which are like cakes. We've got like apple pies. Like that, like that. But you're talking about like the same principle, but having meat inside. It's like, it's like a, it's like a, not, I wouldn't say fried. It's like a, uh, yeah, pastry. Yeah. It's like a calzone. Basically. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, we, I mean, we have those, but that's not like a, not, but yeah. It's not, it's in a pie shape. But, but like key lime pie is to the Florida, what pumpkin pie is to like, thanksgiving. Yeah. Do y'all have thanksgiving? Pumpkin pie. We don't have thanksgiving, no. You don't do, no, because y'all didn't go and come over on a boat. You didn't come over and then take. So the Saxons and I, they could, they did like a bit of a summer solstice kind of thing, but I don't think they did. That's the, that's the rocks outside a lot. Yeah. The, the, the Stonehenge. Yeah. Stonehenge. Yeah. That's, that's got to do with all paganism and stuff like that. We, we have all that, but we've kind of moved on past that in the, in the 700 years, we've been a country. But the Normans come over too. Yeah, they did come over. And they're like French. Yeah. All they did was rename things. They did, but so y'all don't have a celebration. Didn't, that nothing. There's no pagan pie celebration. No, I mean, we, we weren't particularly happy with the French having a victory over us to be fair. So, uh, I don't think it's, it's very celebrated. It's, it's a hard one to take. Hard one. Yeah. Yeah, it's two times now. I mean, maybe that's why the key lime pie doesn't mean as much to you. Yeah. Because see, we, we've got the pumpkin pie for Thanksgiving. And in Florida, I believe we purchased from the French or the Spanish. I think Spanish Spanish. So the key lime every time America buys something or takes something from somebody, we have a pie that symbolizes that occasion. It's, it's a nice memento, isn't it? There's apple pies. It's the generalized American pie. Yeah, that's the first one. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like the, the generic, if we're just going to celebrate something, we just have a pie. The key lime pie reminds us of Florida and the keys. Um, you know, we got pumpkin pie. That's Thanksgiving. Uh, pecan or pecan pie. Yeah. Pecan pies where I'm from. That's the sound. That's, that's the, okay. Okay. See, man. That is the, that is the pie of the south. That is the, that is the pie that reminds us. What is it? What is a pecan pie? Pecan. Yeah. Pecan. No, it's pecan. No, I wouldn't say so. So what did you say first? Well, I said, let's just roll, let's say. I said pecan, but it's not pecan. Well, someone's throwing it in there. No, it's pecan. So pecan trees, do you ever, have you ever cracked a pecan? Uh, I don't think it's warm enough to, to grow. You don't have pecan. I think I have, yeah. Okay. Well, is it like a brazilma or is it similar? In, in the south, there's pecan trees and everybody gets buckets and buckets and go out and just collect pecan. I apologize if any British listeners are screaming at me for, for not knowing what, but like a pecan. Well, well, there's, there's not that many. Well, I mean, I don't, I don't know if y'all would have them over there. We, we do, we do lots of tarts, which are a bit like mini pies. Yeah, those are the, like the baby. Yeah. Yeah, we do mini pies. Why is it called a tart? Isn't that a slang term for something? Yeah. Okay. It is, it's a rather unfortunate phrase, I guess, but I don't know. It's just a tart is also a word for like sour. Yeah. So maybe it's the, the fruit being sour. Well pecans are not sour. No, no. They're not tarts. Okay. Well. This is an England baby. I've met some sour tarts myself. But there's, there's, there's German chocolate. Pies. Yep. Which are kind of like a northern thing. Yep. That's kind of a Yankee pie, whereas the pecan pie is more of a confederate or a southern thing. Yep. So yeah, blueberry, blueberry is kind of a thing. The one that interests me the most is pecan, I think. I've had the, what was it? What did we have on the first day? Someone brought in the, that was a pecan one of them and I like that. The cookies? No, the, like, was it strudel? It was, it was something, it was something like that. I don't know. Those, uh, it was, it was little dead icing sugar, icing on them. Where? Where did you? Did, oh, outside the conventions, the committee. Oh, yes. Yeah, you remember. Yes, yes, yes. Those, uh, I didn't get those. I didn't see them. I had, I had, they had, they did, you did have cookies. It was a cherry one that they became with ass. No, it might not. I don't think they were strudel. No, they weren't strudel. It was, uh, not scones. No, no, definitely not scones. I don't know. I didn't see them. When I got there, there were just cookies. But there is an ominous box of cookies that appears sometimes outside the Dye's Tower tree library, where it's just a sign saying here are free cookies. I have eight from that box. I know it sounds weird. They've got nails in each eye. I don't know. I know, it's weird. But you just trust the people there. Then you swiftly went into the Dye's Tower van, looking for puppies. Well, yes, we took the, we were going to take the Dye's Tower van. Oh, then Tom didn't want to move the seat. You didn't want to move the seats? No, I was, I was looking forward to it. I could think of nothing better than riding with eight grown people in the Dye's Tower van, which is all painted up to, to, to go to some barbecue place. Only reason I came to this God forsaken country was I, I got the promise of the Dye's Tower van. Well, we might as well go out there and look at it later, but otherwise, you know, it has been a fantastic time. And if I had to, um, uh, rate this on a scale of one to 10, you've been at the other convention, driving to, uh, UK Games Expo, and then Aircon Northwest and Aircon. And then I've also been to a smaller one in, um, like the Oxford region called, uh, uh, something irrelevant. They probably all said, and compared to this, I will say, if people have never been to an Aircon in the UK, an Aircon is incredibly friendly, and this just feels like an Aircon, but four days, uh, five days, sorry. And Aircon's usually over a three-day period, but, uh, but no, I think the advantage of this one is that you're staying and in the area with the, uh, the games. Yep. So you're, you're constantly just running back and forth, doing all sorts of stuff you want, and then you're always right there in the, in the action. Yeah. This has been, this is, because it all takes place in one large, quiet room here at the retreat. Oh, it's lovely. And there's about 300 people, and everybody just kind of knows each other. And it's just, it's, it's, I've almost gotten to where I think I, I know BGG is quite a large event, and I'm just thinking about the feeling I get from that and this. It's totally different. So, uh, you're saying that the, uh, the invites is what makes it great. Yes, because I think, so then you get rid of all the, the, the people who haven't been invited, such as, uh, oh, get rid of all the thoughts. Yeah, the, it's from the facts. It's just that the people that are here have been, it feels like the elite. I'm, I'm saying, yeah. And look who isn't here, you know, uh, you know what I'm saying. Well, I mean, people who don't put forth the effort, you look, you'll find that in life, you'll find that. And your dad can speak to this as, as a legend himself. You know, a man of, of great taste and, and of, uh, you know, not far nice enough to let me sleep on his couch. You have to put yourself out there and be willing to take risks. That's really what this is about. I mean, when you look at your father, do you think that he's a type of man that would ever thought to himself, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to publish my own board games and then fly to America and shield that out to everyone there. And he's, he's a man of great, of great fortitude is what I'm saying. And, uh, resolve. And thus, that's why he gets invites to things like this. And, uh, this is much more calming than BGG. Yeah. Much more calming. There's not a lot of, I don't know. Is a BG bit like GenCon? No, it's, it's very much like this, but with like 3000 people. So it's a playing con. There's events and there's stuff going on. And it's more, it's more exciting for that. Yeah. There's straight up just games here. I mean, I suppose with the, with the whole event side of things, there's been, there's been a couple. I've been involved in the biggest one in terms of the last light game. And, uh, I do think that there's, there's different value to the, to make a game kind of scene already. I think it's brilliant. I think having so many people, uh, like competing together, like it's a great, it's a great cause. What you need to come to do BGG one year is just flying to Dallas. You don't have to trip, you just said, or spring, BGG spring. And if you're saying this is a, if you're saying this is too, uh, cold for you, this is a bit light weather than I don't think I can handle Texas. No, Texas, there'll be BGG springs in May. No, okay. It'll be like 110 degrees. All right. So it'll be sweating. It's about 40, 40 degrees Celsius. Yeah. I don't, I don't do, I don't do, uh, mattress number. But yeah. Yeah, you don't do the good ones. How many yards is that? Yeah. So see, yeah, you come there about 24. Dan, Dan. Yes. Dan, never been to Texas. No. I don't think so. He's been to Colorado and he's been to Chicago. And he's been to New York and he's been in. No, he's not in the big places. He seems to come, he needs to come to BGG. Chicago is not big is it? Yeah, yeah, Chicago. Yeah. In terms of touristy though. Ah, now they got a lot of shootings there. Oh, okay. Dallas, Dallas is the place to go. He needs to come to Texas. I was told Texas is an empty hole full of nothing. Well, I sometimes say harsh things and I've been drinking. But, uh, but yes, there's not a lot there in terms of like trees and things. Yeah, the scale. The state itself is not a lot to look at. It's certainly no Oklahoma where the wind comes sweeping, you know. But, uh, anyways, well, we got to get off here. We're going to go see Joe. This is basically just content for Gabi, uh, because Gabi wanted me to shoot. I promised him I would shoot an episode. And he said, what is your middle? I said I'd shoot an episode with Dan Hughes. Yep. Or me. Or it didn't end me. And, so technically, what's your middle name? Malcolm. Ah, it's not going to help. I thought I could get away with it. Be like, oh, I thought I was confused. What's Hughes? No, no. But it works out. I shot an episode with A Hughes. Yep. And I think this is your first podcast episode. I've been in a featured in one-partly bald podcast episode. Okay. Well, that's not that I'm getting it. But you're your, you're Twitch streamer. Do you get Evan I/O? Oi. Yep. Yep. I did it right. Evan underscore. Oi. I/O, which is the OI, which is Oi, which means like a call to get people to someone. Yes. Yep. That's my favorite. That's Australian, isn't it? Oi? No. It's pretty British. Pretty British. Okay. I thought that was a... I mean, they might say it over there. But it's not exclusive. I found out. Your father told me privately last night. I got a Guinness in him and he starts talking. He is half Australian. Yeah. But with a kooky story to back. Yes. But is that as like half Australian? My grand super Australian. She's got the accent. She's been there. She lived there for like most of her life. Is that not public knowledge? No, I don't think so. No, he's got a citizenship, I believe. With Australia? Yeah, but we don't have it because we're second generation. That explains so much. Because his attitude is one of... He's got the proper British kindness. But then that Australian drive. I don't know why he's seen the proper British kindness from. He's very... He sent out a public call for my gaming execution. That is true. So yeah, Dan did tell everybody at the con not to let Evan win anything. It's completely what my ass is. Yes, that's what he said. And it was... People keep on forfeiting their entire game to make me lose. Well, yes, some. And a certain Jerry keeps on going, "Hey, wouldn't it be funny if we are cluted to make Evan lose in the last two?" That's your best impression. No, I could probably do a better one, but I had no preparation. No. Okay, okay. Well, give me a phrase. Or you can do Gabi. I don't think I could do a copy. Okay. I can't do him again. No, and make it doesn't talk. He just makes noise. I'm thinking of a phrase, man. What is a phrase I generally say? That's interesting. That's interesting. That's a pretty good impression. Yeah, I'm talented, what can I say? We're going to get you to fill in for me next time. You can just, Dan, you and Gabi can fill in. Okay. Dan's not around. All right, well, we gotta go see Evan's... No, I mean, Joey, Evan's show. And this counts as the content for which I promise the host of the board game snobs. Gabi, the thing that's missing from this con is him. Yeah. If I could have convinced him to get on a plane and come with me, it would have been great. But unfortunately, next time, see if we can't, we may have to just drive. Yeah, maybe. We may just drive. We may just carpool. Wasn't like 50 now us? I don't get here about 15, 20. Depends if Bubba drives. Bubba drives us. We can get here. Three. Yes. Bubba, yeah, he's on it. So we can figure that out. We bring Enrique with us and Enrique, he fits in wherever. That'd be a great experience. So all right. Well, that's going to do us force. And yeah, this is Jerry. This is Evan.
