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I guess if that would happen. - Poor Zach Taylor caught between a star player that deserves to be paid. - Right. - And a front office that is notoriously, historically and currently cheap. - Yeah. - And this is when it comes down to simple as the rookie wage scale was put in place in 2011 to ensure that draft busts don't run away with millions they never earn. The problem is the guys who earn it have to wait longer than they should to get it. And it's that fourth year where in this case, for example, the Bengals will get the services of Jamar Chase for 4.8 million. I always say it never gets cheaper and it's not gonna get cheaper. If they wait a year, it's gonna cost them more than 35 million per year in new money to do it and get it done and make him happy. But they will have gotten him for this year for 4.8 million. I think that's why Mike Brown is trying to drag his feet and we've seen way too many teams refuse to reward a great player after three seasons. Burrow got his last year after three seasons. And today's the day, this is where it's been pointing all along. Burrow got his contract on the day that we were here in Kansas City for the regular season opener. And he didn't practice some in the preseason, he had the calf injury, he didn't have the same vibe as the deliberate intentional, I'm not practicing until I get paid. But he got it today. If Chase doesn't get it today, it's going to get ugly. You're gonna hear some stuff about what's been going on behind the scenes, there's gonna be some back and forth. Will he play on Sunday? He's not gonna just leave, you can't just leave, but all of a sudden, my back hurts, my head hurts, my hamstrings tight. You get into the classic hold-in where it's a guy who is taking advantage of any bump and bruise that he might have, any sprain or strain to not play. That's what this morphs into, if they don't get this done today. The question is, and I've heard that, well, he's under contract for two more years, I don't care, the window's open for a long-term deal, he deserves the money that he didn't get when he was drafted, he's proven his value, they need to do this today. And this is where we're gonna find out, are the Bengals ready to be a good team or not? - I agree, the only thing holding them back right now is the most obvious, easy contract situation in football. They're a Super Bowl team, and our one worry is really owner-related as it stands right now, that's the problem. Well, they pay a guy that we know deserves to be paid as the top two or three receivers in football, period. It's plain and simple, let alone he's a guy that went to college with your star quarterback, has a great bond with him, the team likes him, right? He brings a personality and a pizzazz to the football team that is infectious that way. I mean, this is one of the more exciting guys in the game, so yeah, this is a no-brainer, duh, let's get it done. Jamar Chase is special, he is. I think they know that, and I did some digging on this last night. I did, because I was, I'm sick of it, I'm going, wait, I'd like to hear from a few people, and so I reached out to a few people close to the situation. I got the sense here that, yeah, we saw Jamar Chase out there yesterday, not for everything, you see here in the-- - He was limited, he was limited, that's it. - Did one-on-ones, right, did some seven-on-seven, didn't anything full team, I don't think, did group install, he's in shape, he's ready, he's been doing walkthroughs, he's mentally engaged, all that. Yeah, he needs some live reps, but I'm not really worried about that with one of the greater athletes in all of football. We saw the guy miss a whole college football season and come back his rookie year and go, "Whoa, this guy's awesome, right off the bat." But I was led to believe that it is coming down the pipe, and by both people that I talked to yesterday, they thought that at the latest, it's done Friday, that it's there, it's right there, and that it's coming down the pipe here in the next 24 hours or so. So hopefully, that'll be good news for all of those football fans, and of course, the Bengal fans out there. - I know this is the day that's been targeted all along. Every day, last year, Joe Baro got his deal, we'll see if they do it today. And it's stupid because, and this isn't picking on the Bengals, we said it about the Cowboys, we said it about the 49ers. You set the deadline before the first day of training camp, because even if they get it done today, how prepared is Jemart Chase? How ready, and we're gonna watch him, CDLamp, Brandon Iyuk, will somebody get injured early in the season? Will they be the guy they used to be? Will it take 'em a few weeks? Will Chase be ready to come out and have the kind of game against the Chiefs in week two? - That's gonna be the big thing, right? - It's all the more reason to have sat down and said, "We're gonna pay this guy anyway this year." Let's just do it now so he's ready. But I still think from the Bengals' perspective, I think they were hoping to kind of stumble into what the Vikings stumbled into last year. They negotiated with Justin Jefferson right up until the start of the season. And I remember, I think probably sitting here saying the ball was in the Vikings court, Jefferson wanted a certain structure, certain dollars, the Vikings didn't do it, and they got him for the fourth year. Sheep, even though they ultimately had to pay him 35 million per year in new money, they got him cheap last year. That's what the Bengals had been trying to do. And I still think at some level, they're holding out hope they can pull it off, that they just get to their best number and Chase doesn't take it. Because if he doesn't take it, great, we get him for 4.8 million this year. And 3.8 of it has already been earned. That training camp roster bonus that agents use to protect the player, this gets into the whole offset thing. I got 3.8 of my money right now. Early in camp, the problem is it kept it from holding out. He'd have held out, but he would have lost 3.8 million on day three of training camp. And if he would have held out, maybe it'd be done by now. Yeah, right. Listen, there's a difference between the Viking situation and the Bango situation this year. Viking situation, the biggest thing is, nobody was picking them to win the Super Bowl last year. And we all knew that Kirk Cousins not being on the Vikings was a possibility, right? So there was that. This is like, no, no, no, no. The team is set. It's ready right now. What are we doing? And it's the time is now to go win a Super Bowl. And that's where I feel like it's a little bit different. And I think puts a little more pressure on Mike Brown and the Bango's organization because of that. Because people, you and me, are going to sit here and go, there's one team out there right now that we feel good that can go into Kansas City or look eye to eye with my homes in Andy Reed and not blink. And it's the Cincinnati Bangos. And they're not going to do it and be able to beat the Kansas City Chiefs if they don't have Jamar Chase at full strength. So that's where this is a little bit more pressurized. OK, then the Minnesota Vikings situation last year. And by all the accounts, by people I've talked to, even through training camp, Jamar Chase is in very good shape. Now, I'm going to football shape, I don't know. But they all seem to think it's not like he's been lazy and not ready here. So he should be ready to go if he does play Sunday. Here's Joe Burrow. And I frankly believe that we wouldn't get to this point with Chase because of the connection to Burrow. And they've been doing everything they can to placate Joe Burrow. They want Joe Burrow to want to stay with the bangles. They sold the naming rights to the stadium for crying out loud to make sure they had enough cash to pay Joe Burrow. I thought that extended automatically to Jamar Chase. It hasn't yet. Here's Burrow from yesterday talking about his former college teammate and current NFL teammate Jamar Chase. It's always been a team first, win first kind of guy. That's the kind of guy that Jamar is. And you want to reward those guys? How long does it take Jamar to get football ready to get in sync with you, do you think? He's ready to go. Fair enough. Yep. I saw him out there today. He looks fast, strong, like he always does. I know he's been doing what he needs to do to stay ready if he needs to be ready. So I'm confident that if he does go out there on Sunday, then he'll be the Jamar we all know. If he does go out there on Sunday-- see, that's what is the difficulty of the hold-in. Because at some point, you do have to go to work. And that if he does go out there on Sunday, it's almost like-- I don't know at what point, I'm struggling with this. At what point does the team let a guy not play? Because he doesn't have his contract. Because you have a contract to play. Currently, you showed up. You didn't hold out. The hold-in collapses when we get to the point where it's time to get ready to play and time to go play. And that's what's weird about this. And it's all the more reason to just get it done. Just get it done. Break from the mold that we've seen where the Bengals will ride out a full rookie contract, apply the franchise tag once, and then say, see you later. They did Jesse Bates. They're doing it to T Higgins. They've historically never had a guy on the team for more than one year. The only guy they signed that was franchise tag was Carl Pickens, and they cut him after one year. The franchise tag is usually the death knelt of the relationship because they go back to the draft and they get cheap, young guys. And they don't care about losing the star. They don't care if the fans are like, hey, I bought this guy's jersey. Oh, well, you'll buy the next guy's jersey. That's how they've been, whether they've truly changed is going to be proven in whether or not today or tomorrow they get this deal done with your marching. Yeah, agreed there. You get the feeling that we had Zack Taylor early in the week who said he put his foot in his mouth a little bit because he thought he'd be ready to go and going to practice a little right. Burrow has made comments like, hey, he's ready to go. He looks good at all that. You get the sense that they feel like it's coming down the pipe here as far as the contract and all of that. But yeah, it's still got to be pen meets paper and go that way. But yeah, I'm getting the sense that we're there. What are you going to laugh at? We may have to do a little research. Is it coming down the pike or is it coming down the pipe? Are there certain things that come down a pipe that I don't want? Right, but I think I've said pipe my whole life, actually. So that would be would be an official Simsism. Welcome back. Good to see you. I mean, really think about it. But hey, it's coming down the pipe. I mean, you know, there's some good things too. Beer factory. You don't want what's coming down most pipes. Most pipes, most pipes, you might explore. It's a good thing. You don't want what's coming down that pipe. Yeah, I guess you're right. You're right. You're exactly right. And you maybe you were a plumber and had all this experience. You may be you may be more accurate than you realize. There could be something coming down the pipe if they don't get this done. Because really, there's been an effort to restrain. Boy, that was quick. That was quick. Maryam Webster, is it coming down the pipe or down the pipe? The phrase down the pike initially was used to mean in the course of events. And more recently, in the future, pike here is short for turn the pipe, in this case, it's a metaphor for something encountered along the road. One is traveling sometimes, sometimes down the pipe is used with the same meaning, probably showing a conflation of the similarity between the words pike and pipe and the phrase in the pipeline, meaning things to come down to all the all the good oil coming down the pipeline. That's what I was talking about. Yeah, that's what I meant all the way there, there's definitely a little scholar, he's back. But he's only here for one day a week. Enjoy why you can't. Although we are doing the pics podcast. We have that. So we will be together twice a week. Right. So that's good. That's something I can use when I ignore the complaints that come in because I'm not going to respond to the complaints because once I start, I wonder why I stop. I feel empty without you. I was like, I do. I'm like a little bit like, man, I can't believe that I'm going to get up tomorrow and talk about football and do all that. But this is the way it works and I'll be back to you. 13. We're getting down to 12 weeks now. Hold on. Let's go and take a break. When we return, Devontae Adams has channeled his inner, my cousin, Vinny, i.e. everything that guy just said is bull belief. I'm trying to be good today. More pay up to the library after this. We do have fodder for when we return. One of the early segments when we're back, Sims-ism, Sims-isms, I'm scared. They know how good they are. They're the only team in the AFC that's not a scared of the dragon beast of the chiefs and the homes in Andy Reid. Think you've said it before, but this time it was more deliberate and intentional. They're not a scared of the chiefs. I don't know why I say that or I didn't even realize it came out that way. So I have no defense. Sims-isms. You never know when a Sims-ism is coming down the pipe. You never know. You never know. I'm scared. You got to read between the tea leaves to find them. We're Jerry Jones. That was great. We put that clip on social media for your birthday too. I saw that. That was unbelievable. I think that was a Freudian slip, right? I really do. I think that shows he watches the show, right? Nobody says that right there. He said with a little twinkle in his eye too. He's like, yeah. The same twinkle that was there when he said, "I want me some glory." Exactly right. Exactly right. So I don't know. Maybe he's watching things before he goes out. That's good. That's good. They act like they don't. I'm scared. They don't, but they do. I sound like a four-year-old that they're running us scared. That's good. Mom, mom, why is he scared of that, man? What is that? What am I hearing? What are you? I'm hearing something. Are you hearing it too? No, I'm not. I'm not. I think somebody's mics open in the control room. I think that's it. I thought we were rolling some sound that I wasn't aware of for a second, but that's not the case. I thought that Jerry Jones sound was going to come in. There's some sound about Devontay Adams, and it started with the Sean Jackson on the Colin Coward show talking about Devontay Adams and Devontay Adams' response. This one's tough because, you know, me and Devontay, we've talked. And? You know, man, I hate to do it because I don't want to be the goddess. Like O.D. Jack said this and said that, but at the end of the day, he isn't happy. I mean, you go from Air Rogers, then you come to the Las Vegas Raiders and not only Jimmy G, you had your boy car. That's right, car. It didn't really work out that you thought, you know, from the Fresno State days, you think they would come back and work everything out, and it's just like it just quite didn't work out. So now I just don't think he's really that happy there. But at the end of the day, the facts are the facts, and that is not a fact. I've probably spoken to the Sean Jackson, maybe three or four times in my life, and I never had a conversation with him ever. And I put that on my kids. I've never spoken to him about anything. Only person I really talked to about my feelings in general is my wife, probably, and she ain't out there leaking anything and dropping stuff like that in the media. So once again, whatever you see, if it ain't from the horse's mouth, it's probably so in terms of me being upset or not being happy in this organization, it's just a bunch of BS that's just meant to throw everybody off and get, you know, clickbait. You want to see what Devonta Adams got to say and, you know, he's pissed off in Vegas. If I was pissed off, I mean, I wouldn't be here right now. Look, there's just enough in his body language and throwing out the word probably from time to time. We saw the receiver series, he was beside himself last year. He was beside himself. He was annoyed before the year about the quarterback situation that he didn't have more say in it, right? So there's been plenty of complaints there. He's willing to go clean slate now. Right. That's his piece offering to the team. I think that's what Antonio Pierce, the new head coach who earned that job last year as the interim coach, he got him to say, I'll be patient, I'll give it a try. And I think part of the deal is, I don't know this, but this is just common sense. Part of the deal is if we suck after eight or nine weeks, we'll trade you to a contender. So you play ball with us, we'll play ball with you. Please glass half full. Please, no more negativity, please don't be spreading this idea that you're not happy. Let's try to make it work here. And we'll know after, and you can push it nine games out, nine weeks out because the trade deadline is moved. We'll know where we are and we'll trade you to the Jets or basically wherever you want to go. I feel like he's circling the wagons here to try to keep it under, under wraps. So we know that what people will say atopodium can be very different from how they feel for strategic reasons. We've seen that time and again, and I'm not saying that Devonta Adams is lying. I'm just saying he's implementing the plan that I think is in place. Give us a chance to be better than we've been. And if we're not, we'll take care of it. Yeah, I don't, I agree with everything you're saying there, right? I think, of course, Antonio Pierce is like, wait, I don't want to trade. Devonta Adams, it's my first year as a full-time head coach, he's one of our best players. I don't want to do that, right? So I think there's, there's that aspect that I understand that. But do I envision him being on the trade box on week nine? I do. Yeah, because I don't think the Raiders are going to be all that good. And of course, he's probably their most valuable piece of property they have, right, for lack of a better phrase to trade and get things for the future to build their football team a little bit. And yes, with their quarterback situation and what they have there, yeah, I'm not expecting a lot there, right? And I don't think it's crazy, you, you mentioned it, the wide receiver show, whatever else. I think you talked to people around football, hey, Devonta Adams reputation is a little bit squeaky-wheelish. That's what it is. I don't care who it is, you talk to anybody around football, that's what it is. Let alone, I don't know anybody in football that thinks the receiver show did favors to Devonta Adams and how he looks through people's eyes. I mean, I don't care who it is, Joe in the lobby or football coaches, I know, they're everybody's like, eh, Devonta Adams is in the receiver show, eh, all right? So that's kind of the taste he's leaving in everybody's mouth with this situation. But I can't imagine him being totally excited and happy there right now. I know he's not going to say it. He's doing the right things. But with that quarterback situation, where their organization is right now, yeah, they're in rebuild mode. But I'd also like to say he wanted out of Green Bay, he wanted to go to Las Vegas. He wanted to go to Hall of Famer, to Hall of Famer and Derrick Carp. What? Well, okay. He wanted to go to Lester quarterback and show that he could still have a big year. Right. Right. So now he's in a spot where, yeah, you got it there and you got it and, you know, future Hall of Famer, Derrick Carp is not there any longer. And now he's like, oh, no, what do I do? And this isn't that good? And this is what I envision. So yeah, I envision him being on the trade box when it comes time, like I really know. Also word of the wise for Deshawn Jackson, who's trying to break into the media and has created, you know, we've been, we've quoted him a couple of times on the show. He said that Williams was really close a week and a half before it got done. It felt like maybe that was off, but Kyle Shanahan said the same thing. So maybe Deshawn Jackson was getting a true picture of where things were and something happened. If you're going to go on shows and talk about what guys told you, nobody's going to talk to you anymore. Nobody's going to talk to you. If you're having conversations with guys and there's just that vibe that it's between us and you know what you can use and what you can't use and then you go put the guy on blast and say, he told me this and you know, I'm going to come out and say it. No one's going to talk to you on anything that matters or they're going to talk to you and they're going to feed you bullshit because they know that you're going to run to a microphone and say it. Yeah, sure. You got to be careful of that, right? You got to have the right way to approach these situations and the big thing is is you know, you got to gather information from more than than one person. That's what I would always say. And then if you do have something like that from one person, yeah, you can't pin it on them. You can't, right? That's definitely a no-no and you're not going to get anybody to talk to you honestly, you know, off the record or anything. If you're like you said, going to go expose them on live TV. I think the way this plays out is the Raiders going to have a hard time. Right. I love Gardner Minshu. Right. And he almost took the Colts to the playoffs last year. Yeah. They took it all the way to week eight. Right. Players love him. And that's why I think Antonio Pierce has managed to convince Devontay Adams, it's different than last year. I agree with you there. He's better than Jimmy Garoppolo. He's going to rally the team. We're going to win some games. We're going to be better than people think we are. And if we're not, we will take care of you. His contract is in that last year before the two phony back-end years that drove up the average kick in. He's not going to be there next year unless he dramatically restructures his contract. The Raiders know that. They're up against having to cut him after this year. So let's see how it goes and if it's not going well, we trade him. We get something in return that we can use next year to continue this process of improving. He's not going to be here anyway. That's how it plays out. And you know, if you can trade him to another team in the AFC that might make them better prepared to beat the Chiefs in the postseason, that's a win too. Because at the end of the day, they don't want to see the Chiefs win three in a row. They didn't want to see the Chiefs come to their building and win two in a row. They want the Chiefs to lose. They hate the Chiefs. And if they can hurt the Chiefs indirectly by dropping Devontae Adams with a contender, so be it. But I think that's what it is. And it's all, nobody talk about it because we're going to try to win. The best case scenario is we win and you stay here and we finish the year we make the playoffs and we make some noise and you go out on a higher note. Yeah, I think so. That's what you got to try to sell them there. And you know, maybe they can surprise us. Maybe they have a running game and Gardner Minchu plays better than I expect and Antonio Pearson company get that defense to play it at a level that I'm not expecting. I think that's what I look at them though, is kind of a team degree. Hey, a pain in the butt this year, but do I envision them going to the AFC playoffs or anything like that? No, I don't. And I do think that I guess if I had to pull up my crystal ball, I'd go, hey, offense will be solid, but I don't think it'll be anything special and I don't think they'll be able to feed Devontae Adams to the capacity in which he wants. And yeah, if I had to foresee the future, I'm with you that he's in the market for being traded for a contender who's looking at it like in a situation like we saw the Chiefs last year, like, hey, we need a receiver and we need something, whatever. And that's that's kind of what I see happen. Anyone know who they are at the proper time, the Jets, if they're a contender, they become a potential destination, reunite him with Aaron Rodgers, make their offense even better if it's good enough at that point, but we'll know where and he'll know where and they'll work with him and they'll put him where he wants to go. If he plays ball, if he plays nice, if he throws water on anyone suggesting he's not happy contract things at the end of the year is going to ultimately end up. This is where I don't understand where teams do this sometimes with situations like this and I guess they didn't foresee this, but it's ultimately going to lower their value of what they get for the trade, right? That's what that's where you look at it where they go all they they they appealed to the player when they did the deal and did this and went I'll kick these phony numbers down the road. Well now we here we're down the pipe okay and we're here and okay now it's time to trade them and teams are going to go wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, yo, you want a second rounder for Devontay? Well, yeah, but you got these crazy numbers here so we don't even know if we're going to have them more than these last eight games because we don't know if we can pay them the next two years of these phony baloney numbers that you added on to the contract there. That is going to be a little bit of an issue when it comes to the trade. The other side of it too without going too far down the rabbit hole, they knew they were doing basically a three year deal. Yeah, that's right. One of the numbers on the back end to ensure that he gets released after three years and the two years from the get go that's where you spread signing bonus money. Yeah, that's right. But still still yeah it's a half year rental so it's going to reduce the value that you get for the player. All right, let's go ahead and take a break one return. The commissioner was asked yesterday about the kickoff rule and specifically whether or not the rules could change on the fly once the season begins. 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I don't even know what's out there, isn't out there, so that's irrelevant to me. Hello everyone. Surprised to see me here? Oh, I am too. I tried to join Snapface, but I couldn't find it. So here I am. Hello, Insta Face. See you soon. That was Bill Belichick's debut on social media. It was a rough video to watch. It was like four different pieces cut together in a not very professional way, which I guess gave it even more charm. This is the guy who has feigned lack of awareness of social media forever, and I don't believe it. There's no way if you're a football coach who prides yourself on knowing everything that you completely shut out a very valuable and useful vehicle for finding stuff out about your players, about other players, about other coaches, about anything. Well, I think that if I do an assessment there, I don't think Bill Belichick is looking at any of that. Somebody is. But it's like a bearish Nigerian who is kind of the big job there in New England. Basically, Belichick's assistant, right, for everything, he's the one kind of passing along the messages there when need to be if it's something, right? Do they care about like, oh, you didn't get enough likes last night or anything like that? No. But when it comes to football news or knowledge to be gained, yeah, he's figuring it out there, but he is definitely not actually scrolling or doing that. I feel pretty confident in that. And apart from that, he is, I was going to say dangerously close to being overexposed going into the season. He's beyond that. It's too much. He's doing too much. Wow. There he should have been more strategic, more selective, keep it to three or four media jobs. He's doing too much. He's popping up too often and people are going to get sick of it. And I know he wants to appeal to fan bases. He needs to appeal to fan bases. You need to have fans and media saying we want Bill after this season because after last season, nobody was saying we want Bill, we did that poll on Twitter, which he's now aware of, I assume, 75%, more than 75%. The simple question, if Bill Belichick was available this offseason, do you want him to coach your favorite team? More than 75% said, no, you've got to win the mob. And that's what he's trying to do. I think he's doing too much. It's going to take significance away. You want it to be appointment viewing. You want to have to go to McAfee show on Monday to hear from Belichick. You want to have to go to the Manning cast. You can just throw a rock in here something from Belichick now and I don't think that's going to be good for him. No, I hear you there. You get worried about the over saturation and people getting annoyed with you all the time and seeing you and all that. But one, I don't think he's going to go on there and be pretty plain and simple and it's going to be football oriented. And I do think he'll give us some nuggets as the year goes along that will open some fan base's eyes and go, ooh, that was a brilliant thought or insight by Belichick and all that. And hopefully that's where he can get a little steam and momentum here to get hired by somebody. But it is crazy that last year, it's the greatest coach ever and he's not coaching right now. It is, it is. But there's more to it than just, oh, the masses don't want him. It is the age, the control thing and so many other things that are going into this. This is a great point. We're going to deviate from what we were supposed to talk about, but we'll get back to it in a minute. He pointed out to me something from his latest appearance with Pat McAfee, where he's going to be on every Monday, but he was talking about control personnel decisions and he made it clear it can never be one person. There's always two people. They have to work together. They collaborate. They agree. The vast maturity of the time, it's only in very few circumstances where the person who has finals say supersedes the one who doesn't and sometimes the owner chimes in. He said that and people who have studied Bill Belichick are like, he's sending messages with this about the future. He's trying to get people to understand. He's not going to come in and be bull in a china shop and take over and tell the owner to shut the hell up and sit down. Why are you even here commanding and demanding that the person who has finals say because I've said all along, he's just going to coach, but if you've got a GM who's 42, who grew up in awe of Bill Belichick, the GM is going to do whatever Bill Belichick wants him to do. It doesn't matter who's got final say, Bill runs the show and I think that there's going to be little pieces of evidence like that of him trying to rehabilitate his reputation among the people who matter most. Yeah, I don't doubt that and I think he needs to do that. It's good he's sending out those messages clearly. Now, believe it or not, it's a different thing. Well, I will say just speaking from my experience being there in New England and then, of course, knowing people all those years, his working relationship with Nick Casario is exactly what he was explaining there. It really was. He could trust Nick Casario as a football mind evaluator, understanding how Bill built teams and what he wanted in players. So where he didn't, Bill Belichick's the smartest, greatest worker in the history of football, but he can't do everything, right? So you got to be able to, at some point, go like, hey, can I trust you to look at some free agent offense alignment because we got an injury here and you can whittle down the list for us to down two or three guys to now they come in for a workout and now we have a discussion between, you got to be able to lean on guys like that. And he's shown that whether it's Scott Pioli or Nick Casario, he's capable of doing that and listening and being a part of those conversations. Yeah, he wants the last right of refusal certainly. And post Casario went off the rails to a certain extent. Well, I think that's where I think not only the fans, I was going to go there. I'm glad you brought this. Fans, people in football, anybody with common sense, that to me is the thing you question is that, wait, Casario left and went off the deep end a little bit. The team certainly was not very talented. We all know that and what the Patriots are right now. And then I think you couple that with the really, it's the greatest coach ever with one of the weirdest decisions ever in the offensive coordinator thing with Matt Patricia and Joe Judge that year, that made a number of people in the NFL go, he's losing his fastball. What's he thinking? That's crazy. And that's certainly what is part of the problem and at least the people having questions about Belichick right now. Well, one of the things Belichick has said recently meshes with something I've been saying ever since we finally got our brains around this new kickoff formation. Yeah, right. It's going to result in not nearly as many returns as they thought because coaches are going to realize the strategic edge is kick it out of the end zone, give the 30 yard line. Right. Roger Goodell, the commissioner of the NFL, if you haven't heard of his on with Pat McAfee yesterday, and he was asked this basic question, if teams are just going to bang it through the end zone and give up the 30, will the NFL change the rules, move the touch back maybe to the 35 at some point during the season? Well, I think what would happen no, not before the regular season, the competition committee met last week. They made some very minor adjustments, they were really very minor. I think what we're going to do, Pat, is what we always do. We put this in for a year, we'll evaluate it for the entire year. If we see that type of circumstance come out, probably evaluate where the ball goes out to the 35 next year and try that. I think it depends on sort of the outcome and what it is we think we can tweak. They're not going to change during the season. You undermine the integrity of the season. If you play half the year with it being the 30 is the touch back point and then all of a sudden, oh, we're changing 35 that that dramatically adjusts everything. It does. As you've already got your plans in place for the year, you've been practicing things a certain way. Wait a minute, you're going to move. That's a significant change if it happens. They had a chance to do it before the season. They didn't. They met last Tuesday. The owners did on this private equity rule. There was no discussion of moving it from the 30 to 35. My theory is that the NFL is content if it is a rash of touch back because number one, fewer kick returns definitely means fewer injuries. That's what they've been trying to do the last 15 years. It's the most dangerous play in the game. Let's just do it less frequently. Number two, better field position means more scoring. All the drives started at the 30 instead of the 25. We're going to have more points. Number three, they can at least say we tried. We tried. We tried to change this rule. We've tried to resurrect the kick out. The coaches weren't willing to play ball with this. They're the ones that chose to kick it out of the end zone because either way, they're going to get improved field position and they're going to get more score. Yeah. I mean, I'm with you. I'm with a lot of people that I think are in the NFL and have thought about this, the logic of it. I think there's going to be still a great number of touchbacks, especially early on in the football season. I will say though, I think there are some teams that will be bold and try to gain an advantage. I do. One thing I've had come up current a few times with people in the NFL over the last few months is let's just take a match up this weekend. Hey, it's the Patriots and the Bengals, right? We know the Bengals are clearly the favorite, right? This is a way, a team like a desperate team, like the Patriots, the kickoff is, I think, the angle of teams are looking at the lesser teams, especially going, "Hey, we can maybe gain an advantage doing this." Those are the teams that I think I would be scared of if I was a head coach, right? I think the really good football teams are going to go, "Wait, we're good on offense and defense just like you talked about and we'll just play defense and offense and do that. We're not going to let this play ruin our football game." But I do think we'll see some teams that maybe feel like, "Hey, we're underdog, we're overmatched this week, we're going to tinker with some things here and try to gain an advantage." That's where I think it could be exciting this early part of the season. For tonight's pre-game show, I got in touch with as many people as I possibly could directly and indirectly get a vibe on what I'm talking about. Yeah, right. Because we're going to talk about it. And risk reward is the big thing, right? You do an analysis just like anything else. The problem is there isn't a pool of information you can draw upon. No, not yet. Exactly, right. We have 49 preseason games. The average starting field position is the 28.8. So, you give up the extra yard, you take away the risk of the long return. But there will be situations where teams will welcome the risk of the long return in exchange for the reward of pinning the team at or inside the 20. Exactly. The average starting field position for the returns that begin in the end zone is the 23.3. So, you can get some field position that way and I'll give you an example of when I think we're going to see this. Because I think you're on the money. If it seems got nothing to lose, they're more dangerous and more likely to take a punt and more likely to take a field goal, more likely to go for it on four down and more likely to try to put the ball between the 20 and the goal line. Teams I think, not all of them, but they've been practicing with their kicker the line drive that lands inside the 20, skitters to the end zone. We saw that a couple of times in the preseason, the 49ers Saints game, they did it right before halftime, which was like, "Why are you doing that?" But it shows you can. You put it inside the 20, it gets to the end zone. If it hits, and this is something that I think the fans don't understand, if it hits inside the 20 and goes to the end zone and isn't returned, it's the 20, not the 30. If the ball hits in the landing zone and then goes out of the end zone, it's still the 20. If you put it in play between the 20 and the goal line, that's an advantage, especially if the line drive isn't caught. And this is where, and I remember Sean Payton talked about this months ago, you want to have a guy who's almost like an outfielder who can get to the ball, and that's the other risk. You get a running start to that ball, that line drive, you catch it, and off you go. Because the other thing to remember, the moment the ball hits the ground is when the electric football players can start going, it sets up better field position for the defense, if you can pull it off. And I think there's teams who believe their kickers can do it, and they've been hiding that. There's no reason. You don't need to practice that in a preseason. I don't think there's any doubt. That and the high chip shot that's going to like, the kicker's going to kick a high pop up that's going to land it like the four-yard line, right? I think those are definitely things that teams are toying with. Listen, I look at it, I know I said, "Hey, I think a lot of teams will be the lesser team that takes the chance, gives themselves an advantage, an extra position, possession, whatever, you know, a field position," all that. But like, these two teams tonight, do I think they're bold to try one or two things here on this kick? Yes, John Harbaugh, ex-special teams coach that you alluded to to start the show. Andy Reed, he's got a special teams coach at Dave Taub, who's always kind of been aggressive in a cutting edge there. I do think the special team coaches are excited to show some of their tricks and wrinkles. Now, whether the head coaches let them do that and they just go, "Well, we'll go situation or depending on the game or whatever that," but I do think some special teams coaches are looking to be aggressive and do have some tricks up their sleeves as far as this play is concerned. I had a general manager say to me, "The special team's coordinators are going to push this because it justifies their existence, it protects their turf," but at the end of the day, the head coach is the one who potentially loses his job because we got cute in week one, they return it for a touchdown, we lost the game by four, we missed the playoffs by one game and I got fired. I'm not playing with that. Coaches are so conservative, small-seat, conservative that it's hard to sell them on something like that because they're thinking, "Let's just put the ball in the end zone, let's put it on in the third." There's 25 and 30 is not all that big of a deal, we'll play defense and we avoid the long return. The other wrinkle that may help is you get a holding penalty and then half the distance and you luck into good field position and that's one of the concerns too. You've got typically with the kick return layers and levels of blocks. You don't have that with everyone lined up on the 40 from the defense and then five yards away, nine of the players from the offense. A lot's happening, there's an explosion activity, there's concerns that guys are going to get blocked into guys' legs and cause injuries that way because it's a series of phone booths all crammed together. I hear that. It's going to be interesting to let this play out, evaluate it, see where it goes. I will say, I do think it's conservative, like I said, but tonight, would I be shocked that one of these teams has something special up their sleeves on one of these returns or whatever? Zay flowers or a Xavier wordy or back there deep in there. That's something where we can kick it out of the end so that's a problem. I know, I know, but also too, I look at it and go away with Harrison Bucker and Justin Tucker. I go, these teams might also have some cool kicks, whether it's the squib, like you're talking about that lands inside the 20 and rolls in the end zone or the high chip shot. But I'm excited to see it play out. It definitely, I do think we'll get a few more returns, but I don't know if it's going to be what we want or expect it. One last issue or two. A GM sent me clips of kickers getting blown up on this play because there's been talk of, hey, let's use Justin Reed. Now the chiefs have said it's going to be Harrison Bucker, but that's not binding. They can trot out Justin Reed with some sort of a surprise because then you have somebody who is adept at facing blockers, shedding blocks, getting to the ball, it's having an extra tackler. But man, I've seen some kickers get, there's one I'll show it to you. He got a kicker from the Titans, got destroyed. And the other side of it too is can you really trust a guy who isn't a full time kicker to keep the ball because it's got to hit inside the 20 and stay in bounds. You put it inside the 20, that's great. It bounces out of bounds. That's not great. The ball goes to the 40. Yeah, I don't envision a lot of non kickers being able to pull that off. I don't. Right. You know, maybe there's a guy, maybe there's a two or three other Justin Reed in the league that can do that. And we'll see. And I'm excited to see tonight if they throw him out there from one of these. But yeah, I don't think that's going to be something that, you know, like you said, coaches, small C, conservative are going to trust on a regular basis. The commissioner pointed out the tweaks that the competition committee made last week. And I don't understand how they can make rule changes without at least 24 owners approving it. But I guess there's certain discretion that they already have. The ball has to be kicked off of a tee except for a declared onside kick and we've seen some of the creative ways that special teams coordinators will put the ball in play with the declared fourth quarter. If you're trailing onside kick teams can tack on certain penalty yardage on fouls that end the play rather than re kicking. So it's just another time that we don't have a kick return. They want to reduce those if possible. And then there was an alignment issue that needed to be clarified. So the big one will happen after this year, if at all. If they even bring it back, remember, it's a one year experiment. So to even do it in its current form next year, they'll need 24 owners to say yes. Once they make a permanent rule change, you need 24 owners to get rid of it to continue something they're doing on an experimental basis. You keep needing to get at least three force of the owners to say yes. And maybe next year, there was a big push against 35. Plenty of people wanted to do 35 because they saw what we were talking about, right? Just give you 30 and they're you're up by seven in the fourth quarter. How, yeah, you're kicking it out of the end 100%. And if you're down seven and you're not willing to do at that stage of the game, the on-side kick, you're more willing to roll the dice because if you just give up the 30 and you're down seven with eight minutes left in the game, they get to the 38 in three places. Well, no, not even that. If they punch, if you hold them, they're still kicking from the 38, they're going to have shitty field position. Right, right. No, no doubt about it. One last thing. Yeah. It's a copycat league. Right. You're watching how the Ravens and the Chiefs do it tonight, how the Eagles and the Packers do it tomorrow night, how the teams at one o'clock do it on Sunday. I guarantee you the teams that play at four o'clock are going to have someone monitoring all the one o'clock games to see how they handle the kickoff and then come Monday night when 15 games have been played, the 49ers and the Jets will have a chance to digest all of it and adjust whatever plan they have accordingly and that will happen because if somebody gets embarrassed and it becomes a big deal, oh, you kicked it off and you gave up a touchdown, that's going to influence what other coaches do. Definitely. They're going to be weekly meetings about, hey, you know, special teams, coach, head coach. Let's sit down. Let's watch the 10 or 15 or 20 best returns of the week and the 10 or 15, you know, best kick offs of the week and what they did and copycat that and add our own tweaks. Certainly. It's going to be a gathering information and hopefully it evolves to where, you know, as the year goes on, the play is used more and more and we don't have the touch back. There's no reliable analytics for now. That's just the preseason numbers and that's all going to change and it's going to keep changing every week. This is a great exercise because there isn't that base of information. We're living it. We're watching it play out one game at a time or let's take a break when we return. Michael Parsons recently made the argument that cornerbacks should be paid more. One of them blew the lid off the market by $3 million per year. We'll discuss that next year on PFT Live. It was sitting there. That's good. A little emotion from Todd Bowles and hey, the Buccaneers, oh, I know, I know. You're on the bucket. Here's Dan Wagon. Nobody else is. Oh, no. Hold the Pirates. Why is nobody else? Why does nobody else see this team got to the final weight last year? They brought back everybody. I hear you. I hear you. There's a lot of good. There's no doubt. I went with Atlanta in the NFC South, right? But I certainly was sitting there thinking about you, thinking about the Bucks. Yeah. I'm with you. I know there's there's there's definitely a case to be made that they're being overlooked. They'd rather I not be on their bandwagon, they'd rather it be the entire world against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers because that that's perfect that you can't because it's natural. It's not the bullcrap Devin McCordy and I were joking about the other day. So yeah, back when, you know, you guys beat the Chargers in the playoffs and Tom Brady's out on the field saying nobody believes in his mom. Everybody believes in you. What the hell are you talking about? But he said he convinced us nobody believed in this. It's easier when nobody truly believes and nobody believes in the Buccaneers. All right. The Broncos believe in Patrick Sertain the second and this is a great parallel to the Jamal Chase situation. Sertain, a first round pick the same year, three years in, two years left. Right. Broncos could have had him this year for about three million, not a whole lot of money. Yeah. Then the fifth year option after that and what they could have done is they could have waited until after this year and offered him exactly what he got yesterday, four years, ninety six million, twenty four million per year APY. The prior record was twenty one. So they could have waited until after the season, he would have carried the injury risk all year long. The risk of catastrophic injury and also career changing injury that you recover from, you can still play, but you're not the same guy and you never get this money. They did it now. They did the right thing. They gave it to him now. This is how the properly functioning football organizations reward great young talent who pays off. We cashed in our lottery ticket with our first round pick. We got a great player, we're giving him his money after three years, we're not going to play this game or trying to get the fourth year cheap before we pay him because I guarantee you it would have been very similar next year, the deal that he got today. So good for the Broncos to do the right thing by the player and the right thing when it comes to building a culture where you reward greatness and it sends a message to all the players. If you take care of business, you don't have to wait. We're not going to screw you. We're going to pay you. Right. And he's done all the right things. There doesn't seem to be any distraction, you know, department or anything like that with Patrick's retain and he's clearly, right, you look at him and I don't think you talked to anybody in football, myself included in what I think, clearly one of the two or three best corners in football. I mean, it's certain are really soft gardeners. The first two names that come to everybody's mouth, I think, when they talk about the top corners in the game right now, right? So that's, that's, it's a, it is a good thing. And then of course with Vance Joseph and how they play on D, he is a little bit of a guy going back to his days, even in, in Arizona with, with Patrick Peterson. He'll play man to man with a certain and then play zone with everybody else. He'll use combination cover just the right way to use a Patrick's retain. So good for him. No brainer here. Like you said, he's a corner piece of the franchise and, and why wait and mess around with something like this. And you mentioned sauce gardener. Yeah. Let's see if the Jets take care of him after three years or they're going to play this game. Hey, look, it's a low amount for year four. We'll just pay him that money after year four. This is going to be one of those things that you point to dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things and the Jets have been dysfunctional. If they screw around with sauce gardener and don't pay him 24.1, 24.5, 25 million APY next year, that's a sign that, that they don't know what they're doing. Yeah. No, you're right. In the market, you alluded to Michael Parsons in the last segment and what he said, it is odd that it hasn't, you know, maybe kept pace with wide receivers or anything like that. But you know, I think right now we look at it and there's a lot of good corners. Maybe there's no, you know, deons of the world or champ Bailey's out there quite yet, right? So that, I think that's affected it. We're just in a little era, right, Jalen Rams, he's kind of out of his prime. So there's not that group of special special guys and I think the other thing that plays into is a lot of teams have looked at the corner market and just gone, some of these offenses and receivers are too good that, you know, there's no guy that can cover some of these people all the time, like the old days and with all the different formations and motions. You know why? I think that's hurt their value. We got to take a break. You know why? Why? Because the guys who could do that are playing receiver now. Look, there's definitely, you know, you're stuck, and you used to not be able to transfer. It used to be a major pain in the ass. So they want to play corner. What am I going to do? I'm going to go sit out of here, play somewhere else. I guess I'll play corner. Now, they tell you you're going to play corner, you say go screw yourself. I'm going to another team and I'll play receiver next year. That's definitely a possibility. And then the money's there. Right. The fame is there. The best athletes for that skill set generally are I think skewing toward receiver. I think it's that simple. I would say so. I mean, most kids growing up there, they want to be on the highlights of the guy running and catching the ball off her touchdown. All right. We got to take a break. Got to take a break. More PFC live right after this. Right after this. I grew up with like, you know, Phil Simpson, Bill Parcell, Bill Parcell's would yell at my dad all the time. I played for John Groot and he'd let me have it all the time. Does he ever yell at you? I don't ever think I've seen him yell at you on a game field. It's not a yell, but he has this like stare. It's like when you're, you know, you do something wrong, your dad looks at you and gives you that look and you're just like, all right, that's on me. That's on me. Yeah. They'll just give you a look as you're walking off me like, oh man, I did something stupid. Yeah. And then if he even raises his voice at all, you know. And so he does it in meetings. He's not going to go out there and do it on the field in front of everybody, but he'll give you a little bit of a look or a little bit of a louder voice where he lets you know that you're not doing it the right way. And I think the guys, everybody in the chief organization knows, like he does that. You better tighten up and get right. You can see the full interview of Patrick Holmes by this guy, Christopher David Sims, youtube.com/nfl on NBC. We both believe the chiefs will make it to the playoffs. Yes, of course. Right. You don't have them as the number one seed. I don't. You have the bangles running through the toughest division in football to end up the number one seed. That's a gutsy call. Well, we saw the Ravens do it last year. Right. I mean, they were the number one seed in that same division. Yeah. But it's the quarterback stay healthy. This is the toughest division. The problem is the quarterbacks. Yeah. How can they say healthy in that division? You're right. But listen, it's tough, right? I'm going bangles. This is, I'm feeling a bangles here. And yeah, I got the bangles. You hate the bills. Why do you hate the bills? I know. The bills and the dolphins left off. I don't believe it. That was the hardest one. Because of course, it's a quarterback league. And Josh Allen is definitely one of the two or three of us in the game. I think the Steelers finish 9 and 8 and miss it. I'm shocked. Who's got it better than us? Nobody. Well, the six team seeded ahead of us have it better than us. But at least the Chargers get it in number seven. On the NFC, you know, you and I are split on the impact of the rookie quarterback. You've got Caleb Williams taking the Bears into the postseason field and I've got Jayden Daniels doing it with a commander. Because I think that tracks to the CJ Stroud example better. Right. The division in the NFC North. More anonymity. Everybody's going to pay attention to Caleb Williams. They're not going to pay attention to Jayden Daniels and you and I both think he's going to be special. Definitely. Definitely. I just questioned the rest of their football team. I have no questions about Jayden Daniels. That's what I worry about. That's why the Bears, I like the team, let alone, I think that the quarterback is going to bring something to them there. But hey, it's a tough one. And you know, I got the Packers like you, I'm a believer. I don't know. What do the Super Bowl picks next? Okay, we're doing a next. Sorry. Damn. Who we think is going to make it to the Super Bowl when he almost said it right after this. I'm in terrible cover in this game. Football season's here. Where do I get some good food? I have a couple of days worth of no eat. Listen, if I say one, then the others will kick me out there. You can't pick a basketball, but after this, I'll give you one. I didn't know you were a politician. Yeah. There comes the food I am. The great Andy Reed, one of the all-time great coaches in the NFL, and now that he's still going in Belichick isn't, that gap is going to get smaller and smaller and smaller between Reed and Belichick. Okay, so good news Packers fans. We both believe your team is going to the Super Bowl. Bad news. We both believe your team is going to lose the Super Bowl. That's right. That's right. I do. I'm a believer in the Packers. You've heard me say all-off season. Hey, the Packers are every bit as talented as the 49ers in that divisional playoff game. Their roster is loaded, and I think Jordan Love is ready to do this. Yeah. But you've got the Bengals overcoming the Chiefs. I've got the Chiefs beating the Bengals, both in the AFC Championship. AFC Championship game, right. I've got the Buccaneers. And then I saw that. You got the AFC Championship beating your 49ers in the divisional game. That's right. I got the Packers beating the Lions in Detroit, and Detroit having to deal with that. But yeah, I'm feeling the Bengals. I am, and I do think they're the team that has got the bullseye on the Chiefs. That wouldn't have been great if it was Jets Packers in the Super Bowl. That would be great. There is. There's a possibility, some great matchups that we could get this year. All right. That's it for today. See you. I'll see you Monday. Podcast. Pops you later. I'll see you later. You're going down, Florio. The five-dollar meal deal at McDonald's means you get to pick between them a double or a chicken, then get a small fry, a small drink, and a four-piece McNuggets. That's a lot of McDonald's for not a lot of money. Get the five-dollar meal deal today. Prices and participation may vary for a limited time only. First of all, congratulations on becoming the official grill and bar sponsor of the National Football League. How does it feel to serve up the NFL? 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