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WHY ARE WE BULLISH? Jhonny Delgado, José Flores, Born to be Free ep440

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Duration:: 1h 53m
Broadcast on:: 14 Sep 2024
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[MUSIC] [MUSIC] >> What is going on everybody? Welcome to the show, another Friday, another episode of Why Are We Bullish. We've got an awesome group of panelists waiting in the wings. I'm coming to get bullish on a Friday evening. And I'm looking and I know that there's going to be some 58K gang that are upset. But we have blown past 58K for a change. And so there'll be tears and there'll be smiles depending on how you affiliate. But either way, it's a good Friday. I'm excited to have everybody here. I hope you guys are doing great, I hope you're having a good week. And of course this is live, anything can happen. So I defer to my friend Bill here. [MUSIC] >> We'll do it live, do it live. I can go write it and we'll do it live. [MUSIC] >> And things sucks. >> If you have not already, please do like, sub, share all those things. They're super important and they really help get this content in front of more eyeballs. I am Ben with the VTC sessions. This is your daily session. [MUSIC] >> I'll go get Bitcoin. [MUSIC] >> Before we dive in, let's take a look at where we are in the market right now. I'm pulling up timechaincalendar.com and simultaneously I'm going to pull up that live chat over at the right hand side of the screen, everything you say in there is now live for the world to see for better or worse. But back to Time Machine Calendar, yes, indeed we have escaped 58K, at least for the time being. We're sitting at $60,335 per coin, a single US dollar will snag you $1,657. Sats, in terms of fees, still low, three Sats per V-Bite for next block. And in terms of Bitcoin, my $19.75 million of them, that is 94.06% of the total supply. We're going to say a quick shout out to our sponsors. We'll be back in one minute with our guests, see you guys in a second. Bitcoin Well is on a mission to enable independence by being one of the easiest and quickest ways to purchase Bitcoin in Canada and the US. 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We're very excited to have them here, so I'm going to start bringing them up. So I want to welcome to the stage the duo born to be free as well as Jose from capital X, as well as Johnny Desfuego, some of the best, delicious, and just everything that you make is delicious. And I'll let you talk about this. But let's do a quick round of intros for the people watching that may be unfamiliar with who you are. We'll jump over to born to be free. Welcome, both of you. Can you guys give yourselves an intro? Yes, of course. Thank you so much for having us. We're excited for tonight. I am Nadja, and this is my husband, John. And the founders are born to be free. We make all natural, non-toxic, tele-based skincare products. We're not just a company, we're a brand. Yeah, we, you know, we're principal-based, value-driven company or brand, like Nadja said. So we like to provide a lot of value for our customers and our followers, ranging from health and wellness to we try and spread a little Bitcoin in there. We've been operating for about nine months now. So as time goes on and people get to know us more, we're going to drop a little more Bitcoin-centric stuff in there. But yeah, you know, we're loving what we do. And yeah, well, I'm glad to have you guys. Thanks for being here. And I appreciate it. One more thing. We actually did a special discount code for everybody here. If they use discount code bullish on our website, www.pointbefree.store, they'll get a 21% discount off their order. I see what you did there. That's all for all guys. Thanks. Thanks for being here. And again, sorry if there's that noise coming through. Apparently, the beginning of why we bullish is a great time for construction to begin tearing apart the sidewalk in front of my house. But either way, we're going to keep going. Jose, thank you for being here. Can you give yourself an intro for everybody that may be unfamiliar? Yeah, hi, Ben, and how to hi to everyone here on your show. Thanks for having us. Yeah, I'm the CEO of capital X, CEO and founder. We're a Bitcoin-only exchange in Mexico. We like to see ourselves as a Bitcoin one-stop shop. So anything you need related to Bitcoin while you're in Mexico, just check us out and we will help you out. Oh, yeah, that's awesome. I love to hear it. And I appreciate you taking the time to get bullish with us this evening. And I'll toss it down the line, finally, to Johnny. Good to see you, man. It's been some time. Thanks for coming on the show. Can you give yourself an intro? Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me. It's great to see you guys again. Jose, good to meet you, man. I heard some good things about you. So my name is Johnny. This is Rokoto over here. Doesn't do a lot of talking, so I'll do most of it. I'll make delicious Peruvian hot sauce. It's called Delgado Fuego, like my last name. And because all my friends always told me it was very fire. So that's what we got the name from. That's kind of what my heart is most of the time. And I also work with Motive Peru, helping creating circular economies in Peru, Peru is where I was born and raised. And also started a meetup group over there called Orangeville Peru. You can check us out. We had meetups and Lima, Peru, if you guys are around. And here in where I live in Charlotte, I'm part of the Bitcoin Charlotte group. And of course, we're organizing Halloween. But yeah, just a little bit of everything. Like he said, it's all delicious. That's awesome. Well, again, I'm super glad to have you. Super glad to have everybody in the panel this evening. And we're going to dive in. So anybody that's watching that may be unfamiliar, this show is called Why Are We Bullish? And very simple premise to it. Each one of us have come with a reason for being bullish. There's something we're currently excited about in and around Bitcoin. And the flow of the show is pretty simple. So whatever the person's reason, it could be a personal item. It could be a bit of news. It could be like an app or a device that they're currently happy. But it doesn't matter. It can be anything. But the flow of the show is, number one, somebody's going to drop their reason for being bullish. This is their chance to rant a little bit about what they're currently excited about. Number two, altogether, we're going to riff on that reason. Comments, questions, whatever rivals we go down. And finally, number three, we're going to rotate to the next person until we've each had a turn. So reason, riff, rotate, nice and simple. So I'm going to get us started off this evening. And I've been kind of ranting about this the past couple of days, because I just got through learning about and trying out this new thing, this new, I don't know, app. He's a software boy that, I mean, it's something that I'm, I feel almost like I'm irrationally excited about it. But it's just like one of those things that I started using and I'm like, wow, everything's working together. And I can suddenly do all of that. And I've tried stringing together something like this before, but I'm going to, I'm going to take you on a little journey here of finding the share my screen that you guys can see. So this is, this is my start nine Bitcoin node at home. And so currently running, and I've got this cool little app that's called AlbiHub, and I just put out a tutorial on it yesterday. I did a bit of a rant on the new show on it yesterday as well. But so I guess it's a little bit of a cheat for my reason for being bullish, but I don't care it's my show, I'll do what I want. - He's doing it live. - Yeah, exactly. So anyways, AlbiHub, so what is this thing? Effectively, it's a way of setting up maintaining, connecting and utilizing your lightning node, not just at home, but remotely and connecting it to external apps. And it makes your lightning node easy to set up and also much more useful than I've found it in the past. And the reason I say that is prior, I'd maybe be using something like ThunderHub or ride the lightning to kind of get things set up and get lightning channels and all that. And it can be intimidating, especially when you're looking at a couple of those interfaces. It's not the most intuitive thing. Like it doesn't hand hold you through it and there's all these like dials and buttons. It's like if you're not a pilot and you go sit in the cockpit of a plane and you just see all of these buttons and you're like, I have no clue what the hell to even begin doing. Whereas AlbiHub, it just kind of hand holds you through it. And I won't say it's as easy obviously as just like using, you know, like some of the custodial lightning wallets. And for some people, that may be totally enough for them. They just want to be able to zap a few bucks back and forth. That's totally fine. But I am a bit more of a power user and so I have a lot of use for something like this. So AlbiHub, it basically gives you a short list of, here's the things that you should do when you set this up. And it didn't take very long. It allows you to, so you have a node and it allows you to create channels. So you can go and open a channel and you just say, okay, well, how large of a channel do I want? And if you want, you can even choose like what node will open a channel with you if you want to get advanced like that, but you don't have to. But you just say, okay, I want a million sat channel and you queue it up and they'll say, okay, well, this is how much it'll cost you to get a lightning channel for somebody to open it for you. And then you pretty much just pay that invoice, which might be like a few bucks or something like that or 10 bucks maybe if somebody's gonna lock up Bitcoin in the channel with you for six months. And then it just works. And then you can just start receiving lightning payments and you don't have to worry about it. Alternatively, you could go and yes, you can add on-chain Bitcoin and then say, top up my spending balance and that will open a lightning channel for you, but either way it walks you through all those steps. And once you've done that, then you basically got this lightning wallet so you can do the regular send and receive kind of functionality here in your wallet and that's all well and good. But it starts to get cool when you start to look at these connections that you can have and you can like connect different apps and websites and everything and they've got this app store where you can link up your ALB hub with all of these different apps that utilize lightning for one reason or another. And so the first thing that I did was I got the browser extension. So I can just do send and receive, simple send and receive wallets and it's nice and easy to use. It also gives me a lightning address, btcestions@getalb.com, that directs right back to my own node on my shelf behind me from anywhere. And it's super seamless. And on top of that, I've begun connecting other apps. And so I'm actually going to pull up as an example. I'm going to show my phone here and give me a second to get it pulled up here. There it is. Okay, one sec, I'll pull it into the screen. There it is. So I actually connected a handful of things. So ALB, you can do a progressive web app, which is just going in your browser and then you just save it to your home screen. And so this gives me my wallet. And so I can go anywhere and it's just connected to my own node at home. And it queues up quickly. Like it's no, it's not going through Tor or anything like that, it just kind of works. And they do nonster wallet connect and all these just clever ways of making this accessible from anywhere. But they also have an app coming out called ALBGO. And this is kind of like an early version of it, but very simple, receive, send, and it shows your balance. And it's very easy to use. But let's say you want something a little bit more complex. I also was able to link Zeus to it. And anybody that's used Zeus before knows that that loading screen usually takes forever. And then I was like, I have a second. So you have all these options for connections, which are just super slick. And beyond that, I've also linked Primal for Noster. So like if I go and start my connections, not great with the phone, but you get the point, I can link up my Noster to my own node. And beyond that, I also use Zaprite a lot for invoicing and everything because I do live on Bitcoin. And so Zaprite has a couple of cool things. They have a point of sale terminal, so like, which is just like a link that you can open up in any browser. And so if I'm doing a market or something, maybe I'll, and maybe I'll get, if some club watching wants to send over like 200, 200 Sats or 20 Sats, even what's better, obviously 21 Sats. But if somebody wants to send over 21 Sats, just as a proof of concept to show it pop in to my Lightning node, I'm just gonna leave that on the screen for a second. But the point is that this link could be shared for to any person working in a storefront. And they don't have access to the funds because it's going back to my own Lightning node. There's no spending capability. It's just a static link and anybody can type in any amount and pay any amount. And it goes back to your own Lightning node from anywhere. So, and hopefully we'll see. Maybe people aren't feeling like sending me 21 Sats here, but hopefully we'll see it pop up. And then we'll go back and we'll be able to see it in AlbiHub and we'll also be able to see it in the browser link up here and we'll be able to see it everywhere that it's connected. It's just instantly, so there we go. Thanks, thanks whoever did that. But I can now click on this and there's that payment that we just got. And it's an instantly accessible. I'd be able to see it on my phone. I could then spend it. I can, you know, just everything is interconnected. And same thing, if I go to Primal and I want to zap a post, you know, I'll just scroll a little bit. Obviously, there's another ban. I can't not zap another ban. So I'll zap him and there we go. And it just prompts me, hey, do you want to pay this invoice? And yes, absolutely. And so then I just zapped him and if I look at there, I can see like the outgoing from all my zap that I just did a second ago. So this is everything just plunks together so nicely and works so seamlessly together. And it's all self-hosted. It's all on my start nine behind me. And I just, again, are rationally excited about how well it came together and that I didn't, it wasn't super hard this time. So I really, I really do like it. So I'm, anyways, I know my ranting, I'm going to open it up to you guys. I guess in general, I'd love to hear anybody's thoughts on this, but also I'd love to hear a little bit like where you are in your Bitcoin light and journey, like what tools you're currently using, what where you'd like to get to. So whoever wants to dive in, feel free to queue it up. I can go first, like, I can talk, I can talk for experience. And like what you just did, it's really hard. Like people don't realize like having your own lightning wallet, like it's very easy if you're working on your own network. But once you go outside that network, like you before that, like you really need crazy technical skills and configure, you know, your firewall and open ports. And it was like a very hard thing to do for the average person. So I'm just mind blown, like, wow. I mean, it really makes it just plug and play and click, like that would actually make lightning less decentralized. So I mean, impressive for cheers to the Albi guys. They're really making great, great job. It's, and it's, the nice thing is connecting, connecting those wallets that I had on my phone. It's literally you just go in and you, you hit add connection and it just brings up a QR code and it's using something in the background called nonster wallet connect. But you scan it and then it's just linked. You can adjust it like if you wanna set a budget so that, you know, like you're worried, oh, I don't wanna have access to my full lightning node balance. You can set like, oh, maybe I'm only allowed to spend 100,000 sets a week on it or something like that or a million sets over the course of a month. And then it'll, you know, it'll bump up against that. So that, but you can set it as you see fit and you're not having to like do tour connections and it's not a pain in the ass. So it's, yeah, it's quite good as you're pointing at. - It was the last hurdle, you know, the last hurdle because before having your own node, it was difficult but then umbrella and then the one you just showed, like make it like a UI very simple. But then there was this hurdle to use it outside your local connection and now, you know, they just, they just make it happen. It's just crazy how technology keeps improving. - Yeah, no, that helps a lot with adoption, you know, 'cause that's usually what we need. You guys have many people come into the space lost about what they're doing, you know? And I'll be safe, my butt, when blue wall, they moved away from lightning servers. And then that's what I use as my server. I use blink wall whenever I'm outside of the United States, but I can still use it here. But yeah, I'll be, man, good job guys, that was amazing. - The other cool thing about it too, like you're talking about accessibility and you know, helping people become a little bit more self-sovereign with this. One of the things I really like about this is from the hub, I can be like, oh, I wanna, I wanna allow say a family member to connect to my node not like take the money out of my existing balance, but I can go and I can say like, oh, I wanna add a connection and I want this one to be isolated, meaning this app will have its own balance and only sees its own transaction. So when the person links to it, they will see a zero balance, but they use my lightning channels to be able to receive payments and it will just be a segregated balance just for them. So I can like Uncle Jim, my friends and family if I want through my node. So at least it becomes, you know, yeah, they're not hosting their own node, but like they know the person who is and I think that's super cool as well. - Yeah, that looks awesome. I mean, we're not the most technical. I do wanna know, but I kinda stopped at the lightning channel part, but. - It's hard, man, it's hard. Like, I imagine you looked at it and you're like, what the hell am I looking at? - Yeah, and I was really excited when I got the node. I think it was a little over two years ago. I just bought my node. I've been having some issues. So I'm actually gonna get a start nine just because I kind of lost my patience. Not that, you know, it was great at that time, but I wanna use all the other features that you just showed, but I tried to set it up all in the same day. Like I was so excited about my node. So I set that up, took me a little while and then I tried to set up the lightning right after that. I was like, ah, I screw this. And then I just never came back to it. I was using blue wallet. And then when that, when they went away from that, I was using Phoenix. And then I just moved from Phoenix to Zeus because of the Phoenix in, you know, we're in America. So obviously. (laughs) - Peacefully. - Yeah, but after all that nonsense, and then Ben, like you said, Zeus takes forever to load. So like, I haven't even been using it. I'm back to using Moon, which isn't even full lightning. So it's like, it's just frustrating. So now you actually just help me out. I'm gonna get that start nine. I'm gonna download that and continue to use my Zeus. - Hell yeah, man. It's, again, it's, 'cause I really like what Evan Colutis and Zeus wallet are doing. But yeah, when it's running a node on your own phone, again, that, that, that intro screen and like getting connected is just, it takes a while to boot up and like, that's not a, it's not an ideal experience when you're like, I'm gonna use lightning 'cause it's quick and I can do like quick, small payments and every, and then you're sitting there like, yeah, okay, I'll buy this coffee just a sec, hold on. I'm just, I'm just starting up. (laughs) I'm booting up the lightning node on my phone. Give me a couple minutes here. Like, AOL, the dial told, my God. - Oh my God, yes. - It's when it first came out. (laughs) - Yeah, exactly. It's, it's very much that. It's, it's like the, the promise is there. It's just the, the, the headache of being the ultra early adopter, the like, you know, 1% of the populate of the sub, far like sub sub 1% of people that are even trying to dabble in having like a lightning wallet on their phone and utilize Bitcoin day to day. It's just like so minimal right now. - That's what we saw early. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. So what, what you guys, I've got to ask currently, what are you guys using for day to day lightning wallets if you are using lightning wallets on your phone or something? - Yeah, so I'm using moon. I know it's not a real lightning wallet. I found that out when the whole ordinal thing was happening and fees were through the roof. - Right, yeah. - You were actually in El Salvador last year when that was going on. So it was a little frustrating because I was paying everybody in Bitcoin, but I had to switch to on change. So I was paying, you know, just to contribute to the, to the circular economy, I was paying crazy fees, but I was too stubborn to use fiat. So I was like, all right. - So I was like, all right. - No, no fiat. So lightning wasn't working. So I was like, you know what? I'm just going to, I'm going to pay these fees because, you know, I want to, I'm determined to use Bitcoin. I'm here in El Salvador and I'm going to use it. So with a situation like that, it was, it was a little frustrating. At that time though, I was using Phoenix, but even Phoenix wasn't able to, to process payments at the time. - Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, it's been tricky. And I mean, you guys in the U.S. like what, I mean, wallet is Satoshi pulls out. And so that was like the easy option for custodial. You had, again, obviously Phoenix was like, yeah, we're just not going to be in the U.S. app store. Any more, you know, and on top of that, obviously, like not lightning related, but like there's the spooks around like, oh, well, we're going to shut down and, and arrest the samurai founders and that, that spooked everybody. And you guys have been through the wringer when it comes to easy lightning options. I mean, there's, there's Blink as well. And they just never even were in America. They were just like, yeah, we're not, we're not going there at all. And even like, I, I do in terms of like lightning wall, I really like speed. They are a custodial option, but like it works like a charm. But like, because speed is like worried about the U.S. and how they're handling things, they're like, all right. Only U.S. customers, we're going to need like some sort of like ID type something 'cause we don't want to get slapped by the DOJ or something. And so it's like, yeah, if you're in the U.S, you don't have a lot of great options. So in terms of like just easy onboarding code for lightning, that doesn't require some type of trade off. And so it's, it's a bit of a minefield. - Yeah. - Yeah, for sure. - How time flies, you know, I was in the U.S. Like eight years ago, doing my undergrad. And, you know, if you tell me then that, you know, technology was going to be like somehow like interrupted or not being like able to flourish in America, I would not believe you. Like it's just crazy how things change so fast. And yeah, for me, what I use is, you know, capital X of course, but when I want to do it in a, in a self sovereign way, I use CSU connected to my wallet. And I use, I don't know if you, if you heard about tail scale, just got like a VPN. It's, it's pretty fast and it's, it works great. - Yeah. That's, that was like the, for like Umbral, that's a good solution in terms of just being able, or I, I think that is, is it on my node as well? - Umbral. - Okay. All right. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's, it's like a good, it's like makes a VPN to your nodes. So you don't have to go through Tor, it just does like a quick connection. So you gotta have, so you just have like the app running in the background, you're good to go. Definitely like a good in-term solution for reliable connections. And I think, I think Start9's going to start to have some options in that vein. They didn't add a tail scale because it's not open source, but they, they're, they're going to have some, you know, VPN type solutions come in, come in pretty soon. So, yeah. Yeah. - Johnny, what did you say you were, you were currently using? I don't know if I heard. - Well, I am in the land of the free. So, you know, I use coinbase. - No, I'm, I'm just kidding. No, I did go through a lot of them. I like to use different wallets just to mess around with it, just play around. So I use wallets atoshi, phi, neck, zoos. Whenever I went to El Salvador, I got a Salvadorian number and I downloaded Blink. I even got Delgado Puego on the map until they told me, oh, we can't have it 'cause you're in the US. - Yeah. - So that's the one I've been having. And unfortunately, my phone just got destroyed. So luckily I was able to get all of my Blink funds out of there. So now I'm using blue wallet for now. - Yeah, yeah, fair enough. And I actually, Johnny, I just saw that, that link. So are they open source? - They, they are just, I think they released some of their code recently. But you need to do your own instance. But yeah, they do. - At least none of them. - So maybe, okay. Oh, that's promising. That's good to hear. Awesome. And I do, I wanna pull up, again, this, this makes me sad. This is another one that I forgot to mention, but sat-wise brings up a good one. Mutiny wallet, Lightning Gateway and Fettament was dope. And then they just, they just like, well, I won't say they rug pulled, but they basically said, like, hey, we're sunsetting everything. It's just like, not working out, which is sad. You can self-host it, but like, yeah, you know, that's unfortunate. Mutiny is, I think that they had a good, I think that they had a good idea in the way that they were structuring things. Bringing people in through a Fettament so you can just start receiving right away. And then when you get up to a certain point, when you get up to a certain balance, they're like, oh, just tap this button and it'll make a, it'll convert into a Lightning Channel for you because that makes sense with that amount. I think that's a good way of going about it. Blitz, is it Blitz wallet? I think they're doing something like that. They're doing some weird mix between cashew and like liquid swaps with bolts and then full self-custody Lightning channels. And depending on the increment that you are, it'll move from one to the other, which is kind of interesting. - They just make life more complex, you know? I think Lightning works pretty well. - Yeah, fair enough. - Awesome, well, I'm gonna put a bow on this topic here. I was able to get that off my chest. Thank you guys for indulging me in my nerdy excitement over my Albi hub. But with that, I'm gonna do a rotation. Born to be free, I'm looking at you guys. I imagine you have a pair of reasons for being bullish. So I'm gonna let you navigate that on your own, whoever wants to go first and everything. But yeah, I'll queue you up with the same question everybody's gonna get, why are you bullish? - Awesome, all right, I'm gonna go first. And thanks for all that information, by the way, we're gonna definitely check that out. I'm excited about it. But yeah, so why am I bullish? Oh my God, so there's so many reasons why I'm bullish. And I am just as bullish as I am nervous right now to tell you guys. (laughing) I got it, I got it, all right. So I'm gonna go with this one because it hits home with me. So just a little backstory. So John and I got into Bitcoin. It was the end of 2020, so COVID times, right? We went down a whole bunch of rabbit holes, like many other people did. Those rabbit holes were chemicals in our skincare products, toxins in the environment, our food system, the corruption of our food system. And just our health overalls of society just declining. And with all those rabbit holes, they all tied together and they all had one thing in common, well two things actually, that's money and greed, right? So then we went down the monetary rabbit hole. And I guess we kind of simultaneously did this, like John went down, he's like the numbers guy and I'm like the visionary person, right? And kind of like do my own thing. But so he went down the monetary rabbit hole and I went down like the health rabbit hole. And with that, we discovered Bitcoin. And once we discovered Bitcoin, we freed him money as we like to call it. We couldn't shut up about it. We were just so fired up, didn't stop talking about it. I think our family and friends started getting really sick of hearing about it, especially because they haven't pieced the puzzle pieces together yet, you know? So I think we came on a little stroll and a little hard at first, but you know, we took a step back and now I feel like the tide is shifting. More recently than ever, I feel like people are starting to wake up. They're starting to realize that something's broken and something is wrong here. They're working harder, they're working longer hours and they're not being rewarded for it. And you know, we know that this is because of the government constantly printing money and inflating the dollar and you know, we're losing our purchasing power. So, you know, they've been conditioned to think that inflation is normal and it's not. As we know, it's not, it's stealing their wealth, it's stealing their time and it's stealing their quality of living. You know, a lot of people are living paycheck to paycheck and they're, they can't buy a home or they can't take that vacation that they want to take or they're kind of like cheaping out on like quality food and then, you know, that affects their health in the long term, you know, but trying to make, working over time and trying to make ends meet comes with a trade-off and you're sacrificing the things that are worth, that make life worth living and you know, that's time with your loved ones, that's quality time. So, next to Bitcoin, time is our scarce asset, right? And, you know, we're not meant to grind our lives away. We're human beings, I love this saying, we're human beings, we're not human beings, right? We're here to live, we're here to just pull. So, you know, I think everyone's starting to understand that there is an issue here and they're getting frustrated and once that frustration bucket starts to overflow, I think they're going to start seeking a solution and as we know that solution is Bitcoin. Bitcoin's also finally taking the center stage and I mean, we've got presidential candidates that are talking about it and going to Bitcoin conferences and, you know, talking about it and trying to win Bitcoiners votes. It's, you know, it's an amazing thing. They understand the importance of this scarce digital asset and, you know, it's changing the world as we know it and, you know, I'm hoping that this gives Bitcoin some more credibility, the credibility that it actually deserves. So, anyway, that whole rant, why am I bullish? I'm bullish because Bitcoin wasn't just invented to be cool, it's not just another cryptocurrency, you know, it's here to stay and it was invented to fix this very problem that we're all facing right now and, you know, it's the tool to help reclaim our freedom our time and our future, really. I think we've all had enough of being enslaved by this broken system and Bitcoin is our way out and I think we're just getting started here. So, that's why I'm bullish. - I love it. It is that tool to set you free, right? Like if somebody can, if you're pouring your blood, sweat and tears into a money that somebody else can print for free, like are you free then? Like that's the real question of it. Like they're stealing your time. It's, yeah, I love that. I'm going to let Johnny or Jose tap in there. If there's any little threads that you want to pull on and everything and if there's anything that you want to add to it, but I don't know what do you guys think there? - I, you know, as a Bitcoin, I agree everything you guys say. I do believe that we have forgotten to be true humans and get to our higher self and be able to do the amazing things that we can do because we're so busy trying to make money to survive and then, you know, die. We don't really get to do what we're meant to do, which that's why I believe plant medicine and Bitcoin will save us all. That's something I truly believe myself. And yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, Bitcoin opens your eyes to a lot of these things and it changes your mind and it hopes, I hope they keep going. You know, it keeps adopting and we, we just keep doing this, yeah. - Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think like you said, like once that bucket starts filling out, you know, people start looking for solutions and Bitcoin is here to help anyone who wants to help, you know? So it's just a matter of them wanting to help themselves. - Wanting it, exactly. They have to want it. - It's saying you can't bring the horse, you can bring the horse to the water, but you can't make a drink, right? - You can make it thirsty. - That's true. (all laughing) - Yeah, and it's interesting how, like people come in to Bitcoin from different perspectives and sometimes it's, you know, Bitcoin can change the way you think about the world. And other times people have already begun to change the way they think about the world, which then leads them to Bitcoin. So it's like there's no set path for anybody. And for me, it was very much the, I had what I thought was a picture of how the world worked. And then I encountered Bitcoin and bit by bit, it tore down my preconceived notions of how everything worked. And I think completely differently than I did before. I, you know, I've said this before, but it's still a source of shame. Like I voted in Justin Trudeau back in 2015. You know, I was, you know, a back and back in that time, like I would have been, you know, Bernie Bro to the max, like, oh yeah, let's like get even, like get, get even more social programs and like, you know, like let's redistribute so that and, and UBI is a great idea. We'll just give everybody money. Doesn't that solve everything, right? Like that was my line of think, 'cause I hadn't thought any deeper of it that like the money itself isn't the value. It's like the, the, the actual assets and it's the actual goods and services and the hard work that people do are the actual wealth and just adding more paper dollars doesn't make anybody wealthier. Like I just didn't understand that. So it reshaped everything for me. - Right. I mean, we're programming a certain way and until we realized that there's another side and we started scrutinizing into what else is available, then we just followed the herd. And I mean, I've been, I've been there too. You know, I grew up in Peru and I've seen this, how everything was there and they moving here. I was like, okay, I see two different worlds now. So now I'm in this world in the United States or will America. And then I'm like, wait, there's something going on here and then Bitcoin just help me there, you know, along with everything else, 'cause I'm always questioning everything you have. - Yeah, I like to say Bitcoin is the greatest teacher because it really, once you start studying it, you learn so much about so many different facets of what's going on. I mean, you know, we got, I got into it, thought it was just like a stock play or something like that. And then you just start listening to podcasts. You come across one thing, you start reading books. And then you discover the Federal Reserve and money printing and bonds and debt. It's just, I mean, people are so busy working that they're not taking the time to study this, but it's so important because it really does change your entire outlook on the world and how it functions. And it does help you think a little more clear. So once you understand it, I feel like you're better. You're better off and you're able to make well-informed decisions on how to navigate your own personal life. - Yeah, 100%, 100%. Now, I wanna kind of, I wanna keep it with you guys so that we can kind of do both at the same time, but I also wanna like leave some room. If anybody, like if there's any tag-ons through this one, and you guys kind of alluded that maybe your reasons for being bullish may a little bit kind of flow into each other. So I don't wanna like preemptively flow over into the next one, but unless anybody has like more tidbits that they wanna add in, or you guys can move on to reason two for the two of you if you want. - Yes, yes, so not as bullish because people, at least the people opposed to us, it's becoming apparent that they're recognizing that there is a problem. That's why she's bullish. I'm bullish on the actual problem. So I'm gonna nerd out a little bit too, and I like to take like an economical point of view. - Numbers guy, the visionary gal. - Yeah, so she's bullish that people are realizing there's a problem and I'm bullish, the problem is actually making me very bullish. And I like to always start with that, the GDP, and like my man Greg Fossil, he says the US is the fastest horse at the Blue Factory, so I'll start with them. So the US debt to GDP is 125%, right? But as we all know, bitcoins are global asset. It's not just specific to the United States. So I really like the global debt to GDP metric, and that's around 340%. And it's in the same number and shout out to Jack Mallard because I love his definition of money. He says that money is out of energy in an abstracted form that we use to either save or exchange for goods and services, right? So the global debt to GDP metric, it shows that governments across the world, not just in the US have been borrowing a tremendous amount of our time and energy. And the main problem is there's no growth to pay it back. So somebody has to realize that loss. And that somebody is anybody who stores their time and energy in the dollar or pick your local fiat currency or government bonds. So those are the individuals that are gonna be hurt the most. And just to kind of hone in on the actual figure is that the US national debt is, it's over $35.3 trillion. And it's going rapidly, right? I mean, the annual interest payment alone is over a trillion dollars. That's just one line item, a trillion dollars. That's more than the defense spending. That's more than Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, any of that. So that's compounding fast. And then again, if we zoom out, you have the global debt, which is over $315 trillion. And you could talk around these numbers, but it's really difficult for us humans to comprehend the magnitude of a million, a trillion, a trillion. So I like to use this example to kind of put it in perspective. I like to use time. So a million seconds is equivalent to about 12 days, okay? You got a million seconds, that's 12 days. One billion seconds is equivalent to 32 years. Just under 32 years, it's 31 years and eight months, but we'll just say 32 years. So you have a million seconds, 12 days, a billion seconds, 32 years. That's an insane jump from a million to a billion. Now you take a trillion, a trillion seconds is 31,688 years. So you have these elected or unelected bureaucrats just tossing around trillions like it's nothing. Like, hey, what's a couple trillion amongst friends, eh? Like it's nothing. I mean, it's mind-blowing and just don't even, they don't think twice about it. They don't question it. Often I hear, oh, we just got to earn more money. Like, no dude, I'm not working 100 hours a week, 120 hours a week to earn more money that they could just continuously print at no cost of energy or time of their own. So actually, another crazy stat, Janet Yellen just released a report somewhat recently from the Treasury. It's 450 pages, of course, so nobody reads it, right? Somewhere in there, there's a statistic on unfunded liabilities and unfunded liabilities are promises that we made as a nation, that we have to pay, but there's no money to pay it. Now, this is crazy, right? So it's just two programs, Medicare and Social Security. And that number is $170 trillion. (laughter) - So well. (laughter) - So, now there's only one way to resolve all this, to pay all this, and we all know what it is. That's printing money, that's inflating the money supply, which in turn debases the purchasing power of those individuals that store their savings in the dollar or any fiat currency or bonds, because a 5% yield is not nearly enough to keep up with true inflation. I'm not talking about the manipulated CPI metric. I'm talking about beachfront real estate, ribeye stakes, like go put that in the basket and come back to me and tell me if you think it's 5%. It's more like 10% compounded over the last 100 years since the Federal Reserve was accepted. So I mean, it's obvious why I'm bullish, because when they print money, when the government central banks print money, and the empty money supply expands and there's global liquidity coming into the market, we all know what Bitcoin does. It appreciates aggressively. So, man, that's why I'm voting. - Well, thanks, guys. - I love it, I love it. You know what I had ticking away over on my side screen here while you were saying that. I was like, okay, as soon as this rant is, and this reason for being bullish at obligatory, we had to bring this up at that clock. - Yeah, if people don't believe me. - Yeah. So like, I just like to adopt the median income in the US as of 2024, and this is median, not average, but the median income is $80,000 a year. And if you look up here at the US national debt, literally like, and there's somebody's yearly income, there's somebody's yearly income. Like, it's literally like every second and a half, two seconds, three seconds, something like that. It's just the median household, or the median income is just like spent and just gone. And it's not slowing down, right? Like, it's crazy. And you look at some of these numbers, like again, like Medicare, Medicaid, all that. Like it just, it's unbelievable. This is such a great website too. It's just, and there's no way that the human brain can comprehend these numbers. Like, like as you said, it's just, we hear million, billion and trillion, and just treat them relatively the same. But like a trillion dollars is just so astronomically high, that it's inconceivable to most of us, like to wall to everybody. Like your brain just can't wrap your head around a number like that. But it's, again, when you're basically out of spending and out of nothing creating the equivalent of somebody's yearly salary inside of a couple of seconds, that you're kind of, it's like you're erasing that person's economic impact. So every two seconds, the US erases the economic impact of an entire year of one of their schools working. And all of this decisions that they would have made and where they allocate the resources, it's just kind of like undone at the press of the button. And so like, I often say that how you spend the fruits of your labor communicates your values. And you expect those values to be reflected back at you because you're contributing to society and you help kind of form what that society does by allocating your resources. But again, if that's undone by the government and they're money printing, your values are diluted and no longer reflected back to you in kind in terms of like how much you've contributed. And so I think when you don't see that, your values aren't reflected back at you through the society you're living in and contributing to and you continue to lose those values and your values degrade. So like it, I think it undermines the moral fabric of society. And makes people get to that nihilistic place where they're like, well, why do I bother? Why do I contribute? Why do I do anything? I'm just gonna figure out how to, you know, siphon away from the system 'cause that's what it's doing to me. I think that's the net effect, but I'm curious to hear Jose and Johnny and what they have to say about it too. - Yeah, I mean, I think it's just, you know, the debt problem is not going anywhere. I think it's just gonna be a change of system. But for now, let's just, like Seder is doing, you know, let's use it to our advantage and help ourselves play the system, play their game and then move on to the next game, which is going to come in pretty soon, you know? - The Hunger Games. But yeah, we're definitely living in some type of modern slavery that's designed to just keep us all numb. 'Cause yeah, look at those numbers. Doesn't really mean a lot to a lot of people until you really look into them. But even then, like you said, takes so long for a trillion seconds. - Yeah. - I can't compete that. I don't understand that. There's that much money out there that we owe and we're supposed to pay over $100,000 each one of us. Like when do they come pick Malette? - Yeah, and something that Nas said, and why she was bullish that people are conditioned to believe that prices are just supposed to go up, right? Like the infamous 2% target of the Fed, you know, just 2% which is compounding every year that they just steal from our purchasing power, our time and energy. And I love Jeff Booth's point of view on this with the technology is deflationary, right? Like, I mean, how is it that you could purchase a home in the early 1900s for on average? I think it was $2,500. And today in 2024, it's on average $400,000. Now, it's easier to build a house. You use less manpower because we have tools and technology. It's easier to actually gather the materials. And to top it all off, the houses today are built like shit in comparison to the houses in the early 1900s. So not only are we paying exponentially more, we're getting a garbage product for a lot more money when we should actually be paying less than $2,500 for a house. And then people will say, oh, well, wages kept up, you know, wages increased too. But no, wages did not increase to the, at the rate that the cost of living increased. I mean, we should be reaping the benefits. And by we, I mean, all of humanity, of technology. Technological innovation is something that we do as a civilization together. And that's why I love Bitcoin. Because Bitcoin not only protects us from the corruption of government overspending, but it also allows us to reap the benefits of technological innovation that we, the human, because governments don't produce shit. We produce everything that we produce. So, you know, that's, that's something to the, that we've been conditioned to just think, oh, well, prices just are supposed to go up because that's the way it is. - No, yeah, it kind of makes you wonder, had we, had we not been sitting through a fiat currency? Had we actually had some money for the past number of decades? Like what, what kind of incentives? Like on, on top of the fact that, yeah, you would, you would then basically give access to the, I mean, the reason that we see such a wealth gap is because the wealth and the ethics are, it's much easier to have them concentrate into the hands of a few. And the technological benefits are, it's easy to kind of siphon those off when you can be corporate of the money spigot. I wonder how incentives would have aligned in what we would, what types of technological leaps forward we would have made with properly incentivized money, right? Like right now it's build the cheapest, crappiest thing and just, and just pump it out so that you can, you know, earn some money and then, and then, you know, get some hard assets. And everybody is getting by by buying cheaper and lower quality products and food and everything. But what if everything was just getting better and cheaper all the time? And so people began to actually more carefully decide on where they're gonna allocate the fruits of their labor. And like what other things could we have allocated time and effort to, what leaps forward in innovation? What incredible things could we have accomplished if everybody actually had the time and the means to put their skills to the test in areas and like, propellant of the future, rather than like, okay, how are we gonna figure out how to scrape something together so that we can put some food on the table for our kids? - Yeah, and just look what they did on the Renaissance, you know, you know, it was like way back and look what they built and, you know, and look what we've built, you know, it's like buildings in New York, it's like 40 years since they've built them and they're falling apart and then you go to Italy and there's like 2,000 year buildings and you're like, what, you know, it's just crazy. - I love it. - We'll probably be building things that a thousand years from now, people will be like, hey, that was aliens, they did that. - Yeah, Ben, to touch on what you were just saying, right, I think about often, just think about the amount of intellectual capital that we lost to the Fiat system, right, like how many doctors, scientists, engineers, architects went to Wall Street because that's where the money was, to play around with Excel spreadsheets and numbers, that doesn't produce any value to propel society forward, right? How many of the smartest individuals went that route instead of following their passion to become an architect or an inventor or be like an Elon Musk or somebody like that? I mean, I think about that all the time, it has to be tens of millions of people that went that route instead of going with their passion and how much we lost as a society because of that, it's frustrating to say that. - 100% I'm just gonna jump off of you too and what Ben said, but like, you know, we are just so disconnected too, like we're just so disconnected with ourselves, with nature, especially like, we're like robots these days, you know, so if we didn't, if we can contribute to society by like providing value and just, you know, and contributing to ourselves and really putting ourselves first and reconnecting with like, you know, nature and the things that we're supposed to be doing, it's like, we're not like human anymore. You know what I mean? It's people are sick, man. Like just, it's just such a different world that we're living in compared to like 100 years ago. Like we've been skincare. I mean, I could go on about this forever, like down a million rabbit holes, like skincare and food. I mean, you know, there's just all these chemicals now and all these vaccines that are getting injected in cows and, you know, cows aren't even being raised in the US anymore. We raised the best keep here in this country, but we're sourcing it from other countries, you know, they're world countries and it's just like, this is the stuff that we're putting in our bodies. This is how we're treating the American people and, you know, it's just, that's like not the way that it's supposed to be. We could be flourishing and thriving in so many other ways, but because of money, the, you know, being devalued, it's just broken money, broken system. Yeah, the bad intentions. So I just got to keep building our own parallel structures, our own avenues and just opting out of the system. But I just hope more people wake up soon. Have you guys read Fiat food? Yeah, of course. Oh, good. It was like, that's my favorite read in quite a long time. I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Matthew, we shall. God, what a legend. And I mean, he was an investigative journalist calling out government corruption for 20 years. And it, like, the way that he dissected, like the rabbit hole of, like, how screwed our food system is now. And, like, all of the different things that came together to make it as bad as it is right now is mind-bending. What a good read. It's a piece, huh? Yeah. It's a piece that's sick bastard. [LAUGHTER] Like, the hilarious thing, the thing about the Kellogg brothers and, like, Kellogg's cornflakes and, like, why that was invented. When you say it out loud, people are, like, you're a crazy person. Like, it's really serious. Yeah. Yeah, you clearly made this up. Or wherever you got this is, like, completely illegitimate. But, like, that's a real thing. He was literally commissioned by the Seventh-day Adventist Church to make a replacement for meat as a breakfast alternative, because too many-- like, they wanted it to be, like, to kill men's testosterone, so they would stop masturbating. Like, that was the reason for-- that was the inception of Kellogg's cornflakes, too. Whoa. That's right around. Yeah. Wild, right? We have a food pyramid, right? And all the food that they serve in school. I mean, Cali means is another guy. If you listen to him, he's unbelievable. Yeah. All of this fish is calling out the corruption, I mean. But that's the thing. Since COVID, things have turned around. And people-- COVID did one of two things. You could have either just been a part of the herd and put your head down for your mask on, yes, sir. Yes, ma'am, you know, do as you're told, or you went the other way. You started asking questions, and you started building and seeking out parallel structures, and-- He came woke or he woke up. Yeah. He was like one or the other. That's fair. Yeah. Awesome. Well, I love that. And again, I think both reasons for being bullish complimented each other perfectly, so I appreciate that. You can plan that at all, sir. [LAUGHTER] Well, that's awesome. Well, I'll put a bow on that set of reasons for being bullish, and we are going to do another rotation. Before we do, I'm going to do our final shout out to sponsors, and we're also going to give away some sats. So if people in the audience have their lightning wallets on the ready, one person will end up snagging some sats as soon as we come back. So we'll do our quick shout outs here, and we will be back momentarily. So I'll see you guys in just a sec. Speed wallet is a Bitcoin lightning wallet built with simplicity and mind. 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So whoever scans first is going to redeem 500 sats right now. So I'll leave it on the screen for a few seconds there, and hopefully somebody snags them. And if you do snag the sats, let me know wherever you may be, whether it be watching over on Noster or on YouTube or on X, wherever you are, let me know in the comments. And congrats to whoever snags those sats. And with that, let's dive back into the show. And Jose, I'm gonna toss it to you. I'm gonna queue you up with the same question everybody gets. Why are you bullish? - So, why am I bullish? To be honest, it's just seeing how, you know, I have so many friends that I've been trying to orange feel for the last five, seven, 10 years. I'm not friends, you know, people that I know, people that run like big business or whatever. And they were all, you know, just laughing at me, tell me I was crazy. But then all of a sudden, like you guys said, after COVID, I think people like started like awakening a little bit. And I think in this last year, like I've seen a huge awakening in the people. Like people are realizing and are seeing, you know, the problems out there. And like, you know, I'm seeing a lot of networks develop, you know, because networks teach each other, the technology, all the information. So before I was like, I isolated in Mexico and there were very few people in Mexico and Bitcoin, but now they're like all over the place. Everywhere I go, and there's like communities. It's not like one isolated guys, there's communities everywhere and they're just like, for me, you know, I've been, I'm here in Europe, and you know, just looking at the big cathedrals and everything they built, we built. It's like, you know, I have a lot of faith in humanity. I think we are, you know, impressive beings. And it's just a matter of having the right tools and the right incentives to build, you know, very inspiring things. And, you know, now we have Bitcoin. So now it's just a matter of people finding it, knowing how to use it properly. But like, you know, I'm just impressed on seeing the communities develop and the technology, because without the technology, it's very hard. Like, what you were showing right now, Ben, you know, being able to hook up your lining wallet to someone that you trust. I've been trying to build something like that, but you know, I don't have the time and I've been trying to, you know, talk to people so they can build something like that. And then out of the blue is built. You know, so I think, you know, sometimes I just think like imagine in the dot com bubble, there were no, you know, smartphones, there was no Wi-Fi, there was no 4G, 3G. So, and they were already very excited. So I think we are in that point in time where we're very excited in Bitcoin, but we have no idea what's coming, you know. So I'm really bullish on humanity and I'm bullish on people because they're awakening. And I'm seeing all these networks develop. And I think, you know, it's going to be like they say, you know, it's slowly and then suddenly, you know, we just have to have the technology ready, but I think we're 99% down that way. So I'm pretty excited, pretty excited to be honest. - I love the community aspect of things and you're so right where you're starting to see just pockets of people everywhere, like meetups, circular economies, events, conferences, like all of these different things are just, I mean, I remember my early days in Bitcoin and there was like one podcast about Bitcoin and I'd be like, I would wait for it every week and be like, oh, thank God, I can listen to somebody talk about this cool thing that I'm super excited about. And that was like the only one that I could listen to and then it gradually there started to be more content and then like meeting the first Bitcoiner that I ever met. And there's just like a few people in my city that would hang out and there's like general awareness. And now it's like, regularly like all my friends with Bitcoiners, like all my closest friends with Bitcoiners. - Now you're famous. (laughing) - Which is, yeah, if you had told me that my job would be to chat about something that I love and to teach people about something that I love and create videos on the internet about something that I love and that was a job I would have called you crazy. And like now it's like, oh, yeah, you know, I get to meet all these incredible people. I get to have these amazing, like I'm at work right now, like that's crazy. (laughing) It's crazy, I get to hang out with you guys and talk about Bitcoin and that's my job. And that's, it's, I'm so happy about that. But you're right, like the communities like people hunger for it when they latch on and they understand, begin to see like how important this is gonna be. They need to share it with somebody else. And so that's where we're seeing all these meetups and all these groups and like there's, you know, of course there's El Zante, but like there's all these different places popping up and you see, and then you can go online and see like all of these communities around the globe. It's wild, it's so wild and it continues to grow. Like we're still in the early innings and it's just everywhere. And I'm really curious like with Johnny and both of the are born to be free couple here. - Like you guys must get in your communities as well. - Yeah. - Go ahead, Johnny. - Well, I don't want to step on my reason to be bullish but I think we're already there. So... - Well, if you want to, if it ties in, then I think we may as well like compliment the reasons together because the community aspect of it, like if it works together, let's make that happen then. That's what community is, right? Yeah, let's go. Well, I mean, yeah, that's my reason to be bullish and one word is community. Ever since I got into the Bitcoin rabbit hole back in 2016, I did all of this by myself and I made all the mistakes and back then 2017 that communities that I saw online 'cause I never met anybody in person in the Bitcoin world until later on in life. We're just not really what I was looking for, you know? Just like everybody's just money hungry and everybody's looking forward to get ahead of the other person and whatnot. And not until 2020, 2021 when I found people that were in person talking to my Bitcoin and started going to meetups with Bitcoin Charlotte, shout out to Jacob there. But yeah, and that's where I started meeting like-minded people and then talking to them and then form a better community. And then I started traveling and I wanted to start the same thing in Peru and we started Orangeville, Peru after many, many years of trying to find just Bitcoiners without going into the shit coin hole. And finally did, you know? And then going to El Salvador, going to Mexico. And by the way, my Viva Bitcoin people, I'm not Tony, but I've been, I've been, I've been, I've been starting El Salvador before because I just want to shout out that. But yeah, you know, community is growing so much now and then it's everybody's very helpful. I stopped and built Bitcoin with my farm, my favorite conference that I've been to with Bitcoin. And just because you have a lot of people from all over the world just seeking how we can help each other. This is what we're doing. And that's what I love when I found mode of Peru. It's like, that's where I'm from. You know, that's what my heart is. I was born and raised in Lima and finding mode of Peru. I was like, hey, let me find these guys, talk to them and see how we can work together to just keep this going. Yeah, that's my reign. I'll elaborate more as we get into it. But yeah, community is the best. - That's great. Let's let Borne to be free. You guys, you can chime in here and we'll just go wherever the conversation takes us. - Yeah, no, I mean, I couldn't agree more. There's really nothing like a Bitcoin community. I mean, you guys know like, Bitcoiners are just the coolest freaking people there are and just so genuine and, you know, just real people. And, you know, we all are values all online. So it's like, we all see eye to eye and we're all on the same page. It's just like, it's almost like you meet a Bitcoin and you like know a Bitcoiner when you see one. You know what I mean? It's really just such an interesting experience. Like when we went to El Salvador, that was our first, 'cause our first Bitcoin, no, we each went to other. Freedom Fest was our first, but, you know, El Zante was just like, I mean, there's Bitcoiners everywhere. And I'm like, these are like the coolest freaking people I've ever met in my life. Like, just so nice. I was like devastated when we had to leave because I felt like I was like leaving family behind. It's just crazy, you know, that connection that you feel with them. And they're just really, really, real people. And I just, I love Bitcoiners. They're really freaking do. - And I honestly believe that the Bitcoiner network or community has some of the smartest individuals in the world. So like, to Jose and Johnny's point, you know, when you put all of these extremely intelligent individuals together, like Bitcoin is the common thread that is pulling all of these individuals across the world together. So back to like, you know, what you were saying, Ben, about how far we could have been in society, if not for the fiat monetary system. Well, now you have Bitcoin over here, which is this common thread, this community, this network, this money, whatever you wanna call it, technology. And it's bringing all of these smart individuals together. And, you know, there's no ceiling to where this thing could go because now, you know, two brains are better than one and, you know, four brains are better than two and on and on and on. So like, who knows where this train could go? And it's just so exciting. - Yeah. - Yeah, for me, for me, it's just crazy to see how, you know, it's beautiful to see how the incentives align. And you can see it when you meet with other Bitcoiners, you know, like you see the incentives in action where we come from different backgrounds, different cultures, different everything, like even different values and whatnot. But the incentives make us all work together for a common thing. Like I was in La Paz for a Bitcoin event, which, you know, I didn't have a clue how big it was gonna be. You know, it wasn't Mexico, so I had to be there. But I was just blown away by the people I met. And then how we all started to working together, I met Amanda, who is very active. She's very active on the comments. And, you know, the Biba Bitcoin team, and that's actually how I got in touch with you, Ben. So it's just amazing to see how the network just start expanding pretty fast. And now, you know, I learned those communities in Guadalajara, in Merida, like everywhere in Mexico. And everyone working for the same team, you know, and that's crazy to see, like, even we were at this university and where we're trying to like implement this Bitcoin course. And, you know, I met with the guys at public university. So you might imagine, you know, they're always looking for money and stuff 'cause they're from the government. So we're gonna give you all this and we're gonna pay for everything. And the guy was like, what's the catch? Like, where are you gonna make money? And he's like, he couldn't believe that we were doing this for free. And I was like, yeah, that's Bitcoin for you right there. You know, he was like, you need to tell me how are you gonna win? Because otherwise, I'm not gonna allow this to happen because I know there's a catch. I was like, well, I own Bitcoin. So that's how I win, you know. I'm just gonna bring more people to the market. That's gonna increase the price. And that's how I win. But I also helped them and they helped me. So it was just sometimes people think it's too good to be true, but it literally is, you know. - Yeah, yeah, it's... Again, it's, you're incentivized. I think us as Bitcoiners were all incentivized. Yes, to Orange Pill in general, but to bring people that bring value to Bitcoin, right? You, you're, I think, you know, I've begun approaching it in a way where I know that when I first started, I was just like every single person. I was gonna like, oh, you gotta hear about this thing. Now I think I use it. I look for opportunities where my time is best spent. And I think more people are doing that too, where they're strategically Orange Pilling, because they're understanding, you know, if somebody's giving you like hard opposition and you're like, we don't, if it's somebody that like, we don't particularly, like it's not like a relative or something like that where you're like, oh, I genuinely want you to do, to benefit from this. If it's just like a random person and they're meeting you with opposition, then, you know, like, why not go for the low-hanging fruit of like somebody that's a curious that you can just like, yeah, get them right in the door and help them down the pathway of like the good education and the signal, lead them to that. And again, the quality of people that you wanna have, you obviously wanna bring in the, as you were saying, Jose, the brain drain, right? Like you want these, the intellectuals and the people that can build things and the people that are like active, amazing contributors to society already that you want them to have that brain drain where they go, I can't focus on what I was doing before. I'm gonna come and I'm gonna build cool stuff in and around Bitcoin or just partake in the Bitcoin ecosystem by doing something that I'm good at and accepting Bitcoin for it or whatever form it takes. But like, I love this build, I love this. I think the right people are discovering Bitcoin and building upon it. And I think we're gonna get to a point where it's gonna become noticeable in society that that Bitcoiners begin almost like forming like a parallel society that is, that they noticeably thrive compared to those that have not yet come over to the new system. It's gonna be odd for a while because I think there's gonna be two sets of people that are thriving. There's gonna be the leeches in the fiat land that continue to leech value off of the people underneath of them. But that's power is going to gradually diminish but there's gonna be a period of time where like Bitcoiners and the fiat leeches look the same because they're both doing well but the fiat leeches will begin to starve because more and more people will just leave that system and come over and start doing well. And that's gonna be an interesting thing to watch and it's very exciting. And the fiat leeches also, they're not happy or they're not as happy as Bitcoiners and they're just not genuine people. And you could read that, you could read a person's character. So I think it'll be obvious the difference between the two. - Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It'll definitely be obvious in the disposition because like if you're, I love that fiat leeches now. (laughing) The fiat leeches, they don't want to lift people up to know what they know. And Bitcoiners do, right? Like that's the difference there. Like the fiat-- - It's all about incentives. - Yeah. - You know? - Yeah, and one, if you elevate somebody to your level in that leech game, well, they're now drinking your milkshake. When you elevate somebody to your level on the Bitcoin side of things, they're helping you make milkshakes for everyone, right? (laughing) There's more to go around. It's great. Yeah. - Yeah, you know, I always say that even for the fiat leeches, like even for them, the Bitcoin system is better because who wants to be wealthy around homelessness around like people in South America, like you can be very wealthy, but you cannot enjoy your wealth because you go outside and they're gonna rob you, they're gonna kidnap you. So why would you want to live like that? Like even if you change to this system, you already have money, but everyone around you is gonna be better. So I think it's better for everyone, even for them, they just don't know it yet. And hopefully it's gonna, you know, whatever, everybody gets into Bitcoin at the price, they deserve, you know? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Do you guys have some of the, I mean, Johnny, you were mentioning a couple of the communities that you visited and born to be free. You guys have been down to El Zante and everything. Are there other community projects and groups and things like that that you think are worth bringing up and doing shout outs for like anything that you've seen that you found interesting like community-wise? - Well, I have a few for sure. I'll start with Peru, of course. We got a mode of Peru. I feel like a little bit, but little people are getting to know what Peru is doing with Bitcoin, which is quite amazing how you have very remote places utilizing this tool, this Bitcoin to transact and do everyday transactions where I'm in the United States and I'm having such a hard time getting businesses into it, especially with IBEX being gone and different options being gone. We have to reserve to BTC pay server and we just got a distillery of Peru and a restaurant into it so we can do our market soon. But yeah, in Peru, we're doing the Bitcoin, seriously over economies, which right now we're opening up travel with Bitcoin. So whoever wants to go visit Peru and check out all these circular economies and help us out and spend your Bitcoin and help the workshops and all the people in these little communities, please reach out to me, reach out to the mode of that Peru, mode of that global. We're on Twitter, reach out for that for sure. Here in Bitcoin, Charlotte, we try to do as much as we can to educate people with workshops, just meetups. Of course, Halloween, I'm gonna shout it out because it's coming up October 26. We're taking it on the road to Atlanta. So hopefully I see you guys there. We enjoy having a good time as far as in the Bitcoin community. I feel like we're always working hard but we also have to play hard, right? And that's kind of what the mine fail is. Bitcoin is birthday was October 31. So that's what we celebrated as Halloween. So come and dress up as your favorite Satoshi Nakamoto costume and have a good time with us. In Mexico, as Jose mentioned, a man that Tony Nakamoto, everybody is initiating something good in Mexico. I went to visit there not too long ago, like Isabella is doing this school with me, Premier Bitcoin and you some who had this, that was great. There's a couple of communities being formed over there and there's something I didn't get to see because they're on the other side of Mexico that I was not in. Argentina, I met a lot of the guys during the Bitcoin conference and they have the Bitcoin eta where they have different vehicles all over in Africa, in Argentina, in El Salvador. I'm sure some of you that have been to El Salvador have seen the Volkswagen van. That's one of the Bitcoin etas that they have available. Maybe soon we'll have one in Peru as well. The team that's doing the Bitcoin Medellin, a Bitcoin-only conference here coming up in January 17. So that's exciting. It excites me a lot because I wanna do my own in Peru soon. So in the next two years that we're gonna be there, we're gonna make it happen. Bitcoin only though, because there's some happening there but they're all, they got you Alpaca coins and all these other coins out there that we've never had anything about. And we were at the Bitcoin conference in Nashville and a table with the Bitcoin meetups. And one of the big organizations that are coming about as far as community goes is South Atlantis. I'm not sure if you guys heard about that, but there's some of us ambassadors all over the world. We have a couple of Peru here in Charlotte and different big cities and helping people to have a go to hub as far as trying to see how the Bitcoin community is developing in different places, different cities all over the world, which is great, because sometimes it's hard to find your people in different places when you're traveling. I have a friend of mine there, Medellin Salvador, and I was doing his trek all over America. So I'm giving them all the community members to hit up to see where he can go, where he can come to somebody. The guys in Costa Rica are great. Guatemala, there's so many things. And of course, I talk about America, because I've never been outside of America. I've been up and down central, south and middle. But that's all I know. There's so many exciting projects going on. And yeah, I'm very bullish about everything that's happening in the community in Bitcoin. - That's great. I'm, again, I love... I love when people take initiative and if they don't have something locally, they just build it. I gotta give a shout out to Savwise here in the chat. He said that, there it is, okay. Said I'm kicking off the first Northeastern, Pennsylvania, Scranton, Wilkes-Barr, regional Bitcoin meetup on Saturday, the 21st at an excellent restaurant that I orange-filled. And this is the stuff that I love to see, where it's like, hey, I want there to be a meetup. There's not one. And at that point, you have two choices. You can just sit around and wait for somebody to make one, or realize if not you, then who? And go do it, right? And like, yeah, sure, you might be there by yourself or hanging out with one of the other people for the first little bit, but like, people are gonna look for something local and eventually people will find it. And again, it's very proof of work. Like, we're building up what we've got here. Like, I mean, the guys here in Calgary have been running though of why do I see Bitcoin meetup for quite some time. They do it every couple of weeks. And that's every, yeah, every two weeks I think they have it. And like, they've been killing it and it's always great. And then we started doing our SAT market a couple of times a year now. And so we get together all the Bitcoiners that already make or build or offer services or whatever. And we say, well, you've already got skills. You've already got businesses. You've already got things that you do or make. Why are you already know that Bitcoin's the better money? Why would you accept Bitcoin? And so we get everybody together. And now like, I'm sourcing things that I wasn't able to source before. Like, I can, you know, buy half a cow or a quarter cow. I can go, I can get eggs, I can, you know, I've got a personal trainer that comes to my house a couple of days a week and I pay him in Bitcoin. I, my kid shoved something down the toilet a couple of months ago. So I called the Bitcoin plumber. Like, I literally, like the guy who, like my backdrop here, the, like, wood paneling, you know, paid in Bitcoin. He's a friend of mine and he's like, yeah, I'll take Bitcoin for this one for sure. And, and, and so like, I'm, I'm more and more trying to build that kind of circular local economy. And I just want to, I want to remove myself from the fiat economy as much as humanly possible. And it's getting more and more possible to string it together. Yeah, either through services that allow me to kind of make that work or things like bit refill where I can get gift cards to get gas and groceries. But I think the most important and most exciting part of it is to tie into Jose and Johnny's points is the community, the local community. Because the thing that is going to be incredibly resilient against top-down pressures is just peer-to-peer relationships and knowing people that also like and use Bitcoin and value it, and also build other things that you have, and you find that provide value to you and you finding ways to provide value to them. I think that's where Bitcoin becomes truly unstoppable. Absolutely, man. And piggyback on what you just said, well, as you guys know, I sell hot sauce all over the States and then you can buy it with Bitcoin. So bring it on, delgadosfuego.com/BTC. Here in Charlotte, we've been organizing a Bitcoin market as well. We started doing it, doing Halloween. And this will be the third one, having it on October 12. Have over 19 vendors now. We had the distillery taking Bitcoin, food trucks, and many vendors that never really experimented with this. I do vendor markets with my hot sauce and different farmers markets, breweries, whatnot, and I always have it on my table. A very colorful table, as some of you have seen it. But I have my Bitcoin logos and my Bitcoin stickers and whatnot. So a lot of other vendors that come up to me and ask me, what's this all about? Or just people randomly come out and ask me, do people actually pay you on Bitcoin? What is Bitcoin? What's going on? Or do you see the lot in the alpaca with a Bitcoin chain? It's like, it's recognizable, right? So people are starting to ask questions and say, well, you know, you want to take Bitcoin? Let's go. Let's do it. Let me teach you how to do it. Let's start doing it. And now we have over 19 vendors there and doing it, you know? And as we keep growing, as Ben says, it's like it's going to keep bringing more people in and getting more services and different products that you didn't think to get it locally with Bitcoin. But yeah, it's a good feeling. So October 12, man, you have to check it out. If you guys are around Charlotte, North Carolina, will be a great wagon road distillery company from 1 to 6. And you'll find all kinds of different services and food products and different products you can buy from Bitcoin. And if any vendors want to be part of it, feel free to call me up and let me know and we can make it happen. Hell yeah. Also, again, hot sauce, delicious. I love hot sauce on my eggs in the morning. And I just, yeah, I just, I went through my hot sauce so quickly, it was gone in no time at all. I got to give myself a shout out right now because this is the first time publicly speaking about it. But this past weekend, we went to the North Carolina hot sauce contest over 200 entries and that's what the clock is wearing. We won two first places in one second place. So every single one of my hot sauces are award winning now. - Yeah, that's awesome. - Yeah, baby. - Congratulations, baby. - Yeah, you deserve it. - That's badass. - Thank you. Thank you so much. - Thank you. - Bitcoiners do everything better, man. - Yes. - You know it, man. No seed oils. - Oh, that's right. - That's great. Oh, yeah, I'm on the website right now figuring out what I'm gonna order. So I have to come up with her and get a few. Yeah, no, that's super awesome and that's great. So, I mean, I'm conscious of time here, but I do want to, I'm gonna start winding down, but there's a certain way that I tend to like to wind down each episode. And that is to just go around one last time and just number one, get any final thoughts that you may have or like a takeaway that you had from them because whatever that may be, that's fine. But more importantly, a recommendation. And so the recommendation can take any form really, like it could be as simple as like a piece of advice that you wish you had had along your Bitcoin journey or maybe it's, oh, go read this book or check out this video or this blog or something that you found useful or maybe it's, oh, I like this app, check it out or this device or something that you think somebody watching this would benefit from. And I'll give you some time to stew with that because I'll do mine first. But yeah, just kind of give it a once over in your head and whatever you throw out there, there's no wrong answers here. But yeah, so my takeaway from the chat is that through our broken system and the solution to our broken system, again, it's the previous system drove people apart and caused a lot of strife and has people at each other's throats currently, right? Like it's never been more divisive. It's never been more difficult to navigate. Like families are torn apart for having different opinions on different topics or picking the wrong politician or whatever it is. And the system has this, it's incentivized to have this divide and conquer mechanism in it. And just everybody is at each other's throats. And the new system is this unifying force that, as I mean, we've just finished talking about community for the past half hour here. It's bringing people together. It's making people realize that they want to spend their time and effort in and around this new system and they want to share it with others and they want to lift each other up. And so we're just, it's been a rough go for a number of years for a lot of people in this predatory system. And I think people are ready for a way out and they're primed for it and a lot of people are beginning to find it. And when they do, again, this is the whole Bitcoin is hope thing, like it's bringing people together and it's reigniting this passion for having communities and being good to one another and building things that are useful providing value to the other people around you. And yeah, that's an incredibly bullish thing and that's kind of my takeaway from the episode. And then in terms of recommendations, I mean, you know, I'm gonna say, you gotta check out Alpihov, it's so cool. And I'll say, play around with that, but also test linking it to Zaprite because that's pretty great. And then you have a little point of sale that links to your own node. And I think that's super cool. So anyways, that's my recommendation. I'll give it one last plug, the tutorial on it. You can find it on the channel. But with that, let's toss it to born to be free, whichever whoever wants to go first. So any takeaway that you had from the episode and a recommendation if you got one? - Yes, so, I mean, there was a lot from the show. It was really awesome. And I had a great time with you guys. But yeah, my takeaway, back to community, I think that was just such a great point on community and just, you know, contributing to the circular economy and building parallel structures. Like we've really, you know, thinking about it. Like same thing that you said, Ben, you know, we really opted out of the system. And I think that's like step one, you know, when you come to that realization that there's a lot of issues going on here and you go down these rabbit holes, you have to just, the first thing you have to do is opt out, one way or another. And for us, like our entry point for people is skincare, right? So we sell toxic free skincare, no chemicals, no BS. You could literally eat our products if you wanted to, but I don't recommend it. - I have. (laughing) - But, you know, and we also, we order our wine from Ben Jussman and pay in Bitcoin. We order through, shout out to the beef initiative also, you know, all regeneratively raised beef. We only purchase our meat from them. Satoshi coffee, our peeps. They were also at the conference. I mean, just freaking great people, man. And, you know, pay in Bitcoin. They have amazing coffee. You got Johnny Fuego over here. I mean, it's for your hot sauce. So, what's my missing? Oh, and we orange-pilled our, we have a local farm where we order like our produce from. So not our meat, our meats strictly beef initiative, but eggs, raw milk, it's called utter milk. They're right out of New Jersey, right next door to us. And they deliver every Thursday night. And I mean, we orange-pilled this guy. He's the only take cash and he's Egyptian. - Yeah, he's from Egypt. So it's, he was easy to orange-pilled him. - Yeah. - He's not finding the privilege as Alex Blasting would say. So it's very easy to orange-pilled an Egyptian. - Yeah. - You know. - And he's getting it. And he's getting excited. And when it's going up, he's like, guys, look at this. Like every time he comes to our door, it's so cool. Like seeing somebody so excited about it that is really just learning and just getting into it. And it's rewarding for us because I'm like, wow, like we turned this guy on to this and look how happy he is, you know? And we could change his life, never know. So my, you know, I guess my advice was definitely building your own parallel structures. You know, take one step, can't do it all at once, but start with one thing. And also beef and Bitcoin was a freaking great book too. I mean, I'm obviously big on like the food, the whole food thing. And it would be so, it kind of, you know, brings them both together. And I think that's an awesome book to read. I mean, that like million in resources, like I could just sit here and go on about, but that's my most recent one that I read. - Nice, you know, we did not plan this, but she kind of took my takeaway. My takeaway was- - That's why I wanted to go first because we always seen the same. - Yeah, my takeaway was just that, you know, you don't have to depend on the government to do anything. And we legit, and by we, I mean the Bitcoin community. We literally have our entire parallel structure right here. Like Naja said, our food, our condiments, the best house source award-winning, wine, coffee, skincare, anything you need. I pay for my newsletters on sub-stack with Bitcoin, so your education, all the books that we have on our bookshelf, I mean, you can get everything, except for taxes, which you could pay in fiat, but anything else, you could pay in Bitcoin. So Bitcoiners are literally building this parallel structure that just, you know, where you won't be dependent upon anybody, any fiat leeches, or anyone in the fiat economy, you know, we could just be over here doing our own thing. Don't fight the old system. Just focus your energy on building the new system in the world you want to live in. And my advice, my advice would be to just really educate yourself in whatever manner suits you, whether it's podcasts or books or audio, or going to meetups and speaking with people, because when you have conviction, the volatility does not shake you at all. I mean, funny story, the day of the FTX blow up, that was our wedding day, 11, 11, 20, 20, quote. We're in Mexico, getting married, I'm getting myself together, friends are texting me, 'cause, you know, I got in the end of 2020, but early 2021, when we were already pumping pretty hard, I was just IDCA, but everything I earned, everything I had was going into Bitcoin. So my friends are like, "Yo, you okay?" You see what's going on, 15,000. I'm like, "Dude, I'm trying to buy more over here." - This is great. - I'm going over my vows. I'm like sweating. (all laughing) You don't have to explode at the time. I see 15,000, I'm excited, you know. And all my friends are nervous for me. And I'm like, "Yo, what are you talking about?" Like, I'm getting married today, I'm big points, 15,000. Like, I mean, this is going to age tremendously. So when you have that conviction, like, I mean, this is my second, Peter McCormick calls it like a tour of duty. So I'm entering my second tour of duty. And these price swings are nothing, man. 75,000 to 48,000, or whatever the heck it is. Like, and that's all just because I've educated myself so much, I know what I own, and I have the utmost conviction. So I've never sold a set. I only spend the replace. And that's my biggest advice. Just get as much education as possible. It's going to help you out on your journey. - Hell yeah, I love that. Again, you're absolutely right. This is, if you've been through a cycle and you understand what you own, again, you watch these swings go, huh? Yeah, great. Oh, sweet, you're, or great. I've got an invoice coming in. It just dipped fantastic. - Wow. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually get frustrated when it pumps so much. I'm like, "Oh man." 'Cause it doesn't make a different than your day-to-day life. Like if it's at 75,000 or 48,000, life is still the same, or 100,000, whatever, you know? So it's like, I'm just trying to accumulate as much as possible for as little fiat as possible. - Yeah. Well, and again, if you live by the, like, there's a very simple formula, create value for others, spend less than you earn, and save in money that can't be printed by anybody. And there you go, save in Bitcoin, and you're good to go. Or like, you know, if you're already earning Bitcoin, then it's just create value, spend less than you earn. And that's pretty much the whole, that's a cheat code for life, is just do those couple of things, and you're good to go, but yeah, yeah, fully agree. - Awesome, well, Jose, I'm gonna toss it to you. And same thing, if you have any final thoughts or takeaway, and if you have a recommendation for people to check out, feel free. - Wait, really quick, I have a question, 'cause I'm trying to drop a link for Robert here for Satoshi Koafi, how do I do that? - Oh, if you drop it, drop it in the private chat, and then I'll put it into the live stream there, so he can click on it. - Perfect, thank you. Sorry. - Oh, God, Jose, go ahead. - So yeah, my recommendation would be just putting the work. Freedom is not given, you need to earn it or take it. So don't try to learn everything by yourself, don't try to do everything alone. The community has been growing, so take advantage of that. Find local people that can teach you, that you can talk to them. I think that's gonna make your journey pretty fast. And I mean, to that point, we're building the Bitcoin Association in Mexico. We're trying to copy what El Salvador just did, where we put all these vendors together, so people in Mexico or people that are visiting, they can just go to one website and they can see everywhere, they can go in Mexico, where the communities are, reach to people. So just kind of make it easy for people or the community to reach each other, 'cause sometimes Twitter can be too wide of spread or so we're just trying to narrow it down to a country. So yeah, that's my advice. It's educate yourself and use the community to learn faster. - Oh yeah, that's, I mean, great advice, I fully agree. Again, I feel like I got to stand on the shoulders of giants because a lot of people did a lot of the learning for me before I got to come along. And now there's been so many incredible people that have contributed to great resources for people to level up. It like after multiple Bitcoin talks, there's so much out there. And yeah, put in the work, a lot of it's been done for you. You just need to be hungry enough to consume it. So yeah, awesome. And Johnny, I'm gonna toss it to you finally as well. Any big takeaways from the episode and any recommendations, go ahead. - Well, at the end of the day, they were excited to be the most about Bitcoin. It's not like the technology, but it's how it empowers everybody. Individuals everywhere in the financial features, building communities, that's pretty much what I'm bullish on. And my recommendation with all of this would be go to your local meetups, create your local meetups, come to our Bitcoin market October 12th, come to Halloween and party with us. - Oh yeah, that's awesome. It's a great party, by the way. I had the pleasure of attending one in 2022, I think. - Yeah. - Yeah, two years ago. - Damn, yeah. Well, I wanna say a big thank you to all of you for joining the stream and getting bullish with me on a Friday evening. I really do appreciate it. I had a blast. And everybody watching, make sure you dip into the show notes and give everybody here a follow so that you can see what they're up to and all the stuff that they're doing. And yeah, I guess with that, I'll wrap it and I'll say thanks every for coming and all of you are welcome back anytime. - Thank you, Ben. - Thank you guys. - Thank you so much. This was awesome. Guys, it was so good seeing you, Johnny. A nice meeting. - Yeah. Keep up with work, guys. - Thank you. - Absolutely. - Thank you. - Good morning. - We've done soon these, one of these days. - Awesome. All right, see you guys. Have a good Friday evening. I'll talk to you later. - Thank you. - Bye bye. - Bye guys. - Awesome. 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