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So all in all, a pretty shy day, both by the players, the manager tactically. All in all, it's got to be gratefulness, and after a positive three games, that's a bit of a kick in the teeth to throw it away like that. Mat, seeing your back for post-match show and we're all blaming you, because it's the first post-match I've shown you've done since we lost, so... That went well. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it is my third show. It's just my first show in my new environs doing a post-match show. Still your fault, Matu. I'll take it. Somebody's got to be the Jonas, so I guess I have to... I can't keep blaming Kevin. Yeah, no, I mean, that gets old after a while. Heaven forbid we'd blame you for something, but... Yeah, that was... I'll go plenty on my list. It was really, really bad. It was really bad, so... It's good for us after the first three matches where, you know, there's lots of positives to talk about and everybody's feeling up. It's nice to bring us all back down to Earth as a post-match crew to remember how to do these types of shows. Well, just... Yay. Yeah, Ashley, initial thoughts? Yay was not in my vocabulary for initial thoughts. I'm going to go with learning experience, like a big, big learning experience, and I think that whether that's from slot, whether that's from the players, I mean, they better take something from this game, because that was a waste of all of our time. That was an hour and a half that we're not going to get back, and they did nothing all game. I am astounded that they were that poor. I seriously thought halftime changes are coming. We're going to turn it on now, and it got worse. So, yeah. I'm going to go with learning experience that's about as positive as I can get right now. Yeah, Kevin, we knew messaging each other during the game. I think we were kind of hoping this was more like a bit like the Ipswich game going up. First game after internationals are always a bit slow, a bit lackluster, but you know what, second half, you know, a little bit better. But if anything, Kevin, we got worse, which was quite an achievement. At least in the first half, we looked like we were creating chances, hit the post, made forced their keeper to make a few saves. But that was a complete shit show, virtually from start to finish. I put it in the chat earlier on, it was entitled "Defcee", and we've seen this show before. And all the hard work that they put in for the first three games, three clean sheets, three in a other way when it all trafficked, was pissed against the wind by poor decision-making, poor passing. Absolutely no penetration in the final third. Just laziness and passing the box. You know, it was all of the worst traits of last season, which have been pulled into 95 minutes, and you're hoping to kick in the arse that they need, but we'll see, time will tell, but that was bad. That was a terrible performance. Yeah, but also, actually, to be fair with us, but this is also a big wake-up call for the manager, which is, this is not being wise as to the events. I think we said it's Thursday night. I think we also had a WhatsApp group to each other, because the same start of them, four games back-to-back, surely you should mix up a little bit, you know, give players a run-out. We had lads who did international duty get a bit of freshness in, and tactically the subs just didn't work. They did nothing. They did nothing. No, some of that we can walk up to later, you go back threes and all that, and there's a bizarre back three. Also, just players who came on to get their opportunity, you know, if this is your opportunity to come and win the game or come on and get us back ahead, it did nothing. If anything, it's certainly there's worse, which, let's be fair, when you sort of sort of call out, they weren't sort of you thinking, "Oh, fuck it out, that's going to make us worse." She kind of went, "Oh yeah, I can see the logic of them. I can see what's going on." Yeah, so you'd call the impactful speed of the capital. I mean, you know, that, we, yes, we can't. Which is sound like you're under water there, mate, or it might be me. And I put this in big columns, you know, and it's been used more than newness, so I don't think we can use that as an excuse. But, ah, should we go through this start in '11? It's literally the same 11 as Man United, and the only change was Jones came in, and for Elliot who's injured. No creator. I think I just text kept saying, "Look, fine." They became just the old product match fitness show to do a bit of pre-season, but do you really need four depends on the bench? Ash, is he going to order me? Sorry. No, I was reading Matt's comment about the win, because it's really, really windy here, so I'm sorry for the sound interference. But yeah, no, so same 11. I think all of us were expecting changes, at least like one or two changes just to freshen it up. I mean, there's a few guys that were coming back from South America and, you know, traveling far and wide. And, I mean, we heard from Scott in his pre-season about, you know, he uses the same 11, or he used to use the same 11 when he was at Fanard, but, you know, this is a completely different kettle of fish when you're managing at this level dealing with the Premier League. Like, there's no easy games when you get back from international break, and I don't know how many international players he would have actually had to have managed while he was at his last job. So I do think this is a new thing for him to learn about the way the players come back. But I do think he kind of just set himself up for disaster. I think, you know, I'm all for keeping players' fitness up and everything like that. But like you said, there were players that were here working that probably deserve a start and that probably deserves some minutes, and we did not see any of that. And I can't find any sort of person other than Scott to blame for that choice. Yeah. Matt, first off, we were... Wait, we did correct a couple of chances. We at least looked like solid as in, like, we didn't like we were going to give anything up. And if that's why I think, well, I certainly felt it would be a matter of time, second half. But then it all just went to part a little bit structure-wise, formation-wise, play-stopping him back. To me, grab a bird who was okay, but I think he was left, exposed. You know, sometimes 3D2s, you know, Van Dyke in a similar position as well. You know, just people weren't getting back and a little bit of pectulance because they were getting their own way. Oh, look, they're also known the first couple minutes. The tone was set with the eight taking players out. So you knew that was the level that you had to go with. And it's just like, you just didn't match their effort at all. Yeah, I think it was Paul Gallagher and had a comment in early that said we got bullied in the mid-shields. And I think that was as pretty obvious. Yates was kind of the culprit in chief of that. I mean, rather fitting on a day where, you know, Liverpool pays tribute to our Yates who passed along, which was a very lovely and touching tribute before the match. I feel that that needs to be said because there's not a lot of other positives really to get onto. But in terms of the first half, I thought defensively, I thought we were excellent. Like at halftime, they didn't have, I believe they're XG, actually, I don't believe, I know for a fact, their XG at halftime was 0.00. Like they had absolutely nothing. I thought Ibu Kanate and Virgil Van Dyke were winning all their battles. You know that Chris Wood can be a bit of a handful. He's a big lug that likes to get around and, you know, use his body to get the flick-ons for the long balls and stuff like that. And I thought at halftime exactly the same thing of like, all right, deal with this like the Ipswich game. We'll make a couple of tactical changes. You know, what might not be personnel because I thought everybody on the pitch was doing enough. They were, they were doing enough. I thought Gravenberg was quite poor actually in the first half. I thought so, I was talking up into good positions. I like the way that both the fullbacks were, were influencing the game going forward. And we just felt solid at the back. It didn't feel like we were at any risk of conceding a chance, let alone a goal. And then, yeah, I'm not entirely sure how you explained that change. After, after the halftime break, because like I have it written down, we said it before we came on that there was about a five, six minute spell from 34, 35 minutes, so about 40 minutes where we had a couple of good chances. It started with Trent almost putting the elliptical corner right in. Then Trent puts a cross in that the Calister gets ahead on, sells makes a good save, and then sells almost drops a ball into his own goal. And, you know, maybe if D'Ogo Jada is a little bit more switched on and attacking that ball, you know, I'll let Devakariki against Everton style. Maybe he's there to prod that home. And it felt like the momentum was building. We kind of had them against the ropes. They were probably happy to get into the halftime break at nil all. And then, yeah. Poor. Yeah, it's just kept. There's just no real invention, was that it was. I saw the comfort of a low block, which, you know, we'll have to see how that goes with low blocks, but it created enough clear cut chances first after unlucky not to go ahead. But second half was nothing about low blocks. It was just slow and in my opinion, it was just a bit of like a bit of intelligence, some of it because, yes, look, play has been all hit passes. Most of them, we'll talk about it in a horror show of the game. It's probably the worst game he's played in years. Do you know what? That can happen. But what used to happen if most of them had a shitter, somebody else would step up and too many of them went into the shells and either were hoping it would happen by somebody else or went back into being petulant and, you know, kicking balls where you're giving soft files, because, you know, someone dared to tackle them. You know, it's just, you know, everything about it was just off today. Look, I don't, for the life of me, understand why he started the same level. That was stupid. Would you have switched yet? Darwin. Darwin 100%. Because of the type of game that forests were going to play with the five men at the back, they literally sat in a 5-3-2 for the first hour and we were coasting through the first half. The chances that we created were from crosses, mainly. There was no intricate play. There was no triangles. There was, you know, someone will do something and it'll be okay, because that's how we do. And for the life of me, I don't understand how you can have Darwin and his at the club for the last two weeks sat in his hands while Arnold Slott went back to the Netherlands for a week. And what's the point in having a squad when you're going into a group of seven games in 22 days and you roll at the same 11. They got you three results, that's fine. But if you have no trust of faith in the squad, that filters through really quickly. And for me, it was a perfect day to play Darwin. You're at home against the side who you should be beating, a side I think we'll be fighting to stay in the division. And he literally just tells the whole lot of the, he literally told the whole squad, this is the 11 I'm picking. Ashley was right when she pointed out the area of the visit. You're not in the Dutch league anymore, mate. This is a different level. You've got players travelling all over the world and you've got a much more intense set of fixtures against sides who are capable of beating you and exposing you and pulling your pants down and making you look stupid. If you make stupid decisions and he made a clusterfuck today. It was a massive mess. He made so many mistakes with his decision making that will go into it. But for me, it wasn't a case of, in the first half, over hit passes, under hit passes, heads dropping, not tracking back, not doing the basics. And in the second half, they literally threw the baby out with the bathwater because all of the patterns of play that you expect to see when you're trying to build up play or get back into a game just weren't there. They were non-existent. It was almost as if for the last 35 minutes we forgot how to build an attack. We forgot how to put a side under pressure. I don't know what to say about that battery. I don't know what to say about it. I cannot wrap my head around what the thinking is behind it, especially given the personnel that he used. There are also backup, they're backup full-backs too. At least Robertson has played in a back three before. I highly doubt Simicast and Bradley have played many games. It's any in a back three together, not together, but just in general. But also, like you said, huge change. We saw last season, at times, McAllister coming back from international break is a slow starter. I'm surprised. It's a lot of trouble in the yesterday. So, I was expecting someone in the field to freshen it up. Now, listen, maybe because Jones hasn't had much training. He wasn't ready. So, my thinking, listen, I'm just allowed on the internet, if you're going to go with the same 11 sound, but surely the point going the same 11 is you want to blow for us away and get it one of the first 60. And then you make your maths changes then because then it doesn't matter, which look plenty managers do. City have done that, Arsenal have done that, liberal done in the past with Klopp. But we didn't even try and do that. So, it just didn't work. And, but yeah, so, well, I think as the president of the channel three at the back committee, this is not how I wanted to see that. I just like to throw that out right now. All of my calls for three at the back in no world whatsoever. Did that ever include cost estimate cast? It just, he doesn't, he doesn't have enough impetus when you're chasing the game. I know he can put a good ball in, but he just seemed so on the ball now. He's not physical. He's not physical enough to be in a back three rocks and while that's all will be different because by the time we switch to the back three, we're one mill down. We don't concede when we switch to a back three. It's all about trying to go forward with it. And I think the biggest, the biggest problem from today is I don't know what kind of fucking magic force field was at the top of the 18 yard box. When we were attacking that I think every single one of our passes we tried to make entering into their attacking area was the wrong ball. It was under hit. It was the wrong angle on it. It was right to a defender. It was there were so many times where we get the ball through the thirds and we're coming into the forest penalty area. Most solid was the main main culprit for this of just terrible, terrible, terrible passing. And for a team that we've seen it in the first three games can play those cute little intricate triangles even when it's in congested space. It was so baffling that we just had absolutely no, no end ball. The only good passes that we played were a pair of trevellas one by Trent and one by McAllister. And that was it was kind of miracle outside of the footballs into the box that we ended up getting ahead on and cells made a couple of fairly routine safe from it. But from that build up play, which is what we're kind of expecting with Ernest Laut's style of of attacking is instead of being, you know, like that lightning fast. You know, deadly balls that cut teams open on the quick attack of building up building up building up passing passing passing. It was. That was the biggest frustration for me today was we we had enough possession of the ball and every time we got close to the penalty area, it just. It was wrong. Well, for me, if you're going to play a back three, you have to have with. And it would have been fine. If they had turned around and said, Okay, this is a back three, we'll go man from man with their front three, but their front three, we're going to push their front three back anyway. So it's going to be okay. If you had Sebastian and Jones as essential to midfielders, put Trent wide on the right. Put anyone on the left, because he's going to be coming in on the far post. Play to upfront. Give their three center back someone to look to look at rather than focusing on one striker play to up there. You're already one down. At worst, you're going to get caught on the counter. So what? You know, you may as well lose the game two and three, trying to get back into it. But from the last 20, 25 minutes. Matt, you keep meticulous notes on the game. I cannot for the life. We remember one real chance that we forced a miraculous save. There was suppose I had a shot that was blocked by Morello. Other than that, I can think of too much that we threatened them with at all. That was the only one. Yeah, it went from a. Yeah, it went from a. At 60 minutes where it looked, you see a prostrated, you're annoyed with the passing. To ripping up the playbook and throwing it all out and trying something that looks like none of them had a clue what they were doing. None of them. And someone made a point. I think it was Brian Haller in there. Joe Gomez should have been the sub if you're looking to go for a back three. Yeah, at least if Joe Gomez comes on, you can tell Connor Bradley who's in a who will be in a back three look. You jog on on the right wing. And we will lock up lock off as a two. But when if we lose it, get back in to make a three. But they look like they had no clue in what they were doing. And that's why we ended up where we couldn't force our way back into it. It's it's amazed me how being a goal down. For some to change the system and the way he plays. Completely. With the first sign of adversity, he just threw the whole lot out the door. We all wanted to see it. We all want to see what he would do when he handled adversity. I don't think anyone thought that was going to be what he would do. No, I just don't get it. And I hope that in his post match, he's actually really pushed hard on it. Because if he turns around and says, well, no, any quotes from post match at all. The thing is because it's not a main TV game today. It's it's going to be slow coming out. But look, it will come out for sure. On the forest goal. It's a great thing. Let's give the guy credit. It is a great thing. Oh, yeah. We can talk a bit about how it was avoidable, but get to we'll hit the player credit. Absolutely. Alisson's no chance. It's a dynamite finish, but the only thing that I noticed from the replay was after we gave the ball away. There was four midfielders and none of them got back. Odoy cut back onto his right foot to try to get it to get a shot off. If whoever was support on the right of mid, because I can't say that it was Trent playing right, or whoever is there, whoever happened to be on that side at that time was important to go to get back to try and get a block off. If they did, they might have been able to force him to shoot early. They might have been able to get a block on the shot, but I didn't see any one of the four of them personally got to get back. It's also made by Bradley, because Bradley should be trying to show them down the line, and then when he cuts in, it's a lazy dangle of leg out. You know, to try and sort of half pop up. And he's got no excuses. He's just come on. It's not like he's been running around for 60 years. I think in the point there, the gap push should have followed a forest player to stop the counter, and off a lot more had to happen, you know, by the time it got across to Odoy. I think it was hard to know, I'm nearly sure it was. Yeah, yeah. And we'd had the warning signs of it five minutes beforehand, when Odoy skinned Bradley, and went on the outside of him. And this time, Bradley overcompensated and got done on the inside. But yeah, it was a fantastic goal. It was a brilliant, if there's a better goal score, a better finish today. I'd be surprised. It was an absolutely cracking goal. But the warning signs were there because as soon as Nuno made the changes, it was, we didn't know how to deal with it, and we just went to shit after that. After our changes, it got so much worse. Yeah, before we get over that. Before we talk about second half. Football prizes are our sponsor. They've still got a deal going at the moment. Tickets are 295. There's 999 tickets, and the closing date is the 24th of September at half to seven. And this is a chance for you to win a 2005 UEFA Champions League final shirt, full squad signed shirt. So, you know, at least that, you know, let's answer that. You might win. At least that's a bit cheery to win. Trust me, Liverpool playing like that. We'll be seeing champions anytime soon, unfortunately. And then don't forget our charity partners, which is fans supporting food banks in Liverpool and the Lighthouse Cafe in Dublin. The aim is to get to 10k and 5k for each charity. So please give what you can. If you can't give, please share around WhatsApp groups, social media, you know the drill by now. So, Ashley, I think the best chance Liverpool, Liverpool have read two real chances of the first half. One D has made on his own, which was chasing down Yates and he hits the inside of the post, bit unlucky. I think with the McCallister header, and then we had cells trying to throw it in his own net, which was highly amusing, would have been proper blooper gold stuff. But second half, I think we created one that got cleared off the line, but I mean, it was a routine clear supply. It wasn't like it was a desperation one. Have I missed anything? I mean, I think we talked about the Saba's lie shot at, like, toward the end that got that crazy ricochet that probably could have gone anywhere. But today it wasn't going to go in the net given our form and our luck. There was a Trent shot around 68 minutes. I don't think there was really much. I mean, if anything, most of the time that we spent in the box was just giving the ball away. Like Matt said, it was just on the edge of the box. And yes, Yates did get booked. The only time he got booked was for delaying the shot at halftime. He should have gotten booked multiple times because he looked like a bully on the playground, just beating McCallister up for fun in the entire game. And it's kept pointed out to me for the DS, James, he had balls in the first half. He tried to pull it back. So he gets away with it on slot here. We lost the ball so many times in simple situations. That was the story of the game, to be felt pretty accurate. Because let's be honest, we never kept the hold of it, did we? But Matt, I know you're the internal optimist. And what was surprising was the subsidy brought up when you saw them calling you thought, "Okay, that newness coming on, Gackpo, yeah, swap forwards. Badly new tricks we feel. Bit different, okay." He weren't dreadful subs. They just did not perform. I mean, I think the only touch newness got was to help set up the corner opportunity, I think. And I generally don't remember Gackpo getting the touch in the game. That's not a sign that stuff that we've got him in the game, did we? Yeah, I mean, he had a couple of touches. I mean, hugging the touch line out on the left-hand side. But him and Darwin, I mean, Darwin has loosened the ball on the edge of the forest box, shocker, and then five seconds later, the ball's in the back of our net. So, I mean, that was the impact that our substitutes had. It was something that I remember from last season talking about how many times we came on these shows and raved about how club substitutions changed the match. We said the same thing in the first match of the season when he took Kwanzaoff and brought Kanate on against Ipswich, and it changed the game completely. You've got to give Nuno a spare to Santa the credit for that today because his substitutes won that game. I mean, specifically won that game. It was Anthony Alanga playing a gorgeous cross-field ball to Calum Hudson to Doy, two substitutes and the balls in the back of the net. And we make our substitutions and it was ponderous, it was slow, but it's hard to... It's hard to, you know, take lumps out of the substitutes when the starting eleven were all the same. They all had the same issues, just being too slow on the ball, too casual with the ball and just losing it in possession. So, there was somebody there early, I think it might have been ball paddock at the start of the show who said that, you know, it would have been a good game for a player like Harvey Elliott. Now he's got to bust it up foot, so I mean, that's not something that we can deal with, but yeah, it was... You guys are saying, like, we should have made some changes to the starting eleven, but I mean, you see the players that come in off of the substitutions bench, and I know it's a different game when you're coming off the bench versus when you're starting from the off, but none of those players that came on in substitutes put their hand up and said, "I need to be in the starting lineup." But surely, like, they could have at least had an impact in like a defined, like, setup. I think that if Conor Bradley and Simicast had played in a defined back four from the start, and then you decided to bring on Trent or Robbo, put Robbo in the back three, or put Gomez in the back three, put players that actually know what the hell they're doing in that position. If you're going to experiment mid-game, which you're losing and you have no control, you're losing the control as the game progresses, and you're going to throw in players that have never played that role ever, probably, in a professional match. Like, do that in training. Don't do that when you're losing at Anfield. Yeah. I wonder if there's an underlying issue with Andy Robertson's fitness, because that's four games in a row now that he's been subbed off for Simicast. I just think that's tactic he uses because... I mean, you could say the same thing about Trent. That's a shit tactic. If your tactic is to bring on cost to Simicast, because I thought Robertson actually provided a lot of good attacking outlook. Like, he seems to be picking up inside-channel positions in the attacking third quite often and making those puns and getting into the box. Not the player you want in the box with the ball at his feet, but at least he's adding something to it, whereas Simicast is just so slow and all the momentum when the ball gets home just disappears, so I don't get it. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying I agree with the tactic, but this is one way they'll talk about how you, you know, you rotate aside and get minutes as either. You rotate aside or you stick to a fairly similar starting level, but you have pre-determined certain... you're banking certainly a 360, certain players do 30. Whether you agree that or not, it's no matter. Onslaught says it's a big setback. Normally, this team is not ending in the top 10, so if you lose against them, it's a big disappointment. No shit there, really. I want to see the same energy every day after a big win draw or loss. We go to work again tomorrow. I mean, that's... I know he's way of saying, you know, don't get too high when you end, don't get too low when you lose, you know, he's obviously going to have to try and downplay this as a one-off. But I suppose, actually, if you want to try and be positive or try and find a positive, this is a big early setback early on. So, what we hope is, this now wakes a few players up and goes right. You know, there's a certain level you've got to achieve, and if you don't achieve it, we're out the door and we ain't doing anything this season. But, obviously, the other way is that could just be what the pull-off, which is three games are good, and then we're going to throw in one of these every now and again, which, if we are, then there's going to have to be changes. Yeah, I mean, I said learning experience in the beginning. For me, that was more with relation to slot. I think you can give him a little bit of leeway and be like, "Hey, well, he's figuring out the system. He's figuring out how to manage an international break, all of those things." I think the thing that bothered me the most was the attitude, and Kev made a couple of references to this in our chat. Like, that, to me, is not a learning experience moment for the players. Like, the players did this last year, where they didn't show up to games that they thought they were going to win, and I understand that they're tired. They've come back from international breaks, but I just didn't see... I mean, maybe it's just because they're tired. Maybe that's what it is, but, like, the lack of energy that they put into that second half, and the lack of tracking back on the goal and all of these things, it just, that, to me, needs to be nipped in the bud right away. Like, I don't have any patience for that long term for learning purposes. They need to get that out of the team, because there were so many times where we lost games in this exact kind of manner last year, and the last thing I want to see is that being brought into this year and becoming, like, a toxic trait that we carry forward. What I don't want to see, Matt, is we start turning to what we see with Man United, which is apology tweets will try harder next time. Don't worry, this is a one-off. Yeah, I don't want apologies. I don't want any of that, but I want LSE players to know that's not good enough and react. And then next time, because it'll be the nervousness now around Liverpool fans, and I understand it is, right, first time we went one day down, with half hour to go, we did react. I'm going to manage to react to Pauline, but now we're going to play better size and forest. What are you going to do if you're going to go one day down again? Because this is now, we now need to see something positive that we ever do go one day down again, what are you going to do? Yeah, it's certainly don't want to see a flurry of Instagram posts and tweets from our players apologizing. I wouldn't be upset to see one of the leaders of the team doing a post-match interview just saying that was a shit performance. And we all need to do better as a team because I think that's the sort of performance that there might be some tactical issues. I think you could pretty easily say that Nuno outcoached the slot today. And I think in the first three games, you would say that in the coaching battle that Arnisslot won the first three battles that he had. And then come number four, and he got done pretty bad. Especially when you saw the way that slot talked about the tactics against Man United after the match. It seemed so positive of like, man, look at how smart this guy is. He's so clever, he's so clever. So there might have been some tactical issues there, but it was just an attitude. It was an attitude and application thing from all the players. And that's where you need your Virgil Van Dyke, your Tran Alexander Arnold, your Mo Salas to have a players only meeting. From the preseason, it was said that slot doesn't go into the players or the change room that's the players area where they're able to talk amongst themselves. So hopefully there's some harsh self-reflection and some smacks upside the head for everybody on that because nobody holds their kind of pie after that. A bit more slot shaft. We only have ourselves, sorry, sorry. We only have to look at ourselves. We have to be better. Far too many times we lost a ball around the area. It was not good enough. The result frustrates me the most and we cannot be happy about the game. Happy about how the game went. It was a stop-start game and we hardly created any chances. I mean, yeah, look, I mean, this is all paint by numbers answers. So, you know, at least as though so far no sort of excuses. I suppose, Kev, it's easier to be elaborate after a win saying this is what we expected. This is what we did. This is how we did things. Have you treated you ever if you never just come out and say, well, this is what we expected and this is how we didn't cope very well. The only thing he let slip probably before the game was, I think he sort of said, "Oh, they're playing different wingers today." So, but, you know, we'll adapt to that. So they clearly had an idea of who bars were going to play and I don't think he was expecting those two to start. That did. Well, Matt spotted something to do with Robertson. I spotted it and I said it to you in the game. The amount of times he ended up inverted as almost like a second striker was a design. It was an absolutely stupid idea because... If you're going to make someone a second striker, it'd be tranquil, no? But it's not just that. He's not George the album. He's not Alfonso Davies. If you move Andy Robertson on the overlap and swap him with Diaz becoming the second striker, suddenly you have a much bigger threat and a much more dangerous player in the final third. I just... I don't get the logic and the thought process that Slat was trying to achieve by trying that. And it just made no sense. Luis Diaz is in the form of his life. Come off a really good international break in the main part. Been flying up until today. And you've got Andy Robertson who's been really good at overlapping and forcing... he and the overlap would have forced Forrest to play a wider. That back fight to be wider. Instead, by him being inverted, it allowed them to close up because Luis Diaz wasn't going to go on the outside. He's going to cut back to try to whip in his shot. And that pushes their back five closer together because more salads than the other side doing exactly the same. And nobody went on the overlap with salad. Not one. So, I mean, this was the plan from the outset because they did it for an hour. And that... I'm glad that we've got a game coming up on Tuesday to get this out of our system. But that, to me, tactically made no sense whatsoever. And look, it all came out in the wash in the end, but ultimately he's going to have to make changes for Tuesday night. And they're going to have... I hope they're not the changes that we saw though in that format. No, it's changes in how to build up play. That's all it is. If you're playing against the side who are going to be a low block and who are going to play in the back five and play a five-three-two, when you're playing five-four or four-two-three-one, then one of your sentiments, your holding sentiment, has to advance and try to get involved to almost create two-tens to leave one sitting at the base of it that you play through. But that didn't seem to happen. It was just coming in like he inverted most of the last season, which is okay if he's picking past us. But when you only got the yoga adjusted to hate, you know, against three centre abs who were man-marking, one of them was man-marking him. Ryan Gravenberch in the six was man-marked by Morgan Giswhite all game. So they couldn't really get the ball into him. And you didn't see anyone or someone from the sideline roaring at McAllister to drop in to create the extra man to be able to build out through the middle that way. You know, as far as the center did a job on us today, technically and technically with these substitutions. And Slott needs to learn quickly from it because other managers will look at that and this is not the first time we're going to be facing that this season. He's got to work out a way of getting around it. I don't think any of us would put Nuno at like the very top of tactical managers in this league either. No, but he's a good coach. He is. But he's a good coach. I'll give him his flowers for the, like he did set them up. You know, and he's made them hard to beat this year. Like they're undefeated. So credit where credit is due. But, you know, like we saw a low block today. We're going to need to figure out how to deal with that going forward. And, and we are going to be coming up against more astute managers than Nuno. Well, yeah, it was probably at the weekend. Sorry, I'll probably choose that. I actually had the weekend because I think ball was managing is a clever manager. Um, I suppose. We keep going over and over about the game. I'll just say it now. Some of the chance the forest fans get in the bedlands. Honestly, I can't have you putting a flag up saying no more charity. Try to do chances and then it starts within five to ten minutes. Give it a rest. Honestly, I'm bored. I'm bored of people talk a bit happening still, you know, in this day and age. But actually back to the football that we said we expect changes for Tuesday. But disclosure, I thought today was the day we played change because that eleven started today is what I thought would start away at Milan. I thought the side that played so well against United will probably play against Milan because that's on paper, a harder test of the forest. But I have no idea what he's going to change now because don't it came on. You went off by Christies coming off, you know, with the way they performed. I don't know. Like I said, like as long as we don't start with those three at the back, like that will be an improvement because I honestly will just probably hide. I don't know. At this rate, I kind of just expect him to pick the same eleven. Like I, I'd love for him to prove us wrong and show that he learns from this and figures out a way to integrate. But I mean, you're talking what like two days before they're actually on the field. And that includes a day of travel. Like how much is he actually going to be able to switch up from this? Like I thought this was going to be like a dry run for, you know, maybe some changes that we might see going forward. We didn't see that. So I don't know. I genuinely have no idea what he's going to put on the pitch. I had to put money on it. I'd probably say the same starting eleven unfortunately. Yeah. Actually brought her here quote from Alison. I'll read that out. I can't say this is a quote I like to say. We played better than the opponent and didn't deserve to lose. That to me, Kev, and Matt strikes off entitled FC 101. How dare we play better than Thoris and not lose. We didn't play better than Thoris because we couldn't pass a ball for five yards. And we left ourselves wide open. They knew how to hit you on the break. And stuff like that annoys me. It's just, yeah. We created no chances in the first half. Of course, they're key for into good saves. And they had one. Well, no, they probably had three really good chances all in the second half. And they finished one of them. At the end of the day, I can argue with the fact that Thoris got their first three points at Anfield in the league since 1969. I can't argue with it. Because ultimately, our eleven plus five subs didn't do enough. They didn't do enough. They didn't force enough chances. They didn't create enough and ultimately got what we deserved. OK, a couple more items and quotes. We gave them two. We gave that too easily when they scored. It was poor defensively from us. We couldn't create much. We had a lack of quality to say we need more energy. It's three points we have lost. And there's a line up there just before that, sorry, which says it was a shame losing points at home. Losing points at home is not good at all, but the opponent today only wanted to defend and play long balls. Ali, that's the fucking game mate. Guess what? Clubs can play whatever way they want. If you want to be competing at the top end, you find a way to adapt to that. Let's be honest. It's not the first time people have come to Adelaide that way. It's quite a routine thing. City face it all the time. Arsenal face it all the time. All the opportunities we had were not clearing off and they defended great, which is true. They threw themselves in front of the ball. They did. They did. I wish we did. I wish we did. Look, they have a way of playing. Whether you like it, you don't like it, you can all be like... Yeah, but they're not going to show up and play the way we want them to play. No, because the size that do that end up like Burnley or Southampton a bit. They get humbled because it's stupid. You wouldn't do that. Unless you're Man City or Arsenal, you will play your way against Liverpool because you back your players. But, yeah, it's just bizarre. Matt, what do you want to see happen? Should we start end up? We can't blame him. We can't blame him. He didn't come on. I don't think that's the answer though. I mean, at a certain point, he's going to play games. Especially now with Elliot being down. I think seeing Trent move into midfield after Bradley came on, I think might be a little indication that we might see a little bit more of Trent in midfield than I certainly would have thought after the first three games. But, like Kev said, seven games in 22 days. You're going to have to use that squad. So, yeah, there's going to be some changes. I think Quanzil will come back in on Tuesday. You know, he's due, he's due to start to get back in, get back on the horse. I mean, he hasn't, I don't think he's had a minute since he got taken off at halftime against Ipswich. He plays twice the, I think he plays in the 21s, I think. Yeah, he got Man of the Match for the Under 21s in one of their matches in the international break. So, I mean, that's good for him. So, it's time to get him reintegrated back into the team. I wouldn't be surprised to probably see Bradley start instead of Trent. And then you've got to imagine at some point Darwin and Gackpo are going to go from the start. So, we might see something like that. Maybe a little bit of Curtis Jones, but I don't know. It's tough to say every time last season when we did one of these shows where we had a weekend game and then a midweek game was like, "Oh, we're going to have five or six changes." And then you wouldn't, and then you'd go through another run where there was a run last season where we were making like six, seven changes every match and really cycling the team through. But I have no idea what to expect from Arneslot because, you know, he didn't have this experience really at Fanard. He really rode his first choice, 11, you know, very much like Michel Arteda would do. So, who knows? I mean, we have to rebound. I mean, Dan Austin came into the chat late and says, you know, we need to bounce back from this quickly. So, hey, three days, turn around and let's go again. Just cheers, though, but it's still an ill-emptancy. Yes. That's it. The weekend's results have been terrible. Let's wait until the game's actually over forever, Tim, before we get excited. That's awesome. Even if it's a six minute game, even if it's a mess, it would not change me up today. They only change me up when we won. You know. Look, I'm choosing, I expect to see at least four changes, at least four. And I expect to see another four changes for the weekend. And another three or four changes. No. I don't think I'll ever play in the West Ham game in the League Cup. And that'll be about all we'll see of him until the next League Cup fixture. But I fully expect to see a rotation in starting 11 from here on out. I don't know if it was a mat or someone in the chat might have said it. You did not need four defenders. I mean, on the bench. Me, you're with you. You're with you, wouldn't you? I'm with you, yeah. But, I mean, listen, maybe he isn't. Maybe he isn't matched for it. Match fit. That's fine. But you definitely don't be four defense on a bench. You know, especially keeping Joe Gomez. That is your utility defender. Quantum's as your main centre back. I think then it's you just make a choice, frankly, or summa gas. And then you have another attacking option on midfield option on the bench. Listen, would it make a difference today? No. Wouldn't have made a blind bit of a problem. I just meant in general going forward. Look, you know, when case of the scratch, I expect to see one of those. At least it's not the AC Milan of Kaka. And that law, you know, it's not a vintage AC Milan. But they're a good side. And yeah, it'll be a different game. It'll be a completely different game. And the difference is this time with Europe. It's not a case like where before we played in Europe, you go in when your first four games and then you take your foot off the accelerator and you wrote it in the last two. This time round, it's going to be foot to the floor for eight games. Because you need to get it. You need to get as many points as possible to make sure that you're not in the knockout game. You're not in the knockout games at the back in the February. So in the 11th. You may be able to rotate Kevin's or take for guys. It may be the last two. If you've done brilliant in the first six, because then you kind of know it's mathematically possible for us to drop out. Yeah. But we're a mile away from that. I'm saying that's an extreme to have. Yeah. But one saying is we're a mile away from that. So the 11 that he puts out against Milan will need to be strong. It'll need to be good enough to go and get a result. But, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Ciers on the bench for that one. Yeah. Yeah. I hope so. I was kind of hoping to see him at some point today just because he's a good player. I mean, I would have liked to see him come on for more solid today because I think he probably should have gotten hooked. Yeah, he just didn't have a good game. Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about the match then. Well, I don't remember going to do much because we know we do man the match on momentum and could do better. Well, we might have to do best of the best of the shite, also shite and needs a rest. I'll put it that way. Well, I'll give you man of the match. We've got a we've got a not forest fan. It seems like Jeff G here in the chat says our back four had your wingers in pocket today. We got a result on another day. You would smash us at and in response to that, I completely agree. I think that Alex Moreno and especially all I know did well. I thought I knew was man of the match. He was he was excellent. His tackling against Diaz who we know can be tricky down that side. Getting doubled up on with Robertson and Diaz coming out against him. And he pretty much didn't lose a battle going down that side. Very good. Yeah, I thought he was fantastic. And Moreno is as much as we love Mo Sala. Mo Sala can get pocketed by a full back. We've seen it many times over many years. The flip side of that is, you know, hundreds of goals. But yeah, it's in terms of that wing battle today. Their full backs definitely definitely got the best out of our wingers. So I would give Aina man of the match for us. Oh, yeah. Man, that's tough. I was going to say Virgil, he had one bad giveaway. Like Kev mentioned, they had like three chances in the two chances and then they scored. And one of those came from Virgil, given the ball away poorly in the middle of the park. And that's one I think Morgan gives White shot it well. Why just about went out for a throw in sort of thing. But other than that, I thought like in terms of winning his battles and stuff like that, I thought Van Dyke was okay. Honorable mention would be canate and needs to do better would be literally everybody else. Except for Alice. Okay. Actually, you can stick with me. Oh, wait, just talk about. Oh, yeah. Everyone is. Yeah. Gosh. I mean, there were, there were a few, like, I think if you were to split it into the first half in the second half, I might be able to give you, like, some decent honorable mentions. Like, I do think Virgil had a good first half. You know, I think Allie made a few saves that, you know, I will commend. I just, I think once that second half ticked over, like everything just crashed and worked. Um, I think, I think saw this lie looks like he could use a rest. I'll say, well, we'll talk about saw this lie. Yeah. I, he's the one that I think could use a rest. Um, I, and then everyone else really has, has a big chunk to improve. Uh, grab that. Just decent. Grab, grab, which is okay. I think he was less than two exposed at times. Yeah. He didn't really stand out to me. I feel like he really controlled some of the last games. Yeah. That was a, that was a combo between him and McAllister. I think McAllister actually does a lot of donkey work off the ball that Grab and Birch kind of gets credit for. Um, I, I think he makes Grab and Birch look really, really good. And I think because McAllister was sort of off it today and just looked tired. I, I think in general, that too, just didn't shine the way it has in the last three games. Jeff, go on. Alison was the best of a fucking bad lot. Um, The rest of them had their moments when they showed glimpses. McAllister's outside of the foot pass to. Oh, but you're just a, that just a should have headed, but he tried to volley. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, when he decided to volley it, then the ball was only ever going in one direction to one place. He had to go over to that with his head, but that was a supplying pass. Um, Salah was as bad as I've seen him for the last three years. But for every one game like that that he has, he'll have tended where he's outstanding. So I'm very relaxed about it. All in all, I think, look, there's a whole lot of them, you know, can do better. We know they can do better. We know they're better than that. They need to feel that, you know, this one stings and they need to put it right. You know, that's why I said I'm glad there's a game choose tonight. The games are going to come sick and fast, they can't wallow in South Pity. At the end of the day, his three points dropped, but it's not the end of the world. You know, it could have, it's as bad as, it's as bad a result as you're going to get. But it wasn't as if we were taken to the cleaners by a side who we should be beating. They got a, they got a break that they worked really well and they finished it off. Other than that, it wasn't until we were really throwing the kitchen sink at everything that they started to open us up a bit more. So, look, it is, it's done. There's no point in dwelling too much on a pocket and move on, but lesses need to be learned for sure. Yeah, I mean, I thought that I thought it was okay. That was the best I could do. It's always Ali. In terms of, it could do better. Moke Salah, like I said, that's the worst game he's had in probably about three years. The one who pissed me off the mokes was Salt Bus Life. I just felt in a bad game, that happens. You know, but I just thought his attitude to stone, I thought he was petulant. You know, overheating passes, that happens. But then stupid fouls when you're trying to chase a game because he's getting petched because he hasn't got his own way. I thought he did very, very well to survive the full 90 minutes because he was awful. You know, so, but hope is, it's won by game and this is a wake-up call. Oh, who knows? Hey, Chris, I got a question for the panel seeing is that our regular friend Arsenal for life has dropped into the chat telling us to keep our chins up ahead of the North London Derby tomorrow. Do you think Salah should have been sent off? Because I do. What? 95th minute when he kicked the ball way after the whistle went when he was already on the yellow card. I think he should have gotten, I think he should have gotten a second yellow card for that. I didn't see that. As soon as it's all pulled out, I wish that I could see it. I didn't see him do it. Yeah. But I do think for the sake of consistency, I understand the argument. And if they're going to be consistent and if they're going to make a big call against Rice, it would have made sense for them to make that call. And I guess the only caveat to that is that you get a yellow card for delaying a quick restart and there was no fucking way not in force. We're doing a quick restart in the 90th. Noodle would have got Noodle would have ran on the pitch and kicked that ball again. If someone decided to take a quick quick kick, let's not get it twisted. Yeah. But I just saw him. I didn't see it really. It seemed like he should have gotten a second yellow. Yeah. Well, look at you. You tell me dead then. Yeah. By the rules of the game, you should have done. But actually to us, in the sense of probably one little bit of bad thing. It's been a week before. So, rest of the week. We've got the lads back Sunday for Fatback 4. We'll have a show. We'll have a preview show on Monday. And then we are back on Tuesday, where we'll pull our way to AC Milan. God's sake, I hope it's better than what we've got on today. That is my last night for about 10 days. That's probably not a bad thing. He can get killed. Right. I'm not happy. Anybody else want to add before we go? Oh, don't get it. Happy birthday to Avo. Yeah. That's why we lost. It's Avo's first. I'll tell you and listener. Yeah. It's the big 100. We don't have a lot of centenarian listeners of the channel. But for Avo to hit the big triple digits, that's a big. He brings a lot of experience to our chat. It does. Not a lot of sense, but a lot of experience. Experience though. Yeah. Yeah. Don't forget the women's show is now live on the channel. We have Neil Atkinson and Emma Sanders just previewing the WSL season, which happens next year. So all good. So give it a watch. It's good. Like, subscribe, all that, all that good stuff. Until then guys, take care of yourselves and we will see you all very, very soon. And hopefully, look what we call it. This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. [BLANK_AUDIO]
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