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FM Talk Outdoors 9.14.2024 "Live" From C&D Farms Outdoor Expo
It's time to talk about the outdoors in South Alabama, hunting, fishing, and getting outside along the Great Gulf Coast. It's time to take it outside with FM Talk 1065 Outdoors with reports, stories, how-to information, and Dr. Bill's Marine forecast. Here's Sean Sullivan and Mike Ward. When we go FM Talk 1065 Outdoors and we are live, everything's good to go here. We're live from the grounds at the convention center. It is FM Talk 1065 Outdoors. Sean Sullivan, my partner, Mike Ward. Glad to be here, Sean. Got a busy day today. There's a lot of people showing up today. Yeah, it is. We enjoyed it out here yesterday, but pulling into this parking lot today, a lot more folks coming into the outdoor expo today. That's right. Well, one thing they're trying to come here early, I think, because they're going to get back and watch the ball game. 11 o'clock kickoff. Yep. So that's going to slow down here for a little bit, and then it'll pick back up again. So the hours today, it's 9 to 9, and so, and tomorrow 10 to 4. Yep. So coming up on a short day tomorrow. Yeah. Coming up on today's show, we will talk to folks who are here at the outdoor expo and also remind you some events. This one, it happened yesterday right when I ended mid-day mobile, but it's happening again today. And I'm pretty interested in watching this happen. They have the honey extraction going on. The folks from Latham B Farm. Right. Honey extraction demo, which is a chance. Maybe somebody might get stung might, somebody might get stung. I hope it's you, Sean. It's what real friends are for. So that's going to go on. So if you bring the kids out here two o'clock or five o'clock, they'll do honey extraction. Plus you could taste the fresh honey as it comes out, but they're going to do that exhibition here in the, we're in the Hocklander building and in the room in the back here where our buddy Joey Mason from Mason Hills Farm is. Yep. They'll be doing it back there. So give that a heads up, talk more about that coming up. And he's doing some cooking back there too. That man's always cooking. He's got, he's got a cooking trailer that's, I don't know, is it as dang near as long as your contender? It's big. I'm serious. It is a serious machine back there. So yeah, you know, Mason Hills Farm, you hear about us talking with him a good bit. Joey's here as well. And he's cooking so many vendors. And we'll talk about that as we go through the show and to lead off batter here. So this man, and it's like we should know each other just from circles that we run in or the fact that we're interested in a lot of the same things. And I see him on Facebook. You know him maybe by name, maybe you know him by business. Native sense, the name of the company. Zach, new. Good to see you brother. Good to see you, Sean. Now what, what are y'all like y'all are getting the, what makes it different? Because you've got your scent over there, your extract, your deer scents. And I see it's about being cold. So it's a body fluid. If you have blood, milk, any kind of body fluid, you keep it refrigerated without preservatives. It stays fresh for longer. So as long as you keep it cold, you don't have to worry about it going bad as fast. I never thought about that in the early days being a kid and going out and buying Tink 69. You get that thing and I never thought why when I open, I mean it smelled like deer pee, but it wasn't rotten. So I had to be putting something in there to preserve it. Right. Well, if you're ready to bottle, I think it still actually says original formula. Well, okay. So leave it at that. I don't have a formula. You got God's original formula. That's it. I have pee. So loving the hat too. You should make deer pee great again. Let's talk about your process. When this started, when did you decide you're, you're going to, I mean, because it was established that, oh, what tinks and these people do it? When did you decide now I can do it better? So years ago, I got started with a farm and business out of Illinois and it was started on a farm fresh basis. And then the state of Alabama steps in and they want to introduce a deer pee band or a deer urine band, serpent urine band in the state of Alabama in 2019. But there was a loophole. If you were in Alabama farm, you didn't fall in that restriction. Okay. Because we had not had CWD at the time. In the state, right. Now, since then we have have what three cases. Yeah, I think in Lauderdale County, North Lauderdale. Yeah. So that kind of put my foot in the door there. I had a local farm I could get it from. And then, so you had a local, I mean, you had, you had deer on the farm. Yeah. But there was deer already established on the farm. He'd been running the farm for probably 25 years. In the state of Alabama. Yeah, in Deer Park. Okay. And yeah, great place for it. Everybody was like, is that what it's called? Why it's called that? Yeah, people who aren't from around here be like, yeah, no, it's it's actually called Deer Park before we started. Yeah. So you've got these, you've got these white tails. And I mean, I, you know, I'm one generation removed from a dairy farm. I know what mama did out there for. Let's talk about the process of how you get your native sense. It is super high tech. Okay, good. It takes a 99 cent catch-up squirter from the dollar store. And I just squeeze it in every bottle. Every bottle that you get is hand bottled by me. I'm a one man band for the most part. Now, what do you mean by that? What do you, I just fill the bottle up with the P. Oh, I got you. And then squirt it in each individual bottle, and then twist every individual top on each bottle. So it got a industry, but John was wanting to know how you got to pee. Concrete floor. All right. So like, like, like a milking barn or something like that. Okay. Instead of washing it off the slab, you just put a drain in the slab, slope it and catch it. Okay. Now, of course, we're all looking for his hunters. I want that pee, but I want that don't pee from estrus. Right. I want that. So do you, so there's really not a 28 day window where you're doing this, or can you get them in estrus throughout the year or what? So as long as you're artificially siminating, you know when your deer are in estrus, because you're not going to waste that, you're not going to waste that bill. So you know that there's a 72 76 hour window in there that she's going to be coming into population. So you start bringing those those in. But does that all happen during the run, or can you artificially make that happen? You can start that with a product like a cedar, a medicated cedar. It just inserts, and then you remove it 14 days or so later the deer will fall into. Okay. So this is the answer in the question because I was like, man, I do you hustle to work hard on like, but is that working this all during the? I don't do all of that part during the run. Okay. I just do the deer pee part. Okay. I take the byproduct from the farm and I put it into a useful product. So and the company once getting native sense, Alabama and Alabama company Homeboy here with Zach, but I see in your social media, there are people around the country. Everywhere. Everywhere. I talked to a guy last year, I think it was last year, it might have been year before last, he was all the way up in Massachusetts. And I got hooked up talking to him through a forum on Facebook, on how to make Motscrapes. He just, he was not getting it through message. I was like, just call me. He called me and I explained, I broke it all down to him. I was like, it's, it's really don't overthink it. So you're, so these people that guy Massachusetts is buying your sense from here in Alabama? He bought some buck pee from me and ended up the first time he ever made a Motscrape. First year, he's ever bow hunting, went out and shot 181, 181 inch buck on his Motscrape, the first morning he put it down. I don't like this guy already. I don't like this guy. I do not expect this every time. This does not happen a lot. So you just got lucky. Wow. You got lucky. I mean, but I'm glad you got lucky with my product. That's, and I'm saying too, good for you on a couple things. I mean, seeing the opportunity and a lot of people would say, man, there's not room for another player in this. These big companies that have the preserving ones are, you know, sometimes, and this is an entrepreneur story, not just an outdoor story because people say, I can't compete with whatever filling, whoever the behemoth is in that business. And you said, like, obviously you said you could. I can find a niche. I've got the net farm fresh is my niche into this market space. So how long does it stay fresh? So as long as you don't open it, I fill my bottles up. So it's a one ounce bottle, but technically you're getting like an ounce and a quarter ounce and a quarter. So I fill them all the way up to the tops and then I squeeze the tops down. So it takes a lot of that air out. So I bottled some non-estrous doe urine over there that I like to make for covers for walking in to make mocks grapes or walking into my boat stand open in the morning. I spray my boots down and non-estrous dopey. And then I'll take some buck urine, you know, and spray it around a little bit. And I just kind of hit up. I find my stopping points with it. Yeah. And but my niche with it is the farm fresh part. And what makes it last is keeping the air from it, but not putting in a diluting substance that I have to then mix and blend into it with micro air bubbles to make it, you know, make a solution more or less, I guess, with it. Yeah. So would they call it the formula? So yeah, the formula, the original formula. Okay. Can you hold on a second? We're coming right back. We're talking more about what's going on today. Here at the GND Outdoors Expo, Zach New, native sense here. I'm sure there's people got questions. I mean, it's not every day you run in and somebody goes, well, what I do is I bottle pee. And I do this for a living. So it's good stuff. We'll be right back. We're back FM talk, one of six, five outdoors, Sean Sullivan, Mike Ward. Yes, sir. And we are live at the GND Outdoor Expo and doors open until nine tonight, 10 to four tomorrow. And a lot of fun. A lot of fun out here and getting to talk to like minded folks. And that's what, you know, Lee and Starla did too. As they said, hey, number one, they did a hunting show. Thank God, somebody did a hunting show after all these years. So I mean, Zach, like I used to go. Good thing they did it because I was a guy that said, you know what people ought to do? And I didn't do it. But at least Lee and Starla from GND stepped up and did it and had a hunting show and brought in folks from our area. And this is the first year. And it's a success. Yes. And I've already talked to several people that I know that's going to be then there's next year. Yep. Because that's what always happens, right? There's some of us early adopters and then there's people walking through going, okay, wait till everybody jumps to the pool and then I get in. Yeah, I think next year, people didn't know about it. Right. You know, so next year is going to be really good. Well, it's good this year. It's going to be better next year. Yeah, it's what I tell you what, there's a whole bunch of people here and a reminder to we talked about it yesterday, yesterday, today and tomorrow the kids are shooting archery in the competition here, their competition event going on. In addition, you bring your kids, they can shoot as well. So if they want to come out here and shoot and see, you know, we talked about this yesterday too, like it's for everybody. You know, you go to a big high school, there's a chance unless you're pretty special, you don't play football, you don't play baseball. And now you don't, I mean, it takes, you know, you're big enough school, you got to be a heck of an athlete to make those teams. But in archery, there's room for everybody and they got everybody from a high school quarterback to a kid from band or something like that, all that can compete, compete the same level, shooting archery. And it's exciting. And it's a great thing. We have really our areas shown itself to be pretty big winners. So come out here and check this out during the day today. Zach Neu, native sense, our guest here too. Like I said, I've been stalking this guy, we've like, it feels like we know each other, but we don't. Both interested, obviously in deer hunting, both interested in just wild critters. Yeah. You know, from all around our area. We talk about bears. Yeah, we talk about beer. Yep. We're both. Yeah, both talking bears a whole bunch, which brings me, yeah, to the honey thing. The guys over here at Lathan Honey Company, which is fantastic, wouldn't mean to get hives my own. I showed him the first two pictures of my camera that's more than black bears. I said, I'm going to take it easy on honey, but y'all, let y'all do that part. But what you do in the set world here is, is pretty exciting. So you're doing something, you're doing something that is not just, you're an Alabama company, you're a homeboy, but like you said, Massachusetts, but I see your social media. There's people using your sense all over the country. We're having successful harvest of deer from Nebraska, north to, or northwest, to Massachusetts, northeast, to Ocala, Florida, southeast, to Freer, Texas, Benovites, Texas, southwest. So it's to your ship and all kind of everywhere. And how do you deal with that? Because you're, you know, everything like out over your booth here too, you got the refrigerator and all that. I ship it on ice packs. Okay, I'm about to say, how do we get that? I actually just shipped a jar of my war party jails to Brooklyn, New York last week. Okay, what, what? Yeah, the war party. The war party jails, which is a, it's my book you're in, it's called War Party. Makes sense. We've, I shipped a bottle, or a jar of it to Brooklyn, New York, of all places. Maybe, maybe somebody from there has got a place to hunt and they leave the city and go. Got to. Not sure. So somebody wanted, uh, you're in right now, estrus, you don't have it. I can't give it to you right now. Yeah. So when do you get it? So we'll start collecting the estrus from the farms around the first week of November. We'll have those, those first, so first, you know, maiden those that are coming through from that earlier October cedar implantation, trying to get that going. So I've got two backup farms now. I've got one that's up around Aniana and I've got another one that's down around Coleman somewhere. Right. Somewhere between like Vinemont and Coleman somewhere in there. I've been to Aniana one. There's one. Yeah, there's a couple of them up there. So a lot of folks don't know it, but there's like 320 or so have farms in the state of Alabama. That's right. Wow. Yeah, there's a bunch of them. Yeah. So you're, I mean, you're working with these people, they're doing their thing anyway. Yeah, they're doing their thing anyway. They're going to wash it off the slab or I can get it from you. That is smart too. That's efficient. But this process going on anyway with the brain. So while I'm, hey, can I help you all and you help me? Right. So the state kind of has an implement, uh, implementation on that too, to where it's a five year closed herb regulation. So explain that to me. You can't have a deer brought into your facility within five years before you can legally collect and sell the urine from it. Got you. Almost like a quarantine kind of stuff. Yeah. You can only, you can, you can, from, from my knowledge of the regulation, you can artificially disseminate from outside, uh, book donor. Right. But you can't bring a book. You can't buy a book in Jasper and bring it to mobile and to your farm. That's not, that's not considered a closed herd at that point. Got you. So it's a big closed for 10 years, you bring one deer in and now it's not closed. Okay. Right. So you got these facilities, you get the, and then you're collecting this and then you got a, I'm sure it's like a picture like a, like a MacGyver episode with a time clock ticking from the time you collect that to the time you're getting it. So it's not too bad. So what you do is you just wrap your collection buckets, like one of them, Yeti buckets, we try to use and we just wrap it in ice packs. Okay. And one of those dozer in there, we have a lid on it. So while those dozer in there, they're kind of like quail, like we talked on the break that they're real quick to Epstein themselves. Yes. Yes. So they will find a way to die. Yes. So, uh, you have to have someone there kind of, and usually they will, they'll have someone working around the barn while the dozer in the dark room. And they have to be total darkness or they will find a hole or a speck of light. And I'll try to get to it. Um, so we're usually pulling that bucket fairly often. Okay. So if it's, you know, 70 to 80 degrees, which is fairly normal here, that deer may drink four or five gallons of water a day. Okay. So they're going to urinate a lot. They're like a goat. They're going to be, they're going to poop. They're going to make a mess. Yes. So it's not hard to get it. Okay. But filtering it and keeping it as cold as possible, keeping it as airtight as possible. That's the trick. So like when I still get it from these farms, it might be a day or two before I can get to them to grab some more. It still looks like apple juice when I get it. It doesn't look like, I don't know, sweet milo, sweet tea or something. Right. But and the good point here is the fact that you said, like Mike asked, you could get some right now. You said no. The stuff that you will see on a shelf. That's right. Yeah. That it's preservative. There's a reason and it makes sense. It's like how I am with fresh foods and vegetables and things that grow. You know, there's seasons for eating foods that are from around here. So same thing here that you can't, you can't produce this in July. Some of us have been on the shelf since last year. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. And I never know. I mean, I haven't used a bottled tent like that in a long time. But when I was a kid, we didn't, we just thought that was, you know, the thing I didn't, I didn't think what, why can it sit on the shelf? I never thought about that. Some companies, these larger legacy companies, they're, they're pretty good about getting their, their leftover stock back. They'll actually take a lot of some of them will take their leftover stock from the year and then they will regenerate it into like a scrape, ah, scent or lure the next year and then put their fresher urine back on the shelf. But there's a, there's a product out there. It's called Estramate. I guess it's still in use, but like every 12 days, you can give your dough a shot of Estramate and make her fall into a faucet. She won't ovulate, but she'll, her hormones will boost into an estrus, but it's not an ovulation. Right. And you do that more than, you know, a half dozen times, you'll sterilize your doughs. So a lot of farms that are strictly urine farms, they will mostly be running sterile doughs, just giving them shots of Estramate. I've learned, I've learned so much, okay, people want to find out more about native scents. Where'd they go? www.native scents, llc.com. Okay. I've got 57 dealers across the state this year. Mobile County is wide open. Well done. What a story with success. Sure. Zach, thanks for coming on with us. Absolutely. Thank you. Thanks, Mike. Coming right back for more from FM Talk 10065 Outdoors at the G&D Farms Outdoor Expo. Welcome back, FM Talk 10065 Outdoors, Sean Sullivan, and Mike Ward, the crowd goes wild. Yeah, where they at? That's the crowd. Well, they have been here. It's been like, so when you walk in here at the outdoor expo and you come in and you take your right, and I think most people, I don't know how you, how you, this would be going clockwise. I think that'd be the normal way you'd come in to a vent and go clockwise. What time you do? I'm weird. I do counterclockwise. Also, like my dad used to say to me, he'd say, why do you open up the back of a book before you get to the front of it? I said, it's a habit. I don't know, we say. But the, so if you're coming in clockwise, we'll be the second booth. You'll see, Mike and I are right here. FM Talk 10065, we've got huggers, we've got pins, stickers, and your chance to get registered, we're giving away our much coveted FM Talk 10065 buckets with the rope handle. And the throw. They're great. Yeah, they are great. You got one in your boat? I do. I got one on my boat. I got two of them. Yeah. Well, that's, well, I ended up with two of them, but I got two of them. I got two of them. Yeah, it's like Ward said, y'all come on by, we'll hook you up with those as well. And it's a, yeah, there's, so not only we have all the vendors here, and I want to point this out, we have the vendors that are here. And I mean, it's from, from WMS seed, to taxidermy, to shooting houses, to the vehicles, to all that stuff here, in addition, there are events going on throughout the day. So they're shooting here on the east side of the hocklander building at the grounds, Greater Gulf State Fairgrounds. The kids are here shooting archery competitively, but in between, you bring your kids out here, they're going to set them up and let them shoot the bows. And it's, it's, if you have a kid that's never shot a bow and you watch them shoot for the first time, you see a smile on their face. It's just a cool thing. You know, I didn't realize it was open to the public. Yes. I thought they were just having competition back here. I didn't realize until you said it earlier that it was open to the public. Yeah. Great. Yeah. So that's when I talked to the folks from H&E archery yesterday, they said, well, yeah, we're having the competition, but when that's not, because they have, you know, waves of, you know, the competition, then it closes, that you can walk up there with your kids. They got the bows for them. They got the arrows. They got the targets set up. Yeah. And let them shoot. They saw a nice set up back there. Great set up. I mean, it really is. They got, I don't know how many targets they got back there. They must have 20, 25 targets or so. Yep. Well, there's targets. They got, they've got the big bullseye target and they have the 3D targets as well. Yep. So those are going on. Also, like I mentioned, uh, lathe and beef arm, that's pretty cool. Yep. Uh, if you want to be a, what is it called? Apiest, I think? That's beekeepers or apiest to think that I'm not sure. I think I think I'm all right, but they're doing, uh, their honey extraction demos at two today and five today, and I think two o'clock tomorrow as well. And they're going to talk about, they got a beginner beekeeping course going on, too. If you want to get into beekeeping, uh, this is a chance to get signed up and learn. These are things that, you know, that you see the number of people I know we talked to Lee and Starla Davis yesterday from G of D farms to hear them during COVID. Right. The number of chickens they sold. You know, and how many people, how many people got into things, things changed. And people said, man, I need to take some responsibility for my food. The amount of people that, like I've said, I'm glad that everybody came back to it. I kept, I just always wanted to be like my grandparents. So I've always gardens, you know, I mean, even as a 20 year old guy, I was gardening. You don't have any chickens yet though. No, I don't have chickens because I know what, I know what work cows. Yeah, I know what work chickens are because I grew up with chickens in the mix, but a lot of people getting into chickens, a lot of people getting into bees and gardening and all that. So that's going on as well. So y'all can come check that out once again open until nine o'clock tonight. And tomorrow going to be 10 to four o'clock. So stop on by and check out the event. And it's interesting to see this man sit down because not only is he I've said this in the past, I've said if Tom Kelly is the poet laureate of Turkey, hunting in Alabama, the MVP in quarterback of Turkey, hunting in Alabama. Eddie Salter is sitting with us who is also happy birthday Turkey, man. Well, man, good. Thank y'all. I appreciate that. That's mighty nice. But it's glad to have him birthday. Yeah, for now any three, you look like I got it. I got it. I got it. But Mr. Tom, man, I tell you what, he's a piece of work. And you know, he's a think about, you know, as being an Alabama guy who likes to Turkey, I try to think about like my heroes in Turkey. And I go the poet laureate, the man, I mean, still obviously it's a deadly turkey hunter, but the man that, you know, he is that guy. And then the front line guy is Eddie Salter. I mean, it's like I see the two y'all in this pantheon of Turkey hunting. And it's just great to have his good. It's been too long since we had on the show. Yeah, it has been. I appreciate y'all letting me get on here. We all then talking about Mr. Tom Kelly, we done some, we done a school up at Westerville where, you know, we bring in, they would bring in clients and we take them hunting. And so, but I always wanted to go with Mr. Tom, Turkey hunting. You know, we always went a different way. I want, and I told him, I had my camera man setting up with him right there. And, and I was just going to listen to see what he did. And so I was sitting back about 15, 20 yards. And, and Mr. Tom, he made a turkey call. And, and then he said his box down right there. And I sat there for about 15 minutes. He hadn't called anymore, you know, and I'm a running gun guy. I want, I want to make something happen. Everybody that's read the 10th Legion, the first book is laughing already with Eddie's story here because he had top talk. So he, how long, so he puts his call down? How long? Yeah, and I waited. I don't know. Seems like it was 30 minutes before we picked it back up again. And if we wouldn't, this was in the afternoon, we didn't go there and make a turkey gobble off the roost. You know, we were in there in the afternoon, just trying to crank up one. Well, I just said, well, I supposed to take somebody hunting the very next day. So I'm gonna get up and ease out. I'm gonna just leave my camera man. And maybe they'll call a turkey up, you know, because I about to go to sleep if I sit there. So we didn't have, I took on off and, you know, went on and I didn't make a turkey. I didn't make one gobble. Didn't find one. And they didn't. I come back. And I, later on, you know, me and my camera man was talking. I said, well, did you learn anything from Mr. Tom today? He said, yeah, one thing about it, he don't need much chalk for that bot. But you know, but it's just, it's two different type hunting. You know, it's, he's an old school type. And we start them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And you will kill day in and day out. He'll kill more old turkeys. Patience is dead. You know, they don't like a lot of times, especially in Alabama. They don't like a lot of cola. And I think, you know, I like a lot of cola and I like to make them gobble and, and I think that's my own worst enemy. But the camera has helped me. I, you know, it's helped me be a little bit more patience. And I hadn't got up and run as many off. But I knew them many of the time I've got up and have turkeys out there. And they'd go flying over the top of the trees. We've all done that. And, you know, but, you know, that's, that's what makes it so great. You know, it's so many different styles of hunting. And, you know, but I got so much respect for him. And, you know, he's a, he's a very colorful guy. You know, he'll, he'll get around a crowd and start talking to him. And he'll have them, they'll be laughing and tears running out of drive. It's just about a story. And obviously him putting them down in all those books for, for folks to read, you're getting brain and people say, well, you know, Sean, I'm gonna get in Turkey hunting. I said, well, go, go read 10th Legion. I see it. And get, get your history of how this happened before you get out and get out. It's funny. And you talk about techniques. So sitting right here with my friend. Yes. And my ward, he way he hunts. He's got the patience of Joe. Oh, yeah. Okay. And he's one of my turkey hunting buddies. I had another turkey hunting buddy that his, his turkey hunting world revolves on three minute intervals. Okay. We were going to run and gone. He often says, he said, you're halfway between Mike and I. And so I can, I can go to either side, but the patience. Oh, yeah. And the number of birds killed because of patience. Well, I mean, I think that's not what that works for me. Yeah. Now me and Eddie's hunting together. And he likes his running gun. And hey, look, it worked. Me and him hunting together. He kill one more. And I kill one hour or so later. I mean, just running and gun it. It worked. You know how you can judge how, how patient Turkey enter is, is the size of the seat cushions he carries. And Mike Ward carries essentially a love seat with him that he says, you know, you'll sit for a while when he's got a cushion on top of the cushion. We can be there. We won't be there for a while. I can't tell you, hey, and that's nothing wrong with it. But he does call a little bit more than Tom does. I wear a childcare. I see it. That's it. That's all. All right. They're calling from the, yeah, we're going to the break here coming right back more with FM Talk 10065 outdoors. Turkey man, Eddie Salter, our guest right here. We are live at the G and D farms outdoor expo. Be right back. All right. So welcome back FM Talk 10065 outdoors. Sean Sullivan, Mike Ward, glad to have y'all along and hope to see you in person today at the G and D farms outdoor expo open until nine tonight and from 10 to four tomorrow. And good on Lee and Charlotte Davis for doing this. Do it. This is turned out great for all the years of folks saying, you know, we ought to get a great boat show in the spring. All right. So we ought to have us a hunting expo and I'm that guy that just walks around saying it never did it. Yeah. Then you got people like Lee and Charlotte said, well, okay, let's do it. Yeah. So it's not too. It's not too good. We got Eddie Salter here with us. You come out here and it is show you how to use a mouth call. So you'll teach you how to that's right. That's right. Hey, the buzz around here is I this this right here is a new box call. I come out with this year and it got it got voted the number one box call of the year. Really? Yeah. And this is a aluminum lead on it. You know, I had one a little longer, but it's got only Eddie can make that sound. I got that. It's got a unique sound, but that aluminum gives it a sound that them turkeys are not used to here. And then they like it. They really do it. Yeah. And you got you need sometimes you need to pull out something that they hadn't heard. Yes, you get some of them old turkeys, patients, you'll kill a lot of them. But sometimes patients won't get their job done, but you can bring out something different. And buddy, you wonder about that too. When you you said, Bird may have heard him gobble. He free gobble come off the roof and you got him to gobble once and then nothing. And you know, he's still there. Oh, yeah. You know, he's still there. Yes. And you wonder, you know, most of us go, he's quiet. He's walking to us. Well, after about 40 minutes, pretty sure he's not walking to you. That's right. And he touched another call, like you said, and he fires off. That's right. I just wonder, we all wonder what the heck is going on in his brain. That's right. That's right. That's what I tell, you know, guys, that if, you know, a lot of times you'll sit there and in your food with a turkey, he'll be just screaming on the way up there. And then he gets out there about 75 yards and he just shuts up. I mean, hundreds of times we had that. Yes. And a lot of times we sat there and we called to him in the gobbles and then then he quit gobbling and you don't hear him gobbling them over. But the reason for most of the time is a little hen that's going to come in. I tell you, you're heading to herd. Yep. And he's just strutting along behind there and he's gone. Yeah. But sometimes, you know, I, well, a lot of times I've got up and made him fly off. But you take something different, just like you said, nine times out of 10 with just a little room in the box, I'm going to make him gobble. That don't mean I'm going to kill him all the time. No, but at least I know where he is. I know you're going to have the patience to sit there. But one of them, give me something, right? One of the tricks that I've had real good success with is running a mouth call or a box call at the same time. And of course, if you're hunting with a hunting buddy, in both of you start calling. Yeah, well, my favorite thing to do is have one guy cut the other guy off. I mean, Eddie can make him gobble and all that stuff. He'd kill me. I'll tell you that. Well, I tell you what, you know, if you think about it, it's just common sense. So, you know, old gobblers got two girls talking to him, said him one, you know, if you just, you know, if you think about it a little bit, why wouldn't you get him fired up? Yeah. And just, I know you've seen it a hundred times now, I have to, you know, you got that guy right there, just like talking about 75 yards and see him out there here, and you see him over there, he's strutting out there, and here comes a hen. Oh, yeah. Comes right by you. Oh, yeah. And he goes straight out there to you, to the, to the. Oh, yeah. And they gone. And it's over. Oh, he shuts up and never says another word. He's gone another way. Yeah, I had, I had an old hen. I had took my daughter hunting one morning, and I had an old hen. And that old hen was, had, she, she was, her feathers was kind of white, but black tips on the end of the silver phase time. Look it. And she walked in there and I pulled my hat off and boy, she broke out. She didn't fly, but she broke out there and went around and went out there about a hundred yards, made a loop, went right in there, it all got me. My daughter said, don't go on if I know that. I believe about a shot. But she's beautiful. She did. But you know, one thing about that hen, I watched that same hen for seven, eight years and seemed like every year she'd have a eight or ten little black, you know, like, you know, like you're supposed to. It didn't affect nothing that she had going on. She raised him up. Probably was a sharper hen because of that lightness. She, she, she was something was after her all the time. Yeah. Yeah. That's, yeah. Something to think about. She did a better job being mom. I see it. Because she had to do a better job to survive. That's it. That's a bigger story. And we got like two minutes left here. But, you know, the bigger story, we got, we like to kill turkeys, but we got to raise them up. But you're right. And we've got, you know, have had issues. I get more excited as landowner now, I get more excited to see in pulse, I think that I do. I don't know about it. No doubt about it. And you know, you know, you know, I think is nothing any better than, you know, it's a food source. You need to, you know, I plant chifas a lot of time in the spring, but hogs are bad on them. But regular just old crimps and clover. And it's not that expensive. That's right. They love it. I think it. It's not the clover as much as I think the bugs love to come in there and then turkeys come in and bug in that clover. And you can plant them along your roadways or, you know, nothing else. Go out there with a hands spreader and go in your food plots, you know, and put some out there. And one thing about it, it'll come back every year. That's right. It'll come back every year. Yeah. The bugs are the key. And they're telling us we're going to have to wrap it up to the, yeah, we're going to come back. Well, I appreciate it. You may have a great show here. Y'all need to come out here and look at all the good things they got going on. But thank y'all. Thank you. Appreciate you giving me a happy birthday. Mike is always good to see you. Happy birthday. Thank you there, Mike. All right. 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