Mission Darts Podcast
#5 - Jan Dekker, Jolly Ranchers and other Random Thoughts
- Welcome back to the Mission podcast episode five. And once again, holding my microphone today, 'cause I haven't got any way to put it, but hopefully you can hear me. Andy, I'm sure you can hear me. You might be able to see me once my camera focuses in, but you've got something in your ears today. - So I've got some headphones. I've got some headphones, Matt, because last week when we thought we'd got it all right, even though, as you can see, I'm still not moved out and you're in between out. So it's not ideal, but last week it was mentioned, that there was some reverb or something coming back from my speakers, coming back through my microphone. So it's great. It's like every week we find something else that we've done wrong. So I've got the microphone a little bit higher, I've been told that it's right there in front of me, and I've got headphones in so that when you speak, it won't come back through my microphone, hopefully. - Have you got it plugged in though? Remember the first video? - It's plugged in, the light is on. I can hear you where my headphones, you're holding your mic. I think we're good to go. - I did see a comment last week as well, saying, could Andy do it somewhere else because his acoustics aren't very good? So I don't know whether you can address that comment, and maybe just like move house to somewhere a bit more soundproof? - Yeah, so the problem is, is I'm in a completely empty room. So you're right, I can almost hear my own voice echoing. So I'm sorry about that guys. As soon as I should have moved this week, and this should be now in my new house, but we all know what happens with moving house, something went wrong at the last minute. So I'm still here. Hopefully hella moved next week, but who knows? So yeah, the little bit of echo there isn't me and Matt not knowing to do with our microphones, is literally the fact I'm in a room with one moving box and a computer, that's it. - I mean, let's not bruss over that fact. We don't know what to do with our microphones. (laughing) - We've worked out to plug them in. That's about it, mate. - I get this comment all the time like on my own channel, like people going, oh, you need a bit of cameras or a bit of stuff. I've got the best sound equipment going. I just don't know what to do with it. It's not the equipment, it's the knowledge of, like look at when we did the one way was together, episode two, and Andy used the same camera and the same sound system, are we? And I'm like, how has he made it look like that? Like that looks so good. And he used the same equipment. - Totally do. Just changed one or two settings that are like, we're like, what are they for? - I mean, you're looking a little bit bright today. So what else we'll do is just turn the auto focus and auto bright down a little bit. And- - Yeah, that's it, but myself, yeah. Now that there's asking some sunshine coming through the window, which is weird because I've got like a fleecy top on it. It feels like summer and winter today gets cold, but the sun's out, I can't, I think. - You know what that means. - We're getting close to world championship season. - Oh, we are indeed. I can't think of anybody that's qualified. Anyway, we did that last week. So moving on, rate my off key map, it's launched. - I thoroughly enjoyed it. Not because I was in it, not because it's our concept and our baby are searching, hopefully gonna be the flagship of this channel, but because it was just an easy, enjoyable watch in regards to the increase. And what an increase it was in regard to the production values. - Yeah, I thought you were going to mention that. And that's been mentioned a lot in the comments is, we've had the kind of a few people saying, "Oh, thank God." And the people are saying, "Oh, great effort, guys." You know, people's just saying, "Yeah, well done." The production's way better. It's much easier to watch. You two are the same, but the production's now just so much better. So yeah, that's really good. And it's only gonna keep getting better. 'Cause of course, Andy, the guy who's doing our videography and editing, he's new to this. You know, well, I don't mean he's new to videoing and editing, but he's new to working with us. So artworks and things in each video, I think we'll get a little bit better and different angles. And yeah, I just think that the future's bright now, as is my face from us, I'm trying. What better time to subscribe to the Mission channel? This is the time now of things are gonna be getting much more improved. And do you know what? I know we normally like to leave comments a bit late, but while we're on rate, my hockey, I pulled some comments off. Don't worry, I'll do it early, yeah, go for it. Discuss while we're on topic. Now, full disclosure, as Andy already knows, I hate reading. So when it comes to reading, you have to send me things in bullet points or expect that I'm gonna send it to somebody else who's gonna give me a summary in bullet points. Now, I'm also the same with writing. So although I've got some of the comments off, they're not gonna be word for word like you did last week where you've reeled them off. Are you even said an emoji? You even said it, oh, this emoji, and that emoji. This is gonna be a little bit more summarized. So if I do read your comments-- - Right, same conversion. - Yeah, work for all of those. I don't expect them to read the name out very well. When I was a teacher, I used to get these children to do the register, so. - Okay. - So we've got Jahui, Jahuhu. Hopefully you know who you are. You'll certainly won't know from the comment here. Says, "Hope Harsh Andy ain't so harsh anymore." - Did he write that before he watched it? (laughing) - In episode one, he was-- - No. But I can tell you now, if you don't like Harsh Andy, you're gonna hate series two. 'Cause he gets quite harsh in some of these places. - Well, you know, it was series two, Matt. So for me and my head, everybody had to walk the game. I know that's not really fair on them, but they were all recommended venues for us. So I'm going there expecting 10's in everything, and it wasn't always that way, was it? - No, there was a spew of it. I mean, some of the things are hyper critical that's gonna come up in the series. But do you know what I see by the end of this series? I see a line of t-shirts where we're gonna have, "I'm with Harsh Andy" or "Harsh Andy out." And I reckon if you sold them, you would sell 50/50, like some people would be like, "I'm with Harsh Andy absolutely," and some would be like, "He needs to pack it in." - Yeah, I noticed one comment on the first break, Matt, get it sweet, which I think got 18 or 81. I mean, that's a really good score in my head. Sort of saying, "Oh, yeah, you get too critical. "It's not good for the venues and this, that, really." And well, I remember going in series one somewhere and being critical and harsh about the line. - Spotting right in. - Next minute. Next minute, we get an email. Come back any time, guys. We've saved the advice, we've changed the lighting, we've put all the Mission 270s in, the locals love it. They think it's brilliant. So, it's not that we're trying to be detrimental or play places down, but if they can go, "Do you know what, actually?" Maybe they've got a point. Maybe Andy's got a point. Maybe he wasn't a three, he was a six, but, you know, what can we do about it to make it better? So, hopefully some people are going, "Yeah, okay, you know, "I know we went somewhere where the boards were low." And they, again, contacted us to say, "We've really measured it, you know, that we've got right." So, thanks for that kind of thing. So, we're not going out to overly harm these places. Is it anything? Look, if people are talking about your venue, for whatever reason, that's good advertising. Well, let's not even undersell this, because as a brand, not only do we left them goodies where we've left them new house starts 'cause the house starts aren't good enough. The board weren't very good, so we left them a new board. The lighting were bad, so we left them a light or a surround. And we've left them things to help these venues, which is celebrating the venues. Some of these have even had further help from mission when they've had 12, 14 boards. We've supplied them with equipment for 12 and 14 boards. So, we basically try to make it sustainable for people. We are, and also, look, it's a compliment. If we're coming to your venue to rent it, it's a compliment. We're not walking into the local boozer on the corner that's got one board in a corner somewhere that Uncle Fred plays on at Thursday night hasn't been turned in 20 years. That's not what this series is now. Yeah, well, it never really was anyway, but it's we're going to venues that people are recommending, you know, and there's a reason why they're being recommended. So, we have to be a little bit critical when that's... You say that's not what this is? My job. Or this series, but I've actually wrote down suggestions for future serieses, and I thought maybe I'll be right now, this would be a good time. OK. So, one we spoke about before, which I do get your issue, potentially, is Rate My Hockey Series Super League Edition. What do people do this? Yes. So, with that, we'd need people to set up the venue as if it was a Super League night. Well, how about this one? Rate My Hockey League Edition. Because one thing we don't do, like you say, we don't go to the duck on the pond with the duck or the fire place. Maybe what we need is a new 10-set criteria, and we'll go and look at league venues. Who has the best league night? Yeah, that'd be interesting. Yeah, yeah, there shouldn't be a few fighting for that trophy, because I can think in the past of a couple of places I used to go, where you kind of went, "Ah, what week are we playing the Red Lion?" "Oh, yeah, week six. Oh, I'm not missing that." Because they've got three boards to throw. I love the throw. They've got two practice boards in the other room. You know, the pass is great, and it's great. And they give you a Zanyir afterwards. Yeah, yeah, as opposed to two days old sandwiches. You know, he's like, "Oh, Jesus, no, who's good?" Yeah, yeah, no. You know, it's just reminding me of a place, and I can't think of what it is now, so they've got a very quick story. Middle of nowhere, Thursday night dance leagues, somewhere over York's way, something like that. And at 10 o'clock every night, this pub serves pizzas and kebabs in the pool. So you've had a few drinks, you've been playing darts all night, and you're about to go. You don't need to go and find a, you know, the high street, well, there isn't a high street, it's the middle of nowhere. Pizza's in kebabs, like it was like 4.95 a pizza, 3.95 a kebab, and I thought, "That is genius." So everybody look forward to that week. We went to a rate my hockey in series two, as you're going to find out, to add a Chinese. - In the venue. - Yeah, coming soon. The four Chinese with seats and everything. So, and how about this one, right? You've played county darts before, haven't you? - I have. - So you know, some venues are great. - So the best county, clearly, the lecture. - So, how about rate my hockey? County, stages. - Blimey. - Because we've talked about the stage, we've played on stages. In rate my hockey, we're looking at stages at times. What about doing an actual series on the county stages? What's the lighting light? What's the backboard light? What's the, is it still marker pen? Do they have chalks on stage? - Do you know my husband? - Where's the practice boards? - You know what's coming through here right now? They're all a long distance apart. So we can do one in a day. - See, you're blowing the budget. - You're blowing the budget. Yet again, you're blowing the budget, man. See, Mike, you said, "Do you know what's going through here?" I was thinking, "Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do I was thinking do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do Yeah. Yeah. One of them from Romartino says, great video. You need to visit 25 ball. It's a top set up. Now, the thing with that is we are always open to visit new venues. All these venues we go to our suggestions, get in touch at youtube at missiondarts.com. Let us know where we should go and we'll go. Yeah. As long as I'm planning on our next trip, I mean, we've already started planning on next trip like series three or four potentially. So yeah, that's how far ahead we're planning. We've got lots on the list, but always open to new ones. So yeah. And don't forget, you know, we have mentioned in the past, if you've got an amazing Oki at home, if you build a man cave, let us know that as well. Drop it in youtube at missiondarts.com. Let us know and you never know we might even pay you a visit personally. Well, we've already visited three homes. We will be visiting more. And that is a series that will be coming soon. So you get to see all those amazing man caves and house decorations that people have put in for their dark rooms. Jack Wincott 1066 loves the new series. This is where I've abbreviated it, by the way, because I've just got a new series. Love the tune. Oh, the tune. Great, my Oki song. Yeah, where's that come from? Yeah, our right, Marky song has come from our video guy, and he's some of his friends have got a band and have put it together for us. So I'm gutting. I feel terrible that I don't know the name of the band because we should be giving him a shout out. So maybe we'll do that at a later edition. Unless you're going to go. Anyways, I know you've always been prepared for that possibility. Well, yeah, I wasn't prepared for that question. But yeah, no real big shout out. Thank you very much for that guys. We got our own song. Amazing. What about a matinandi darts Christmas song? Oh, my God. See, you see, there's there was a line that you have to cross, isn't there? You know, like, you know, I can just see us now doing Chaz and Dave, you know. So the snooka loopy, it'd be darts loopy or something. So yeah, I mean, you know, a couple of Sami Gels at one of these right mailkies and you might get me on the karaoke. But yeah, I've seen you on the karaoke. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. We'll skim over. That's really quick. So it does. Let's go over that story really, really quick. We'll save that for another day. Mark Billery, 8923 says loves the series and the improved quality, something we've already touched on. But wow, what a step. Everything from the framing to the no static camera all the time where we had before. The same, the same, using exactly the same mat mics that we used for the whole time. And yet now they sound completely different and it comes out of both channels. And it's just, it's just so relieving to us to be able to concentrate a whole whole stuff instead of that sort of stuff. So laughing because not only does the sound sound better, but if you remember the dead cats that go on the microphones, they were blowing off all the time when we used them. We're like, we can't get them called dead cats. Yeah, that's what you call that actually called those furry things that fit on microphones are called dead cats. Yeah. So, see all the cat lovers are out now going, they're not called that. You see, the problem is, man, I've never even long enough now that I never know whether you're actually winding me up or not. You're just like, you're just oh god, dead cats. I'm never going to forget that now. Anyway, any of those reviews. So I actually looked at his channel is reviewed one thing so far, which was the one pound burger in Blackpong. Okay. So it was about 37 seconds long the video. So but yeah, God reviews. First of all, we need to go to the one pound burger. Absolutely. I don't know how we're going to go to a mission video or whatever, but I'm sure we could find a way. I've again, I've abbreviated this whole two paragraphs into four two word sentences because I don't want to write the whole thing down. Not a fan playing harsh should be celebrating small errors. So just to fill that together for you, what you were saying was, it's not a fan of the series. He thinks it's harsh. We should be celebrating the venues, not pointing out small errors. You've kind. This is the one I think you was talking about where watching the series is not a fun. Oh, I've got a better one than that, right? This one's my favorite. Terry Ali, but I can't watch this series anymore. It's clean harsh and he goes on a bit of a rant. So just to help. I've got an even better way of listening to this, right? I'll say as a way of doing it. So he's got a car wash this series anymore because let's have the other. So he's gone to a video. He doesn't want to watch. He's clicked on a video just to tell us he doesn't want to watch it. That's a cracker, isn't it? It's a really good moment. When you think about it in layman's terms like that, you've gone to a video, you don't want to watch to tell the creator, you don't want to watch it. Just don't watch it. Go in an arrest or ordering food, you know, you don't like that eating it and saying, I don't like it. It's even worse than that. That's like going into a restaurant and like not ordering something like, I don't want to order it. I don't like it. Well, why are you saying it? There was a comedian a few years ago who talked about this. Remember what would happen in the olden days? Like if you were the trampoline or a bouncy castle or something, you wanted to sell it. You'd put an ad in the shop window or you'd put an ad in the local Tesco or something. The comedian did it perfectly. So the social media is you turn up and then you ring up all the ads like, I don't even want the trampoline. Why are you putting the trampoline? Like you don't have to have to. Is there for people that want the trampoline? Not the trampoline. So yeah, I very much thought that was only one. Timo watches everything. He loves the increase in the production and it's good to see the same tandem back, which is myself and you and I dare say the dynamic does, as this series goes on, because we film these all across just over a week and as the week went on and your tiredness went up and your harshness went on. I think there was one venue, wasn't there? That was just it was so good, but it scored so bad. I'll tell you what. I can't wait to see that. That's just going to be. I don't know what episode number it is, but that venue. Well, let's hope Terri Ali doesn't watch that. Like how can you move into a venue that you think is going to be a 10 for everything because you just love it and then it's like a 5 for everything because it just got everything wrong. I don't think you gave it a 5. Oh, man. That's a really good one that's coming out. Anyway, that's enough about right now, because we will go on about it every week because we saw a baby and we love it and we know that you love it. So keep watching it. Make sure you subscribe and you don't miss an episode. Seven p.m. every Wednesday. Thumbs up. Subscribe. Seven p.m. every Wednesday. Right. What I've been doing this week, man. So other than thinking I was moving now, and then I didn't, I found out like 12 hours in advance because it's good like that. So I found myself with a bit of time on my hands, one evening, flicking through YouTube as you do, looking at art stuff, as you do, and ended up watching in its entirety, Phil Taylor versus Mike Gregory. I don't know why. See, now I know you're winding me off. And I nearly bet then. I really nearly did. You paused. Yeah, I thought, oh, I'll just put this on for 10 minutes ended at watching the entire thing. One of those where, even though I knew the result obviously, I still thought Mike was going to win because he just like, and I thought, wow, isn't this just the most, you know, a great advert for YouTube in that somebody that's into darts like me, can just put that on and lose themselves for an hour watching something that's what over 30 years ago, and was just a piece of history. I mean, that was just an amazing game that I'm sure how the Mike one would have changed his life really. And I'm sure he did anyway, but almost like the Delaware effect, you know, Della doesn't beat Bristow. Is his life the same afterwards? I don't think so. Whereas now he just signs Della on the right topic here. Oh, okay. He'd led me to a great topic. And do you know what? From the podcasts I watch, I like the ones that are very thought provoking and get you to think about something and get you to, there's one where they talk about snail chasing you around the world and things like that. It's probably well beyond, you won't lower yourself to that level intelligence. But here's one for you. If you could change, and I'm going to throw this at you, and it's probably going to be the wrong time to do so. No time to prepare for this. If you could change one game, one result in history that could have changed darts as we know it. What results do you think you could change? Let us know in the comment section as well. If you're watching this on YouTube or wherever you're watching it, please do interact. If you could change one game in history of darts that could potentially change everything, what would it be? And for me, I'm going to go with, I don't know which way round to do this. I'm going to go with Kirk Shepard beating John Park. Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah. Wow. I think that would have really changed because we'd had a debutant world champion, a young debutant world champion. Would that have sparked things such as what we're seeing now with Littler? Would that spark that earlier? I think that could be the one result that could have changed things all those years ago. So I'm totally not prepared for this question. And as you know me by now, I was willing to write you that the weirdest stuff comes into my head ever. No way we go. Do you know what? Yeah. And this is actually quite recent. I'm going to say, it's going to say it's within the last three years. And it probably wouldn't have changed. So I'm going totally off topic, but it's just coming at him. Paul Lim at age 60 something missing double 12 on the PDC stage against Gary Anderson for what wouldn't be his second televised nine data 30 years on since his BDO one. I wanted that dark to go in. So I don't think you can meet a more likable guy for him to still be playing that level into his mid 60s. He's incredible. And for just the fact that I remember the first one for him to have done it again, would have just almost had it. You can imagine that's on the front of the newspapers the next day. It's almost like, you know, I'm a golfer, as you know, it's almost like Japanese plus turning up now at eight 70 and winning a tournament. It'd be like, what? Mental that cannot happen. Oh, I've got another one for you, the one that came in my head. Ted Evert beats Fallon Sherrick at the World Championship. Do we have a women's team? Yeah. Do we have women? All of us ran slam. Do we have women's qualifies for the World Championship? Does all that happen if Ted Evert wins that game? We might have a qualifier, but would we have a whole women's series now? So that's a thought provoking one. It is. And I was only talking about this mission of the day about, you know, impacts into darts and blue littler this year, clearly. And Fallon, not last year, year before, clearly a big impact. You see people talking about it. And obviously, so, you know, we've had the ladies. Now we've got the youth, you know, like I say, what's next? What's next? Does does Steve be qualified for the World Championship and winning? You know, I mean, it's like, what other crazy thing could happen in the world of darts that there's another one, isn't they? Christian Kisses isn't injured going into the World Championship. He carries on playing the way he was. He beat the littler in round one. And no one bats an eyelid. Not it doesn't happen. The run doesn't happen. All the extra eyes on the product, all the extra celebrity endorsements, all the travel, all the things that have come off the back of that run from littler doesn't happen. And no one knows any different. Again, that could have changed the face. Yeah, I mean, look, his talent is unquestionable. So I think he still comes through. And it's a bit like we spoke about last week about Van Goerwin. When he burst onto the scene, nine data, wins the Masters, was it or whatever he did? And then, whoa, where's he gone? Where's he gone? He's hanging around 30th in the world, not really doing anything for two or three years. And then, no, no, then boom, the NvG years. So yeah, it's funny, isn't it? There's little things, there's little moments. Andy Cornwall on stage playing John Bowls, the one and only time UK-owned first round. I take out one, two, four on the ball to make it three all. Who knows? I gonna win that game. I end up last 16, last eight, that changes my life. I don't know. And my life was changed because of external factors with regards to that. So now I didn't take it until I was two all anyway. But John Bowls actually won that and did actually have a talk out for a couple of years and did okay. There's always little points, isn't it? There's always little things. By the way, now last leg, it kicks off 180. I've still won two four. I've given it getting, it kicks off with a 180. I'm like, well, thanks. You know, thanks for that. Anyway, but there's always little things, isn't it? I reckon if we thought about this question, if we were prepared, I bet we could, we could find moments. Right, I've got another one. NvG missing double 12 for back to back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Maybe what we need to do with this question is open it out to our viewers and then we'll come back next week a bit more prepared. We'll share some of the ones the viewers have come up with. We'll discuss those and the impact they could have had and then we'll come up with our real big one because it was when you started talking about the UK Open, it really reminded me of my story. The years I nearly gave it all up, 2014. So in 2014, I nearly walked away because of ultimate, ultimate disappointment. So in them days, there was a grand slam qualifier, 256 players, and you played through to a wild card winner. I got to the final, played all day and I lost in the final. So I missed out on the grand slammer darts. A week later with the world championship qualifier, I lost in the final one week, losing two finals, replacing the grand slam and the world championships at that period of time would change my life. Yeah, the ranking money and everything else. I was like, I don't know if I can recover from this mentally because this is... Yeah, it is. It is. And right, while we're on the subject then, let's talk about the Women's Series because where did the last weekend's results come from? What happened to Belle? Nobody's like coming. Fantastic for our girl, Robin Burt. Well done, Mr. Player. What a Women's Series. Delighted for a lovely girl, great player. For Bow, not doing anything all weekend. I think this is a sign of the times. We've spoke about the Women's Series before and Women's Darts before and I think now there's depth emerging in regards to the Women's Games. So before, it used to be just Trina and then we're still in that bank of people like Trina, Dieter, Anastasia. There was Lisa Ashton then comes in for old Eileen de Graf and now we're looking even deeper with younger players. You know, we've got Ruby, we've got Paige Pauling, Gemma Haters come back to the game and he's absolutely flying on in great time at the Super City. Being Steve West, beating Kieran Tean, next tour card holder, beating Richard Rowlands, who's won a senior's event, beating established players. And this is a player that's not been playing Darts again too long, averaging high 80s. Could be someone we're talking about as dethroning Bow temporarily. And so then you've got obviously Bow, Fallon, you know, there's so, so many now that, I mean, when the Women's Series started, it was the Lisa Ashton Fallon show at show who wins it this week. And that was all it was. It was the Lisa and Fallon show. Yeah, it was, it was. And now it's a tour. Now it's a, It is a tour. And yeah, it's getting more interesting to see the results and people are challenging. And yeah, no, very, very interesting. I've got to be honest, I was watching more of the Euro top. Cheesy again? Like, like he wins Euro tours, like we have hot dinners. Is it like five in two years? I think it is or something? I don't know. I spent the week with you, Andy. I think you have a few more hot dinner things than you let me know. But you know, it was a so we talk about events and everybody gets something different out of the event. What stood out for me at that event? Van Dijenbode, back plane, proper darts, got all the injury. We can talk about yours in a sec if you like, because you, I've never had an injury. So I don't know what it's like, but he must have been out for a good 12 months, as I've last seen him and thought, yeah, he looks good. I think he'd be a little, did he be a little? Six two? I think it was? Yeah, he did, didn't he? Yeah. And that's, I'd seen the previous game, and I thought he could be the leatherman. He looks back when he starts hitting that triple 20 mark. He is a big scorer. So I was like, oh, maybe he's finally over his injury. You know, and I don't know, I've never asked you, will you ever get over yours or is he managing it? Is there no way of things? There are ways to get over it. I don't think mentally you ever do. You always feel like you're something wrong. That I think that's the issue. That's why Dirk so strong to be doing what he's doing. The strength he's got is incredible. And when anybody that can come on to that walk on music is going to be strong, haven't they? Oh, you need to be. I've just started a car with him before enough hours, it was torture. So the probably worst car journey in my life went from Germany to Holland, four and a half hours, it was horrific. So unbelievable. It was horrible, horrible. But just goes to show in sport, how much change is so quick, because we're now in September, where when the masters came around at the start of the year, just seven months or so ago, that Ryan Searle played Dirk the dive promoter. And everyone had that down as an absolute walkover for Ryan Searle. It was how much you're going to win by. I do a little bit of work with bookies and tipsters and things like that. And all the tipsters and all the experts and all the data and everyone I work with in that industry was all looking at handicap markets of how much Ryan will win by, not will Ryan win. It was how much will Ryan Searle beat Dirk by? That was the question. And now you look at him and he's a contender again for actually going deep. Yeah. Yeah. What a turnaround. Fantastic. And good to see because I like him. He's entertaining. He's good for the toys. He's entertaining to watch. But while we're on injuries, about Nathan. Nathan, that's been all about to pull out. It was always coming. It was always coming. The problem is, he had an injury and he didn't take the time required. And this is where darts, I don't know how they fix it, but it needs fixing in the sense of you have to turn up, you have to play. And the only thing you're going to do is drop down the rankings if you don't. So if you hurt, you'd go anyway. I did. I was hurt. I was suffering. I was struggling. But I still went because I needed the points to keep my card. And I was always just above the cut off of the card. I never had the luxury of being able to miss anything. So all I did was cause damage that was not able to go. And he was trying to keep in the top of the rankings. And you know, so with that, I think there's, I don't know how you fix it. I'm having enough to work that out because I think it's manipulated. It's in the transition stage, Matt, where darts is booming so much that you look at the tour calendar and it is crazy full. I mean, it's crazy. You know, traveling takes a toll on you. All the flights are sleeping away from her wall. You're playing six, seven, eight hours in a day. And it takes a toll. And yet the tour is so stacked. And funnily it obviously means that people look at it in different ways. And somebody said to me the other day, they were like, why are these players getting injured? Now, when Bristol and low were playing, nobody ever got injured. And they were drinking pints and smoking cigarettes. I'm like, yeah, they're playing four tournaments here. Right now, they're playing 40. It's like, that's the difference. It's not that they're way better now. They're much better now than what they were there. And then what, not everybody, but people started looking after themselves and watching one of the E and the right time, not drinking and blah, blah, blah. But it's the toll of playing every single week. And it doesn't matter what sporty, you know, it doesn't have to be rugby. The fact is, I've been there and that traveling, staying in weird rooms, beds where you're not slightly well than you're up and then you're playing for eight hours. And maybe if they use the food, it's not right. And it's hard. It's hard, Matt. So I don't need to tell you. So God, yeah. I think someone thinks you don't appreciate fully unless you've kind of experienced it as well to know how tricky it actually is. Yeah, I think so. So, um, wish you well, wish Nathan, well, everybody wants to see Nathan back. And hopefully will be in time for there's a lot like you said last week is dark season now. All the big tournaments are coming, you know, so like you say, you won't want to miss those ranking tournaments. He really won. So good luck to him. Um, well, this was one of the weekend. Oh, I went such on the, uh, Noah, Noah Van Loon, is it? Noah Lin Van Loon Van Loon. I think I need, you know, much, much, much better than me. Um, qualified now for the Wilts. Harry Pally, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, I heard there's a, there's been a bit of a stand sort of WDF. Can you touch more or what? What do you know about it? Because I'm not on the tour anymore. So I kind of miss out on all that stuff. It's hard really to like, this goes well beyond my understandings. Like I'm ignorant. Um, you know, something I've not researched, something I don't know too much about. I'm very ignorant to it. Um, I try and read what I can, but I tend to find a lot of what I'm reading is opinion. And yeah, with that, it makes it really helpful for you. No. And there doesn't seem to be, there doesn't seem to be a stance from the international body. You've got the Olympics committees going one minute. It's okay. And it's not. And you've got athletics going one minute. It's okay. The next minute's not. And then you're like, right. Okay. So the dance is the next that's going to come on the scrutiny. Um, and I know that WDF have said, uh, anybody refusing to play, uh, would be, would be disciplined or this, that and the other. And that, that, that let me to, to think, to, to ponder this question, because you're playing on the WDF. So if you draw me in a WDF tournament and you go, actually, you know what? I can't be bothered. I want to go home from a T. Sorry, mate. I'm off. And you pull out and I go, oh, he's, he's given a game. He's, he's had to go. Would you be disciplined? I don't think so. No. So that's my pondering question. You can't, if somebody's pulling out for whatever the reasons, maybe they don't want to play a trans or personal walk, whatever it is, it can't be different. You can't just make different ways to pull out. Oh, it's all right. If you pull out because you've got to go over and see, or it's all right. If you pull out because you misses as wrong, you're going to the house is on fire or it's going to be, I'm sorry if you pull out our games, you're being disciplined. The minute you give it a reason, that's where all these opinions will come. And that's where it will become worse. So I think, like I say, I can freely talk about it because I'm not on that circuit anymore. I know you are. But yeah, I think of just a bit more clarity. Let's have a bit more clarity about what, what you can and you can't do. What are the rules? What, what can you do? What can you do? What are the reasons? Et cetera. So I just wanted to touch on that and then totally change subject, if that's all right. And go with my, it's more as my Andita Matt's question of the week. What happened to young decker? So I know I've just thrown that straight at you. The greatest nickname ever, the coat, actually remembering coming on, wearing a white blazer. I just saw this is brilliant. What an event to win. I'm not saying he was ever going to be a world beater, but he was around playing on TV. A fair amount. You're going to say something now, like he's ever great. Do you remember when Dean Kay had jolly ranchers? No, we used to, we had jolly ranchers, we had nerds, we had Mountain Dew, we had all these things at like American sweets and drinks and things over here. And now we don't do it. We've got to import them separately. What's this going to do with young decker? I thought we were just having random thoughts. That just about sums you right up there. Honestly spending a week away with you, the anchorisms. Do we have to import jolly ranchers now if you want jolly ranchers? So intensely that I was thinking, what is the link between sweets and young decker? But no, you've just totally gone on. So I'll take you from that. You haven't got a clue. I'll tell you what, I had one of my best ever games against young decker and lost. So I played him in Milton Keynes. It was 6'5" on the pro tour. I think I averaged 107 and lost the average under 11. 6'5". First round and then he went lost second round like 82 average. I was like, you kidding me? You should never look, never look. No, you shouldn't. No, so wish you well. Yeah, wherever you are, wherever you do. Maybe he's a gardener now or he's, I don't know, he's playing professional hockey or he's, I don't know, he's joining us. He's telling jolly ranchers. Just imagine, just imagine if we look it up and he's a sweet importer. I mean, you know, sorry guys, that's people listening must think, if you're listening for the first time today and you've just jumped to this section, you're probably wondering what on earth are you two people rambling on about? But it's, it's normal andian map answer this. So, yeah, subscribe because it will be the same next one we can. We need to be behind the scenes cam when we do these trips. Like, I think that's better than the content we make sometimes. Some of the rubbish that comes out. Yeah. So you've had me pondering with, you'd like to throw a question at me every week. So I've got one ready for you this week. All right. So I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you top three. And I want you to give me, and I'm talking PDC by the way. Yeah. So top three players on the PDC that have never won a TV major. So I'm not counting your at all. So it's got to be Max Play World's Grand Prix, Grand Slam, UK Open, players' champs. Yeah. I've got three players in listening to you've got an instant reaction. You always do. That's why we end up in the restaurant, takeaways all the time. Instantly, there's one name that came to our mind and I can see him clearly in my head wearing his yellow shirt, Dave Chishol. Okay, he's on my list. Yeah, he has to be. Ability-wise has to be. So Chizzy hasn't won. Is it current player or any time PDC player? No, any time on the beat, is it? Any time on the beat, is it? I think I'd have to go with Edgar. I thought he had a lot of ability. I didn't say best player never to have got to a TV. Send me. I said to a one. Yeah, I've got a lot of ability. Good looking guy. Very charismatic. You'd have been great for darts if he wouldn't won. You know, but yeah. Yeah. Come on. I reckon we'll take you my second one. You've got Terry Jenkins. Correct. I have got Terry Jenkins. Yeah, I thought you would. Never to want to PDC. There's going to be a curveball in there that we've not thought about. Like, for example, like, we can get really tricky with this and say, well, Martin Adams or a PDC player at one point because he got to the world match place. So you can get really sort of technical with that and I'm sure someone will. They'll be like, oh, well, this player played once there. No draw on the TV major. I think through time. I mean, currently, you've currently. Oh, I've got one. I've got one. Now, I don't think you're going to have gone with this one because normally when you ask this question, what people think is they think elite performers, like Gator's not 100 average all the time have fun. They think of those big hitters. I'm going to go with one now that should be on the list, but I don't think he's Merving King. Wasn't on my list, but a great shout. I had a couple that sort of were, it's a great shout that I went on the list and that was Steve being an Ian White. Okay. Hung around that top echelon for a long time with our Chisien Jenkins for me at the number one and two. I can't think of anybody that should be in the positions better than those two. And then you kind of look at, you know, sort of modern day plays like Joe Colan now thinking he were the masters or doing it pretty quickly. But I don't think we're classing the masters as a TV major just because you can't qualify for it. It's an invitational. So that's like when in the World Series, it's invitational. I've never been a fan of going, oh, a bit more like the Grand Slam used to be. Grand Slam was invitational and was non-wracking, wasn't it? Well, I'm just looking at the list of modern day players. I think, depending how time evolves with this, I think Damon Heter, Ryan Searle, are possibly going to be added to that sort of list of contenders. Big hitters. It's a bit early for them, isn't it? But yeah, longevity is a big part of it for me. Yeah, well, which in that case, Vincent van de Vort is an interesting thought. Been around a long, long time, always a capable guy, but never puts it together. Has he made a major fan? Well, I don't even think I don't think he is. I think he made the UK open, didn't he? I'm sure he made the UK. I'll let you on my laptop to start coming out of there. But again, get in the comments below, guys, and tell us who do you think? We'll give you the third choice. So we'll go with Cheers. It's a three pound goal. It's a three generation piece. Okay, so we'll go with Cheers. If we go with Terry Jenkins, who do you think, getting the comments below is the best player to have never won a BBC TV major? Well, that's not. When you look at it, it is a bit understated because when you hear that straight away, you think now, but when you put it this way, UK Open runner up, world championship, world match clothing, world Grand Prix, European championship, and the Masters with quarterfinals, semi-final of the players championship finals, he's played in all the events. BDO World's quarters was his best. He's won three players championship events, won European Tour, UK Open Qualifies. That's basically a players championship event. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven WDF titles, including European Cup and World Cup pairs. So he's maybe not, we're not looking at someone who should be too far down the list. And I'll give him the best BDO one if you want straight away because it's undisputed. You're going to say Tony O'Shea. Correct. That's it. There you go. So you knew I was thinking, so it has to be Tony, can you? Good job. We haven't got Darryl. There you go. We might have disagreed. Stat speak for themselves. How many finals? I love Darryl. Darryl for me, probably most underrated player because I tell you what, anybody that can at 180 on their little travels that we had him do, is still a great player now. And again, longevity, how long has Darryl been playing? A long time. Long, long time. That's I showed him the other day, a picture of I think when he was in the BDO World's in the '80s, you know, even recognizing. So that was good. Yeah, no, that was good, Matt. And I'm glad that we agreed. We agreed on lots of things on the podcast. Yeah, Tony, it has three data, it's not done yet. Yeah. Just with the off-camera, we don't agree on things. Yeah, so people ask this about golf players and that and that. So we've said, he's, "Tizzy, just one year or two this week, we've talked about already. Best player, not someone at TV, major." So now you're putting your money on the line. Does he win one? Or does he retire having never won one? Because he'll still be, I want to say, late '30s? What's happened to that? Look at that, you've got, yeah, I like the fact you've got access to that. He'd do almost like a, like if we did our research before we did these podcasts. '44. '44. So let's say he's potentially got still the 10 good years or somewhere around that. It seems to be the way. Does he win one? It'd be hard for us to say no. Clearly, I think it's really interesting when this topic comes up and the more I work in punditry, the more this has changed because a lot of the time, people look at past to dictate the future and it's not. We should be looking at the present to dictate the future. The present right now is Dave Trissenall's winning a European tour, which means he's one of the elite players in the world. So of course, he can go on win one. A lot of the time people look at past and go, "Well, his attitude is not going to win one from now and you can't make that judgement because he's still winning and he's still playing competitively at a high level." Now, the reason they say you can't use the past to judge the future is Nathan Aspenall lost his tour card without qualifying for any major event. He went on the challenge tour for a year. Now, if you would have asked me, the year Nathan Aspenall was on the challenge tour, do you think Nathan Aspenall is going to win a TV major? You'd turn around and go, "No, he's just lost his tour cards on the challenge tour now." And within two years, he was the UK Open champion in playing the Premier League. When Littler lost at the Super Series to Sebastian Bieletsky, I covered the game and he broke his run of wins. If someone was to say, in two months time, he's going to play in the World Championship final, you'd say, "Ah, no chance." So, it's so, so hard to predict the future. So, what we need to do is look at guidance. What can we see right now? And right now, what we can see is Dave Trisson is still very competitive at the Elite around the trophy and the winner's enclosure. So, can he win one? Yes, absolutely he can. Do I think he will? I don't. But... Do you know what? I think he's best betters. Grandslam. I've known Dave a long time. Dave's capable of 100 averages, but he's also capable of 80. Grandslam, you can lose a game. You can still win it. That to me is the one. Or, I was going to say players, players' champs, the Nicholson one back in the day. That's your other good bet, I think. I think once you get into, and it's probably a silly thing to say, because Chizzy's made them. No, he's made well final, but he's made well Sami's. That's a long format. I think shorter format suits Chizzy. Hence, Eurotors. Best of 11 all the way through. Bang. There you go, Don. Taking the trophy out. Five in the last two years. So, shorter format, or the ability to chuck in a ropey game, but still winning. So, Grandslam. That's my tip. Getting money on. Dave Trisson off of this year's Grandslam. Interesting you say that, because I'm looking at Dave Trisson's best results. I mean, you'd think I was a pundit with a great database or something, wouldn't you, in front of me? But yeah, so I've got access to all data, best runs, everything like that. Now, I'm looking at Dave Trisson's best TV performances, and he's worst. His best TV performances have come in the Grandslam, runner up, have come in the players' championship final, runner up, the masters, runner up, all short format sort of styles. The UK Open, again, short format, quick hit games, on, off, on, off sort of style. Where we struggled the most, and this might be where you're on to something, is the world match plays only ever reached the quarter final stage in the amount of times that he's had, and that's long format games. So, yeah, I think maybe if he's going to win one, you might be on to something in regards to that short format. Watch the specs, who knows? This year's Grandslam, you never know, it's coming up, it's not long, it's in form. I mean, to be sure, I just tell you the players' championship finals, myself, and I think I went like two-nil up, and then I'm like, come on, yeah, it was only race to six, I'm all right, I think it was six-two, so. Talking to the World Series, it's coming up, Wessel's qualified, who we spoke about on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, Wessel Neiman permission has qualified for the World Series finals, I've been interested in to see. I'm looking forward to getting them on the telly. Yeah, different. I feel you look there, obviously I know you haven't felt it, you know, so, but just once, just once, it's a different feeling. You feel heavy. It's weird, it's weird way to describe it. 90 more, for you. You're wasting away these days, mate. It's looming down a bit, it's looming down. Tony. You're doing well, you're getting ready, like Siad, I'll be coming soon, you'll be ready. Anyway, then I started the podcast, so we're like 15 minutes now, we're an hour. Are we really? No, it took us another minute. 51 seconds. Anything else you wanted to talk about, other than I'm wearing the fact my headphones have stayed in the entire time, I've used my microphone. 58 minutes are used enough for one week. Is that enough? We'll be back next week with episode six. Thanks everybody again for watching, all listening, whatever you're doing, hit the subscribe and we'll be back next week with more Matt Edgar, Edgar Isms, that's the one. I might even bring you a jolly wanker. See you later. [BLANK_AUDIO]