(upbeat music) - You're listening to The Parding Shot with H. Allen Scott. (upbeat music) - It is Friday, September 13th, 2024. After Donald Trump basically told everyone to hide their dogs and cats, Taylor Swift decided it was time for her to claim her status as the childless cat lady and endorse Kamala Harris. Just look what you made her do, Donald. Look what you made her do. Also, we've got a new trailer for the Trump biopic, The Apprentice, and now we know why Donald Trump does not want you to see this movie. And finally, we have the Emmys to look forward to this Sunday, to break it all down and make sense of it because I'm going insane. I'm joined today by one of my favorite entertainment writers and one of my favorite friends, Cameron Sheets. Hello, Cameron, how are you feeling? - Well, I am feeling great after that intro. Thank you, that was lovely. But I'm also sort of like head spinning from this, somehow just a week. Like it feels so much longer, so much has happened. - And it's not over yet. It's not over yet. It is, I mean, like there's so much more to happen. So, okay, let's get started. So Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift dropped the childless cat lady bomb, you know, and we're all picking up the kitty litter now after the impact of her endorsing Kamala Harris. I mean, I can go all day. I can literally do this all day. - For you. - There was like, I mean, it's, I, what, as entertainment people, it was surprising how much of a, I mean, it was like CNN breaking news that Taylor Swift endorsed Kamala Harris. What do you make of the impact of Taylor Swift endorsing Kamala Harris? - Yeah, it's, it is the result of, I think just really thought out, well-timed PR strategy in a lot of ways. I think these days we tend to talk about tree pain, Taylor's publicist almost as much as we talk about Taylor because, you know, the understanding, even though we don't really know much about tree, the understanding is that she has got this unlocked and she's, she's perfectly in control of Taylor's image now. I think things were starting to spiral out of control in the lead up to this announcement. Taylor at the football game with Brittany, Brittany, my homes after Brittany's statement sort of in support of Trump, people were like, she needs to say something. This is starting to look bad. And we were seeing the Swifties go at one another in a way. You know, I just don't think we've seen that happen in that way ever, perhaps. It was concerning. So purely on that level, on like the trajectory of Swiftie culture fandom, this needed to happen and it needed to happen ASAP. But then on the political level, I mean, the timing was so intentional right after the debate, after everything that was said. I think what's interesting is that on one end of things, this did become the narrative after the debate that Taylor endorsed Kamala. This is what everyone was talking about online. On the other end of things, I think it was really smart in the sense that if this were to just happen on a random day of the week and not after the debate, this would have been the one thing that Fox News was talking about and tearing Taylor apart. That certainly is happening and we're seeing a lot of criticism come from that sector of media. But I think it was a little bit diffused because there was so much debate talked to be had. And I think that that was part of the strategy. - Well, and that's the interesting thing. So you bring up the response, the conservative response and I did a video for Newsweek and I was so obsessed with the comment section of the Joseph because it got me thinking. So yes, the left went crazy. The Swifties, well, most of the Swifties, I assume, went crazy. Let's just say the Swifties went crazy for her endorsement of Kamala Harris. Their mother's probably not. And so there might be some fights at dinner tables happening right now. But what surprises me is, so we did this, I did this video and I'm looking at the comments right now and since when did Childless Cat Lady consider a desirable goal, get your head broken and write a song for 13 year old girls. This isn't your fight. Like these are the kind of comments that people are leaving. They're very angry that we care at all what Taylor Swift has to say. And it makes me wonder, would they feel differently if she endorsed Trump? What would the response be? - Yes. - Would they be as angry as the, how many comments, as the a couple hundred comments that are on just that post? And that does not even bringing up my DMs which are all over the place from people angry at me for not knowing enough Swift songs to people loving that I posted it, to people hating me that I posted it. So like, it's wild to me the response and how visceral people are with Taylor Swift specifically. Why do you think that is? - She's just that powerful. I mean, it is just, you can't even, there's not even really words to what these like past two years in the Aristotle and whatever have made her into. Like, there's not really a lot of comparison. You know, in our lifetimes, you know, I think maybe we could look to Beto Mania but in terms of just her, people hanging by every single word, she says, you know, no one is at that level. Regardless of how you feel about her music, it's just this like, this, she's on another level right now. - Well, and the response, the data, I mean, that that's the thing that we can say these things. We as entertainment reporters can just say like, she's having an impact and blah, blah, and we can talk about the economic impact of her concerts going to a small city or whatever it is. Like we can talk about those things. But in this instance, there was an uptick in people visiting a register to vote website that she advocated for them to go to and of them registering to vote. And that is a certifiable cause and effect of an endorsement that is literally what we want to see as I would say citizens, you know? - Yeah. - It shows that she does have an impact, you know? - I wondered if you've noticed this too. I mean, this is a loose observation but I also feel like sort of in the wake of Taylor and Doris and Kamala, it has opened the door for other celebrities who even if we probably already knew where they stood and maybe they've already openly talked about it, I've seen a number of tweets. There was like Mark Hamill tweeted something and then Leah Thompson quote tweeted it, but just random, you know, not random, but celebrities being like, yes, I endorse Kamala too. I think, again, I think we already knew that, but it sort of blew some doors open in that sense. And, but yeah, of course, we're seeing these direct impacts of-- - Yes, for every word. - And listen, elections are close right now. I mean, Hillary Clinton knows all too well that a couple hundred votes in Michigan can really screw you up. - Sorry. - Well, was it, was that a Taylor reference? - All too well. - Oh, I don't even know. I'm making Taylor references at this point. - Oh, you knew, you knew. - I did not know, I literally did not know. I was saying to, I think my boyfriend the other day, I have no, I think I know shake it off. I know shake it off. That's a real, oh, and look what you made me do only because I say that often just like casually around the apartment. Look what you made me do to like a sponge. - Yeah. (laughing) - But like what I do love that you're bringing up, like it's giving allowance to other celebrities like Mark Hamill. And I wanna know, I wanna know the guy in Nebraska who is changing his vote from Trump to Harris because of Mark Hamill. He's CSI, right? - Mark Hamill? No, that's Mark, Mark Hamill is a Skywalker. - Oh. - It's far worse. - See, again, so... - Still, I guess Mark Hamill, he might have an impact. - I was gonna say, I think he does have some sway. I mean, I still think of how my own dad reacted to the storyline in "The Last Jedi" with Luke Skywalker. - Wow. - There are a lot of emotions there, so. - Okay, okay, listen, Star Wars people don't come from me. I also don't know Star Wars, so don't come from me there. I'm a horrible entertainment reporter. So let's move on to other news hat that happened this week, which was the release of the trailer for the new Trump film, "The Apprentice," starring Sebastian Stan and Emmy winner Jeremy Strong. Sebastian plays Trump and Jeremy Strong plays Roy Cohn. I have a little bit of a clip of the trailer to play right quick, so let me play that. (buzzer) - Yes. - Hello, this is Donald Trump from Mr. Cohn. Thank you so much. - Donald, who? - Roy Cohn, nice to meet you. - Do you Roy Cohn from all the papers? - Yeah, you're brutal. - Guilty is charged. (laughing) - Roy Cohn is a crook. He's better died at three times. - I'm gonna let you in a little secret. - The people they hire me because I'm a winner. - How do you win? - The first rule is the simplest, attack, attack, attack. - It's gonna be the finest building in the country. In the world, it's gonna be spectacular. - Rule two, admit nothing, deny everything. - I don't know what's wrong with you. - Do you think you can beat the US government? - Rule three, no matter what happens, you claim victory and never admit defeat. I record everything in case I need it. - Well, silly. - You have to be willing to do anything to anyone to win. - So, okay, this film, this film, my good friend Cameron, my very friend Cameron, is one of the things that the one of the reasons why Donald Trump does not want people to see this film is because as the trailer very clearly shows, it shows Trump in the early days of his career and his marriage to Ivana Trump. It brings up the sexual assault allegation that I believe she made in the divorce filings that was later recanted by her, but that's there. And other situations that are not so appealing to the Trump campaign, they have threatened, the Trump campaign has threatened to sue the filmmakers for this film, the director, Ali Abbasi. I hope I'm saying his name correctly, responds to that threat of a lawsuit. He said, "Everybody talks about him suing a lot of people. "They don't talk about his success rate though, you know?" So, I wanna know what, which is a very potent fact, I think, as well. What do you think about this film coming out just a couple of weeks before election day? And what do you think of the film in general? Are you excited to see it? - Yeah, I mean, first of all, you wanna talk about strategic timing. The fact that this trailer dropped on the internet hours before the debate is extremely intentional, the fact that we're getting it in theaters a month before the election is extremely intentional. You know, there's the cynical side of me that it's like, well, of course, like that's so, so savvy, I guess, of the film's distributors. Briar Cliff Entertainment, by the way, not necessarily a big distributor. There are a lot of bigger studio or distributor names that could have jumped onto this film out of Cannes and made it a big deal, but perhaps they were a little afraid of how things would go. So, it's kind of cool to see this smaller entity really throw their weight behind the movie. I mean, and I'm excited about it. I'm probably more tickled that it exists than I am necessarily, like, excited to see this. And I say that as a fan of Ally, Abbasi's previous film, "Holy Spider," I thought was this really, really thoughtful, intelligent, sort of thriller, sort of narrative. But anyway, I think, you know, watching this trailer, I'm like, yes, I very much see what we're doing here. And I think it's probably very, very valid, but I'm also like, that's not necessarily something that I need to myself sit through. - Yeah, I think I'm very cognizant, this is crazy. - I mean, this film, I will say, is catnip for someone like me, who has a, I mean, I'm obsessed with presidential history. I have a whole background, like in all that. So, like, I used to work in politics. So, like, I'm definitely, this is a film that is definitely up my alley, but I also am like, I mean, see that I'm so, it's coming out, yes, before election, but it's also intentionally coming out for award season consideration, which the fact that somebody playing Donald Trump and that we've had people, you know, there have been great actors who have done, there was a HBO film a couple of years back that showed Donald Trump about sort of the legal handling between his fight between with the Department of Justice and Trump. And I forget the actor who played him in that film, but he was incredible. And so, there have been portrayals of Donald Trump that have been very, very good. I'm even thinking in "Funny or Die", I think Johnny Depp played Trump, if I'm remembering correctly, and it was actually surprisingly good. Like, surprisingly good. But I don't know if I want to see an actor be nominated for an Oscar for playing Donald Trump. I don't know how I feel about that. And so, the awards consideration campaign that it has, what do you think? What do you think about it? - Yeah, it's interesting. The HBO feature series, now I forget that you're referring to, that was Brendan Gleason who played Trump there, and Brendan is a phenomenal actor. And I think, Brendan, that's an interesting thing to bring up or Johnny Depp. Those are folks that, in my mind, this performance is a little bit drawing, those were drawing a bit more on like the projection, the myth of Donald Trump, the caricatures that we sort of see within pop culture. I think what Sebastian Stan seems to be doing is not necessarily like a direct, this is not necessarily gonna watch this and think like, whoa, he is eerily like Donald Trump, like he's trying to show a different side of him. And you know, my understanding, of course, is this film is largely about how his relationship with Roy Cohn made him into the Trump, we all know and love today. - Fascinating relationship. I mean, the Fett, Roy Cohn, we're talking Ethel Rosenberg, and like he goes back Studio 54, like, I mean, the Kennedy days of sort of the Red Scare and all of these things, like Roy Cohn's impact on 20th century American history is wild, and the fact that in his dying days, as he was dying of complications related to his aid status, which he hid when he died and covered it up and it was revealed later, that in his dying days, he was shaping a young Donald Trump and teaching a young Donald Trump how to control narrative, how to have this persona that we very much saw Trump become, the manifestation of Trump, you just have to look to Roy Cohn. And that to me, as a history nerd, is actually very fascinating and exciting. If you take politics out of it, him as a historical figure, which Trump, I hate to, for all the people who hate Trump, I hate to tell you this, but he is a massive historical figure and he will continue to be for hundreds of years, probably. And the origins of that beginning is fascinating to me. You know? - No, definitely. I mean, I noted in my work at Queerty just how much Roy Cohn's story has like, bled, weird choice of worth, but bled into just pop culture and media. Obviously, Angels in America being an example of that, a phenomenal example of that. But most recently, Roy's a character in fellow travelers. It's just kind of wild to see the insidious ways his power has had influence on our culture over the years. But you had mentioned, you know, awards potential and certainly that is a lingering possibility here. I know from kind of following and reading reviews out of Ken, there seemed to be a lot of respect for what, when it premiered earlier this year, there seemed to be a lot of respect for what Sebastian Stan and especially Jeremy Strong do in the role, you know, play these real life monsters without making them caricatures. But it didn't really seem like people were willing to really get behind it and say like, "This is an awards worthy performance." And so, I don't know, are these distributors that did eventually pick this one up? Were they reading those tea leaves and saying, "Maybe we just kind of focus on getting this out now and continuing to poke at it Trump." And yeah, and make the money, right, exactly. The awards thing is maybe going to be less of a conversation. Again, to get specific with it, like this is a smaller distributor and they really don't have my understanding, the internal apparatus to like, wish this is a big award to play later. - Yeah, the only thing, the only person out of it that I think could be even considered for anything would be Jeremy Strong. And he, just because of his status right now and his status as a lauded actor at the moment, this is a performance that I think would stand out in terms of what he's been doing recently. Well, you brought up fellow travelers and that gets me a nice segue into the last thing I want to talk with you about today, which is the Emmys. The Emmys are on this Sunday, if you're listening on today, Friday, the September 13th. And it's lots of things going on at the Emmys, what I'm looking forward to. And of course, we're gonna talk about the nominations and we're gonna talk about sort of who we think we're gonna win, but in general, something that I've seen in a lot of festivals and a lot of award shows recently is that there have been a lot of political speeches in response to awards. And there have been a lot of people responding politically, be it because of the election, be it because of the situation in Israel and Gaza, be it because of everything going on. So I wanna know, what do you think the tone going into? We just got off this debate. We're a very polarized nation at the moment, both in terms of foreign politics and domestic politics. Do you expect a lot of politics to be spoken about on Sunday night? - I would say yes and no. I don't imagine we're going to get anything as specific or as heated as we got. Say like when Jonathan Glaser kind of stood up for Palestine in his speech, accepting a word for - At the Oscars. - At the Oscars, yeah. - Yes, at the Oscars, but the title of his film. You know, I don't imagine we're gonna get anything that's specific, but I think there's potential for a lot of broader statements made, especially in terms of the upcoming election. There's a lot of possibility for queer winners in some of these categories too. And I think just by nature of being themselves, that is going to feel a little bit charged, especially if they're, you know, even just saying anything broadly about representing the queer community. So I don't know. I mean, I'm anticipating some really exciting speeches, but I don't know if this will be the venue to get anything to. - Yeah, I agree. I have a feeling, I mean, if any form of the entertainment industry understands the need for advertising dollars, it is television people. And I have a feeling they know, don't anger the bottom dollar. And so I feel like it's probably gonna be a little apolitical is my anticipation of what's gonna happen. Oscars, those movie stars will say anything. They'll do anything. But the TV stars, they know that Colgate pays. So I want to know, going into this Sunday nights, sort of show the big lead, the big people, the big expected winners, obviously is the FX series. I'm pronouncing it correctly. Shoken, shoken, yeah. And it picked up 14 awards at the Creative Arts Emmy. So that clearly is gonna be a big standout in the drama categories. But also the bear in the comedy categories and baby reindeer, I also think, are big, big anticipated winners come Sunday night. I want to start things off by asking you, do you think the bear should be in the comedy categories? (laughing) - Oh, do I think, well, you know, 'cause there's my opinion matter, I- - It does to me. (laughing) - Honestly, if it were my decision, I would say no. I think it's a fairly arbitrary thing that because it's a 30 minute episode, most of the time we're putting it in the comedy category. But you specifically looked at the episode that is getting nominated and it's likely to win say best writing, best directing. Yeah, it's the flashback episode, the family dinner, the fish, the seven fishes, that is a really, really, really tough watch. And it is just wild to think that we're going to have, you know, if that is in this Imagine Hall of winners, that episode up against an episode of For Asia, it's like these are completely different things. - Wild, I mean, yeah, that's the surprising thing. And it, to me, it sort of reminds me of, you know, when they made a rule, the television academy made a rule during Orange is the New Milaxes run, 'cause Orange is the Black was an hour long series, but it was a comedy series, but it became disqualified in the comedy category because they made it a requirement for comedy shows to be 30 minutes. And so that is, that is literally the only reason why the bear is in the comedy categories is because of this arbitrary rule that you're talking about, that the academy sets. I would hope that considering the sort of ethereal nature of television and sort of the tone of how we view comedy and dramas these days and the dramaties that are out there, which I recently spoke with Terry Crews and he has pissed at these dramaties, but like, which I get, I get, I get. I think a lot of actors are like comedy drama enough, enough with these like dramaties, which I'm kind of in that boat too, but like the sort of getting rid of that arbitrary like 30 minute rule, I feel like could really shake up the categories. I think it could screw a lot of things up, don't you? - Oh, absolutely. I would love to see what happens then. I mean, I don't know how you qualify it. Otherwise, I think they only did that because it was the simplest, cleanest way. They have like no excuse otherwise to have, but how do you do it? - I feel like you let them self-identify. You know what I mean? Like let the bear producers, 'cause you can submit whatever episode you want. So like, submit it into the category you want. I mean, obviously don't put the bear in like, you know, reality television, but like, you know what I'm saying? Like pick a category, but at the same-- - I mean, that's, yeah, I think that's a good point. Although then you run into the same sort of, I guess, issue that something like the Golden Globes will get where the Martian is running in comedy. Then it just does purely become a strategic awards play where you see people positioning themselves certain ways because they're more likely to win this. - Yes, of those-- - Yes, shady, shady. Well, let's talk about some of the categories. Let's start in the comedy category because that's what we're talking about. So who, besides the bear, I think to me, the most fascinating category of this list of categories, and I think the bear will dominate most of them with the exception of best actress. And that is a fascinating thing because you have, of course, Jean Smart, who won years ago for Hacks, has won multiple times, I believe, for Hacks. And then there was a long break in between the seasons, which allowed Quinta Brunson to win for Abbott Elementary. But now we have a switcheroo with the bear. So it's sort of like these three women are like competing against each other. What do you make of it? - Yeah, I mean, it's exciting. We, as gays, tend to always be drawn to the actress categories as it is. So it's just like, oh my God, embarrassment of riches, where I stand all of these women. And yeah, it's exciting to-- I mean, it adds a lot of unpredictability to the night. I mean, right, we were talking about certain show sweeping things. Right, this is, I think, a very clear path to victory for Hacks, specifically for Jean Smart. We can also talk about Hannah Einbinder. I think she's really making a good case for the win. - That last episode. - But I think is gonna seal the deal for her. I mean, when she turned into the monster in the room, oh my God. (laughing) - Yeah, absolutely. But right, Jean's got her work cut out for her. She has really stiff competition, particularly among Quinta, who, you know, a vote for her Quinta in Abbott is like, people, there's so much good will towards that show. - Yeah, I owe to from the bear. - It's hard. Oh, well, yeah, I was gonna, I was gonna get to I owe it every day. I mean, she's the people's princess, my God. Like that win for supporting the most recent Emmys, which was earlier this year, which is so funny, was so deserved and really felt like this crowning moment. If anything, that's what works against her in my mind. Despite there still being so much love for her in the bear, it's almost just like, we just did this. We just gave her an award. I mean, no one gives a speech like her. I would love to see her on that stage again, but I think that if anything, that's where you start to see Jean Smart's path to winning. - Yeah, I agree. I think both Jean and Hannah are gonna be the standouts in these categories, and then the bear is gonna win everything else. Well, let's move on to drama series. So drama series, again, it's sort of similar to the bear in that Shogun is going to dominate the drama categories in both best drama, most likely, in my opinion, best actor in a drama series, best actress certainly in a drama series. But it's the supporting categories that we might get some shake up in terms of who is going to win. So I wanted to get your take on, let me, let's just because we are homosexuals, let's just start with the women. And in my opinion, I think even though I am a recent fan of The Gilded Age, and I am a forever Christine Baranski stand, and also I will love Everyone on the Morning Show because it is my bad TV show, Guilty Pleasure. I think that Elizabeth DeBecce from The Crown is unbeatable, what do you think? - Yeah, that seems to be the case. I mean, that show has sort of, I mean, it's had an interesting journey. At this point, it has become this awards dominating force, even if it feels like the culture, at least as we see it, perceive it online, is not talking about to the same degree. But it's, you know, it's classic awards bait, and that is this stately, gorgeous drama, incredible people playing folks that we're familiar with, you know, from living history even. And yeah, Elizabeth DeBecce is just, is really, really wonderful as the Lady Di, and obviously this season being the sort of culmination of that, of her story within The Crown, it's like, yeah, and her The Crown basically is gonna happen. - Yeah, and then for Best Supporting Actor, again, it's a situation of, I feel like Shogun and The Morning Show are just gonna cancel each other out, and, but yet, I can see Billy Crude up getting in there, and I have to say, I interviewed Billy Crude up. I was, I went into the interview thinking I would not like it, and I was not gonna have a fun interview with him. I'm gonna admit that right now, because I didn't think we'd have anything in common. And then he just, he gave me the dad energy that I needed, and I wanted to leave, just, I just felt like, oh, Billy, hold me, just hold me. Tell me how to change a tire. That's what I wanted Billy to do. So I think Billy could sneak in there and make that happen. What do you think? - Yeah, I mean, this one is definitely one of the true toss-ups I think of the evening. In my mind, from where I've been just kind of ingesting, it feels like it is very much between Billy and Todd and Nobu, a son of from Shogun, right. It's just a matter of, is Shogun gonna truly dominate all of these categories, which would be like, so, so incredible to see. I think that show is so worthy. Or, right, well, are there people that vote more like, well, I showed that show some love here. So I'm gonna vote for Billy here, or something else here. It's hard to predict, as a mouse, a body of people, what, how they're going to vote, but it's gotta be between those two. And right now, just given the love we've seen and the creative categories for Shogun, I'm like, that it might just truly sweep. So, that could be it. - Now, the limited series category, I'm gonna tell you this right now. Matt Bomer, Matt Bomer is my DM buddy, and I will stand Matt Bomer forever. I will show up for Matt Bomer. I will fight for Matt Bomer. But, when Baby Rain Deer came out, I was definitely like, if you fucking steal Matt Bomer's Emmy. If you even, I'm sorry, I had to get crude. I had to get crude. If Baby Rain Deer comes from my Baby Mo Bomer, I don't know, I don't know what's happening. And so now, I'm concerned, I have doubt. I'm Meryl Streep in the movie. I have doubt about fellow travelers dominating the Emmys on Sunday, where do you stand? And do you think it's a fight between either Fargo, Baby Rain Deer, or fellow travelers? Who will come out on top? - I think as a whole, we're certainly going to see Baby Rain Deer come out on top. I mean, that is just a sort of word of mouth phenomenon unlike we've seen. I mean, that, I don't think that that was released on Netflix when it was with the intention of it becoming this awards player. But it just caught hold at truly the exact right time and then it just snowballed in this phenomenal way. And when we talk about actor, particularly like, I mean, that is such a personal story. Richard Gadd is in nearly every frame. He wrote it, you know, this is his baby. But at the same time, as I've been wondering in other categories too, I'm like, well, because we're showing this show love, you know, likely in writing and just in limited series. Well, and Jessica too. - Well, people, I mean, she's going to win but she's going to win after 1,000%. If anyone takes that from her, I will get into my Kia Nero. I will drive to the ceremony and I will say, no, you need to take that award and give that to her, honey. Thank you. - Yeah, I would agree, although if now of a now one, you know, also for Baby Rain Deer, that would be such an incredible moment. - It would be incredible, but I could not argue in that. - She would be like, Jessica, take this award. - Right, right, right. - Yeah, Jessica's speech is going to be something to watch. I think that it was so excited for what that's going to be. But yeah, I mean, I think it's just a matter of whether or not folks feel like, well, we showered Baby Rain Deer with enough praise elsewhere. And in Richard Dad, specifically with enough praise elsewhere is the love for someone like Matt Omer and the excitement for his, what I would say, overdue breakthrough moment in this type of conversation worthwhile is Andrew Scalda challenger. I mean, I think that that series was not the Netflix hit that maybe somewhat of like, but it's definitely the like critics' choice in a lot of ways. I think that is a really well-respected series. And obviously he's instrumental to a success. - Ever Jonathan Bailey for best supporting, I think out of all of them, Jonathan Bailey is probably the most likely to win. And I feel like people will vote for Jonathan Bailey just because they want to see him smile. - I, yeah, we do, he's going to be so charming on that stage. I, oh my God, I'm so excited already. And like, it's basically like, you know, where this is this crowning star moment for him. I keep thinking about the fact that he's about to be in this Jurassic Park movie. And whether or not he's playing gay in that, it almost doesn't matter. It just is like, oh my God, will you have this true A-list gay star right now? - Yeah, I know. - While speaking of A-list gay star, another one who's going to likely win in the limited series category is best actress, Jody Foster, she will finally claim her, I believe her first Emmy for True Detective. And she's another one that I've interviewed many, many times whom I love very much, and I will be very angry if she loses. But that category, oh my God, Brie Larson, Juno Temple, Sophia Vagara, Naomi Watts, I mean, Briele Crudup's wife. Like, they could hug me together. Like that category is just stacked. - Yeah, it's, again, we love, we as gay men, we are. - We are, we are. - We are, we are. - To be. - Yeah, we can't hope, but no, I know. This is just one of those ones where it's like, oh my God, I mean, I think Juno Temple is phenomenal. - She's incredible. - And like, in terms of like a performance where someone just completely takes you by surprise and shows you a different side of them, like that is, that is probably my personal favorite of the bunch, but I mean, Jody Foster. - Jody Foster. - That season of True Detective Night Country works because of her. - All you need to say is Jody Foster. - I shouldn't just say it, but. - Jody Foster, here it is. There's nothing anyone needs to say. Do you need to say more? Give her an Emmy. I mean, and she's Jamie Lee Crudus' best friend. Another DM buddy, I love her, okay. - Well, and you want to talk about speeches, like, you know, Jody's gonna bring it. - I don't know about that, actually. - We've, I mean, we know, I think we all saw the Golden Globes. We know Jody Foster's speeches are not necessarily the best things in the world. Love her, but I don't know if she necessarily gives the best speeches. - That's true. - Thank you. - You know, I think in my memory, I'm like, even when she doesn't deliver what I want, I'm still like, you know what? - Yeah, exactly. You know? - I think my memory's-- - You're still now to me, honey, love you. You can pay in a win. So I want to end this Emmy's conversation with one of my favorite battles of the year, because as also gay homosexuals, we do enjoy a nice drama. And there is a drama brewing between the traders and RuPaul's Drag Race. Now, Alan coming dethroned Queen RuPaul from her eight-year streak as winning best host of a reality competition series. And on Sunday night, we will find out if RuPaul's Drag Race. Now, RuPaul's Drag Race has lost reality competition series I think once before in the last like eight years to Lizzo's reality show she had a couple years ago, but for the most part, it's dominated. Ever since the show started winning the Emmy's, do you think they will win on Sunday or will traders say, "I am the murderer?" (laughing) - You know, my gut says that Drag Race is going to blend this one. - Oh. - I think like, yeah, I think so. I mean, I think that the traders win for Alan. I mean, I love the traders and that win is so deserving, that I just can't help but think like, think about Lizzo's show winning and Drag Race continuing to win. You know, if people are just watching a single episode of this to vote, they're probably going to get within that episode, especially a Drag Race. And I know that Lizzo's series was the same thing. A little bit of a narrative that is uplifting, that is saying something impactful, that is really moving people. I think if you're watching just the one-off episode of traders, you are going to be entertained. Don't get me wrong. But it doesn't necessarily feel as important of television as an episode of Drag Race, right? Just, you know, without any other context. And so I kind of think that people are going to vote with their heart in a lot of ways in that sense. - I hear you. I usually hate Kumbaya shit, but I do hear you. I hear you. Part of me. - I think I agree. (laughing) - Yes, no, I get you. I think, I think, and this is just, you know, pure numbers here, I think when a show wins best casting, which traders did, and best host, that's basically already best reality competition series, those two awards put together. I mean, 'cause that is the show. That is the show. The host and the casting of the show is what makes the show. And of course, the talent, too. I mean, Phaedra Parks deserves an Emmy just for existing in the world. Like, I mean, for that season. She was, man, and I won, I won, yeah, exactly. Give her an e-gut just 'cause. I want the traders to win only because I wanna see Carolyn from Survivor's reaction on Instagram because she's on the next season, and I wanna see her go crazy when it wins, 'cause then she's gonna realize she's gonna be at the Emmys next year, too. And she's another person that I can text, and I will text her to do that, exactly that, 'cause I will be like, we're gonna make your Emmys dress, my boyfriend will, but I hear you in that it will be a shock if Drag Race does not win. Best reality competition series. For me, it's so a staple of television and of our social conversation that, to me, it would be a real guru for traders to actually win. So I guess we'll see, right? We'll see, we'll see. We'll see. Well, Cameron. - It's very exciting. - I end every single week asking my guests these essential questions for the week to help sort of wrap up this week and maybe get ready for next week. So I'm gonna ask you now, what or who pissed you off this week? - I will say I'm a bit pissed off with Saturday Night Live, or as we learned, letting go of Kobe Trost, who was a new cast member of the last season. I think a clear, clear breakout from her very first sketch where she was playing up like little Orphan Annie Trost with some delightful dark twists to it. I just am sort of shocked to see her not return given what a winning first season she had. I know SNL is probably making a lot of bring for its big 50th season plans, but you know, she's just one of those people I think we're gonna look back on in years to come and be like, oh my God, remember she was on SNL? Like this incredible comedy star? She was on the show for one season, much like Jennie Slate, or even Michaela Watkins, these people whose careers have blossomed in their own, right? So did you watch anything good this week? - I did. Over the last weekend, I really enjoyed Rebel Ridge, Jeremy Sonier is like sort of legal thriller that showed up on Netflix. I would have loved to have seen that in a theater, but man, is it like a gripping, a little bit slower than I thought it was going to be, but I was booked every step of the way. I thought that I just thought it was really, really smartly down there and here who's the lead is that is, that's a beautiful, beautiful man and a star right there. - Goodling. What's one new story from this week? You cannot get out of your head. - You know, for me, I wonder if it's similar for you, but I'm obsessed with Patti LePone always, period, but Patti LePone and Aubrey Plaza going on the Hot Ones versus video. - And Patti, the way she threw that wing, when Aubrey asked, either eat the wing or, I forget the setup, but about her saying Madonna's a bad actress and that she shouldn't be acting. And Patti ate that wing. She's not going to take back to that word. Nope, she was going to stand on Madonna being a bad actress and frankly, she ain't wrong. - You're not wrong. It's delicious. So I mean, I know if the wing is, but the drama, please keep it going forever and forever. - They're frying chicken wings and it's just, it's really changed my life. It's a delicious little treat a couple times a week. Okay, what are you looking forward to next week? - Yeah, well, two movies on Friday, the 13th are releasing and they're going to continue to platform over the next few weeks. And I think they're both phenomenal and excited for people to see them. One, speaking of Aubrey Plaza is called My Old Apps, which is this really, really, really lovely smart coming of age movie from Megan Park. I think it's going to, yeah, I think it's just going to be one of those ones that we look back on. It's like a kind of cultural touchstone for a lot of people. It's really lovely and I'm excited for people to see that. And the other one is this documentary Will and Harper about Will Ferrell and his friend, Harper Steel, who they met when she was a writer on SNL, when Will was on SNL and more recently came out as trans. And so they do this road trip together to kind of learn what their friendship means to each other now in this new context, so to speak. And it's really, I think, well made and well done. And there are a lot of people that need to see it and I hope it reaches them. - Oh, good, good, I love that. I love that. Well, Cameron, you're just, you're one of my favorite people and you have one of the best eyebrows of anyone I've ever met. - Oh my God, I've never gotten that. - You have great eyebrows, great eyebrows. The way they rise, I mean, the way you just have great eyebrows and I'm glad I can be on your close friends. So that's it for today. Where can people follow you on the internet, Cameron Sheets? - Absolutely. So I'm on social media platforms, Twitter, X still, but Instagram others at Cameron Sheets. My name's C-A-M-E-R-L-N-S-C-H-E-E-P-Z and I am the entertainment editor at QueerDee. So any day of the week, I am writing about some fun gay nonsense on there. So he can find me there too. - I would highly encourage everyone to go follow Cameron 'cause he is, like I said, one of my favorites and if you like what you just heard, consider following me @HLNSCOT on everything and leaving a little rating review wherever you're listening to this podcast. With all that said, hide your dogs and cats when Trump comes to town and have a great day. (upbeat music) You
