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So me and Kate are going to talk about Liverpool and Neil, not known for us. Won't for Manfield, Jesse. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We came on here, not talking about this. So we want to talk about hosted sandwiches. I want to talk about the new Lady Gaga. I'm bringing my mother's song. I want to talk about the NFL. Have you not heard it? It's great. Just add on something. For dinner today, we put a shoulder of a ham into the slow cooker for about six hours. Hard to be top-kitted. You don't have the noise to call it when it comes out. I've just been able to call it in the end at all. Hard bet, isn't it? Yeah, it won't be that. Did you put a little glaze on it or was it just went in? No. Straight in with the ham. All the wrap or all that. Straight in six hours. Or you had to use like a, like, nearly like a sieve sort of implement. There was plastic round at the bottom. Sounds like a spoon, but it's not. It was plastic and it had loads of holes in it. It feels like something that you were drained spaghetti with when you lifted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a slide. Lifted the whole hammer and it was arching under the pressure of the hammer. I got it for the plate. Glorious. Let me just read that. It was great, but it's hard to be picked. I'm just going to say, I'm going to throw it out there. The lady Gaga's son having a head. It's Lady Gaga bringing on wires. Do it. It's fucking amazing. Do it with a smoill. Look out for it. Yeah, it's great. Anyone in the chat. Look at it. No. Maybe. They're going to make it. They want to make it. Lady Gaga bringing on wires. Yeah. But they're all joking. They're all joking. They're all joking. Yeah. We are going to talk about not going first as we're out there. We're going to talk about the line up and the approach. The changes in the game. Look, Ashley, Chris, Kevin, Matt, Donna, Paul, Marjessie. You're doing a great job. If you want to go back and listen to that, you can. You can listen. I'll watch it because it's available everywhere. This will be afterwards as well. But Keith, I'm going to start at the end a little bit. I'll come back to it at the end as well. It was just overall without getting into players or whatever else. Overall, it was just a disappointing day at the office. I was filming over. I'm going to be honest with you. But as I went on, as the evening went on, I said hard to myself. Do you know what? These things can happen. It's how we react. But it was just a poor day, Keith, overall. From start to finish, Paul. Yeah. It was, Gav. Look, we have way expectations that have appealed on the start of the season. Or it was sort of sitting there thinking to me, "Can we go the whole season without concealing the goal? Does that realistic?" I got ahead of myself. I'm not going to lie. I got ahead of myself. And look, it was a chasing and a result. Yes, they both. These things happen. We shouldn't be getting beaten at home. We should never be getting beaten at home. And certainly not against Team Zwick, not even Forrest. But these things happened. We've been beaten before. Boy, Team Zwick later and things like that. And, you know, you just have to shake it. It does just serve off and get back. Yesterday was an abnormal performance, boy live uphill, because there wasn't many good performances. And you can't usually say that about the ability, you know? And that's where the frustration, I think, lawyers. But we'll talk about that. I'm sure we're going on to all the, all the goods on it. They're not so good. But fair play, they're not in Forrest, boy, the way. Because they came to Anfield. They had a plan. Stink, the Gavfield. And run away with a blade in victory. So, you know, they don't, what they needed to do. But it just makes it, like I said, brings you back the air a little bit with what we want there with this Liverpool team. You know, look, the first three games of the season, I think you've seen, I think, different approaches. Yeah. The main core of what we're trying to do is being similar, but we've seen different approaches. You know, if it's your way, we change our halftime. I mean, we take control of the game and we win our easy. I mean, the effort was very kind of a subdual game. Kind of, Liverpool took a chance, held control, and then went and made a second late in the game. And then I managed to, you know, that's how we're excellent. We've seen him at the fourth, 10 minutes. Then we just took in pre-control of the game, and we had them, had them alive, you know what I mean? And going into yesterday, I was... It's not that I didn't want to see us controlled stuff, bro. I wanted a little bit of, these are teams we should go out and just bump, bump, bump, you know, go after. And I'm not saying there was all control of them and go with the club route where it's just mayhem and stuff like that. But I was kind of like, "Listen, these are probably bottom seven, bottom eight of the league, right?" Overall, they've had a decent start actually on beating, I think. But I wanted us to go out and, you know, they're going to sit behind the bar, but let's show energy, let's show movement, and stuff we've seen, you know, the sort of way. But it just didn't happen. There were 10 minutes between the end, 24th to 44th. I thought, and Sean, he was saying it was in the water group, we were torn on the screw here, we were. We're out being amazing, we're out being clear, we were starting to move them around a little bit, and that's what we want, you know, world being in control. Like, next level says, "Live up all our 18 players playing 200, 2,821 minutes on international duty. Forest at six players playing 678 on international duty." And Sean Forest had the advantage in getting the result yesterday. And that brings me to the start of the game, right? And our pre-game, or wherever you want to call it, the line up. Now, all you're going to show on Freud, you know, I think it was because of the call and show, and people were asking me, "What do you think will happen?" And I was genuinely keen. I was like, "I could see him dealing the same 11 because he's trusted." You know, he's trusted that, and it's got him this far. But I could also see a massive argument for changes. And when I see the line up coming out, I see, I didn't know where it's that way, but when I see the line up coming out, I see. And this isn't the only one, sorry, by the way. When I saw him coming out, I thought to myself, "Just something he got went, I would have made a few. I would have made a few." McAllister comes off again for her Argentina. I know he plays 26 minutes, but traditionally, when he travels away and comes back, he slows down. I thought he was OK. The time was good yesterday. Yeah, he was good yesterday. Not good. But, you know, these... Better than somewhere around them. I thought Nunez hasn't been away. Jota has, Diaz has. I would have actually started to see my cast. Because my mind is blown that we lost Andy Robertson through a pre-season. We got him ready. And he's looked OK. The 4-3 games of the season. And then he goes away with Scotland and plays 2-90s. And you're like, "Can we not pull him in with one of these?" And then he comes back and he starts again. I just, I just thought you had a chance there to pour a few on. Pour a few in and say, "You know what, we keep the nucleus." Nunez is chomping at the beginning and saying, "Gackpot." Right? And maybe a semi-cast. Even though it's true. And if you don't want to do that, then you feel fine. But something you got, yes, he said to me, "I would have changed a few bits, Keith." And it's not hindsight. I was talking about it on Friday night and I wasn't sure which way I wanted to go over it. No, I'd agree with you. Because the exact same when I seen the team, you know, I was surprised that it was an unchanging team. Because I could understand, already, in the 4-scam, as you say, Quons are starting to get your place, boy, can I? They would be in, that's the settle team for the 4-scary games. And I could understand that in a block and saying, "Oi, let's get to the international break and see where we are." "Oh, you hate international breaks? I hate international football?" Well, in the main, in the most part, we hate international football. We love South America, for example. But that brings a problem in itself that we have players that call the South America and come back. You get, whether they're playing minutes, it's still a lot of travelling. And Oi wouldn't even have started, Michaelis. Even though I think he played well, Oi would have made a few changes. Oi would have made a few changes to that team. Again, similar to what I was saying, Neil knows he doesn't travel, maybe he gets a start. Because he's doing all kinds of cameos coming on as well, so it's not like it would be a left field decision. Do you know what I mean? So he went with the team and, well, it may have been a little bit sore there. Ooh, Oi maybe wouldn't have done that. I understand as well, he's going with the team that won. But I just don't like, Oi think he should try and use your squad and freshen up your squad. One of the things we talked with, slot, from looking at, not by watch much fun. Or looking back at it as games and fun. Or he did seem to rotate his teams a lot. Maybe it's an end-the-season thing I don't know. Or maybe he's just trying to get established in that Liverpool force. Or it was quite a surprise that he didn't make any changes to that team. And I think it might have to be a little bit clear when the games are starting to come taken fast. Internationals are a great nightmare. You see, the other teams have lost key players on the international break. We've been lucky in the sense where we have the alley-a-cows down and we're fractured for. But, you know, we've been lucky in this international break, but we still have players off there. And I think we should maybe have just used the squad. But look, it's easy to say that now, you know, I don't want to be overly critical. We pick the team that had won three out of three, having conceded the goal. We're at home against nothing on forest. It should have been enough. But the team lacked urgency and the team lacked any sort of... I wouldn't say the Zoya, well, maybe the Zoya is a strong ward, but they lacked energy. The only thing which was a surprise. There was definitely an energy thing there, right? But do you know what annoyed me more? And I kept thinking of Jordan again. Sla has talked about... And I don't think he's blaming us in this, by the way. I've no problem saying I think a manager got wrong and I will in a bit. But Sla has talked a lot about killing them or passes. And he wants us to hold the ball. Whether that's in air, seek your hair box, in midfield, up front. If we don't feel... Not trying to score the perfect goal. But if we feel like that's too much of a risk to hit, let's keep playing. Let's keep moving them. And it just wasn't there yesterday. You know what I mean? It was an awful lot of baller with the Salah. Salah might have a look or a fella. And in previous games, Salah will just come in and go, "Here, you take it." And we move it around. And I'll probably get space in 10, 15 passes a time where they can isolate somebody else. Or they can isolate somebody and do something. Or the midfielders stride into midfield. And we see him in yesterday where Saba's lie breaks. And he gets beyond Forrest's midfield. And he plays this ball where it's neither the Jot and nor Diaz. It's behind Jot and too far away from Diaz. And you're like, "Why don't you take another touch and then make sure of it?" Do you know what I mean? And it just felt to me like, and I think Sla might have touched in the yesterday. The amount of times we, I think we lacked patience. And the amount of times we lacked patience. And the amount of times we lacked patience. And then Forrest, and not only Forrest, but gave them back the ball. I think he's okay if you try Forrest, and it goes out over the end line and you go, "You know what? Didn't walk, but we're back inside here." He hates when you lose the ball and then you leave yourself a bit open. And I think we've done that an awful lot, yes. Because Forrest, we talk about that game plan a bit. But overall, they were doing nothing against us. They had a shot in the fourth half. No, they were. They had to set a stall out to spoil. And that's what they were doing. And they were getting booked for a time when they were, you know, she housing a little bit as they've done in the past against us. But it's funny. I think the midfield, too. Oita Grappenberg and McAllister were okay. I think the problem was really in front of them. Ator Sala was atrocious and ator Dom was atrocious. And Jota was a terrible problem. Well, the trade them, Diaz to an extent. I was looking at the stats there. So they lost loads of their battles, their jewels and all that, all of them. You know, they weren't winning that. Their past completion was played. Trent was 70%. Well, to be God, we've got. So, so, but as low as past completion was 78%. Diaz was in the 90s. He was in the 90s. You know, so they just went fast. When you put all this together, let me put our 10. 54% for Jot the, Jot the 5th for a percent, don't even have his chances. That brings your overall team probably down to somewhere around the 74% mark, which let me put it up between 84% and 90%. Look, actually says there she has a quote from Slough, and it was the one I was thinking of. We've asked the ball so many times in simple position, Slough said, it wasn't good enough. Too many individual performance were not of the standard I'm used to. It's a big setback, he says. Yeah. Is that, and somebody, I'm going to bring someone up here, I was going to bring a player, but I'm going to bring it up here. And Brian said earlier, I might as well try one in here now, he said, all the things considered, it could be a good one to take a smack in the face from. We probably became overconfident for what's achievable this season after the four or three games. Yeah, I think that it's okay to be a bit overconfident. Not the team, yeah, but not us. As long as we learn from it, it's Slough trying to, and I know we're jumping ahead a little bit here, but it's Slough trying to say to the team, not good enough. That's a major problem we had there yesterday, and we have to sort it out. Yeah, I've seen somebody saying, I don't know where somebody crits always been saying. You know, he's throwing his players on that a boss, throwing his players on that a boss. We'd rather than throw them on that a boss for that and, you know, be critical of players, rather than try to make out that that's okay, because that was garbage. It's only the same what we're seeing. Exactly. Well, that's what I mean, if you choose to say the other way, if you look at a whole lot of me and you're in your room, it's beautiful. Yeah, and we're not having this. No. So it's, I think, you know, we see, he's calling the melon and hopefully get a reaction now with, like I said, the toss of Baslow, he was more guests today, but he's been brilliant at the season. The woman on the walk he's done has been brilliant, Salah has been brilliant, Jota has been brilliant. You know, so I'm thinking of these boys and Trent was always been brilliant up till yesterday as well. And, you know, we're just think, hopefully you get that reaction now with him. You don't want to lose a game. You don't want to lose a hunger and you don't want to lose it. There's not one for us, but it puts pressure on you to say in the next block again, which we all taught this block of late games. We should have got maximum points. When you look at the fixtures, we should have been getting there. We've taken a blade and hit there. We dropped three points. We have to go on and recover from that. We can't drop more. You see the likes of Arsenal and the pressure today against Spurs in the sense that it's like, well, if you don't win this game, use a drop point against Brighton and just play Man City. Before you know it, you are dealt with a Toyota race. Now, what are people thinking about people learning a Toyota race with Arsenal and Manchester City are not up to them. Or you are always thinking about it in the right chance. We took a defeat. We need to make sure that we get the reaction. The players need to give the reaction to slot in the next few games. We have to win on performance. Because Manchester know it is solid. The other games, we were slowing the fourth half and then we clicked the indicator in the second half of the games. That's what I thought was going to happen yesterday. We knew a lot of time, it wasn't worried, to be honest, they are playing shit. They are not the only ones that are playing shit. They had a game plan. They are not offering much and we will power them in the second half. We just didn't. Get it out of your system now, but you have to get a reaction. You know what I mean? It can't become the norm. There has to be a bit of accountability, but a bit of responsibility for the players to say, look, that wasn't good enough. They can't rely on what I don't want to see is, you know, how this fellow doesn't know what he is doing. You know, Jorgen wasn't a late letter. That's what I don't want them to tell you. But the team is like, when a team of players don't show up, whether you are a fucking honest slot, or your club. And we've seen it on the club. We've seen it at times from difficult. When they don't show up, you can be mayhem and toner into a game. At tennis, you know, back and forward, you can try camping or having. And no matter what, you are going to get caught on the fucker break and get on with him. Right? It happens. You see, part of me, part of me yesterday, right, was it's a defeat. But the way I looked at it was, it wasn't, for me, it wasn't where we missed loads of gilded chances and then just got done. And then the team just took over and we'd no answer. It wasn't like that, although the changes coming, it was a bit fucking, it was a bit mad, right? But slot's saying it's, you know, it's a big setback. You know, it'll be interesting to see what he does on Tuesday because Oita, he was going to expect to win this game. Go out on Tuesday, make a few changes and, you know, go out against Ace Man, not on the rest of me in Ace Man, but giving people a chance and now I'm going to be really interested to see what he does. Because does he say the players that played yesterday, that wasn't fucking good enough. You're out, this guy is in. Or does he go, I can't really afford to make these fucking changes after the back of that. I'm going to have to put these lads back in. I think if he puts these lads back in, I don't think it's a good look for him. No. I don't think it's a good look for him. Wait, how he caught the holes in the mail? I'm not just wondering, you were brutal, you were brutal and fucking been in you. I'm saying, I am going to make them changes because you weren't good enough. You'll be back in next week. You could be back in next week, but I have to give this guy a chance. It's a Champions League game guy against Ace Man. So I'm not looking for, you know, holes in all changes that have to be under 20 trades, but he needs to make a few changes. Like, he needs to, I just say, if he goes with that same team again, it is a bit desperate. You know what I mean? Because if you don't get the performance, we've been on a late game coming up. You know what I mean? Like, damn, what did you stick with them again? Do you know what I mean? Yeah. You're going into a bit of a spoiler, then. So, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what happens. Look, I'm on curious, and I'm excited to see what happens. Do you know what I mean? I want to see them up here, back in the Champions League. So it would be brilliant. Keep, we'll tell them all tomorrow. That's what it would. Yeah. Replace them all. Love it now, sir. Love it. Love it. You know what I mean? I don't know. What I mean? I don't know. I don't know. A couple of other things in the game, right? Listen, I think, if you go through to him, I think the center halves are okay. Yeah. Right? I think, I think Robertson is okay, and then just turns up in my positions on the pitch, and then it's touched, let them down really badly for one, where he has a chance. And it was like, we probably need to make that change, right? Yeah. I think Graham and Burch is okay. Yeah. I think McAdams was okay. I think Sabo's all over the place. Like, that one, that one where he breaks in, in the fourth half, he breaks beyond them, right? And he tries his pass. My thing is, if you take another touch, you're allowed just to make that run, and the area you're going to pour it into now is where Diaz has gone to arrive. It was like the time it was off. Santa Troi fucking these passes about, the same pass about what I am many times, and just kept giving it to Forrest. Trent's just got, just worse as it went down. Yeah. I'm going to the midfield thing in a minute. Diaz Troi, like, give him that. He always throws. That's the toy. Even if it's not going well for Diaz, you can never question his commitment to Troy. Do you know what I mean? Like, he Troi is the four players. I think Joetta was pinpointed by them as don't let this fella get it. Yeah. And I'm not saying it was massive damage, but he linked up things and he dragged, he might drag a cent a half out, but they were literally going, no, just smaller this fella as much as you can. And Sala was awful. Yeah. And it's okay to say that. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Anyone's telling you, yes, that Sala wasn't awful. Yeah. You know, I thought Sala was awful. I thought Trent was just got predominantly worse. Yeah. I didn't think, I didn't, you know, the changes. Sala was awful. Yeah. But the changes come on, right? And it's madness. Yeah. Nunez ends up on the left hand. So he'll climb a Caudie Gackbo for fucking some reason, right? Yeah. But I don't, I don't know how fair it was on Nunez on Gackbo on Simicast, because I think they come into a madness, right? Yeah. And people are saying, you know, um, what's this? What's that farthest manager's name again? Nunez. Yeah. Saying he done a job on us and stuff like that. I think they've pulled on a job on themselves here, Keith. Because I understand they're going to try on a Langer and they're going to try and hold some of the Doy. But why did Liverpool just go, okay, listen, they're trying a bit more pace on why they? What we'll do is we'll just make sure we're our solid selves. You know, we've played against pace this season. Let's be our solid selves and back air front for a foyer to do that much. We'll make it that sort again. But we don't. We look at this pace coming on and we decide we're going to go four and four up the pitch. You know what I mean? And Gakbo should absolutely obey the Langer when he gets the ball. Yeah. We can't understand that. Yeah. Just play it and like, what? Just take the Langer. When he's trying to do it. Take it for Canelo. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Take the Langer. Like, I think that my people just done a job on themselves yesterday. That tactic was a pace towards the end of the game. But a lot of people played into it. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have pace with it? I'll tell you what we're going to do. We're going to start putting our full backs into midfield. Right? And we're going to start taking our fellas at the back and putting midfielders on. And we're going to leave ourselves down the sides. And you have as much fucking fun as you like. And we'll see what happens in the end. And the tree at the back. Yeah. And can we please, please stop this fucking stuff with Trent in midfield. Look, Keith, I'm sorry. Right? But we're fucking, we're massaging someone's ego here. I don't know what the fuck we're doing. But Trent goes into midfield. And he pings it on how many ever fucking play and everything else. Stop. We need to stop this. And this is the biggest, I think this is the biggest pointer to what he should have saw in the midfield or in the summer. Because when you're forced midfield move in a game yesterday. Whether you're a nail-all or you're one nail-down is to put a fall back in there. And he's a fucking fall back. Let's be very clear about it. Right? He's only ever being a fall back for Liverpool. To put him in there is your first option. Is a problem, Keith. Well, we didn't loite that. We didn't loite that. And I agree with you. It is a problem. And I agree it's about massaging a fella's ego. Trent, I think the only position Trent can play in midfield is in an all midfield fall. I don't think he can play essentially. He'll get some good passes when he's not on that pressure. He's seen it with England over the game. It's always at the oil in the England game passing the ball around. We could play it now tomorrow. The same in the game after that. He'll always do that. But, you know, that's against players where they're not getting pressure from. We think you're going for us with him with credit there. We think they were the disgraceful team. Both. They got what they came for. They got what they came for. I don't know. I agree with that. I agree with that both. If I just came out and tried to play football yesterday and got beaten three little people ago, what the fuck is that? Oh, yeah. He's a bit like a fella. He's refusing to change the way he's playing. He's not straight back down. He's running from the back as well. What I mean? Sorry. It's just quickly. Kev says that wasn't on Trent. It's all on slot. I'm not saying. I never once said it was on Trent. I've just served somebody as massage in a fella's ego here. And I think it was on a slot. He moves him into midfield yesterday. And he's all over the place. And someone makes the point. Why didn't you just bring Joel Gomez on? Put Gomez, Kanate, and Van Dijkja back three. Play Bradley. Play Bradley. And fucking. Bradley don't have anyone who came up. Or leave Trent as a wing back and Simicas. Right? And then just play three in midfield until up front. Throw a salad up front with new ones if you have to. Play. Bring Gaqbo back in and play McGrath and Birch and Saba's living on a deal. But it went, it really went key to a fucking tray at the back. And everybody else is going, "Oh, well, let's see what happens." And half of the men there were up on the left hand. I saw it in midfield. Yeah, it was a great crack out there. I wasn't on that left hand, so it. Yeah. It was weird. It was weird. The Trent in midfield thing is annoying. You know, Courtless Jones comes on and Moi Oiad, a fucking atrocious young for a few minutes. He was brutal. And you only think he's a good player, Courtless Jones. So it wasn't Courtless Jones, but I'm not saying he would have made too much of a difference, but he possibly is a midfielder. You know, I put in Trent in there, as I was saying, against oil and the Finland, that wonderful people. That's fine. When you're playing a team like Forrest and I'm oiling, digging Forrest, they're all a bit saying, you know, they are awful. What you're getting at with them is that they're getting stuck in. They're putting pressure on. They're looking at the Tonya over and they're looking to get out of their pace and catch it that way. So it wouldn't have been important Trent into midfield for that. Or it would have been important to midfielder in there. I can play on the tone. I can play on that pressure. In theory, Courtless Jones, he didn't, you know, didn't turn out that way. Yes, they both. I think the Trent thing is annoying me, right? Because I don't know what's going to happen with him. And the Virgil and Salah contract things, they're all the players. I think they both are the camels and said the club haven't contacted them or whatever. Or you doubt the club isn't trying to get Trent to sort of contract. I don't know if they're now going down that road of trying to pull them awesome a bit and giving them minutes in the midfield. And if that's the case, we'll be playing. I think we've been for a lot of trouble because if he's the play center, maybe he needs to get players in around them. We would necessarily have them players. And I don't think it woke out too well. So I don't want to be experimented to get a lot of so in the contract, when there's, you know, Champions League football. People get annoyed when you say top four has to be attacked. Top four has to be attacked every season. You have to be getting into the Champions League. But you get both that. Aim for number one. You're more you come second, you're more you come towards. Don't aim for four because then you come fifth or sixth. You have to look to get into the Champions League. So we don't want us to be wasting time. Look how we started on that slot. But I don't want us to be wasting seasons by playing a lot in midfield. And there'll be times when he'll go in there and he will turn again because of his passing ability. Or just didn't think yesterday was that. I don't think he was playing well and I don't think the game situation still putting them in there. Chris says the overreacting to this game is hilarious. I don't think we're overreacting. I think we're just telling you. Not telling you about giving our view on what happened yesterday. It was quite obvious what happened yesterday. You know, it was quite obvious. Like we played. It wasn't good. We made changes. They were probably worse. I'm not in the person as a commander. Just the way they were. Looked like we tried to use. And that's a rarity, you know. That is a rarity. And then players that were on the pitch and middle position were off. And that's just the truth. You know what I mean? I think it's a mixture of, I do think it's a mixture of the lineup that was picked. And the application from the players and what they're asked to do. And then the changes and the approach. You know, it just wasn't good enough. Peaches. I think it might be a farthest fan. I'm glad I haven't heard the International Break for Teague. So that's a positive. You shouldn't have taken off Jota. He's a nemesis. He wasn't having a great game in France. I don't think any of them did. And you know what? You know, I didn't like the way I watched Forrest play S3, but I know what Forrest was doing. You know what I mean? And my biggest thing I was, like Jake says, hands down on the war's farms. I think it's really up there. If you want to take a positive, that's probably it. Yeah, but listen, if you're going, if Forrest are going to go and do what they're doing. Which they were doing, but Liverpool, for some reason, their own head went. We're torn on the screw for the last 10 minutes of this Forrest House. Why don't we go out and just keep doing that? Not giving them any shots in the game. And we're attacking, attacking, attacking. Now, if we, you know, don't give them any shots in the game and we draw the game near large you go. You know what? We're brilliant defensively. We just have things to walk on. But we actually played into it. We literally looked at them bringing on pace and went. Yeah. What you need when you bring them on is loads of room to run into. And we're going to supply it to you. You know this all the way. And I think that's, that's where I am. They've got players for this, don't they? They've got players like, you know, Gabe's way and Elliot Anderson and James Ward. But you know, they've got good players in there that can hold you. But they're bringing in their pacy lads, their world. And you have to be able to cater for that. You know what I mean? You have to be able to, just to be able to, um, deal with that. And we just didn't, you know, and for this, it was harsh on for the story. But I think that it, that a mad team, that a mad club that transfer business over the last few years is playing crazy. If it wasn't for Chelsea being absolutely ridiculous, we'd be talking about for us. Do you know what I mean? So in and all these players and these players shaping up our forest and are like, man, the fuck that they saw in him. But they've got good players in there. You know, they have got good players. So I think it's, it's still easy for me to maybe run them down and you look at that team. Roy does a Chris Ward. I'm sure Forrest fans probably know Chris Ward. You can improve on him. I'm sure. But you know, they've got the Lewis and Milenkovich and Morello till good center backs. They've got good players in midfield. Nicole Dominguez on the way in. Give a decent team there. I don't know if you're man rowing Yates. And I didn't know it came yesterday. He was just going around to get help. And he's done that in the past against those teams. He's definitely one of these. I get the way for it. He's definitely the sort of fellow that someone is going to absolutely annoy you on a page one day. And nobody is going to fail sorry for him. No, but I will say one or seven and then Peaches in the chat will probably be great. I'd say either you're a forest fan, you love him. Do you know what I mean? I'd say he's your blade and goatee or goatee. He goes in and doesn't, he goes in and mowings up players and he doesn't get overall. We kind of, he annoyed about him. Yes, they both, again, they went in. They done that job and they got the win. And ultimately that's what it's all about. That's the name of the game. When you get three points and as you've said, they could have went in and tried to play football and came out on a, you know, our own lucky lads just got paid for an ill. They've gone away with three points and a one ill win. Or yard off in the team and, you know, fair play teams have to do that. You don't see enough teams. They don't think too many teams go down these wins and come. I'm sure you have only where, I know, just play, just keep playing. We're going to keep playing. Yeah. No, get in and yard off it. Well, yeah, that's my thing. I think, and I'm not, not given credit to not nonforest. But anyway. No, you're weird. He wasn't poor. Just like the clarifying. Yeah, but I just do think that Liverpool played a massive character. Do you know the sort of thing? I think if Liverpool had kept their shape and their discipline and their patience and the goal started, my dog was chasing something. And kept their patience and lost one nil. You would have went, you know what, that keeper's had a fucking worldly of a game. And that's what happened. But when you're watching it unfold in front of your own, we're literally playing into everything that this guy wants. Yeah. And we're reacting positively for him when he brings on subs by changing things where we're leaving more and more space. It was just one of those. Well, I have to say, you know, it's, it is a kick in the teeth. It is a lesson to be learned. Oh, pardon me. Looked to the yesterday and went, right. Now he has nowhere to go behind in the game. What are you going to do? Do you know the sort of thing? And we will see that. But what do you want to see from Liverpool? Because we play AC Milan on Tuesday. I think we're home to bomb it next weekend. And then we have, I think we've got West Ham. West Ham in the club. And we've got loads of games coming up. Specifically going into this AC Milan game. Like, do you expect to see Liverpool come out there? And I'm not saying rip up the fucking rip up the whole thing that he's being doing. I think what I tried to do was good. They just didn't apply it yesterday. But do you want to see Liverpool come out on Tuesday night and go, Roy, one thing I want to see is we just play as hold onto the bar. Especially in those areas that he wants you to hold onto the ball. Because you could see him being so frustrated at yesterday. And I think, you know, what's the difference with slot and club is that club was there, you know, 100 more than our press press press. And slot has come out today. There'll be more control there'll be that. I think yesterday we seen forcing the ball and forcing the passes and forcing the shots. And then we saw control when maybe we needed to speed things up. So, I think yesterday was a blade in glitching the matrix. It was started the fourth time we've seen where, in my opinion, he didn't really know what he was doing. And so what we expect a bounce back, obviously, against the AC Milan. And look, the AC Milan were talking about where I don't know. They're not the first that they were when we were younger, but they're still a big team. So you can't take them for granted. But you think we don't want nothing for us. And if we took them for granted, I think we didn't give them the respect that they may be deserved. 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Well, you know what I mean? Well, you know what I mean? Well, you know what I mean? Well, you know what I mean? Well, the team can't become in and just play in day one, day one, day one and falter four in and doctrine and things like that. But apparently, yeah, and when you look at all the things, it's falter tones. It's falter tones. Yes. It's on massive amounts of counts of that. Then you have refusing to walk with the Premier League and refusing to answer. Yeah. Literally trying to pull everything in its way. Jonathan says, isn't it 140? It is actually 140 characters. Yeah. But honestly, like, Aiden says there, the Premier League don't want to win this case. That's what worries me. If the Premier League don't win this case, well, honestly, like, it'd be like you have a lawyer, right? And saying, and the lawyer saying to you, I think we should sue that pair because they don't run on you. And you go, okay, sue them. If your lawyer then goes and doesn't want to win the case and doesn't win it, you're not going to keep my jailer. So live up hill and others, how can they keep the Premier League as they're, you know, as the people that overlook football at the highest level in England? They can't. They have to sue. They have to sue an incompetence in them. I'm telling them, go, we're not playing this game anymore. So what we're going to do is we're going to go over here and play and earn more money because it's all down to money. We're going to earn more money over here and you can keep your league where you went after this team, you put the 415 charges down and none of them, if none of them proved to be true, that is a compliment of the highest order. When you look at everything getting absolutely hopped out, then I know it's different because what I don't, you know, and as I said, Forrest and other teams that fell foul of the PSR and you see, you know, you're actually late and scared and around that and getting little backhanders to fix them up. But if you see everything getting latched out before all our spends, over the period, they're obviously in the mess. If you look at them getting punished for that twice in the season and then what man city have allegedly done, we'll say allegedly just for the crack, what a man city have allegedly done, you know, the punishments have to be made out reflective of the previous punishment that does. If that's the case, man city get hopped out of it. So if it turns out that at some, you know, the biggest foreign record, foreign in the history of football, we got that already, we already got one of them. But that's fine. You know what I mean? And that's the worry. We went after them, we got them, and we phoned them. But if you told me that. We're going to find you 400 million quid. They just go, okay, there it is. They just pay it. Yeah. They just pay it because they make more money off the fucking story. Yeah. You know what I mean? And they have the money there to do it. This point is auction nonsense. What are you going to do? 50 points? 50 points, they'll still put up 50 points on the leg and still stay in the leg. You get 40 points, they'll still end up with 70 points and possibly get into the Champions League anyway. If they have gone into the Premier League as a stakeholder and are proven to be guilty on a quarter of these charges, they should not be in the Premier League. It's as simple as that. And the manner of the charges isn't, "Oh, you spent a bit more than you were meant to, like ever." Yeah. It's not that they produced false numbers. That's what they're being accused of. They produced false numbers, false sponsorships, and then they went and they denied everything, and they wouldn't want anybody to question them. But this can go down as a point seduction and a fine. That's what I mean, it shouldn't. You know, but let's wait and say, I think I do agree with the person who was talking about the other day. Dar is his name. You know, it was fun. And he said to me, "They look like Sean, either way. I want 100% degree." But the thing for me is, if they are a firm guilty of whatever amount of these charges, they're so serious in the context of what they are, that you can't keep them in the Premier League. You simply can't. You know what I mean? Look, if you were running a business tomorrow and you were falsifying all those things, you'd be struck off. You can't own a business again. You've been doing it for a long time. You can't be the only. You know what I mean? But listen. See, how long have you been saying it's going to last? They reckon it's going to last six weeks, and then you'll hear the result then. It'll be in the middle of November, I think, and then you're going to hear it all the start of November, and then you won't hear anything until February. But the thing is, the sort is out. They need, I think they need a result. They need a verdict. They need an appeal, and they need a verdict on that appeal before the end of this season. I see you win a lot. But if you go down, if you're told no, listen, the appeals are over, and you're now into the EFL. We're dropping you down to League 2, and the EFL are going to take you into League 2. All the playoffs, all the promotions, and all the allegations across the championship, Premier League and Championship League 1 and League 2 are all affected plus the conference. So everyone has to know Jopo. You know what I mean? Trevor says there'll be an appeal, or 100% there'll be an appeal. 100%, but this is very, the toy restrictions on this now are koi-toy. The koi-toy. Can't let it get tangled in the pails for years like this. Yes. It'll, it'll, um, it'll... Honestly, you get found guilty, but far, let's say, 68M charges, but they're going to appeal. They'll win the toil, and the others will be bleeding, plumars on them, and Blount smoke, with their eyes as they lift another Premier League toil, will be found guilty of 60, 50, 60 charges. You know what I mean? It's fucking laughable, but they brought on themselves as well on the Premier League. Um, but anyway, it starts tomorrow. As Kevin said earlier in the chat, I agree with him, this toil, or this thing, is going to leak like a safe oil agreement. Yeah. I think you're going to have so much propaganda on both sorts, and you'll nearly see what sort of these journalists are on very, very quickly. Oh, I'll tell you what, so Samuel will be on an anyway, late in Man City, because he gets his noise samples when he goes up to the play net he had. Yeah, he gets a bit of bleeding, you know, curry mayonnaise on the sample, and it's easy. Yeah. For a grass sample. Yeah. I'm sure he biked him, allegedly. Well, going on a run, that has been the talking cup for something you like. Thanks a million to everyone. Join us. Thanks to Peaches. That's not far as fun. Join us and give them great views. And, yeah, we'll talk to you tomorrow for our members at 10 a.m. in the morning. Listen, you know how the 10 a.m. show walks. Some football, mostly random, it's just a chance for us to have a cup of tea and a biscuit and waffle on a bit, whatever. It's not heavy on football, it's just easy going. Like, subscribe, comment, become a member, all that sort of thing. Talk to you soon. Oh, man, help. Oh God, I pressed wrong button again. Oh, for fucks sake. [silence] [silence] This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. [silence]
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