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We'll see what happens when we get to the defensive tape, of course, but came away somewhat optimistic. Honestly, pretty optimistic about what I saw from the Giants offense in this game. What it can mean moving forward if the telltale signs of this improvement on the offensive line and what neighbors can mean for an offense are true, and they hold true, and they play out over the rest of the season. We'll see if that's the case, but I want to start there today, Nick. I want to start with the offensive line. This might have been the best offensive line performance I've seen by the New York Football Giants in 10 years of watching this team. I think it certainly was the best offensive line performance I saw overall since we start doing this podcast. Now, there have been some better games from a run blocking standpoint. Maybe there have been some better games from a past pro standpoint, but I don't even know if that's the case, but overall, there have not been a better, there have not, I don't think there's been a better performance than I saw from this group collectively in this game. So where do you want to start? What are your thoughts on that? From the run blocking standpoint, it wasn't like the Giants got all that creative in the past when we've seen successful runs. There was a lot of counter runs. There was a lot of, we're going to pull the backside guard. We're going to pull that backside Hbacks going to be a counter run. We're going to create those extra gaps on the play side. This was more just duo. It was just we are going to form double teams up front and we are going to abuse you. And when you combine that with the aggressive nature of Washington's defense, especially when they were getting run on, you saw them, I felt like a just well throughout the game, we started slanting and stunting, meaning they're exchanging gaps at the snap. And it kind of threw off the double teams. You didn't see as many double teams in the middle part of the game because the Giants offensive lineman had to adjust to the penetrating linebackers and the gap exchange. I felt like the Giants offensive line did such a good job with that. It wasn't just we're going to get hip to hip. We're going to get our eyes on the linebacker and we're going to drive this three technique or whatever it is up to the middle linebacker and then we're going to come off. It was also adjusting to what Washington did. And that coupled with Devin Singletary's vision and his one cut ability led to Devin Singletary finding a lot of those cutback lanes because on a lot of those plays when Washington was slanting their defensive lineman, they would send their edge rusher wide to contain. And then that created this massive be gap because Andrew Thomas would just take that edge rusher and throw him aside. And Singletary, even though the play was opening up to the other side, Singletary recognized that right as he got the football hit the whole promptly and ended up picking up like eight, 10, 12 yards. I was, I came away very encouraged with how the offensive line performed as run blockers and that's pass protection. We'll get in that in a little bit, but Carlin Bricillo must be doing something right because I didn't expect the Giants to run the football all that well in this match because Jonathan Allen and Iran paint and it wasn't like John Michael Schmitz, John Runyon or Greg Van Rope were like dominating those guys. It was because they were a cohesive unit and when was the last time we said that, Dan? That's the point. Like they're playing together this group. It's obvious when you watch them on tape. We're going to run through. I cut up all the pass protection plays, but I cut out Nick, the design screen, the Giants ran and a couple of the quick hitters because it's just not important for pass pro. So we're going to get to see all the pass protection plays. We have some run plays. This cut up. I know you have some. I have six Singletary run plays. We're going to get to see the run blocking on that. I think you're right. They ran almost, not entirely, but a lot of duo in this game. And I don't, I don't think it was all necessarily just dominance up front. It was a lot of what you just saw right there, a really cohesive unit working together. Shmit comes off the double team and gets the next guy at the next level, opens up a little bit. This is the first run of the game. This is just an eight year rush, right? Like it's nothing too crazy, but I remember like, oh, we got eight yards right up the gut. Right. It's the Singletary. Most of his runs are right up the gut. It's like the Giants are getting too, you know, crazy with how they're rushing the football. They have the, I have some of their runs charted. They had a bunch of duo runs in this game. And then they did a couple duo fold type of runs out of 21 personnel with Jakob Johnson had two trap wham, had a shotgun power run where they pulled the backside guard and then they had a couple zone reads where Daniel Jones decided to keep it a quarterback draw and a half back draw. So it's not all that complex, they're keeping it simple. But it's just the fact that the Giants offensive line is able to actually move people off the ball and climb at the correct time to maximize these runs with this running back is something again, man, that I'm, that I am, I'm very interested in, in continuing to see on the duo runs, I saw eight yards, they had a minus two yard rush and then they had a 22 yard and 18 yard, a six yard, 12 yard, that 12 yard ended up being the fumble. So they were getting chunks off of those rushing attempts from Singletary. What happened in this, like last week we saw the offensive line play solid. I don't think it played amazing. It played solid specifically in past protection. They gave Jones enough time in week one to make plays. This week, the past protection took a jump even from that. But last week, the run blocking wasn't there. It wasn't a run scheme that was working. This week, it's like they took a totally different jump. And I would say, you know, a lot of people would say, Nick, oh, it's the commanders, the Giants always find success against the commanders. Who cares? We do this every year. But this is not like a matchup where the run defense for the commander is supposed to be unbelievably bad. This run defense shut down Rashad White in week one against Tampa. They have two studs on the interior and they're on pain, Jonathan Allen. And yeah, they don't have the greatest linebacker core, the greatest edges at this point anymore. But this was a defense that the only way to beat them in the run game was what you just said. The play gohesively up front. You see good blocks. I thought I saw great blocks from John Runyon all game, John Michael Schmidt, players who just, you know, in the past have been maybe not so much of an impact in the run game. And they were playing well in this game. They're executing their assignments. I think it really was as simple as what you just said at the beginning, Nick, like they're executing their assignments. They weren't mauling people. It wasn't these highlight real plays. It was just playing together and cohesively, which we've taken for granted, I guess, or just doesn't happen as often as we think it should over the years watching offensive line play. And it's the adjustments as I was bringing up a little bit before now, I want to say this is duo, there might be some football savants out there, people who are, who are a little bit more tuned into the intricacies of inside zone and duo, they are very easy to conflate together. The way I typically judge that is if you are opening up towards the tight end, if you are getting hip to hip and driving vertically and really trying to establish those double teams rather than kind of combo and climb, which is what you see with inside zone. And if that backside tackle on the play is a one in a one on one situation, because in duo, you typically open up to the tight end and you're typically need a tight end blocks. One of the reasons why I've been advocating for Chris Manhurst for so long long time podcast listeners, you know, I've been a big fan of Chris Manhurst and Chris Manhurst, look, open up towards the tight end side, one on one with Chris Manhurst now, are they forming double teams? No, not on this play. This is a little bit later on because as I mentioned at the top of the podcast, Washington was slanting and they were stunting at the line of scrimmage, but you can see how the offensive line wants to set up these double teams. They go into the double team. This is a great play by John Runyon. It's never going to pop up on a Bob's box or anything like that, but you can see John Runyon's step because he has a two eye on his inside shoulder. He's going to step. John Runyon's running right side of the screen and he sees, he sees 93, go inside. He's like, all right, JMS, you have him for his penetrating. I need to peel off this double team block and I need to pick up this penetrating linebacker and he does. Pushes the linebacker up and away. Singletary notices it. He's not going to go to the play side. He's going to hit the backside. He sees that two eye. He sees that two eye slant. He sees the linebacker penetrate. Huge hole. Now it's on 11 to make that stop. So the defense created the one on one matchup that they wanted, but it's on Devin Singletary to take advantage of his blockers and to make 11 miss and Singletary does such a good job pressing the line of scrimmage. You see how he presses it? He gets up there, puts the foot in, 11 stops his feet and now he's like, oh crap, I don't have the distance I want. I don't have that distance relationship with Devin Singletary, so I just need to dive at him. He's like a slippery. Make some miss. And then he spins out of 20, who was that secondary alley defender where he's not really even an alley defender because he's coming from the other side, but another defender that he really needs to make miss is an excellent play by Devin Singletary, but it's also because of that blocking up front. And it's an adjustment off of an adjustment that was made by Shane Bowen or by Shane Bowen. It was an adjustment from Washington's defense against the New York Giants. And the Giants offensive protection actually being able to come away and actually work, which is amazing because, look, man, through these first two games, the Giants offensive coaching staff, if we just look at them collectively, that really won many of the chess matches, right? Comerber Silo and how he is teaching this unit has them playing together to where these adjustments and these curve balls can be thrown at the offensive line and the offensive line is not getting defeated because of them. They're actually adjusting and keeping drives going. Yeah, it's really a breath of fresh air to watch this offensive line take these steps forward. I hope it continues on. I think next week's going to be a tough challenge for any offensive line in the NFL versus Cleveland. It's a tough run with sticky covered on the back end and a really good scheme. But there's no denying that they've taken a massive step forward. I'm going to put up now a video, Nick, or you can put it up now, a video of just something I cut up earlier, which is every single pass play the Giants ran. So every from the end zone angle, the pass protection from the end zone angle, save four. I took out a few design screens and quick hitters, but you can see in this video just how good the pass protection was the entire game. And you have even a few plays. It wasn't perfect. Like there were some plays with a little bit of exterior pressure here against the Luminor in there. But for the most part, occasionally I saw, you know, Schmitt's get beat inside on one or two grand-band room. But for the most part, dude, like we're looking at some of the squeakiest clean pockets. Look at this pocket that Jones has delivered this deep ball here to Malik neighbors. I mean, he is full range to step fully into the throw. You'll see it eventually when you get to 503 on this versus like a five minute and a half video. But the touchdown pass to Malik neighbors was some of the best production I've seen from a Giants offense line in years. Even here, yes, Jones gets hit, but he has plenty of time to get the ball and gets it off. And those were probably the two worst the entire time. The two worst pass reps of pass per reps the entire game, the one where he got hit and the one that I showed before we stepped up through and through the ball through. But yeah, go ahead. If you want to break down any of these, I'm not going to break down these pass protection plays per se. I just want to like talk about this. Look, he takes a shot here and it's just slightly overthrown. I thought Daniel Jones in general, he, he's still kind of putting not enough air under the football. There were like two or three deep throws in this game where I was like, if there was a little bit more air, it would have been easier for Malik neighbors to come down with it. I think we ran like maybe two or three plays ago up the sideline. There was that play. The play, we just saw it's creamed on that play, but the ball is not really close. So from a deep passing standpoint, I think Jones could have took more of a more advantage of the pockets that he was afforded by his offensive line, but he still kept this offense on script, which is something, you know, we're going to acknowledge at this point. But from a protection standpoint, dude, again, you're not going up against great pass rushes. That's one thing that you could say to kind of bring us back, but the pocket was just intact. And when you have Andrew Thomas, who could always just handle a pass and he's going to be challenged by Miles Garrett, for sure. Miles Garrett might see some germano lumen or if they want to move him around. But when you have Andrew Thomas, you can slide protection to the other world, the other direction and just trust him. It's difficult to roll from where I'm at. Sorry, you can get back to that play this and just pause real quick. Look at your main aluminor rep. Look at this aluminor rep. That is such a phenomenal rep from aluminor for those watching on the way he gets into that jump set and just gets his guy covered. This is an example, probably a pocket that not probably definitely a pocket that the quarterback shouldn't have escaped should have just sat in reset. But he didn't have too many of those. This game, Jones, I thought he did a much better job of managing the pocket, much better job. Well, just Jones generally, and we'll get into more of this, but looked so much more comfortable this week, so much more in tune with the game plan. The timing was so much better with the receivers. Some of the passes from a ball placement standpoint were just so, so much better than what they were the week before. And generally speaking, he did execute the game plan, which was kind of keep it underneath and put the ball in the league neighbor's hands early and often allow him to spin out and make these catches after yards after the catch. Look at the pocket on that one right there. This deep, ultimately neighbors, like he never used to get this pocket. And for me, like the biggest difference is, and you mentioned before, and here we're getting to the red zone play, the touchdown in neighbors best, best direction I've seen from the Giants in the red zone in a decade, basically. But you know, the point you're making, which is true, is he did only complete one pass that traveled 10 yards in the air this entire game, Daniel Jones. So it's not like the Giants were really opening it up here against the secondary where Baker may feel tors for 330 and four. But on all the underneath stuff, the ball placement was just so much better from Jones and the timing was just so much better from Jones than it has been for him, both in his past and obviously in week one, which was like a disaster performance. So I really feel like he played well, just all things considered, did what he was basically asked to do. Like, look at these pockets, dude. It's crazy watching this, like, it's not, I'm not used to watching Giants clips, a whole cut up like this, where the pockets are just so good for so long. So many of these plays are like perfect pockets, including three deep balls we showed. We showed three deep balls that were just perfect, but here's another perfect pocket where this one, he probably should hit neighbors underneath. That's a perfect pocket. And I think the biggest difference, Nick, to me, and I'll get your take on this is the interior offensive line. That's where a lot of the issues have started over the years, but that was a great rep right there by Schmitz to come off that and help the left guard there. But I mean, between Schmitz, Runyon, and even to some extent, Van Rotten, though, I think he was the worst of the three, the interior offensive line is just playing at a completely different level than I'm accustomed to seeing. Oh, absolutely. And as I was saying before, having Andrew Thomas, being able to slide Andrew Thomas and he can handle whatever responsibility, as long as those other three guys are and I want to acknowledge this for the YouTube. As long as those other three guys are competent, it's going to allow you to have a successful offense and a successful protection package and the Giants identified that as an issue. They went out and they signed these competent offensive line. I sure it was like Marcus McKethan playing this role. We had to bring Justin Pew up and Justin Pewey and when we liked Justin Pew, but Justin Pewey was like their best off of the linemen by like week six and he just came straight off the count. Like that was the situation the Giants found themselves and in this year, they at least added some offensive lineman to give Daniel Jones the best opportunity to be his best self. And when you also have, I think it was this last play, I don't know if you guys saw it on YouTube, but there was a play where Devin Singletary had an elite play in pass protection to allow Daniel Jones. I think it was the one that we just ran to allow Daniel Jones to get the football off. When you have a six man protection package like that, it's going to allow you to move the football. But again, I don't want to put the car before the horse. I'm very, very intrigued by what we've seen from this protection. This was against Washington and Washington's best edge rusher right now is Dorn's Armstrong who, you know, is what a third edge rusher on a lot of other teams, maybe a two. So we do want to keep things in a perspective with that, but still, man, we're looking at baby steps. We just want baby steps. We want competent baby steps. And these were determined baby steps because the- I would say it was more than a baby step, I call it a minimum a toddler step from this offensive line because I do agree with you. Maybe even more. Preteen step. Sure. Preteen step. Because I do agree with you. And like this is the worst rep right here. And it was just one bad rep almost. And it's like the entire game. And I do agree with you. This wasn't the best, the toughest matchup exterior wise, but interior wise, like that's where I'm really looking. Like, I just, again, you mentioned it best. The guys like Bredison and McCaffin, you know, non NFL players, Bredison, I guess, is sort of- The difference between what we saw last year, between the- it's really the interior for me. That's where they've taken the biggest jump. Because I just am not used to seeing some of the interior clean pockets the Giants had in this game. And it was over and over and over again for Daniel. And that was the fourth, you know, pass that travel 20 yards in the air that Jones threw I think in the game. All four of the passes we just ran were Jones threw the ball over 20 yards. Was perfect pockets. Look at this pocket right here on the first throw of the half, Dari Slaton, of the second half. Like, this is just, I know they have extra guys and pass protection. I mean, the interior is squeaky clean there. And one reason why, too, it was their ability to run the football, because look, this is the play action pass, and they were running the football all game at this point. These play action, look at all these defenders are croaching up to the line of scrimmage, and they're saying, I got to get my eyes on 26, not take one Barkley, but Devin Singletary. Jones has the football and now they're like, oh, I get the rush now. And that's one of the reasons why I think the defense struggles is when the defense can't run fit and the defense has to worry about the run so frequently, they're not going to be pinning their ears back and pass unless they're in obvious past rushing situations. And defense will get into this. There was what? Like two third and 10, two third and 10 plus situations where they did half back draw and the Giants were way out of position and it ended up getting converted by Jane Daniels or often. One yard short in the red zone, but then they were going to go for an up fourth, but then they had the stupid fall start penalty. Yeah, exactly. With the Giants. Before we move past the offensive line, though, I want to ask you if, is that we'll talk about a little more later, I really like the game for Munion, but JMS, that's an early draft pick. A little bit of a struggle in his career with the Giants prior to this game or prior to the season, I should say thought he had a really good game in this game. I really did feel like this was a good version of John Michael Schmitt's. I don't need. I don't expect that. I never expected us to get Creed Humphrey to me. He never had that upside at all, but I thought we would get maybe this version of JMS, somebody who's helping somebody who knows where to be in bass production, who's helping keeping that interior pocket integrity, and just overall doing pretty good on some double team. Just overall a good game. Let's just call it that. What did you think? Was that accurate? Absolutely. I think the offensive line in general all played a good game. Van Rotten is. Zebra Van Rotten. Yeah. He's the weak link, but it was an improvement over week one because he was in week one. So look, if you were to tell giant fans six months ago, not even, hey, they're going to have a competent offensive line, Daniel Jones is going to have pockets to throw the football from. If you were to tell giant fans that, they would have signed up for that. It would have signed up or just to see what the hell the Giants can do. Somehow this is going to say, okay, man, Dan and I are both, Dan and I are both distraught about this loss. We're devastated by this loss. This is terrible for the New York Giants, but this is at least a functional offensive line that will keep the New York Giants in games. We're not just trying to do this just to be positive, but like in all seriousness, we haven't seen an offensive line, like 2022 offensive line was not this, not this at all. Tremaine Luminor is a significant upgrade over Evan Neal from 2022. Mark Lewinsky is a significant downgrade from what we have at left guard and right guard right now. And that's saying a lot because Van Rotten is not playing all that well. Mark Lewinsky was. And if James plays like this, he's a significant upgrade over what we had and they wasn't that bad at center then, but it wasn't as good as what it just looked like on tape. Like you guys just saw that we ran that whole clip through that looked like nothing we've seen from a fast production standpoint in years. And then you combine that with what they were able to do in the run game and how they were able to adjust to the curve balls that the defense was trying to throw at them and you come away, pleased. So I'm pleased by good job, Carmen Brasillo. 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On the Karma Priscilla Front, Nick, look, the Giants are in a weird position here at 0 and 2 with the top schedule coming. It's possible that Brian Dable and Joe Shane may be out at the end of the season or 1 of the two. Brian Dable. I think the Giants are at a point where they need to strongly consider making some kind of offer to Karma Priscilla to keep him on board no matter what happens with the coaching staff because, look, I don't want to put the cart before the horse, but what he's been able to do in such a short period of time with this group, and I'm not even just saying like they're playing to get him to play great football. I'm saying to get him to play cohesively like this, to get him to look like a very, a unit to me, they looked in this game, Nick, here's the best way I can describe this, they looked to me in this game from watching the day, like an offensive line that's played 32 straight games together, and they've played no straight games together, they've played one straight game together, but they look like a team that's been playing, an offensive line that's been playing together forever. That alone has me really eye on Karma Priscilla, and I'll say this one final point about Priscilla. The Raiders Run offense this year has plummeted from an efficiency standpoint. Their offense is not generating anything on the ground, and last year under Priscilla, they had like 100 yard games out as a mere white over and over at the end of last season to end to finish the year, and they can't get anything going on the ground this year. I think that could be somewhat related to Priscilla again, so I just want to make sure he's there, but we can turn, you can talk about that if you want, or we can turn the page to the Singletary. Yeah, let's turn the page to Singletary, I mean, look, I don't want to put the cart before the horse, I want to go to offensive line coach, be a good offensive line coach, pay him whenever he wants. Yeah, okay, and keep him if the regime changes, which we don't know about yet, but I put it together, clip a six Singletary runs, Nick, that were all pretty damn special, to be honest. You can see through these runs why Singletary was, you know, one of the league leaders last year in forced mistackel rate, why his efficient nominal, what's that? Trap Wham baby in the red zone right here for him, man, that's trap Wham, but that's this to me is him. Like a lot of these runs were just him in a lot of ways. Like a lot of backs aren't creating this, turning this into a touchdown to get skinny through that crease and then to make that cut and the contact balance at the end, that's three different defenders who had a chance to stop him and three different defenders who would have stopped probably a bigger back, honestly, like his eyes works to his favor in a lot of ways. And that's just a phenomenal block too by Darius. You're right. Again, like when we sign him, we were saying like this guy is underrated, he's, he's gonna he's not saying Juan Barkley. That's not act as if he is going to be say Juan Barkley, but he's a good professional running back who has really quick feet and he's very decisive. But I just wanted to highlight that block by Darius Layton right there right off the ass. He's able to run and then that's just an insane like he was able to make this defensive back miss right off of the 86. That's cool. Roll it back even a little, if you can, to like the start, if it's by easy. Just look at like, yeah, if you can even get a second for that, it's hard to do next. So I don't, I don't blame you. But like, yeah, about this, like to turn this into a touchdown makes no sense. Yes. And we're going to see that on a lot of these runs earlier in the skip. I had what I thought was his favorite run. The one you put on Twitter earlier as well today did the first run that I put on here. But like, there's just so many runs where they would be negative two, negative one for a lot of running backs. It's easy. He individually did this. It's his feet. And it's his understanding of spatial awareness. And in a lot of ways, it's also the contact balance, the point of attack. You showed before we had that spin move out of the safety. I mean, that's contact balance right there. So is getting through this final, you know, tackler at the end here. And look, he averaged 5.9 yards per carry. When's the last time a giant's running back his average, almost six yards per carry in a game? I can't remember, honestly, um, there probably was a time with Sake one, did it? But yeah, no, I know what you mean. And that's not, it wasn't even not a knock on Sake one. Let me make that clear. I know. I know. But I'm saying, yeah, it's in conjunction with how well the offensive line blocked. Absolutely. Again, this wasn't like he was just ripping off like a 40, 50, 60, no, these were like consistent eight yards, 20 yards here, 12 yards. There were a lot of good runs and a lot of it is him making people miss at the second level. And he's put in that position because he has an offensive line that allows him to get to the second level. Right. And that's how an offense functions or at least a rushing attack functions. And even on a play like that, that plays blown up. This isn't great blocking. This is not great blocking right here, blown up. He noticed it. And he's able to follow Van wrote good job by Van wrote and to create that hole and then find right off the ass of Darius Layton who's cracking down again and six yards. And you made a mention of Darius Layton who's cracking down and making good blocks. Dable. Why he's pointing out today. What? It's why he's playing more than Hyatt. Right. That's what Dable said today. He mentioned Darius Layton's blocking as a big reason why he's the wider receiver too. And Jalen Hyatt is the wider receiver three in this offense. And look, that's a factor. When you're going to run this style offense with a lot of, you know, two wide receiver personnel groupings that the Giants have had in the first two weeks, for whatever reason they've done that, you're going to need your receivers to block. Honestly, dude, all the best offenses have the receivers blocking like the 49ers offense. Like all these great games, the, the, the, the Rams. So I think it's a good sign that Darius Layton once again, proving his worth in that regard Nick. And I'll say this. I won't do a full rant again today. Nick about this, but I'll just never see eye to eye with the people. Like I put up that Devin Singletary cut up Nick because like two minutes of just unbelievable runs, a lot of individual plays and a lot of the responses were just he ruined. He lost us the game with the fumble. And I just, I just never going to see eye to eye with people like that. I respect your opinion. You can have that opinion, but I view football as a hundred play game, not a one play game. And again, like he has one bad play, which, again, I don't even really know if it's a bad play by Singletary. I think it was a phenomenal punch out by the defense by the defender there by the Washington like he had the football, he had the football and the wrong arm and he did, but it's hard to put it back transition. He's making 70s zillion cut there on that and like that's a two yard game for like every other running back, but he turns it into 15 and he fumbles and I'll give him that. It's a mistake, Nick. It is a mistake, but he also did all these other great things. So it's like, do we all hyper focus on the one mistake, which is one play or do we kind of factor it all in? I'm always in the camp of factory and all in. I thought Devin Singletary had a phenomenal game. Of course. Yeah. He played phenomenally and one fumble, which was tragic, but if we're going to blame the loss on any, it's collective football is always a collective sport, but be more mad at the coach for not figuring out the kicking situation when he has someone on his practice squad. And he rolled out a 37 year old who popped up on the end for the defense that didn't force a punt. Oh my God, I know, dude, didn't force a punt. And it's crazy when you when you go into it, when you go through the defensive film, though, there's so many times we're like, oh, they stopped. Oh, no, they didn't. Oh, that's right. The polling penalty. Oh, wait. He ended up coming up with that football. What the hell happened there? Oh, wait. No, he's always scrambled the way of there's 10 yards for Jane day is like maddening that defensive film. And it wasn't even again, man, like Cliff Kingsbury, like we'll get into it on the defensive podcast, but the Giants, they had a couple of plays where they, they took a page out of Cliff Kingsbury's book, just attacking off leverage. I loved how they were able to do that because that's like what Cliff did the entire time. It's like, oh, you want to play off? Because the Giants for whatever reason, they, well, I know what reason they read the routes being distributed and then they attack top down. They're never really impressed, which is a complete deviation from what we saw last year with Wink Marno. They were hardly impressed this entire game, but the Giants on offense took a page out of Cliff's book. If you want to say that, and they just kept running that little quick screen or that little quick hitch, a little quick curl to, to Malik neighbors, Malik neighbors catches it, goes inside and then spins out. It kept taking advantage of that. And it didn't really matter who was covering Malik neighbors. He was, he was the, the dude and we could run through some Malik neighbors plays if we want to at this point. Let's throw it up there because Malik neighbors did a lot of things in this game, some of which we discussed on last night's podcast, Nick, but one that I found out a few more I found out today. He leads the NFL in 20 plus yard plays and almost none of them have been 20 yards thrown in the air. They're all him after the catch. His yards after the catch is unbelievable. He became the first wide receiver to do 15 targets, 200 plus air yards in a game or the second receiver ever. I mean, he is single handedly dominating at the NFL level as a rookie. So here's a few plays. This is the first. Oh yeah. Absolutely love this too. This is the first catch for him. Just create a lot of traffic with confusion. You have Theo Johnson who was on the line of scrimmage and you're going to have the man coverage. Theo Johnson is just going to go right through both of these guys and look at all that traffic that was just created by Theo Johnson. Both of those, those defenders with the running back flaring out, one of them has to go over there. So he's going to be moving to his right. The guy on Malik neighbors going to be moving to his left, the person who was in the middle of the field originally is bailing to a deep half number 11 and then Malik neighbors just comes wide open and was a completely legal play and the role of the field ends up being wide open. Then we're a lot of little releases like this from Bunch or just two man releases where the Giants were able to get Malik neighbors open. Here's a little play action slide. Good job by Daniel Jones and get the football out of his hand very quickly and Malik picks up a decent amount of yardage. So you see this. These are just all of his targets, mind you, but we saw that all game and he had 18 targets. I think in this affair, bro, like a target 69% at the NFL level. When you're earning, when you get 18 targets, it's not because a defense defense or a coach is force feeding you because you're earning them by creating separation. His separation rate, Nick is among the best in the NFL right now. He had like the most plays of at least three plus yards of separation. This game of any wide receiver in the NFL, even you know, he's a phenom. Yeah. Yeah, dude. He's legit. Dude, they've been trying to hit this deep post. They hit it. They whenever they see these quarters and they want to, they want to air it out. They run all this stuff in the middle of the field to occupy the eyes of both of those safeties. They get the cornerback at top of the screen right here outside leverage and they're just running that post. And if, if Jones can deliver this, he's under pressure, he gets, this is the play where he gets demolished. Malik neighbors has that step to the inside, both of those safeties are occupied with the routes that are going on in the middle of the field. So that's going to be a play that they're going to really continue to try to press. That's amazing blitz pickup, by the way, by Devin Singletary who's underrated in that regard as well. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. We'll run it. We'll run it one more time. And it's just, this is not a replay. This is Malik neighbors. Just doing Malik neighbors things, picks him up just long enough to allow Jones to attack that. It's turn his body like that spin out and create another 20 yards after the catch there. Just phenomenal stuff here. This the touchdown. No, this is another player. Yeah, another one. He bails the pocket a little early here, but he's trying to get that fade to Malik neighbors at that point. Yeah, he should be, he should be staying in that pocket and throwing from within the pocket for sure there. Especially with Singletary picking up 20. Yep. That's another really good blitz pickup. That's a good pocket right there at that point. Good pocket. Yeah. Trying to see if you can isolate maybe a couple of examples of that at least this week. I only thought I saw two or three examples of Jones family pockets he shouldn't. He definitely managed them a lot better. Look at the pocket on this Malik neighbors touch. I mean, this is as good as it gets. This is just Jones is just sitting standing back there with the entire all day. He has more time if you want to. Andrew Thomas too, man. Andrew Thomas just stands out of the guy's door and Armstrong and then you have the twist. Look at the right side. Look how well they picked that. Yeah, the left side of the screen. Nice twist. Greg Van Roten ends up falling down when he gets enough of the player to where it doesn't go through the B gap. And then Germano Luminordus picks up to Ron Paine very effortlessly and again, create traffic in the red zone, right? Yeah. There's no question about this throw. I was discussing this with with Giants daily. Do you think that Joan should anticipate this and throw it a little bit earlier? Let's see. Okay with it. I mean, I was okay with it. I ended up scoring a touchdown, but we have a bunch release. It's a delayed release for Wandao Robinson underneath Malik neighbors. Malik neighbors is running underneath Darius Layton. He's waiting to see where 34 is like, yeah, you could say there's going to be a wide open spot there. So yes, you can throw with the anticipation is come out a little bit earlier, but he has a big pocket at the same time. And he just waited, I guess, like a split second longer than maybe it could have come out. I was thinking right. It leave an earlier just as he's making right, like you could throw it right at this moment, and he double kind of burps the baby and double clutches out anyway, though. That's the thing. If we have these kind of clean pockets, it doesn't even matter. He's seeing what 34 is really doing there. And if 34 is going to stick and he didn't and yeah, Malik neighbors is I think he can be 34 to that spot regardless from that point. But yeah, this was this was the driveway where I had a little bit of an issue with Daniel Jones and it was the the drive after the fumble when they went three and out and this was the first player to drive the Giants come out in a stack and they align Malik neighbors outside the numbers. They're just trying to get the ball from the far hash to Malik neighbors again and look at the coverage. You're going to have one player who is within five yards of the line of scrimmage. He can get blocked and then you have the apex defender splitting the difference between the numbers and the hash and then the safety is what 15 yards away on false. So you have a lot of space, attack the space, but that's not a good ball. Now you could say he should catch it, but that ball is in this is an area of the field Nick. If we're being honest with ourselves, we've watched a lot of tape at this quarterback. This is a throw he's struggled to make his entire career, especially as a plate his field side throw. And this is where you can kind of start to see the bad footwork coming to play. Actually, the footwork doesn't even look that horrible on this compared to how he usually throws that, but this air trying to throw that full field, rip it to the sideline throw. He just he missed Barkley against Vegas. He missed a few throws early last week, and this is just another one, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah, unfortunately. Exactly. And this is after the after the fumble that that play that I just ran, it's unfortunate. Yep. Great pocket there for that throw. Speaking of now that we're running in and we got to that point, we've talked neighbors who was absolutely phenomenal in this game, Singletary, another great game, the O line. Basically everyone played, well, there's just two question mark, there's just one question mark and then one evaluation of yours I want. What'd you say? Another stunt twist pickup at this moment. Yeah. They're picking up stunts. This offensive line can pick up stunts and twists and uncomfortably picking up stunts and twists. We haven't seen uncomfortably or not. We haven't seen them pick up stunts and twists with any kind of consistency over the last decade, five years. I mean, it's a long time before we've seen this kind of competent offensive line pass production. That twist isn't nearly as well sold as some of the Brian Flores, Minnesota ones to be fair, but still, man, I'm not going to complain. Yeah. Not to knock them. Yeah, Brian Flores. I mean, you should have seen what Brock Birdie said. He was like, this is the best game plan I've ever seen, basically, with what floor is there. Yeah. I bet on Minnesota win. Nice. Yeah. Nice. But I forgot to believe it was something that didn't end up, but that was one that I was picking it because last year they struggled. I watched the game. You had a money line? Yeah. But again, I think I parlayed it and I don't think I, yeah, hang. Yeah. Exactly. But it was an upset alert. Monday. Like, look, you had Monday night football. Yeah. Right. Short week for San Francisco, San Francisco just put their star running back on IR, no McCafford. We saw what Minnesota did against the Giants. They're riding high. That's their home opener. And we saw what Brian Flores did to Brock Birdie last year. And I watched that tape two weeks ago in preparation for week one. So I had that tape fresh in my mind and I'm like, dude, they're going to struggle against, they're going to really struggle against Minnesota and I think that you didn't go money line. That probably was like plus 200. It probably was. But yeah, I'm a coward, bro, what am I going to do? But anyway, what I wanted to get to was two things. One, what were your thoughts on the lack involvement for tight end Dio Johnson in the passing game? We're going to have, I'm going to have a few questions for you on the tight ends right now. So I charted it and Theo was on the field for 30 passplays, but he blocked on 12 of them and he ran a pass route on 18 of them. So keep that in mind, but Daniel Bellinger, just three snaps in this game, crazy to see what's happened there. That's scary. And then obviously Chris Manner, so long as you'll feel a good compliment of snaps, mostly as a blocker. So we're just thoughts on just how the tight end is operate is used in this offense. It's very obvious the Giants want Theo Johnson to be a thing, you know, they love him coming out of the draft. They thought he was a steal on day three and you could see the appeal to Theo Johnson. I'm a little surprised that Daniel Bellinger isn't getting on the football field and when they put him out there, I think he played four snaps. One was a two point conversion. He was running routes, I think, on all of them, except for one Devin Singletary run. So not even really using what I think is Daniel Bellinger's best asset, which is being a blocker and being physical in the trenches. Now Daniel Bellinger's not Chris Manhertz in that regard. Chris Manhertz is basically like a small offensive lineman who's out there. And I say small tongue and cheek because he's a very large human being. But yeah, I'm surprised that it's not more of a split. And I don't think Theo, and I know, look, we've had Daniel Bellinger on the podcast a few times. So you could probably say, oh, you guys are sympathetic to Daniel Bellinger and I get that critique, but I don't think Theo Johnson looks good out there and I have nothing against Theo. I want Theo Johnson to be Travis Kelsey. That would be freaking amazing for the New York Giants. But there were a couple routes where he slipped and fell down. He's not really getting open, but he's a big body. He is physical enough as a blocker as well, but I am a little, I'm a little shocked that we're not seeing more DV. What about you? Yeah, I'm shocked at that. As far as involvement in the passing game goes, I think you're just being used a lot to block right now. Yeah. It's kind of a fix. And that's kind of spread. Yeah. And this offense right now is pretty simple. It's get the ball to Malik neighbors and get him the ball in space, trying to manufacture space because he'll do the rest and he has done the rest. And I don't think they can necessarily, you know, they haven't been generating a lot of plays that travel 20 yards in the air from a passing standpoint for a while now. So I think this is their best route. Now let me ask you that. As we close out. Andrew Thomas blocking reps started down. Nice. So for those watching can watch Andrew Thomas filthy blocking reps, hopefully put a lot of tape out for you who enjoyed this show, all the past blocking reps, individual reps from Andrew Thomas. Look at Jones here. That targets. Look at John. Oh, that is a helmet right to his right to, like, oh man. And all the Devin Devin's Singletary top runs. But speaking of before we wrap up with Superlives Nick, I want to get your take overall and what you thought from the, you saw on tape from Daniel Jones, the quarterback. Yeah, Daniel Jones was fine. He was Daniel Jones, you know, he's, I still think there's a little bit of a higher ceiling to Daniel Jones than what we saw, but he's leaving throws out there. I don't think he's particularly accurate in the short or the deep part of the field. I think he doesn't put a lot of touch on the football. He kind of drives it in there a lot of the time. And there were certain throws where I felt like it was necessary to drive it in there. But there were also some words like if you've just put a little bit more air under it and allow Malik neighbors to run underneath it, that would have been six possibly. And he left those plays on the field. So from a deep passing standpoint, I wasn't necessarily encouraged, but he was able to operate the offense. He seemed very poised and very comfortable in the pocket. The offensive line had something to do with that. But he was also stepping up when he had to against those high side rushes. So overall, I came away, you know, thinking he's fine. He's Daniel Jones, but I, there is a cap ceiling with this quarterback and that hasn't really been a secret for the last like three or four years at this point. Yeah. I think you described this actually perfectly. I thought he played well, given. He's a tough as well, man. He's a tough as well. Yeah. I thought he played well. He executed zone reads well. He I thought for him. So what I'm wondering is I thought he played well, Nick, but how much of it has been just, you know, Mike, me being conditioned to seem to be quite frank, pretty bad quarterback play over over his career, individually speaking. And then as my bar set so low that like it was well, it was good, but he's really not executing much. He's not throwing it because he didn't have any completions 10 plus yards, right? He had one come or one that Dari Slaton one. And when we tried to come up as we'll go to next with our superlatives for the best throw of the game, we had to look at each other before the show and be like, what was the best throw of the game? Because there weren't really any great throws in this game. We'll come up with one, but it was mostly just neighbors have with that said, last week was so bad that I thought he played well in the sense that he looked comfortable in the pocket. He was massively cleaned up from where it was at Nick, massively cleaned up footwork. And then three, the big one for me is the ball placement on those passes to neighbors was so much better than what I'm used to with Jones. A lot of the times on those short passes to neighbors or whoever the receiver was over the years, Nick, the ball placement would be behind the receiver or it would be at the receiver and the receiver would have to stop his momentum and then we would lose any chance of yak. I felt like Jones did a good job. Now they are all short throws five, six, seven, eight yards or whatever in the air, but I thought he did a good job of making those throws in front of the receiver in front of neighbors so neighbors could catch the pass and then do something with it after the pass. And I think that's part of why. So like I've always made the case, Nick, that yards after the catch is not only a wide receivers that it's a quarterback set to. So I want to give Jones credit when a receiver is as many yards after the catch his neighbors had, I think part of it. And I think the film shows it was that Jones did a good job of throwing the ball in front of the receiver of this game or at least a much better job than what I'm accustomed to watching him. I mean, yeah, like that's like baseline things, like, you know what I'm saying? I know exactly what you're saying. Yeah. It's baseline stuff that you expect from a quarterback, but we haven't been getting it a lot and we haven't gotten a lot over his career and it's led to a lot of bad passing games. And I think in this one, he was able to get what was at least get what was drawn up for him, right? In week one, he couldn't keep the passing game on time in rhythm. He wasn't even able to get what was drawn up for him in this game. He was able to get what was drawn over them. Like, you know how people say game manager Nick to describe some quarterbacks in the NFL? He perfectly played the game manager role in this game perfectly, right? Like everything they would, not perfectly, right? I mean, like, didn't hit the deep balls that he could have hit with all with good pockets. And he missed a couple of other throws, like, you know, the one you showed earlier, the one where neighbors was crossing and he tried to go over the middle. It wasn't perfect, but it was a so much better than week one man. And this was, yeah, you can win a game with this kind of management style at quarterback. You really can, especially the neighbors. Yeah, you can argue the giant should have won the game. They should have won. And he would have played a role in that win. Absolutely. And in other factors, week one, I thought he was one of the worst players on the field and one of the big reasons giants lost this week. He was not even one of the top, like five, six, seven, eight reasons why they lost. For those Madden players out there, this is a play that you probably run a lot in the red zone. It was the Malik neighbors first touchdown. It's called bunch trail. Now I love this because you're going to have Darius late and clear out. He is the number two receiver on that bunch who is on the line of scrimmage, released to the inside and then run a flag, drag that one defender away. And now you have a two V two and twenty five is basically eliminated from this play. He's going to work underneath Darius Layton, Darius Layton is not even an option because the play is going to the middle of the field. And you're going to have Malik neighbors, who's originally the number three, run a slant right behind Darius Layton with the delayed release from, oh no, he's the number one. I'm sorry, with the delayed release from the number three receiver, meaning the inner most receiver. Juan Dale Robinson. So basically at this point, you have three receivers who are in a direct vertical line. It's pretty cool, right? Because you don't know where exactly they're all going. So those four Washington defenders are all like, I'm not sure exactly what's going on or what my assignment is in this very condensed area. And then you have that fourth, the inner most defender, where are his eyes on eight? Because you got to worry about eight. So he's basically operating as a quarterback spy. So Malik neighbors is able to dart right over to the middle of the field right behind that quarterback spy and then find space, neighbors does a good job kind of fading into the end zone. And Jones, again, delivers the football well played. People might say it's a little late. It's fine. It's fine. I'm not going to really ding them for that. And then Juan Dale Robinson, if neighbors were to be covered, he ends up running out and then just follows Malik neighbors path. I've been, I've called this a follow concept before it's punch trail though in Madden and I've seen a lot of smart people refer to this as bunch trail. And you can see Juan Dale was also open if Malik neighbors wasn't so wide open. So I love this. Yeah. I have to say one more time Nick, like, look at this pocket that Jones has the throw from here. This is phenomenal stuff like just phenomenal. It's the clean. It's the cleanest pocket I've seen in a red zone for the Giants and so frickin long. This is as good as it gets really for me from a from a protection standpoint. And the defensive play call worked in the Giants favor to you have title and Tracy in the game. He's just going to wear out. He's going to remove one defender. That's the defender next to that defender. So basically the middle of the field is wide open other than the quarterback spy when you have all that confusion and that traffic to the bunch side. No one gets inside leverage on Malik neighbors. Who the hell is going to cover him? The quarterback spy is not paying attention to that nobody. That's why it was an easy touchdown. Yep. Great design by David. Great call this time against this defense and then just unbelievable job by the Giants pass production there to create that opportunity. Let's get to some superlatives next and close out there. I want to hear who your unheralded player was. I think we have a similar guy here but I'm not positive. I didn't see yours before doing this. Yeah. I went with Andrew Thomas and it's weird because he could have been the best player and you're not going to hear any complaints from me. It's just I love watching him play football because he is so good and we've seen him develop through these years. Like his rookie season was a little rough, right? I was like, oh, he got a little bit better at the end of the season. That's fine. Second season we're like, yo, he's good. He might be like a top 10 tackle. This is pretty dumb by the end of the second season. They're like, yo, we might got a guy too bad. The Giants suck. That's kind of consistent throughout a lot of these years, mind you. And then 2020, 2022 comes around. We're damn good. We're rolling. We start talking about top five consideration last year he was hurt and now he's back post injury. The guy looks phenomenal. Now I'm not grinding through the tape of all 32 teams, but I'd be a hard press to say that there are, you know, six tackles in the league. Two, three. I would be hard pressed to say two or three, honestly. Yeah. Yeah. So not that I'm grinding in the tape, but very tackling. Yeah. I know. Try Williams. And then I don't know how many more. It's how comfortable he is. It's, it's, it's his stop and start to man. Like I get like, even if it's a quick set, man, if it's a jumpset, he jumps out to, to cut off the angle of that wide rusher. And then he is just like a, a python just waiting to just snatch the guy, right? And he's using a lot of patience in that he's being very disciplined. And then whenever that pass rusher makes its move, whether it's to the outside, is he trying to attack the half man? Is he trying to use power? Good luck. He knows how to mitigate that whenever someone does try to bull rush him. He absorbs it. He just takes it in and he just acts as a wall and just stones this dude. So yeah, I went with Andrew Thomas. I feel like these, these past two games has been sensational. Too bad. The Giants. Yeah. Yeah. I just really hope it doesn't turn into a Joe Thomas situation for Andrew Thomas, Joe Thomas being the, you know, whole of fame tackle for the Cleveland Browns, former Wisconsin Badger. By the way, I get to this in a second, who just, you know, had a whole career with the, the bad Browns. And it's basically they wasted Joe Thomas's career, essentially. By the way, you've seen how good Leo Chanel has been, right? Oh, God. Do you see that rep where he basically out operated as a defensive tackle and took on a double team. I mean, we took what Cordell Flott over him. Stop. We did. And me and you said that Leo Chanel was a top 50 player in that class. And we were dead right about that. And Joe Shane should have taken Leo Chanel there to be completely honest. Joe Shane's 20, 20. Yeah. The 20, 20, 20. How much better would our run defense be with Leo Chanel? Doesn't he matter where you put him? How much better would our shit run defense be? Sorry. Damn it. I did it with Leo Chanel. It'd be a lot better. It'd be a lot better. But you know what? The NFL said, Joe Shane included. We can't draft this. I don't want to do that voice. We can't draft this guy because he doesn't play the position that, that he doesn't fit what this position is supposed to be right now, linebacker. How about he's just a great football player who looks unbelievable and tape. How about that? You'll figure out how to use him in your defense. That's what good teams do. That's why the Chiefs have been winning so much, dude. They're finding mid-round picks that other people don't think fits the bill, but they do fit the bill because they're good football players. Some of these corners they've taken, the Jerry Snead, guys over the years, dude, that they've drafted that are undersized or don't fit like Leo Chanel that actually are just great football players. And it just pains me to see it. It pains me, too. And again, man, I don't want to kick Cordell Flop while he's down, but he looks terrible out there. I know. And there were plays that you don't even really realize. But then when you turn on the tape, you're like, "Oh, that 40-yard rush by Brian Robinson Cordell Flop actually tried to go for the football instead of going for the stop." And he just falls off. And it ends up being a 40-yard. The Giants actually bottled them up there. There was just a wall that Brian Robinson couldn't find anything. And he's the contained defender on the edge. He goes to the edge, and Brian Robinson runs right through him. And it's just-- and in that situation, I don't know if Andrew Phillips was dealing with something. I don't think Drew Phillips was on the field for that point. Now, to talk too much about the defense, we'll handle that in the next pod. But why would you have Cordell Flop out there on a third one and not Drew Phillips in this run support situation? That doesn't make any sense. And it doesn't really make any sense. Scary times for the Giants defense right now, honestly, because this Washington offense is not good. And it's going to be exposed by plenty of defensive coordinators in the Giants. And you saw that through the game, too, man. Why? They didn't look good. Like, the Giants screwed this game up big time royally. They should have been so much further along from a defensive standpoint, and they would have won this game easily. Easily they would have won this game. I think Cliff called a good game. Without a kicker. Yeah. Cliff called a good game, though. For him, he called a good game. I still think his offense is ridiculous. Like the fact that Terry McLaurin has, like, eight targets, six catches in 24 yards through two games is absolutely ridiculous. And Jayden Daniels is somebody who can throw the ball down field. I like some of the calls will go over at the Earth's call, like that that route that got to Earth's open. I think it was a sailor. I don't remember if I'm really on the game, but he had some good calls occasionally and he played Bowen. He beat Bowen. But, like, the design of that offense to me is not good long-term at all and does not work in today's NFL or any NFL, really. The Giants have been down bad trying to cover these three-man route concepts. I know. Dead concepts to one side of the field. Yeah. They're not good at that right now. But back to the perlatives. We'll do defense next spot. Let's do unherald a player for me. I'm giving it to John Runyon. That's my guy. I thought I played a phenomenal game. Zero pressure is given up according to Pro Football Focus. I don't know if that's exactly true. I'd have to go run back through him, but I think it's probably close. No hits. No sacks. Look good in the run game at times. John Runyon is a guy who, I think, could end up being a hit from a free agent standpoint. And the Giants haven't had any free agent hits on the offensive line. And they've tried so many times to get a free agent hit, Lewinsky, you know, the dude that the guy Gedelman, the two gentlemen brought in, soldering, and Omame. It's just years of trying to bring in free agents on the offensive line failing. Maybe they finally figured out there, "He's my guy. What's your best throw you saw in the game?" I think it was the one Darius late in one. Again, I didn't really think there was a particular throw that stands out. And Omame saying that to chastise or besmirch Daniel Jones telling you what you saw. Yeah, like some of the throws that seem simple, they're fine. But again, they're like fine. If you turn on Jacksonville, who looks like shit right now, they look terrible, you're going to find Trevor Lawrence throws where you're like, "How did he make that throw?" That is insane, right? That isn't something that really happens with the Giants, just to be frank. No, that hasn't happened with the Giants for five years with the exception of the first air slate and throw against Tampa and his first game ever, the throw to Hodgens in the playoff game. There's probably a handful of five to six to seven. I would say there's more than that, but in the whole time Daniel Jones has been the starting quarterback. Maybe more. Maybe more. I have no idea, but it's not a lot, obviously. Like for me with Daniel Jones, it's just, "Can he keep this offense on script right now?" Yeah, and he did that in this game. Yes, and can he connect on some of those big throws when he has the one-on-one that field. He didn't do that. And he didn't do that in this game, unfortunately. I appreciate that he is able to diagnose that he has the one-on-one because they were rotating their safeties. Yeah, a lot. Pretty snap. You know, showing too high, rotating on one high, and then it's on him to be like, "Okay, I have the one-on-one. Let me throw it." It's just he has to get the football there. And I appreciate that the Giants past protected really well on all those deep shots that Daniel Jones, though. He got hit on one of them, but he still had the time to get the ball out there before the hit. And on the other three, he was pure clean pockets for those three deep shots. So I appreciate the offensive lines providing those. Hopefully Jones can start to get more accurate on those deep balls. Me and you have maintained for a while that the one-time PFF put that number out. Like Daniel Jones, the most accurate deep ball passer, was one of the worst stats ever because it really convinced the fan base of something that I really thought they'd be able to see with their eyes. But Daniel Jones has not been a good deep ball passer. The anticipation, the timing, like you said, he doesn't put enough loft on these passes. The velocity's not there on a lot of these throws. And we've just simply never seen wide receivers hit in stride for touchdowns with the exception of very few plays. This one's probably in the five to 10 range over his career, Nick, if we're going to be honest, for in-stride touchdown catches. Tyrone Taylor did it back-to-back weeks to end the season, Lesher. It's not something that's crazy hard to do. Like you can never do it. Some of these routes, like two of these Malik neighbors' routes today, he could have potentially hit him in stride for a touchdown. It was purely clean pockets. If you just put the ball in front of him with loft, neighbors are going to outrun the defender at the end of those routes, right? Yeah. Yeah. I would say so now. That's not chastising him. Yeah. Some of them, I'm not sure if they would have went for six. The ball might have had to have been optimally placed. This is not a great deep ball thrower yet. Hopefully you can improve it. The past production's there, so he's ever gotten every opportunity. For me, the best throw was the same one that you pointed out. It was the first play of the second half. They're slating on a little comeback route. 19 yards. Yeah. I put it on Twitter, 19 yards. A perfect pocket for this off the play action. You said the run game helped set it up. He had three steps into the throw because he had such a good pocket, but he did put the ball out there in the right spot to slating. It was the outside shoulder. It was good drive on the ball. It was great ball placement. The timing, most importantly, was right. It came to him as he gets out of his break on the comeback. That's what I want to see. Rythmic timing, base passing out of Daniel Jones. He did that this game. He wasn't really asked to do much more from a one pass. That was 10 plus yards in the air, but on the short stuff, the rhythm was good. For what he is, this is a very good game for him. Best overall player. Yeah. This is fun because it's not just going to be Andrew Thomas every game for us. It was Mike Neighbors, 100% in this game for me. Yeah. Same here. Look at the fumble. No, no. This is the second drop. The drop. Yeah. Yeah. The drop. Yeah. Sorry. I'm getting it mixed up with Darius Lane. The drop. Yeah. So the Giants quit. What the? Oh, okay. Yeah. Jerry, what's the deal with the drop? No. Yeah. The fact that they're able to do this in like, second NFL game also speaks to Malik neighbors. The confidence that I'm like neighbors, you know, I think you're going to be confident in your best player. So that that I'm not as now. It does prove that mentally they trust him as well, but he accepted responsibility for that drop. That we're seeing from neighbors, if you want to call it off the field has been positive when it comes to his desire to win football games is his driving force. So that's another aspect of this kid that I'm intrigued by. Yeah. His desire to win football games also his ability to understand football concepts, right? His football IQ, because we've been hurt. We've heard this often described this very difficult to pick up in the past for other receivers. He's not only picked it up fast, he's picked up being the focal point of the offense fast. Like, Daris Tony couldn't even run the right route and he ran into David Sills, right? Like, we had players used to run into each other in this offense, how we have a guy who can get 18 targets in a game. I remember week one of 2022, we post game. I just looked at you and I was like, like, when we came on stream yard and I was just like, cause Daris Tony doesn't know the playbook. He was first. I said, I was like, Daris Tony does not know this. 2021, I believe not to to know it was 2022. Oh, the playoff year? Yeah. He was on the team. It was time when he ran into David Sills. Yeah, it was in the Carolina game. Oh, it was week one of that year. I thought Titans were week one of that year. Yes. Week two, it was. Oh, yeah. I thought you said week one. That was what confused me. Okay. I mean, are you right? Yeah. Well, he ran into David Sills in week two, but week one, it was obvious because he played like seven snaps and a reaction slide and it was like, hey, just run, run to this area. There was nothing complex about what he was doing. It was very obvious that he didn't know the playbook and at the time we were probably just like blaming it on the coach or something. No, not. And we went on here and we said, I don't think, you know, the play. No, we weren't. I shouldn't say we. I didn't mean us. I mean, like the fan base. When I say we, I meant like the collective D is the fan base. We're like, what's going on with the coaching staff? They can't get carriers. Sony involvement. It's like, actually, it was the player and they knew it. And they knew it. They knew it for a long time. They drafted one day on that. We were like, Oh, that's a good point. You have KT. Like, I think I used the word peculiar. I was like, yeah, it's peculiar that you went and kind of got a, I don't want to say a redundant skill set, but a smaller-ish wide receiver who may be best utilized in the slot. But the reason why is because I don't know how long this KT guy is going to last. And Juan Dale actually knows the playbook and he's tough and we, and those are the type of like character traits that I buy into when it comes to that thing. You don't want a player like a Darius Tony on your team, obviously. Yeah. It was a horrific traffic by the last GM. Now with that said, we didn't talk about it much, but great route. I thought by Wanda Robinson on his touchdown, just fun watching him create that kind of separation. I think we showed the route earlier during that past production breakdown. All right. Let's get to player we expected to see more from in this game. Yeah. So here's the Wanda Robinson route for those who are watching on YouTube. Jalen Hyatt. No, it's just, we don't see Jalen Hyatt out there. So I just kind of wanted to bring that up. Jalen Hyatt is not my answer. It's not his fault. He's not getting on the football field, presumably it's just the Giants have receivers and Darius Layton is a better blocker. And I think that's the primary reason why we're not seeing Jalen Hyatt, but it does suck because I was pretty damn high on him going into this season, actually having a role and his role is very limited. And I'll say this one final thing, just watching this touchdown pass to Wanda. My guy would be Theo Johnson as well, even though he passed or I'm sorry, that you talked about Hyatt. My guy would be Theo Johnson because I'm not going to blame that on Hyatt, but I just wanted to talk about the Jalen Hyatt situation. Yeah. It's something where it's on our minds. I'll say this. It's just fun to watch this. It's funny to watch this. Wanda Robinson TD, because we just ran the play last week, where it was like a similar quick out to Wanda Robinson and Jones just skied the ball way over his head. Look how much more comfortable Jones looks making this throw to this game and look how much better the ball placement and the timing and the rhythm is on this throw. It's like watching night and day. He was, I think, you know, he does a good job. Jones mentally of bouncing back after bad games, but he was literally rattled. He legitimately was rattled in week one. Like you don't miss throws the way he missed that out route to Wanda Robinson in the third quarter of the first game and then make it routine and these are routine throws. Like this is not a difficult throw, obviously, but you still need to have timing. You still need to have ball placement. He does a great job of that here. So just good to see Jones settle down as the quarterback, right? Like comfortable. Yeah. Yeah. He looks, he looks very comfortable and Wanda almost dropped that, which would have been disastrous. Oof. Oof. But he didn't. He caught it. He caught it. Let's wrap up with some of the fun stuff. Pass blocking grade, Nick, pass blocking grade one through ten and you know I hate grades that don't involve decimals. Yeah. So I added a 9.1 for you and it could have been even higher. So I have a 9.1. God, did you see my, you didn't even see, you couldn't have seen mine. It's on a separate dock that you don't have access to. I had 9.1. Oh, 9.1. It was my same one blocking grade. It's going to be the weirdest thing ever. Okay. You don't. I just checked. Just peeked over. Okay. Give me your run blocking grade. I'm blocking. So I mean, we're talking about 9.1 pass blocking, 8.7 run blocking. I can say this with certainty and I can't say this with certainty because I'm not going back and checking the notes or the date. But I can say based on memory, this is the highest single grade pass blocking we've ever given the Giants and the highest single grade run blocking we ever given the Giants. The latter, I think there's maybe been some close ones over the years. The former, the pass blocking, we've never said the word not. We've never uttered the number nine to start our grade. If now, run blocking. I'm thinking back. Maybe were we doing superlatives back when Wayne Gollman ran all over Seattle? Oh, this Seattle Wayne Gollman game. Holy crap. That should have been like a nine four from one blocking that game. It was just power, power, counter, counter dude. They were running the football down there. Yeah. It was pretty nice. Just took it to him. That was it. That was like a nine four. Boy, man. It was the Colton Koi. That was crazy. They beat Russell Wills in that game. That's how long it was. Drop A, that was the defensive plan and it worked. It worked and it maybe figured out how to stop Russell for the rest of his career. Who knows? We'll see if he plays again for the Steelers this year, but anyway, thank you so much for tuning into Big Blue Panther. I keep forgetting now, Nick, to ask for it, but like and subscribe the video, hit that like button. Please help us grow the show, support the show. Like and subscribe. You just have to click like. So you watched this already. You made it all the way here an hour in. Now just finish the job for us. Click the like button. It's all we ever ask. Thank you and have a great rest of your week. [BLANK_AUDIO]
