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Clean Eats, where you can meal prep or you can just go buy lunch or dinner. I had lunch there yesterday. Did you? Yeah, it was delicious. Yeah, I got flatbread. I'm real wet. This is-- Hi, I'm Sam. There you go, next up. Apparently, Sam had lunch at Clean Eats. So good. Honestly, too, I got there. They have coffee drinks, and I had no idea until I went in the store. And I think it's new. I could be wrong about that. But I got a caramel macchiato. What? And I never get those. It was so good. It had 20 grams of protein in it. Yeah. For like that, I don't know. Yeah. But it was delicious. And of course it was. I was like, treat yourself. It was. I was like, treat yourself. But the food is so good, too. No, the food is good. Don't make the food hot for you fresh like a restaurant, or you can check out all their freezers. And we were having a team meeting there. So they were like, NFM team, what's up? And they treated us for good. Well, an adult team had a-- Oh, yeah, I wish I was on the NFL team. NFM team, and I wasn't there for months. It was really a meeting like a Terry's been like a mentor of mine since before he started the magazine, or bought the magazine. So we just were having like a-- Mentor party. Yeah. Yeah. It was like a lot of things about life and stuff. It's funny because Terry has never mentored me. Well, I kind of just gave him that title. He never said, like, let me-- I'm going to break you in a second. But I feel like, yeah, you know-- He never said, I'm going to be your mentor. I just decided that he was. You should have made that decision. I'm learning so much here. I'm learning so much here, Jeff. There's secret meetings that they're having about it without you. We always talk about you. Apparently mentorships. You didn't want any more responsibility. That's true. OK. Touche. Anyway, back to Clean Eats. They took great care of us. Never mind, Jeff, about our meeting world, you know. If you haven't been to Clean Eats, you should check it out, though, because it's really clutch, especially if you don't like to cook, or you just don't have time to cook, or you're like me, and it's like, I like to cook, but when there's other people, but I live alone. So Clean Eats. Terry's giving me the look that they didn't pay for that hat. So we're going to have to-- Oh, I just like-- I'm totally kidding. She's like, hey, I've got to cut all that out because they didn't pay for that part. I don't get paid for any of the things that I represent on Instagram, but I like the things. Catch me up, Si, what's been going on in your world? Well, I moved into a little bit closer to town, and I love it. I'm so happy that I don't have to commute to work every day. If you walk, you don't walk in the distance. I can. Yeah, I'm walking distance from where I work. Well, you work. Yeah, we're not going to put you out there, but-- Yeah. You're almost-- it was like, yeah, but we don't want-- Oh, I don't really want people to know. Yeah, we don't want people to pop in. I don't know who out there, like-- Hey, you never know. You want to hurt me? Maybe they don't want to hurt you. Maybe they don't want to love you. Maybe that's what stands out there. Also weird, you don't need to know where I need to live to love me. That's probably worse. It's way worse. I've seen it on shit shit. Just pop it out, yeah, just pop it out. It's right, just pop it out. I haven't ever had a stalker, but I've had scary things happen with people, so yeah. So you have a question. It's happened to a lot of women. Have a question. How do girls talk to girls? Like talk to girls? There's a girl out there that's like, man, savage, gorgeous. Do you guys call yourself gorgeous? I don't know. Why? And then do you just like, is it a DM slide? Is it like in person, like a guy, like a walk-up? It's like, you wouldn't. I mean, I've also observed, like, women hitting on women. I personally feel like I have to just be direct and be like, hey, listen, I don't know if you're into it, but I would love to take you to dinner or something like that, because if I don't make it clear, it's like I could be talking to a straight girl and she might not be getting the hint. So usually what happens if they're straight or they're not into me, like, I've learned to take rejection well because of that. And a lot of the time, like, they are straight or just not into me, so they'll politely say, like, oh my god, I'm so flattered, but like, I'm not, I'm into guys. And I have no issue with that, and I've become friends with girls that I've had on like that, but I don't do, I've seen the whole, like, hey, girl, you know, like, I don't do that. I don't have that, you know. Do you want me to do the hand rub? No, no, no, you don't. You have a go-to line? No, no, go-to line, like, yeah. No, I'm just like, hey. Did it hurt? [LAUGHS] Never, no. No, it just doesn't come naturally to me. Like, I'm a very romantic person, but like, I'm not a fake person. And a lot of that stuff doesn't work when guys do it with women. It's all about, it's all about the smile. I can get you to smile. Gotta be just yourself. Get out. Well, sometimes. If you're not a creep, genuinely. Sometimes me and Jeff will just sit over here in flex, though, and just like, I'll sit right here for long enough. And if I catch you again. That only goes so far, though. Do you give a life? Your wife, I know, tested you. You gotta, you know, you gotta give them the, we call it in the black community, the light skin eyes. This is quite sad. You know, a great way to go about it is to be around that person and like, drop subtle hints. You know, like, if you have a gym crush, it's like, don't hit on somebody at the gym. OK, you just drop weight next to him. No, you just smile. Oh, good. Hold on. You just like, make our contact and smile. We're gonna jump into the podcast here. And I know we have to get into the basket of debate. Yeah. Here's my, I don't know what you have over there. Here's my debate topic, which is on topic. And you can-- We do have a basket. First of all, we're here with this, with Jeff Black, who's all you have is a better beard than Terry. Yeah, let's talk about Jeff. But before we jump into Jeff and your story, here's my question. Is it OK to approach someone at the gym? Romantic your approach? No. You say no, Jeff. How's the gym owner? I see it happen all the time. So is it-- Yes? Does it ever work? Does it-- oh, doesn't it work? Romantic's happened. Yeah. So I mean, it can be a little young in the restless, little young kids in our life, and it's going to bond. Definitely gets the way people are going. But I think if love-- love, then who are you going to be able to stop that? How can you approach someone without it being creepy at the gym? Oh, how that is the skill in itself. Like, I see-- I just think it has to-- There's a class. It has to be matching energy. Because you got to get time with a tripod. Yeah. And like, we really have to get that. Yeah, you got to get time in. Because I can't walk up the side of the middle of her friends while I was like, yo-- I'm just not in that mindset. Right. But I am. To date? So you go to the gym, and you're like, I don't miss it. No, where's my camera? Just my-- I am heavily married. Right. I just want you guys to know, babe, I'll see you later. Um, I'm saying, like, I was speaking as if, like, Rocissa-- Right. --and I'm like, yo, she's attractive. Mm-hmm. And we know-- even when you're in your gym, maybe I'm not coming back, or maybe I don't go to the gym all the time, or maybe I'm going to-- it's 9 o'clock, I'm usually not here at 9 o'clock. So I may never see you again. Sure. I got to shoot my shot. When is the right time to shoot my shot? Following you out is creepy. So I can't say wait until after the-- I get out. Because then I'm walking you out, and you're like, sir, oh, no. [LAUGHS] Right? Can't stop you in the middle of your workout. Because, like, you said, like, you're dialed in. Like, I see you're dialed in. Yeah. But do I say, hey, you want me to squat? I'm trying to think of, like, what would work for me if I was in the middle of my workout? Because I talk about this with other women. Because it happens all the time still. And then we literally have said, like, why do guys, like, still try this? Like, I think approach matters. So I'm trying to think of-- and guys aren't hitting on me at the gym. I give off a vibe. But if one was to hit on me-- What if a girl hit on you? We won't be the right time. And drop me. And drop some-- man, that's-- If you're OK, like, if you know Jim Etiquette, and like, like, if you were to walk in front of me while I'm squatting or something, I'd be pissed. And I'd be like, I can't date you. Because you just want me to squatting. You know? Yeah, you cut them here. Or you, like, started putting plates on, like, right in my space or something. Just like nicely bending over in front of you. Like, they're just putting this-- Yeah, I typically can let those things go. But if you're about to hit on me, like, it's not going to happen. But what if it's, like, I think it'd be really smooth? Because people are in the zone. They're dialed in at the gym, right? They don't want to be bothered. I usually hate when someone is, like, you know, trying to talk to me and, like, hi, and what do you want? What if you, like, slipped a note with your phone number on it or your Instagram or something? And then they can do with that what they will, what's not weird about that. What's that working on you, Saf? If I thought she was attractive. So that's-- And she was like-- So I think that's the thing. That's smooth. I think that's the thing. So her-- I heard on another-- I don't know if you guys know who La La Anthony is, right? No. She's an actor. She used to be married to Carmelo Anthony. And so someone asked her, like, her son plays basketball as well. She's like, is it OK if a guy approaches you at the game, right? And she was like, is it appropriate as to what they asked her? And she was like, at one of your son's games. And she was like, you know, if I'm being honest, like for women, if he's attractive, I'm gonna try to get to him. It doesn't matter when you approach me, because I'm into it, right? It's like, if I'm not into you, it can be the perfect set. And I'm still not gonna talk to you. She's like, I'm not-- I may not spend a lot of time. But if I'm in my son's playing, you walk up to me and sit down, and I'm gonna try to get to you, I'm gonna give you some play. Maybe like, hey, here's my number. I'll catch up with you after the game. So I think the same thing at the gym. I'm gonna get her attractive. Like, first, like, we're gonna have to catch eyes. We're gonna have to try to catch you. So you know that I know that you know that I'm looking at. Right, right. After that, most girls will kind of give you that turnaround. Like, we call eyes, and it's kind of like-- And then I'll go and try-- OK, I got her. Now, I seem to figure out when I should go talk to her, because it can't be the middle of a set. I think it's-- I just have a different perspective. I agree with you, but I think where my head is at, as far as, like, having-- I also work at a gym, and I work out at the gym that I work at. And for example, there was a girl working out right in front of me. Like, directly my eyes-- she's doing RDLs in front of me. So she's sticking her butt out. It works. And I'm also a coach. So it's really important to me. I still fix the form. I know. I literally-- I was like, if I could go somewhere else, I would. But like, I just don't want to look in her direction, because I don't want to give off any vibe that I am like, you know, what's the word, fraternizing at the gym. Just because I like to keep it professional. Right. I'm also, you know, gay. So I don't get approached by men as much. And I hear from my straight friends what it's like to have straight men hit on them at the gym. Most of the time, it's the approach. So if you're going to make eyes, make sure you're making eyes. And you're not running your eyes up and down her body. Or like, form correcting her, or going, you need a spot. She probably doesn't want your spot, like. But if you approach it, like, classy. Yeah. And you're not doing it when she's leaving or going into the locker room or being like, all like, you know, like, I'm Mr. like, I already know I'm going to get her number or whatever, like-- I mean, if I have a good pump, though, I can see how to see it. Sure, you might be talking to a girl who does not care that you have a good pump. Yes, I mean, she can't not see the pump. Come on, let's be-- I mean, you're at the gym. You're at the gym. She's probably going to notice it. But yeah, I do think, like, at the end of the day, you both have to be attracted to each other for it to be appropriate. And for it to be inappropriate, one person is just not attracted to the other person. And you probably approached it weird. We're going to jump into what we call the basket of debate. Now, this is pretty funny. That got me sweating. I'm not going to lie. That was a swoop. High person. [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] Wow, he is really going to lie down. All right, we got to tell you what we call the basket of debate. It's going to be an open-ended question. And we'll just kind of debate it. We'll pass it around. You ready? Oh, yeah. That's right here. You have it. So-- Here you go. Si, what are you thinking about over there? It's a girl at the gym. No. No, no, no. [INTERPOSING VOICES] We're at the basket sitting right here. She's like, oh, the basket. Yeah, yeah, yeah. About that. I mean, you don't need to get that. No, I'm just, like, actually reflecting back in my head what I said, just to make sure I was like, OK. Well, apparently-- I don't want anyone to get the wrong answer. I just have a good one. Well, what you got? Let's go. So I have driver's choice of music versus passengers right to DJ who gets control. Who's car? That's first, right? Like, is it Uber? Not soon when you're driving, you pick up with someone. Oh, yeah. It's got to be the driver's choice. The driver's choice, yeah. Back in my single years and my 30s, I had a joke with my friends. I would pick up girls on a date listening to cannibal corpse and have it real low and see how many songs it would take before the girl would ask me what exactly I was listening to. And most of the time, it never got passed to. So-- So-- So I would that point because I was on the date, let them control the car radio. So I feel like it's subjective, depends upon what you want the outcome to be. So, Jeff, for the black people in the room, what is cannibal corpse? It is an extreme death-- I don't know why they're here. Got you. OK. You're assuming as much as the death-- [INTERPOSING VOICES] Yes. OK, you know when he's going through it to the whale, 100 people, and the band's like, er, er, er, er. Yeah. And he's like, having it? That's cannibal corpse. We need to go sometime. You may want to go home. I would love to say Geraldle at a cannibal corpse. Yeah, let me be very clear about something. There is one genre of music that I hate. What? And it is that. [INTERPOSING VOICES] No, bro. Really? No. Like, it's a reason they used it. I don't know. I think, Amash, it would be a good outlet for you. No, they used it for torture. What are you talking about? I can see Gerald tearing up Amash bit. That is crazy. No, man. I don't know what that is. You worked out together. I put that in years. You had to smack your back a few times, and you're off the race. I think you had it. You were out of the gym. I think you would have fun in Amash bit. I think it would be a huge outlet for you. I can see him crouching. I can see him punching, guys. Yeah. How are you doing? Yeah. Do you see what they're doing out there in Amash bit? Yeah. I don't have the temperament. You are pretty and all bad. You feel like you didn't enjoy it. I don't know. Look at your arms, man. Like, you're built to Amash. Yeah. You're built to Amash. And you're working on your mobility a lot. I see you. And you're building. You'll be fine. I know. I think it's on. Those guys would be like, I don't want Amash with this guy in here. That's my debate question. Yeah. Real quick. I thought it was great. I think it's driver's choice. Like, if it's my car and I'm riding with you, if I get in your car. If you take me home, like, like, give me a ride home, not take me home, like, but give me a ride home. Right. You're like, I mean, you know what I'm taking your home. The only thing about that? I'm riding the Cannibal Corp. I'm not going to say it's like, I guess it's what we're listening to. The only thing about that, though, is you know, people who are like, okay, let me show you this song. Okay, let me show you this song. And then they're just constantly, it's like annoying, and you're like, that's in high school. Okay. Well, I can be like that, but then I am mindful of like, you know what, you want to pick the music? I'm driving. I don't care. You know, I don't want to annoy the crap out of you with my, like, music taste. Excuse me. That's right. That's right. Well, it also helps me get to know people. Like if I'm riding with somebody that I don't like drive people around a lot, but, you know, if I'm riding with someone, I don't know well. And my sister, you know, she has good music taste. So I was like, you know, hearing what people like to listen to. Yeah, it's fair. I'll stop it if I don't like it. I'm like, Hey, let's play something else. Mine is beach versus mountains. Who has the better 10 lines in bug bites? That's a good question because when I climb Kilimanjaro, I got sunburn real bad. But. I like the slight, just my face. I love the slight flex. Like, you know, when I, when I, when I, that time I climb Kilimanjaro, well, it's the only mountain I've had. And it's the only mountain I can think of. You haven't seen that. You could just stop that. Yeah. I'm because. Well, I just thought about the time I was sunburned when you said tan lines, I was like, pretty bad. Well, that's the worst time. That was pretty awful tan lines. Yeah. You just said, like, what's, what's. I'm going to be honest with you again, I'm speaking for the black delegation. I didn't know that you got sunburned on mountains. So I was automatically like, man, that's a stupid question. Of course, it's the beach. But apparently it's not because I've never climbed a mountain either. Well, that sun was right on top of me. I mean, probably the higher you go, I can see. But the tan lines were awful. So I would say beach. Beach. Yeah. But there's no bugs on the beach. They are. The sand flies. They do. I haven't really experienced bug problems. That's a great thing. But I didn't want to kill them in jar, either. Okay. I'm actually out on this. I'm out on this. I'm out on this. And this one, either or would probably give me. Yeah. My best. That one, like. All right. Okay. Last one. Which. Oh, God. Which is the ultimate water park experience, the adrenaline pumping thrill of waterslides or the relaxing drift of the lazy river. Neither I hate water parks. What? Why do you hate water parks? I know a lot of people can't do this. They make me ill. I already won a gag because I've had that experience. I was the girl that found the band aid on her leg in the lazy river. But also the smell makes me ill every time. Like I always feel physically sick. I get a headache really bad. And yeah, the chlorine mixed with like the food, like the fried food and like. Like people's bodies are everywhere and they're all in the same water. I don't know who's cleaning the water. I know that people poop in the water. There's a ton of kids. I don't know which kids are wearing diapers in this water. Lines waiting. I hate it. I hate water parks. I tried. I tried. I tried. My brother loved water parks. And we used to go. That's why it's a nightmare for me because we had to when we went to the beach, he was the youngest kid and all the things me and my sister wanted to do. He didn't want to do it. We'd always go to Big Kahuna for him. And we had to do it because it was fair. And I just hated going and but we went all the time when we were younger so that he would have fun. And I mean, I guess now like I would totally go to a water park if he was around. But yeah, I just always felt ill. I don't know. Okay. Oh, you. I love water parks. I love you too. I'm glad someone enjoys. I'm going to go water park together. Now see, I'm there with you. I'm there with you. I'm driving. You go ahead. I'll drop you off. Based on your music history. But I'm going to go with waterslides. I'm going to like ladies river is cool, but I'm going to see that those hurt my back. Those little lines, you're doing a lot. I don't know why. Every waterslide it's like those where they connect the slide together, the plastic pieces. I'm like, how is no one feeling this happening to their back? It hurts. Going too fast. Well, that's not my fault. I'm going to a waterslide. No, I'm saying like you don't feel it because you're going so fast. You just. I feel it. Do you? Yeah, it stings. You know what I'm talking about? Terry's nodding. No, it's the connecting parts of the slide. It always drive me nuts. I'm sorry guys. The only fun part is the end and the big splash in the pool. It's three seconds. Yeah, but then I have to get out of the pool and what the next person come now. I'm not going to wait in mind for an hour again. No, we are going to jump into Jeff and your story. Brittle to Unbreakable. I think I love one. First of all, I love the title. I do too. The only thing I hate about this book so far is that you're wearing a UT hat in all of your pictures. Oh, go on. Go on. Go on, baby. Other than that, bro. Like just reading the back of it and the title, man, let's jump into the title. Where did you come up with Brittle to Unbreakable? So I was writing down in Austin, Texas with a group scribe, this one here originally was going to publish my book and we were going through it. I had the title to be like Unbreakable, blah, blah, blah. And the guy goes, really, your story after I got to know you as you went from Brittle to Unbreakable. He goes, you should call it that. Yeah. And he's like, okay, that makes sense because the journey does do that. Well, let's jump into your journey. What? Tell us a little bit about your story. Oh, so I was born in 1980 with a Brittlebone disease known as osteogenesis imperfecta. So it only affects 25,000 people in the US. It's extremely rare. You could think of it like this. When you all break bone, you get more cement behind the bone, where it breaks, when a eye break there, I get less cement. Damn. So I'm more prone to breaking over and over. There's many different types. So I have type four, it's moderate to severe. My COO, her son, has type eight. So example, she went over a speed bump not long ago and cracked vertebrae in his back. Oh my gosh. That's how fragile he is. So you have all these different levels of it. And I was born breached. So in 1980, you know, they didn't have the tech, there was no internet. So they pulled my, pulled me out with forceps backwards when they did. They shattered my femurs and did not know that. So when you change a baby, what do you do when you change baby? You lift their legs up. Right. So my parents would do that. And I would scream like, oh my God. I'm not taking your babies. So it's not like cooking. They have no clue. So like, you know, my. Do you have memory of that? No. Okay. I was going to be like, wow. Cause I don't remember being a baby at all. No. Thank goodness. But my older sister was telling about, she's like, I remember like DCS asking us like, did you drop them? Did this, that? And they finally sent me, cause I was born in Joplin, Missouri. So small town. If you guys want to know, that's like tornado alley, everything's wiped off the map there. Both my childhood homes are gone. Wow. Yeah, it's really weird. But I got diagnosed this six weeks with this bone disease and my femurs had already healed bowed. Wow. At that point. So I kind of grew up normal and I think the fact I did not have the internet at the time when I was growing up, but I didn't really notice any difference. Cause you know, I look, I present normal. I was typically in the middle of the height with everybody till I had my accident and that was pretty much it. I was allowed to live this normal life up until about eight years old. Yeah. What happened? Yeah. I love football, which I love football more than anything, couldn't play soccer, nothing that could tangle my legs. But my parents let me play baseball and basketball, which was odd because nowadays that would never fly. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, that's hard too, because you know, your kid, all those things are, you know, my mom knew because to her, he runs, he does all these things. So I was playing baseball and I love that. And she got me a skateboard and she was like, even people without a bone. Yeah. So she was like, you can never leave the driveway. And I was like, sure. Okay. Yeah. I snuck the skateboard out. We had a hill, you know, when you're a kid, everything's huge. So we had this. We called it the super hill. Out of all the hills in the neighborhood, Knoxville, Tennessee, it was the steepest. I didn't not go down that hill until September of 2022. So I broke my leg, June of 89 and over 30 years had passed before I could go down that hill and I lived in that neighborhood for another 13, 14 years. Wow. So it comparison, when I went down and I was going 30 miles in my car, 30 miles per hour in my car. So I can only imagine what I saw eight years old. So a kid double dong, and I went down standing up and the truth be told, I got scared and I jumped off. And when I did, my whole right femur completely shattered in five different places. I proceeded to get my leg dragged up underneath me. My back broke at L-5, that's one, four. And when I came to, there was this guy, he was rubbing ice on my chest. And he was like, are you okay or are you okay? And I was like, I didn't know, but I couldn't like feel anything. So like I looked down, I saw my right leg this way, my foot and my left, my right knee was rotated all the way. Oh my God. So I knew at that point it wasn't good, but what was interesting and when I wrote about my book, because I had to do a lot of therapy on the other side. Now this is something where I, for decades, mental health wasn't talked about. So I went a long time in silence. And I cannot remember the pain of all that, but I can remember the hot tar, because they had tarred the neighborhood a few weeks before, like I was faulting it. So it's a June day and I'm laying in the sun heat for 45 minutes on this, just waiting for an ambulance come. So they're like, frying alive with broken wounds. And then when they put, you know, go to put you on the stretcher, they had misjudged how bad that leg was. Oh no. So when they picked me up, the whole fracture just fell up underneath it. Oh my God. I remember every bump going to that hospital, I get to the hospital. My surgeon was out of the country at the time, the guy who they had picked to do my surgeries, because he had some experience with my bone disease, which turned out to be not a lot. So this doctor came in, he's like, we have to put him in traction. And so because they didn't know when the surgery was, they didn't give me any pain medicine. So traction is where they put something to your foot and they start drawing it out straight. Yeah. So the surgeon, I'll never forget it. His eyes are looking at me like, I'm so sorry. And he just started letting it go and that leg whipped out. So I stayed in that state for two days as my surgeon criss-crossed to get back to the US because no one would touch me back then with that bone disease. No surgeon wanted nothing to do with me. The thing that stood out to me through all that was all the volunteers who came and saw me at the hospital, played Candyland, Battleship, Monopoly, they made my times past them. But I end up having that leg rotted. And when I got done, the leg was two and a half inches longer. And they never thought to measure the legs after the surgery. So the surgeon goes, you know what, we're just going to, that left legs bowed, we'll just break that baby and rotted. So right when they did it, it happened during time, I instigated puberty early in me. So I was like 10 years old. So the right leg kept growing at which point the left leg was still an egg shorter at the end of the surgery. So the doctor goes, you know what we're going to do? It was either that they're going to re-break both my femurs and re-rot them to get the legs even. So I'm like 11 at this time. Or there was something known as the Elizabeth off. Have you guys know what that is? You guys ever seen anyone with the halo around their head from a car accident? Yes. So if you look at my lower leg down here, they did that around my lower leg. And you can see I have over, I believe it's 27 holes through my legs, criss-crossed. I've got scars all through here. The way the doctor outlined that surgery was very neat. He was like, oh, it'll just be like this. You're going to be walking down that, well, that machine ended up weighing 17 pounds. My freshman year in high school, I was 14 years old, I weighed 95 pounds in comparison. Oh my gosh. So if you can imagine my weight at 11 years old, so they, I remember, I was kind of out of it. And they pulled it back. And my parents were like, my mom goes, oh my gosh, Jim, what did we do to him? And it was at that moment, like I'm laying in the bed. I'm like, this isn't going to be good because like I had gone through that. So we go through a few weeks, I'm having to like, the skin gets infected. So I had to cut the skin off me and my mom were having to like cut the skin off the spokes doing dancing. I was going to physical therapy every day, like walking range motion stuff. And then they determined that eight weeks I was behind track for the growth and the rotation. So they decided to do a radical turn and stretch. So my mom and I kind of knew it had happened. Like I was already starting to like show the mental effects. The radical turn and stretch just, yeah, it is, you know, and that's subjective, right? When you're in medicine, you never really know what the full dynamic of the words are going to be. You just have to hope for the descriptions are not always accurate, but this one was. Yeah. So I started turning and immediately I was like, this isn't right. So like I'm trying to get away and I'm like, yo, yo, yo, yo. So they get to the 13th and at that point, I'm just like, yo, something's wrong. Well, at that point, they had to still do the turn. So you have your tibula and your fibula. So the stretch restriction, the tibula, which was twerking that fibula on the back ends. So when you start turning it, I started trying to get away. Well, their response was to hold me down. So I had a grown man lay on top of me as they proceeded, at which point they broke my leg. So I kind of after that point, I lost suit in that because my brittle bone disease, the bones are what they are. It's kind of like the point to that wouldn't have happened if they didn't do the radical twist and turn. Yeah. 1992 is wild times. Yeah. Oh, yeah. In a world back in like, I go to the hospital and I call it something else and have a different procedure. Or is it still something they do? Yes. No, no. Okay. This is like archaic what they do. Yeah. So after four weeks, they took me out of that, I recovered. They start getting me ready to walk. My very first step. I like broken half. Oh my God. And I remember that therapist, D, he was the first guy who was like, you need to stop being a sissy. Like I was therapy, like, because I would always be, you know, but in truth, I remember looking out the window, I was thinking about this to add the slash back. All I wanted to do at a level was die. I just wanted the pain to stop. So I used to sit there in therapy and I'd look out this window of KOC to this just gray stones. And I would just sit there and fantasize about death for three to four hours a day every day. And I knew that wasn't normal, but you don't talk to anybody about that. I mean, you're 11. Right. So he put his hand on my shoulder, though, and since I'll see you soon. And so they had to go and fix my bone. And then I'm breaking it again later, and then I had to put a plate over it. And by freshman year, I was actually able to walk into high school. So I'd missed pretty much from third grade all the way through eighth grade. I was homeschooled and it was like, wow, God, that is so hard. Yeah. It was a wild, wild. What was high school like? So my parents sent me to Knoxville Catholic High because smaller I was homeschool. I only had three hours of school a day, third, fourth, yeah, I knew it was amazing. But when you get to school and you realize you have to sit in a chair all day and focus and your day is no longer getting the hell beat out of you in physical therapy. It's getting the hell beat out of you by teachers. It's really different sets. So school was hard for me, but it wasn't bad, but I got bullied. What? Yeah, cause I'll short. I'll wait. I get it. Yeah. That's not surprising. Yeah, I know. Kids are so mean. Oh, you have a bone disease? Doesn't matter. Sure. You know what I mean? I know that. Yeah, but don't be around like, hey, guys. I wanted to blend in. See, that was the whole thing. I wanted nothing more than to be normal. Like, you know, so I've seen a very interesting thing. I've seen how society judges me as a skinny cripple, what they would view me as. And I've seen what society would judge me by a roided meathead. And I could tell you that both eyes are still the same judgment. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, um, I get bullied and then, uh, you're such a cool dude. I've ever missed that. I play Dungeons and Dragons. That's cool to me. And stuff that, hey, that's what my brother did and definitely think about what you like is what you like. There's people out there who like the same things, but there was this kid, JC, he broke into my locker and one day in history class, I put my glasses on. And right when I put them on, the kids started giggling and it says short and crippled. And they had. Oh, yeah. Oh, my glasses. So I put my glasses on to see. That's what I saw. So later that day, I was trying to cry and, um, I was going on the leg press and I decided to put an extra plate on. I was being dumb and I came down, I got to stop it and it hairline fractured me left to right across my pelvis. How many times is this now? Um, oh, I've broken every bend in my body, like multiple times and, um, it was the first time I stood up to my mom a little bit because I actually a few days after that when I happened on a Thursday, I walked into school Monday with a hairline fractured pelvis. I just didn't care, um, and then he left me alone for a little bit and then May, a very interesting thing happened. He kept jawjacking me and then one day he got up right across from the distance from media and he looked at me and goes, you're just a cripple. So I got up right behind him. He goes up to the board to a math problem. I just started hitting him in the face. Good for you, honestly, and the teacher gets between us and I'm like, hit over him, get to the principal's office and it was the first time I ever looked at another man and realized I had hurt him and I felt really crappy about it. Of course you did. Because, you know what I mean? Because you had been bullied by this person, a point where I was like, wow, I really took that from him. My mom came in with her gigantic dark glasses and I was like, oh, here we go. Like, I'm dead. So we get to, she gets me in the car. She doesn't really say much. We get to a Charlie's and then she asked, well, I did it. I said, well, call me cripple. She goes, well, at least you stood up for yourself. I'm with mom on that. I'm like, okay. And so, I'm like, sweet, I had three days suspension, like, I'm like, cool, I'll just go listen to some Pantera and just hang out at the house, play some guitar, you know? And she had to go to the grocery store. So I always used to go to read the guitar magazine. So I'm playing since I was nine, die hard in the metal. Oh, we should jam. Oh, yeah. I cannot play probably the same things you do, but we'll try. And for whatever reason, I just walked by and it's like staying caught by and it was a flex magazine covered and I remember just being like, oh my God, if you could look like that because I was in like a fitness gym, like an athletic club. I didn't see guys who looked like that. I saw. I have older guys and James ran a lot and wore things that matched and I just was, I got it. And my mom was like, Hey, you can get it, I guess. And then after that, I just turned completely on the bodybuilding. I put on 20 pounds that summer and just kept going and going and going with it. And I never looked back after that. So I was waiting to ask you, but I was going to ask you that did that all of the physical therapies that how you got into fitness, but clearly it was. Yes. So my mom was a little ahead of her time. She was very much into like, Hey, you're not going to be able to like take care of yourself. You need to have upper body strength. You should learn how to do this through that. So she would encourage the therapist, she's going to be like curls, chest presses. So they actually got me into the gym over there where I was working out and walked me through and built me a routine. I was just doing different things that they didn't want me to do. And then once I found bodybuilding, I was like, well, hell that I'm going to do this over here because that's what got Ronnie Coleman, you know, immediately after that, I was set forth on it. Do you, do you think, because sometimes that you, that you told me, I kind of caught my attention. The as far as mindset goes, and I know sometimes, you know, intentions are pure, but verbally we may not expect them. Now, I'll just say it instead of saying the way you say it, I'll say it as when the physical therapy so that you need to get your mind right. Do you think that's what he was trying to tell you? Like, yo, your life is not going to be easy. Right? Yeah. And so what I'm doing right now is trying to prepare you for what your future is going to look like. Now, you can lay here and quit and die or we can go through some hard work and you can live a regular life like everybody else. Like looking back on it now, I know it's the, the, the, the vision of it is probably different at 11 or eight or whatever age you were. I mean, when he said that, but looking back on that now, do you think that's kind of where he was at with it? Or do you think he was just being a jerk? No, actually, I do think he was there. I think the reason I listened to him is because I really liked the baseball coach mentality the way he pushed me. He didn't treat me different. He knew I had this disease. I still was catcher. He was not treating you like any other thing. I decided to run the drill, still did everything, still earned my spot. When D had talked to me and so I'll see you soon and he pushed me in therapy and I've been like, Hey, you can't be like this. I'd be like that. He was just giving me advice and maturity and wisdom to what was going to happen. And, you know, I think it's set in with him when that broke in front of him that this is going to be just what life is going to be. This is your life. Yeah. And I think that that was a fair. This is going to be this is going to be the last time you do this. Yeah. I think I'm forever for that because that mentality turned the key back where I'd gone from, you know, being fearless going down that hill to full of fear and then having to come back out. Mm hmm. Do you feel like you still kind of have that mentality now, like I don't, this is our first time really having to sit down and chat. Is that mentality still in you? Like, is it completely fearless or like, yeah, I'm almost too extreme. Yeah. I mean, I was going to say, how can it not be? Because if you, I mean, if you can't see the man, you should take a good hard look. He's built. I mean, he's, he's, you know, a bodybuilder, but I imagine that was not the same experience as other bodybuilders, where it's just like, I don't think people even think about, you know, it's just like, I'm going to do my routine, but you probably, like, did you have to take extra precautions in order to like, like, how did training go after physical? Did you train full on like they did? Nice. And so an interesting thing, my mom was ahead of the curve. I talked about this in my book, scribe actually wanted me to keep it out of my book. When I was 13, she got me on human growth. Okay. Yeah. She had read it because she was definitely afraid of me being a short sprouts mom if you're watching. I'm five two. Yeah. It worked. It did not work. But what she noticed was I stopped fracturing. Yeah. Like everyone around me noticed that it was like, there was that period there where I really made ground in physical therapy. And no one put their mind around it because 1993 change was new. So I think that that gave me the no fear approach. And I was used to thinking outside the box already. So going into that, I did not see any difference between why I went and do it. They were doing versus need a motto. Okay. Myself. Okay. Good. Back on it now and actually realize like how I had a conversation with a therapist on our podcast a couple weeks ago. And I told him I said, after I wrote that book, I was able to lay down my sword against myself. And I said, when I go through that book and I go through all the times worked out, I think about what it really took of me, where I really had to go, where how much self hate I had to hold on to, how much hatred of everybody else I had to hold on to to be able to do the things I did in the gym. It came down to a simple fact. I didn't love myself at all, and I didn't care because in order to get to where I look, it was not through means that people with a brittle bone disease should do. And that's something like when I talk to the kids, my brittle bone disease, I'm very honest. Like, I don't think I would gotten here if it wasn't for that nasty chip on my shoulder that all the doubt, all the stuff. But most importantly, the truth is I didn't love myself enough and I won't wish that on anybody. Yeah. Yeah. What is your process like? I heard you talk about your son and I don't know if this is hereditary or not. It's genetic. It's genetic. It's your son. Have it as well. My oldest one does not. My youngest one does. Okay. What is your approach with him? Yeah. Or with both of them. So my oldest one did anything you wanted. He just didn't like sports. Right. But the mentality approach, like did you, like, okay, your wife, I'm assuming, before your son is born, what were your, because we, I was gonna ask you after the fear question, what were your thoughts then? Like, because now you know, all right, we know it's genetics and if your youngest son has it, like, what am I going to instill in him? So that he knows that this, this, the next 40, 50, 80 years, it's not going to be easy. You're going to need something because I'm a person. And you bet the rules too, you know, that like they were telling you one thing and you did something else and not always did that work out, but a lot of the times it did. 100%. Yeah. So, but I'm a strong advocate of mindset and sometimes you need a chip on your shoulder. I had it. My coach used to have you, you played better when you're pissed off when you have a chip on your shoulder. Right. Michael Jordan used to make up things about people. It's like, it's just like just one little, oh, oh, I think she can play the guitar. Bet. You know what I mean? Like that was the thing who did Matt and because he knows when he's in the, when he's in that zone, nobody can stop him. And so a while, like, like now maturity is saying like, yo, that was, it boils down to I didn't love myself. Right. But it also is the reason for your drive, like without that chip, you're not this person right here. So it's that double edged sword, right? Well, if you're happy, why do you need to change? That's the whole thing. Yeah. I've always been happy with it. I had to go through a lot of counseling to get happy with that. Yeah. I had to go through a lot of counseling at the point where I could realize I didn't love myself enough. Right. A lot of counseling goes into being a better leader and a better father to my son to be able to say, Hey, this has been my journey. He's read my book. I'm been like, I don't want you to have my journey. He wants to be a producer. He loves rap music. He wants to produce all that. He's not, he's into working out. He knows he needs to take care of himself, but it's not like the drive that I have. Isn't the first thing from the dad from that? Like saying, Hey, no, you have to work out because because you're going at some point, like your mom, like you said, you're, you need to be, you're going to take care of yourself today. You know what I mean? Like, so you have to, like working out is an option for you. Yeah. I tell them all the time, I'm like, we know through science and research that weight training stimulates bone. Yeah. You have to keep doing that. And sorry, you don't get to sit around and eat Twinkies in the holes and not work out all day. This is going to be what you really have to do. And really bracing. He's done really good with it. Like we just had surgery back in July, they had to put screws in below his knees and above his ankles because his tibula and fibulas were kind of healing a little boat. Yeah. And he was back into the gym and the garage within a week working on his squats and he's riding the bike and just trying to get to it because he wanted to fit back in with school. So him is just to be able to blend in and have a normal experience. Yeah. How vocal are you with like the doctors and everything like that? Because again, you've lived, you have lived experience. So now they're saying, well, we need you like, no, we're not because. So like, how are you? You just kind of sit back, let them do their thing. Believe it or not. Um, Terry knows this because we had talked to him, but back February I held a seminar where we raised money to seed funding for Dr. Martis here in Nashville. So Vanderbilt is one of the leading hospitals in the world for OI research. Wow. That's perfect. Dr. Martis is the doctor over there who sees all the kids for like OI. So it's a Nashville, Omaha and Montreal are the hotspots. Um, I'm very, very lucky that he is a doctor that wasn't like I had who were just like, just what we're doing. I say so. Yeah. So he, like before the surgery, he was like, you know, I think things have changed. Let's re-exrate him. Do you mind? I'm like, no. So we walked up in this elevator, he's chatting with us and that a re-exrate him, re-measured him, brought another doctor. I was like, wow, this was so collaborative and it was cool to see. Um, but now to answer your question, I don't have that because I believe totally in 100% in the care of my son has, but with that being said, I shopped around to make sure I found the care that my son needed. And I may try the questions or ask those questions and I do think that's the one thing that we often are in the health and fitness industry say, hey, screw off doctors. We don't care about, you know, but I really think it's a matter of learning to find the doctors. There are good ones. Yeah. It's like they exist. You got to date around. You got to ask those questions like, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And I think if they're willing to hear you and hear what you're about, then that's right. There are doctors who care. My brother had a, uh, he had a brain injury. So there were a ton of doctors that we went through and they would just, you know, if they didn't know, they didn't say it. And so like we were starting to be like, okay, there's no good doctors, but the one came along who really cared and really made a difference. One neurologist that like actually diagnosed him with what he had multiple temporal lobes chlorosis, but yeah, I mean, like there are, there are bad doctors, just like there are bad trainers, bad, any career field, but there are good ones that exist too. 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All right, guys, we are back from that quick break, um, and before we jump into, uh, stretch your intellect. I don't even know if it's a question, it's just what stood out to me is when you were younger and you said you were fantasizing about death, like you were having suicidal thoughts. And it makes me think about like, you know, what we're putting out is, is information, right? Where we're putting out a testimonial, um, and this is your story you've lived it, that drive got you to somewhere, that chip on your shoulder, you know, and I'm thinking about my brother, but I'm also thinking about other people who stop, you know, and they give in to that, like, you know, this is, you know, and you were at rock bottom. You had these circumstances that were unfair. You didn't ask for them. Other people don't have to deal with this and your future is just like bleak, you know? So it's, it's, what stood out to me is that I'm sure there are other people like going through something where they're looking at like the gray stones going, I just want to die. You know, this is so painful or whatever it is. It could be, you know, their circumstances are just, they don't have parents or something and, or they're, they don't have money or they have a bone disorder that's rare that, you know, they're not getting the care they need for. So it's just what, what made you, was there any kind of moment that you were like, no, I have to keep going? Or was it the support you had around you, like your mom or like, do you feel like if anything had gone differently, you would have actually like, you know, done something or I was self harming myself, like, because when the pain would stop, I just, I associated pain with progress. That was the deadly thing that D had done to me when he was like, you got to keep pushing, keep pushing because there was no off at that point. It was just go, go, go. So everything had to be lit a fire. It wasn't until I tried to take my life on 32. And then after that, I got into discovering psychedelics, which really did, with therapy is what was the turnkey operation for me. Cool. Because I, you know, in the 80s and 90s, mental health wasn't talked about. Right. They'd never ever screened me. They never talked to me. I don't even think I could have formed at those young age, what I really wanted to do to myself or what I really didn't. Yeah. I don't think I could have ever formed. You didn't even know you needed to talk about it, right? And then I got so hooked in the bodybuilding, that's with, you know, bodybuilding is what it is. It's not pretty. And I went down that full tilt. And by the time I looked up in 32, I just the disaster of a personal life. And it was strictly related to if I was in pain, well, you should be in pain with me too. So I translated that in my private life because we always had to be in this progress, progress. The one that I just didn't want to do it anymore, but then a few years after I did that, I noticed a funny thing that I talked about once, suicide was like a friend that sat down with me on my, like a bench when I was 11 and was just there with me. It was always this thing that would just kind of kept with me. And then when I got to 36, it kind of creeped back in again. I couldn't. I looked at always a problem. So then I read Steven Cawler's book called Stealing Fire and he was talking about where in Silicon Valley, they give, they were giving microdosing their engineers to be able to solve problems that they couldn't solve. And I remember being like, man, you know, this is a problem I can't solve. And I was raised Catholic, raised, you know, Bostonian, Democrat with the mix of the Republican from the South. I was very much like, I don't need to do these drugs because I was right, that they're bad to do them. I was very straight. No, you were. I spoke Pothos 33. I was that I was all proto steroids and everything, but nothing else. And I gave him a shot and they worked, but I tell everybody this because I see this talked about a lot. And I'm very excited. You know, we live in times where these therapies were talked about openly, but you just can't do the therapies, the psychedelic therapies. There's, you got to do the work with it. I had done the work beforehand, I done the work with pharmaceutical, but there was something different about work with that's the hardest part. Then it was with all the other pieces. And the only thing I could think of is I was able to sit with the motions that bothered me before, but I was able to hold them. Rather than before, I'd be like, Oh, hey, yeah, goodbye. I got something else to think about me. Right. And the first time I was able to face them and confront them and all that, like I used to wake up milk night in my twenties with girls, I'd be dating, I just want to tell them I'd go to the bathroom throwing up because I'd have that dream where I was on the hill three to four nights a week and I'd wake up, drenched through my sheets and just, you know, you don't know how to talk about that like a man as a man to in your twenties or just like, Oh, I just didn't sleep good. Yeah. Me while I was all the time, I'm not sleeping. Well, guess what? The unfortunate consequences were not in a healthy spot. Yeah. Inside you and needing to get out. Yeah. That's one thing I always want to touch on with people. For me, the work I cannot not stress that enough. People say they do the work. Oh, yeah. I really do the work. You're proud of it. And that's like the one thing I'm proud of. Like I was proud. I dropped myself. I look at that as my old self anymore, man. And I'm just like, who that is hard work really care. It's hard work. That's really neat to be able to pull apart. Yeah. That's a beautiful thing and a good place to be as a man, but definitely just as a person in general, because we do harbor so many emotions and you don't necessarily have a safe space to let those out, especially when you're dealing with stuff that has nothing to do with your partner. Right. And it's like, I can address an issue that I sometimes would have with my wife, right? Like no, you heard me when you used to XYZ that you know what I mean? Like when it's something like, I've been carrying this and even if I tell you, it's not going to make any of this better, right? Because you're not going to, you're not going to say go, you're going to tell me, oh, yeah, you're right. You shouldn't go back down that hill. Right. But the answer is that's not the like, so it's like, like, I know you can't help me. So why do I express it? Right. Right. So what do I find the help? So I'm glad you said that. I want to. I got to bring up something really interesting about my story and then I know we got a little segment. I wasn't held those first six weeks. I was born. Yeah. So I didn't get the bonding with my parents. That's a huge deal. I knew I was really screwed up with my older son was born and he would want to hold me and I was like, why are you wanting to touch me? It wasn't until 2022 that I did MDMA therapy and a guy was like, Hey, I can have you. I do it with soldiers and he was in Nashville and he had me hold a pillow and I told my friend Robo, Terry knows, I said, I've all the psychedelics, I've done, I've done them all. MDMA is the one that I promise you has the most potential to help a lot of people because until they've you had touched me, I've been like, why are you touching me? And now I can have like my wife touch me. My sons touch me and I'm not like people have no idea how much it affects you, how your parents either nurtured or were inconsistent right of course not and it doesn't make your parents bad parents all that always your parents not but you know that people don't people do but a lot of people still don't know how much that affects you later in life and that if you don't learn about how you were raised and you don't have those conversations with your parents if you can or you don't have those conversations or do the therapy because psychedelics. I have read a little bit about the research that they're doing medically to introduce psychedelics to like mental health and therapy and it's really I think very promising because it makes it opens up things in your brain that you have shut down and you can literally compartmentalize it and block it out. Your brain will just block things out from your childhood but if you do the work and if you like take the steps or do the right thing or take the right psychedelics, I really think psychedelics help you open up the like unlock those things and that's when you can release it but you can't you can't move through the emotions if you don't unlock it you know so I think there's a lot of people sitting out there in the world with these like traumatic memories stored away that can be opened up with certain types of therapies. I agree with you 100% that's really cool that's the one thing I was glad like I didn't realize how much I missed that in my life because I didn't know any better so I got to give it to me. A lot of people don't know any better your parents didn't know any better they did the best they could at the time. Oh yeah my parents did amazing work. It sounds like it they cared they did whatever they thought was right for you and so it's a testament to see it like how quickly like we are able to like revolutionize technology and medical practice and and move in like it's it's been I mean since 93 94 like 30 years 20 30 years I don't do math but long time but not that long not that long of a time you know to see how quickly that's advanced so your son has a lot more likely of a chance I mean you're you're already fundraising it for a doctor who specializes in this didn't exist at the time you know so yeah I'm glad that there's more attention about it is it still the same percentage of people with the bone that's where it's not is not very common at all not very common at all. So most of the hubs are Nashville you said okay cool there need to be more I mean actually has no federal research funding well that's not enough of the population it's affecting yeah 100 percent yeah but all people matter and I want I want to keep going on there rabbit hole but we have to jump into our story right so we never know what a story we should all go out grab I would love it I would love it Terry said oh you're gonna love Jeff and I'm like I already am fascinated by what he's coming to talk about curious you know and maybe we can do a podcast on this tear or you guys can find somebody or you can come back and we can talk more I want to find a psychedelic drug doctor but about the psychedelics because that I think that's becoming such a big I actually know somebody with that like I know a guy that you know I follow on on IG and he swears my microdosing yep like he does it but you know like I know a therapist you know a lot about it and that's about it you know people will you know they will micro those you so you can you know actually talk through those those barriers but we're gonna get into real quick stretch your intellect and these are just facts Jeff these aren't questions it's not just a just a fact this fact isn't necessarily I agree with but I guess I see the point all right it's the power of mirrors mirrors in the gym are not just for vanity they are strategically placed to help you check your form which is crucial for preventing injury and maximizing the effectiveness of your workout I mean I think mirrors are there for the pump check I think so too I think that's I don't think they are strategically placed for him checking that's why I use them I don't know what you guys but I really care I know some people like care to have a mirror and some people are like no mirrors I don't I don't care in the mirror all right Jeff I want the mirror I want you gotta have a mirror baby I think it can help with form but at the end of the day so do trainers hey all right you go all right women in gyms women weren't commonly seen in the gyms until the 1970s before this most gym goers were men has weightlifting and bodybuilding were largely male-dominated activities the rise of fitness classes like aerobics help bring more women into gyms I can see that I can see that it's also bringing more women to Nashville fitness yeah I thought music Pilates Pilates is bringing women to them well there's just more there's more Pilates women left Pilates and I don't blame them Pilates it's hard have you done Pilates I have yeah it's hard yeah it's uh well that's that's an interesting fact I'm glad it's not a fact anymore there are more women in the gym that's fact intimidating weekman yeah anyway virtual training the future of gyms may be virtual with the rise of VR technology some gyms are experimenting with virtual training sessions where members can in quotations work out in a simulated environment from mountain trails to outer space I'm about it I at first is like no but I heard outer space I thought I was going to go like the online coaching route which it kind of already like has taken that but I think I think people are starting to be like okay I think more people want a person yeah now I think that's going to rise again yeah I mean I've I have some friends who are online coaches and I don't know how they do their business so I can't say you know it's bad or anything my experience with it I just like there's no possible way I can give you the quality and the results that I can give you in person but that's me well Jeff we like to leave our our people with the last the last word so it can be fitness related it can be health related whatever your thing is what's one thing you want to leave us or leave our viewers with to remember Jeff Black. Oh first off thank you guys for having me on. First thank you for being here. I'm sorry make sure you guys is the book out already. So yes you can get on my website Jeff UnbreakableBlack.com it releases Amazon November 8th. Yes can I pre-order it? We're getting that all set up. Okay cool cool. I'm sorry now you can get all right I'm sorry I just want to make sure we got but thank you guys for having me on it was great conversation. Thank you for being here. I really appreciate your time I can just have a genuine conversation with people but I think most importantly I tell anybody who's listening don't give up on yourself um yeah as cheesy as it sounds always darkest but for the dawn but you have a white flag and it should be your job every day to trample it and that's why I tried to tell everybody I work with just believe in yourself keep your promises to yourself and don't quit. Love you man. I am D.J. Red Web this is my girl. 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