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UFC 306 Review
In this podcast, Kushal speaks with Varun Sanyal as they review the recently concluded UFC 306 PPV.
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- 18 Sep 2024
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Now I say everyone, welcome to the Charvak podcast, this is your host Khushal Mehara. So UFC 306 was just completed and it was quite an interesting paper view. I was not having a lot of high expectations from this particular paper view. The fight card, let's just say, was alright but more than the main and co-main event which were great, I'm not saying they were not good fights but I think the prelims of this one was just brilliant. The prelims were so good, I saw all the fights and nowadays I don't watch the fights live because the timings are just all over the place and it's very hard to keep up with that. So I usually tend to watch them later on Sony save, Sony life or Sony 6, whatever it is, I just watch the recording and I saw the entire event. So before we start discussing the fights, what did you make of the venue? I want to first talk about the venue with you. So for those who don't understand, I think this is the first time the UFC has experimented with this particular thing, so it was at the sphere and UFC invested from what I've understood around 20 million to produce the show. They had haptic feedback and floor seats were 12,000 US to 17,000 US, non-floor seats were 1,000 to 12,000. Really? Yeah, yeah. The sphere measures 366 feet tall and 516 feet wide, total capacity was 18,000. The screen features 268 million video pixels with a 16k resolution and the power required for the sphere is around what would be needed for 21,000 homes approximately. No, so I mean, I had no expectations like you said for this event, right? Again, the sphere you think of you two, you think of all these big artists and just the week before there's the performer, there's an artist called the weekend, he'd done this kind of mind-growing performance in Sao Paulo where the visuals were crazy, everyone was saying that, you know, this is the pinnacle of performances, but then we see this at the sphere and I think it talked it, especially because it's a live sporting event. I don't think I've ever seen a sporting event like that in my life, seriously, I don't think so. In general, the base house and just the sort of the display that was put on. I have a question for you. How would you like, from an audience perspective, do you want haptic feedback when you're going to watch a sporting field event? I don't know how I feel about haptic feedback, but like every time a punch is thrown or a knock out is there and there were knockouts, right? So how would you feel? Like, I don't know, like, if I'm going for a sporting event, right, I want to watch it with a little bit of peace and tranquility. Whoa, what did you make of that, the haptic feedback with? The rest was amazing. I'm just thinking about it, like my bedroom, I don't know how I feel about that. I mean, I'll just take it here for, like, okay, here we have mostly bathroom-age, fly-ways, light-ways. Imagine in Ghana or even Alex Pereira, whacking. Yeah, but would they change the haptic feedback as per the weight category? I don't think so. I mean, I'm not sure, but I don't know, I think it does add to the atmosphere, because as it is, you know, it's the rush and you can, like, when you hear the impact, you get sort of, you get that adrenaline rush. I feel like that little shock just adds to it. And yeah, I would personally like it from an audience standpoint, I don't know about you. I don't know, man, I'm too old now. I like to watch in peace, I'm just too old. I just like, for me, okay, I'm watching a fight, and I'm looking at it. So let me watch in peace, and that's the only thing, like, the dome really was amazing. Like, when I was looking at the dome, it was amazing. It's a great viewing experience. It's fantastic. I think, you know, 10 out of 10 to the UFC for that, this is just me. I just, maybe I'll have to experience it once in person to realize how the haptic feedback. Like, I did not enjoy the Vocal 4D, 5D, 60, 70 Jobioh that I did not enjoy it. I did not enjoy it. I was like, yeah, me, I just want to watch a movie. Don't bug me. I, you know, when you're watching a movie, you're so focused on it, right? So I did not enjoy it in the movie theater. So I don't know how I would enjoy it in the sporting event. I could be completely wrong because I love the sport so much. I would end up having more fun. So I don't know. See, in York is you get punched for a profession. So it's a very different thing. No, I think that might be why I enjoy it, because, you know, especially I've been kids side, I'm obviously on the receiving end. Yeah, you really do feel it when you hear the, hear the shots. I can only imagine that, that little bit of energy flowing through you in addition. Oh, my God. The energy in there. And how would they figure it out? Like, how do they figure out this one was a contact or this was not a contact or this one was a check. Like, basically the idea is two bodies touching and they give you haptic feedback, right? They can't decide whether it's a check or whether it's a fun check. That's impossible to do it live. And what about takedowns and all of that, right? Like, when he makes the collision for a takedown, yeah, I'm not sure. I actually don't know how they, how they did that, because then I would think, right? If you can track the punches landed versus the ones that did, surely that's something, this is kind of regressive, but like, surely, and that's something you can take into account when looking at future scoring, right? The judges are able, maybe they can see, you know, this one's landed. They get that shot. I don't know if this is just something I'm sort of thinking about for the future. Yeah, I, but I have to say, for a sporting company, that to a private sporting company, most people don't understand this is not like a national steam sport or something. This is just one promotion. It's not even mixed martial arts overall, UFC controls more than 95% of the entire MMA market. And they're just one promotion doing their own thing. They do whatever they want to do. They don't care about what the market feeds about anything. For that matter, they just go ahead, do whatever they want to do. And, and I have to give credit to the ultimate fighting championship and, and Zufa, which is the parent company from what I understand. And now I think it's not even Zufa, it's someone else who was born. Yeah. So it's all that endeavor. Yeah, endeavor now, endeavor owns it. So now let's get into the main event first, so we will do the main and main first. So obviously, uh, Marab Dwalishwili, Maud is the right word, Sean O'Malley. This was, this was as one-sided as it can get in a fight. Like, what the hell was that? Like Sean O'Malley did not even, and, and what surprises me is that when he fought Marab's team mate, yeah, he, he was not dominated. At all. And now Marab just dominates it. Like, what the hell happened there? Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I did think that Sean would have more success in terms of finding his chin. I thought he'd use his range much more effectively. And I thought he'd be more effective in the scrambling. Because if you see his fight against Jan, and then of course, he bring up Algemaine Sterling, we saw his takedown defense hold up. That's for one. And secondly, he scrambles back up, whereas in this fight, first of all, Marab, he was kind of taking him down at will. It didn't look like he had any real trouble getting him down. And when he was down, he was left. I don't know what her being was thinking because Marab was landing shots from the top, he's making him carry his weight, putting him in, in uncomfortable positions. So yeah, I, I don't really know. I would just say that the difference with Marab and Aljou's approach is that Aljou was making impact with the takedown, but then he's taking him to the fence. Now some fighters, they prefer to defend from the cage. They use the cage as a, as an assistance, right? You see Adisanya, for example, he likes to use the cage to help him, help himself defend takedowns. Whereas Marab, if you see his takedowns, first of all, he was coming up with that overhand and then getting his hands up and then on top of that, he was blasting through. It was more like a GSB sort of tackle takedown rather than your, you know, drive to the wall and then work from there. So I think that's where he found most success and again, he kept changing angles. For example, you fake one way, he put Sean's weight one way with the double, run the pipe the other way. And I just don't think, or, you know, I wouldn't imagine that Sean's faced that level of wrestling. We have to remember, Marab, bragged old Henry Sipodok, he bragged on you, so, he's wrestling is seriously underestimated and underrated. So yeah, I think that's just what happened. He just wasn't ready for that level of relentlessness and pressure. So what makes Marab effective is, is this an attribute to his fitness and that he's in the right weight class, unlike Algio, clearly Algio was in the wrong weight class. He should have bought in the weight class above that, which he's doing right now, by the way, after he lost his title. And he looks good there because I just think because he used to get tired, Algio used to get tired. He was quite obvious that the weight cut would have a drastic effect on him. Marab, other than the last 45 seconds, I would not even say a minute of the fight, the last 45 seconds of the fight, where he got that strike on the body and he was clutching onto his stomach. He was hurt. He was quite obvious. Marab was hurt. And it was the kick that eventually got to him. First of all, do you think there is anyone who has a better cardio than Marab today? I mean, Cody Covid, Kobe Covid didn't used to be known for his cardio, but I think nobody comes near Marab as well, surely, right? Look, I mean, how many, what was it? 40, 50 takedowns he tried against Adiyan? I mean, he has the record, right, for the most takedown attempts. If anyone has even tried to do 40, 50 takedowns in practice, right, just in one shot that alone in the middle of a fight where you're striking, you're trying to pull the guy down, then you've got a scramble going on. That is insane. That requires a different level of fitness and a different level of cardio. So yeah, if you ask me, I think he's got the best cardio in the game at the moment. I mean, of course, people will say Max Holloway. Yeah. The Max Holloway doesn't... Yeah, but he's not wrestling, right? Yeah. You need a different kind of cardio for wrestling. That's just about it. Exactly. Yeah, so I think he has a very good case for that, because again, he just... It doesn't look like he tires out. Everyone... You know, the commentator has been saying it on the live broadcast. He's not taking one deep breath, he doesn't look tired. By round 3-4, you'd think he'd slow down, but he maintained that same pace from start to finish, and that's just insane. Then his shadow valley goes from here. You know what? A lot of people are like, "Oh, he's done," or like, you know, "He's a fraud, this, that... I don't think so. I disagree completely." I think that, look, he knocked out Algebra fair and square. He got back the loss against Cheeto, and if we're going to say Umar is against Mirob next, I think we have a really exciting fight with Sean O'Malley versus Corey Sandegan. I think that's the fight to make. Two very exciting fighters, you know, Corey can mix it up now. We've seen him with his grappling evolution. That has to be the next fight, and I would love to see it. I don't know about you. Yeah, because I'm just looking at the division, it's Umar Numba going out of his number two. Then you have the Yatargan, Corey Sandegan, Davison Figueredo, you know, Umar gets the next shot, and if Figueredo is able to stay undefeated or whatever he's doing, then he's getting the next shot after that. Yeah, yeah, I mean, there's no one else. I mean, Song Yardong, maybe if he wins a couple of more fights, because the entire division is pretty much cleaned up now. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing, like, you've got Figueredo, he's a former champion in another division. You now come up, he's looking good, and you know, I think that there's a few fights in the top five that are exciting, and they'll probably end up, it'll be like the lightweight division where they're all just fighting each other in the top five. But again, I think Corey, Sean, he's a fun fight, and then you go up, perhaps, Jan versus Figueredo as well, that would be a fun fight as well. And then, of course, Umar versus Merab. Yeah, I don't know, I think the natural fight, the next fight has to be Umar Numba Gamirov, and then maybe Figueredo, I just don't see anything else happening right now for these guys. And as much as I wish, it was different, it's not going to be different, and that's just a fact of life. But now we go into the Komeini event, which was Alexa Grasso versus Valentina Shofchenko. My goodness, this was what, the third fight now? It was one fight too many. I mean, I know what it is. Yeah, do you think she won the last fight, Alexa, or who did you score it for? And if I'm being honest, I taught Valentina one. Yeah, I also think Valentina one, I don't know what the hell was that. Why did they give it to Alexa Grasso the last fight? We did not need this one, but now we do, because they clearly did not want Alexa Grasso as to be the champion. They wanted Valentina to be the champion, they got Valentina finally. That's what it is. The thing is, I've seen online, right, so they were saying how last year Valentina was the main event, now this year she's been demoted to Komeini, right? Now, also, you have to remember, I think she's, Chirson was saying that she's one of the few fighters find it better. Out of the champions, she had the fewest main events. I think she's always a Komeini or something like that. So do they really want her to be champion? I don't know, because Alexa Grasso at least brings in the Mexican eyeballs and brings in guys like me who obviously a fanboy over here, but yeah, I don't know. I think this fight was completely unnecessary if you ask me, and it completely killed the momentum of the card, because the fights before this were all dangerous, and then this comes along and you're just like, "Oh man, no one really wanted to see it, nah, nah, you've done it." Yeah, I mean, if you think Marab Damala is Sean O'Malley, Alexa did not do anything in the fight. What did, other than that submission hold, what was it in round three or round four? When did that happen, that the one attempt was submission, or two attempts for submission that Alexa did? What did that fight had going for her corner, kept on telling her fight, box with her, box with her? Yeah. When her corner told her, do not grapple with her, and she's still grappled with her in the fifth round. It was Alexa who initiated the grappling with Valena, it was not the other way round. And that's the thing, like the first fight, if you see like, when she did win the title, it was because she caught the submission, but it was because her boxing was what kind of, you know, put the pressure on Valentino, that's one. And two, you know, there's one thing that my coach and a training partner of mine, who's now the UFC PI, they've always drilled this into my head. When you get, when you get taken down, getting up is a mentality. So to explain what that means is, when Alexa got taken down, she was happy being there. She was going for the submissions. She wasn't really looking to sweep, she wasn't really, she didn't really show any urgency to get back up. She was happy to chill on her back and try for that guillotine and the triangle. Now getting up is a mentality, there are techniques which you can do, like for example, hip escape, creating frames, even if you use the submissions, using the submissions to sweep or to get back up. That's a mentality, whereas she seemed content with just throwing up submissions and, you know, hoping that one lands and she gets another submission win against Valentino. It was a mistake, tactically, if you ask me, because again, she, she's more than capable with her hands and she's, she's touched by a key knot with the hand. So it was unfortunate, but again, credit development, you know, she stopped her game plan, stayed disciplined and she's champion again. You know, who does she fight next? So, I think, I think, I think Manon Fierrold, Fierrold, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think that that's the obvious one. She's on a, she's on a tear and she's somewhat exciting. You know, she, she, Kate Bob just stands out, which is exactly what fans like to see. So yeah, I think, I think she's the obvious, she's the obvious next contender in that division. Yeah, I agree now, this was the personal shock to me. Did you expect Diego Lopez to beat Brian Ortega? And did you expect what happened in the first round? First, any second just bang, you know, that was the shock. I thought Brian would win. If you asked me, this was the perfect matchup for, for Brian Ortega, at least on paper, I thought that he was going to mow through Diego Lopez, especially, do you remember the Diego fight? Yes. Yeah. How on the third round, like, Lopez was in real trouble in that fight, right? Yeah, I thought, I thought something similar would happen to Lopez in this fight, because Ortega, you know, he, he's willing to bite down on the mouthpiece, he's willing to get into a scrap. And again, his grappling is, is one of the best in the UFC, or at least in his division. But Lopez, oh my God, every single round, not only did he drop him. It seemed like he wasn't afraid of the grappling. In fact, he was the one initiating the grappling exchange. I think he's the only one that got a takedown and out of the two, right? So that just shows his confidence in his own grappling, which is not surprising because he has many submission victories. But then every round to drop a guy like Ortega, who has, I mean, what about that chip? What about that chip? So yeah, I think that wasn't real shocker for me, but that being said, what's next for Lopez? And, you know, I have something to say about that, but I want to get your thoughts. I mean, what is it? I mean, I'm just trying to see where does he fit into the entire division. I mean, Max gets the title chart. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's lined up next, right? Yeah. So Diego fights Wokenoski, and that's the best bet. What else is he supposed to do? Tell me, what, where does he go? He fights Wokenoski or he can't fight Iblo F because he's below. And if I don't know them already, I'll bless you. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's what they're all ranked below him. That's the problem. They're all ranked below him with strange because I mean, of course, I'm so short notice, but he has bought it. Whoever net flow of beaten. And now I've noticed going to fight, I think, Benjamin Sterling next. So and if everyone wins that, right, he's undefeated. He's on this long, long streak. If he beats a former champion, obviously it was bad to me, but if he beats a former champion now, and extends that win streak, undefeated streak, he has to be next for the title. He has to be. I think it's insane for him not to get the next shot. Are they re-matched then? Yeah. Yeah. No offense versus Iblo F, the winner of that fight now gets the next time to chart off the winner of, let's say, Max and Iliya. But I'm just thinking, like, if you're Iblo F, yeah, you beaten the former champion of the Banhanoi Division in, in Eljo, right? And again, you're undefeated. Do you even take that fight to focus? If I'm, look, if I'm Iblo F, I'm like, why, I've already beaten this guy. Yeah. But this is data right. And this is the UFC. Nobody gets what they want. That's true. Especially if you're a wrestler, then you're a wrestler that likes to, like, take people down. You, you don't get what they, what you want. I mean, he's not going to get what he wants. He has to fight. That's, that's a given, in my opinion. I don't know what you'd think. Right. No, now we have the Roberts champion. We have Belala's champion. Could you imagine what they know would feel is we have, oh, he must be popping depression pills right now. Yeah. Oh, man. That would be horrible. I thought you'd just go into the light, have you ever had the uncle I am as the champion there? Oh, God. Yeah. I don't know. I think, you know, Lopez, as good as he is, of course, he has finishes, whether it's knock out or, or with submissions. But I do think that a guy like to pour you or haul away with peace him off, because in the third round, we did see or take us start to find, start to find some sort of groove. He touched them up a bit. And then, yeah, obviously we saw that he gave fight. I think to pour you would take his head off, to be honest. I don't disagree with you. But hey, but Diego Lopez really fought a great fight. I think it was a fantastic performance and credit to him. Then the lightweight division, Ribovitz versus Zaluba, again by decision, Esteban one, that was a good fight. But I'll tell you which fight I enjoyed more. Did you see the Osborne Rodriguez fight? No, I did. I did. But how are you going to gloss over that fight? Just like that? Oh, my God. I mean, it was great. Ribovitz versus Zaluba was amazing. But I enjoyed the Osborne Rodriguez one more. I wanted to talk about both. Fair enough. Yeah. Did you watch the press conference beforehand? No, I did not. Oh, did Rodriguez win? Not. Like, I think Osborne basically, forget what he said, but Rodriguez for a good, like, five ten minutes, just went on a complete brand in Spanish, started obviously, cutting him out. And I just, I mean, you just knew that Rodriguez was going to come for this guy's head. You saw at the first minute what happened, he gets dropped. And then the triangle with him. I have no idea, zero clue how this guy got out of that triangle, because he was not only hurt, but man, that triangle was tight, he was real tight. And then, you know, the next round, we see him get taken down, he obviously gets put in a guillotine, gets out of that. Again, in from a bad position, he turns the tables, lands ground and power. Third round again, you know, it's an even round, gets taken down. You're like, all right, that's it. Somehow manages to get back on top, lands nasty ground and pound. And, you know, we're talking about Mexican independence, and through the event, we're talking about the Mexican fighting spirit. This guy, I mean, that was it. That was it. All every single round he fought through and just found a win with wins. I think he really embodied the Mexican spirit in that fight. Yeah, I totally enjoyed that fight. OK, but now let's talk about ribovits versus Zalubar. So your views on the fight. I mean, I want to ask how you scored that, because I feel as I put it, I could score that fight. I don't know who won that fight. It's very hard. It's one of those fights, whoever is given the fight, you're like, OK, fine. I can see the case for it. So I have a question, right? Because this is subjective, and this is sort of open to yourself and the viewers, because in the third round, right? So again, like you said, it could be open to anyone. But in the third round, specifically, ribovits gets hit with a really nasty elbow, where the heart gets dropped. But then, obviously, after I think in the third minute or two and a half minutes into that round, the tides turn, and you know, you see Zalubar says, "Zalubar." How do he say his name? Zalubar? Zalubar, yeah. Yeah, my bad. Yeah, so you see Zalubar, he's wobbling, wobbling around the place. I don't know how he stayed up on his feet. He's getting rocked with shots, and he's just rolling with them, just finding a way to survive. Now, again, he's on his feet, he's wobbled, of course, and then he recovers, and then they end up having a back and forth again. How do you score that? Like, do you put more radish towards the nasty elbow that dropped him, that drop ribovitch, or do you kind of score in favor of the wobble and the barrage of punches? The draw. Yeah? Yeah. I didn't know, I think like, yeah, I know boxing rules, I was thinking boxing rules. You're all right. The drop counts, nothing else counts. In fact, in boxing, once you're dropped, you get two points deducted in that round as a default, right? Yeah, 10-8, right? It's automatically a 10-8. Yeah, it's always a 10-8. Unlike MMA, MMA does not have that 10-8 rule. So in boxing, let's say, because then since you're the boxing, you're the boxing guy. In boxing, let's say that same situation happened. Even if it's a drop, you see a guy wobbling, and he's just getting pounded on. Yeah, but he didn't get dropped. But he didn't get... Okay. So then who gets the round? The guy who got dropped, he loses the round. Okay. Okay. So that, yeah, that's where the subjectivity of damage, and you know, the judges comes in bit later. Yeah, I mean, for the other guy to win that round, he has to maul him continuously for so many, you know, minutes, seconds in a round in boxing, but I don't... That doesn't happen in this fight, and the drop is eventually considered. I mean, yeah, in MMA, you have the damage calculation. So I don't know how this score, and I don't understand MMA scoring. I think boxing is far easier to understand what's happening in boxing. There's so much cheating, like boxing is known for cheating, the MMA at least has not got that, but honestly, I could not understand how to score that because I don't understand MMA scoring, only Big John McCarthy does. And to be honest, who even knows, maybe even he does. No, he wrote the rules, only he does. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Because again, for me, I wouldn't agree with you. I would say the elbow should count for more, but obviously, the judges sort of differently. So it must be so rough. To be on the losing end of that fight must be so rough. It is... It sucks, but it is what it is, man. You can't change that. But now we come to the most exciting part of the card, in my opinion. I agree. The best part of the card, I think the best fight of the entire night was the prelims main event, Norma Dumont versus Irene Aldana. What a fight. That was an amazing... I think that was the fight of the night. If you ask... For you? Yeah, that was the fight of the night. And did you see Irene Aldana after the fight that cut, like, just people don't understand what the hell happened to that woman afterward. This is what happened to her, ladies and gentlemen, this is what happened to Irene Aldana after the fight. Oh my god, that cut. Oh, that is insane. Look at that cut, man. And these two... I've seen them. They give everything to them. I've seen the video, like, when she's on the stitching, like on the stitching, but she's lying down in the medical room and they actually open it up. That's nasty, nasty. And she fought through that. People forget she fought through it. It's by having that. It was a head strike too, right? That got to her. Yeah, exactly. I thought it was an... No, that's not right. It was a part of her. No, that's right. She was going all that she walked in and... that's strike. Oh, that's so unfortunate. That is so unfortunate. Because, I mean, that definitely has a particle in the outcome of the fight, right? You can't tell me that you fought part of your face hanging off. You can fight the same after that. You really can't. And the fact that she fought one, you know, that's just the veteran spirit that you see in Aldana. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever seen a nasty guy that I've ever been. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. I think this was the best fight of the night for me. For me personally, this was the best fight of the night. Both the women fought so well. I've always said this. I don't watch women's cricket. I love women's MMA. I think women's MMA is amazing. You have the best fight. The greatest fight I've seen in my life, men and women, one of the best is Zhongwai Lee versus the Boogie woman. Oh my God. What a fight. The first one. The first one. What a fight. Yeah, yeah. A fight rounds of absolute mayhem. And oh, that was one of the greatest MMA fights I've seen in my life. Those two women gave it all and. And it's just, it's amazing that Zhongwai Lee still is going strong after that fight because. Oh. Oh. She got killed after that, right? She got a head kick knocked out by Rose was that before after. I forget before, not after. I think she, she, I think I was before that. But yeah, I mean, Zhongwai Lee is amazing. She is amazing. She is amazing. The next fight was Ignacio Bahamundis who basically knocked out manual Taurus in the first round itself around minute four. So that was a great fight. That was a good, good TKO for him. The other strawberry fight where Kettlyn Sousa won by submission. What did you say Yasmin made? That was a big mistake from Yasmin. I mean, to get submitted the way she did that was a very, very, very bad mistake. It's tough to say because, you know, I think again, this was another example of women going for it. They both were just game they stood there willing to trade and that left book was nice. Yeah. But that was the better. I mean, you expect a fighter to be better than that is what I'm thinking. I don't know because, you know, so this is one interesting thing I'll point out. So we don't see many people that come from a Lutel-Evrei background, right? Or at least they're openly from a Lutel-Evrei background. Now, for those who don't know, Lutel-Evrei is essentially Brazilian submission wrestling. So in Jiu Jitsu, the emphasis is more on the control position before submission, right? That is typically the way Jiu Jitsu works. Now in Lutel-Evrei, your priority is getting that submission. So you've mostly taught how to finish submission and go for the finish. So with her, she comes from a Lutel-Evrei background. I think she was just so quick on it. As soon as she saw the knockdown, she saw the chance, went up the net and put her just need. So, yeah, I think that's just where that finish comes from. Fair enough. Fair enough. Then, obviously, you had the-- it is in Joshua Van-- Joshua Van 1, that fight by submission. Then in the early prelims, okay, what did you make of Raul Rosas come back against, while Langgaiori, the decision? So, I have a question. What are your thoughts on Raul Rosas just in general, like you're talking about the Praveen general? Well, it's okay. I mean, I think the-- I think they overhyped it. You think? Yeah. I think-- I mean, he's a good fighter. See, if you are at this level, you have to be a good fighter, but I think they just overhyped him too early. Thing. But, okay, the reason I'm asking, right, is I've seen a lot of people say this as well online. But my question to you is then-- he's 19. He's 19. Youngest UFC fighter ever. You see, like, I don't know how-- it's a bit tough for me to read that this guy's getting too much hype, especially he's got three performance bonuses out of his fight fights, right? 19 years old, and he's finishing people. And you know what? He's not been given-- look, there's no easy fights in the UFC, so he's not been given any easy fights. And even if he was 19, well, he should be an amateur. So I don't know. I think it's a bit harsh when people can see his opponent. But I think it's harsh on him and his life and his career. They should not be putting him in such a position. My whole point is they should not be putting him in such a position. I think it's unfair on him. People are not realizing what they're doing to these fighters, putting them in such tough scenarios. And, I mean, she said the fighter's mindset is such that they will fight combat me because their mind's function is a very different way. A fighter's mindset is very different than, let's say, any regular person's mindset. And that's been a consistent problem, in my opinion, that some of these fighters, you know, they should be groomed more before they come. Otherwise, they take unnecessary damage. And I think what's happening with Raoul Rosa's junior is, I think, the kid is taking unnecessary damage. I, in my opinion, he is, and should not be putting him through that. For me, it's more of a fighter's safety thing because when you're young, you just tend to not care. And I think it's not fair. I think after 2021-22, when you're much more mature as a fighter, there are very few who are young and are at that level. John Jones is once in a 100-year period. Or GSP was much older when he matured as a fighter, Johnson Pierre. He was much older. So usually, what happens in fighting is your peak progress as a fighter is after the age of 25, up to the age of 30. That is your peak as a fighter. You just have a five-year peak, that's it. After that, you paid off. And before that, you're just learning. Unlike boxing, where fighters are protected, yeah, people don't realize fighters are protected a lot in boxing. They're given easy fight, easy fight, easy fight, easy fight. And then they're thrown into that one major fight, that's just the boxing culture. UFC, for that matter, does not do that. Mixed martial arts does not protect a fighter, which can be a good and a bad thing because good in the sense that, okay, fighters have to kind of do whatever is that they're supposed to do because they're thrown into the dark end when the deep water. But at the same time, I think a lot of youngsters who cannot handle the damage and stuff, I think they should not enter UFC, they should go to other promotions, build their stock up, fight some fighters there, then come to the UFC is my opinion. But such is the market dynamic of mixed martial arts where almost 95% of the market is controlled by the ultimate fighting championship and no other promotion really competes with them. And that creates these scenarios, which I feel are unfair because one championship has kind of gone off the rocker. You don't even trust the numbers they put on and PFL bought out Bellator and they are there. So the state of the industry is what it is and basically UFC is doing whatever it wants to do in this industry. It's basically not mixed martial arts, it's ultimate fighting championship that they control the market and I think it's, I don't know, I don't like the idea of very young kids coming in in UFC, I think they should go to other divisions. Now we've covered this, but before we talk about the upcoming card, so one announcement, I don't know if you followed, Mighty Mouse has retired, so another great legend of the game has retired and he won his last fight, so that was good and he's now coming back. I think his loss to Henry Savudo, after that he was in the one championship and I think he lost one fight in the one championship if I remember correctly, but he had a great round in the one championship, he got the title there too, he did those mixed and match fights where Muay Thai won round, MMA won round, he did all sorts of things over there. Roth was very interesting, yeah, it was really interesting and he had a great career, one of the best we have seen in this sport. Yeah, no, I think it's important you bring this up because I think a lot of people, you know, especially fans that have started watching it and being more recently, this guy cleaned up his division for many years, right, this guy was good everywhere and yes, he lost in one FC, right, we didn't lose, but he got knocked out with the knee that he wasn't used to, right, I think he was a downer born enough, I'm not wrong, and then he avenged the loss in the exact same fashion that he lost, which is insane, and then to fight Rotang in a mixed rules match, look, even people were trained in Muay Thai, don't want to fight Rotang, right, in a Muay Thai fight. This guy from MMA is coming in and going into Rotang's world, obviously put him to sleep eventually, but to me that just shows, just shows his, the level he's at, he can strike with anyone, he can wrestle with enemy, and again, he can submit anyone, we've seen those videos of him competing in the Jiu Jitsu scene where he's submitting guys who are double his weight, right, fantastic, what a career, what a career, and I think he's, he's definitely top five of all time. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I think he was a fantastic fighter, the, the transition to submission, what was that, I think it was his second last UFC fight before he lost to Henry, I forgot the opponent. Yeah, flying on by, yeah, yeah, flying on by, the transition was amazing, right? Unreal, we've never seen anyone do it like that, you know, he could knock you out, you pull up the mentions like that, you'll wrestle with Henry Sudo, he could do it all. And I think that it's a shame that the UFC let him go because not many people know just how great he was, and it is a real shame. He was brilliant, he was such a joy to watch, he was, he was an absolute joy to watch. And I wish people knew more about him and, and, you know, all his fights are there on the UFC fight pass if people want to go and watch, watch those fights in the UFC fight pass. But man, UFC 307, is this going to be the future now? So what's the car, let me just pull that one off. Yeah, I have the card on. Yeah, I have the card, I'll pull it off. But era versus Khalil, round three junior, really? Yeah, I don't really know why this fight was made. I mean, look, I'm not going to play. Listen, look at the main event and the co-main event. It's Raquel versus Julianna Pena and Marina versus Khalil, round three junior. I hope Julianna Pena shit talks her way through glory to save this card. Seriously. I think she'll win. I think she definitely wins. Yes, she'll win. And but she needs to save this card. You know what? I think people are sleeping on round three. I think prayer will still win because he's just way, way better in the kickboxing domain. And that's round three's best bet. Yeah, Khalil round three is Tiger more tight, right? He used to go to Tiger more tight, right? To train. Oh, he's a savage. He's a real savage. So I think, like, personally, when I saw this fight getting out, I was very excited just because, you know, I think we can see violence. Yeah, I know, but come on. Look at the card, man. Okay. This fight is more exciting. Stephen Johnson versus Joaquin Buckley. That's an interesting fight. I don't know how that came about, but it's an interesting fight. And Aldo was retired. Now he's back again. I don't understand. I mean, how many times is Josay Aldo going to get retired? I mean, yeah, hold on. Yeah. So that's the fire I was talking about. Evlowib versus Sterling, I think that this is Evlowib's test. He wins that. He's straightaway title contender. Yeah. Get ready for a mauling. Kayla Harris versus Kettle in Vienna. Yeah. See, so after this, right, Kayla Harrison, I think we'll just get a shot. Yeah. That's why they put her. That's why they put her. And then see, you know what they're hoping for? I can guarantee you. They're hoping for Jaliana Peña to win. Peña wins and Kayla wins. Then Kayla shit talks at least something, right? Kayla can shit talk at least parts by stuff. And obviously nobody can shut Jaliana Peña up. You know, Jaliana Peña is Jaliana Peña. So they will have some shit talking. That's their best bet. That's what they're hoping is my assumption. I think one thing that the US is praying for, yeah, is Harrison. It doesn't matter who wins that fight. Harrison versus Kenya, that happens. Whoever wins calls out Amanda Nunez. I think that's what they're banking on. Because obviously Harrison and Nunez have already had a back and forth. Kenya obviously has a history. She has a finish against Nunez. I think that they're praying that the winner of that fight calls Nunez back. Yeah. Hey, this is a good fight, huh? Pennington versus Karla Esparza. Tisha Torres. They're married now. Sorry? No, so basically if people get confused, this is Tisha Torres. She's married to Rachel Pennington. So that's why she's Tisha Pennington now. Oh, well, I didn't even know that. Yeah, he's key. Yeah, he's key, he's key, he's key. She was a little bit more on the same coin. Yeah, they usually are on the same card because they're a couple. They usually are on the same card. Was Satna in a long time. Are they same division as well? Yeah. No, no, no, different division. No, but that must help. You know, I mean, you saw the stringy partners. She's strong weight. Rachel is banned from it. Look, I'll be honest. After the last response, the fight with Nama Nunez. I never want to see her fight again. As in, she can fight. Go ahead. But you'll have to force me to tune in because that was hell. That was hell. I'd rather watch paint dry. Now that I see this card, it's not bad. I think it's got potential to be a boss card. This is a good fight. This is a good fight. This is a good fight too. Dalitsa versus Kevin Holland, not really a fan of. Jose Alda is always a good fight, OK? Steven Johnson versus Joaquin Buckley is going to be a good fight. Kaleel Round 3 and Alex Pereira is a good fight, but not a main event fight. Come on. Pena versus Pennington. Come on, man. I just don't care. I mean, who cares about Jesus? Yeah, just make that like, put that on a fight night, you know? Yeah, this is a fight night card, man. This is not like. Yeah, it would look like a ring, you know? It's a card. Poreira will always be. I think he's reached that. Are you... Jose would say, "I don't care." It would say, "I don't care." It would say, "I don't care." "I don't care." It would say, "I don't care." It would say, "I don't care." It would say, "I don't care." Yeah, they. Oh, I know which one you're talking about. Moikano versus Benoit Santini is a great fight. Then Brendan Allen is fighting Imavov, Warcha. Or Konsai, then. He got prelims, man. Chidotina. Kutulaba is a fun fighter. He always makes funny faces, that's why I like him. He's always done fight as well. Yeah, so that's the thing. The fight night has better options, man. 3-0-7, like 3-0-7 just sucks. I think it's quite good. I think it's got some decent fight on that. And it did for Jose Aldo in the prelims. What the hell are these people doing? He's not official, or is this just like... I mean, this is the UFC. Yeah, because sometimes they shuttle it off, but yeah, if you want the prelims, that's nuts. And that's disrespectful. And he's the first in the prelims. I mean, I think this... You got to do that. Yeah, I don't know what the hell they're doing, man. But when is the Saudi card? Is that before after this? Saudi card is after this, right? I think. Because the Saudi card is, that's the one. That is the one. Yeah, and I guess they're counting on that, because... The Saudi or the Arabid, I forget. Sorry, I could be mixing up. You're talking about Elia Tapuria versus Holloway, right? Oh, yeah, that's 3.0.8. Yeah, we'll do a board time, maybe. Which makes Kansad Chimaev is fighting Britaker. Cyril Ghan is fighting Volkov. Uncle Iev is fighting Rakhage. That's an amazing card. That's a crazy card. That's a crazy card. Yeah, that is a great card. If you compare it through your 7th period, then yeah, I think we'd say, come on. Like for, you know, he's a bit of a bad card. I think this is just a filler card. You know what UFC doesn't care now? They have the ESPN deal. They're like, "I'm gonna fight Stalin here." "I'm gonna fight Stalin here, Bakhi problem, ESPN here." This is exactly what the UFC is doing. It was rose back again. I was fighting, I was fighting, I was fighting, I was fighting. They're just overdoing it. It's just, honestly, I'm looking forward to 3.0. Not 3.0.7. Will I watch 3.0.7? Obviously, because I watch all fights. Like, I watch all fights. But am I looking forward to it? No, like 3.0 is something I wanna watch live. 3.0.7 is something I don't wanna watch live. Got you, got you. So that's the thing that I think you're right. Because it's tough. So you get a card where it'll be stacked right like a 3.0.8. You do have to have those cards in the middle where you just have like, you know, a 1 or 2 out of 5 is like a pair error to sell tickets. Every card can't be a UFC 300 or UFC sphere or, you know. They should not have that many cards. It's my whole point. They should not have that many fights. They're trying to fight every weekend. UFC tries to fight almost every weekend. They just fight too much. That's my whole point. So then, I mean, the fight makes sense. I think the fight next definitely makes sense. Because you have to have the division flowing and you need to have a platform for the lower rank guys or the unranked guys to work up. You know, and I think because it's usually free on TV, at least in the US, on ESPN, that brings the eyeballs in for the eventual interview. So for example, if you see WWE, right, the way the WWE functions, they have your weekly programming with Raw and SmackDown, right, that's shown every week. But every month they have a pay-per-view. So the point of having Raw and SmackDown is essentially, yeah, you put on a display, you build the storylines. But that ends up leading to your paid-life event at the end of the month. And, you know, I think that the fight nights sort of act as a similar platform. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what it is. So before we wrap up on anything else, do you think we missed out on? I think we covered pretty much everything. Yeah, yeah, I think more or less covers it. I think the only one thing I would add to this is the Kendrick Lamar mix-up, the Kendrick Lamar Terrence Crawford. This guy is one of the best boxes in the world. How do you mix that up? That I found this so funny. I found this so funny. Well, yeah, no aside from that, you know, Canelo put on the same night the boxes were there, boxes were at the sphere, not at Canelo's fight. What do you make of that? Oh, yeah, they finally announced John Jones is fighting. Did you see Data and Spread Conference? He was like, "Oh, my God, John Jones was this person. Oh, my God." I'm trying to see her, right? Yeah, I'm trying to see her. I'm trying to see her as the conspiracy theorist on Special Arts. Yeah, I mean, both him and John's have a similar They have similar interests, let's just say. What do you make of, if there were ever was Jisco Amare Marashram, Poper Togea, Poper Zhaala, Changela, Bichara, Ithra time Rookara. Yeah, but it makes no sense because that would be great. He's like, "Yeah, I'm back to training." Like, you broke your toe. It took you about two and a half months to get back into training, whereas Pareira with the broken toe is out defending his title. So there has to be something in the background. Connor's not fighting. You don't think he's laughing from back? He's not fighting. He's too comfortable. Why would he fight? He doesn't care. He doesn't care. But it's not adrenaline. It's that, like, the fight night, that adrenaline rush, the crowd screaming your name, just getting into the fight, the media kissing your ass for months and after. You don't think he misses that? No, I don't think so. He's doing movies, he's selling products, he's selling merchandise, he's a billionaire. He doesn't give a shit, he's done. I don't think so he's gonna fight. He just had... I think it's true. And he's no longer the Conor McGregor that is. The sport has moved on from him. The sport has moved in Conor McGregor now. That's... You know what, you say that and I'm glad that you've subbed that. Because, first of all, it's true. Secondly, it's encouraging because when he kind of did step away from it, there was a period where you're like, "Okay, who's the next big star?" And it almost felt like the UFC was forcing it in terms of building their next big day, right? Or their next big Conor McGregor. But I think it organically happens. You see guys like Sean Strickland who just, you know, organically became a fan favorite. You see DDP now, you know, he's a killer on the mic and he's now a fan favorite. Portland, Alex Pereiro, by saying nothing. By saying nothing. Fan favorite. So yeah, I think it's just a sport that it moves on. And we've seen stars come and go. Conor McGregor is no different. And I'm glad you've mentioned that. Yeah, I mean, think about it, Mike Tyson. I'm going to eat your children. Nobody talks that, right? But the sport moved on from Mike Tyson too. The sport moved on from Mama Dali before that. The sport moved on from every big boxer after that. Yeah. The sport moves on. The sport is, you know, the sport is much bigger than that. I think there's just too much. People are obsessed by putting their eggs in the Conor McGregor basket. I just, I mean, nobody cares. I mean, we have such gun fighters now, so many good fighters. Like, just look at the division, man. You have so many good fighters. Like, the list is endless. The list is endless. Yeah, in this division, right? I think, funnily enough, the only guy that I can confidently back McGregor in terms of being the favorite in the lightweight division or the sort of catch rate 165 would be Michael Chandler. Aside from that, I think everyone else gives them a tough time. Which is great. Yeah. Yeah, I think, well, it is what it is. We'll end up there. We'll be back after 307, whatever this card is. We'll cover it next month whenever the card is done. I think 307 card date, let me see. 307 is November 9th, so we'll cover it after that. No, no, no, no, no, 307 is not November. What the hell is wrong with me? October 5th, sorry. October 5th is 307. So, yeah, we'll be back after that. So, everybody, go follow Warren on X and Instagram. The handles are there in the description of the podcast. And if you want to support the Charvak podcast, do consider joining the membership program or buying the merchandise on crucial matter.com. If you can't do anything, just like this video. Subscribe to the channel. And if you're an audio listener, do give us a rating on the audio platform. I'll see you guys next time until then. Take care, bye-bye. [Music]