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Broadcasting live in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. If it's unexplainable, we're talking about it. Whether you're a believer or a skeptic, we cover everything where the unknown becomes the known. And now, now, here are your hosts. Jenny, the Cassia and Tom. Call away. Welcome to Chasing Prophecy on the Oracle Talk Radio Network. Broadcasting from Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and all around the world. I'm your host, Jenny Nicascia, along with my fabulous co-host, Tom Callaway. Hello, hello, everyone. Great to be on. Great to be back on. I feel like I've spent so much time away, but really, I was just on last night with Beyond the Radar. And shout out to Haley, our interns. She did a wonderful job, but there are legends from around the United States. Well, that's good to know. And we have a special co-host, Shaun Kelly, from my former co-host from Chasing Prophecy Years ago. It's so good to have you along for the ride tonight, Shaun. Thank you. Thank you. We have a great show planned for you tonight, guys. And I want to thank everybody here. And if you're in the chat, if you're not in the chat, you better get in the chat because we want to talk to you. Well, I just want to say, Tom, me and Shaun go way back. He was my very first venture four and a half years ago. And he was my fabulous co-host then. And it was just me and him. And then we brought on Jason and I, Petro. And then it was Shaun and Michael. And then it was me and Tom. But we go way back. He's a great guy. He's a great host of his show. He has a lot of followers. And a lot of people really like him because he's down to earth and compassionate. So tonight, Tom and Shaun, we have something close to Shaun's heart. He loves talking about this topic, the flat earth. And we have a great book. We have a good host guest coming on. Is he in the studio yet? He told me he was signing me. Yeah, he's in the studio now. I love the name. Your old pal Mike. That's a wonderful name. That helps us out to remember. And that's wonderful. I'm really happy somebody took the time to be on our show and, you know, all across the radio. 24/7, all over the world. Oracle talk radio network. So we'll be going live here with Mike in a minute or two. But if you don't mind, I'll read the little bio that we have. Go for it. Go for it. All right. Your old pal Mike was first introduced to the flat earth subject matter in 2017. He's been studying the subject ever since. He runs the flat earth archive page on Facebook, which he started in 2018. That has a variety of videos, including experiments and observations demonstrating the absence of the glow model Earth's alleged curvature. Errors within the modern heliocentric model and examples of space agency fails and fraud. So we're all about observing fails and fraud. That's what we do here. We give a platform to everyone who wants to talk about it. And it's, you know, it's a great discussion. Let's just have a good conversation about flat earth theory and calling people out for their fails and frauds because I think that's something we all agree. Definitely. Yeah. And if you're, hopefully, if you come on, sometimes stream are just a little slow to gather the people. So we're going to discuss. It's an open discussion. It's not like we're not going to be doing interviews so much anymore. We're going to do open discussions where all this participate and just put in. You don't have to raise your hand. Okay. You can just put in. All right. Well, without further ado, let's bring on your old pal Mike and get the conversation started. Mike, thank you so much and welcome to the chasing prophecy radio show. Hey, thanks for having me guys. Yeah. My pleasure to meet you, man. I'm glad you made it with the fires. Where are you at? I'm up by, I'm in Lake Elsinore. So there's this massive fire called the airport fire that's going on right now. So it's been pretty crazy. A lot of people getting evacuated, you know, ash covering everything looks kind of eerie. You know, the sunlight, you know, shining through all that smoke. Oh, yeah. Very scary. Very scary. Well, we're glad you're all back. Hopefully everybody in your community and you and your family. Hopefully everybody, you know, escapes all of that. I know it can be a terrible situation. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. It's been interesting. Can you guys see me? Okay. It doesn't show me on the screen there. It's like a white box. Yeah. I see it. I see it. You see you. All right. Cool. Yeah. I'm going to remove and bring you back on. Maybe that'll. I don't know if it helped you or not, but. Yeah. Whatever though. I just want to make sure like I was visible. Oh, yeah. And you guys. If you were in like a frozen compromised position or something, we would help you out and take. Are you. Not. You frozen. You frozen. No, I don't think he's frozen. I think he's okay. Is he frozen? He might be. I think he is frozen. Can you still hear us, Mike? Yeah. I can hear you guys. Your camera is frozen, but that's okay. Yeah. We can hear you. Try logging back in real quick. Yeah. If you want. Yeah. We'll keep it going. We'll keep the fire. Let me sign out of here and see if I can jump back in because it was working fine before you guys loaded me in. I could see myself in the little intro screen, but let me pop out. I'll pop back back. All right. It is Ryan here and I have a question for you. What do you do when you win? Like are you a fist pumper? A woohoo. A hand clap or a high fiver. If you want to hone in on those winning moves, check out Chumba Casino. Choose from hundreds of social casino style games for your chance to redeem serious cash prizes. There are new game releases weekly plus free daily bonuses. So don't wait. Start having the most fun ever at Chumba Casino.com. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. BGW Group. Forward web prohibited by law. 18 plus terms and conditions apply. As a United Explorer card member, you can earn 50,000 bonus miles. Plus, look forward to extraordinary travel rewards, including a free checked bag, two times the miles on United purchases, and two times the miles on dining and at hotels. Become an explorer and seek out unforgettable places while enjoying rewards everywhere you travel. Cards issued by JP Morgan Chase Bank NA member FDIC. Subject to credit approval. Offer subject to change. Terms apply. That's weird. So, yeah, before we get that technical stuff out of the way. Flatter. I've seen this rise in popularity, right? On Facebook first. And then Instagram tick-tock and that sort of thing. And there we go. We got you now. Now we got you. Can I read something? Can I read something? Sure to add. Okay, Google is the world flat, right? And according to Google, okay, Cindy Simpson, good to see you, hon. No, the world is not flat. The idea that the Earth is flat is an, I don't know, A-R-C-H-A-I-C. Archaic. Archaic, yeah. And scientifically just proven concept. Modern belief in a flat Earth are not based on scientific knowledge and are considered a form of science denial by experts. The idea that the Earth is flat was once held by many ancient cultures, including those in the ancient Near East. However, the scientific consensus is that the Earth is roughly spherical. It has consensus is based on multiple lines of evidence that have been confirmed over more than 2,000 years. Just had to put that out there, dude. So that's where we'll start off, Mike. That's the official, okay, Google said it. So that's the, you know, that's the gospel. So we'll start there. I mean, we've all learned in school about the flat Earth model and the geocentric and heliocentric and things like that. Let's start there where, you know, what have you learned in your pursuit of knowledge? Well, I was never taught anything other than heliocentrism in public school. So that was the only model I was exposed to. I didn't come across this information until 2017. And it was the abundance of independent experimentation that really brought me around to realizing that the global model Earth doesn't exist. Its curvature is absent. It can be proven to be absent. Just over and over example after example, I did bring a presentation to share with you guys today. If I'm able to do that. Absolutely. Yeah, let me see if I'm here. So first I'm going to show a little clip of some costs because I like scale. And so this is from, this is going to be from like heliocentric globe position. So this is from my position. This is what I'm going to have to say. So let me share here. Can you explain heliocentric to people who might not know what you're talking about? Yeah, there is. Yeah, heliocentric is the model that we've all been taught in school where the sun is at the center of the solar system and all the planets orbit around the sun. In past in the history, you know, they always thought the sun was still, but in modern heliocentrism that say that the sun's moving over a half a million miles an hour around the galactic center of the of the Milky Way, basically, but all right, you guys see my screen there. Yeah, let's just hear because I want you to hear the scale of how easily the earth's curvature can be detected. So we're going to listen to a few sources here. Alright, there's a lot of layers. And this blue stuff is spoke? Well, it's like a boat. Anyway. Why? The ships sail away. They don't disappear all at once. Now first, the bottom will disappear. See the bottom of the ship is coming. Now we can see midway up and then the whole thing disappears. Now ships came back. They didn't fall off the table. So the world is curved. I mean, it's a big curve, but it's curved. So the process of testing claims what we call science. It's so clearly obvious that the world we see when ships leave the harbor. You can see as they gradually disappear below the horizon. One of the things you can see yourself with a pair of binoculars is if you want to take and there are boats on that lake. The farther away a boat is, the more the bottom of the boat will disappear and you'll basically just see the map. As a boat goes farther and farther away, the last thing you will see is the very top of the mast of that boat. And that's because the boat is actually going over the, that's curved. And that means that as it goes farther and farther away, you see less and less of the bottom of it and more of the top of that. You can see that with binoculars by an ocean, by a lake. It's really easy. That wouldn't happen if the earth were flat. All right. So that gives you an idea right there. As far as the scale of the earth, and they're correct. If the globe model earth is true, then just in a few miles, you should be able to see boats disappear over the curve. I want to give you some figures here real quick. In three miles, six feet of drop should be expected. In seven miles, 32 feet of drop should be expected. In 10 miles, 66 feet of drop should be expected. 20 miles is 266 feet, 30 miles is 600 feet, 50 miles is over 1600 feet of drop that should exist on the globe model earth. Now, you might be wondering how I came up with those figures, and it's really simple. All you have to do is pull up an earth curvature calculator, and it'll give us the rate of drop. You can even enter in the observer height, which will tell you how much of a target should be hidden from the observation height. A disclaimer I want to give is that there are a lot of channels out there dedicated to allegedly debunking flat earth related content. They like to claim that these calculations aren't accurate for two primary reasons. The first is that they claim the calculation being used isn't accurate because the formula being used is for a parabola and not a sphere. What they won't tell you and choose to ignore is that a portion of a sphere is a parabola. The formula being used in these calculators is an accurate linear point A to point B calculation for anything at a distance of 1000 miles or less. Beyond 1000 miles, it loses its accuracy, but as we saw with the boat example, you don't need examples beyond 1000 miles to demonstrate the globe model earth's alleged curvature. So when they say it's not an accurate calculation in formula, they are telling a half truth because it is an accurate formula up to 1000 miles because a portion of a sphere is a parabola. Also flat earthers didn't create the variety of earth curvature calculators that can be searched for online. Why would non flat earthers create calculators specifically designed for the sole purpose of calculating the globe model earth's curvature and all use an incorrect formula. The answer is they didn't because it is an accurate linear formula for up to 1000 miles. So if someone tells you otherwise they're either lying or ignorantly parenting incorrect information. The other excuse to use is that these calculations don't account for refraction. So they like to refer to specific calculators where you can add in a formula for refraction. But again, this is disingenuous to assume that a formula exists that can accurately portray weather conditions, which constantly vary day by day and even moment by moment. Using the raw calculation like I used for rate of drop is perfectly sufficient. And it isn't nearly as subjective as a formula for alleged refraction. So that's kind of the intro to give the scale so that we know what we're dealing with, because I have a variety of examples that will should be able to prove to everybody that the globe model earth's curvature doesn't exist. And at the very least it will get you questioning. So, let me follow that point of view. Anyone have any questions or anything else? Yeah. You see, go ahead Sean, you go first. Okay, I was in the United States Navy. All right. And I was at it see for three years and three months. Okay. And if you're telling me that the earth is flat, I wouldn't be here today because I would have fell off. That's simple. I'm not I don't need to tell you I can show you. I do respect what you're doing. Okay, I do respect that. But I would not be here. And I'm not trying to make a joke out of it. And for all the flat earth people I have talked to on shows and stuff like that. I don't understand. Maybe you can prove to me why I'm still here and I didn't fall off the edge. Gravity. I don't know. Um, so you're saying it. I will sometimes believe it's a sphere. It's not, it's not like a ball, but it's more like a sphere. Because they said, okay, let's get back into some conspiracies going back to Hitler. Okay. Now he thought there was something over there in our, in Oregon. They say that's where the, that's where it clips off. If you believe in flat earth. Am I correct or am I wrong? Is that what he says? Everything goes. It's there's like, I'm sorry if froze. I couldn't hear what you know. Okay. I mean, I go back to conspiracies. Um, and I did that did some research on the flat earth. And because I was going to write a book on it, but, um, don't laugh. Okay. So, you know, the theory is going back to Hitler. He believed that it was, I truly believe Hitler believed it was flat. And he thought that Antarctica, that's where the edge was. Um, and there was something beyond Antarctica that they have that treaty instill that you can't go over there because there's something there that they're hiding. No, is that, is that true? I mean, does that lead up to the, the flatter theory that there's something in our Antarctica? Am I on the right track? Am I? Well, yeah. Well, the Antarctic treaty absolutely exists. It's been around since 1961. It prohibits all independent exploration south of the 60th parallel. And you can't go beyond that point independently. Of course, you can take guided tours to Antarctica. But when it was instituted, 12 nations took part in that. Now we're up to 55 nations. And it's really interesting with all the chaos in the world, the alleged fighting amongst countries that, you know, what would seem like an unimportant chunk of ice on the bottom of the ball would have a treaty that's been lasting, you know, over half a century at this point. It is very suspect at the least. The Hitler side of it. I really don't know anything about that. You check it out. I'll send you a link for it because I did some research and was very interesting. But like the ice wall, going back to the ice wall, there's something over there. Why would they make up? Why would they tell us that the earth is round? But G, what do you think about this theory with it being a sphere? Like it's not, it's like a like a sphere. I think you're I think you're meaning oval. Jenny. No, no, not oval. It's a sphere is a sphere is round. Yeah. No, it's like a, it's, it's flat and it's like a sphere. Like a cylinder cylinder. That's it. Okay. It's not, it's not. Yeah. I don't, I don't buy into that. You don't lie to that either because now I kind of think that might be. Well, so what I could show you, well, there's a couple of things. A, I prepared a list of experiments and observations that can prove that the glo model earth curvature isn't there. There's a lot of why's they come with this subject matter, right? I was hoping really to do tonight is established that the curvature doesn't exist because there's a lot of, and I don't mind going into those. I'd love to dive into a lot of those wise and everything. But maybe, you know, if you give me an opportunity to kind of show you a series of examples that can show you that the curvature doesn't. It's not there. It simply just doesn't exist. It's not curved. Okay. And when you say it's flat, are we talking like a piece of paper flat? Like the earth. Yeah, let me show you. Let me show you some common maps. Okay. I was going to save this because I figured you guys would ask me about the seasons at some point, how the seasons work on flat earth. And I was going to kind of share this graphic with that part, but let me pull it up real quick here. And if you have any questions on the chat. And if you want to call in, we have a call in too. And it's 7243744619. All right, so I'm going to open this guy up here. Share screen again. We're going to open this up just to give you an idea of a common flat earth model and the ones that I lean towards. I'd like to say that none of them. I don't adhere to a specific model at this point because I just feel like there's too many unknowns that can't answer at this point. Looking for excitement? Chumba Casino is here. Play anytime, play anywhere. Play on the train, play at the store, play at home, play when you're bored. Play today for your chance to win and get daily bonuses when you log in. So what are you waiting for? Don't delay. Chumba Casino is free to play. Experience social gameplay like never before. Go to Chumba Casino right now to play hundreds of games, including online slots. Ingo, slingo and more. Live the Chumba Life at ChumbaCasino.com. As a United Explorer card member, you can earn 50,000 bonus miles. Plus, look forward to extraordinary travel rewards, including a free-checked bag, two times the miles on United purchases, and two times the miles on dining and at hotels. Become an explorer and seek out unforgettable places while enjoying rewards everywhere you travel. Cards issued by JP Morgan Chase Bank NA member FDIC. Subject to credit approval. Offer subject to change. Terms apply. Are you guys seeing that? Yeah, we see it down. I'll move it up. I'll move it up. There you go. Okay. Okay. Is it changes? Okay. So this would be a common modern rendition of it called the azimuthal equidistant projection. And it'll tell you in this description that, like it says, all points on the map are currently correct distances from the center point. And all points on the map are the correct azimuth from the center point. So this is well acknowledged as far as a map goes. What's interesting about this is the World Meteorological Organization uses this map. The International Maritime Organization uses this map. The World Health Organization uses this map. And also the UN flag uses this map. And if you want to go back even further than that, we can look at 1945s of war strategy map that uses that same layout. We can look all the way back to 1892, which is a map by Alexander Gleason, which he created in 1892 that has the identical layout. And then we can go all the way back to 1500s. This is a map from 1587, long before NASA, long before this modern debate, showing the identical layout. So when I'm talking about these things, those are generally what I'm talking about. What's beyond that is hard for me to say, because like we already referenced, the Antarctic Treaty prevents independent exploration beyond the 60s south parallel. So those are things that we really don't have access to. But as far as those maps you just saw, I mean, that's a whole variety of legit institutions going all the way back to the 1500s using the identical layout. The reason I pulled that up is because you can see how the sun confirms this map. I'm going to open this up real quick here and do share screen real quick and I'll show you with examples from the sun. And this is how the seasons operate on a flat earth model because you might wonder how they operate. Well, this will give you the idea. So this shows you one of those maps, it's showing you the suns circumnavigate with the antilemon. There we go. Oops, let me go back to that one. Yeah, so that's the suns circumnavigating with the antilemon on it. It's going to show you further in this video. You're going to see should cut right here. See, this is how the sun operates during the seasons. It starts in the center near the Tropic of Cancer and it moves outwards towards the equator and then ultimately out to the Tropic of Capricorn and then moves back in. And that's how you get more heat or the northern hemisphere in the summer and less heat during the winter. This little graphic, let me go right back to that guy. This little graphic shows you the sun also to create that anolema. It changes in altitude. It's at its highest altitude around the Tropic of Cancer. And then you'll see it move all the way out and lower an altitude when it gets to the Tropic of Capricorn. And this is how the sun actually operates. This is time lapse demonstrating that. So you can get a view from the Arctic and Antarctic and you can see the sun arching and curving towards and away from the viewer. So this is time lapse footage demonstrating that right here. On this next clip, you can actually see the position on the map as the sun is as the sun's moving. And it's showing you winter on the left and summer on the right from the same position when the sun is either further or closer. Same thing right here. You have some more time lapse just showing you the movement of the sun. This is from near the north. Yeah, yeah. So it's near the Arctic and you can watch the sun raising and lowering. This is when it's at the Tropic of Cancer. So it's very, very close. We can demonstrate that these maps are real and accurate just by looking at footage of the sun. And when you've talked about circumnavigation, when you look at those maps, that's the same way circumnavigation operates. When you go east to west, it's circular because the compass is always facing the north. So as you're following that compass and that compass is keeping a northbound heading, you're going circular either east or west. That's why you can leave from one position and return all the way back around to where you came from. As far as falling off the earth. I don't know if that's possible. I tend to lean towards a biblical cosmology model where in the firmament has us enclosed, and there are waters above the firmament, just like the book of Genesis states. So the falling off the earth is more like a scyop to ridicule a flatter perspective. Like when you see... I'm not ridiculing you, dude. I'm just... Well, gravity would keep you on, right? Well, if there's no way to fall off, if it's blocked in, then you wouldn't... You're saying someone blocked it and that you can't fall off. Yeah, you could be sailing forever on the water and you know what I mean? Unless you had a pinpoint, you wouldn't know exactly where you were at. So, Mike, what you were saying, and I appreciate what you're saying, is you're here to disprove the curvature, and what I like is you're not making up all of this other stuff about "I know why it is." You're just saying "I'm here to disprove the curvature." And everything you have showed so far has made sense. You have a nice little type package right there of everything with models and things like that. So that's off to you for that research. One of the people in our chat just now... Well, this is Nicole. What is your idea? Are the rest of the planets flat, or is it just ours? Well, I don't believe in other planets. I believe that there are celestial bodies above us. I believe that the eight objects that we refer to as planets are what the book of Enoch refers to as the Wandering Stars. And then there are other celestial bodies that rotate around us as well, up above. So I don't believe they're planets as far as their shape. You know, they're obviously spherical, or maybe not spherical, but they're very least appear to be round. But we don't have access to these things. You know, I don't believe or trust the modern space agencies. I think there's more than enough to show that we didn't go to the moon, that I have videos on the Flat Earth Archive page of harnesses being used, CGI glitches, all the rest. If anyone can think that they were live streaming video footage with 1960s technology from an orbiting body allegedly 250,000 miles away, you're just not thinking. If you think they landed on the moon first try with a computing system that had less power than the original Game Boy, you're not properly thinking about these things. So I, you know, I don't know, so it's like a pizza. Yeah, you know, as far as we can tell so far, you know, he's Italian Mike. Well, I'm just trying to get an idea. Like, it's like a pizza. It's like, it's not like that's not too bad of an analogy. If you think about it where the crust would be the ice wall, you know what I mean, and then we're all toppings. That's not a terrible like analogy. Now, there are those who believe there are other lands further beyond the. I've seen some of those maps. So, you know, again, it's unverifiable to me. So I just take it in. I learn about it. But I, you know, I can't say whether that's true or not. Obviously. Yeah, a couple videos here. We'll pick your brain on them. Yeah, yeah. So I got a presentation that should lay out for you pretty clearly that the curvature does not exist. It should make it fairly concrete. So let me pull it up right here. Second. All right, this guy. Share screen. Yeah. Yeah. Sebastian says gravity could be a made up phenomenon. I'm not sure. How you doing Sebastian? Good to see you, buddy. Nice. Sebastian. Yes, Sebastian. Thank you for being a part chasing prophecy. I have a good state. Is it true? No. We got to go down further because it's. Did that screen where to go? I don't see it disappeared. Yeah, I don't see it either. Let me try that again. Is it working now? See something that says laser experiment. There it is. So I'm just going to, I'm going to go through a little bit of a lengthy list, but I'm going to try to keep it pretty brief as brief as I can. So this is one of the examples and all this stuff can be viewed in full on my flat earth archive page on Facebook, but for the sake of brevity, we're obviously not going to watch through a whole load of experiments. So I'm just going to touch on them. This is one of the earliest experiments I saw. This was put up. Jimmy took his snowmobile. He used GPS positioning. He acquired a high power laser because he wanted to test these things for himself. He went out on a frozen lake to measure seven and a half miles with his laser. Found the laser coming straight across Adam, where in 37 feet of drop should have been present, which isn't possible on the globe. Maybe we went too far. There's also a 20 by a husband and wife, wherein they shine a laser. Like I said, 21 miles over a body of water, we're in 284 feet of up should exist on the globe model earth, yet it wasn't there. This experiment is wonderful because it uses two lasers. You're going to see a little glimpse here. One is at a distance of 14 miles and the other is at a distance of 23 miles. And again, there's the exact figures in there. That is massive amount of drop that should be in present. And the crazy part is, as you can see, both those lights on a level plane. So even if someone wanted to claim refraction is causing this, it's really not possible because you have two different sources from two different locations at two different distances that there's still. This right here is the greatest series of laser experiments ever conducted at this point. Ryan Seacrest here, when you have a busy schedule, it's important to maximize your downtime. One of the best ways to do that is by going to Chumba Casino dot com. Chumba Casino has all your favorite social casino games, like spin slots, bingo, and solitaire that you can play for free for a chance to redeem some serious prizes. So hop on to Chumba Casino dot com now and live the Chumba life. Sponsored by Chumba Casino, no purchase necessary. As a United Explorer card member, you can earn 50,000 bonus miles. Plus, look forward to extraordinary travel rewards, including a free-checked bag, two times the miles on United purchases, and two times the miles on dining and at hotels. Become an explorer and seek out unforgettable places while enjoying rewards everywhere you travel. Cards issued by JP Morgan Chase Bank, N.A. member FDIC subject to credit approval offer subject to change terms apply. So basically, these experiments began in 2013, started releasing their findings in 2021. They conducted a variety of experiment locations under weather conditions, accounted for humidity and expected rates of refraction, and ultimately produced a $20,000 GPS-guided laser system to test the Earth's convexity. There isn't a more comprehensive and detailed experiment in existence using high-powered lasers to contest the convexity of the Earth's surface than this series of experiments put out by FE core. Nothing beats it up to this point. This is an early example, just using its footage. This is Toronto from 31 miles away. And in 30 miles, 600 feet of drops should exist, yet you can see every building of Toronto along that horizon. Not only that, when he pans out, you can see that the buildings left to right aren't curving either, and there are tons of miles from left to right upon that horizon. And again, over 600 feet of drops should be present. This is 30 miles away that footage. This is one of the early examples I saw. People have done this with Chicago 40 miles away as well. We also have infrared footage, so this is going to show you a couple locations, 70 miles away, and 120 miles away. There should be 3,267 feet of drop in 70 miles. This is from Malibu, California, by the way. And there should be 9,600 feet of drop in 120 miles. It's all documented. This is some high altitude red footage. So you're going to see here, there's hundreds of miles in this footage right here. And we'll start for a minute. There we go. There are hundreds of miles in view, like a 400 miles, 6,600 feet of drop should be present. 200 miles, 26,000 feet of drop should exist in 500 miles, 166,000 feet of drop should be present. But everything in the background near the horizon is higher than the objects in the foreground, which is the opposite of what a sphere should be doing. All that isn't good enough. This is a weather balloon footage. This is a hundred. You guys can't see it? Yeah, we see it. You guys see it? Yep, yep. Okay, yeah, this is weather balloon footage at 100,000 feet. And the camera is not using a GoPro like wide angle lens. So there's no artificial curvature because you can look up what other weather balloon examples. So this is physically impossible on a sphere. That's alleged to be less than 8,000 miles in diameter. The reality of a spherical surface is that the horizon should get an increasing rate and become more and more pronounced the further you go. So here we are with hundreds, if not over a thousand miles in view, and yet the horizon in the background is higher than everything in the foreground, which would be expected if we're on a level plane, not a sphere. This view is mathematically impossible when compared to the dimensions and expected rate of drop required by the globe model, globe model Earth. Non visual examples. This is the Navy's rail gun. Oh, sorry. Oh, I was going to say, this is the Navy's rail gun, which shoots a projectile using electromagnetic propulsion at seven times the speed of sound in a linear fashion and can hit a lot of vertical miles away, which should be impossible on the globe. This is an 830 mile world record radio wave transmission, 2023. No, I'm sorry. From 860 to 930 mega. Okay, well, let me just copy right there. Yeah, yeah. So, let me dive into that. I'll close this up. But you can see what I'm saying, right? I know. I can see what you're saying. I just don't understand. So you said that the Earth was flat. Who was at Columbus? Which one was that? Come on. Who originally said the Earth was flat? Columbus? What? What one was it? Well, honestly. Well, I'm not sure on the Columbus thing, but if you look throughout all, like Babylonian cosmology, Mayan cosmology, Egyptian cosmology, almost all ancient cosmology is based on a cosmology where the Earth is stationary and the celestial bodies are moving above us. I know that it was read in the beginning that for allegedly 2000 years, it's been proven that the Earth is a globe. But when they're saying that, they're being very dishonest because they're literally citing one Greek mathematician, sorry, two Greek mathematicians, one being eratosthenes and one being Pythagoras. And those guys are a minority when it comes to the world perspective on cosmology. I want to ask Chad GBT. Who said the Earth was flat? Yeah, Chad. Yeah, Tom. Chad GBT always saving us. Ancient civilizations, including early Mesopotamian, Egyptian, and Greek cultures. However, many ancient Greek philosophers and scholars, such as Pythagoras and Aristotle, argued for a spherical Earth as early as the 6th century BCE. In more modern times, a few figures like Samuel Robothem in the 19th century promoted the flat Earth theory through a pseudoscientific model called Zetetic Astronomy. His work inspired a small movement that persisted into the 20th century, and even today, through groups like the Flat Earth Society. Do you want to dive deeper into one of these historical figures? Did Columbus say the Earth was flat? No, Columbus did not say the Earth was flat. I like its God. I don't know if he said the same thing. The Europeans already knew the Earth was a sphere. The misconception? I told you it was a sphere! I said it was a sphere. You guys said I did it. All right, relax, no, John. It's all right. Relax. Relax. It's okay. So it's a sphere. But Mike, I'd like to get to you. Now, the beginning, you said, and, you know, I'm going to be the devil's advocate here. All right? Yeah. And just want you to know that I'm not knocking you, and I appreciate your stuff into this. Now, you said at the beginning that you go out 23 miles, right? So I decide to take my boat and go 23 miles, and there's no drop. Okay? Do I have to go another 23 miles to find a drop? Well, the drop is essentially the calculation is 8 inches per mile squared is the rough calculation. So the rate of drop should be increasing exponentially every mile that you move. That's why the people in the beginning were saying just a few miles out. You can see a boat disappear over the curve. And that's true because, you know, just a few miles, you're losing 30, 70 feet of drop, you know. So. Hi, Sean. What's that, then? I kind of. Well, what's going on? I'm not going to anybody here. I'm just just. Oh, it's a curvature. It's fine. I believe. I'll see me. I believe there's a curvature. Okay. And I will always believe it's a curvature. And what I like about you, Mike, what I like about you is that you don't. You don't, you don't. You're not egotistical. And I'm being honest with you because me and Jenny had another dude on and we, we could not get awarded because he just kept talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking. And he wasn't what I was asked a question. And I admired that about you. You don't have an ego, but. I think. And in God bless you for studying all this stuff, but you'll never change my mind. There is a current term. I understand. But you know, observable reality. I just can't fight. You know, I don't, you know, I'm not a, the perspective. I'm just after truth, basically. Yeah. To me, it doesn't matter to me, whether it's a sphere or it's flat. But the implications, once you do realize that it's a flat and closed system, really points to the one who created everything. And for those people out there that do trust in the Bible, that do trust in the scriptures that believe in the book of Genesis. The easiest way to know from the scriptures that heliocentrism is a false model is to look at when the stars are created. God says in the very beginning that he created the stars and other celestial bodies on the fourth day after he created the earth. And if you believe in modern heliocentrism, there's a major contradiction there because they claim that many celestial bodies were created far prior to the earth. So, and you know, that's not even going into when Joshua said the sun prayed for the sun to stand still. You're listening to the army. Step into the world of power, loyalty, and luck. I'm going to make him an orphan. He can't refuse. With family, canollies, and spins mean everything now. You want to get mixed up in the family business. Introducing the Godfather at Champa Casino.com. Test your luck in the shadowy world of the Godfather slot. 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And so I have to take that with the grain of salt, what I write in the bottom, and I'm not going to go farther. This isn't my show. Let's take place. Some of the videos that are in turn brought. It goes to music. Okay. Is that a ghost in here, Tom? Yeah. I'm not in the cold cold. It's cold. It's cold. It's cold. It's cold. It's cold. I'll tell you a story before we leave. Which one do we want to do? Tom. I'll go ahead and do the first one. Okay. What do you feel about that? Yeah. That was kind of what I was talking about where there are people within the movement that believe that there are lands beyond. Because if you looked at his image, that central circle would have been the equivalent of all those maps I showed you. You know, the one that the UN flag uses and everything. And some people do believe that there are expansive, like a massive expanse of land further beyond the walls of Antarctica. I'm not there yet, personally. But again, I, I, I side with the, I fall on the side of scripture when it says, talks about the sun's circuit. And it talks about how there's nowhere that its heat doesn't reach. So to me, that kind of nullifies. Like, I think there could be some land past the 60th South parallel, but not to the extent that that image showed. But I don't know. Okay. So I, I don't know. It's fun to speculate about it. And also, you know, I must have slipped my mind about this. But I heard you mentioned the book of Enoch and I got a clap for you because I do love that. I do. And, and Enochi and Biru and give me all of that Mesopotamia, you know, history, really. Forbidden book of the Bible and all of that because, you know, there have been a lot of cover-ups in the Bible. Well, what you know of the Bible now is not what was originally written. You know what I mean? Back in the day. So I will, you know, commend you on that because you, you know, you, and again, what Sean said, you don't have any ego. You're not coming on here saying, I know when you don't. So I do got to commend you on all of that. And, and, you know, you are learning. And so I, you know, appreciate the time and everything you had with it. I would love to have you on again for the, because we could make a whole show on the book of Enoch and what things have been. I would like that. I would like that. From there. There's a lot of parts of the Bible they took out. Yeah, there are. And, but what I said, you know, when you said, you know, you're not there yet on what's out there. I agree because, you know, you got to walk before you can run, right? And the step that you're on that you're doing is the curvature. You know, you can get to the other points once, you know, that has come about. My question and what I'm thinking, and I'll give you my answer first before you. But, you know, why is this taught? Why are we taught this way? You know what I mean? And there's a, there could be a bunch of different reasons. But for me, I think there's some sort of intelligent design in leading us away from truth. And enlightenment is truth. You know what I mean? That's what I'm thinking. The further we stray from the truth, the more we don't know, and the more we don't know, the more outside factors can appeal or form us. Why? I just think that... Why are they hiding it from us? Why don't they want us to know the truth about something as simple as that? Well, when you get away from learning the truth and what's actually out there, you keep people confused. And when you keep people in a state of confusion, you don't have people communicating and, you know, getting our power up. You know what I mean? Being enlightened by talking to everybody. So when you have that, and you're, you don't even know the simple thing of is the earth, round, or flat, and you have people disagreeing with each other. You're not even getting out of the starting game before you can get enlightened at all. Exactly. Okay. Let's go on to the next one. The earth is spinning. The earth is spinning. I gotcha. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Actually, the best argument I've ever seen for flat earth. I'm serious. And I say this is someone I studied physics for two years and I have an engineering degree. I'm genuinely impressed by this argument. I don't know why it stuck out to me so much. Never give a fucking shit about before. But like, oh, oh my. It's kind of beautiful. Like, I don't know. I didn't. Wow. I didn't really understand that one too well, I guess. No. I didn't understand what the point was. The point was the earth seems round to people because it's spinning top over top. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. I believe it's stationary. You know, there's no movement. When you guys talk about gravity, you know, what holds everything down. It's because of electromagnetic forces. When you look at the ground, that's what they call it grounding because there's basically a negative zero charge. The higher you raise into the atmosphere, it increases in voltage. And when you look at matter, all matter has either a positive, negative or neutral charge to it. So when we're talking about things like density and buoyancy and what determines up and down. Well, the determination of up and down is essentially the electromagnetic pole that is drawn on us. And we see these effects even on things like bumblebees. Bumblebees are aerodynamically, it's impossible for them to fly. Yeah. But it's actually a vibration that they make within their larynx that gives them the ability to essentially create almost like an electromagnetic bubble that allows them to essentially hover. So when we're talking about gravity, they need gravity to work with the ball. They need an explanation for how something is spinning a thousand miles an hour at its equator going fit almost over 60,000 miles an hour around the sun, following a sun that's going half a million miles an hour. So they need this invisible force that's trying everything towards the center of these objects of mass. But when you actually study these things, the negative GMM over R squared, which is the formula, it's not consistent. When you go down to a biological level or you go way up to a celestial level, it doesn't work. So what really moves everything around is the electromagnetic nature of the world we live in. So gravity is just a fairytale for adults. It works great on paper. It works great in theoretical physics. But when you compare it to observable reality, it's just nonsensical. Yeah. And real quick, before I get to the next video, that's what a lot of people think in my travels of UFO researches. Their anti-gravity technology is essentially just a bubble and they can move wherever they want inside that bubble and not have to create thrust or how we generally see it as getting out of gravity. So I have heard that, especially with USOs, we can't build anything. Half as good as that can move through the water the way you see some of these videos and things like that. It just moves the water around and they're in like a little pocket. So I just, you know, I have heard of that one too. But this one is called a firmament, Jenny, okay? Firmament. Incredible scientific explanation for the firmament. The ozone layer is comprised of 03. 03 freezes into a solid at 420 degrees below Fahrenheit. The temperature of outer space is negative 450 degrees Fahrenheit, making it colder than the freezing point of oxygen. Therefore, it's highly possible that that oxygen is freezing up there into a glass-like substance. When oxygen freezes, it turns a light blue, making sense yet? Now, if oxygen is freezing at the top layer that touches space right below that, it would be liquid oxygen, which would, of course, explain the waters above. So how would solid and liquid oxygen stay all the way up there? Well, as soon as it got warm, it'd turn into a gas and then it'd just float up there. And then it'd get cold again and turn into water and ice. Here's where it gets really interesting. A lot of people will tell you that the rainbow is shaped like a bow because each individual water drop is circular. That's an absolute BS lie. The water provides a screen. The rainbow is always there. We just can't see it all the time. When the rainfall happens, then we see the rainbow. So the rainbow is always about. And why? Because the light that is emitted from the prism reflects the shape of the prism, because we live under a convex dome prism. Now, if you subscribe to the idea that the ice wall is all around the outside edges of the earth, again, it would explain it connecting to the frozen from it. When we get to the edge, we get to the coldest place. And why is it so cold? Well, people need to understand what energy, temperature, and time actually is. The firmament, or that little, looks like a movie called a dome. Yeah. So it looks like it's around. Maybe that's what we're seeing. And it's not really that it's like the earth is flat and there's just that dome ish look to it. Yeah, be it. I think that's a little bit of what you're talking about. And that could be another answer to the what's on the other side of the ice wall. You know, some have claimed we saw the video that said that there's other lands out there. Well, to protect the secret, it could just be a simple meeting point of where the ice wall and the curvature is. And if that is it, that's reason enough to protect and not let anybody get there because then there's the secret. It's blown. You know what I mean? Because why is that? I think you should go on an expedition. That's probably it. Go fund me for me to go to Antarctica and see what the hell happened. I tell you what, if I hit the lottery dude, I will pay you. You know, working with the other place I'm with. I mean, that guy who owns that station is becoming very good friends with Elon Musk. So maybe he would like kind of like pay for. Why don't we try the letter to not leave? Yeah. Ask him on about it, man. He might like to do something about it. But here's the deal. I'm an arctic. It's cold. Back to it. Oh, yeah, absolutely. But so maybe maybe I'm. Ryan Seacrest here. When you have a busy schedule, it's important to maximize your downtime. One of the best ways to do that is by going to Chumbak Casino.com. Chumbak Casino has all your favorite social casino games. Like spin slots, bingo, and solitaire that you can play for free for a chance to redeem some serious prizes. So hop on to Chumbak Casino.com now and live the Chumba life. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW Group. Void we're prohibited by law. 18 plus terms and conditions apply. As a United Explorer card member, you can earn 50,000 bonus miles. 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So theoretically, if it were the thing, if it were the barrier holding the oceans in like the edge of a bathtub for that matter, it makes perfect sense. It has higher elevation than every other continent on earth. So it literally is ice and it's literally taller than every other continent. So if we don't want to call it a nice wall, that's fine. But it's clearly a very tall chunk of ice in the south. So at the very least, very least we can say a nice shelf. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's get this next video here. All these are proves earth is not a spinning ball by Eric Dubey. One, the horizon always appears perfectly flat, 360 degrees around the observer, regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane, and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20 plus miles high. Only NASA and other government space agencies show curvature in their fake CGI photos and videos. Two, the horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended, the horizon would stay fixed and the observer or camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it. Three, the natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If earth were a giant sphere, tilted, wobbling, and hurtling through infinite space, then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids, finding and remaining level, is consistent with experience and common sense. Yeah, I agree with all that, everything that was said there, you would have to see, that's the biggest killer right there, the easiest one to see, I grew up by the beach. And I can be standing on a hill in Dana Point where I live, and I can see trees and houses in front of me that are at a higher elevation than the ocean, but still they're lower from my perspective than the horizon. And that's the exact opposite of what should be happening on a sphere, the horizon should be continually dropping away from you. It should be impossible that houses and trees that are up on hills higher than the ocean are still lower than the horizon line way off in the distance. So I agree with everything that was said in that video, that was Eric DuBae by the way, I've heard some of his stuff. Oh, well, it was great having you on the show tonight. I, I, I kind of think it's the idea. Go ahead and say it, Jenny, you're allowed to. It's all right. I'm a fly. Truth wins. No, Mike, you brought very good points and I'm very, you know, very happy with all the evidence you brought in the backup and, and to have a discussion with us for the last hour, man. You know, thank you again. And we'll return an invite for Enoch, all right. Definitely. Or if you ever want to tell everybody where you're at, and, and all of that where they can find you. Yeah, the best place to find my content would be on the Flat Earth Archive page on Facebook, but I also have stuff on Rumble, which is under Flat Earth Archive, and also on Bitchute, which is under various bids, I believe. And yeah, it's been a pleasure to be on with you guys and really appreciate your inviting spirit here today and just hearing me out and also a good one if you ever want to cover and have me on. I can do a good little set up on space agency fraud. So feel free to have a breakdown on that. That would be great, man. All right, we'll see you later. Yeah, awesome guys. Thank you. Have a blessed night. That was good. I was good. I was good. I enjoyed what he had to say about guys. No, come on, Sean. You know, you're a flatter. Are you just pretending? Oh, I'm not, man. No, but I mean, but Sean stick into his guns and, and they had a good discussion. You know, both came with, um, you know, good points and, and no, I like that guy. I've been wary of flat earthers. You know what I mean? They seem very stick to it, but no, he came. He had a discussion and he had, uh, he had good points. Yeah, I mean, I'm not knocking that. Yeah, he did get a lot of different points on that. I'm a flat earther. Well, glad to go into your agenda. Sorry. I don't think. Well, you're flat earther. And I believe that there's two withdrawals and already got, and they're not letting us see them because they know because they don't want to tell us anything. They don't want to share that with us. Well, it would make sense. Space is cold. They would need a cold place here. They also come from under the waters to. Yes. No, I know that. Yeah. So, I mean, Jenny, even though you're a flat earther now, I'm not going to judge you on that and we're not going to become friends. No more. All right. You're so much friend and I believe it and I respect it. And that's it. I'm just telling you that I am sticking to my guns. I'm trying to figure out which one of those guys, what's his story in person from history said that out there was flat. Who was the other dude that's so close to somebody else? Galileo. Was it which one said it? One of them said it. And he proved that they were the earth wasn't flat. Somebody said it was flat. Columbus proved that it wasn't flat. I forget. It's another story. Another time. Da Vinci, you have Galileo and you have Kepler and you have one of them said it was flat. Yeah. There was a whole bunch in that early time that 16 17th century that were thinking about it. But no, all every basis of human origin intersects with religion and in those religions had, you know what I mean, from a strictly historical point of view, I'm not talking about text or anything like that. And that intersection, you know, that they had that that the earth was the center. Why am I a reason we've moved away? Why did I freeze? You didn't freeze. You're free. You didn't freeze at all. I was on my side. Well, maybe maybe the computer Sony that you're not a flat earth person that you. Yeah. It's going to haunt you even more. Take it to some of that. Hey, guys. I want to thank you for letting me come on. Oh, thank you, Sean. Thank you for coming on and tell everyone here your show. Oh, okay. Thank you. We're on the radio. I'm on Sunday nights and Tuesday nights, eight, 10 to nine, 10 p.m. On UPRN talk radio 105.3 New Orleans 107.7 Mississippi. And if you want to catch one of my shows, just friend me on Facebook, Sean Kelly, or you can friend Pittsburgh Paranormal Society, Facebook page. They're good, Olive. Thank you. And if you want to watch one of my shows, it goes up before the show starts. And just click on the link and you can come to my show. I talk about everything and anything. No, it doesn't. I have two shows. My Sunday night show is a relaxation show. So who knows what I'm going to talk about. But Tuesday night shows are more into ghost paranormal ETS, aliens, cryptids, whatever, you know, comes down the pike. But I'm glad you brought up the book of Enoch because I'm going to have to read that because I would love to do a show on Enoch. You know what I mean? I can go from there. And I've seen that some of my people came over here to watch your show. Well, Sebastian used to watch us, but he's kind of shy. Yeah, we're here. We didn't go anywhere. You guys put a good show on me and I was impressed. Oh, thank you, Sean. We appreciate that. Always a fan of your show. We talked about some good stuff when we were on. Yes, we did. Yes, we did. And that's one thing about me and Jen knows that I am down to earth and I do respect like I respected Mike there and how he does this flat earth stuff. I respect that from people, you know, and, you know, I always had this saying, I will respect what you believe. If you just please respect what I believe. He would always say that. Hey, Michael, Michael Anthony. Michael. Good to see you, buddy. Thank you. One thing I want to say before I leave, we talked about this office studio. And I forgot to tell both of you this and I truly believe that this house is on something. It's just too. We're in a weird area. I'm actually near the battlefield. But this room used to be an exercise room. Okay. And I converted into my studio, but I used to have ellipticals and treadmills in here and I was doing the elliptical. And I had a little TV over here and there was, I'm not kidding you to this day. I am not making this up. There was a head lysol. I don't know why I was sitting on the ground. It was cement. It used to have a carpet and then we got a flood and we took the carpet out. And there was a bottle of, pretend this is the blistering. I'm not a blistering. Where does that come from? What do you mean they're looking out for? I did buy the story. But anyways, it's on the cement. Okay. It's, um, and all of a sudden, I'm not kidding you. I'm not bullshitting you. I flipped out. I ran out of the room here. This is the ground. Step into the world of power, loyalty and luck. I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse. With family, canollies, and spins mean everything. Now, you want to get mixed up in the family business. Introducing the Godfather at ChampaCasino.com. Test your luck in the shadowy world of the Godfather Slodge. Someday, I will call upon you to do a service for me. Play the Godfather. Now at ChampaCasino.com. Welcome to the family. No purchase necessary. VTW Group, boy where prohibited by law. 18 plus terms and conditions apply. As a United Explorer card member, you can earn 50,000 bonus miles. Plus, look forward to extraordinary travel rewards. Including a free checked bag, two times the miles on United purchases, and two times the miles on dining and at hotels. Become an explorer and seek out unforgettable places while enjoying rewards everywhere you travel. Cards issued by JP Morgan Chase Bank NA member FDIC. Subject to credit approval. Offer subject to change. Terms apply. It went like this. It's slow. Not fast. It went. He's right. Lay lines. What the hell was that? Yeah. I'm not kidding you. So what do you think that was? Do you think it was the Indian land or what? Literally what? You're in a very, very brutal area. It wasn't fast. It was slow. It went like this. Yeah, but that takes. See, that's even stronger because that takes more energy to do that slowly than a quick, you know, and knock it over. What the hell was that? This is the same room. I am not kidding you. Things go weird in this room. So why did you move back into that room? Because my son is a gamer. He's in his 30s like Tom. He plays video games and he wanted to bring his video. He brought his office in here and it doesn't have any windows and he wanted sunshine. So he, you know, because we moved we bought the house together. So he took his office out of here, brought it upstairs, took his game room down into the my old room where I do artwork too. But I like it in here because it's nice. I made it really nice. I have a new plank. I have cool walls. It looks like you guys stay off my lawn. It looks really nice in there. But it's haunted. It's haunted. There's something in this house. I swear. Download ghost tube on your phone and see if you can pick up any words. I don't have a camera for when you're not down there then. Oh God. Sean knows about my weird stuff in the house. But I'm telling you, when we first moved in this house, my father built it back in 1996. We didn't have any furniture before we had to leave. I know we're going over. But before there was any furniture. Sean's not after us anymore. We're not going to get kicked out. You're over time now, Sean. What would it get in trouble? You'd be getting text right now. I'm not getting a text right now. Yeah. We first built my father built his house. There was nothing. Genny, look at that. Our resident, our resident, a seer. Oh great. She sent me a mail there. Well, we know who's in your house here. Oh, we do. But when we first moved in, before any furniture was in here, I'm in my, what would be my son's room when they were like two, what, five and eight, I think it was, or six. Oh, who knows how old they were. I'm laying on the ground with blankets because we didn't have beds yet. And then the doorway frame. I go, I go, I see a little boy, a little boy. He didn't have a shirt on, real dark, complex. And he's in, he's in the door frame. And I thought it was my son. I go, Johnny, go back, go back here, go back to sleep. And almost done something, somebody moved next to me and I went, Oh, fuck, my son's here. Who the hell is that? I will never forget that as long as I live. Who the heck was that little boy in the doorway? Oh, that's my son, Astro protected. I don't think he did that at what four years old. I don't think he did. My son did it at six. Well, maybe he did that. But it freaked me out. So if they did, it was, you know, probably not. Whispers. And Nicole, who do you think? Who's the male figure? Is it younger? Like he's, what is he like, old, old, or is he, there's mid 40s? You see anything out there? So I just came around to believing Nicole on certain, certain on these type of things because, like in ass, I put her to the test when she would say she claimed all this. And man, she, the things she would get right about remote viewing and where I was. And then I started trying. Okay, let me try like murder cases and things like things she didn't even know about. And she would be picking up on all of those things. So she has converted me to the believing side of, of remote viewing and. I'd like to try that. Good job. This stick. There are, there is a younger, well, there is two male figures in my life who no longer here. So there's two, but one's not real young. He's like, he would, he passed when he was 40, 44. My dad died when he was 79. So there are two male figures in my life that could be in here. That would be older and younger. That's a generation. Yes, they could be here. And this part of the house used to be my father's business. He had office construction. The younger, would they like to play a trick on you if they could? Maybe that's where the bottle was slowly tipping because they wanted you to see it. Yeah, because he was dead at that point, you know, it may be that was, it was just so slow that it was like, there's no way in hell. Yeah. Yeah. That felt on its own because it would have what it would have just, you know, slammed down. Hi, Joe. Hey, Joe. Good to see you, buddy. Hey, Joe. Yeah, so I don't know. There's a lot of weird stuff out this with chestnut ridge. Oh, my God. Yeah, I'm going to do a show on chestnut ridge. That'll be another thing. Let me just spend a night out in one of those woods and chestnut ridge and I'll livestream it. Go ahead. Come on down. I'm going to be scared. A lot of cryptics down here. They'll come after you at night. Don't forget. I'm never going to. I'm going to tell you another real quick and then we'll let you go. I used to camp outside in the yard with my boys and my nephews. And we'd, we'd pitch a tent and have a bonfire and we're all inside the tent. We left the, we left the fire fire on, you know, while we were in the tent. Yeah. And all of a sudden, we saw a lot kidding you. Somebody is standing in front of the fire. We were both taken scared. You just saw a silhouette, but you know there was something standing there. I swear, why has that always happened to me? Now I have little kids with me. Did you get up? Did you go look? Oh, we were too scared to open up the tent. There's a thunderbirds out here too. They fly around. Yes, there are. I have a friend that I have a friend that was that in the plumb area. Yeah, thunderbirds. And she sees them all the time. Yeah, there's been late cases of it, not within the past year of signing. I keep going back to point pleasant with. Yeah. You know my story on Mothman. That's a government. That's a government cover up. It could be. Well, Sean, I don't know if you have Netflix, but the latest series season of Unsolved Mysteries have updated reports of Mothman being cited in Chicago outside of Chicago in 2010. I read about that. I did read it. It's very good. It's very good. But yeah, no, there's a lot I'm going to do. I'm looking forward to doing that show, two shows Enoch and Chestnut Bridge. Should try to get Stan Gordon on but you have to have he has to have a phone he he doesn't know how to get on It's hard well, he can call in that calling number and then he'd be on yeah What's in here you because I had less I use my speakers? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, yeah, the Google. Yeah, yeah with that. Yeah I can set that up for Sean too if he wants to Yeah figure that out Yeah, that would be pretty yeah Tom I gotta talk to you because there's a lot of questions I have to ask you not about what we talked about long time ago, but I want to expand my my show and I just I'm here to help. You know that Sean anything for you. I appreciate that. I Appreciate that. Absolutely. Is is mystic the one from California? Yes, that's the call from California Um, were you on the the what's it called the um a clip special she was on that? No, I never remember back in the day if you were on that or not. It seems like forever That does seem like forever ago. Yeah end of April Time flies Jenny tell tell tell Tom what happened Whenever we were on that other thing and there was an EVP taken When we did on our show when we did on when um John Ventory was on no no no we were with our very first that girl that you didn't like we were doing a show and What I forget her name was but they actually caught an EVP when they knew we're having a show Wasn't John Ventory on there that day? I don't know if he was or not, but Tom I want to told you that you were going to hell. Yes. Oh How'd that happen? If we were just doing a show that was an EVP or did a guest say that to you? No, no There was a woman here. I can't remember what she was on the show for. Was she a psychic or something? We had call it. Yes, I'm calling in. Did you guys know who it was? You know who it was? Your friend sees a psychic lady She was on her show a couple of times Carol Obley Carol Obley. Yeah, yeah, yeah, then we have we caught we had call ins people would call in Yeah, and it said Sean you're going to hell buddy. He said it honestly guys Why did what is what were you talking about? You didn't see you didn't believe in something. I'm lucky I remember what happened. Yes, we have the bit. We have I still have it. I still have that we'll have to play it sometime We got to clip that up playing out. Yeah, I'll have to yeah, I'll have to figure out which one we caught it because I think I have it on It's watch man. Why are you coming on? There's a car accident. Yeah, it said it's good. It's watching October have a have some Halloween back-to-back to backs with cryptids. How about we do that? EVP said It's what it sounded like Tom arms to God. Oh, yes, we got some really we had exorcist on Yeah Is training to be an exorcist, you know what this is my office when I go on my shirt So we had a priest on who was an exorcist priest And I got in a suit jacket and tie and everyone just yeah He got dressed up. That was funny Meanwhile, I'm all in black lace and he's all dressed up Yeah, it was like, you know, and freak people out and somebody asked me. Well, why did you dress like that? And I said, well, all these are priests, you know, that was nice. Oh, I hear that No, I'll have to play that. It was it was a good show. He was we had him on before Anybody did he was on fox news and I got him really fast. Tony Tony Sibelis All these guys see why are they they're coming in because just you're on john That or spam base your fan base coming on. You know guys have to come on Tony's a good person. You know what Tony honest to God Tom get Tony on your show. Um, he's from Texas Do I have it wasn't he won't taste in progress before I think I'm not I'm not sure Sorry to hear about that squatch now. I'm sorry to hear about that's a shame. But sorry We'll get it. We'll get it connected. We'll get it connected and you'll be on seriously bright that dude Tony's name down the Anthony Sibelis. 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I don't know she's still out there, but um I found it Oh, no, not the ball. Would you let the ball? Well, we'll say one we have my crystal ball. So we have one and some okay you guys you go first Sean Okay, that's been a long time. That's a good question. Okay. Am I going to get married? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's funny. Tom. That's a good question. Um Will Trump become president? What do you say? It's a strong possibility Mystic wants to know who I win the ball. Yeah, well mystic win the lottery Aww, I'm sorry. Will I get married? I It's not moving Too bad. Well, one more thing before we go My, uh, my nap when my mother passed away. I had this in the kitchen And it went off and it kept going off all night. It was horrible. It was horrible. It was so scary But anyways, I brought this on for Cindy and she's not there Can you win the lottery? Can Joe win the lottery? I'll have time back on the second time Joe, did you win the lottery? Maybe I'll have to call you up Yeah, yeah, he's single. I do what my Alexa goes off itself. Sometimes I swear Oh, no, this is so cute, but we used to play it all the time, right? Yes, we did Yes, no, so you're gonna win it again. Yeah, I'm gonna play to keep it with me now. So we'll play Anyways, okay All right guys. I gotta get going. All right. Well, thanks john for joining us. I really appreciate It was good. Oh, thank you for having me all the time. It's good having you guys pleasure. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye Ooh, kiddokey pokey Okay That was a good show. Tom. It was fun. It was fun. I like that very good discussion and we didn't um Look, it's been an hour 25 and it didn't feel that way. So no it didn't it was a good show. Yeah Oh, kiddokey. Well, we'll see you next week. Who did you say we have on the show next week? We have Joanne faucet on whose husband was in military and she is an expert on Cross branch military projects alongside UFOs and um, she's an experiencer as well. 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