[MUSIC] Hello everybody and welcome to the PHLY post game show presented by Bet365. Download the Bet365 app and use code PHLY365 when you sign up, whatever the moment. It's never ordinary at Bet365 and boy was that not an ordinary game for the Philadelphia Eagles who snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, a 22-21 loss. That in my estimation falls squarely on the shoulders of Nick Siriani for late game mismanagement in his decision to throw the ball on third down and then kick a field goal to invite a four down touchdown only drive for the Falcons to bring in a loss as part of the equation as opposed to going for it on fourth down and then making the Falcons have only three downs to work with and probably settle for a field goal. If Nick Siriani's job is now game management, he has failed this test in the second game of the season and that is why the Eagles are now one-on-one. I am joined by Super Bowl winner Vinny Curry to my left. Jamie Lynch to his left and Fran Duffy to his left. Jamie, I want to start with you. Where does this loss rank in recent memory in terms of just late game heartbreak? It's hard to think of a worse collapse in recent memory. There's been worse losses, but there hasn't been that sort of, Fran started bugging me out right away, I'll be honest. He was like, I don't like the looks of this from the first play and he was like, I don't like the way the announcers are talking, I don't like the feeling of this at all and it started to creep over to me and it's just like, there's been worse losses but I can't recall a worse collapse like that at the end in a long time. Fran, the decision is third and three, there's about a minute 40 left in the game the Falcons are without timeouts. You would think, given the way that Seikwen Barkley had been running, that they would have handed the ball off on third down, even if he doesn't get the first down, therefore ending the game, you bleed off another 35 seconds and you're probably inviting either a tush push or a situation on fourth down when you can either pass or run, keeping the defense on its toes. Instead, they go to try to just go for the jugular and make the pass there and sure Seikwen Barkley should catch that ball but the decision making there from Nick Sirianni has to has to leave you scratching your head. To me, I think that especially knowing where this team came from a year ago, right, with all with the collapse at the end of the season, with the games ending that the way they did. And I know this is a different team and it's a different year and momentum isn't real carrying from 2023 to 2024 but you got to do what you kind of come away with a victory. And that's what all we heard from this team a year ago when you had those ugly wins in the beginning, which every win is important in the NFL. There's no question about that. But at the end of the day, like you have to do what you have to do to come away with the W. Give the ball to Seikwen Barkley in that situation. We said it in the moment and yes, like that if he should have caught the ball, he was wide open, should have been a touchdown, they should have run the ball in that situation. I just can't get over the fact that we have heard all offseason that, oh, Nick doesn't have to worry about the offense now. He's freed up to worry about the bigger things. He should be nailing these decisions. And this is coaching mismanagement, like this is malpractice, the decision there to invite the touchdown as a game losing situation as opposed to settling for a potential overtime at worst situation is absolutely like day one stuff of the offseason. And it's all preceded by him pounding his chest after they get the decline of the of the tush push. And he's, you know, he was bopping his head around in front of Howie Roseman, like keep your head in the game. These are the decision is why the eagles are not too unknown. Now, Vinny, I'm sorry that we haven't heard from you yet. I know that you are rushing as eagles fans. Like, what do you think the locker room is feeling right now? Pissed. They better be from the pissed. Because I'm pissed. Dude, like, okay. I don't even think I've seen it. I seen the body around him. Okay. We kick it off. I mean, the ease, the ease with which they were in the blink of an eye. In the blink of an eye. It felt like four or five plays. They just did whatever they wanted. And that was the worst of the events looked all night. And then I went, all right, well, they've been good in the red zone all night. You know, like, they kind of saved the game in the first day. Maybe we'll step up here and answer the bell. No type like no type of censure. There's 70 players, 70 yards, six plays, three got cooked on that touchdown. But Vinny, what I said earlier, but defensively as one person, but we shouldn't, the defense has a whole as a brother. She didn't even play him in that predicament, because they should have got a sack or two or a four something. We'll get the game over with it. They have no time out. If you were a defensive player in that situation, and the offense, they aren't able to punch it in. They aren't able to win the game there at the end, at the end, they say, Juan drops the football. You were with the team last year. Does that creep in your mind? Like here we go again? Or is that something that that is far far away? That's far. You know, has a defensive issue to say, yo, the word bottle, we got y'all. Yeah. But tonight, that wasn't the case. No, I mean, I think it goes the big issue. There's no pass rush on this team. It is legitimately like that you can count on it. You know, if the Eagles had won this game, that would be the story tomorrow. That would be what we were talking about the rest of this week is where is the pass rush? One sack on Kirk Cousins in this game, really not a lot of pressure at all. And I mean, Brandon Graham looks like the best pass rusher on the team. Right? He's a bit. He's a vampire, apparently. He's unbelievable. And Milton Williams had a big sack of this game. Carter wiggled through a couple times, but for for a defense that, I mean, Vinny, you know, for sure. Yeah, but for decades, this team has been built around a dominant defensive line. Right now it is not there. No, it's not. And we were watching it and we're calling it like coaches was putting in the guys in particular, I mean, you know, in position to win one on one, you got to win the one on one's. Everybody up there get paid the big bucks to win the one on one. I'm pissed. This is crazy. I like, we hang our hats on defensive line play, you know what I mean? We used to get so angry if they were trying to blitz like, no, we got it. The first four got it. The first four got it. I can't. I can't. Tonight. I can't hang my hat on that. So BG is like the remaining guy there that knows the culture that like, is he like, what does he like tonight? Tonight is like Logan. We'll read. Yeah. Yeah. He is like, you know, you see them flying around a little bit, but you know, as it's all new guys mostly, you know, like a guy, you know, Jordan Davis's mate and Milton Williams are probably the next 10 year guys. Well, sweat, but you know, BG's like the staple. And this is just not up to his par, I'm sure. And by the way, it was not just the pass rush. They were getting blown off the ball. Sure. Defense to be John Robinson in this game runs for 6.9 yards per carry 14 carries for 97 yards and Tyler algae, 19 can nine for 53. Like, and that's another thing like do in the means and I, and I like, I know the line coach is like, I'm pretty sure they are freaking pissed as well. You know, we are the goal is to stop the run and then to pin your ears back. Yep. This is this is this is the chat is already calling for you to come out of retirement. Get in shape. You got a couple weeks, maybe next year, we got. And that's like the the way that this game ended obscures how bad the defense was outside of third downs and red zones, like situational stuff. They were getting blown off the ball in the run game and in in past coverage. But I mean, I still all of that said, like they they had the game one if Nick Siriani just does the the easy things there and we're going to hear from Nick Siriani. We'll be carrying his press conference live. Coming up shortly, we're also going to hear from Zach Berman, who's going to give us the sense of the locker room. We may hear from from Jalen Hertz as well. Fran, I guess I want to move on from the Siriani thing, but it's hard for me to because that's the reason they've lost this game. Well, the one aspect of it that I've been scouring the NFL operations rulebook since the game has ended trying to get an answer to this is so Drake London scores the touchdown. There's the unsportsman-like penalty that they take on the extra point. Do they have the option the Eagles have the option to accept that penalty from the kickoff instead and give yourself a kick? What would that be from from Atlanta's 20 yard line or something along those lines? You put yourself in a much better position to get into Jake Elliott's field goal range, which is potentially a first down. I'm still Google AI says that it's better than they get it. We're not trusting AI, CP's not sitting in this chair right now. Yeah, so I'm trying to go through the rulebook and see, I would imagine the next year guys going to be asked about that in post game. I can't get over the decision to pass on third down and listen, if you're in the middle of the field and it's a sort of different situation, I love passing on third down there and trying to catch the defense by surprise, not when there are no timeouts left. The clock has already stopped and not went on the play before. You saw what what Seguin Barkley did, where it looks like he's going to be caught for like a three yard loss. And he jiu-jitsu's himself for a three yard game. The way that Seguin Barkley was running tonight, I mean, he had 22 carries. And to me, he should have had 10 more carries. I am not Mr. Run the ball, but Seguin looked awesome tonight. He was the best player on the field, not take it full advantage. He was the best player on the field tonight. And he and it was a I mean, Mackay Beckton and Lane Johnson in the first half were just picking up dudes and moving them and Seguin was running beyond like he was a borderline. I said to Fran at one point, I was like, what's his chunk like explosive place tonight? Because it feels like he's getting seven, eight yards. And it was only, you know, close to five because he had a couple, you know, minor losses. But he was it was a dominant play for them tonight. And they just didn't do it enough. If you are willing to run the ball on to pass the ball on third down there, run it, and then be willing to pass it on fourth down. You have kicking the field goal there is so dumb. Crazy. But listen, let's give the office a line like you just go back to what you were saying. The opposite line played played well tonight in the run game. They were and the pockets were beautiful tonight for Jalen. Yeah, overall outside the BS time development penalties down the field, which are getting real annoying. The offensive line was great tonight. Oops. And you did see Jalen himself running the ball better tonight when, you know, there's such a difference for him when he's running side to side versus when he's running downhill, like the power that he runs with. He had 13 carries for 85 yards and a touchdown in this game. A few really big ones, especially on that, that first touchdown drive that they had in the second quarter. Nice to see that. And in a game in which the Eagles did not have AJ Brown, we were sort of curious to see what the passing offense would look like. A bit of a surprise how much Britain Covey we got, I would say six catches for 23 yards, including another one that was or not including another one that was called back. Devonta Smith leads the way seven for 76 on touchdown. Very surprising. Only three catches for 38 yards on four targets for Dallas Goddard, Jamie. I was heavily invested in the Dallas Goddard market tonight on that three six five over index there. It's never ordinary at that three six five, but well, that was not what I expected. Me and you beach had a prop of his in the pre game as our, as our bets of the game. You just had four and a half catches. I thought that was a layup. I took the 42 and a half yards. I still thought that was low. I mean, I'm at the point where I'm on a text chain with some buddies going, is Dallas Goddard actually good? Like, I know he is. Yeah, but like, there's plenty of chit times where he just doesn't show up. Is that defense has taken him away? Like, I don't know. Like, he confuses me to no end. There was a lot of grant calculator tonight. And he got blown up on a couple blocks. You know, like, we definitely miss AJ tonight. You don't doubt about it. No doubt about it. And so now the Eagles at one and one looking their wounds are going to have to play on a short week, go down to New Orleans, which looks like, you know, one of the best offenses in the league, the defense is going to have a lot of work to do, friend. I mean, the running defense cannot be on Sunday what it was tonight. They're especially on the edge, you know, with too many times. Just getting worked on the edge, getting pinned inside, getting washed outside on some of those plays. He's, he cannot do that in this game against the Saints. And so that is something that's going to have to get corrected. We saw it down the stretch. We didn't see much price up. It was Nolan Smith in there as Atlanta was trying to run the football. Now we'll see what it looked like. I didn't take note of who was in there at left and on the final drive in that two-minute drill. But to me, you know, that's going to be something that they need to work on certainly. And that was what we said this after Green Bay, because Josh Jacobs ran rough shot over this defense in the second half in that game. So for me, the run defense, especially that front four, Vinnie, you and I talked about it at half time, too many guys on the ground. I mean, Zach Bond was on the ground four or five times tonight from from my count. And then the guys up front, not getting off blocks well enough one on one. And Vinnie, well, you know what? We've got Nick Seriani, it sounds like. So let's, let's go to Nick Seriani. This league, right to 22-21. It sometimes just comes down to a couple plays, but it's never just one play. It's never just that play because all the plays equal up to the win to the loss. You know, we'll obviously look at this game and see what happened. I think sometimes you have to earn the right to rush, meaning you got to have them in passing situations. It didn't seem like we had some passing situations today. They were in third and manageable or second and manageable. So sometimes you got to earn the right to rush. And like I said, when they're ahead of the sticks, that makes it a little bit harder on the pass rush. So we'll look at the tape of this game. And yeah, we'll see what happens. We'll see what, you know, what it is. See, you guys use a tactical circuit a lot, but it seems like there's been a key moment to spend long of this tackles for it. What do you do at this point of the season? I was too early, but what do you do? Yeah, it's early. We'll keep working on our tackling. We'll keep, just like you keep working on your ball security, just like you keep working on the error. You know, your catch circuits is like you keep working on taking, trying to take away the football. But yeah, a couple of missed tackles in some situations, a couple of good tackles. I thought the guys really had great effort to the football. You know, we knew we needed to do that with with Bijon the way he could kind of make somebody miss. And it felt like when he would make somebody miss, there'd be somebody right there in his hip. So we knew he would get some that would, you know, he'd make some guys miss, but our emphasis was trying to make sure that we were there with the rest of the guys to pick it up, pick up the pieces. So to the place, does there any teaching point anything to point out what does a legal down field? I think there were three of them today. Some of them are POs. Yeah. Some of them are on us, as coaches, some of them are on, you know, a player being down, you know, going too fast. We, you know, we coach that not to not to go too fast, but some of them are on us in the certain scenarios of when we call them. It's really hard to get called for, in my opinion, to get called for a bubble screen, you know, or the, you know, to being able to throw a bubble screen out there. I mean, that happened so quick and, you know, you know, but it looked like he, they made the right call on all those. It's just hard when you when you can't throw that bubble screen out there when they when they load the box on something like that. But, you know, we got to play the rules that are that are there. I thought, again, like I said, I thought the referees were right on the calls. Sometimes it was a coaching thing, sometimes a player thing. Sure. Like anytime you go, you go and you don't get points on a drive in the red zone, you know, fourth and three in the first one, you're like, well, should I have one for that there? And, you know, I went for a fourth and three after that, you know, when, after the convert, or the completion to Dallas that got us to fourth and three, we got that and we got points out of that. So anytime it doesn't work out, you know, that's why I'm sitting in this seat, the head coaching seat, like I got to be ready for the consequences of whether it works or whether it doesn't work. And in that scenario, first off, you know, obviously it didn't work. So obviously, I'm going to second guess myself in those scenarios that doesn't same thing on the third and three. It was an incomplete pass. So sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't work. And, you know, all I can do is go back and review those and say, did I like what we did here? Would we do it again? Or would we change directions next time? Everything's thought out of what we want to do, but, you know, that's this game of football. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. And in those cases, it didn't. And so I got to rethink it. With jail and contraception, are you comfortable with him pushing the ball down the field? Yeah, yeah, you got we had press man on one of our best players. And, you know, I don't I didn't see the entire play. It looked like I'll have to see what exactly what happened. But, you know, the intent of that play was to go down down the field. And, you know, he took a he took a chance and, you know, a guy made a good play. I'll have to look at the play exactly and see what happened. It looked like running the ball jail. I had a burst that he hadn't had in a while. Did you guys take up on that? Like, did you want to lean on him in the run games? You know, some of his big runs came on scrambles. You know, and there was a couple that were on called runs, you know, and I thought, you know, obviously, anytime an interception happens, you're going to want that back. But, I thought, like, I looked up at the scoreboard one point. It was 20 to 25, making a lot of a lot of plays for our team, both in the run game and the past game. I thought he really played an outstanding game. Again, we'll all have things that we want back. I think the biggest issue on offense, we weren't good enough in the red zone. But, you know, Jalen did a lot of things to help us to be in that football game and have a chance to win that football game. We played a pretty really good game. You know, obviously, the last play didn't didn't go as we wanted. You mentioned the early fourth and three. What was your thought process on the third down? Well, sometimes, yeah, you can't just be, every time it's third and three, say, you're going to run it, right? You've got to, teams obviously pick up on that. And if you're every time you're third and three, you're going to run it every time you're and set yourself up for fourth down. So sometimes you've got to throw quick. Sometimes you've got to run it. Sometimes you've got to set yourself up. Sometimes you have two opportunities to get it on third and three with two passes. Sometimes you have the opportunities to get with runs. So, again, we can't just be so predictable that we're going to say, hey, every third and three, if you're in four down mode, that you're going to run the football. That's just not realistic in this league. There's too many good coaches in this league. Hey, it didn't work in this particular one. And shoot, I'd like to have those be back. Kellen's offense coordinator makes the calls. Yeah, if you're trying to stir that up, 31 even on those. Yeah, I'm a head coach. OK, so on the broadcast, it's an agent that basically exists. Is that correct? We'll see. Yeah, I don't like, we'll see. I don't know that yet. You know, I won't give you that information yet. I don't because I don't know. I mean, we'll see how that goes. You last on layer of that magnitude. Late in the week, you already had game plan is Wednesday and he's such a big part of it. How much is that changing for you? Yeah, you adjust it. But I mean, that's happened to it. Like, we've been in this league long enough for those things of having to play enough games that happens. And we have contingency plans and, you know, you change the game plan around. You still want to attack them a certain way, but now you're going to use different players and how you attack them. And so obviously, you know, AJ being down, he's one of the best players in the NFL. So you're going to miss them. But yeah, us having the time to go over and switch everything, we have plenty of time to do that. And, you know, like I said, I think that the offense, where we were, we struggled on offense was more so in the red zone because we moved the ball. We moved the ball well. So it was those struggles in the red zone that we got to get corrected because you got score points down there. And sometimes it was because, you know, like I said, like you guys have said, I went for it. No scenarios. Sometimes we stopped ourselves. Nick, you went back to it. But when you're giving up four, five, six yards on the first and second down running place, it puts you in a bad spot when you're rushing the pass, sir. Is there anything schematically that needs to change to guard against the run-up person? You know, every game's a little bit different. You know, and there's many different ways that you can put yourselves in positions. Obviously, it starts with our fundamentals and technique of how we get movement, right? That's where it's always going to start. You can call, you know, we can call whatever we want. It's going to come down to our fundamentals of how we, this is football, you know, and it doesn't matter what level you're at. It's how you tackle. It's how you defeat blocks. That's how you get, you know, you pierce the line of scrimmage. And then, you know, then we got to be able to make sure we put them in position, succeed. And there's plenty of ways to do it. Sometimes it's, you know, with five down front. Sometimes it's with a six down front. Sometimes it's with the pressure. Sometimes it's with secondary pressure. Sometimes it's with blood zero. Sometimes it's moving the front. I mean, yeah, we got it. We got to do what we need to do to help put them in positions. But it's not just ever, hey, do this to stop this. I mean, that's just not how football works. You know, there's, there's many different, different answers. And we got to find the right answers and help put the guys in position and the guys got to make place. All right, we've got you in the hall. All right, that's Nick Siriani, who is never ordinary, just like, well, not as good as our friends at Beth 365 because Beth 365 has 90 million users worldwide. They also live stream 780,000 plus events each year with early payout offers across the NBA NFL NHL and MLB Beth 365 pioneered live in game betting. And today they offer the widest range of games and markets available for live in game betting across 78 sports right now. 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The little things that we just didn't take advantage of. And so that's just the opportunity for us to learn from it. I think we've taken big steps in terms of coming together as a unit and need to continue on that journey and learn from this. And I think it's a great test for us. On the third three play, it was open so you threw it. But what's the coaching point if it's not open? Like, obviously, you're not running out of bounds. I don't want to, you know, I don't want to add in the extra wood to it. It's, we just make the play in that moment. And I trust him in every moment. He's a hell of a player. He gave us a big spark and those moments in. You know, it just wasn't, it just wasn't for us tonight. Early, I think it was some opportunities for short to score in the red zone and we didn't. I much respect to that team. We just played in that defense. They got two great safeties, a great defensive-back group. And, you know, they were disruptive up front. And when they had the opportunity to score in the end, they did much respect to them. Before the third of three play, you guys went heavy on the left side and had to call time out. Was there a play call in that ring? Was that going to be a run play? That's just a simple, you know, operational thing. I'm making sure we got the right guys on the field and executing. You know, I think, you know, it's moments. That was a big time drive. Drive, you think, could close it up, but we came up short. Did you do your best game running in a while? Was there anything different where you just kind of, they just needed that? That's what happened. Some things turned on when they need to. Turned on, but clearly wasn't enough to get the win. Diversity was, you know, about the hit and so forth this season. How much time did you spend in the off-season kind of thinking about that and how to handle it, how that it's here, you know, what's the key? There's no, there's no secret, secret to it. There's no secret ingredient to it. It's just a matter of, am I going to learn from it and am I going to get better from it? You know there's, I said this before and I said again, um, there's no difference between, you know, the joys and the pains and the wins and the losses, just a matter of if you learn from it. And I think that's the perspective that I have on this good, badder and different, we're going to learn from it. And our goal out there is to go out there and play dominant football and win football games and do enough to win the game, ultimately better ourselves, better ourselves in, in growth and learning from these moments. And so I'm in the end, you know, winning is the only thing that matters and to win you have to continue to learn. You have to continue to grow and I think this team can continue to do that. I'll take two more. General, you mentioned obviously, I mean, AJ is a group receiver and you don't want to make excuses or anything, but I mean, just, logistically, when it kind of happens like in the week, you know, after you guys have been practicing, how do you deal with that? I mean, with just six to kind of develop, you know, game plan on it. Um, yeah, I think that's a killing question. Um, and I trust, um, with everything, as we continue to build this and find our rhythm and, um, build our rapport with one another. But in the end, you know, guys had an opportunity to step up and I think guys did that. Um, we got to be better. I got to be better. But, um, feel like, feel like we, you know, we went out there and play really hard. We just didn't take advantage of some opportunities. You seem to trust, printing a lot is, would you agree with that? And where, where did that kind of build? Excuse my, excuse my voice. Um, it's just a lot of time I'm tasked with working with him. And, um, you know, conversations and reps, um, in some approach, his intentionality and what he does. Um, you know, he showed up for us and we'll need him to continue to do that. And I think the most important thing is, um, everybody is focused doing their jobs to help the team win. And as I said before, to do that, you just have to learn from everything. You have to learn from your mistakes that no, we will, we'll be better from it. I don't know if you guys caught that, but, uh, Jalen Hertz gave me a little homage there to Frankie Beverly, the, uh, his favorite singer who passed away this week, the joys and the pains of, uh, a loss like this of playing this game. I was thinking about the, the joys and pains of like, you know, Nick Foles has his retirement ceremony tonight, right? Uh, uh, retires as an eagle, very nice little thing. The joy of getting to celebrate that, the pain of not getting able to play in the league anymore. This game obviously is going to be lasting as a, a pain source for Eagles fans, right? Uh, I think Jalen played a pretty good game tonight. Um, when he was running around, he didn't have a ton, a ton to throw to, but his legs looked good. I don't really put that game ending interception on him. I mean, he's trying to make a play, right? But Vinnie, I guess for you as you, as you watch Jalen there, do you feel like he has the, you know, and with Kelsey on the broadcast tonight, you know, it's sort of the same thing as, as Foles, but if he was sort of the emotional leader, do you feel like Jalen is the kind of guy who can sort of carry this team forward from a loss like this? Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, and that's why he's the leader of that locker room leader of the team. Um, the guy there, Riley from this, but for tonight's sake, I think we all just pissed, bro. How that ended and, um, you could hear it in his voice, you know, he said, like he was yelling, you know, he played also in a lot of, I was thinking that I was like, who was he? Yeah, you know, and it's like you said it. When you look at his stat sheet, he played it. Damn man, a pretty awesome game himself. What do we just got to, we got to play as a team. He just has to play as a team, but we didn't, we didn't, we didn't play as a team. We didn't execute when it was time to execute. Yeah, Fran would know better than me, but it feels like it's really hard to win in the NFL when you don't get chunk plays, you know, like that, that, that is, that is huge. And I think according to your notes, at least in the fourth quarter, the biggest play was 19 yards tonight. Yeah, something like that. Like Jalen did play well, but they didn't have. I mean, maybe it's, it could just be all the AJ Brown effect, but they did not have chunky yardage plays tonight. Everything was laborious and like you really had to work for your, your points tonight. Yeah. And to me, you know, there were a handful of those plays where Jalen did scramble and made something out of nothing where he was looking down field. So I'm excited to go back to the film and see what were they trying to do? Were they trying to take a vertical shot play and it wasn't available to him. And so he decided, okay, hey, I'm going to try and create something with my legs here. I do think Jalen overall played a good game. I mean, he was, he finished 23 of 30, 23 of 30, 183 yards, it's touchdown. And then the final pick. I agree, Bo, I would not put that on the ground to 85 on the ground and look good doing it on the ground too. And they had some design runs. They had the scrambles. You certainly had some of the option plays in there too. So a little bit of everything that we had seen from Jalen hurts on the ground, making plays with his legs. And I thought again, against the blitz, he looked really, really good. We're still waiting on some of these numbers to come out. But a number of times in my notes, as we were watching the game, hot route against the blitz, the ball came out fast, knowing where to go. It's third Nate. They get a completion right at a sticks for a third and seven of Devontay Smith's Dallas Goddard. Same thing. So you saw time and time again of him understanding where his answers were in the offense. To me, I just, it's disappointing that, you know, that the game ended the way it did, because I think overall, you look at it and like Jalen played well, Saquan, like drop aside, like played well, offensive line overall, seemed like they played well. But also at the end of the day, like it's the final drive. They had 10 points on the board. And we're sitting there late in the fourth quarter. And you know, again, the broadcast was kind of like salt in the victory way. I don't feel good like a lot to watching when I'm watching right now. Yeah, he's telling the truth. Yeah, it was a very, very strange game that we'll see what the film says tomorrow, but it was a very strange game to watch live. And, you know, when Coach was talking, you guys heard him say, you know, you have to earn the right to rush. Yep. Meaning got to stop the damn run. Yeah, I'll stop the run. Well, this is going to be this is going to be painful to your ears. Okay. Through two games, the Eagles are allowing 6.4 yards per rush, 30 second. Dead last. Ooh, with Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter in the middle, 6.4 yards per carry. So now when you're saying that to yourself, we got to stop the run first. You know, and that's that's he's saying in the vice version. Yes. Yeah. I mean, they aren't so the Eagles are like, they're playing much worse on defense than the points would tie it because they're they're fifth and red zone defense and third and third down defense. If they weren't so good situationally on a on a per play basis, they are one of the worst defenses in the NFL so far, 27th in sack rate and dead last and in run. Yeah. I mean, that final drive, if you can't get to the quarterback, something's wrong, right? Like, I mean, Vinny, what do you what do you see from the defense there? I mean, they're just dropping in a prevent trying to keep everything in front of them. Like, it goes back to like, since the urgency, get the game over with, you know, um, who's gonna be that dog? You know, who wants to be that dog? It's just like at the end of the day, a sack on that drive shows that whole job. Yeah, it's over. The crowd is going crazy. They feel like they are. And we haven't we haven't even given proper credit to just how easy that that drive was to go 70 yards and six yards, 11 yards to Kyle Pitts, 21 yards to Darnell Mooney, 26 yards to Darnell Mooney, five yards to Drake London, then the incomplete pass on the avantamatics breakup and then the touchdown to Drake London for 70 yards. And when it was a week this week, Wednesday. Yeah. Yeah. This is a tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. They might do Thursday. Sometimes they do for a short week, but yeah, he will he will have a lot to answer for. Who do you feel good about on that defensive line right? I mean, you play with Bryce Huff. You were there at the beginning of his career, sort of helped him come along as a young player. What we have seen, it's only been two games, but through two games so far, it has been underwhelming. Do you, do you believe in Bryce Huff long term? It's a short week, rice. Okay. You know, you get, you got to, you know, they, they, like I said, they just got to, they got to, they got to show us something, you know, but we're sticking out to everybody. And this is, this is what I was talking about. We're sticking out to everybody is, they're not playing together. So you're not seeing it really, you stick out. And when the flashes you are seeing, you're seeing 55 glimpse, seeing Milton glimpse, you know, now it's time for everybody else to take big place and get your, the, the, the, the torches did for somebody to grab, grab it. And we talked to somebody to grab it. We talked with you about this last week about how you were so good at doing the dirty work, right? Set other guys up, right? That is sort of your, your MO. I don't know who's doing that for them right now. It's crazy, man. And I think it's fair to be disappointed in Jalen Carter's performance through two games. My expectations for him after the summer. He has to be the best player. He was going to be a dominant player. Right. And the best player on this defense. He was, I think, like semi-bench to the beginning of this game did not play on the first series and then didn't open the third series and then came in on third down. We'll have to ask Vic Fangio about that as well. So there's something going on there, but he has not been as, as ferocious and impactful as I was expecting. Yeah, though, disappointing certainly for Jalen Carter. I am excited to go back through the, because that's the thing is we talked about this a week ago with Green Bay was, you know what, the, the playing surface, the cleats, like all that stuff. Let's throw that game out. Let's see what looks like, what it looks like against Atlanta. And maybe there's difficult conversations on Tuesday. Well, those difficult conversations are going to be had tomorrow morning and really quickly going back to, to Bryce Huff and stats box scores with, with defensive linemen. Don't always tell the story. Obviously they can take that. Huge grain of salt. But for a team, you know, a team ran the ball 28 times tonight. Bryce Huff, I went to go just look at the box score. This does not appear in the box score. Zero, not an assisted tackle. Nothing zero. I didn't think he had a half tackle on the, uh, Josh, what, uh, play for, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. We got friends over here. There was no time. There was the only time he was around the ball. Before we get to zag real quick, Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith, this team counted on Nolan Smith to be the step up guy. You know, the youngster you believe in high first round draft pick. Like there's a job there to be one more or less. They need him and they need a Jalen Carter just straight up be the best player on this defense. And you haven't seen it through two games. Hopefully it's coming. No, it's coming. Um, he showed glimpse. He sort of wanted to do the glyph that he had a one on one pass. Yeah. Yeah. He's throwing that. Yeah. Yeah. 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There haven't been many games like this in my 13 years covering the team where it just goes completely silent, right? I mean, I think on the sideline, they thought they had the game on after CJ makes that big fourth down stop. And so the place just went completely silent, won the Falcons, went down the field. They were startled. The team seemed startled. But the locker room after the game, it was a quick, yeah, I mean, to give you some color bow, it was a quick, changing locker room, right? I mean, actually, you know, and you know, Vinnie knows what this is like. Joan Hertz was like dressed and ready to leave before Nick Siriani even went to the podium, right? And so, like, they had to hold Joan back. Joan's like, and when I say hold him back, like, he's he's ready to go get his press conference over with and get out of there. And this is a stark contrast from what you see often when players are lingering around or discussing what happened. This was a quick, exiting locker room. When I got back from Siriani, the only people who were there, really, Chad with CJ Gardner Johnson and Kobe Dean, Brandon Graham, but it was like there was no one lingering around. This was a team that wanted to get out of here as quickly as possible tonight. Zach, I don't know that Nick Siriani got enough questions about his decision at the end of this game, because to me, there are there are a lot, there is a lot of blame to go around, certainly the defense, not stopping the run and their performance on that final touchdown drive, sake, when Barkley has to catch the ball, but Nick Siriani's decision, specifically to kick the field goal, to go up six points and invite a touchdown to lose and a four down drive for the Falcons, instead of going forward on fourth down, when you could have pinned the Falcons deeper, and they would have been willing to settle for a field goal. That is day one coaching stuff in the NFL these days. And if his job is to be worried about making the right decisions on game day, so bold in this game. Oh, I have some data to back it up here. According to next gen stats, the Eagles chances to win the game drop from 94% to 85% according to their model with that field goal. So yes, so what did he say about it? I know we heard from him, but we missed the very beginning of the press conference. So we may have not gotten that. Yeah, he was there specifically about that decision. And he said he wanted to go up six. And that they they looked at it, the Falcons had no time outs. They felt going up six was was the way to go there. There were a number of decisions, like you said, that that we can second guess. I asked Nick specifically, the result of the plays aside, were their decisions tonight that you would have done over in hindsight. And he said you always look back at that he he went back to the fourth down the fourth down in the first half. When he yeah, when he when he didn't take points. So this is interesting. I agree with you, but when I agree in real time, I thought in the game here, don't give them the chance to get the ball back. Speaking to other reporters, they thought I was crazy for bringing like they're like, why would why would you not kick the field goal? They were surprised by this. I thought I don't want to say it was obvious. I thought the obvious decision to win the game. You you make that decision to win the game. There were there were a lot of people who I was speaking to and when I say this other reporters who are harping on the decision to pass. And I actually didn't object to the pass. That was a high percentage play, I thought. And there was a mechanism built into it where if Saquon's covered, Joan could just take the sack, right? And let the clock tick. I didn't have an an issue with that. And there were questions about that that call, but I thought the so Nick was specifically asked about that decision to kick the field goal. And he said he wanted to go up six with the Falcons having no timeouts that that that was their approach there now. You saw in real time what happened the timeouts that matter actually the Falcons probably scored too quickly for the foul of their liking. But but I I agree with you. But like I always you know, like I said to you on air off air, we can only control the questions. We can't control the answers. Right. So like Nick got the question. That was his rationale. We can debate the we can debate the rationale. But but that's the way he went. Yeah, we're talking about 70 yards to go with four downs at your disposal versus 55 60 yards to go with three or four downs at your disposal and willing to settle for a field goal versus also the upside of just ending the game with the first down. It's it's really no grander. Exactly. As for the defense, we've been talking about it, Zach, the Eagles are dead last in the league and in yards per rush allowed. The defensive line seems to be getting dominated through through two games. What do you make of that what you've seen in person and also what the reaction was in the locker room? Yeah, you heard Nick say that you had to earn the right to rush the quarterback. That's that's that's all Vinny. I thought they they they had the chance to rush the quarterback on that final drive. Right. I mean, Falcons weren't the Falcons were running the ball. The the problem here is that they're not good enough at rushing the quarterback right now. And I think that was apparent throughout the game, you know, Milton Williams had a nice sack, but otherwise your edge rutures are are not getting pressure on the quarterback. In the locker map after the game, you know, you you heard about the zone they were in, you know, that Atlanta was finding self spots in the zone. That's something that came up. But I think you you need your passrushers to make a difference there. And if you often hear, you know, he's he's getting rid of the ball quickly. And it may be so, but look, I'll I'll defer to Vinny on all pass rushing questions. That situation is designed for your guy to beat their guy, just like TJ Watt beat Kale McGarry last week, right? I mean, it's it's designed for your pass rusher, your 17 million hour year pass rusher to be their offensive tackle. And that didn't happen tonight. Zach, do you know the answer to this question? We've been trying to dig it up. Fran's been digging it up. According to Google AI, the Eagles did have the option here. And I feel ridiculous even saying that to defer the penalty from Drake. I just want to stay for the record. This is an anti AI. Yeah, it's very AI weirds me out, but it's the only answer we found so far. Are they able to apply that Drake London penalty to the next kickoff rather than taking it right there on the spot? And if so, is that is that a worse decision than kicking the field goal and there at fourth down? You know, that's a really good question. I'm ashamed to admit that I did not think about that in real time. I was just like collecting like what the hell just happened on this drive. And I did not think about applying it to the kickoff. I would much rather apply to the kickoff for sure. Because then that first play you're in Jake Elliott's range basically right away. I haven't seen anything official on it, but from what I had gathered via Twitter is that the NFL changed the rule this offseason that it automatically applies to the extra points that you cannot apply to get out. So you can't trust AI. Yeah, I mean, I'll say like I'll say not to puff like the Eagles up here, but you know, they have they have people in the booth who are who are pretty sharp with the rules like John. Yeah, he used to work in the league office and they're they're pretty up to date on all those rules. Now there's a lot that happens in in real time in terms of getting the message down to the coaching whatnot. But it would surprise me if there was a rule that they were unfamiliar with. Fran. I mean, Zach, I want to ask Franness when he watches the film tomorrow, but John Dodson, you know, you trade a third round pick for the guy. It's only been two games and it obviously takes some time to ingratiate him into the offense. But in a game in which you don't have AJ Brown, he felt completely absent once again. I think he had one catch, one catch, six yards for six yards. What's up with that? Yeah, I mean, I so first off on the telecast tonight, as I'm sure the viewers heard, Lisa Salter said that she spoke to AJ Brown before the game. AJ said that he is he's he's gonna miss a few weeks. I asked Nick Siriani if that's how he's operating Nick, Nick wouldn't answer the question there. But I bring that up because this is something Eagles are going to have to deal with. It surprised me the way this offense functioned. And in at one point late in the fourth or in the middle of the fourth quarter, Britain Covey had more targets than Dallas Goddard, John Dodson, and Saquon Barkley combined. Now, Saquon Barkley had a target on, you know, late in the game, of course. And then Dallas Goddard had a catch on that penultimate drive. But I like Britain Covey. I think Britain Covey would tell you that should not be the case. So yeah, I mean, John Dodson is he's in his what fourth week here or third week here in Philly. He's here to have a role in this situation, whether it's a matter of jail and not having that chemistry with him or how it goes in the progression, they needed more from Dodson tonight. Frank, they needed more from Dallas Goddard tonight. I thought that they weren't getting enough through the air from those weapons. And it was a little too much Britain Covey and Grand Lockering. The coaching staff actually did not address the team after the game. Jalen Hertz did all the talking after the game. Jalen's the one who, who's, who, who spoke to the team as it was described to me or as was described by one of the players, it's a player led team. And that, that was why they took the approach that they did. You know, C. J. Garner Johnson said that in, in, in, in colorful language that they have to, you know, pick their effing heads up here. And, you know, they got a lot of football left. That was kind of the approach that he was taking. But yeah, I mean, I would say that I found it interesting that Jalen said he or that the other player said, Jalen did all the talking after the game. That explains the voice a little bit. Yeah, exactly. So we did play most of Jalen's press conference. And his voice was a little bit worse as if he had. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's very interesting. Yeah. I, I thought, like I said, at the, at the top of our conversation here, it was telling to me how quickly Jalen was dressed and ready to get out of there. And that might be like inside baseball for, you know, yes. Yeah. Because Jalen is, as, as our viewers know from watching these post game shows last year, how often I was late coming up because I was waiting for Jalen. I think I made a joke that my third book will be titled waiting for Jalen. There was, there was no waiting for Jalen tonight. Actually, Jalen was the one doing the waiting. And so I think that, I think that spoke volumes there. And overall, you know, I, I need to go back and listen to the dairiest sleigh audio. Sleigh was talking when, when Siriani was going and I wanted to be in on Nick, but I saw Sleigh said on, on social media that, that this is on him. You know, I, I, I was in on Saequan Barkley tonight. Saequan Barkley, you know, said he didn't come through for the team. That was his sentiment and that, you know, it was a play that, that he needs to make. And I agree with that. Like Saequan, Saequan can't drop that pass. But speaking to a few of the defensive backs, the thing you kept hearing was, you know, the soft spots in the zone. The thing is this, it is, you know, it's 58 and a half minutes, right? And then you saw what happened in the last minute and a half. I asked Reece Blankenship, like, was it, was it, and this goes to the decision to kick the fuel load. Was it like hard to regroup there and go out on the field and not the furt of Vinny on the, on this one here? I got to imagine like your, you know, you're a defensive player. You think you won the game with that stop. You think the offense is, is, is just going to wear the, you know, is going to wear this clock out. You're not really ready to go. You know, you, like, like, you have to emotionally regroup to go back out on the field there to have a critical drive. So I, that's, I was really surprised when Ciriani kicked the field goal for, for that reason too. Like, like, why, why even expose your defense to that? The pass rush hadn't been getting home all day. And, and Kirk Cousins, you know, for as much as Bo has fun with the, with the Melvin line, that's the first time I've ever said Melvin before. For him, you know, he can, he can flat out make plays. Like, like, we've, we've seen him make plays. I mean, I don't, I don't mean to bring this up to Vinny, but I, I, I remember some of those, those Eagles, uh, Washington games in like 2015 when Kirk Cousins was, was, was money. You know, seven minutes, five career versus the Eagles, Zach. Yeah. So I bring that up as well. I'm like, like, my, you know, look, I, I know people will say this is why I'm not the head coach. And I get that. But I, I try to win the game there. And I say, you need to, you have three yards to win the game, like, like go win the game. The same logic that you have on the third down, the same confidence you have on third down, have that confidence on fourth down. Uh, that's, that's the approach I would take. And if you don't get it, you still have a chance to win the game. It's not, yeah, it's, yeah, that's a no-brainer. On the Kirk Cousins staff, uh, this week on the show, I called him the barometer. If you looked at the times the Eagles have beaten him, the three times they beat him by double digit points. They go to the Super Bowl that season. The six times now, seven times that they have lost. They've never won more than nine games in the season. Kirk Cousins, sort of the bell weather. Now, Zach, before we let you go, we, we know you're going to go get to writing for all PHLY.com, but you did mention there, you know, the third book might be, uh, waiting for Jalen. We are now, the clock has struck midnight on Tuesday. We are a week away, Zach, from the release of your second book. So with the big post game show audience, I want to give you a chance to, to plug that bad boy. I appreciate that, though. Uh, coming out on Tuesday the 24th is the franchise. It fell off the Eagles, a curated history of the birds. It looks at the last 25 years. You'll relive a lot of moments that weren't like tonight, uh, you will really, you'll relive some of the like tonight, though. Yeah. You'll relive some of the, uh, uh, more exciting moments and, you know, it's kind of the, the, you'll learn about some of the decisions. The, the, uh, the iconic players, you know, I, I spoke to Fletcher Cox before the game tonight. Fletcher is, uh, is featured in this book, Nick Foles. I spoke to before the game. Nick Foles is featured in this book. I saw Jason Kelsey as I was walking back up here. Jason Kelsey's featured in this book. Um, all, you know, all the quarterbacks from the, from the past 25 years, and it's a, it's a collection of some new reporting, a lot of the reporting from my 13 years on the beat and, uh, research that I've done, uh, or, or, or, or that I did last summer in, uh, writing this book. Uh, so, uh, looking forward to that. I appreciate that. Go ahead. Yeah. No, I, I was going to circle back the one, the last point I want to make about the game, but I'll answer your question real quick. I wanted to know what, what Fletcher's advice was for Vinny that you, that you shared on social media. Yeah, Vinny, I got, I'm, I'm going to read this verbatim here. Okay. Cause I, I said Fletcher as, you know, Fletcher was the original, now he wasn't on the post game show, but he was, uh, he was our co-host last year. And he, he said, I'm pulling this up here. He said, speak from your heart, speak the truth. You're a retired player now. You're on the outside looking in, but give the people what they want. And that's the truth. Uh, so that's, that's from my brother. So it does tell you. Yeah. Um, yeah. So what was the thing you wanted to close out? Yeah. It just like how, how devastating this, this losses for the team in this sense is now they're, they're getting home tonight, you know, at, at what 12, 31 o'clock. Um, tomorrow's a recovery day. They're, they're back Wednesday. My guess is to have a walk through Wednesday. It won't be a full practice. So it's a short week. You're, you're not at home. You're on the road in New Orleans, a team that is hot, that plays, you know, that, that has this home field advantage. The Eagles could have been two and O sitting, you know, sitting in real good position. Now you're one in one with two road games ahead of you. Uh, New Orleans, then Miami. Oh, I'm sorry, New Orleans, then Tampa Bay. Um, that's sad to the NFL, Zach. Yeah. Uh, like you look back. I think that the Eagles could look back at this game at the end of the season. And, and I don't want to say it's an, it's, it's hyperbole to say this is an inflection point, but this is like, I, I don't think I'm overstating just how devastating this loss was considering, uh, where it fell in the schedule. I think that's well said, Zach. We look forward to what you're going to write about it on all PHL Y dot com. And we will talk to you on the PHL Y Eagles show tomorrow at two o'clock. Appreciate it. And the connection was strong. All right. Connection was strong. You did a good job. Oh, I'm sorry. Zach. He's, he's, uh, I give all the credit to Julia. All right, guys. Thank you. Thank you, Zach. Uh, all right. You know what? Let's have, let's have like a five minute respite of, uh, good, positive thoughts. And then we can get back to complaining at the end. Uh, Vignette, I do want to ask you, Zach mentioned that, you know, Nick Foles have his retirement press conference site. I wonder what your favorite Nick Foles story is. Oh, man. I got a, I got one, uh, I'm not sure what, uh, yeah, this was maybe 13 or 14 early in his career. Yeah. Yeah. Um, we was doing like, uh, OTA. I don't know. It was a, uh, OTA or, uh, to the, uh, mini camp. Yeah. The mini camp. And, uh, everybody was like, you're gonna go, go shoot around. I said, well, shoot, I can't fit on basketball. I'm just going to watch, you know what I mean? Like, bro, this man came out there. I swear he was dunking. He was like crazy. What? Yeah. He was like, yo, bro, this is what I do, bro. I was like, it was crazy. It was crazy. I was like, dang, it was a very good high school basketball player recruited to play college basketball. Yeah. It was a piece, bro. Yeah. It was a piece. Nick Foles is a monster on that basketball court. But I guess, you know, you just getting out of practice or, or got finished running or whatever. And it was like, yeah, it was just so spent a moment that you kind of forget and they just do really play basketball. He was cooking cat. And then you had me there like, oh, he's cooking, yo. You know, it was crazy. And then how about the Super Bowl itself? You know, what, what was your vantage point of the Philly special? But that was crazy. And then he called it himself. And if you watch Super Bowl, you're going to see some of the defensive players, they got up. We got up to go watch it. Like, you know, this is going to work. You know, it's coming. Yeah. Oh, it was crazy, bro. And when it worked, it was like, ah, they did it, you know, because they've been practicing that. So, yeah, that was cool to see. All right. It's a nice little positive. I'm sure who was good for you tonight, Fran, who would you like to give a shout out to? I mean, I thought Jayla Hurts was good tonight. I thought St. Juan Barkley was good tonight. I thought Thomas Booker was good. Thomas Booker, Thomas Booker, the defensive line to get excited about Thomas Booker, official bumper, Thomas Booker. Yeah, outside of that. That's probably those parties played by C.J. Garner Johnson, we should say that would have been the game, winning four downstop. That was a really nice play. Yep. We may have taken his helmet off and probably deserved a close, but that would have been close play anyway. Yeah, would have been all right. That was very good. He did miss a couple of the tackles, but that was a huge play. Wanna touch down? Yeah. I mean, that's close to about it. Yeah. I mean, I kind of feel awful for St. Juan, because at the end of the day, if he catches that ball, which he does, sure, probably nearly at a hundred percent rate that open, it's game over. And none of these conversations had. He was, we're talking about again, a flawed team, sure, found a way to win, and they're in good position at two and a while. You know, what a play call it was there by Sirioni on third three with a game on the line. I feel bad for him because he was the best player on the field tonight. It felt like I got to say from watching that game in person, it felt so different watching him. Like I didn't appreciate it as much as I did on TV. He has more juice. He looks more electric than any running back, I can remember, at least since LaChomico. And it wasn't like that when he was on the Giants and I watched him play in person. He looks, it has been sort of the the theory behind if you get him in this offense, how good he could look. He got those false bodyguards in front of him. Yeah. And I thought Mick Mackay Becht and, you know, in the run game tonight was just he was moving people him and Lane. I mean, both sides of the ball, like, and Cam Durgan's was getting out and showing some athleticism tonight. I mean, just from the ball, like, I'm like you, I'm not going to be down at the Nova care tomorrow, like roll the blunt, but like damn. So the one answer I want to say real quick about Nick Sirioni that kind of drove me a little nuts there. Yes. Was it Jimmy Johnson? This or some old school concussion uncle used to say like, I don't care if they have the damn playbook. Sometimes you just got to run the ball down there. Yeah. Yeah. And his old spiel about, well, sometimes on third and third and third, you got to run it. Sometimes you got to throw it. Sometimes you got to do this. No, sometimes you just got to jam it down their throat and end the game. And like, I didn't hate the decision for the pass play. But like, that answer really kind of chat my ass. Like, no, sometimes you just run it right out. I don't even like him saying that he regretted he maybe regretted the early fourth down go because they missed it. Like, this is the whole thing we've been talking about. You got to you got to commit to it. Because that's when it works is when it plays out over the long haul. And to be so results based in his, like looking back thinking is, I would imagine Jeffrey Lurie is listening to those answers and looking at the way he coached this game. And he is really, really upset knowing the things that he cares about. You think ballot check, uh, Texas, Jeffrey, you know, he was there and I was there across the street, he can't take the rest. Alex got married and coach Flynn. Uh, next gen just shared a few, uh, a few nuggets. Okay. I'm not gonna like any of this. I'll start with, I'll start with positive. All right. We're positive for like four minutes before we get a take one mark and we'll keep the positive. And one other bit of leavening for God. All right. So take one Barkley dropped what would have been a game clinching pass from Jalen hurts on third down. But Barkley forced 10 missed tackles on 26 touches in his second game with the Eagles finishing with over a hundred scrimmage yards. For the second time as many games, his nine missed tackles four so the most of any ball carrier in week two, Barkley took advantage when the Falcons showed a light box at the snap. That's six or fewer defenders in the box. 77 yards on 13 carries. Now this is interesting considering the let that third down play call, uh, only 18 yards on nine carries when there was a loaded box. So they didn't do as well when, when, uh, Atlanta was able to stuff the box there from a defensive standpoint. Also Jalen hurts, uh, despite holding onto the ball for an average of 3.42 seconds. I think a lot of that's thrown off by a lot of the scrambles, but 3.42 seconds. Hurts was pressured on just six of his 35 dropbacks. The second lowest pressure rate he was facing a game in his entire career. Well, hurts did not throw a single deep pass over 20 area yards until the final interception of the game, but did finish seven for eight for 102 yards and a touchdown targeting the intermediate area of the field. So 10 to 19. So there's a lot of those intermediate chunk plays. I make sure to go back and see on the film, uh, did Atlanta do something to kind of set a ceiling on the offense on the pass game to try and take away a lot of those deep balls. Uh, he also gained 85 rushing yards and 13 carries, nine successful runs and four runs of 10 plus yards. So, uh, certainly one of his best days on the ground. I don't know if you guys want me to go through the defensive stuff because there's some bad defensive plays in there too. But let's, let's finish the lighter part and then we'll get to the defense and go ahead and negative. This is the last bit of levity. Uh, I think you're going to like this one. Jamie, you mentioned my guy back and this is courtesy of, uh, our friend, Tim Harris friend, our, our friend, Tim O'Slice. He goes, look at this graphic that ESPN had. Is that a backbone of, of my high vector in their animation? He's got no but where his butt is, but then he's got a butt on his back. That's a back book. What the? What is that? Come on, ESPN. What is that? Well, he's got to be matter about that. Then he is the result of this game. Look at that picture. The offense a lot was great today. What is that? What kind of body is that? That's what AI gives you. That's right. All right. Uh, okay. Give us the, give us those disheartening defenses. Somehow from that, uh, from, so this, uh, all right. Let's go to the, the final drive. Kirk Cousins led the Falcons on a six play, 70 yard game winning touchdown drive in the final minute of the game to beat the Eagles. 22 to 21 on the road. Cousins was five of six for 70 yards and touched down on that final drive, completing plus 26.2% of his passes over expected compared to minus 4.3 entering the drive. So basically really, I think a lot of that is kind of those two big ones to, to Darnell Mooney down the field. Uh, those are, are not high probability completions there on the night. Cousins did not complete a single pass from outside the tackle box. Oh, for one, but and that's the thing about the pass rush. Like he was confined in that tight space. You couldn't still couldn't get to him, but he moved around more in the pocket than in week one averaging five, five yards per drop back against the Eagles, uh, compared to just 3.1 per drop back against the Steelers. Uh, lastly, so some B, Bijon Robinson numbers. I was shocked that he only had 14 carries on the, on the, on the night, by the way, Bijon, it felt like a lot more than that. Unbelievable. Bijon Robinson had a strong day on the ground. Could say that again, with 14 carries for 97 yards, his 6.9 yards per carry is the second highest mark of his career. Robinson also added four catches for 25 yards, forcing six missed tackles on 18 total touches on the night after taking almost every carry from the pistol formation in week one. Uh, and then we're just getting into usage stuff there from the formation stuff with Atlanta. So, uh, yeah, Bijon Robinson, uh, looked really good. Kirk Cousins operated really highly, uh, on the, on that final drive and did, did not move from the pocket the entire night and was still barely touched. Where is, where is, where does a Kirk Cousins ranking like your least favorite quarterback to play against? He's up there. He's up there. Um, I did go through your sacks today to see if there was one we could, we could pull no, no Kirk Cousins sacks for you. Unfortunately. Yeah, this is too sneaky. This is crazy. Do you know which quarterback you sacked the most? Do you? Something tells you about it. All right, good. I have it here somewhere. You said Kirk Cousins was what? You said seven and six. Seven and five versus seven and five now against eight. Is it all we had, uh, it's, it's, yeah. Are you three? Yeah. The way I asked was, you know, he had a little rotation. Yep. In there. Yep. Yeah. You like to play the six sacks against the six seconds. Probability. You probably played them the most of anyone. So that's why I went with them. Good stuff. You want probability, Bo? The Falcons had just a 0.7% chance of winning the game with a minute, 56 left in the fourth quarter. So that's the, what the, the second down or the third down? I guess the third down right before the third down. Yeah. Yeah. Less than one percent chance to win the game and that happened. So if any, you, sometimes your guys say that after a loss like this, it's kind of nice to have a short week. Do you think that's fair? Like you got to get back to business quicker? Yeah, no, I didn't get back to business man. And like I said, they'll get it together. They, they, I'm pretty sure the fans going to let them hear it. The coaches going to let them hear it. So how much like, oh yeah. All right. Now you're retired, right? You know, the players in the locker room, no, we don't listen to any of the outside noise now. We don't listen to the sports radio. We don't read the print. How much, how much is it getting listened to, or is it honestly like a blackout? Let me tell you something. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah. Right there. That building tomorrow going to be quiet. Absolutely. I'm telling you, never, you never want to lose that, especially here, like the, the expectation is so high, you know, and again, to the party, the coaches might sleep in the office tonight breaking down his film. All right. But you guys like, I don't know how long your commute to the Nova care was. You're not tempted a little bit to throw on a podcast or radio or read some print about what people are saying. Okay. You know, did you see that? How do you lost a night in tonight's fashion? Yeah. Would you want to turn a radio on? Probably if they were talking about me. I'll push it day off. Yeah. Yeah. We don't know. Can you believe that something's like, how do you know? I mean, yeah, right? You dare be turned so business. I'm always listening, because you guys are aware of what's being said, obviously, right? Um, is a coach translating? Like, no, you, is PR talking to you about PR? Yeah. You just asked me like, well, what's the word? Yeah. If, if that, you know, now they just jump right on your Instagram when you're 12. That's true. Like that, you know, me, some of them. Yeah. So what are you listening to? Um, you know, what's your mind, get your mind right, like next morning. Next morning. Um, so if we, if we was to lose like this, I'd be like, damn, what the, we didn't do, bro. You know, like, was there a game left out there? Like, I'm speaking for my defensive line. Yeah. Standpoint. Was it a game left out there? Um, the first thing I used to do is just call, uh, call Fletch. Yeah. And he was like, what man, man, who want me, man? Yo, yo, what you doing? He'll be grumpy for like the first 60 seconds of the phone call, but then we're starting and then diving into him. So what's a, what's a night like after a game like this? That's good. I like that. Like, how much are you, are you, do you instantly want to watch it? Are you just mentally replaying it? Are you checking out and going to bed? Can you go to bed? No, you can't go to bed, but you should be up. That's why I said the first thing in the morning, you know, um, I used to make that phone call then. So what time do you think you're getting to bed after a primetime game and a loss like that? I don't know. Two, three in the morning. I'm pissed. All right. This game gave me a headache. I don't know if I'm going to be able to sleep, so I couldn't imagine playing it. You know, only because it like the birds, man, they deserve to win this game. Yeah, they, they fought to win this game. You know, it's just like damn, you know, I got it like, if I'm a player, I know that this season is maybe like too much is being made of what is Nick Sirianni's role, but the Eagles lost this game because of Nick Sirianni tonight. Yeah, but the player never ever. I know the players would never say. Yeah, right. They wouldn't put that on them on him. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody has to do their own individual better job. But to me, the objective truth of this game is that is why they lost this game is that is he bungled those decisions at the end of the game. We can talk about it all week. Go ahead. Right. And then once again, you start saying how many Russian yards do you have again? He had 97. Yeah, 50 something. You know what I'm saying? Like the worst run defense in football right now. You know what I'm saying now, if they would have like 30 yards Russian, 40, 50 yards Russian, I even give it a total of maybe 80 yards total, 80 yards Russian. It's a different conversation. Sure. You know, but when you start looking at stuff like that, it's like that. You know, we didn't give, we really didn't give the offensive chance to even do as good as they did. So you know, Vic a little bit, walk us through real quick. I don't want to keep us here all night, but like walk us through tomorrow morning. Like what is that like when you enter the building? How intensive is the film breakdown? I never got the I never got the place of it. But you know, because he was hanging around as a consultant, a little bit all that like what is the general vibe in the defensive film rooms or team meeting rooms tomorrow? I'm pretty sure he's gonna. He's gonna. He's gonna. He's gonna. He's gonna choose some two couple couple people out, you know, and is that embarrassed in front of the whole team? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not embarrassing. It's like, you know, you know, you want to be held accountable, you know, because at the end of the day, as much as we love the sport, this is our job. This is our livelihood as well. You know what I'm saying? So got a freaking play like it, you know, you got to play with a sense of urgency. You know, people always like, man, you play hard as hell. Like it might be my last play. Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, this, this is it. I mean, and us, you know, just has ego fans and us now doing that, maybe all we just want to do is just see, see urgency and see people play. And so is run defense? I mean, are there are there schematic things that they can do? Or is it in your mind? Does it sort of come down to like those guys up front have to man up? Got to man up, man. Got it. You know, got to man up. That's it. Now, I would love when you when you break down the film tomorrow, I was just thinking about this. I know, I know I got back on this, but thinking about Jen Carter, I wonder how many times he was double tonight. Yeah, he was probably double tonight because I did see other people who had one on one rushers and they're just getting win. Sure. And when he finally got the one on one, it got down right on the screen right away. And we was able to call it out. So I would love to see how many times he got doubled because I feel like he was getting ready to make a huge impact in that game. And he was like, Oh, no, big fella. And you did have an interesting idea, pop into your head during this show, during the press conference, there is there were trade to be made for the Eagles with the guy that they just traded the Jets. That they decided to trade for and bring and pay his honor, I mean, it's some cost for them. And the Jets got to be listening, right? Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know. Now the Jets did just lose Jermaine Johnson. So they now have an even more incentive to potentially demand his money, a erratic, but we'll see how that goes. Bryce, Bryce, again, get go. You feel so? Yeah. Yeah. Is this friend friend? He better get going. Vinny, he's so good. He better get going. He better get going. Listen, but you know, you got to understand, understand the job you signed up for, right? And then you came to a place where they, they, they eat, sleep, you know, bleed defensive lineman. So yeah, they did a day. That's the number one thing that's going to get magnified, defensive lineman play and quarterback play. Final thoughts from you, Jamie? I mean, that's about as deflating of a loss. I genuinely, like, my heart kind of breaks for sake one a little bit, because, I mean, keep your head up, brother. Yeah, like that, that's going to be replaying in his head all week. He's going to be thinking about that every half hour, every minute of the day, like to, to let your team down when you had the game like that, that's got to be just like a devastating blow defensively. Just what a collapse at the end there. It's brutal. It's brutal. And now you got to go to New Orleans. It's a tough place to play. And Derek Carr looks like a new man all of a sudden and short week, maybe is good. But man, that's soft, tough turf, right? Yeah, New Orleans. Yeah. Yeah, hostile environment. Yeah, where's that up there for you? Like tough places to play. It's definitely, I will say it's definitely tough. Tough up. Yeah, I would never say definitely tough up. It gets loud in there. Yeah, it does get loud. Yeah. It's definitely tough. There's some tough places to play out there. Yeah. Let's, let's run through our super chats before before we close out. We got a few of them. So thanks everybody for bringing those in. Idiot Sandwich says, Vinny, can you play softest deal we've had in a while? We've already been over that. Vinny's with us now. Daniel says, I'm so mad going to bed, we'll listen in the AM. Peknes migrate, not based on Lori, but who is the most responsible for this five wind team? Nick hurts, Howie. I don't know how the Peknes migrate works there, but for me, this game specifically, yeah, is this is a nest for for Nick. And then maybe a, maybe a Pek for Howie and a migrate for hurts, because I think I don't think that Jillin was at fault for this one. Chris says, Falcons ran stretch runs over and over again at Hough. Could be something to watch moving forward. You noticed that as well, right, Fran? Yeah, that's it. They ran a ton of zone and not only, you know, would you blame Hough on that, but Vinny and I talked about it at halftime, the linebackers on the ground, the number of times I saw 53, his jersey facing the sky, not ideal. So that's something we'll certainly look at on the film. Now Jason says, we don't need to include Nick's press conferences going forward. I think that is up for four debate, but we're trying to figure that out. I think we have gotten some feedback. Otherwise people do enjoy getting to see that, especially since one stop shopping, right? One stop shopping. Yeah. Mike just, you know, giving us that three 99 cents. Love that, like big, big fan of your work. Santiago says Booker better than JD and no one better than Hough and Schwartz better than fan Joe. I mean, I'll tell you what, I definitely agree with that last one. And I know we've talked about how good Jim Schwartz was. We can get to that later in the season. And then Jalen says two yards per run in a loaded box all day on third and four. So there you go. Fran, I guess let's close with for you. One of the things that you are most looking forward to finding out once you watch the film tomorrow past game, what was available or not available downfield for Jalen? What did he look like overall? Just because we don't always get those angles watching the broadcast and then defensively. I don't know that there's going to be anything to see on the final drive, but I'm curious. Yeah. What exactly happened on the final drive from a coverage standpoint? And then the run defense just looking at looking at that, have an idea of what we're going to see, but just being able to play it back over and over and watch that down will be interesting. To your point, Jamie earlier about, you know, Saquon replaying this in his head. But all these guys, I mean, Darius Slays in the locker room saying this is on me, Queen y'all Mitchell's in the locker room saying, yeah, but Slay gave up the last play, but I gave up the two before that. So I put him in a bad spot. All these guys are going to be saying that, you know, for the rest of this week. So this should be a team, you know, playing with a chip on their shoulder by the time we get to Sunday, but you know, you got to carry that through. And yet to me, the story of this game is going to be the decisions by Nick Sirianni at the end of this game. 22 to 21 is how the Eagles go down and fall to one in one Sirianni's decision to pass the ball on third down. And even worse, take the field goal. Going up six, this is a this is like a thing that every NFL head coach should know at this point. That is the wrong decision and it's why the Eagles have lost this game in. And I hope that it is not the thing that we look back on at the end of the season as the beginning of potentially the end for for Nick Sirianni said coach, because this is supposed to be his main job. So before we check time for everybody before we get out of here, the bet three, six, five line for next week is out. Would you like to take a guess? I'm going to guess the Superdome. I think it's Saints by half a point. No, I think it'd be more. I think it's, I'll say one and a half. You're both humming right around it. Saints are minus one next week in New Orleans. There you go. Fresh off the press, it wasn't out a little bit ago. So I just circle back and there you have it. And we will have that ready for you for full coverage next Sunday here on PHLY. And by the way, if you feel like, you know, given the sake one, Barkley, a bit of a pick me up after the drop, we have our new sake one, Barkley merchandise, which you can buy on the PHLY locker, PHLY locker.com road to victory. Nice little image of his travels from Penn State to now in Philadelphia. So that'll do it for this episode of the PHLY Eagles post game show presented by bet three, six, five. We will be back tomorrow, two o'clock myself, Fran and Zach Berman to talk about this game and some of the takeaways. And we've got you covered the whole week, two o'clock on PHLY and all PHLY.com for Zach Berman's writing and Fran's going to have all of his all 22 coverage as well. So that'll do it for this episode. Thanks to Vinny Curry, Jamie Lynch, Fran Duffy, Julia from making it all happen behind the scenes and everybody else for tuning in live. We will talk to you later. And as always, we love you. [BLANK_AUDIO]
