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He's like, I can't go to work today, I can't make it out, take this shirt and they knew me at the bar, because this was our regular bar, Nick, but he's like, take this shirt and see what happens and the guy gave me a shot and I was a bouncer for two years, hilarious. Two years, okay. Yeah, I need a money in college, bad, like I had no money back then, so I needed to do whatever I can, scrape and scrap for cash, and I found it fun to be a bouncer for a lot of reasons, but anyway, let's get to the Giants football and I want to start with Shane Bowen and I want to start with his Giants game plan. We chastised the Giants game plan last week, we took some heat for it, but I don't think anything you could say this week, I think anything you would say, anyone who would evaluate this week on tape would say the total opposite and we'll get to the tape, but it's not just the tape. You could listen to Deshawn Watson in his post game interview and shout out again to Giants Finn and Charlotte, he posted this and that's where I saw it, but Deshawn Watson talked about how much he was fooled by Shane Bowen, who again, 25% blitz rate the first two weeks, 57% blitz rate and Deshawn Watson got detailed with it, Nick, I don't know if you had a chance to listen to it, but he talked about how there were down in distances, looks that he got from the Giants and they were not prepared for at all and this is how you win football games. You confuse offenses and you give them things that they didn't prepare for. They spend a whole week Deshawn Watson and his coaching staff preparing for something that he they're going to see on that they've seen on tape that they expect to see in downs and distances and your coordinator, you give him something completely different. Nick, I broke down. We can let this run now because I'm sure you have some plays you want to break down. So maybe we can let this one now, but I put together most of the Giants pressures, not all 36 of them. That's a crazy number. You had the stat on it. It was the most pressure since when for the Giants. Yeah, Dan. The Giants had 36 pressures, as you said, that is the most pressures the New York Giants had ever had since 12 football focus started calculating pressures, which is nuts. Dude, they had 35 twice. I went through and I looked through every single freaking game. 36 pressures is insane. That's an insane amount of pressures and the Giants were able to get after it and we'll go over exactly why here in a little bit. But if you're watching on YouTube, you can see most of those pressures are up on the screen right now. Yeah. I put most of them up here. So many fun plays blitzes from places they weren't expecting a lot of games up front from the Giants. That sack from Elijah Chapman, who got his first career sack, which is so fun. Look at how happy Dexter Lawrence is after that sack for Elijah Chapman. If you have a chance to reverse that, if not, no worries. Those of you who watched it saw it, but that also makes me happy to see Dexter Lawrence, one of the leaders of this team, just so happy to see this undrafted free agent get this first career sack. You watch him after this play, runs up to him in hugs and man, it's just so cool for me to see the excitement come back to this team in this defense. We'll go over a lot of them, Nick. Obviously you have the breakdowns, but I want to ask you first about what your thoughts are on Shane Bowe and kind of going against what he had put on tape previously here and having a nice game plan for this quarterback and this offensive line. Loved it, man. What was it? 57% blitz rate, 55% pressure rate. The Giants got seven sacks when they blitzed eight total sacks and Watson was eight of 18 for 92 yards against the blitz. And the blitz wasn't just fire zone. It wasn't zone blitz. That was a lot of man coverage from Shane Bowe and which typically is not associated with shame on a lot of cover one and a lot of cover one hole. The Giants weren't just running this vanilla cover one. Hey, I'm the safety in the middle of the field closed look before the snap and then I'm just going to stay there. No, the Giants were putting Dane Beltman, the line of scrimmage and then dropping him to a center field spot. It almost seemed like Wink Martindale was the defensive coordinator at certain parts of this game because the Giants think they ran middle of the field closed, meaning cover one or cover three, 71% of the plays and that was middle of the field closed at the snap. Sometimes they transition from middle of the field closed to middle of the field open. I felt like in the second half, the Giants did a good job adjusting to that heavy man cover one defense that they employed in the first half. They adjusted two more of a quarter's middle of the field open type of approach in the second half. So I felt like Shane Bowe was adaptive. He kept Kevin Stafansky on his toes. The blitzes were they were that was that was it. It was like we smell blood in the water. We were just going to get out there to Sean Watson. We were going to blitz him until he freaking is buried into the ground. We are going to run twists and games up front. We are going to bring simulated pressures. We're going to bring fire zone. It was Shane Bowen getting into his bag and it was an absolute clinic from Shane Bowen. And I'm so proud and so happy that he was able to do that against this Brown's offense that frankly, the Sean Watson is not a good quarterback. Now praise goes to the Giants defense, but Sean Watson, it looks horrible out there and their offensive line was also pretty banged up. So the Giants did what any team should do in that situation, absolutely dominate this matchup and they did. It almost felt like Shane Bowen took to heart last week against Washington and some of the criticism that was circulating online. I know he didn't. I'm sure he doesn't read any of that. But it almost felt like that dude because he changed his whole game plan specific to this quarterback and offensive line situation and it freaking worked. That's exactly what he did and he proved like you said, he can pull a little wing barn tail out at times and just be a different guy than what he put on tape. And I don't, I expected that. Like he's not some bozo dude, he's just like sitting like, I'm going to run my shame scheme every game. Like, look, he had a plan against Washington. It didn't work, but that was his plan to play them the way he played them. Now he had a new plan against Watson in this offensive line. And you said it best, Nick, I felt like he got this quarterback rattled early and the quarterback was rattled throughout. Look at that throw. I mean, it's just disgustingly bad. There were some of the worst throws I've seen on tape from a quarterback in the last three years from Deshawn Watson in this game, including some that were pressured, but some that were from a clean pocket and basic little crossing routes that he just could not get on target is off target rate for me. I don't know what the numbers say was just unbelievably bad. And I saw a stat today earlier that Deshawn Watson's EPA through the first three games. Now again, EPA is a stat that I'm starting to learn is a little bit skewed because I think it's more team based stat than a quarterback based stat. And I've learned that over the years now, not to say that's a bad thing because it means your team and your offense are doing well. But it's the lowest it's been in the last like 10 years, dude. And that's guys like Brandon Wheaton and some of the crappy quarterbacks that have come through Cleveland, dude. Watson's been worse to the first three games than any of them. I think he shot at this point, Nick, I don't find anything special about his game. I don't think he has special arm talent. I don't think he's making plays out of structure in a special way. And I don't think he's reading the defense is any kind of special way either. So I'm not sure what Deshawn offers at this point as a quarterback. I know he used to be good. I would almost love to go back on the tape and see like what the hell happened in Houston. Like, because I'm more like I'm more confused at how he was ever good at this point than why he's bad right now. And it's bad. It's bad. And again, credit does go to shame, Bowen, though, man, so much cover one. So many five man pressure, six man pressures again, the simulated in the fire zones and the slanting and the twists. You saw the pirates done swear to individual slant to the inside and then somebody from the opposite side loops around them, both one of the sacks, I think it was the Elijah Chapman sack was that only Chapman was one of the slanting players who wasn't a looper. Okay. Was a looper. So the way Shane Bowen used the linebackers along with the defensive lineman in his pressure package is what really encouraged me. And that's what I hope to see more of it. The Giants can stay in these situations where you're forcing third and four plus third and six plus. You saw more Dean Beltan in this game and I think he played 17 snaps. Dean Beltan played 17 snaps total in the previous two games, and that's because the Giants were up and they were able to employ their nickel. Dime type of packages where Dean Beltan is going to come out onto the field and play a little bit more. And I feel like Beltan is a player that it seems like Shane Bowen trusts to handle difficult average assignments where he can use his range where he is close to the line of scrimmage and he is bailing to a deeper responsibility like Wink Martindale as I said previously. And I didn't expect to see that from Shane Bowen. So it seems like they trust Beltan to execute those assignments and maybe those are the types of coverages that DeShawn Watson was referencing. And I know he mentioned in that long breakdown that he gave the media cover one hole. Cover one hole is man coverage across the board, you're going to have a single high safety and you're going to have a whole player and that rat in the hole. And the Giants that rat in the hole sometimes was a safety that rat in the hole was sometimes a linebacker. The Giants changed up their way to employ different coverages and that I think just absolutely messed with the Sean Watson is one of the reasons why he was holding on to the football all so long was one of the reasons why the Giants were able to get 36 pressure the most ever for the New York Giants in a single game. Yeah, man. It's awesome. I mean, this was fantastic. This is what we dreamed of when we talked about in the off season of like, can you dominate so much in the trenches that you can take over a game? Which essentially what this Giants offensive line did because they didn't, they limited everything in the run game. That was the first part of this whole plan, like, let's stop the run game, let's make sure they're one dimensional. And once they got them one dimensional, it wasn't like, let's lean back, let's drop back and try to let, let's see what happens. It was, we're dictating to them, we're moving forward and we'll deal with the consequences of us leaving some one on ones on the outside because there are no consequences unless the quarterback is good enough to get the ball out on time and understand where to go with the football. And I got to be honest with you, dude, that's what I thought would happen against Jaden. It's not going to work against every quarterback. Dak Prescott, I don't think you can run this kind of game plan against. We'll see if I'm wrong. Brock Purdy was a classic example last year. Wink tried the blitz him at a crazy rate and pretty ate it up. Some quarterbacks are going to eat this style up, but like when you get to guys like Deshawn and this type of offensive line, and that should have been the case I thought with Jaden Washington, but maybe there'll be other matchups coming up for the Giants where they'll have similar situations. Nick, this is the game plan, dude, like, let it rip, blitz a lot and deal with the consequences. That's what I want, at least. So you would have loved to work now. Yeah, but just move, I just like the idea, dude, of a defense moving forward always and going at them because I think it's so hard to connect on these deep passes. It requires so much like I'm willing to take the opportunity chances rather than just sit back and off and let them pick up short gains. A better quarterback would have been able to make them picks. They weren't able to run the football and it's funny because the Giants offensive game plan, as we discussed on the previous podcast, was attack the Browns' aggressive nature. And their defensive game plan was use an aggressive nature to attack Deshawn Watson. And Stefanski didn't really adjust accordingly, or at least successfully, and this could be a product of the injuries on the offensive line in Deshawn Watson until, what, midway through the third quarter where it was a second and 10 run, or I think it was a tight end screen. It was something to that effect where the Browns picked up a nice chunk gain and then they ran a half-back draw to Jerome Ford and the Giants ran themselves out of position. And that's one thing I want to say about the Giants defense overall and the thing I'm most impressed by is how they kept the structure and the integrity of the defense intact, basically throughout the game. They were very disciplined. And they were, I think, two sacks and multiple pressures and one throw away the Dexter Lawrence play near the sideline where the Giants sent pressure. They sent five and they were rushing. And you could see Dexter Lawrence or Elijah Chapman, a player on the defense who rushed initially. And I think they understood that maybe they weren't going to get the pressure or they weren't going to win their matchup. They weren't in the optimal position to defeat their offensive lineman. So they just sat back and kept their eyes on DeShawn Watson. It was like an adjustment, almost like, yeah, I'm rushing, but I'm also a quarterback spy. So if you try stepping up because we know the Giants send those, those Ed Drushers wide, right? Yeah, Brian Burns and K-Von Tibino. And as he's Ojolari who looked fantastic in this game, you have those guys flying around the edge that's going to force Watson and that's going to force the quarterback to step up into the pocket. The Giants adjusted and they had Dexter Lawrence and these interior guys to just wait basically for DeShawn Watson to step in the pocket, try to make something happen. And then those guys close with and created a sack, a throw away or just rush the guy out of the pocket. So that was a nice little subtle adjustment. I call them tempered rushes from the New York Giants, basically the quarterback spies for the defense of Lyman who I don't know if it's like, hey, I'm going to spy the quarterback if it was just a contained call or if it was just a good individual effort by that player. Yeah, great breakdown. It's exciting, man. They were an exciting defense this week and they really dictated to the quarterback and you're right. It probably won't work against every single quarterback they face, especially the good teams. But in these matchups, this is the plan and I'm excited to see it and we'll talk a lot about the players too. There were some really freaking good games from the players that we expected the Giants to make to the whole thought we had this offseason Nick was, if this team clicks, what's going to happen is Abel's going to make the offense quarterback proof and the defensive line is going to take over games on the other side of the ball. That's essentially exactly what happened this game. Now I want to give credit to Jones. Jones played a good game. We broke that down. So don't try to put spin words and put it into my mouth. I've already broken down how he played a good game. But this offense is neighbors. This is a quarter. We're not throwing the ball crazy lengths down field. We're not taking whole shots. We're not throwing seam balls. We're not throwing outside the numbers really or down the field very often. It is what we hit. We said, and the D line did dominate this game, Nick. Brian Burns, amazing game, Dexter Lawrence, amazing game, nine pressures from Burns, seven from Dexter Lawrence. Aziz O'Jallari, dude, looked phenomenal in this game. Unlimited snaps. Kayvonne, pretty good. I would say less. I would say for me, the least impressive of the four. But Elijah Chapman got involved in a spot where he can get a sack, right? They put him in a place where he can rush the passer and use his athleticism and speed and quickness. So this is what I wanted to see all year. I'm happy it only took three games because I was getting a little worried. It wasn't that it was going to be a situation where we're like, last year, we were like, the Giants D line could be one of the best in the NFL because we thought we'd see a huge jump from Kayvonne. And it was like, ah, shit, the Giants D line is not one of the best in the NFL. But this year, this game, it felt like one of those times, and I haven't felt this a lot as a fan, dude, where like, you're overwhelmed completely as an offensive line. You're offense, like Watson in that old line, there was no options. No, there were no options. And it was also scheme as well, like it wasn't just the individual efforts of the players that you were naming. So I'm bringing up a play right now. This was early in the game, first in 10, 1123 left in the first quarter. And this is deliberate. We're going to have Dexter Lawrence as a one shade. And he's a one shade towards Azizo Jalari, who is in a two point stance, not in a wide nine, but not necessarily in a five technique outside of the five technique of Dewan Jones, the offensive tackle. So how is the Browns offensive line going to block this up when the Giants send Micah McFadden, who was just outside, you can see a shadow on YouTube by Azizo Jalari. He's just outside. The Giants used these well-timed blitzes with these outside defenders being linebackers, sometimes Cordell Flatt, sometimes Jason Pinnock, everyone was getting involved in these. But we know that the Giants, when you align Dexter Lawrence in a certain direction, you're going to dictate eyeballs. So 77 is going to handle Dexter Lawrence, who's a one shade to his inside. So that's going to leave Azizo Jalari in a one on one matchup against 79. And the Browns protection is like, hey, we're blocked up. We got Azizo Jalari, there's no other immediate threats in that area, but the Giants knew that the Browns were going to slide in this direction towards cave on or towards Burns. So they used Azizo Jalari as that third rusher to not draw a lot of eyeballs towards him. And in doing so, you can scheme blitzes and scheme pressures in that direction to create a two verse one matchup. And that's exactly what happens here. Look at Micah McFadden coming, you have a 2v1 on 79. Azizo Jalari is going to slam inside, who's picking up Micah McFadden? Nobody's picking up Micah McFadden. And this play ends up going incomplete. The Giants did this several times throughout the game. And they did it towards Azizo Jalari deliberately, and they had Dexter Lawrence as the one shade towards Azizo Jalari to occupy the eyes of that guard to the side, to that side. So I absolutely love that because it's so subtle and it's getting into the weeds of your personnel and how your personnel is going to dictate what the other team is doing and what is Dexter Lawrence doing. He's going inside 77 steps, nobody's on 77. So the waste of blocker at this point, it ends up being a screen anyways to Jerome Ford and Bobby O'Carrick is on that, but Micah McFadden hits to Sean Watson. And he ends up going incomplete and that's because that's a 2v1 at that point. Yep, he broke it down perfectly and he sped up the clock and so these designs are definitely getting, catching this quarterback a little bit by surprise, catching this offense line by surprise, and forcing them out of the spot they want to be in. Yeah, and do you want to go through some of these other plays? Sure, let's break them down. Yeah, so this was right after the fumble, this is the touchdown pass to Amari Cooper over Deontay Banks. And look, Deontay Banks, even in college, he wasn't great at getting his head turned. That was not that we had on him. He's a great man coverage player, very athletic. I think he's good in coverage, I think he's better in zone coverage than he gets credit for. Here, this is elite coverage by Deontay Banks, but it's a perfect throw from Deontay Watson in an amazing catch by Amari Cooper. A rare moment of elite play by Deonton Watson. A rare moment of elite play, for sure, and this is just what a terrible start for the New York Giants. Like, look at where this ball is placed and how he's able to get like crazy. Amari Cooper had like two or three catches like this in the game, too. Yeah, this wasn't a great look for Banks, but even there's part of me, that's not even though. Like, I feel like that coverage was about the end of that. Yeah. A part of me is like, man, in general, like, he's just kind of Amari Cooper being Amari Cooper out of the hunt. And Deonton putting the ball in like the literal perfect spot here, like this hit a horrible game to Sean, but this is a crazy throw. Look at the window he puts this in. Yeah, it's, it's fantastic. Holds that safety too. That's why I was like, oh man, it's going to be such a long way. Oh, I thought we were, I thought we were, I don't want to use that word. I thought we were in a lot of trouble after this first play. I was like, oh my God, the season is going to be worse than I even could have imagined. Yeah. And you can see Burns, Burns getting chipped. He has a tight end over top of him. So he has to work through that and then he has Deonton Jones and then he gets chipped by the running back and you can see KT beats, Judrick Wills is just a little bit too late, tries to break the wrist and then he wins high side and delivers a freaking shot on to Sean Watson, but again, the throw is, is too perfect and it ends up going for six. And then this next play is the one that we just broke down and the Giants had a couple of plays like the one that you're watching right now where they were able to scheme two verse one because how active those second level defenders were for the Giants. And here's another pressure where the Giants get home. I mean, there's so many just blitzes, Dan, where the Giants end up getting home. This is a third and seven play. Let's see. Look at Dane Belton. This is the second level defender, he's right in front of Jason or right behind Jason Pinnock. It looks like, what would you say this defense is? You know, this looks like cover three, something to that effect, middle of the field clothes, made man coverage, but that safety is going to drop down Tyler Neuben drops down to the drag route from the number two eligible receiver to the boundary side and Dane Belton takes the single high and ends up being covered one across the board, but they do it from a different location and then they bring Bobby O'Kareke to handle the running back and the Giants green dog so much. And you have a five man rush with twists and this ends up being the sack by Dexter Lawrence, which we'll see exactly. I love the motion man, Pinnock, he's in motion before the snap of the receiver and ends up blitzing. Yeah. And he ends up blitzing exactly. It's so cool. It's not accounted for. And that's because Tyler Neuben ends up coming down, handling that number two. It's like whoever's going to go in, Tyler Neuben's going to get him, whoever goes out or stays out, there's going to be the assignment of the defender who is outside the numbers. And then Belton takes the single high. Everybody else is accounted for. Sorry. Sorry, go ahead. No. You don't see it on this plate, but the Giants did a great job green dogging all throughout this game. And there's probably a play in this breakdown where you could see what I'm talking about green dogging is when you go on a blitz, when your assignment stays in and pass protection because throughout the game, when Watson was getting his ass kicked, the Browns tried to adjust, you know, six, seven, eight man protection sometime and it didn't even matter and O'Kareke or McFadden, if they saw their running back saying a protection, they would just full on just go right through that player and attempt to get a sack on the Shaw Watson. But on this play, dude, you have Dexter Lawrence as that three technique, cave on tibidow wide cave on tibidow is going to loop underneath Dexter Lawrence. Dexter Lawrence going to go into the be gap. Cave on gets picked up by 55. And you could see how 75 Joel Batorneo, he thinks he's passing passing the Dexter Lawrence off the Jedrick Wills and everything's all hunky Dory. He doesn't even know Jason Pinnock is on the pressure. Jason Pinnock is not accounted for by anybody except for Jedrick Wills. And that puts the Browns in a bind and that allows Jason Pinnock to bend into the pocket and Jedrick Wills comes off to Dexter Lawrence and Dexter Lawrence end up getting the sack. So again, you're just confusing the protection and you're doing things that you didn't really necessarily put on tape for the first two weeks. Pinnock has three sacks this year. Yeah, it's wild. It's nuts, man. It is nuts. And it's exciting. I think, you know, this was such a good step. Now I will say this, the play we broke down earlier, it might even have been in this play. It was this play. That's the type of stuff I can see a different kind of quarterback beating them on, like when they're buzzing down the safety to take the two and it just gets the ball out fast to that guy. And then one mistackle and we're talking about like a really bad play for the defense. But again, you got to know your matchup. This is Deshawn Watson and this is the Browns right now, the passing game with Deshawn Watson. You can take these risks against him. And I hope the Giants are like this in all their matchups against certain kind of quarterbacks. And quite frankly, dude, we'll see if they're healthy with Devontae and Vijay Brown. I'd like to play this aggressively against Jalen Hertz too. And I think a lot of teams have played this aggressively against Hertz, which is why Hertz has struggled for the last like 12 to 15 games. Yeah. Yeah. Well, at the wait and see. Look at the hold on Dexter Lawrence too. Oh, there are so many holds when you when you see a tape like this where it's this kind of pressure all game, you see so many uncalled holds somewhere cross dog blitz between the linebackers and they're isolating 77 and Deontaeformer does enough to get Mike and McFadden. But Michael McFadden still gets in on the blitz, Nubin buzzes down like you said, KT deals with the tight end. You have the one on one there. But Dexter Lawrence dictates himself by going inside and 77 has a two view one with a running back. I guess you could say he's in the protection off the play action. It's just a tough situation for the protection to pick up. There's so much games and so much twisting and slanting from this giant defense. It was so hard for the Browns to really get on the same page, especially with all the injuries they dealt with. And here's the pirates. You can see before the sack by Elijah Chapman where he just prides himself through this a gap and you can see how that low nature of Elijah Chapman really comes in handy at this point. Great point. That's what we talked about. Hopefully being an edge for him in the off season, his low center of gravity. I want to do a quick aside now. We've done an hour and 40 minutes between this and the offensive podcast of really what I would consider elite content. Now I'm talking about my own content that way, which is very braggadocious and not the best thing to do, not modest, but I don't care. This has been awesome breakdowns. We put out tons of clips out of these two podcasts, the offense and the defensive film breakdowns. You're seeing a ton of film. You're seeing unbelievable analysis, especially from Nick. And so do us a favor here. Like the podcast. Okay. Please. We haven't and I'm talking about the YouTube video. 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This is the Scripps Act by Brian Burns. Huge play in the game. The Giants just scored their first Mollie neighbors touchdown. And the Browns are just like, "Hey, let's try to get in a few colder engine, get some points on the board." What happened? Brian Burns, that acquisition, comes up and comes up with this big sack on Deshaun Watson, wins around the edge, Stripsack, the Giants end up scoring again. And this wasn't even this like crazy blitz or anything, it was just Brian Burns winning around the edge. You can see. I'm a fucking game, man. I did it. I cursed to get a hell of a game. Yeah, I know. And this is a four man rush. You have, what, one hole, I believe, looking at the coverage it looks like. And you can see how the safety, even though they're in cover one, that safety shades wear over the top of Deontay Banks towards Amare Cooper. Yep. Everybody else kind of has a little bit of a cushion. Roll this back to the pre-snap look when you get a chance. Yeah. So here we go. So here's the pre-snap look, right? And we talked about the spot, the situation here, the Browns are in pass mode. They're trying to get some points before the, before the end of the half and they're looking again to feel go range used to keep it on for a quick second. Look at how different this pre-snap looks versus all the pre-snap looks we saw last week against Washington. It's night and day from a space. There's so many more players near the line of scrimmage. I know it's a different look. It's covered one, but like, this is kind of the point we were trying to make. And like, I feel like there's very few times, Nick, where I want to see the space that the Giants provided last week, again, in any game plan, no matter who the quarterback is. I just don't personally believe too much in giving that much space as a defense. Like, I, I, I, I think the, this game is around the line of scrimmage. Get your guys around the line of scrimmage. Take your chances. Giants are in a pretty aggressive look here, pre-snap, for what the situation is against this personnel. And it works out. It works out because Brian Burns, because of Brian Burns. And DeWann Jones, they don't have a good game, but he had a lot on his play. He looked like a year, but a really bad game. Yeah. You look like the reason why he ended up falling. I think a big reason why he ended up falling in the draft though was, was conditioning and things of that nature. Now here we are. Quarter three, 14, 55, second and 10. Giants end up getting home on good old DeShawn Watson, just blitz like crazy. Bobby O'Carrickay gets in, he sees that Jerome Ford is staying in protection. So he just becomes that quarterback spy. Kind of like what we were referencing before. It was defensive lineman. Giants pressed the line of scrimmage. They even sent Tyler Neuben down, Charles Tillman stays and you can see how the, the Browns, I love watching early plays in the half to see what the adjustments were. What are the adjustments that the Browns are, are employing on this second and 10? Maybe we should keep a lot of guys in protection. We need to stop the blitz and the pressure of the New York Giants. That was the adjustment. And it didn't even matter. This ends up being a second and 10 sack sets up this fourth and 16 or, I'm sorry, third and 12, 14, 16 left, you're going to get a quarters blitz. So now we see an adjustment from the Giants with a lot of cover one. It was a lot of cover one hole, middle of the field clothes. You have a middle of the field clothes look pre snap and the Giants are going to go to something that is a little bit more aligned with Shane Bowen's DNA, a quarters look. So you get a third and 12 blitz from a double a mug look. Third and 12, flot comes in on that extra pressure and in the quarters look, Deshawn Watson nearly throws an interception to Brian Burns. That's Brian Burns right there, but you can see how this is to those deep defenders have a fourth bolt of the safeties in the middle of the field. They're reading the release of the number two and the crow flat defenders are sinking underneath and the Giants sacrifice one of their coverage defenders to bring them on the blitz to get pressure on Deshawn Watson. Deshawn doesn't even really recognize Burns here. No, no, I don't think so. Burns he bails. He sinks right underneath three really bad stuff from the quarterback there. Yeah. And look, I'm a line of scrimmage from that double a look. Of Dane Beltan bailing to that secondary middle hook responsibility with flot. You see, they're replacing this is just like, if you would have do this against most quarterbacks, though, this is why I want to, you know, keep this, keep this praise tempered a little bit. And I think the praise is warranted. Don't get me wrong, but most quarterbacks are picking this apart, like sure. Watch how Dane Beltan is bailing from the line of scrimmage and then you have Cordell flock up all the way from like near the numbers to the field. I think that's so much. So it just show Watson is just not the quarterback. He's not in the right place in this play at all. He's just looking to his right this entire time. Yeah, where he should be the opposite. Well, it's not even just that. If you're going to look to your, if you want to look to your right, that's fine. I think he might be hoping that that boundary receiver wins on this quick curl set or turn, but he doesn't. And then he panics and just throws to the apex, but you don't have that apex. He's curling to the inside. Now, I don't know a lot of more that is. I don't know if there was an out of choice. I also didn't think Kevin Stafansky. I was going to say this feels very Jason Garrity. These were out combinations here. This is ugly to me. I felt that way throughout the game, too. I felt like they really designed a lot of. Don't you think? Yeah. That made it difficult for Watson, especially when Watson was playing so poorly, he's longer developing plays and trying to learn as quick as a crazy design. But then the Giants, you know, they come back out and cover three, which like, Oh, okay, we're going to run cover three towards the red zone at the 30 yard line, and Sean Watson has Elijah Moore wide open wide open misses of that's a good guy Elijah Moore to God. That's so frustrating for your Browns fan to second and 10 play. Moore's wide open Watson just misses new bin man. He's this middle of the field clothes safety. He's more shaded though towards Amari Cooper and the Sean Watson tells new bin where he's going with this football. And you could see on the end zone copy, but Newman, it takes him a little bit to get over to this scene ball and it's it's wide open and you don't get much much more open than that. Watson just misses it on the second and 10. There were a lot of these wildly off target throws from the quarterback in this game. I put a couple up on Twitter, just the the ball placement was really bad for Watson in this game. Yeah, I mean, look at Watson's playing this on the pressure. Yeah, no, if you watch Watson's head too, he catches the ball, looks at the safety, sees that he's on that hash and his eyes is the entire time he hits the back foot. His eyes are still locked on Elijah Moore and be really a much easier throw than he makes it. Yeah. And then this ends up being a sack I have up here, but we also had the, um, this is the Ojilari sack, but on the next play, I didn't include it here, I guess. The next play was a wide open drag route that Watson missed to Elijah Moore. Yeah, I believe it was. And it's just like cheese, man. That was a play I put on Twitter. That was crazy. This is the Jason pinock sack that we're running through at the moment. Pinock blitzes third and 10 11 33 left in the third quarter. You have cave on tibido who slants inside, like another pirate type of stunt. It doesn't really look like the agap defender towards that side is slanting, but they both penetrate their respective gaps and cave on tibido loops all the way around that and he matches Deshawn Watson. You see how we've matched them and that forces Deshawn Watson to bounce back to the left side where pinock is able to grab his hip and wrap them up. Jason pinock three sacks on the season. Crazy. Yeah, I know man. He's having, he's putting together some sack numbers, but just really fun watching this Giants defense in this game. They really looked like we expected them to look. Now exactly. cave on does a really good job winning high side against Dewan Jones here and then Ojilari cleans up this sack first and 10 quarter, three, seven, 25 left. You have the second and 15 Simmons comes on the blitz. This is the blind side blitz. Allah, what we saw against the Giants frequently, but he misses the play. Watson rolls out still nowhere to go. Still nowhere to go. You can see how excited when pissed Simmons is, but the Giants just like as you're watching this, you're just seeing so many different and creative ways that the Giants are able to get into certain coverages. By using their safeties and their, and their, and their linebackers in certain pressure packages. I'm just, I'm happy to see the complete difference in game plan. Little nitpick for me there, but I do not at all like the angle that Simmons took towards the car. Oh, no, same here. I don't think that's a little nitpick. He goes, look man, you have interior pressure. You got to. That's what I mean. Bring him back, force him back inside. I don't know why you're taking that angle and that would have been an easy sack of you force him back inside. Yeah. And burns man burns again, defeating the tackle and then defeating burns. He's had a great game in this man. I can't, we are superlatives to see who exactly best player because it's hard to really take it away from Dexter Lawrence. We're about to find out. Yes, we are about to find out. And I wanted to just point out the good communication because communication has been such a sticking point all throughout the, the off season, right? Now you're going to see this is a first and 10 early in the fourth quarter. The Giants are going to get to a, a one high single high look. And the safety is going to come down over the, the running back and match him there. So the Giants get a, or they get mismatched with Marry Cooper coming over the middle of the field. The Aunty Banks is in in position to really clamp down on this drag route, this horizontal cross. So he pushes him to Micah McFadden. And you can see Micah McFadden push a Marry Cooper to Bobby O'Carricket. And if you're watching on YouTube, you see Bobby O'Carricket's eyes, he has a receiver right in front of him, Elijah Moore with another defender near the numbers. But you can see Bobby O'Carricket's eyes, he hears Micah McFadden, you're like this push call. But Micah McFadden just comes off and then just assumes a Marry Cooper. And then what does Micah McFadden do? He understands a Marry Cooper is now not my responsibility. I need to go and take that other, that other receiver, that other eligible receiver that Bobby O'Carricket initially had. And this is a little check down, but then O'Carrick, or then Micah McFadden is right there to clean this up. So I just appreciated this communication from the Aunty Banks to Micah McFadden to Bobby O'Carricket. Doesn't seem like much, but it at least shows that they're able to pass these routes off. And then even after the routes are passed off, understand like, hey, I also have this assignment, I need to go execute. And Micah McFadden, somebody who historically has not been great with these types of assignments through his initial part, mainly his rookie season back in 2022, really did a good job here in my opinion, especially because he has to account for the RPO. So you have to account for the RPO, then you have to robot, locate, push, O'Carricket does a great job and then he comes and finishes the play. Love that. Agreed. Anything else film breakdown wise before we get to Superlatives? No, we can get into the Superlatives, we ran through a lot of those and it's just a ton of exotic pressures, looks, twists and a great job by shame zone. And a great job on the run defense as well, which we'll get to in the Superlatives. But before we get to that specific point, let's get to the Superlatives. Let's do unheralded player on tape for you. Unheralded player on tape. I'm going to go with Azizo Jallar. Okay. He's in the highest effort, but look, he's a third pass rusher. You went out to acquire Brian Burns. So you're replacing Azizo Jallar as a starter and Azizo Jallar has struggled to stay healthy. So there's a reason for that. But he's able to play 20 snaps here, 25 snaps and have an impact. And it's really that high side bend that he displays that I really appreciate. So for an unheralded player, I think Cordell Flock could have got this. He's somebody that I've been very hard on over the last couple of games and I think rightfully so. But he had a bounce back game here that I was really happy to see and I think in general, there's a lot of players that could fit into this, but there are a lot of heralded players as well. So I think Azizo Jallar is a player that I'm going to settle on here. My pick is Micah McFadden. You broke down one of the great plays that he made from an unheralded standpoint. I love the pressure he had. We broke that one down earlier. I think he's just playing a lot faster and he was last year too, but he's playing even faster. And I'm happy that he's assimilated to this defense faster than maybe some expected he would. Some maybe build him as just a, you know, windmarnedell kind of guy. I don't think he is. I think he's playing good football. I think he was a fine for the Giants. They, I think if we saw a different player in his spot playing this number of snaps, we would see a much bigger drop off than we think right now. Okay. How about highest effort player on tape for you? Yeah. Highest effort player was Micah McFadden. Micah McFadden was flying around, I, this could have won the Brian Burns as well, but I wanted to maybe make it dramatic to see who's going to get best player overall Brian Burns or Dexter Lawrence. And maybe I want to spice it up because Dexter Lawrence gets it every damn week, but I shame Bowen puts a lot on the plates of these linebackers and it was good that Micah McFadden stepped in here and was very sound against the run and the Giants were able to keep the integrity of the defense intact. So I'm going to go with McFadden on the highest effort player. I had Brian Burns for this one, um, look, he's dropping into coverage at times and nearly picks fixing it. He looked like he was making such an effort on both his pass rush plays and, and when he was defending the run. So he, and he's done that all season. He's been a better runner vendor than people realize this was finally the game where it pays off for him and the stats start to show up for a player who has been looking for stats in the first two weeks. So I'm giving it to Burns. How about best player overall? Yeah. It's Dexter Lawrence. Yeah. But Dex is just insane and one of the reasons why shame bone was able to get very creative is just because the Browns had to pay so much attention to Dexter Lawrence. Like those alignments pre snap are a big deal because it does occupy that one guard and that allows that two V one to be schemed up. We had the one broken down, which was a screen mind you, but there were other plays where flock got involved and pin not gotten involved where those two V ones were schemed. And a lot of it is because Dexter Lawrence commands so much attention. It was closed for me between Lawrence and Burns it really was. Burns had a forced fumble that really changed this game in my opinion because it gave the giant side opportunity to have a quick turnaround and the offense answered. They scored that touch on that pretty much decided the game in my opinion. So impact plays wise, I would say it is Burns, but I'm going with Dexter Lawrence because if you just watch the film, he is the most dominant player on the film. And it's not even close. I saw a stat that a Nick Dexter Lawrence is one pressure away from having and we're not including Aiden Hodgson, or we will from having the second most pressures in the NFL. He is 17. The second most is 18. Hodgson is 25. Hodgson is insane. But here's the second, almost the second most pressure through the third most pressures in the NFL. And he plays defensive tackle. Everyone else on that list was an edge guy, Nick. So like it's just phenomenal what he's able to do. He's redefining it and he's doing it at like 340 pounds. It's not like he's some like little 290 pound dude who's just like used in this specific system. Yeah, yeah, or just like, you know, little for a detackle and just used to shoot every gap and like, you know, and it's a scheme based thing. This is a player based thing. He's that dominant of a player. I think he's the best defensive player in football. He played 80% of snaps in this game. That scares me. The Giants kind of need him to play that number because it's so bad behind him. I'll tell you what, when we get to draft season, I will be strongly scouting the interior defensive lineman. And I hope they make a day two pick on the interior defense line because you can usually get great value on day two on the interior defensive line and really phenomenal players. The Giants have obviously done that over the years. Players like Dalvin Tomlinson, among others. So we'll see what happens when that comes. Player we expect to see more from. Yeah, it's the only player that really comes to mind. That's Deontay Bex. So yeah, he lost like, I don't even think his coverage was really bad, but you had to get your head around it. He got his head around. Some of those could have been interceptions. And when you lose, like, I would say three, like what the hell type of catch attempts to Amari Cooper, and you don't really win too many. And if Cedric Tillman was good, then he loses that fourth down play as well, even though he was in good coverage, the ball hit Cedric Tillman between the one and the nine. You got to catch that. So how was bad? It's an obvious Deontay Bex. Yeah, I think that banks is the fair call, but I'm still going with a different player here, Nick. And this is a tough. This is a tough love one. It's just my expectation. The bar is set so high. It's cave on tibido for me. My bar is set really high yet. I'll tell you why I think that I think from watching this tape, and you may disagree with me. This is just my opinion. That is easy. I was the better pass rusher this game than cave on tibido with fewer opportunities than cave on tibido. And I don't think it was that particularly close. I you would disagree with that. That's fine. No, I wouldn't. Okay. I kind of think you you can make an argument if he's easy to Laurie could stay damn healthy. He might be a better overall pass rusher than cave on tibido. But that to me is a problem. So I don't want to draft someone at seven overall or five overall. I mean, where he's not an elite pass rusher. Like he does other things well, which I'm not even so sort of sold. He does all this other stuff well, besides backside pursuit, like he's not this amazing guy at the point of attack, but we did have a great play on that third in one. He had a really good player. The fourth in one, whatever it was, the Browns ran, giving credit for where it's due. I just have very high expectations for cave on and what he was supposed to be or what he could be. And I just watched this tape and I'm like, well, I see the one move. Like he's got the one move that seems to work for him. But it's like outside of that, it doesn't seem to be too much and he doesn't have amazing edge bend like Ojilari has or like Burns has. So I don't know, man, I just I'm expecting at some point him to take this huge jump and I'm just not so sure I'm going to see it. Not at this point, at least. So we'll say that's just the player for me that came to mind because just because I got the juxtaposed against the season, maybe you're right. I'm supposed to adjust my expectations, which is fine. Maybe that's what I'll do, Nick, and I'll have a different expectation moving forward. But as of now, I expect cave on to be a much better player than Ojilari. He was drafted to be a better player than Ojilari. No, hey, man, I'm not disagreeing with you on that. Yeah. Again, I believe you can make an argument, a plausible argument that as these Ojilari is a better pass rusher because the threat that he poses offenses on the high side and we saw it, I think two or three times in this game where the bend, his footwork through contact while he is getting his hips oriented into the pocket is much better than cave on. And I thought cave on took a step forward, but it's also just the natural athletic ability and the natural flexibility of the Ojilari is fluidity. It's much more dynamic than cave on him. The ref is not winning power either, man. Right. That's what he's supposed to be doing. He's supposed to be winning power and he's not winning power. So then I think about it, like my favorite, the best rep I thought I saw from cave on was the rep that he always kind of wins with and it was against Juan Jones. It was kind of where he dips his shoulder and gets around the high side. But like that rep, I've seen deep, I've seen good offensive tackles or offense tackles playing good games, I should say, take that shit away really easily. And so it's like, what else do we got going for us if he's not going to win with power? I don't know. Look, this was a game where the Giants had 36 pressures and eight sacks. And I felt like he was the fourth best pass rusher at best on this team in this game. So it's just like, I don't know, when he's not drafted to be that a five overall at all, right? Like, eight and I'm just in his 25 pressures this year, dude. I mean, that was supposed to be the type of caliber pass rusher we were getting in that pass class in that class. It's just like, look, Derek Stingley, right? Uh, sauce, Garner, these are guys that ultimately might have been more impactful by a margin. It's starting to feel like then gave on there. And that's what starts to scare me a little bit because I needed a blue, I need, we need blue chips, dude. Like we can't just have Evan Neal and gave on Dibito beat one, be a pretty good player and gave on. And then the other beat on the bench, it's just hard to win football like that. They're doing it. They've won a game this game, but it's like long term expectations. I think the crappiest thing about this conversation. Yeah. It's you can make a real argument that Wanda Robinson is the most impactful player from that draft class. And that's not a slight on Wanda, but Wanda Robinson is who he is. And I think he's a very good football player. That's a slight on cave on tip. Obviously Evan Neal, but cave on tibito too. We do need a little bit more from him, especially since, and yeah, he sees chips sometimes, but it's not like, like everything's going to decks and everything's going to Brian Burns. This is the year where where cave on tibito needs to come up with these big time plays to get the defense off the field, especially when he has plays. He's the looper or he's the player who is going to have the the more direct path, depending on if the offense plays it the way that you expect the offense to play and cave on just hasn't necessarily that. I don't think he played poorly, but you're right. It's one of those it's one of those things where you watch and you're just like, I need to see a little more. And that's kind of just been cave on tibito throughout his entire NFL career. It's not bad, he's had a few moments where he's gotten to that level, the Jets game, the Washington game, like he's had his moments, right? The Baltimore game, Seattle game, like, and two of those were just big plays out big times, but and not the ball to the Washington and the, and the other one I mentioned that I'm forgetting, but because I'm trying to get to the next point, the point that I'm trying to make years, he didn't have a bad game. He was good on tape, but here's what I'm trying to make. Think about it like this. Let's frame it like this. And we'll move on. Who out of his draft class or who out of any player that was drafted that high has a better situation than cave on tibito this year, he has Dexter Lawrence and Brian Burns taking away attention from him. That is the best situation in the NFL for anyone. Like, I can imagine he is that you can't, you have to be better in my opinion. Like if he was just the lone guy, the giants put on their D line, like our whole pass versus cave on tibito, we drafted him five overall, do your best. We won't add that much talent around you. I can understand, look, he's getting attention every play. It's hard to win, but he's not that's not the scenario, right? Like this is the best case scenario that he could be in with those two guys on his team, Lawrence and Burns. So I don't know. I just think it's what you said. I don't see him winning with power very often. And I don't really feel like he has a huge repertoire of moves and he doesn't have great edge bend. He has that one move where he does the dip and rip and it's like, all right, let's, let's, let's use, let's, let's, let's figure something else out here. Like, I don't know, man. I just expect in a game like this to see it, to have seen more amazing plays from number five, I guess. I agree. And before we go on, you see with Brian Burns, Brian Burns doesn't maybe have the power profile. I think he's stronger than he gets credit for, but the power profile that cave on tibito has. But we see Brian Burns employee of a few different moves. Yes, he's a elite high side rusher. He can win high side because of his band and his explosiveness. But how many times do we see that inside spin move hits an outside spin sometimes where he just slants inside and he uses his agility and his flexibility to make the defensive lineman or the offensive lineman miss, right? Like he can do all those and just don't really see any of that from cave on. No, in addition to not really being the best frame in my opinion for run support. So I just, I don't know, it's, he's, he's, he's much better than he, than he looks in that regard. He plays above his frame, I guess I should say, but yeah, I don't know, just, let's keep an eye on that. Hopefully he starts to evolve into a different player. Let's wrap up here with pass rushing grade one through 10. I'm excited to see your number. Mine is ridiculous. Yeah. Mine's a nine, five. Okay. And the only reason it's not 10 is because you were planning to show on Watson. And I think if you had like Andy Dalton back there, John's probably wouldn't have had that kind of a success. But I mean, the end result is the end result. The Giants kickcracker. The Browns are crazy that we use Andy Dalton. That's my point. Yeah. It's crazy. The quarterback position is nuts right now in the NFL, man. I mean, Danny Dalton became the only quarterback this year to throw for 303 TDs in a game. And you watch that tape, dude, he is dissecting things like he's maneuvering through reads. He's just dropping balls into crazy spots. I'm like, what is this, Andy Dalton? What is this? He wasn't even this good reason with the bangles. And he's now 36 or whatever. So that's wild. But I went nine, nine. This is as perfect as a pass rush as I could hope for here, 36 pressures. Most in Giants history, basically, or at least since they started tracking them eight sacks, like I can't get better than this. How about run defense and shouldn't your take there? Run defense. Jeez. And nine, nine, one, I mean, the Browns couldn't really get anything going on the ground that the Giants were elite in run defense, especially when you consider what they put on tape last week against Washington commanders or whatever the hell they call themselves now. So yeah, I'm going to go with a nine one. Yeah, one mistake on defense. The one you talked about a little bit over aggressive and they ran the draw, but now that side of that. I know it's only a 10 yard gain. So I went nine five. I mean, I don't see how much better it could be. It was a dominant performance, but it finds defense man. There was like a two or three play stretch where the Browns move the football where the Giants missed a few tackles and they look like week two New York Giants other than that. And it was at that time when everyone's butthole was getting a little tight because it seemed like the Browns were actually going to mount to come back against Giants. But other than those like three or four plays, this defense was insanely talented against it. Lights out is right. One to watch really was hopefully the judge. This is a sign of things to come Nick. It's going to be so much better for us and you listening and everyone in our families. They can beat the Cowboys this week. Just changes so much, man. They lose its one in three and we're pretty much where we were. They win two and two with the division looking the way it is to me, Philly looks pretty vulnerable. Not that vulnerable, pretty vulnerable, Dallas, Dallas, man. This could be ugly year for them. And Washington, I know they beat us, but I feel like we stupidly lost that game and we'll beat them next time. And I'm not really worried about them long term for the 2024 season meeting like the rest of the season. So let's see what happens, man. Thank you for tuning in. Please like, please subscribe, please download, please leave a rating review on iTunes. Those are the four keys. And you know what we want to do a mailbox and I was going to talk to you about this. I didn't bring it up to you off pod, but it's probably not going to happen this week because it's a short week. But after that, it's definitely not going to happen this week. I forgot. We're playing Thursday for a second. I forgot that. This week's not going to happen. 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