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The survey will help create a better advertising experience for audiences and in turn help this show. That's bluewirepods.com/survey. Where all you have to do is answer some simple questions for a chance to win $500. Make sure to read the full terms and disclaimer plus complete the survey for a chance to win. Bluewirepods.com/survey. The link is also in the show notes of this episode. Welcome back. It's the big blue banter New York Giants football podcast. I'm Dan Schneider joins always Michael Sniffillato. They were here on this Monday afternoon or evening whatever you want to call it as the sun starting to go down Nick to break down. The Giants offensive film review on tape. It was a tale of two halves for the Giants dominant performance some might say. I would say in the first half from an offensive standpoint. Saw some awesome things. A quick turnaround touchdown after a turnover, which was followed by a touchdown on the drive before both Red Zone passing TDs, Red Zone conversions, not settling for fuel goals. And then in the second half the Browns took away a lot of what the Giants did successfully in the first half. So the Giants got aggressive and they took some shots in the second half multiple shots in the second half to back to back one layer in the game. None of which worked or were completed for anything one, which was almost a disaster and an interception. So it was a tale of two halves, but let's start with the first half Nick where the things worked on the Giants offense. I want you to talk a little bit about the Brown scheme on the defensive side of the ball, how it meshed against what the Giants were trying to do on offense and why maybe it led to some success for the Giants. Yeah, if we go back to the Friday episode, it might have been Thursday night, whenever we drop the preview to the Browns, we said, this is a very attacking defense. I broke it down at Big Blue View. They wanted to fit. They wanted to fill very aggressively, specifically Jeremiah Wusukor, Moa, and Grant Delpitt. Brian Dable did a very good job calling plays to take advantage of that aggression and the Giants really using their screen game to get the Browns off guard. And dude, if you look at that first touchdown drive, they had two holding penalties, got into this terrible position. We've seen this happen to the Giants so much in recent memory day where the Giants fall into a second in 17, and what happens? They fall apart. Well, the Giants actually had answers and it seemed like the Browns, and we saw this manifest on that first interception that when they gave an interception on the roughing the passer, where Daniel Jones threw the football right to the defender from him. He seemed like he was middle of the field clothes went really far down to like the apex spot, and then undercut the O Johnson. I think the Johnson might not have been in position. But on that play, there was a blind side pressure blind side blitz from the Browns. Daniel Jones gets smacked in the face. It was not picked up by the Giants. But throughout the game, Schwartz sent that at least four or five other times the Giants had a counter punch for it, one of them being that Devin Singletary play that put them into a third in two or third in the three situation where Devin Singletary just flares out to the flat. Daniel Jones puts the football on them and then Jeremiah Russo core Moa is in position to make attack on Singletary and Singletary just makes a miss right now. And Singletary to Dan, this is a player who has 17 Miss tackles forced through three weeks, which is second in the NFL behind only Jordan Mason. So he's really been an asset. He just needs to hold on to the damn football. But from a scheme perspective, the Giants did a good job countering what Jim Schwartz wanted to do, which was pressure the shit out of Daniel Jones, stop the run. They were able to stop the run, but the Giants quick passing attack will go over a lot of these plays here in a little bit. The Giants quick passing attack was able to combat Jim Schwartz's attempt to thwart the New York Giants and help the New York Giants stay efficient, stay on script, and ultimately get a victory. Yeah, there was a lot to impact there. I'll start with Singletary. You mentioned he's second most forced mistackle rate in the NFL. That's probably arguably the most important stat for running back individually. It's the best way to judge how he's performing individually. But yards after contact is the next best one to judge and he's six best in the NFL yards after contact. He's basically playing like one of the six best running backs in the NFL when you look at it from that perspective and I don't think that's an unfair way to look at it. We've broken down the tape on him, Nick. He's doing a lot with a little and the one week where he got good run blocking, which was last week against Washington, he almost had one of the best performances of any running back was at 5.9 yards per carry. We put the tape up last week, go watch our week two breakdown. You can see him forcing mistacos. You can see him generating the most possible yards from each given carry. So I'm really impressed. Obviously the Fumbles are an issue. That's two Fumbles now in two weeks. That's the one thing that you can knock them for. The next point you made, which I thought was interesting, was just how good of a game Brian Dable called and I'm going to say in the first half, but I'm also going to say in the second half and I'll get to that in a little bit. Let's start with the first half and some of the things the Giants did successfully on offense. And we talked a lot throughout these years of like the value of having an advantage from a coaching standpoint on a week to week basis. I don't think there's ever a better time to discuss that than now when you see what Kevin O'Connell is doing with Sam Darnold and even more strikingly to me, Nick, what Matt LaFloor has done with Malik Willis. That's the most striking example of them all. I mean, he threw for like 220 Malik Willis with 70 yards rushing. People who watched him against it when he was on the Titans, Nick were like, this dude can't even generate 90 yards of total offense and he literally couldn't on that team. And now he's in a good, you know, a good system with Green Bay and he's become an effective quarterback. So, Dable has done that with Brian with Daniel Jones in this offense so far in two of the three weeks. And this was another example of that. And a lot of it was what you said, the screen game, calling it a perfect timing. I loved using the running backs for outlets against these blitzes. Tyrone Tracy had a few plays, Devin Singletary had a few plays. And then generally speaking, finding those one-on-one options for Malik neighbors, which you're going to get in a game every week, you're going to get at least a few of those and dialing them up and having your quarterback understand. I feel like, look, it's hard to say why, but Daniel Jones's eyes are in a much better place than they've ever been, in my opinion, including 2022, honestly, in the passing game. And I want to say that Brian Dable is playing a role in that, having worked so closely with him as the play caller at this point and designing these game plans and being such a big part of them. I don't know if that's true, but I know he gave them advantage in this game and I'd like that you called that out first because this was the best game of the season yet for Dable. And this was a reminder to Giants fans what his upside as a play designer and a play caller can be. I mean, this is what you want from anybody who's calling your plays. It's simple concept, some of it. If you're going to bring the pressure, we're going to find an outlet. There were some of the plays we're going to go over here again in a little bit where the Giants just put a defender in conflict. You're going to bring blind side pressure. I'm going to have a three man route concept to the boundary side of the field. I'm going to put your curl flat defender into conflict who is an end man on the line of scrimmage. We're talking about an edge rusher, whatever receiver he decides to stick to, whether it's the stick from one Dale Robinson or the flat to Tyrone Tracy. I'm going to throw to the other one. And good luck getting out there to Tyrone Tracy. When you pick up six, seven, eight yards doing this, the Giants were able to do that throughout most of the first half. The most impressed I was by the New York Giants was the fact that they didn't panic when they got into the second and long situations. Or these first and long situations after some of the penalties, the holding penalties they had specifically on that first touchdown drive. Because they weren't able to run the football. This was a game where it was really just play calling Malik neighbors and a lot of just efficient, quick passing concepts that propelled the Giants to victory over Cleveland. And this is one of the better defenses in the national football. We saw that in the second half and they were able to adjust to the New York Giants in the second half. Again, I'm also happy that the Giants were able to not say, "Hey, we have a two possession lead. Let's just run the football and try to bleed the clock." They were attacking that tight end league play. I'll tell you man, I'm not a huge fan of, I think, that play design with Theo Johnson specifically, who really just has not looked good through three games. And Daniel Jones rolling that far to his right to set up because Jones doesn't really have that type of arm strength. We saw earlier in the game, he almost threw an interception to Martin Emerson. If it wasn't for Malik neighbors just taking it away from him and absolutely mossing this dude, that would have been an interception. So from her arm strength standpoint, I'm not sold on Daniel Jones making that throw to a rookie tight end. So I think the Giants really got away with one, but I like the aggressive nature still. It's just, I don't know about that to Theo Johnson because, I mean, there's a lot to really unpack with that one play specifically, but I do appreciate then the balls it takes to kind of put the foot on the gas pedal and try to really earn that win, especially with the slot fades too. I agree with you. I think ultimately you mentioned it's not always, doesn't always have to be these, you know, massive designs. It can be simple stuff that wins you football games. And a lot of play calling to me at least is guessing right and getting your defensive corner to guess wrong. And I think that's an example of that. Like in the second half when the Browns played the Giants a certain way to take away all the things that worked in the first half, he didn't just go lean on them the entire second half. He took his shots, those back-to-back slot fades. The first one should have been a touchdown to Malik neighbors. The second one was actually a decent ball. It hung for a little bit. It was a decent ball and neighbors just missed it. It was good play by the D back and then that design throwback. I mean, look, I saw it at one point with neighbors in training camp where you know the ball I'm talking about where he kind of ran across the formation. The ball hung up there and it was incomplete. I believe it was incomplete in that training game practice. I would agree with you. Jones doesn't really have the arm talent to make that throw. But Dable clearly thinks he does because he's calling these plays for him and I'll let him prove me wrong. You know what I mean? Like, I'll give that shot because to me, I'd rather take that opportunity. I know it could have led to an interception. I'd rather take that opportunity than throwing into what the defense is taking from you. And I'll say this. I'll add to what you said. I think the number one and two factor if I had to put in the game are the two that you called out. Play calling and Malik neighbors as far as what the offense was able to be a little bit. I'll use the word explosive in the first half, maybe not in the nature of like explosive plays down the field with throws, but just in the sense of 21 points and a lot of good red zone plays. But I think there were other factors in this game for sure. The first being, you know, the third being the offensive line play. It's a third week of steady drum beat in a row of this offensive line allowing the Giants to get things going. There have been times in the past where the offense line has not been able to. And you made a great point. Like this Brown's defense, maybe it's not 100%, but it's still one of the better defense in the NFL. It completely shut down. Doug Peterson and Trevor Lawrence a week ago. I watched that film. They were going nowhere in that game. Forty seven percent of their plays were either negative plays or stop at the line of scrimmage. Right. That's one single. Yeah. And Miles Garrett still played in this game. I guess he was playing a little hurt, but he played pretty dominantly in this game. You got the best of Andrew Thomas. Yeah. And that never happens. It's like Andrew Thomas is worst guy. I saw from Brandon Dorn. He was like Miles Garrett at seven pressures in this game. That's the first time Thomas has led up more than four pressures in a game since 2020 is rookie season, which is a totally different Andrew Thomas. Like that just shows you he's going to have a bad game occasionally. We're used to like every game being great, but like it's not even a bad game by Thomas. I don't think by the way, but like he's going to get beat, I should say occasionally. But point being this Brown's defense. This was a real test. This was a real defense. Even the Cowboys, they played I believe in week one. Like that press got lights up almost everyone from a passing exam into anything against them in that game, really. They won the game, but there wasn't much offense. So it was really impressive. I'll put the offensive line up there as well. And I'll put Daniel Jones too, who, you know, a lot of those plays you talked about finding those solutions. I don't think those solutions are easy to find if your quarterback is not going to be connected from a footwork standpoint and from a mechanic standpoint, which leads to ball placement and getting the ball out into space. Those throws to Singletary to Tracy especially, even those underneath throws to Wandao and to the neighbors. The ball placement was pretty damn good from Daniel Jones and I watched it and we'll break it down in a little bit. We can throw this start up now if you'd like to, but just a few plays from Daniel Jones about seven plays I cut up where I focus on a few things, but I thought on all of these seven plays, his mechanics and his footwork and his eyes were in really good position to drive the football. You know, I watch a lot of JTO Sullivan breakdowns, Nick, the quarterback school. And one thing he always talks about that he likes to see with quarterbacks is them getting both their cleats in the ground to generate more drive and force on these throws on their throws. And I thought Daniel Jones did a really good job with his feet of getting those cleats in the ground to kind of drive off of them and use his base to kind of, and he's a strong guy, right? Like, he has a, I'm sure I don't know, but I'm sure he's a strong Corey works out of time. This throw to Wandao, it's a little throw right there and it's a meat and, you know, it's overlooked. No one talks about it, but I thought that was a great example right there of him driving from his feet and driving from his base and really all throughout the game. That was a hurry up too. Right, and hurry up. I mean, hurry up. Yeah, and that's a drive throw into the right spot. Ball placement is great. The velocity is there and the timing is there. So I think a lot of what they did, the solutions that Dave will found that you talked about were only possible. And this is how small, you know, a game margins this is. If Daniel Jones is going to be connected and his footwork is going to be great, even there, finding a spot to reset, thought he did a good job managing the pocket as well. He's made a lot of progress from a ball placement and from a pocket management and from a footwork standpoint in the last two weeks. And that to me is exciting. Yeah, the third and six in the first quarter with 8.52 left, third and five with 356 and quarter two, third and two, quarter two, seven, 20, third and three, quarter two, one forty nine, that first touchdown the neighbors. Those are all third down plays where Daniel Jones helped extend the play and found an answer when the answer wasn't readily available or he or there was a defender in conflict. He read that defender and was able to deliver a catchable ball. Now, I expect every starting NFL quarterback to be able to do that. That's almost like a baseline at this point. I need to see and I think giant bands want to see a Daniel Jones who's delivering the football accurately down the football field, which we have not seen yet. And the Giants gave him opportunity to do that. I think that one slot fade ball was pretty good that we brought up and he missed the other one. He missed the of the Hyatt deep post, which we knew was going to be dialed up at some point in this game, not just because the Giants have dialed up a similar play multiple times all throughout the season, not necessarily to hide. Some of those were to slate. That was solid coverage too by whichever defender it was on him. So we need to see a more accuracy down the field. In terms of just keeping the offense on script and finding answers, Jones did a really good job in week three against the Browns because the Browns, they're fast. They're aggressive. They were blitzing. They were getting after him and he was able to maneuver the pocket well and find a solution, which is all I can ask for at this point against a team like that, a defense like that on the road. Throw that back up just for one quick second, Nick. I just want to go over that one last play at the very end of the video that flat that flat throw on a third down solution to Wanda Robinson. Yeah, this one. That's what I'm talking about right there with him getting both those cleats in the ground there to drive this football. Bang, you could see it right there. That is not something that's consistent on his tape. It's not something that has been consistent on his tape. And I think it's a big reason why this ball comes out nice and drives to that spot to Wanda Robinson a far throw and allows him to then turn it up field and convert this first down. I've seen too many times where that flat throw from Jones, the footwork is not there and that ball comes out either behind the receiver or it slows down getting the receiver and the receiver can't maximize the yak and then it's not a first down. That's changed a lot in the last two weeks. And it's that part is exciting to me. I'm looking for just progress in any way can find it from the quarterback position, just like any other position we'd evaluate Nick. As far as the deep concepts go that you discussed, I personally not positive. I'm not personally sold that there's going to be a major improvement in that over the course of the season. I've never thought he was a good deep ball passer. I know again that that one stat says he is, but it just hasn't looked that way on tape to me. I feel like his time is a little bit off as far as the passing game goes and I just don't know if the arm talent is necessarily there to make those throws. But I know the Giants are going to keep taking shots because it's been proven and I think it's going to get better. We're going to hit some of these, right? We're not going to miss every single one of these deep shots when they're there. The Hyatt one, the neighbors one, they're going to start completing some of these. He's a professional quarterback. And I think you're right. Giants fans do want to see that and they have every right to want to see that. One thing I think they should want to see as well is probably a few more of these progressions through for Jones. You could see it in some of these plays, but a lot of these are first read throws for Daniel Jones, which is fine. I think it's smart that Brian Dables designed the offense around this to be quite frank. And if you look at the numbers, yes, sorry, go ahead if you want to. Yeah, a lot of that is also just based on what the Giants are doing pre snap with their motion to set the, to set the Browns up when they aren't zoned coverage, disadvantageously. So you motion Malik neighbors, Juan Dale Robinson to a side that already has two receivers and I have three receivers on that side and you flood that side and you have your read on that side. You have that defender that you're reading. Those are just quick passing concepts, simple passing concepts. And it's the coaching that is setting Daniel Jones or putting Daniel Jones in a position to have success. And then now it's all just up to Daniel Jones to execute and Daniel Jones has never had a pocket like he has had over the last two games. I'm not going to include the first game, even though it wasn't as bad as many originally thought. The last two games, I think were the two best pockets they know Jones has ever had his entire career. Yeah, that may be true. I would have to think back to any other games. I think it's definitely in the mix. One of them coming against the Browns, which is really phenomenal and exceptional. And I had a point, but I want to make this point first and hope I can remember it. The one point somebody brought up to me as a listener today that thought was amazing, which was when I posted that video of Andrew Thomas and Miles Garrett and the reps he had against him. He's like, normally when we would have a game like this where Andrew Thomas got beat, it would be an epic disaster across the rest of the board for the offensive line. Instead, we had a game where the offensive line once again had a good game, which just shows you the cohesion factor and the progress and massive jump that this offensive line has made in a short period of time. Hopefully it continues against Michael Parsons and the Cowboys. Obviously, it's not over yet. We haven't gotten through it all, but that's crazy to me. But I want to make the point I was trying to make is I'm not going to knock Daniel Jones for having said, you know, for this offense being a lot of first read stuff and by design, because that's the same thing. We would credit for guys like Mike McDaniel, who designed that offense for the dolphins, which was a lot of the same play action, use motion, and then get the ball out to your read or to your first read. And a lot of these other great coordinators who we compliment all the time, that's part of NFL like make things easy for the quarterback. You don't need him going through full feet or read progressions every single play to find the best solution. You can sometimes find the best solution using motion and play design, which is what the Giants have done, and obviously having a player like Malik neighbors helps. And it is all by design, Nick, because the Giants, according to the numbers, have the most concentrated passing game in the entire NFL. Malik neighbors has the second most targets per out run of any wide receiver in the NFL, but one though Robinson has the seventh most targets per out run. So it's not just everything's to Malik. It's a two man game right now. They're starting to get these running backs involved, which is great. I love that. I think they're running back. It was a game plan thing too. It was probably a game plan, then you're right. But I hope Tracy's going to start to get involved. I should say I'm hopeful. This is a sign of them starting to get Tracy and Singletary involved. Because I just believe in that throwing to the running backs and using them as an extension of your running game and just quick, easy solutions, but it has been concentrated more than. No team has the second and seventh most targets per out run for two wide receivers in the NFL, not even guys like the dolphins and like some of these teams that obviously have like these one to receivers that are known in big names. So I think it's by design by table and great, make things easy for this quarterback for any quarterback. We don't need to overcomplicate this thing. Neighbors is on your team. Get him the football, right? Wanda Robinson is on your team. Get him the football and I didn't do a cut up yet of Wanda. But I thought Wanda was fantastic in this game, dude. I watch him every single snap. I feel like he gives the he does the best possible thing almost on every single snap that I watch him, whether it's after the catch, whether it's getting open in his route. And so this is kind of the plan for the Giants as of now, and I'm for it. It looked exciting in the first half here. Yeah, absolutely. You have to get Wanda Robinson involved. And there's quick little simple stick concepts gives Daniel Jones an easy safety blanket to hit if a defender is widened by the running back who is running to the flat. And that's kind of how football is. He just creates space through the combinations of eligible receivers that you're running out there and the Giants use that triangular attack that is so successful. And has been used all the way back since the Sid Gilman days if we're going to get all historical with our football, but we can even see if you want to get into play some plays now, Dan. Yeah, one more thing far we get into place that I wanted to say on that concept that you just brought up a quick note, a quick aside. I did even see one play. I just think this shows the evolution of Daniel Jones from a pocket presence standpoint where they ran slant flat. And it wasn't there initially as he expected it to be on the priest in that breed and he didn't panic. He didn't bail from the pocket. He resettled himself reset and found another solution. I think we're seeing a lot more examples of that generally speaking over the last two weeks, which to me is by far and away the biggest sign of progress for Jones and Jones meaning this whole passing game. So now let's get in some play breakdowns. Yeah, and I think Jones with his eyes in general that's that's really what we're seeing is him using his eyes proficiently and not being really altered by the pressure, which there was dialed up blitzes against Daniel Jones like Jim Schwartz got really aggressive against him. It wasn't just against the run with the quick fits and fills. But this is that third and 11 where Jones threw before the sticks. A lot of people were giving them crap for that. I understand you want to hold on to the football this pocket is clean. Maybe it was premature to throw the football. He just, I think, felt that he, that Malik neighbors had Theo Johnson in space. So get the football to your best player. And the Malik neighbors unfortunately goes down but I just like the release. This is a two by two set. You have Theo Johnson who is off the line of scrimmage meaning he's not attached and he's not in a three point stance. He's basically right next to Andrew Tom or Germino Luminor and he's going to release vertical but he's going to stem a little bit to the inside running directly at number nine, kind of creating a pick to allow Malik neighbors to run just underneath him from the outside. He was inside the numbers but still from the outside and just sit underneath the release of Theo Johnson now deliver that football it's Denzel Ward who makes a great play. He is the outside cornerback coming from the numbers driving through the outside part of Malik neighbors and he makes that tackle. But I don't know if the Giants or at least Daniel Jones thought that Denzel would be so quick to come downhill like this and maybe they were just trying to get Malik neighbors the football. This is early in the game. This was I believe Malik neighbors his first catch. Make that catch. Now you have Theo Johnson in that area and you could try to see if there would be a playmate or a play be made for Malik neighbors but it just wasn't. But on the other side of the field we had a switch release and one Dale Robinson's coming on that horizontal cross the field. I don't know if he would have been open if Jones actually sat there because there was six and nine as middle hook defenders but I wanted to kind of just highlight this because the release. The way Brian Deble is using other players on the Giants tight ends wide receivers whatever it is to create space for Malik neighbors is one of the reasons why Malik neighbors just isn't getting stopped there shut down like at this point and even before this every defensive coordinator is like okay we gotta stop number one we gotta stop Ray Flaherty right we gotta stop Malik neighbors. So how is it that Brian Deble scheming him open it's just simple stuff like this right you have 99 going Denzel wards outside leverage just run him inside underneath Theo Johnson is clearing out 9 and 12 and get him the football and it's just this is like a good view of what I'm talking about even though it wasn't successful and it didn't end up going for a first down the Giants ended up punting shortly this is against a cover three defense too. Yeah it's a great example of that and Deble has done a really good job like you said of designing ways to get neighbors the football despite every single person understanding that that's the objective of every single game plan. Yeah so here we're gonna get the Browns interception that is negated by the unnecessary roughness you're gonna get a cover to defense where 23 Martin Emerson who is at the bottom of your screen so he is the field corner back he's basically gonna abandon Wandel Robinson this is a first in 10 play and he's gonna drop to a D path and you're gonna get basically a Tampa two type of defense maybe you can call it cover three but you could see how Martin Emerson is gonna midpoint because number zero is coming in on that blitz now or the apex defender midpointing means 23 Martin Emerson is going to take the midpoint between Wandel Robinson and the number two receiver who is like six yards inside the number so that's a ton of space to cover and we've seen defensive coordinators do this to Daniel Jones in the past but one of the reasons why they're doing this is because they're bringing the pressure to bring the blitz is very early on in the game so the pressure comes Jones it takes Jones a little bit to notice it and he wants to throw the stick to Theo Johnson this is where I wanted to ask you is Theo Johnson just not running to where the football is or is this a bad throw by Daniel Jones because I'm willing to say like oh man Daniel Jones didn't see this safety driving down because if you look at this defense it looks like it might be like a cover three maybe middle of the field closed could be man could be covered one which we saw a lot of throughout this game but you could see how because that apex defender comes on the blitz and number two receiver is now getting 23 who's midpointing and that middle the field closed safety post now driving down I'm not sure if Jones even saw that so he throws it right through that guy. Yeah that's I think it's a combination of those two things I think it's a really good design by the Browns Jones doesn't have time to realize that that DB has vacated from Wandell Robinson so he's not even assuming Wandell could be open on this play right and then you have that safety buzzing down and that's kind of a very sneaky you can watch it right here it's pretty sneaky it's hard to determine and I don't think Jones had time to see it because he's just focused on the blitz here. I think his hot is that out route the Johnson now I don't understand why Johnson kind of runs it like a curl here because it seems like Jones is clearly throwing just an out or yeah what would that be just an immediate out intermediate out at route so like I am not sure obviously obviously but it does seem like he does a speed during their dio and rounds out his route again I can't tell you what his route actually was I don't know what that would be it's just a guess but to me it looks like this is on the intent to receiver not on the quarterback. This is where the conjecture comes in because we don't know what the lead is we don't know if the number two receiver who is over the top of the blitzing defender if he is supposed to do something different one Dell just stays on the line of scrimmage. He first looks to his right and I think he wants to go to Malik neighbors who's to his right but he sees that linebacker who was just outside of the hash to the boundary side he sees him flare out underneath Malik neighbors very quickly. And you can see how he's just like okay I can't do that this is a simulated pressure that goes into basically cover to and nobody is taking zero Jones has to realize that and throw hot off it but his first read was to neighbors understood it wasn't there he's still able to get this football off. And I don't know if Theo Johnson is supposed to understand to put himself between. Daniel or the football and fender or he thinks that defender is flowing even more so towards the numbers and he wants to sit in the voided space. That's where I'm not sure either way I'd be willing to give Theo Johnson the benefit of the doubt if I didn't see Theo Johnson just make like a lot of like weird mistakes. In this game I didn't cut it up where Miles Garrett was lined inside of Theo Johnson and then there was Andrew Thomas and Theo Johnson didn't even like act like Miles Garrett was there the ball was hiked and he just got in the way of Andrew Thomas. And it was just like really clunky and weird and they're just plays especially in week one where I'm just like what are you doing. And I understand that he's a rookie and this is a tough position to play as a rookie but you have some depth at the title position why is Theo Johnson playing over 80% of the snaps like to me I get he has the upside but he's clearly not ready. One of my main takeaways through three games is that Theo Johnson clearly is not ready for these snaps and he's making mistakes that are hurting the offense I'm just not certain if this one is one of those mistakes. 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Here you'll see a simulated pressure by the Browns, something that teams are going to do against the Giants often and against any team, the Giants themselves. The Giants would adjust to this later in the game. It was very interesting to see the Cat and Mouse game and how Brian Dable ended up getting the edge there. You have these wasted blockers. This is the same play that we were just going over with the Theo Johnson. Is it his fault or is it not? I want to go to the second in 16, quarter 1, 6, 39. This is the Wandel Robinson catch for 20 yards. This is directly after the Greg Van Rotten Holding penalty. It's a great play by Wandel Robinson because if you look at the defender who's over top of him, you have his own defense, he's to the inside. And Wandel is able to cross his face and Jones delivers a very good pass to Wandel Robinson upfield allowing Wandel Robinson to just catch it and go. And Wandel makes the guy miss and picks up 20 yards. On a second in 16, man, that's typically a drive killer. And one more thing I want to point out about this before I get your takes on this play, look at what the Giants are doing. They are, the center is opening up towards 72. They are allowing Andrew Thomas to handle Miles Garrett all by himself. And Miles Garrett wins. He wins with the inside spin. I'm not certain if Theo Johnson is supposed to help him with a chip. He did not. And Andrew Thomas ends up losing to the inside, but Jones does a really good job standing tall in the pocket showing poise and delivering this football and allowing the Giants catchment. A lot of plays on that first touchdown drive that might have been the difference maker in the Giants winning this football game early here in the first quarter, just because the Giants were in a lot of negative spots and they were able to overcome it. That's a great point. The Giants have been killed by that in the past. And I just want to highlight this play again. And as you run it back, it was in my breakdown as well. It's worth repeating. Like, there will be a throw we get to later in the game that I'll probably, you know, use it to top when we go over our best throws of the game. This is my second best throw of the game and second best play by Daniel Jones, the game for all the reasons you broke down, but also because, look, I've seen him bail from these pockets, plenty of times in the past. Here he understands that he can just sit in this pocket, feel comfortable that it's going to hold up for enough time for him to get the ball out. And that's it. Yes, take a big hit. Yeah. But that's fine. That's kind of what quarterbacking is, taking that big hit, standing tall. And this is something he did a lot more in his rookie season and just delivering the ball. But in addition to all that, he puts it with perfect ball placement on the upfield shoulder. Something we've said has struggled at times on this horizontal crossers does that checks that mark, but also puts it with velocity. This needs, he needs to really put pepper on this and rip it in. He did that with multiple throws in this game. Honestly, I felt like a lot of velocity. And part of that is because he has the footwork there. Look at his feet. I know he's taking a hit, but right as he throws it, but his feet are in a really good spot to drive this football. And that's exactly what he does. And so that's what really stood out to me for the most part in this game with Dan Jones. But back to your point, a few minutes ago on Theo. Look, I am confused a little bit as well. I know they want to let these rookies play. Nubin, Theo, Drew Phillips, obviously neighbors. But Daniel Bellinger is sitting on that bench and he finally played a few more snaps in this game, which made me happy. I'm trying to get it up right now. I just had it up. And then I was looking at the defensive snap counts. But Bellinger in this game got, let's see, 26 snaps, which for him is a lot more than he had been getting. And he did pretty damn good with those. He made an unbelievable diving catch to open up the second half. He was pretty good as a run blocker. I thought all things that we've seen in the past. But more importantly, it's the mental mistakes. It's the mental errors that we've seen from a rookie that we're probably not going to see from somebody like Daniel Bellinger in his third season. So it just surprised me a little bit that they haven't used him more. I hope this is a sign of things to come. I like Theo Johnson long term still. We discussed him as our favorite pick, essentially from value standpoint in that draft class. But he's a rookie, dude, playing what you said is probably the hardest position to pick up as a rookie, I would suggest. He doesn't want to look all that explosive or he doesn't look all that well confidently. He's not playing, you know, that's the biggest difference. Week neighbors is such a high football like you that he can play fast. Theo Johnson's not playing fast right now because he's not entirely sure what's going on. It feels like at least or it looks like at least. So get someone on the field who does know what's going on. Daniel Bellinger. So that's just my should be there. Yeah, I think that should be much more even snap share. I want to go to this first in 17 again, man. Look, it's first in 17. Not in a great spot. Quarter one, 531 left. And the Giants make Jim Schwartz and the Browns pay again for the pressure. You're going to see another blind side blitz watch. You could see the defender, that second level defender creeping creeping creeping and he comes unblocked. So the Giants have schemed up towards the boundary side. A three man route concept. Very simple. Look, how many guys are outs. How many defensive players Dan are to the boundary side right now on that side of the hash. It's three. And one of them is coming because he's a defensive lineman. The other one. Pulse. Other one is the end man on line of scrimmage. So the Giants just put that end man on the line of scrimmage in conflict, which simple concepts are going to clear out with Theo Johnson. Just create some space and you're going to just throw Tyrone Tracy out to the flat with Wanda Robinson sitting on the spot. Is that end man on the line of scrimmage going to be able to get outside the numbers and cover Tyrone Tracy. More than likely not. If he panics and he does try to get the Tyrone Tracy, Wanda Robinson is wide open on a quick little button hook spot route and the closest defender is about six yards off because he's gaining some depth due to Theo Johnson's route. This is a very simple three man route concept against a blind side blitz that Daniel Jones quickly diagnoses and he attacks by getting the football the Tyrone Tracy and Tracy ends up picking up about 12 yards to put the Giants into a much more manageable second and five situation. Yeah. And it's just another example here of Jones doing a much better job understanding the blitz and understanding the play and more importantly, you know, not panicking in that pocket. Keep staying true with his feet and getting the ball out to a spot that can maximize yards after the cats. This is the thing we've seen so many of these flat throws over the years. Ruin the play. This is an example of the opposite. This flat throw by Jones maximizes the play puts it in the spot that allows Tracy to not waste any time and waste any movement. And that's the type of stuff that excites me because I know it's it's routine. I understand that Nick and you said it best earlier. We expect this from quarterbacks around that NFL, but there's a quarterback shortage that's getting worse and worse in the NFL. I watch. We mean you watch a lot of games. A lot of the simple stuff is not even executed by the quarterbacks these days. You know, regardless of the more complex up weirdly enough though Nick and the Dalton might have been the best quarterback in football this past week. I mean, it's seven throws this past week that were unbelievable. Just whole shot after a whole shot after a whole shot. He threw a seam ball to Tommy tremble that I don't even see quarterbacks attempt for the most part like. But most quarterbacks aren't even doing routine stuff and Jones is now doing the routine stuff very well, at least in these last two games, one against a good defense. That's the type of stuff that should excite you. And again, look how the Browns get to this blind side blitz. This is different. It's not, I am covering the number two receiver. I'm going to bring that player and then I have to midpoint and bring my safety down and go into this inverted cover to like we saw earlier, right? Instead here, it's that weak side linebacker who just loops around. Now you have the blind side blitz. I have a free run right at Daniel Jones. I'm going to hit him. But what happens? Jones get that football out. So Schwartz is getting to different blind side pressures and blind side blitz is not was certainly a part of their game plan is they wanted to go at Daniel Jones. They wanted to create that aggressive blind side pressures to probably try to force fumbles and just sack Daniel Jones and rattle him like the Minnesota Vikings did. But the Giants had quick solutions like the one that you're seeing right now if you're watching YouTube. Put a defender in conflict and make him pay. Whichever decision he makes, he's going to be wrong. And that's a lot of what we saw in 2022 when the offense was working as well. Yeah, exactly. It's quick and easy. And I love this play. This is an underrated play from Jones too. Yes, so third and three quarter one four twenty six. You have a three by one set. Everything is inside the numbers. This is verse a cover six look from the defense. You got the quarter quarter half. You're going to have Theo Johnson go inside basically remove the middle hook defender. You're going to have Darius Layton, who's the outside receiver basically just run straight ahead and then sit at about eight yards on a curl a little bit less. And then you're going to have the Wanda Robinson, who is the inner most receiver the number three. He's going to run to the flat. So what is Daniel Jones reading here. You're going to have the zone defense. You're trying to remove that curl flat defender, get him to the flat to follow Wanda Robinson and then hit Darius Layton. Once that window opens, Daniel Jones is completely dialed into this and he throws the football, which is great too. Because you have two defenders, the quarter defenders who are able to converge on Darius Layton in this manner. Right. You see that both convergence. This needs to be well timed. This needs to be hit with rhythm and Daniel Jones is able to deliver that right as Darius Layton turns his numbers towards Jones. Because Wanda Robinson, you could try to put that on the outfield shoulder, but you have a quarter defender coming down. You have three yards to gain it. That's not a high probability success rate. So this was the play here. This was the read by Daniel Jones to find Darius Layton. If that defender cleared the window, which he did. So good play by the Giants offense. Nice design by Brian Dable. Yeah, great design, but you broke it down perfectly, dude. I mean, look, what makes this play work is the quarterback making the right read, which he does, and the timing of the throw. That's the key to it, the timing. And the timing here is really well done by Jones. And, you know, there's been times in the past where he struggled with timing and rhythm, and I feel like he's been, and a lot of this is short stuff. I'm not going to sit here and sugarcoat it. I'm not saying he's making all these high level complex throws, but being efficient like this in the short game can lead to efficient offense, especially when you combine that with red zone prowess and red zone efficiency, which we've seen from proud. So the terrible word to use there may no sense, but red zone efficiency, which we've seen from the Giants in the last two weeks. Thanks, kudos to Mike Davis and Daniel Jones who've done a great job in the red zone. Juan Dell as well with his release last week. So, I mean, that's just what it comes down to. Like, I'm accepting and I'm excited about moving the football, even just like this, because this hasn't, this is, we can't take this for granted. This was not guaranteed. We didn't do this at all last year, really. No, I know exactly. It was a miserable time to watch film. And also with the cover six, for those who don't know cover six is cover four to one side, and it's cover two to the other side. Nice. And if you look at Malik neighbors, he is the backside X on this play. He is the backside loan receiver to the three by one set. He has the cover to treatment. He's going to get locked up. It looks like it's Meg with whatever corner back that is. I think that might be Denzel Ward. I can't see the number. But then you have the safety clouding over the top, that deep path safety, as you can see. So that's the attention being paid towards Malik neighbors on that side run cover four on the cover six sides of three receiver side. And you find the opening strike. And that would be a first down. And here we're just seeing the end zone. I like how Schwartz man was mugging those a gaps. We saw Shane Bowen doing the same thing on the defense will break down here in a little bit for the show that's going to drop soon. But mugging the a gaps drop. And then you find that solution. I like how the Giants here. This is first and 10. You're going to motion the tight end. And you're going to run a boundary fake toss and get Daniel Jones rolling on a what looks like a bootleg. But the slide actually. So you see how they're trying to get Malik neighbors going. Look at that Browns defense right now, Dan. Everybody's reacting to the fake toss. And this is again, taking advantage of the aggressive nature of this Browns defense. You bring Malik neighbors under the slide. It's covered up well. And then Daniel Jones just has to run it for a couple yards. It didn't work out for the Giants, but you could see again the chest match between Brian Dable and Jim Schwartz and calling some of the plays a fake toss. You had a couple misdirections as well. Throughout the game, that one ends up being a win for Jim Schwartz. But I wanted to also go over this first and 10 to 12 left. This is the game. Well, this is the play that we broke down actually a little bit ago. This is right after the Malik neighbor snag quick paste Wanda Robinson on the hook. And you can see how Malik neighbors. He is that outside wide receiver. You have to the boundary side. Malik neighbors who's aligned at the bottom of the numbers. Wanda Robinson who's about a yard inside of the top of the numbers. And Malik neighbors is going to expand. He's going to run an out route, but he's just expanding towards the boundary. And that's going to drag those two defenders who are near the numbers away from one Dale Robinson. And it's just Jones read that. And you can also see others that middle hook defender who is within, I would say, arms length of one Dale Robinson. If you were to work his way in that direction. But Devin Singletary's release is another three man route concept mind you in quick game. Devin Singletary's release holds that defender in place and allows one Dale Robinson to catch this between hash and the numbers. And it's just how neighbors route and Singletary's route allowed one Dale Robinson to basically just run three yards off the line of scrimmage and sit catch quick, easy pass and want to Robinson so fast to get up field and nearly get a touchdown here. Yeah, I love this play. I broke it down earlier. It's a subtle great play by Daniel Jones. In my opinion, the foot works there. He uses base to drive the football and the ball placement is excellent again away from the coverage, but in between that other defender. It's a good stick throw. The timing was excellent in this game, at least in the first half from the passing game. Oh yeah, cover three defender, put the crow flat defender in conflict, put him in conflict, hold the middle hook. We get jack out of that too. That's the difference. Like that play goes for Snowyak a lot of the time, not just with the Giants, but with a lot of teams. This is a good sign of it too. And you can also see how Andrew Thomas is all by himself. That's not Miles Garrett on this one. Right? And you can see how six Jeremiah was who Cuomo just stands right in front of Devin Singletary. Wanda Robinson's wide open. Creek drive right there on that throw. Here's the first in 10 quarter two with 26 seconds left in the first half. It's just going to be a cover one. You're going to run a pick to Tyrone Tracy. And I think you're accurate in your assessment then that Tyrone Tracy Jr is going to start earning more and more snaps on plays like this. This is a design play to Tyrone Tracy Jr. They were wanted to get Jim Schwartz in man coverage now that they're in the red zone and watch Darius Layton's route. He's at the bottom of the numbers at the top of your screen. Darius Layton's route. What does he do? He goes inside. Oh, I'm just going to kind of sit here and I want to go up field now. He just gets in Jeremiah. To the point where you could say, oh, this might be a rub play because it's very obvious a rub play. It's very obvious that Darius Layton has no intention on running routes. His only job is to get in Jeremiah, who's who core mo is away. And if I was a Browns fan, I'd be like, you got to call that kind of do. But at the same time, he just runs up the field and Tyrone Tracy's wide open. There's a player, what? 60 yards from Tyrone Tracy when he makes this catch, not the best throw from Daniel Jones makes Tyrone Tracy jump a little bit, but still Tyrone Tracy recollects and ends up picking up like four or five yards on this to help set up the play where about to go over. And their timing will definitely improve, I think, as they go on. This was probably one of the few balls in this intermediate range where I felt a short range, I should say, where I felt like Jones's ball placement wasn't great. And let's take a look at the footwork. Footwork wasn't terrible. I think he just drove it a little too hard and it went a little too hot and high, but that'll improve as they throw together more often. And that's going to lead to some big plays. I'm really excited about the involvement of Tracy in this offense. I've been excited since they drafted him. I thought this was a good little preview, a little taste of what might come. Yes, and then I think it was a quarterback run of some sort and set up this first in goal. This is touchdown number two to Malik neighbors. I didn't put the first touchdown because that was just, it was a very good throw by, or it was a very good catch by Malik neighbors and Daniel Jones just put the throw where he needed to and it was just an acrobatic catch. But this play was wise by the New York Giants just in general because Daniel Jones hits this throwing window very well and uses his eyes to open this window to keep this window a jar. The Giants motion, Wandell Robinson to the two by two set to the boundary side. That brings over the safety. You can see how the safeties are going to rotate when once Wandell Robinson goes, he kicks over and that's going to create the one on one matchup with Malik neighbors and this safety because Wandell Robinson is going to go to the flat. So you're going to get that cornerback who's on the outside is going to push Malik neighbors now to the inside. That safety just opens his hips to Malik neighbors. So now it's on Daniel Jones to hold the linebacker who is at the, who is at the goal line right now, hold him in place to allow this throwing window to come open because the Giants have Theo Johnson's route coming right over the middle of the field. That's bringing a Browns defender into the throwing window. So the timing needs to be very crisp here from Daniel Jones and you'll see from the end zone angle angle how Daniel Jones holds Jeremiah, who's who core Mo there and delivers a very good pass to Malik neighbors on this dig for a touchdown. Now watch Daniel Jones's eyes and watch that step right there that step with the foot to Wandell Robinson side where that cornerback is. He steps with that foot. His eyes are still to that side. And what does that make Jeremiah who's who core Mo do Jeremiah who's core Mo starts flowing outward and then Jones flips his hips and just delivers right into the throwing window. That is a beautiful play by Daniel Jones and an acrobatic and amazing catch by Malik neighbors, man. For six. Love it. Yeah, and someone on my Twitter, I think said, or it might have been yours or mine Nick said it might have been a post I was tagged and not positive said they think this is one of the best plays slash throws of Jones's career. I don't know how hyperbolic that even is when you just consider the breakdown you just made man with all the little subtleties there, the eyes and that step to kind of drive the defender away. All knowing that he's going to come back to neighbors here and then the ability to drive it through that window like that with the pocket starting to close on you and collapse a little bit on you. Not really though I mean this can't damn good pass protection the Giants are just phenomenal these days in fast protection it's wild like even that which is not even their best play. Look pretty good, but man all the other things that he did on that it was really impressive. He's been really good in the red zone. I feel like this year there was another play I think it was the first touchdown throw if I'm not mistaken the one we didn't go over yet where I thought he did a great job of a subtle like he's in the pocket he's established his foundation for where to throw from Nick. And just one subtle this might have been another play though so don't so someone get correct me if I'm wrong they've watched the tape. There was just a subtle quick step back that Daniel Jones took before delivering the football and that space was necessary to create that it might have been the one that throw no it wasn't. I don't remember I think it was the first touchdown the neighbors, but it's just these little movements he's making these subtle movements he's making with from within the pocket that really stood out to me in these two game stretch. Yeah, now this was the first play of the second half you motion Malik neighbors confirm man coverage and you run play action misdirection play action open to the left fake the hand off to the right. Now roll Daniel Jones out Daniel Bellinger is wide open again the aggressive nature of the Browns defense watch another Browns defense all just penetrate and attack like it's going to be a run Daniel Bellinger is wide open on this play. And I also like the release because this is a double Y set. Well, it's a two tight end set to the boundary side from 12 personnel. And you could see Theo Johnson open up to make his block Daniel Bellinger goes inside of him acting as if he's going to throw a block on number nine. Number nine Grant Delta just runs directly in Daniel Bellinger wide open and this is a bad pass from Daniel Jones and ends up being completed the Giants kind of hurried up to get the snap off. And I think he caught it as well, but they just wanted to be sure. And look you can see Bellinger you never really see anybody wide open like that if you want to be aggressive against us we're going to have a counter punch. That's what Brian Dable saying we're going to have a counter punch we're going to make you pay and the Giants actually have an offensive line that is functional enough and dare I say competent and good enough to allow the Giants to actually get plays like this off. Yeah, at this point there's no way that nothing to say about trying something like outside of good revolt roll it back a little bit. Oh shoot unless you lost a roll back just a little bit. Roll roll roll tell you when to pause what I'd like to see here is keep going keep going a little bit pause and just a little even a little back I'd like to see Jones set like. Adjust on the fly understand that he can set and throw and get that ball out into space like toward the sideline way earlier in that because I think if he does. Like that could be a massive massive play but he's going to have to recognize this way earlier get the ball way earlier and then lead it into space in the sideline. That's the next evolution though right like right now he's doing good job winning from within the pocket. I'm happy to see that we haven't always take got that winning from outside the pocket that's the next step I think for this obviously winning down the field as well but winning from outside the pocket is another step we'd like to see from the passing absolutely man but those are all the plays that I had that I wanted to go over again I thought it was a well executed plan plan by Daniel Jones I well scripted plan by Brian Dable I think he did a good job for most of the game adjusting to what Jim Schwartz was attempting to do defensively and just making them pay for trying to get after Daniel Jones and it's not like they really had anything going on the ground like this entire game they had the 43 yard run and that I think brought their average like 3.5 yards per carry in without that it's like what did they really have. There was a lot of negative plays too but when you consider what they did it what this team did against Jacksonville last week you can't come away from this without just being incredibly impressed by what Brian Dable and the Giants offensive coaching staff scripted up. Yeah even getting one half of explosion on offense in one phase of the game the passing game because the run game was shut down shows you how impressive that actually is against the defense like this because they were forced to be one dimensional giants and they were able to be one dimension in the passing game here Nick and I want to bring up one stat before we move to our superlatives and I'm going to shout out Giants fan and Charlotte for these numbers. The Giants ran 57% 11 personnel little bit of an uptick I hope that continues to trend upward Nick because I'll tell you what there are some great stats out of 11 personnel Giants this season when running out of 11 personnel. They've had 31 rushes again shout out to giant fan and Charlotte really great Twitter follow probably one of the best out there just does a great job of digging through like the press conferences after the game and finding stuff so we'll talk a little bit about what we've been in that regard. We talked about what Miles Garrett said earlier in this podcast how they adjusted the second half but Giants running out of 11 personnel this year Nick 31 rush attempts 203 rushing yards and a 6.5 yards per carry average out of 11 personnel. This is not a shocker surprise to you or me or at least not to me and I know you agree with me on this. That's the you can run the best at 11 personnel spread the defense out don't have so many guys in the box. But something I'm keeping an eye on because the Giants are starting to use more 11 personnel with that said Nick that's the positive spin with that said despite using more 11 personnel and hopefully we'll see even more than 57%. Jalen Hyatt again 10 snaps in this game still isn't yet to record a reception guy we really liked in training camp we thought he showed some serious progress as a route runner in practices play strength. Doesn't appear to be a part of the Giants offense in 2024 at least not yet until maybe an injury happens. Any thoughts on what's gone down there or the 11 personnel stuff. Yeah, it makes sense so the 11 personnel stuff that long run was on an 11 personnel play. That's so cute. Now that was that was a crack toss play. So the Giants didn't run a lot of power gap or a lot of exotic rushing a rushing scheme against the Browns was a lot of zone read some duo. There was a lot of just I'm going to make that backside defender respect me and when they didn't and they didn't Daniel Jones kept it and ran and that was all well and good but the tight ends on the outside got called for the holding. Now Theo Johnson definitely held. I don't think like watching it on all 22 even pissed me off because Daniel Bellinger threw Grant Delpett to the ground and like Elbows like everything looked. At some point you got to say I guess you got to let go but like to me it's so difficult for for an offensive player and a tight end to gain the chest so effortlessly like Daniel Bellinger did there and just keep everything tight and kind of just dominate the goals like the Bellinger did to Grant Delpett so the fact that he got called is like oh god that's kind of I agree with you on that I don't love it once you're inside I think you should just be no hold I know you're supposed to let go but I kind of feel like you're supposed to finish the play. You're supposed to let go if you're if the defensive player in in my opinion if the defensive player is getting out of your frame. I think that's a great point yeah he wasn't Daniel Bellinger square to him that was like a to me that was a good play by Daniel Bellinger and he's going to get dinged for that stupid penalty. But either way that was an 11 personnel run. Now I do want to see a little bit more 11 personnel but it's all going to come down to me I think I like how the Giants have used the condensed formations out of 11 personnel. They don't use that many three by one sets they're much more of a two by two team when they are an 11 personnel but when they do go three by one I appreciate what they have done so far which we've broken down on these three podcasts so far. But I'll say this when it comes to. Jalen high and Darius late and Brian table broke it down into the game and I kind of agree with him. I do look Darius late and it's going to be matchup dependent you're going to have your deep shots to jail and hide it. Watching Darius Layton through the first three weeks I can't say Jalen high deserves more snaps at him because Darius. Darius Layton it's not just like the take the receiving aspect out of your mind. It's the blocking the guy dog out there dude he's like a good blocking wide receiver and I always knew he was a. An above average blocking wide receiver there are certain plays at the Giants have hit like you know for touchdowns 20 yard runs where Darius Layton throws this block that you don't really talk about afterwards but you go back like damn 86 really took out that safety. So to me it's who has to earn more snaps between those two I think it has to be slate. Sure but I think there's opportunities moving forward to maybe have not just not instead of slate but maybe instead of Wandao Robinson right because. I know I understand what you're saying I'm not saying overall I'm obviously not saying on a consistent basis I'm saying some opportunities five 10 snaps a game maybe because look there's a different dimension to me on the field when you move into the slot you have want and you have I'm sorry slate and and and hi on the outside or even if you're doing that from a condensed look. It's just a different level of player like hi and one dollar not the same player I think one of those a better football player I agree deserves a snap. Clearly the offense is running through him and neighbors he is the seventh most targets per route run of any receiver in the NFL Wandao Robinson. But there are opportunities I think to get those three on the field maybe even if it's only three to five snaps a game then Nick and I'll say this I don't like the idea of getting hi at the certain number of snaps when they're obvious that it's just going to be a deep shot. I agree any team that gets into that mode of like oh they bring on like any time I see a receiver bring on like those block a team bring on the blocking receivers just for a few snaps a game and then it's a run play every time I'm like this is just stupid this is literally easy for even the couch potato like me to figure out what's going to come. So I don't want the Giants to get to that point where hi it's on the field and we know it deep shots being dialed up. I agree with you I agree I can see I think you laid it out well Jalen Hyatt as the outside receiver with with neighbors as the number one. So it's like Wandao Robinson isn't really losing snaps because Wandao Robinson is your slot receiver and he's a plus slot receiver. So I like that I like that take maybe we'll see against against Dallas maybe I think is I think his role will expand as the season goes on too. I'm hoping Bellinger's role will expand because you have Chris Manhertz out there Manhertz is kind of that guy that you were just referencing where it's like he's out there it might be a run it's not always a run sometimes it's a play action pass right but it's not like Chris Manhertz running a running a ton of routes and Manhertz dude he's like he's everything I hope for like I was saying for years of Giants make a lot of kind of guy. So he had a pass blocking rep in this game where he was against Elijah or Isaiah Maguire who was like who was an edge rusher probably like 270 pounds or so. And he's just like staying in front of him keeping his hands in the inside mirroring him absorbing the power rush move and it's just you don't see tight ends do that. And then that crack toss play one of the reasons why it works so damn well was because who was the cracking player. It was freaking Chris Manhertz who just removed the dude and then Greg Van Rowan and John Michael Schmidt did the rest and Devin Singletary also shed like two players on that play. So overall man I'm impressed with the Giants offense there's still a lot to work on. They're going to have their work cut out for them against Dallas more so in a pass protection with Demarcus Lawrence and Michael Parsons. Oh yeah I am interested to see how they run the football against this team because I haven't locked the tape yet but from what I've seen just watching broadcast. They can't stop anything on defense right now. I saw a few breakdowns today just some brief stuff like people making fun of how the Cowboys tried to defend 22 personnel when the Ravens ran it from a schematic standpoint which I thought was interesting because Mike Zimmer is a great coach. But there may be some flaws right now and that defense as they come together the Cowboys have allowed over these first two weeks I think the most point either I think it was yards or points that they've allowed in like the last five, ten years I gotta find this stat because it's something it's something like that but they've really been terrible on the defensive side of the ball. Well think about it they went out and traded for Jordan Phillip so they probably had that sign yeah they probably knew that they had a massive lack of depth at the defense. So they bring up against like Dowdle and Elliott throughout your game. Yeah now now maybe they were just trying to round out the roster that's fair but when you see how they have performed and you're like oh crap they really actually need this guy they're relying on this and that's not a good sign at all for Dallas and hopefully the Giants who have been I would say a capable run blocking team even though they struggled a little bit against Cleveland. I think Giants could be able to move the football let's see though dare I say. And that's the thing because it's like we saw it obviously Mazji Smith was getting moved off the ball a lot not did not have a good game against Baltimore but Baltimore came into that game Nick with a lot of issues on the offensive line. There was a lot of discussions about how bad the Baltimore offensive line is for the first time like forever with Aussie Newsom and Dicasa they never let it get to that point but they're all sightler. And that injury Stanley's not the player used to be and they don't really invest that many premium picks recently taking guys like Zei Flowers instead you know getting skill guys which is fine. But and Kyle Hamilton good players but like they came to that game and they had a game plan and they executed it. I don't see any reason why the Giants who have been better on the offensive line can't execute a similar game plan. I'm hoping Jakob Johnson is a part of that game plan run 22 Adam like the first thing the Giants need to do in my opinion is stick to this duo run up front and try to really pound it to the Cowboys. Because the main reason I think this is not because I don't trust Daniel Jones because I think Jones has been trustworthy recently is because I want to keep the ball out of Dak Prescott's hands. I want every single play clock to bleed down to the four or five second mark against the Cowboys on Thursday night football when the Giants are in offense. No hurry up not a lot of it at least maybe in the two minute and just bleed that clock bleed it out. Dak Prescott 20 minutes total as few possessions as you can give him because I'm not sure the defense is going to have solutions like they add against the Sean Watson. We'll get to that later in the week. Yeah, yeah, we will definitely get to that later in the week but overall man good job by Brian Dable to bounce back especially after the disastrous start. It looked like it was we were destined for a no in three beginning. We should be doing one right now with such a different outlook based on the record. I'm still hopeful like it could all change if they beat Dallas because I look at it like this Nick before the year we said they needed to sweep against Washington to make the playoffs. But that was with the expectation they would lose a lot of these Dallas Philly games change the narrative beat Dallas at home on Thursday night football and everything really changes from that standpoint. So we thought to repeat the Browns on the road to be honest. So that's kind of a still stolen win as well for the Giants. People get it like that. Again Vikings were considered a easy game. They can't be anymore. The Vikings just beat the frickin Texans and 49ers in back to back weeks. Though again 49ers man Kyle Shanahan. I love him as a designer. It seems like these guys who are great play designers are just like awkward sometimes in my coaching standpoint like Kyle Shanahan blowing that game yesterday was one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen. There's no reason the 49ers still lost that game to lead they had against the team that has no offensive lineman yet left starting and is down their first two receivers like Matthew Stafford so good at quarterback that he made to to at well look awesome yesterday and Jordan Whittington and these UDF a's like I can't speak gloingly enough about Matthew Stafford. I think it's one of the five best quarterbacks in the NFL when you consider all the surrounding context and what he does on tape. But that's not what this podcast is about. This podcast about the Giants. So let's wrap up with the perletives and when we get to the grades for the offensive line. I want you to do a little bit of a breakdown of what you saw from this offensive line because I feel like some listeners said we haven't spent a lot of time on the old line we tried to mix it in and it's a long podcast. We try to, you know, condense it for some who have said they want that. So maybe we'll just spend a few a minute or two extra there but let's start with the unheralded player on tape for you. Yeah, Chris Mann hurts is the unheralded player on tape for me now he didn't play a ton of snaps that he played 38% of snaps played 27 but when he's out there dude he is throwing blocks he is able to be that duo tight end because again when you run duo you need a tight end who can hold up at the point of attack against an end man on the line of scrimmage. That's why you need a guy like Daniel Bellinger and you can't and it's a little bit of a tough one. I don't want to I don't want to like slight Darren Waller but it's not the best situation when Darren Waller's your number one tight end and you're trying to run that now I think Darren Waller was a better blocker than he probably gets credit for like universally people always just think of him as a receiver. I actually thought he wasn't okay blocker but a guy like Chris Manner's he's like a freaking offensive lineman out there. Yeah, it's just a different frame completely different frame. Yeah, 100% dude. So yeah, Chris Mann hurts is my unheralded player. Well I'm going to go with Tyrone Tracy. I think the first big play he made was that one that got the Giants out of a spot that's killed him in the past backed up by a penalty. It makes a good play there and then really his second opportunity as well I thought he made a good catch adjusting to a ball that was hot and high and turning into a positive gain. Even his run I thought was pretty interesting so at so I don't remember if you got a second carry but the one that I remember that he did a pretty good job on. And on heralded in this game made three plays that I thought were pretty pretty advantageous for the Giants and just little things that helped them win this football game so that's kind of where I'm at with that best throw you saw on tape. It was that second touchdown passed to Malik neighbors that was an elite throw and it's the subtleties of everything we broke down before that step how he sold that he was going to Wanda Robinson outside how that opened up jock and then created that throwing window that is a very advanced quarterbacking at that point and again lots of cleanup for Daniel Jones we've been very open about that on this podcast but got a credit where it's due and that was a really good play by Daniel Jones. And even the throw because it's a you know into space rather than at the receiver so that's something we've talked about a lot I'll throw that in that's the obvious one but my number two was the Wanda Robbins and throw we broke that one down earlier as well. Those are two of the best throws from this game let's so best player overall. Let's see. Yeah it's Malik neighbors obviously Malik neighbors but it is interesting because Andrew Thomas won this award from us on a basically consistent basis last year's by playing her. Way it is anymore though that's not the way it is. A slight on Andrew Thomas that's because the Giants got a real freaking football player baby at six overall Malik neighbors possibly the best rookie in the entire class man this kid is out of his mind. Good and we've been talking about this since the Giants selected I'm like oh we got that dude we said that almost every podcast for other listeners are sick of it or maybe it's music to their ears like oh we got that guy you know like Justin Jefferson you know like Jamar Chase all those other LSU receivers we got a guy like that and he's showing us this early in the season that he can be that guy and he can carry the offense and the Giants should be freaking two and one right now but they're not because the coach mismanaged everything the defense sucked in week two they should be watching they should be two and one and a big reason why they should be two and one Dan is Malik freaking neighbors. Yeah he would have been the reason for that win last week. We spoke globally about and we put a lot of stats out there. We talked about the football IQ how fast he's put to the offense the whole things designed around him he's doing everything in his power he's making acrobatic catches. It's more than just the acrobatic catches he's made Malik neighbors when facing press coverage 2024 has a 40% target per out run rate best in the NFL. A 23% first down per out run rate against press coverage best in the NFL. 4.47 yards per out run against press coverage best in the NFL and then fantasy wise 8.87 points per ppr points per out run on against press coverage. The guys who are up there with him are all of the best. He was in the NFL CD lamb Tyree kill Jalen wattle guys who beat press and guys who are considered some of the best in the NFL. You know somebody considered hyperbolic Nick but I really do believe he's going to be viewed as one of the I'm going to view him objectively as one of the five best receivers in the NFL by the end of the season. I don't really know why you wouldn't at this point. Even through the first three games I would make the case he's been the best receiver in the NFL through the first three games that doesn't mean he's now the best receiver in the NFL but it means he has been so far. Look at all of the numbers. Look at the context. Look at everything that goes into that. I don't know why he wouldn't be and I'll say this. We don't have to go too harp on this too much because it's not time for it. But I couldn't be any more confident in our evaluation that neighbors was the right pick at six overall over any of the quarterbacks were left on the board. We've taken some heat for that or I've taken some heat from that Nick. I know you don't get involved in Twitter streets that often in this regard which is smart of you. But I've taken a lot of heat for that take and I've stood by it and I just at this point I don't even know how anyone. Honestly at this point I would make the case that I'm debating if I would rather neighbors over Drake May and Jaden Daniels and I don't want to say it but even like Kayla Williams because he's that freaking good. Oh he's amazing. He's amazing. Player we expected to see more from. Yeah I actually put Jalen high but it's not his fault I just expected this would be a week where after you know it kind of felt like a squeaky wheel week for him like he would get they would try to get him involved but clearly that's not the case. Who do you got? I have Theo Johnson I know he's a rookie and you know I keep that in mind when I say this but if the coaching staff is trusting me to play over 80% of the snaps and there is not just the drop which is kind of on Daniel Jones it's not just was that his fault with the interception. He plays where it doesn't look like he knows the assignment or he doesn't know where exactly he has to be so I think it's I think he said it on the john schmelt podcast learning this offense is like drinking water out of a fire hose well it doesn't seem like he's fully turned down the the gauge quite yet because it seems like this offense might be a little bit much for him I'm hoping that he can he can he can learn this office get out there because I think there's a lot of potential there but there's no reason for him to be playing that with Daniel Bellender in my opinion at least fair pass blocking grade one through 10. I have any point for I felt like the pass blocking was fine I mean they've left Andrew Thomas on an island several times and Andrew Thomas didn't win the matchup but he didn't get completely embarrassed either and there were plays where he did win as well and the Giants were able to block up Dalvin Tomlinson in Zadarias Smith it's not like Daniel Jones had a lot of pressure in at his feet he had a lot of pockets to throw from and I felt like the Giants did a good job getting the football out of his hands but overall it was solid I have any point for yeah I have 8.5 again Andrew Thomas Lawson reps that brings it down maybe it should have been a little lower because that but the rest of the line look pretty damn good John Michael Schmitz I think is building on his impressive second season Runyon didn't impress me that much I will say that having loved it but he hasn't been awful to at the same time it's not like the same level of like when a guy is not having a great game as we used to have this Giants offense in line then one guy I want to point to is just your main aluminor man like god damn like having a right tackle like this who's solid like this every single game and so quick to get into a set so much more smooth getting into a set than what we're used to at that position there's a reason why it's not even a consideration to play Evan Neal right now now I personally would love to see the Giants cross train Neil at guard and maybe at some point putting him in at right guard because I really like to see him not that I hate Greg Ranroen it's been fine but like I would just love to see Neil in the run game again or at least using me I'm surprised they haven't used him as a jumbo yet you don't want to you don't want to see that asset wasted either now you don't use my jumbo either too often because the Giants actually have tight ends who can block too so sure and I'm both on the field occasionally they're like man hurts and Evan Neal just a really bad rock and rip and everyone play action shot the neighbors off of that you know or something like that after Neil it's crazy germano Luminor is playing like we thought Evan Neal would play like I know that's exactly right though we thought that would be Neil would be that super high floor pass protector just wasn't what he was at least in his small prayer but having Luminor do that is great all right run will wrap up here real quick run blocking grade one through ten I have a 3.9 look the Browns game plan was any time we think it's going to be a run we're going to aggressively fill the Giants weren't getting too much push at the point of attack either I didn't think but Devin Singletary made there was a 10 yard rush where the Giants pulled a couple guys and it felt felt like the Giants offensive lineman were just figuring it out there they were blocking up it and they were they were creating certain holes and I think Singletary small enough elusive enough smart enough has good enough feet to find those holes but overall the game plan of the Browns was to stop the run they were able to do that but in doing that the Giants made them pay several times by attacking that aggressive nature yeah at a 3.5 but I think you broke it down well this is part of who the Browns are I know I said that by the way of 3.9 3.9 3.9 3.5 for you I think this overall great breakdown by you is just what the Browns are like you saw it against Jackson or I saw it against Jacksonville this is not a team that wants to give it a run and Miles Garrett talked about that after the game he's like it's in our DNA to stop the run first despite us having these pass structures that you know we you know we talk about in our past so we'll see hopefully gets better it's a huge test for them against Dallas I'm excited I was very excited about doing this podcast and it was finally fun to watch this tape again and just fun to do this breakdown with you so good times are hopefully ahead I hope we can it'll be so I'll be so thankful if they can win this game against Dallas it's been so long since they beat Dak Prescott 2016 there's been so many of these just trash blowout losses against Dallas feel good to feel like we're back on track with a win against Dallas so we'll see what happens thank you to everybody tuning in have a great rest of your night and we'll talk to you soon [ Silence ]
