Amazing host of the sensational HQ Trivia app, Scott Rogowsky, joins Tom and co-host RJ Bee for a spirited discussion and then a Phish trivia quiz! Originally released in 2018.
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Actually, I want to thank Alex, whose show-brizz studios is actually hosting us today. So I didn't actually bring the Under the Scales Mobile Studio to New York. But anyway, we're here in the East Village and our guests today are Scott Rogowski. Hey Scott, hey there. And co-host is RJB. How are you RJ? - Hey, I'm great, good to see you guys. - And a quick reminder, under the scales, is a proud member of the Osiris Family of Podcasts. Go to OsirisPod.com to check out other music and culture podcasts. Now that we got that, Legalese Overwith. - Get stranded for a moment, if you will. - Stranded. - On the ocean of Osiris. - Is that not what this is all based on? The Osiris Network? - It totally is. - It has to be, right? - It really should have caught that. - I mean, it should have caught that part. - I'm a trivia guy. - So, I mean, if you have to rhyme something with papyrus, what else do you have? You know, there's not much. - Virus, recursive virus there. - That's in there, that's in there. - They did that. - Gyrus. (laughing) - So, anyway, Scott, of course, is the famous host of HQ Trivia. It's an app that's taken the world by storm. And literally by storm, right, Scott? - It started as a category for, mate landfall as a category for, and now it's more of a tropical depression. Sort of simmering off the coast of a papyrus. But moving up, moving up slowly, it'll be probably a strong breeze. - Leaving destruction in its wake or hopefully happy smiles. - Happiness, yeah. - Yeah, there's this money. It's a money cyclone. It's incredible. - It's like the opposite of the storms that we've been having. - I know, cash cane. It's a cash cane. - A cash cow, I think, is the car. - It's a cash cow for the founders, yeah. - So that was gonna be one of my questions. Are you a founder? Did you create this? Did you invent it? Did you code it in your closet? - HQ Trivia, do you wanna give a brief? Just to show you, give a brief synopsis of what it is before I explain. Get down to the nitty gritty, as I say. HQ Trivia is something I did not found. It was founded by the two guys who started Vine, the six-second video app. But it is the thing. I was the original host. I started hosting it in June 2017, July 2017. It's a live Trivia app. You're playing your phone. Answer questions to win cash. And we've been going strong for over a year now. So I was, you know, I'm a de facto founder of this HQ thing, I guess. Just 'cause I was one of the first eight people in the office there, and the guy who hosted it, but no, I don't have the equity stake, unfortunately. - I hope you have a little stake. (all laughing) - I got like, it's like a slice of a baloney. There's a stake. - Cut Scottie in. So you now are joined by at least, I think I've seen two other co-hosts on there, not co-host, but other potential hosts when you're taking a day off. - Yeah, there's a small stable of guest backup hosts, I guess other hosts. Matt Richards is great, and Sharon Carpenter, who hosts the UK show, who sometimes fills in on US. She hasn't done it in a while, but she's busy with the UK edition. - Nice. - We've got a nice, we've sort of found our footing there, but yeah, it's been a wild ride, as Mike said, at Coventry, which I'll never forget, it's been a wild ride. That's what we had to say. - There wasn't much else to say. - No, I know, I know. - Fortunately. - Let's hope that HQ trivia ends better than Coventry. - Oh boy, I hope so. But look, I mean if there's an HQ 3.0, let's hope it's as good as Fisher's 4.0, because- - Wow. - I know, they're back, right? - They're back, baby. - They're back and they've been back since 2009. Thank goodness, right? If that was the end, that would have been kind of sad. But yeah, let's hope for HQ 2.0 and a 3.0. - There you go. - As successful as fish, that would be awesome. HQ, for those of you who don't know, good check it out on the App Store, I'm sure it's available on Google too. It's an amazing app and Scott- - Free app. You downloaded free. - And Scott's talking to you live, and he puts in tons and tons of jokes, and he weaves in kind of like Katie Turb. I mean, he's faster than Katie Turb. - Well, to be fair to Katie Turb, she works, you know, she's wonderful, and she was the originator. But, you know, she works for a major news organization. She doesn't have the leeway that I have. - Well set. - To just really go full bore with the fish references. I mean, that's the thing, they didn't give me a script. They don't give me a manual. When I started this thing, it was just, here's the camera, you turn it on and start talking, and be entertaining. And I tried my best to just fill time with every, you know, stray thought and every nook and cranny in my brain, which is mostly Simpson's lines and fish songs, lyrics, so. - And you do know the lyrics. Well, it may be better than I do. - I mean, you wrote them. Dah, this is crazy being in the room with the guy who wrote this stuff. You know, I say you're the Robert Hunter. Did you ever see it? - Well, thank you. I mean, yeah, I get that now and then, I always sort of feel like, you know, apt comparison in some ways, but in many ways, completely not. - Hansomer, definitely better looking. - Oh, well, thank you. - And a better voice. - Oh, him, you met. - No, no. I don't think Robert Hunter fronted amphibian. - A good point, good point. He does have his own band, or he does. Yeah, I think. He plays guitar by himself. - Yeah, but see, he was inspired by like, hobo's and box cars. You're inspired by asshole bosses at your old SAT job. - Oh, ETS, that is, yeah. So ETS, the people who brought you the SAT and the financial aid forum and the GRE and the LSAT and the MCAT. - All your favorite things. - Yeah, all your favorite things was once headed up by Ernie Anastasia Jr. That's Trey's dad. Yep, so he was my boss's boss. And Buffalo Bill, that song that I think you were referring to there, Scott, was actually about my immediate boss, who was sort of, unfortunately, he's no longer with us. So I'm not gonna speak ill of the dead, but he was basically a gentleman. He absolutely was a gentleman, and I believe he might've had some British military in his blood, and he was sort of a tough whip cracker, so to speak. And I just had an unfortunate brush with him that became a song. - There you go. See, have you shared that before in the pod? - I have, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I feel I've told someone that, and I don't remember if there was a microphone in there. - Microphone in front of me. - These days, it's like, when is there not a microphone in front of your face? You have to talk to your friends with you. - With you, it's camera, right? So you don't... - Camera a mic. - Yeah. - That lights camera act. - So you have to look your best. - I do. Which is, you know, my hair and makeup person's stylish. She does the Lord's work. She deserves a presidential medal of freedom. What she's done with my face. - And then now, and then you have, you know, Robert De Niro stopping by to say hello. - Robert De Niro, John Mayer. - Yeah. We had, who did we have recently? Kevin Hart, The Rock. We've had some nice guests. - Very amazing. - Yeah. We've got Ellie Kemper coming from the office, Aaron from the office on our Thursday show. - Well, now that you've sort of broken in, your guest roster, now maybe you could have RJB. - Yeah, yeah. - I think so. - It's gonna take a little while. We need to do negotiations and contracts. - I mean, this is RJB from the couch report. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - What else could you ask for? - Yeah, yeah. - So, Scott, you, like all comedians, got your start at with a political science degree. - Mm-hmm. - And straight into comedy. - Yeah. - Have you always been into comedy? Like when you were growing up, it is something that you came to later. How did you come to it? - It's funny 'cause I've been thinking about this lately. I truly never outwardly expressed, well, even inwardly, I never had ambitions to be a comedian. Like, I'm just gonna, you know, that's the honest truth. I growing up, I just didn't think of it. It was almost like, you know, it was inconceivable that you could-- - Inconceivable. - You know, that you could see it, that you can be that. - I don't think you know what that word means. (laughing) - Ask Wallace Sean. But I grew up watching a lot of comedy, listening to a lot of album, you know, my dad had the Alan Sherman records, weird, Alan Young, he had a huge inspiration. Adam Sandler's album, "What The Hell Happened To Me?" I mean, his albums were so influential. The Simpsons, you know, just surrounded by comedy, reading the onion later on, getting into that, and just watching all the stand-up on Comedy Central. - Did they pluck you out of the comedy world? The HQ guys? - Well, yeah, yeah, I auditioned for it. - Oh, I know. - You know, I just, actually, the real connection there is the onion, which I later, as I, after I graduated college, I got an internship with the onion. I met this guy named Nick Gallo, who, 10 years later, was working for the guys who started HQ, and, you know, they were looking for a host, and they called me up and said, "Hey, do you wanna," audition for this thing? It's a nice-- - Live app show! I was like, "Okay, really?" I was about to move to LA, which has been reported, and I was all set to move. I gave my apartment up in Brooklyn, and I got this audition. - Thank God we stopped you from moving down. - Oh my gosh, I really believe it. I still wanna move to LA. - The brain drain to LA. - Come on, it's a thing. - You could be bi-coastal, bi-continental. So anyway, I went into this audition, not thinking much of it, and got it, and stuck around, and here I am over a year later, still in New York, but to get back to being a kid, and, you know, was this something I always imagined? I mean, thinking back on it now, I guess I was different. Like I was a different kid from the other kids, and I think all comedians sort of identify with that, and it's almost, you know, when you hear stories that people coming out is being gay, like they'll say, you know, yeah, when I was younger, I just gravitated towards the kendal, versus the bar, you know, whatever, whatever those moments are, or I watched something, and I fell in love with, you know, Jason Patrick, or something, I don't know, watching The Lost Boys, but for me, it was like-- - For example, for example, to get very specific about me, personally. I'm also coming out on this podcast. I'm a comedian, and I'm a gay man, no. Jason Patrick, yeah, anyway, why am I going to get Jason Patrick out of my head? That earring, that earring. So let's get to it. (laughing) - For me, it was like the movie Airplane. When I saw Airplane at eight years old, and when that shit hit the fan, when it literally hit the fan, - Yes, that was tremendous. - I had some like intimate relationship with that scene. Like I just, it just convulsed me in ways that I never like laughed harder in my life, and I just opened up a whole new world to me. Like this is comedy, that kind of side gag, you know, could exist in a movie. Like it completely broke me open, and similarly, I mean, this is a joke, but like I knew I was a comedian when I would steal my dad's playboys and go straight to the party jokes. (laughing) Like I read Playboy for the party jokes. Like that's, that's when you know. But you know, but there is something different. Like I was drawing funny things. I was making little videos, you know, obviously well before YouTube and the internet, on my little camcorder, making like little sketch videos around the house, and just not because someone was telling me to, just completely unprompted, was coming from within me somewhere. - Were you rescued from political science and never really had to do real work, and immediately went into comedy? - Yeah, I never used my degree. - Oh, okay. - You know, I guess I have those alumni to lose. - I think politicians are good talkers, and you're a good talker. So you could always go back to it if you wanted to. - The politics, yeah, the politics is also kind of innate. I mean, my dad was a politician for about 14 years, locally. - Same last name. - Same last name, we still have a lot of signs that could go up on lawns any moment I wanna run. (laughing) Re-elect Rogowski. So he ran for, and won for the county legislator in Westchester County. He also ran for Congress and state assembly unsuccessfully, but county legislator for a good 10 years. And, you know, I sort of followed his footsteps in a way like, I thought, okay, I almost went to his college, University of Rochester, I decided to break there, but he was a poli-sci major. He went to law school, I figured that's exactly what I would do. And I ended up not doing those things. I mean, I got the poli-sci degree, but graduated and went straight to New York to do comedy. 'Cause in sophomore year, that's when I did my first stand-up comedy class, and that's what got me on stage. I mean, the proto-comedy came from me being the student body president. So there's politics, again, in high school, I was student body president, got elected fair and square, no collusion, no interference. And I got elected, I was like zero political experience in school, never did governing council, never did JSA model, you know, all the stuff that all these, you know, career politician high school kids do, I didn't do, but I still won on the basis of my funny speeches, and I would give these assemblies where I'd just make jokes all the time. - Oh, that's awesome. - So that was sort of, you know, my proto-stander for sort of doing audience jokes in front of audience. - I guess so. Which is funny, 'cause I've always, I was always like a shy kid too. You know, I think a lot of comedians are, and the kind of, the ones that manage to break through that, you know, shyness are the ones that kind of do well. But like when you learn, like the inside life of like Robin Williams, tremendously shy and troubled person, I don't think you're either of those. - I'm headed down that track, too. - Yeah. - That's what you have to look forward to. - You know, you know, it's great. You know, it's funny, you bring up problems. It's obviously genius and incredible talent. You know, one of my heroes too was a kid. My dad would always tell me, as I was doing comedy, and I would just be joking around all the time. And he would get on my case for not being serious enough. You know, he'd be like, "You gotta be like Robin Williams. "You gotta know when to turn it off." - Really? I don't think-- - This is what this guy just didn't know how to turn it off. - Right, exactly, but that would say, he's like, "You know, Robin Williams, "you know, he's successful." He said, "Yeah, I'm like, Robin Williams." So you want me to leave my wife or my babysitter, and then like go crazy with cocaine, and then okay, okay, good. - Thanks dad. - Thanks dad. - Good bet. (laughing) - Robin Williams, maybe not the guy you hold up as like, you know-- - Probably not. - The role model, the liberal life, but-- - As far as comedy goes, for sure. - Yes. - But maybe not otherwise. - Yeah, so one follow up Scott. So you're, some of your breakout like comedy that got you recognized was video, right? - Yes. - So you had done video, do you feel like, did you have you always felt more drawn to that? 'Cause it's sort of different, right, than standing up in front of a crowd. - Yeah. - It's more storytelling, and I guess trying to craft your own narrative, but without that feedback and reaction from crowds, is that different to you, or is it all just part of the same kind of skill set? - Yeah, no, it's definitely different, you know, being on stage in front of an audience, like I did my running late talk show, which we just did in LA last month, and it was so fun, you know. When it's clicking and when the guests are great, and there's an audience full of people laughing, like there's no better feeling in the world when you're doing a podcast, you know, that could also be fun, you know, when Raja is laughing, I mean, he laughs for a thousand people. - Right, there's no audience, exactly. - Yeah, and when like a dead room. - Exactly, and when you're doing HQ, there's really no, not even the co-host laughing or anything, it's just me talking to him. - No laugh track, never laugh track. - Never any kind of, you know. - Feedback, temptation to have anything like that. - And no heckling, which is nice. - But a studio audience ever consider? - I thought about it, I kind of pitch it to a little, you know, early on, like maybe even more like, a talk soup type of audience, where just a few producers just start laughing, just to give someone a play off of it. - Possibly. - They've never, you know, they want to maintain this mystery, this air of mystique around HQ. Where are we taping it, you know? - Cyrus, sorry, Cyrus has a comedy podcast now called Amiga's with Mike Fanoia. - And he's approached me about doing it. - Oh, okay, so I got to do Tom's first. - Thank you, oh well thank you, I appreciate that. But he sort of was the, is in the comedy seller group. Did you come from that part of New York comedy? - No, no, no, no, I'm sort of an outsider, you know, which is another way of saying I'm not very good. (laughing) All these people are like, I don't need the UCB system, I don't need the seller, it's like, no, the seller's the best, like I have never tried to get past there, I don't know if I could. - All the times, yeah, so many people came through there. - Of course, but there's other places in there. - Yeah, I mean, there are a lot of independent, like, you know, just indie shows that pop up, cool back rooms and bars all over the city. It used to be downtown, it used to, you know, when I started out, it sounded like an old man now, but this was, you know, not that long ago, 2006, 2007, there was a place called Riffy on 11th Street, which was the ground zero for, you know, alt comedy in New York. And of course, that place closed and because of the high rents, and I mean, it became a Buffalo exchange or something, and like, every cool hip spot downtown, Mo Pickens with another place, you know, the bar two A's to have shows. They all kind of migrated further out east into Brooklyn, and that brought the scene with them, but that's sort of where I cut my teeth and that scene. And then I started doing my talk show early on, got into the clubs that way, but never, you know, never auditioned at a club. You know, so I've done my show at Caroline's, at Gotham, yeah, at the old comics before that close, but never went like the official route. You know, UCB, I performed at UCB, but I never took a UCB class. - Got 'em. - Because I had my show get me in there, which is a good lesson if you wanted, you know, you don't have to necessarily go through those proper channels. You can sometimes start something on the outside, get it to a point where it's good enough, and then, you know, bring it to the OSIRIS network, perhaps. - Absolutely, we're always looking for new talent. So, speaking of, well, let's get it back to fish a little bit. It's a fish podcast. - Sure. Well, I forgot. (laughs) - And, you know, fish and the word comedy sometimes go hand in hand. There's some, you know, secret language. There's the antics that they do. There's, I've been told, unusual lyrics, although I can't come up with any, you know, on the spot. - Now, all those are written by other people. (laughs) - They do, you know, there's a vacuum cleaner player in the band. - I think the drummer wears a dress, is that true? The drummer wears a some kind of dress. - He might, I wouldn't call that a dress. If you put that on a woman, it would be something else. It wouldn't be a dress, I don't know what that is. But, is that why Fish kind of was attractive to you? Was it the comedy, was it the music, was it the live show, or like, how did you get into fish? - Yeah, I mean, it's funny. Like, you don't hear about a lot of comedians being into fish. - Right. - Which, Steven Wright. - Izzy? - Yeah, I met him at Backstage at Fish. And he is like my comedian. He's like my favorite comedian. - Oh my God, I didn't know that Steven was having a fish, man, that's incredible. - Mike introduced me to him in Chicago backstage. - No way. - Yeah, well, that's good to hear, but you think like more, I mean, like, you know, emo-philip's are like weird out, or like, some of these kind of like, you know, out there comedians would be into, I don't know, maybe weird out is a fish, man. I have no idea. I should have asked him when I spoke to him. Maybe you should get him on the phone. - Yeah, maybe you should ask him. - Yeah. - He's next. - Actually, he's already scheduled. - I had him on the show in LA when I did running late out there. But, Fish came to me like so many Jewish kids from Westchester at summer camp. You know, that's really where I first heard fish. Camp Baco up in the Adirondacks. I mean, the camp was just run by fish heads and little feet fans and dead heads and just like, you know, all that stuff. I mean, all the counselors had just giant CD books with all this stuff. That's where I got into really all the good music. You know, classic rock, Zeppelin, Hendrickson, the band. I mean, you know, I was 10, 11 years old and I didn't have an older brother. My parents don't listen to music. - My mom forced me to a camp in the Adirondacks. I forget the name of it. Camp Mason and the music at the time was Meatloaf. That was all that they were playing. - That's all they listened to. - That was completely, it was that album bad out of it. - I mean, like there was still Oasis. You know, Oasis was the Meatloaf when I was in camp. But the older counselors, like it was just a thing that got passed down from, I guess, their counselors and their counselors and, you know, and all started. - I like the thought of it. There's something like organic and Vermonty, kind of about fish, right? - Yes. - And I guess, you know, you're supposed to, if you're an outdoorsy person, you're supposed to listen to fish. - Sure. - And I think people of our general age group, I mean, there's thousands and thousands of people who followed that same route, right? - Yeah. - The camp counselors who passed on fish, who are dead to people, and then they passed on other, it has to be responsible for thousands and thousands of people's fish experience. - Oh my God, like the whole summer camp industry, the fish summer camp industrial complex needs to be looked into. - You're gonna tap into that somehow. - Yeah. - But, no, Tom, you should do a tour. What you can do is tour the summer camps during the summer, I'm serious. You guys can do this thing and like, you'll be feted at every little mountain town. - Well, unlike you, I don't seek the limelight. That's why, you know, I got a face for podcasting. - What are you talking about? You have a shirt for podcasting. (laughing) - That's true. That's sort of a miserable shirt. - But, I gotta give credit to all that. I mean, hoist was like the album, I guess, that had just come out, or, you know, Billy Breeze came out a little bit later, but like, I just remember that hoist booklet, just like looking at it, and then scaring it, front to back, the old-timey, you know, vaudevillian, like. - Yeah, there's like 40s photos or 30s photos. - Yeah, those shoots. - Amazing, that was great. - I mean, I just read in the liner notes, and like, just getting into it, and then the Avinamal, okay? You know, like, the Hebrew at the end of that album. - Yeah. - That they're doing, like-- - There's a lot of tribe-friendly aspects of fish as well. - Yeah, so that's the thing, like, the Jewish connection, too, 'cause, I mean, this wasn't a Jewish summer camp, but it was predominantly populated by Jewish kids. - That's what happened to me at Camp Mason. - There you go. - I was the only non-revisioned-- - Yes, yep, I came back from it circumcised. (laughing) - There you go. - There's a song. There's a song in adult circumcision somewhere. - Oh, geez. - But hey, I'm curious, like, if I can ask you a question. - All right. - I mean, I know Mike and John are Jewish, so is that where, like, growing up, so were you in Shrei, Everest, you know, did you know Jewish kids in your high school or anything? Like, was there any kind of-- - I didn't really know the difference, you know? It didn't sort of, it never really came up that much. I was kind of pretty much in a non-religious environment. - I just can't imagine another band, like, playing a venue volcano. You know what I mean? - Yeah. - The fact that, I guess, was that just John and Mike just convincing them, like, hey, we should do this? - Quite possibly. I mean, it's something that's like, if it's, like, ingrained as a tradition into you, you know, and it can come out in a humorous, but also a respectful way, it's perfect, right? 'Cause it's gonna resonate with people. - I've always thought about just, you know, going, being in Hebrew school and going to service all these years. So when I was a kid, like, man, let's remix these songs. Like, the melodies are really nice, but you put a little beat to it or something. (laughing) You could have an album, like, a series of rock out, you know? - You're on the roof, kind of thing. - Yeah, a rock. - That's what actually Fish is doing for Halloween. Fiddler on the roof. - Fiddler on the roof. - Yeah, they just could, yeah, this could really-- - Honestly, that could turn out to be amazing if that's what ends up happening. At the end of playing classic Hebrew songs. - If they just covered, like, like a Parsha, like a Torah portion. (laughing) - I think this podcast is coming out when people are gonna be in Vegas or on their way to Vegas on the 29th, so. - Wow. - I just gave it away, I'm sorry. - Wow, uh-oh, sunrise, sunset. - So, Scott, we caught you between meetings. You're a busy guy, running around New York City, and you were very kind and took us up on our challenge, and that was, give me an RJ, a mini HQ, kind of quiz-like fish experience. - Yes. - Or should I say a fish-like HQ experience? - A fishy, trippy experience. (upbeat music) - Hello, just taking a quick break from the action before Scott gives me and RJ a musical fish trivia quiz. 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(upbeat music) - Well, you know, this is kind of a little bit of a redemption because I was a fortune, unfortunately, for all of us, curveball, of course, never came to pass, but I was supposed to be up there doing trivia for the festival goers. - Is that right? - That was supposed to be on the docket, and-- - So these are some of those questions? - So yeah, perhaps I have some of those questions here that I would have been quizzing with all the fans up in-- - If I may, could we do something where we give the audience like 10 seconds to answer similar to-- - Tweet your answer? - Similar to what-- No, not necessarily, tweet it, but-- - Think about it. - Keep your score, tell us what you get out of 10 and tweet it to, what was the hashtag you had come up with? It was a good one, Scott. - Uh, what was it, stump the scales? - Stump the scales. - Stump the scales, or hashtag stump the scales. - I like that. - Hashtags stump the scales, so tell us your honest score. Right now, our lawyer, you know who I'm talking about, or Jack, when he hears us, he's going to absolutely cringe. Apparently, every single thing we've done where we address the public with any kind of challenge, we've done it wrong. - Uh oh. - Yeah. - Well, I can say this without any legal advice behind me. I'll give you an HQ sticker. I'll send you an HQ stickers if you get the highest score. - Okay, perfect. - So tweet at me too. - There it is. - And that's Scott. - Stump the scales. - Stump the scales, are we gonna do this? - All right, we're gonna do this. So we're gonna give the audience 10 seconds, and then RJ and I are gonna take our best attempt at answering it. - Okay, now the first few are song-specific, lyrics-specific, okay? And then we get into more of the, you know, some more number-based trivia, all right? - Okay. - What do you say we, well, I don't know, I think I've got the time if you got the inclinations, so cheer up, H.C.U.D.s. It's time to get that to the Diddy Diddy. - You know, Quizy Maguire. - Here comes Quizy Maguire, poster nut bag, Quizman the family berserker, Quiz the Eskimo. - Marco Esquindolus. Some of the, see, this is what you're missing out on when you don't play H.C.U. I drop all these over the heads of everybody. - It's amazing, and it's so fast, and it flies at you so fast you couldn't possibly remember them all. - And people, like a lot of people are thinking, - Are your writers fish fans? Do your writers, like, there's like writers? - Writers, yeah. - And like, if there were writers, they were feeding this into some kind of script, they think I'd just read it with such glee, and a blue- - Just how Scott talks you guys. - And I'd be so enthusiastically talking about game hinge, like, what the hell are these people thinking? Those are the strangest people on Twitter who, hey, are you a fish fan by any chance? - Nope, not so much. - Yeah, I mean, oh God. I don't know if you realized it, but you made a fish reference. - Tell you to realize, ah, Jesus, like, get a live people, but follow me on Twitter. - And play H.C.U. - And play H.C.U. Okay, here it is. - Cumero, numero, uno. In Rogue, what kind of music descends from overhead? Happy, shiny, or funky? - Wow. - I'm gonna give it multiple choice, like H.C.U., this is how H.C.U. works. Think about that. Rogue. - Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh. - Yeah. - Oh man, because it's like the circus, you know? - Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh. - So there is a certain type of music that descends. - I like the shiny music that descends from overhead. - It was very shiny in Hampton. - Wow. - Yeah, we're there. - Shiny version, yeah. - Oh my gosh, great. 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Because as you'll hear, sometimes the story is the best song. Shiny music, now did you write that later? I did. And what explains shiny music? Oh boy. Versus funky music or happy music. What is shiny music? I mean, I think we all sort of know what it means innately. Every now and then at a fish show, the music's shiny. And I think I was thinking of the show experience. Like lights. Circus lights, yeah, exactly. Yep, something along those lines. Shiny happy people. Yes. Or Zareem, every influence there. A little. I mean, I went to a couple of shows, so quite possibly, y'all go. All right, we're gonna stick with the lyrical theme here. In Sparkle, who do you get in a car with? Lil, Ed, or Jill? No, no, okay. It was supposed to wait 10 seconds. 10 seconds. But I was gonna say. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Like instead of the jeopardy music, we're gonna have like just little fish drops. Apologize to loosen milk. Covers within, they'll drive with Jill. Your friends can find you in their worlds. One by one, a string of pearls. Could be used to say, "This isn't me." You hover in the unity. The change you slowly lose your grasp. Release the links or do the class. ♪ The skin that drips down ♪ So Lil is in there, right? Lil and Jill are all in there. But the one you get in a car with is a drive with. A drive with, right. A drive with Jill. It's Jill. You apologize to loose and Lil. Converse with Ed and drive with Jill. Wow. Your friends can find you in their worlds, you know? They do. One by one. Kinda like a string of pearls a little bit. You've told the Sparkle story before on the podcast, I think. I think I have. I was going to say a string of anal beads. I thought that was, I thought that's where you would go with that lyric, Tom. I don't think I want to tell the story now, juxtaposed with what Scott just said. That's fair. Okay. All right, sorry for ruining that. I've always wanted to do a, well, more of a triple X fish. Oh geez. Like, you know, "Pornify fish." I actually was having this conversation after "The Merry Weather Show" with some of the guys from pigeons playing ping pong over there. We were walking out and, you know, there's come like an antelope. Where are we talking about this, Tim? Not me, no, no, no, but there is the thing that exists. Like in the, in the fish lexicon from way back, I think, you know, it's been proposed. A girl begins to masturbate. Fuego. Wow. You know? Yeah. There's a lot. There's a lot of them. And so, you know, every now and then, when Trey and I get together, a joke song will, you know, will spin off and it's like way too dirty for it to become a thing. See, we got to hear these. These can be heard. These need to be released. We know, you know, we have a bunch of them. Fish after dark. And at one point, Trey and I, and this is like 15 years ago now, proposed the idea of having an album called "Horrible Songs About Fucking." That's great. [LAUGHTER] That's great. I think I just removed my explicit lyric. I mean, I have to map it. Yep, it has to be there. Yeah, stool sample in a jar. [LAUGHTER] That's the sample they're talking about, right? Different kind of porn, I think. You wrote that after a colonoscopy? Oh, yeah. OK. See, this is where my brain wants to go at all times. I try to hone it in. All right, rain it in a bit. Rain it in there. There we go. OK. In heavy things, what is Tilly best at doing? Probing and tearing ventricles, quaking and cavitating, or leaving two holes in one's face. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] Providing me out, not alone. A faucet quaking and cavitating, or trying to speak out, turn the soul. Tilly reaches through my vest to do the thing that she does best. She grows and tears my ventricles as she sails my one remaining breath. Things are falling down on me, everything I could not see. To do the thing that she does best, Tilly, she opens up my vest and probes and tears ventricles. Yes. And steals your one remaining breath. We would also accept it, steals your one remaining breath. So I'll let there's-- There's jilly, tilly, shiny, seeing a pattern here. All right, cue four. In fish lore, what did the young man think the cowering fool might be looking for? Stones, seagulls, or owls. I could take this one. Take this one, because I think you wrote this one. This could be a challenge for people. I'm trying to think-- This is a toughie though. This is a throwback. If we don't-- if it weren't a multiple choice, I wonder how many people would have come up with the answer, which is not stones, and is not seagulls. And in fact, I'm not sure if I've ever put those two words in to any song. Really? Stones? Pebbles and marbles? I have the rocks will fall away at last in walls of the cave. Pebbles and marbles-- so pebbles are in there, and rocks are. But I'm not sure if stones are in any song, but-- No left turn on stone. Uh-oh, well done. And I see you. Look at you, that's amazing. He's got his dictionary in mind, his executive TV in mind. I'm good, baby. The answer is owls, of course. Looking for owls, the young man asked. Oh, boy. And that goes back to our Buffalo Bill discussion right on the onset of this podcast. Looking for owls, young man, hoping to lighten the tension. And the scout he received as his only reply made him smile as he relived the mansion. And the cavalry fool walked on the road quite proud of the fear he instilled. And later, they found him tied to a log bent over in Buffalo Bill. Buffalo Bill. Buffalo Bill. Buffalo Bill. The coward fool. Coward fool. Yeah, well, fish.net has coward fool. Yep, they have it wrong. Hey, Scott Marks, get on that. Wow, fish.net. Yes, we can get that out of it. We need to edit that one. Originally, yeah, Anastasia Marshall, right there. Who is she music? And who is she? Who is she and who is she music? That's the question of five. Is that really? Well, it is now. I'm going to answer that. It's Marley. Chay's dog is the fish dog. Marley went on tour with fish for every single one of their shows for all of fish, 1.0. So at the end of 1.0, Shoreline, I remember Marley was actually on her last legs, literally. And she had to stay home. And I remember the band, Trey, had told me that when they had their meeting, which was, they were kind of sad, it was a sad breakup sort of meeting. Our last show, the first breakup. And Marley couldn't be there. And they all sort of mentioned that they missed Marley. So that was, I think when they saw her, they would all sort of go, who is she? And get her all excited. And there was an accompanying story there that she would sometimes, if she was really excited, roll over on her back and send a stream of pee straight up into the air. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Marley and pee. There's your next song or book or movie. Marley and pee. Yeah. Now we're getting back to the gutter here. Marley and me, of course, a beautiful dog movie. Beautiful dog movie. Just sort of maligned by Scott. Mm-hmm. Marley and pee. Well, that was, OK, let's be a real Q5 because that one, I didn't give multiple choice. I didn't know the answer to it. I'm glad you explained it. Who is she music, which is your publishing title? A publishing army of fish. Yeah, there you go. All right, here's the real Q5. What is the first and last thing on the cousin's list? The cousin's list. Do you know what I'm talking about, the song? I sure do. Think of a song with a cousin. Think of a song with a cousin. Is it kissing Tequila or Marley? [LAUGHTER] That one you didn't just come up with on the cast, it did? I didn't have multiple choice for that one. That was a-- So Tequila's where it starts and where it ends. That is the list. That's like after you've crossed off all your friends, the one thing that remains is your friend, your Mexican cousin. Always on the list. I'm awful sorry you got pissed. Yup. [MUSIC PLAYING] I'm awful sorry you got pissed. I'll just have to cross you off the list. But my true friends, Tequila's where that starts and where it is. That's the cousin's list. I want to kiss no boo. [MUSIC PLAYING] So interesting, Tom. Mexican cousin. Oh, yeah. About Tequila. Oh, my gosh, yes. You wrote this while drinking, what, a white wine spritzer? Exactly. Will your mics hard lemonade? What inspired this song? Thank you. [LAUGHTER] Waking up the next day after Tequila, Tom had his way. And honestly, I had a few Tequila nights and where exactly what happens in the song happened, where I kind of had to learn about some of the things I did or said from other people. It's a situation that you don't want to have happen to you many times in your life. Because the things that you learned that you did or said are often not wonderful. And so I just felt like I wanted to be put into a HR syndrome in a way. And if you don't feel like apologizing, then you have to say, I'm sorry, you got pissed. That's one of those fake apologies. Right. I'm sorry that you're mad. Yeah, I'm sorry that you're mad. And crossing you off the list of friends. It's really mature. [LAUGHTER] Just have to cross you off my list of my true friends. You're giving up true friends. And in favor of Tequila. In favor of Tequila. Wow, yeah. RJ, I think it's time we tell them this is part of the reason why we brought you here today. It's for an intervention on writing songs about alcohol. Because it really is one of the lesser fish songs. [LAUGHTER] In fact, I was at NASA when they played this in an encore with Contact. Did you remember this? Didn't go ever well. Was it '03? It was '03. Yeah. That was the show, right? That was the show. It was not that it didn't go over. It was just the ones-- for me, it was a new song at the time. And I'm just like, OK. What did you want instead? I wanted, like, antelope or something. Right. What was that? Good times, bad times. Every now and then, yep. Every now and then, sort of, you know-- They don't play with that. Depends on the mood of Trey, possibly, or if anyone else called it. But perfect placement, for me, was the first time they were in Mexico. And I heard Mexican cousin, and I was so happy. That's where you play it. And that's all-- the only place where it should be played. They just played it two nights ago at Hampton for the first time since that Mexico show. Almost 100 shows. Oh, wow. It's a rarity. Now it's a rarity. Now it's a deep cut. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's the thing about these songs. They take on lives. Pissed off the list. It's true. And then when fish plays in Alaska-- oop, I gave another secret away. They're going to play the song Alaska. Alaska. Alaska. Idaho, Nebraska. I don't know Alaska. He's going to take away my job. Sorry. Why do I have to-- this is what's in my brain. This is what's-- this stuff comes out in HQ. Like, I've said that before in HQ. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Idaho, Nebraska. Yes. I believe I was playing that one. And in fact, by the way, I've never gotten past, I don't think, 10. Yeah, well, 10 questions. Well, that's pretty good, though. 10's good. You've been kissing the Mexican cousin too often. You've got to lay off that if they kill your brain cells. But I heard from you, in fact. You told me through tray that-- no, sorry. You told me that tray plays HQ with his daughters. And he was blown away when he heard the first fish reference, because he didn't know. He said, all of a sudden, I'm playing all of a sudden. I say, they called me the sloth, because the answer was sloth. And he flipped out. Isn't that nuts? That's awesome. So you have-- you have a million-- more than-- often millions of people are playing. But knowing that tray is playing, does that make you a little more nervous? I can't even tell you-- I mean, there's no way he's playing anymore. But the fact that he played it all, the fact that he knows who I am, at all, this thing can all just-- and now the world can just blow up, and all-- it's one of those things, like, I'm pretty-- every time I get depressed, you just think about things like that, like, no, tray has played HQ. That's so cool. That's what we're going on. That's what happens. Life will go on. And Tom and RJ are in my friends' apartment right now recording this podcast. We totally are. All right, we've got to get to the rest of these questions, because I'm sure on HQ people say, shut up! Get to the questions, so they're saying that right now. They're screaming at their iPhones, podcast devices. All right, next question. What venue has fish played more than any other MSG, Alpine Valley, or the gorge? Now, I know RJ knows this like the back of his hand. You know your venues. You know your stats. I do. What have you got, RJ? I'm going to guess. Please do. I think it's that early Burlington one, the front. The front, which I didn't even give as an option. No, but that's a good guess. But now it's very close to here. 1.5 miles, maybe? Madison Square Garden. Madison Square Garden. Yeah. Are you on the street? There it is. Yeah, within a few miles. The front, they played a lot. Yeah, 33 times, Madison Square Garden 56. 56. Oh my god, wow. Selling on every single one. Are they approaching Billy Joel territory here? So funny, there's always like a funny Billy Joel banner up. And there was a Billy Joel banner up in-- was that Albany as well? There was. Yeah. And he's got banners everywhere. Yeah. And fish has a banner there. So wherever there's a Billy Joel banner, fish aims to have a banner. That's amazing. I want to see a fish Billy Joel collab. Can we make that happen? I think yes. I think yes. I mean, that's the thing. I want to talk. Can we talk-- That's how it works. In fact. Are they doing it? 50 seconds straight. That's the album. Last houses. It's a third set after the second set of-- After Fiddler on the Roof. Yep. Then it's going to be Billy Joel. Breaking serious danger. Just the stranger. Just the stranger. The stranger. I am the entertainer. The magic of change is busted out with the entertainment. Captain Jack. Make it work. There you go. Captain Jack with a Mexican cousin back to back. Ah, back to back. Captain Jack. All right. This is one of my favorite questions. Near and in the end here. What song does fish play in their guest appearance on the Simpsons? Yem. Analope. Or Divided Sky. Interesting. Now, my kids would even, I think, know this because they've seen that episode many, many times. But the favorite thing that they used to like to say was a one and a two and you know what to do. Which I don't think fish has ever started a song with. Ray needs to do an all the way. Now, listening. A one and a two. Yes. And then what did they know what to do? In that episode. Analope. Analope. Analope. Analope. Analope. 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That's another episode. Oh dear. Okay, can you name, this is our penultimate question here. Can you name all 10 fish festivals? Not multiple choice. You gotta name 'em kids. All 10, go! - All right, quick question. Is curve ball included? - Curve ball will not be included. - Because it was canceled. - 'Cause it was not technically a fact. - Work backwards from curve ball. - All right, is Oswego a fast, 'cause that one... - Yes. - Okay, so are you sure about that? - We need ego. - It's counted in the fish tree. - In history. - In history, Canon. - Yeah. - Oswego. - Well there, that's one. - Camp Oswego. - You've been at all of them. - Okay. - You need a bit of them. - Clifford Ball, great went, lemon wheel. I'm done. - Coventry. - Yes. - Coventry. - Give you Oswego also. - Festival eight. - Festival eight. - Millennium. - Oh, big cypress. - Yes. How about 2003, the one that I went to. - Help me. - Up in limestone main. - One word. - Round two. - Two letters. - Short word. - Stephen King novel. Clown movie. - It's 15. - Yes. - It's a clown movie. You had me a clown. - Pet cemetery. And then two more balls. - Oh yeah, I need one more. Oh yeah, curt, sorry. Super and magnum. - Yes. Okay, great. Good job, everybody. Final question. All boils down to this, 'cause I really have to run to a very important meeting right now with the remaining members of the Almond Brothers. (laughing) - Is that right? - No, no, no. (laughing) Here it is. Who is the road tripping duo in Destiny Unbound? Aha. And I'm not gonna give you multiple choice on this one. - All right. - But I will give you a hint. I didn't mention these names earlier in the quiz because you love to rhyme this syllable. - Well, I know that rotary dude rhymes with ill. - Yeah. - And it must be Bill. - Must be Bill and go, RJ. - Highway Jill. - Highway Jill and rotary Bill. Bill and Jill. - What a great couple. - What a great couple. And the reason I'm gonna close with this thought here, this song, one of my all time favorites, because I was there, as I mentioned, I think it was the same Nassau show with the content, Mexican cousin. - Yep. - Encore. - I had Destiny. - Destiny Unbound. A 796 gap, 796 song gap. And I'll never forget, I've had a few moments like this in my life, only. A few moments. Yohan Santana, Pichigan Oh header at City Field. I was there for that. And just hearing, you know, and being in a stadium full of people just losing their minds. And Nassau Coliseum that night, February 28th, 2003. Destiny Unbound hits. I never heard the song before. Look, that was my first show ever. - Oh, it was. - My first show ever. - That's fantastic. - I voted. - One of the best shows ever, right? - Yeah. - And I'm hearing the song. I'm like, what is this? And you hear that the slow-- - They flipped it out. - But it was like a slow recognition, 'cause like, very few people had heard that song. - Right. - And it's just like, that this rising crescendo of just like, - And some major bust out, back when bust outs were bust outs. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - It's not even the biggest bust out of all time. - Biggest bust out of all time. (upbeat music) And like, I fell in love with the song. I mean, it could've been a bad song. Imagine if they bust out with a bad song. But it was a great song. And then I saw it again in 2009 to Fenway. - I saw it again. - It played again. - I saw it again. - But isn't that nuts? - That is all right. - I've like, caught a couple of your destinies. - And it stuck with me and-- - Perfect. - Highway Bill. - Highway Bill. - Clearly in your destiny, obviously interwoven into your, what you do daily, which is awesome. And we had to get you on for, if only for that reason. But also, because we met recently Scott. We had a great, great summer seeing Trey play in Central Park. That, I gotta say, was kind of surreal. Walking in Central Park and hearing a sound check. And I think it could have been Frost or Winter Queen. All of a sudden, hearing my lyrics sung by my best friend rolling over the Central Park Hills. It was like, that was very, very surreal and bizarre. 'Cause this was still like four or three or two o'clock. It was like way before the concert. And I didn't expect it. And all of a sudden, amplified, dry kind of rolling over. That was amazing. And then meeting you, Scott was great. And hanging out with another Scott, Scott Metzger that night. - Yeah. - Great, so two Scott's and a track. - Trey Trio. - It's a good night, you know. Listen, we'll do this again. - Yeah, absolutely. - Or trivia. There's always more trivia coming your way. - Well, we appreciate your turning under the scales into a trivia show. - Stump the scales. - We're gonna do that again. Yeah, hashtags, stump the scales. Tell how many you got right. And Scott will give you a sticker. (laughing) - Congrats, Scott, on all those success mats so cool. - And congrats on the Sire's network. I love this thing. You guys are kicking it. - All right, well, you got it on anytime. Once you podcast, let me know when you can do it. - Remember, our destiny is on bound. - It is, all right. - Thanks for having me. - My afternoon is bound, I gotta go. - Okay. - This podcast is in the loop. The Legion of a Sire's Podcasts. 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