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Sleeper show is basically the show that you just, you had no idea that it was going to be as good as it possibly could be. So they would have been amazing out on the pool deck, but this atrium is never rock so hard as they did tonight. (crowd cheering) Ever. I mean, this is above and beyond gonna be one of the shows that everybody's talking about from Jamcrest 13. (crowd cheering) I've worked with these guys before and I knew they were amazing, but I even didn't know how ridiculous this set could possibly have been. (crowd cheering) You know, we've been through a lot of the last 24 hours. We really have. You know, we literally have to change almost every show and every venue. So please give it up for Sister Sarah on the Dirty Birds. (crowd cheering) Epic. This is Jamcrest 13. This is the kind of stuff that happens on Jamcrest 13. Thank you everybody. (crowd cheering) Hello and welcome to Under the Scales. I'm your host, Tom Marshall. 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Would you agree this is a really cool house? - That's beautiful. - And you guys might have already recognized the voice of my current guest on that clip that I just played. But I'm sitting here of course with Annabelle Lukens. Hi Annabelle, how are you? - Hi Tom, I'm great, how are you? - We're doing so good. We shouldn't get too hung up on it, but let's at least talk about the events that led us to here. And what I'm talking about of course is curveball. I think people want to hear about it and hear what other people are feeling and everything like that. To you, what was it? Was it just like a travel disaster or was like your life culminating to that moment? - I had a very challenging summer to say the least, probably the worst summer in memory. - Oh really? - Yeah, I had four tragic deaths. My daughter was sick for a month. I had $50,000 worth of hail damage to my house. - What? - My car was close to being totaled and I didn't do any of summer tour because all lines led to curveball. So none of it mattered because my level of pain was at the top and my level of happy was at the bottom, but it was gonna be okay because we were all gonna be together up in Watkins Glen. But I mean, my story, everybody's story, the band's story, the vendors story. I was at a festival called Ned Fest in Maryland a couple of weeks ago and I saw these great vendors. They have a four month old baby and they drove to curveball and that was gonna be the biggest profit of their whole summer. So I mean, it just hurt for everybody. And there's been a lot of people that have come together and said that it's, we were all in this together. We get through it together and that is totally, totally true, but it's also not just about being positive because the community and our lives is also about the tragedies that we have. And so we have to commiserate together and lament together. And so it was important to share the sadness as well as what we did to sort of rise above. - Yeah, I'm kind of proud as a fan base and as a band kind of uniting in the way that we get through this and also kind of the way that Fish came out and took the stage night one of Dix where all that summer energy and all the festival cancellation energy spilled out until that first song free. - Free, I mean, that's what we are is we are free and no matter, we all lost a lot of money, we lost a lot of time. It was emotionally draining, but we are safe and we are healthy and we are free. - Yeah, no one got sick as far as I know. And that's amazing. - Thank goodness. - Yeah, well, so we're here and Fish is playing incredibly well. Those two shows, do you have a favorite, so far a favorite set, anything like that? - I have a couple of favorite jams just when I close my eyes and think about how intensely they're playing and how emotional some of the jams were were just, we, I think they were really focusing on letting go. And just as we were talking about free, just being free. And so I, in a show, I always have moments. Highlighted moments. - Me too. I had an irrational moment during free. - Oh yeah. - They're playing so well that I thought, they're not gonna be able to continue this level. I was kind of like irrationally thinking, oh shit, they've come out too hard almost. But sometimes when Trey comes out, you can see it in his face. Like, that continued the whole show, which is great. - You know, it's so crazy you said you can see it in his face, but where I watch the show from is in the back of the venue, but I could feel it just as much as you could see it. - Yes. - And it hit hard in a great way. But yeah, I mean, you're saying you were struggling with that, but then that Down with Disease Jam was just so huge at the end, basically, of the second set. So it was, you know, they know how to carry on for as long as they need to. - Now, so why do you know everyone in the fish scene? And why do you have so many, your posse is massive. - It's a massive posse. I mean, I have, when people say, who do you go to a fish show with? - You say everyone. - Right, I mean, I love hopping around and seeing everybody. It's just part of my thing. I have a core group that I see the show with. It's my pH family. It's just like, you know, you go to holidays with your F family. And Thanksgiving and Christmas, I go to fish shows with my pH family. But part of my thing, especially at Dix, which is just one of the greatest venues that fish plays at is just to run around and see people and say hi to people and tell stories and hug and just. - It's exactly like what we say on under the scales all the time. It's as much about the, you know, getting there and the pre-show and the post-show as it is the show. - Well, it's, you know, one of my favorite moments last night was that my best friend from New York comes out to see fish with me every year. And she went down on the floor and we had been hearing 2001 teases for two days and we knew it was coming. - And what an amazing one. - It was so good. That I think was the moment where basically we were just all like we took a deep breath and just settled into what was gonna happen for the rest of the set. And I knew and I almost turned to my friend and said, Joyce is about to come back. And I knew that she would come back to me for 2001. It's just that connection with the people that I see the music with. - You orbit each other like satellites and then when you come together when you have to. - And I just knew it and so she was there. And so it is really so much about the connection I have with the people as much as it is the music. And so why, I don't know, I was given a gift at an early age to be a social butterfly. And fish actually has been a part of my emotional upbringing as far as helping me become more secure about who I am and that I'm in the right place. - Me too. - I'm doing the right thing. - That exactly describes me. - I know, you are. - It became, I became sort of very confident kind of and I wasn't before at all. You know, able to interview people, you know, that's a thing that I've sort of developed through fish too. - I mean, let alone the lyrics that you have contributed to but yes, the interview-- - Putting yourself out there. - It really is, you just, you fit in. And when you find your place that you fit in and it's so that you need to nurture and grace it, that's what I give off and I need to-- - I think you give that to other people too. - I do, I do, so what's it, oh, your energy, it's so positive, it's almost like you wonder what your purpose is because people wander around this world for years. - I think you found yours. - And that's great, thank God I get to give that to people. In the fish world, but also in my professional life. And that is, it is a gift. - Let's get into your professional, well, you know, recognizing a gift is as valuable as getting the gift, you know what I mean? - I know, I know. - It's good that you do that, yeah, the gratefulness goes a long way and it's clear in you that you see that, which is awesome. You're, you know, obviously a super friendly person and it's like hard to, you know, you must not be able to walk by without giving like 75 hugs like, you know, in one hour. - It's a blessing and a curse, I say, because especially in fish, it's so funny because I can't go anywhere without people recognizing me. It's great to always say I'm famous in this tiny little world. - Yes. - And in-- - That's what I used to say to my son, daddy, are you famous? Like when someone would come up to me, I asked for a picture and I said, "Everyone's famous, it's just the size." Like, I said, "You're really famous in our family, Brody." Right? Right? But my family's just a little bit bigger. - Right, so then you and I are matched in that way. - Yes, yeah. - And I, yeah, it's funny because Cloud9 Adventures, you know, we do more, we do 10 events a year and so I have friends, people coming up to me last night, "Hey Annabelle, thanks for all you do. "See you in January or I've come to Panic and La Play "a five times," which I also love because, you know, there's widespread fanic fans at the fish show and et cetera and so it's great, you know, sometimes it's hard for me because I never work at fish. I always seem to work at my other favorite bands or really kind of network in many ways and fish is really like my, you know, I pay for my tickets, I'm in GA, you know, I don't need to be backstage, I don't have my laminant on, like I do it most other shows and of course I'm friends with a band and fishman, I have been friends since '97, but that's not what it's about for me. So whereas, you know, I have to be very courteous and loving to the people and remember that I bring them joy and so I want to be able to and they want to talk about the lineup on Jaircrews and I want to say to them and somebody like, that's my job and I would enjoy the show just like you but I don't because, you know, that's what I was put on this earth to do, it's just-- - All right, well we're alluding to a lot of things that we're gonna cover, so let's get there but I want to ask you first, what was your first fish show just to get this out of the way? - Well you asked us, so my first fish show was May 1st in 1993 and it was at the man. - Oh, it's Philly, okay great. - Yeah, it was it and I was a student at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. - Were you an engineering student? - I was far from that, I was a journalism major because I wasn't really sure who I was at that point. - Okay, right. - That was, I was, you know-- - Lots of engineers at Lehigh. - Oh, I'm quite aware, I lived with one, my girl that took me, my first grateful dead show was an engineer, I used to call them all engine nerds, I married an engine nerd, by the way. Anyway, so not from Lehigh, but-- - Oh, happy anniversary. - Thank you, today is my 11 year wedding anniversary, it's funny, you know, there's, obviously Tom, we could probably talk for hours, but anyway, so today is my 190th show. - Oh wow. - And it's funny being a fish head for so long, and we're like, that's so many shows, I'm like, no, it is really not, I should be at so many, but life, and I have a child, has, you know, gotten in the way, so-- - Oh yeah, well no, that's a good number, that's a great number. It's a great number, it's a great number. The man, it was funny, 'cause everyone's like, what was it like for you at first, and I was seeing the Grateful Dead since 1991, and then, which was a late start, but still great, and so then I, you know, went to the man the first night, and it was a lovely, lovely show, great gig in the sky, and whatever, in the second night, they played Big Fat Free Creature from Mars, and I was a deadhead at that point, and I almost took a turn, you know, I don't know if I like this. - Yeah, it was a little bit scary, but obviously, you know, I live to tell the story, 190 shows later, that it hasn't been. - There it is. So now, Annabelle, I knew you that your professional gig, and I understand that there's multiple parts of this, but the big one that a lot of people know you from, and you alluded to it already, is Jam Cruise. Now, you got involved with Jam Cruise very early, 'cause you're up to like number 17. This is Jam Cruise 17 in January. - Amazing. - And it's so interesting how my whole life revolves back to fish. It just always just seems to, and I was working as the marketing director of Planet Bluegrass in Lyons, Colorado. They produced Telluride Bluegrass Festival. I had a high tail down of here from New York City for this job, and the job ended, and I put my resume around, and a great friend of mine who actually started the pH family named Aaron Schimmel, said Jam Cruise needed a marketing director, to which I was very confused, because Jam Cruise 1 had sold out in like 60 seconds, 'cause it was the first time they were like, "Let's do..." - What year was that, do you remember? - The Jam Cruise, yeah, Jam Cruise 1 was 2003. - And so you weren't officially involved yet? - I wasn't. My boss, Mark Brown, one of the greatest ever to exist, was on a cruise on the beach at St. Martin, at one of the port stops. It was looking at a cruise ship, and he was doing festivals at Mayo Island in Richmond, Virginia, with rain and port-a-potties, and curveball, plus, coven tree all together, and was like, "Why am I not doing..." - Why not? - On one of those boats. - You know, there's cabin stewards, they make your towels into bunnies and put your sunglasses on them, and it's a luxury way to see music, and we were all mature music fans at that point, so he brought me on, and Aaron Schimmel told me about the job, I got the interview, and they loved me, and they loved the idea I came up with for artist activities, but I was a fish head, and they were potentially concerned, that, you know, stereotype of a fish head, she... - Well, it has the word Jam Cruise, so that should be okay. - I know, but they weren't sure if I should get the job because I was a fish head. What if I was like, you know, some lot of kid. Lot of kid that wasn't gonna be able to cut the mustard, and so they asked Big Jomo, John Moore, in New York City, and he's a fish head, maybe, he knows Ann about, which goes back to everybody knows me, and he said, "You would be a fool not to hire her." - Very good, Jomo. - And so it worked out, you know, and I told Mark, I'll never have another job for the rest of my life. - Oh, that's awesome. - Yeah, definitely. And so now that's kind of your main gig. - That is my main gig, although Cloud 9 does many events. That is sort of my baby, my bread and butter. I mean, every time we come out with the lineup or do the schedule, I always joke with Mark that we've just birthed another child. - Having never done it, having never done it to my shame, and I might have to still, at some point, just really quick, just to get my head wrapped around it, where does it go from where to where, how long, how big are the boats, how many people get on, how many bands, how many venues? - Right, all of the above. I mean, it has fluctuated over the years. And we, for the past at least five years or more, have left out of Miami. We used to leave at a Fort Lauderdale. The Cloud 9 offices are now in Delray Beach. They originally were in Mark Brown's apartment and book over time. And so we, Jam Cruise 1 was four days. Jam Cruise 2, which was back-to-back, was also four days. And then we went comfortably to five days. And now we're going to six days, which will be- - Seems like a long time to be on a boat with a bunch of, I mean, I like escaping a little bit. I like going to fish and then leaving. - The great news is that everybody has their own cabin, whether they're by themselves or with a partner. So you can escape there. Also, we have three port stops. And there's nothing that goes on during the port stops. We really just get off so that everybody, if you wanna go to go see the ruins in Mexico, or if you wanna go, we have a nonprofit arm, and if you wanna do community service or go on. - So you go down to Mexico and hit a couple of islands and come back? - Sure, I mean, we go to different locations. And we're going to Belize as one of them. We go to, you know, because it's only five days, there's only certain islands that you get. - So you can get down to Central America and some of the northern islands in the Caribbean. - So we've done all of those. And we just rotate and it's fine. You know, people just love the opportunity to get off the ship, whether it's a familiar port or unfamiliar, and then that's a time for, as I said, people to sleep or do whatever they want to do. - Cool. And lots of bands onboard each one. - Lots of bands, like 25 bands. And most bands play two shows. - Okay. - So, I mean, it's just thousands of people. We have about five venues, three main venues, and then a disco, and then an acoustic venue. We have an atrium, a piano atrium, which was one of the classic-- - This is one of those massive big boats. - It is, I mean, the one we go on now is it's much smaller than the one we, I mean, we've been on ships that hold 3,500 people. - Oh, wow. - This is now 2,500 people, which is great because it's intimate. So you do run into people a lot more often. And I mean, the difference is huge music festivals. I mean, I used to work at Lala Palooza, from one end to the other is a mile long. - Yeah. - I mean, Jim, 'cause you're just running up and down the stairs from one venue to the other. So if you're missing a show for 10 minutes, it's only 'cause you'll, you know, went to the other show and we'll be right back. - Right, so a lot less distance to cover. So it really is a floating festival, basically. - Exactly. - Oh, that's really cool. That's a cool way of thinking about it. And everyone's in luxury and everyone's happy and sees as much music as they want, eats all they want. Port stops, sounds actually kind of amazing. - It is ultimate. It really is the ultimate trip for a music fan. - And when does it hit, when do they leave? What's the schedule? - It's always January. So it's, you know, all of our Cloud9 events are, it's cold in most of the locations where you live. So come to Cloud9 where we're going to bring you to the tropics and the other times. - Warm you up with some music and stuff. - Yeah, and people call me Tanuary because I'm always Tan at January and it's weird. - Well, because of your expertise at curating these jam cruises, I thought, and it's something that my under the scales audience likes a lot, is if we could kind of make this one a musical one. We'll talk as much as you want about like events on jam cruise, but it would be kind of cool if we could interspers it with some clips, some music. - Sounds good. - And I see you've done a little bit of research in that regard. You brought, you came with some clips. - Yeah, definitely. I mean, again, it all just comes back to fish. - It does? - It's just so, yeah. - So they were right to be worried about you. - It's all tied back into that. I just loved the time when they did play in Miami and then we jumped on jam cruise the day after. I mean, it was just very convenient, so thanks fish. But I mean, you know, Fishman has been on jam cruise. I mean, he's such good friends with me and so we love to collaborate with each other and it just was, he knows, it just was such a great experience for him. On many levels, one of his closest friends who was one of my closest friends was Colonel Bruce Hampton. - Oh, right. - We were in Atlanta together and, you know, I have great photos of fish and Bruce on board jam cruise. - Oh, fantastic. - And, you know, there was just a real friendship and it just may be enabled to help provide the opportunity for musicians who love each other to come together. Like I think they spent most of the crews just talking to each other and that makes me happy. You know, one of the other musicians who I was able to do that with was George Porter and Bruce. I helped facilitate a friendship between two people who loved each other very, very much because the time that they got to have together was on jam cruise and the clip that I brought to you was from the jam room and it's from, we call George Porter the king of the jam room because I make him a host every year. - So, he's like the resident bass player? - I call him like the, yeah, the king of the jam room because he's-- - And the band forms around him kind of? - Exactly. - Okay, cool. - So, he's on bass and, you know, other people can come in on bass if they want but everybody wants to play with George. - Yeah. - I mean, he's one of the forefathers of music. So, for him to come on jam cruise and just for him to be so connected to so many different musicians and fans is what it's about and the jam room is such a unique part of our cruise that it's important for me to have a very organic member of the music scene to come with no agenda and most people, if you're hosting a jam room, you'll ask a bunch of musicians to come sit in with you but when George is the host-- - He does not fast. - No, everyone just wants to come and actually it was great. Last year we had Madesky, Scofield, Martin and Wood on board and it was the 20th anniversary of a go-go and George Porter's wife, dear friend of mine era, passed away and John Scofield doesn't necessarily want to show up in the jam room, which starts at two o'clock in the morning, but he wanted to honor era so he came and sat in with George and so connection is just vital. And again, it just comes back to fish and the connection that we all have together and how we lift each other up at the hardest times and how music can save us from any sort of sadness. It's just such a beautiful thing, but love life-- - Let's hear this clip. - It is about, you know, George loves to sing Love Light but that was the last song that was played of Colonel Bruce Hampton's life at his birthday party in Atlanta that Fishman was there for and so many others and so I thought it would be appropriate to have a clip of George Porter Jr. doing Love Light. - Now, singing here is George, right? - Singing here is George. - Bruce is not involved. - Bruce never even played on Jim Cruz. - He gambled in the casino and was more of a spirit animal of the crews than a musician but we honored him in so many ways so I just thought it was just parallel to sort of-- - Beautiful, that's great. Well, let's hear this version of Love Light. (upbeat music) ♪ Without no warning, you throw my heart ♪ ♪ You let me set it into the dark ♪ ♪ You let me set it into the dark right ♪ ♪ You said your love won't be more than mine ♪ ♪ Come on baby, baby, please ♪ ♪ I'm baby, you're a baby ♪ ♪ I'm down on my knees ♪ ♪ Right on your legs ♪ ♪ And the shadow of me ♪ ♪ I'm down on your lower back ♪ ♪ The last time on me ♪ - Wow, that's really great. - Yeah, it's special. It's definitely special. - That's special. That's so cool. - And when era died, when era died, I was one of the first people that George called and so to circle back to why I know everybody and what my purpose is is just the relationship that I have formed, whether it's through fish or whether through jam crews are lifelong and really deep, not surface. I'm not a surface friend. And of course, I know so many different people. I can't have complete intimacy with everybody, but I really try because it's important and Ivan Neville happens to be one of those others. To me, he is just a vital part of my existence. And he comes on board jam crews every year. We work together to figure out where his placement will be, whether it's dumpster funk or whether it's with drag and smoke or, but one thing that Ivan does every year, which I've helped curate and helped really nurture is the piano sets. We have piano, whether it's usually in an atrium. And it could start out being just them with a piano or they could have special guests come up. And Ivan is the king of the piano sets. So we have king of the jam room, George Porter, king of the piano sets, Ivan Neville. And I mean, it sounds like royalty already. I mean, it kind of is. I mean, it's an elite, not a clicky, but it's just really kind of the best of the best in a way we really have had almost all of the legends of the music scene. I was just blown away by dumpster funk for the first time ever, by the way. - When did you get to see that? - Well, I saw them within six months ago. And the reason I did was one of my very best friends, Lindsey McCord's son, Alex Wasili, is their new trombone player. - That's fantastic. - And he is amazing in it and he's great. So it's such an amazing band. - I love how that is what connected you to it because it's in, you know, in it's such a-- - Well, I see so much music and it's almost all fit. Like, you're different than I am. I see fish and get happy and I'm good with live music. But, so I don't get out like you do and see bands. - Well, you also have a real job and you have a family back in New Jersey. I mean, it's different. - But so don't you think it's such a treat for me? - Good. - And they came out mean and two bass players? - I know. - Well, Tony Hall, Tony Hall can do-- - Tony Hall came out, you know-- - Right, Daniel's in Tony Hall, but Tony-- - And we all know Tony's guitar and-- - It's great, I know, I know. - But that was kind of like the surprise for me was Tony Hall came out playing a Strat. - Yeah, it was a great guitar player. - And I was like darn it. - Right. - 'Cause I like him on bass and then he tossed the guitar right after the first song. Double bass, I was in heaven. It was beautiful. - That's hilarious. - Yeah, no, he is an incredible musician. That band is amazing. And it is, again, nice how-- - Well, if Dumpster Fund gives on, James Cruz, I'm gonna come on. - Okay, great. Well, I promise you and Tony Hall, if you're listening, I know you'll love this one, that they will be again. They are almost every other year. We just try to mix it up as much as we can. - Oh good, okay, great. Well, let's hear it now. This is Ivan doing a cover you said. - He always comes up with a cover. Now Ivan never likes to put on a, I'm a tough guy kind of attitude. He's not, that's him. - He seems tough. He seems tough. - He definitely has cried like a baby in front of thousands of people. And he is not afraid to tell you the story of it. So he, you know, he sings "Landslide," white sweetwood Mac, and you're like, "Where are you coming out with these ballads?" And he just loves to sort of become vulnerable. In that, James Cruz allows that, you know, freedom to just settle down and figure out, you know, where am I? And he, so the "Landslide" was one and, you know, "Boys of Summer" was one. And the clip that we're gonna hear, it was just really funny. Again, just, you know, he played Dave Matthews's crash. And it is just funny. I actually saw Dave Matthews recently. And it's so funny because fish fans, Dave Matthews fans that I found out, crash is apparently a bathroom song. Like, I didn't know I was in the pit for Dave Matthews. - Well, you have to punish the song that gets overplayed, right? - I hear you, and I mean, fish has that too, but it was just like, I-- - Which is fish is in your opinion. Come on. - Really? - You're not gonna insult me. I know it's what I'm on. - Patrick Orr? - Oh, no, that's, (laughs) No, you had some different one, I thought. Okay, all right. - But it's not like I get to hear that very often. I mean, some ballads, I mean, come on. I just, just life on Mars, bring it back, boys. Just get it off the shelf, bring it back, life on Mars. - Speaking of ballads and songs coming back, last night, my favorite song of the whole night was "Shade." - It's beautiful. - It was so cool. - It's a beautiful song and poignant. You know, so many of those songs right now really just hit home, and I think it understands. - And I was with someone who doesn't see fish a lot. - Yeah. - And watching him react to it, which was kind of cool. - Oh, yeah, he was moved. - He was blown away. - Oh, that's good. - Yeah, he's like, didn't know that fish had that side to it. - That's good. - That's so lovely and so real. I mean, these are lives that we lead are so painful and beautiful and emotional. It can't just be about stepping into the freezer, which I'm sure they're going to play a rip-in of one tonight. But I mean, the point is just that it needs to also be about where are we in our lives, you know? - And also letting emotions crash into there. - 100%. So that's why Ivan knew what he was doing when he got that song together. And so I guess... - You're a ghost. 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Come with me on a journey to Kingston, Jamaica, where we explore the world of reggae music and the untold stories of some of the genre's greatest legends, from the ghettos and tenement yards where the music was born, to the island's iconic recording studios. We are so excited to team up with Osiris Media, the leading storyteller in music, because as you'll hear, sometimes the story is the best song. Wow, now that is a beautiful version of that one. Yeah, he really, really knows how to hit the heart for sure. Now, you got some amazing rockers on too. You sent me a couple of clips of like amazing songs that bands I've never heard of to my shame. Well, I mean, that is one of the beauties of jam crews. You know, we sell out every year and of course we rely on the marketing of the bands for people to, you know, if you're a fan of the band, come on jam crews and that too buys cabins, but also people just rely on jam crews is that we introduce them to so much new music. Well, I'm introduced and I'm a fan of a band and I'm not sure if you know the one I'm talking about. I think that I do. I think that I do the new one that this next clip is going to sort of-- There is a woman singer, is it that one? Exactly, I made sure to let you know that this was a man who was singing. The voice is so good, it's an incredible voice. This is my favorite song on my favorite album of my favorite third favorite band, I should say. Well, that is-- These Beatles, Fish, Zap. That is so great that you say that and you know, I definitely want to tie everything that we talked to about, I want to tie in everything that we talk about back into fish on some level because it still is always so connected. Like, one of my standout sets was Atlantic City, which with the tweezer Led Zeppelin the night before Halloween night was just, it was so mind blowing and it just kept going. And tweezer, as I even mentioned, saying that I want to hear tonight, is just, it's just one of the greatest songs that fish plays and to loop it in and out of Led Zeppelin was just like, are you absolutely kidding me? Plus the energy of Atlantic City, which is also one of my favorite places to see fish and it's just all-- Yeah, that was good energy and it all worked. It just worked so well and the clip we're going to talk about is not the green sky bluegrass clip that we can talk about maybe afterwards, which is Atlantic City and their cover of it, which is so beautiful. But now you're going to talk about the main squeeze. So the main squeeze was on Jam Cruise last year and Corey is the main singer and sometimes I don't get to see every set and every song. So I actually manipulate my time on Jam Cruise by asking the bands if I could see their set lists. So cool. Because another clip that we're going to play, I missed a version of Killen in the name of that Nikki Gillespie played with Galactic. And I yelled at Galactic, I'm like, how could you not tell me you were going to cover that? And it's like, they're like, Annabelle, how did we know that we were supposed to do it? And I'm like, I'm never not asking these bands what their set list is. There you go. So I found out when in the set list, the main squeeze was going to play my favorite fish cover and that's a bold statement because Ride Captain Ride is-- There's so many, yeah. I mean, and I have such an amazing memory of meeting somebody named Aaron Stein who is significant in the fish world and at Philly because they play Ride Captain Ryan and he looked at me and I looked at him and we both freaked out and we were like, well, obviously we're supposed to be friends. And that was the beginning of our friendship, but no quarter. Yes. It is just-- That's amazing. It's one of the most powerful songs and he just-- And this is a great cover, yeah. It's so great. Yeah, fish's cover of it is amazing. I saw a page cover, invite a blue. And afterwards, when he and I talked, I said, that was fantastic. And he said to me, yeah, but it would be better with a guitar. Oh, that is so-- but that's Paige. It was humble. It was like, he's so seriously-- Yeah, I didn't feel that at all because his singing of it was beautiful. No, but that's just Paige, just like Mr. Humble Man. I'm like, yeah. Please, give me a break. You're so fat. Give yourself a break. I don't-- Exactly. God. Give me a little ego. I mean that's-- But then a few years later-- But then a few years later-- --is this still Lomboy, honestly. I mean, the Lomboy-- A few years later, though. You just-- Fish covered it. Ah. And wow. I mean, it is-- So now here is-- here is Maine Squeeze. I was blown away by the presentation. That is great. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. All right. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (singing in foreign language) (upbeat music) (singing in foreign language) (upbeat music) (singing in foreign language) (singing in foreign language) (singing in foreign language) (singing in foreign language) (singing in foreign language) (singing in foreign language) (singing in foreign language) (singing in foreign language) (upbeat music) - Wow, that's really, that's just-- - So special, and so these are the moments that I take away from JAM crews and say to myself, "Never before and never again." I mean, the sit-ins and the collaborations that happen on JAM crews are just endless, bands are formed, tours happen, babies are made, marriages occur. I mean, literally, it is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for so many people, and I am so grateful-- - No one's ever been proposed to on JAM crews. - Oh, you heard about that, didn't you? - That would never happen, right? - That's, well, yeah, so it was JAM crews four, and I was on stage, and I was in a really bad mood. I had actually gotten a little feisty with a manager who was my dear friend, and then I had to do this award show, and I was dressed as a pirate, and it was just not one of my best days. And I'm on stage doing this award show that we used to do, which we totally 86 thank God, because it just didn't work out. We would be like, the award for the highest bar tab goes to Tom Marshall, and then I'd be like-- - All right, what do you say now? - Oh, he's in the bar! You know, we're just so anticlimactic. I'm like, you know, let's just not do this anymore. And all of a sudden, Mark Brownstein from the Disco Biscuits comes up and he's like, "Well, Annabelle, we got one more award for you." And I'm like, "Seriously? Please don't call me out right now. I'm just in a bad mood." - All right, I want this to be over. - And they blindfolded me. And so this was on Jam Cruise 5, and so we Jam Cruise 4. Basically, my now husband of 11 years today saw me up on stage doing the award show, and said to himself, "I'm gonna propose to her right there in one year." - Oh my God. - So it was a year in the planning, and apparently he'd gotten the ring from my mom, but wouldn't tell her when he was proposing. And my Jewish mom was like, "What's going on? What are you guys doing? Peter, you gotta propose to my daughter." And he's like, "Sheila, just chill. Sheila, please." Jam Cruise 5, I'm in the worst mood, and they blindfolded me. And all of a sudden, I hear, "Okay, baby." And his voice is shaking. They take my blindfold off, and he's on his knee. - Oh, geez. Wow. - And he's such an equalist. He's such an incredible partner that he just said, "All right, baby, will you be my partner?" And it was just beautiful, and everybody was in on it. And it's like, "I know everything, okay? You can't pull one. I didn't know any of the things." And my future band leader Carl Denson, who the tiny universe played our wedding, with DJ Logic's spinning, was in the audience, and he knew about it, and my bridesmaids were in the audience, and it was just that. - It's too good. - It's so funny. You know about that? - Yeah, it's a beautiful picture. Someone did a real nice article of you, and I used it for research, and I was popping down, and I saw that beautiful picture. I decided I had to mention it. Good job. - Special moment. Special moment. Good job, Peter. - A little bit more than 11 years ago today. - That's right. - So we have some other cool clips that we should get to. - One of the other clips I wanted to talk about, and we just were talking about some of my favorite places to see fish, and some of my favorite moments. I mean, I just want to make sure to keep segueing back into that, because it's so important. I mean, this is your now second year, Dix, right? - Yes, my second day. - And welcome back. - Thank you. - And I mean, I think as you know, I have listened through your podcast, and as you know, no, Dix in general is just... - It's very special. - It's so much fun. The venue's great. The shakedown is like no other. I mean, I bring a hundred bucks in cash and go shopping. It's like a department store for hippies. You know, it's so great. I'm trying on little outfits, and I go, you know, hours beforehand so I can buy stuff. And it's just so much fun. And so it's just one of my favorite places to see fish, not that I mean, like they did a light at fish for fish years ago. Here at Dix, they did a light that even Fishman said it was the best light they've ever played. And John doesn't like, I've talked to him about Tahoe Tweezer. I'm like, you realize what Tahoe Tweezer was, right? And he's like, no, was it good? - Yeah, sometimes they don't know. - It's the song that I listen to when I go to the dentist and, you know, get the gas. - 'Cause it's 21 minutes and it's perfect, yeah. - I say how much time is it going to take for you to fill this cavity? And he's like, 18 minutes. I'm like, perfect. - I'll do it. - So anyway, but just the dull Dix thing, it's just incredible and so, you know, like last night I went on the floor to go see some friends and came back and there was Paul Hoffman, who is the mandolin player from Green Sky Bluegrass. - Oh, okay, right. - And Paul and Anders have become some of my dearest friends, true, true, true friends, not just like people that I pay to work our events. And they're huge fish heads. I mean, the manager is Maddie Beck from Waterwheel. I mean, it's just, again, full circle. And when I was looking at clips, I mean, it was so hard. Like when I was looking at my fish standouts, my moments from over the, you know, 25 years I've been seeing this band, it was, you know, looking at the jam cruise history and my co-worker Nate and I were looking through clips. He's here at Dix. He lives in Florida. He was helping me with this because we were trying to talk about these moments and it's really so much about the music but just so much about the vibe. - Yes. - Just like, shake down his and Dix's. - Totally. - And everything in Atlantic City and so I actually chose a clip from Green Sky Bluegrass Covering Atlantic City because that is one of Paul's favorite covers. - Oh, cool. - And it may, for some people, actually, I've talked to him about this, which is funny. It may be a bathroom song for Green Sky Bluegrass, which I can't understand because I think it's so great. But I mean, a lot of people hear it a lot because Paul loves to play it because, and it's just beautiful. You think about Springsteen and I saw Bruce Springsteen play with Fish at, at Bonnaroo and then, you know, it just was just, I mean, it just is this life that we live is so unique and I don't take it for granted and that's why my energy is so positive no matter what happens because my life never stops when it comes to fish or jam crews or music. - But also like how you're, yeah, like you're choosing these clips because they relate back to fish. So even though you're hearing a Green Sky Bluegrass Cover of Atlantic City, you're doing it because you like to wear when fish played in Atlantic City once. - I loved it. I just, I love Atlantic City. It was just so fun. - All right, here we go. Atlantic City by Green Sky Bluegrass. ♪ Singin' your name, God, baby, that's too fast ♪ ♪ Baby, I'm in the dark song, they call me ♪ ♪ But you'll make your part into a room pretty ♪ ♪ Baby, I'm in Atlantic City ♪ ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ ♪ I get a job, I put my money on weight ♪ ♪ 'Cause I got the kind of debt ♪ ♪ No one is sleeping, shoot me ♪ ♪ And I took out what I ate ♪ - That's nice. That's really, really nice. I love that. - So where would that occur on the boat? - So that one, I think that was on the pool deck. - Okay, and is that like one of the bigger venues? - Yeah, yeah, the pool deck is the main venue. It's outside, it's beautiful. You know, for the most part, the weather is gorgeous. - For people in the water, like it makes a dogfish? - No, no, not at all. We cover the pool, there's a pool, one pool. We actually, the dance floor is-- - Under. - There's a pool on it. - There's a pool on it. - I see. - The pool, the pool's under. - I've seen that before. It's really nice, and so usually on the cruise lines, it was two pools, and so we cover one of them and let people swim in the pool, not during the shows, but during the day. - Okay. - But the hot tubs are open, I'll tell you. The hot tubs people hang in and during the shows, and they're not clean, let's just, I mean, people get happy in there. I can only imagine what has gone on in the hot tubs of-- - Yeah, I don't know. - Yeah, so it's like coven tree in a way. I'm just kidding. But anyway, but I mean, the bands usually play the larger blend, like, main squeeze that was in one of our smaller venues, but the main bands play the pool deck, and they also play the theater, and I'm just, you know, recalling the, you know, numerous legendary bands that we have had onboard GM Cruise. One of, you know, obviously a very connected artist to fish and to tray is Les Claypool, and, you know, he's an interesting dude, and he loves GM Cruise. - Oh, really, that's cool. - He really does, and he, the crazy also thing is he loves me, and we have this very unique friendship, and it's just so cool because I feel so honored that he has, you know, he gets me, and he trusts me with everything. - He's funny to carry on a conversation with. - Just. - He's got that funny accent. - Fun, I was great. I know, I know what that, one story I was going to tell, which I wasn't even planning to, was just GM, you asked something that you said you wanted to hear somewhat about was some of the disasters of GM Cruise, and I don't want to call it a disaster, which was a challenge, a challenge, but GM Cruise I and GM Cruise II were back to back. - Okay. - And we actually didn't know from the guy that ran this little cruise line that we chartered, which that ship is definitely out of the water at this point. I mean, it definitely was questionable. - Oh, that's last leg. - When we were on it, okay? We found out when we got on board that we were going to Key West, what we knew we were going to Key West before we were going back to Fort Lauderdale. But what we didn't know, 'cause this was new to us, was that since you were going back into American waters before your part of disembarkation, you had to clear customs and immigration. So we had to gather 900 passengers, not only on GM Cruise I, but GM Cruise II at six o'clock in the morning. And nobody could get off the ship until everybody cleared. So people were sleeping in the hallways, people had lost their passports. And my job was to lead all of these musicians in a single file line through customs and immigration. And Les Claypool was like, "So I got a bell." I gotta tell you something. I never thought that I would be lining up like a duck following the mother duck through this kind of a situation, but here I am following you, and I just want to let you know what that. So it just was, it was great. I was just like, Les, I'm sorry, I got you, we're gonna do this together. - Well, that's beautiful. - Yeah. Now, that was like a mistake that you obviously didn't repeat. So really, obviously the rule is, when you come back into U.S. waters, land in the port that you disembarked from. - Yeah, exactly. - Okay. - So we've learned that the hard way, but it's not like we did that on purpose, but it's, I mean, you know, we have every year on jam crews, there's something that happens. - Okay. - And we just have to, to roll with it, I mean, you know, so many people identified and really felt, felt for me when curveball happened because they know what it's like for me to run events and for it to be so challenging. You have to deal with challenges all the time. We, we ran into another challenge and I'll actually go into another clip that, that, actually, I don't think you're gonna play the clip. You might have started this interview with the banter, but it was, - Yeah, I heard the banter. - But it was about, you know, again, it just has to do with being in it together. - Yeah. - And in life, it's scary to go things through things as a team because being lonely and being afraid to, you know, jumping is, is, is normal. You look at the United States and how divided we are in many ways right now, but then you look at the jam band scene and we are like, we are one. - Yeah. - And so we will conquer all and it's interesting because, so there were very high winds years ago on jam crews and we had found out about the high winds two days beforehand and we were told by our production manager in the cruise line that we had to shut down the pool deck. - Oh. - So when I have, you know, nine shows approximately on the pool deck for the last day at sea, it's the last day at sea. So the musicals from 11 in the morning to four in the morning. - Oh my God. - And I'm doing the programming. I have to scrounge for a solution and I don't have a solution. - Right. - But you have to figure out the solution no matter what. You know, it's, it's, it just, it wasn't like curveball. We couldn't cancel. We, we had to have the show go on. So I start rearranging shows in places that shouldn't, shouldn't happen. - Oh, I see. - And, and I'm putting full bands in the piano atrium where you just heard Ivan Neville and maybe a couple of other people singing crash. I was putting it, you know, an eight piece rock band. - Oh boy. So in this space where they really can't fit. - And when so my boss, you know, Mark was just like, figure it out and I'm like, I don't know what to do. He's like, I don't care. And I mean, you know, we were on, you know, 11. We were, we were, you know, not stressed. But I mean, it was, it was, it was hard for me. And I had to maintain composure because all the passengers are asking me what are we doing and I have to, I got to have my game face on. Everything is okay. We're going to figure it out and I'll get back to you and let you know as soon as possible what the situation will be. Then Mark is like, figure out where Sister Sparrow and the Dirty Birds are going and I'm like, we're going to go into atrium. And he's like, but they can't go into the atrium. And I'm like, I don't have any other choice. And he's like, fine. Well, look, it was one of the most energetic, powerful performances we've ever had on jam crews because it beat all odds. It redefined what can happen in a small space. And everybody's energy was like, we can do it. The show must go on. And they played an encore of fat bottom girls. Oh, nice. And then I just sort of got on the mic afterwards and was like, this is what jam crews is about. It is about, you know, inspiration and improvisation and collaboration. And, you know, we did it. Beautiful. We pulled it off and people will remember that as a very special moment of jam crews that could have been a disaster but turned into a triumph. Like in a huge storm, you'd have to just find land quick. Well, we've never been in that situation. We've been fairly safe on board. If anything, we've actually gotten to a situation where we can't go to port. Oh, what's that one about? It is. If the water, if the waves are too high, we can't actually stop at the port. You have to stay out of it. So we've had two, there was another situation a couple of years ago where I had to program a day of music on the pool deck. It was not, you know, bad weather. It was high winds and we couldn't actually go to one of our ports. So we went and spent another day at sea and my boss was like, what are we doing? And I'm like, we're doing dead. And he's like, great, get a dead band together. And so I have to, and it's not like I can text or call these musicians, where there's no cell service. So I have to like run around and be like, okay, everybody, somebody find Dan Liebowitz from ALO and find Steve Kimok. And we're putting together a dead band. And so many of the musicians have played in dead bands or dead music. We got this ridiculously cool dead band together and we had a gorgeous, gorgeous random day at sea. It couldn't have been a more perfect day. And we can definitely play a clip of that. So we will go into that at one point. But I just will say that it was another situation of turning a potential tragedy into a triumph. Yes. All right. Well, let's hear that. [Music] [Music] [Music] All of these are tragedies averted. Exactly. Well, actually, this one was I give total credit to my boss, Mark, because we had an artist that canceled last minute, right? Like the day before the cruise. And it was like, what are we going to do? And in this situation, we had a couple of members of the band Electron, which is we had Lotus on board, Jam Cruise, and Tom Hamilton, Mark Brownstein and Aaron Magner, all, you know, jam band heroes in a band called Electron. They've been on board before. I think there was another thing that we had to reschedule. And they played a makeup set and they were already on board or maybe all of the members were. And that was years ago. So, you know, we're on a team. And so Mark called Mark Brownstein and got Electron within, I think, 24 hours. I mean, Mark is three kids. And Aaron Magner has three kids. And it was just like they're like, we're leaving you, we're going on Jam Cruise. And maybe one of the wives was like, well, I'm coming with you. I'll call the in-laws. Let's, you know. And it's just they came on board and did an Electron set that was so special and so just meaningful that they could pull together so quickly and then have such an incredible set. It was a gorgeous night on the pole deck, gorgeous. And we were just celebrating life and celebrating triumph. And so they didn't practice. They just came out of there. No, I think I got them a rehearsal. You know, I let some of the bands rehearse. Got it. Just, you know, if they're doing unique sets, but I got them a rehearsal. But beside that, it was just a throw and go. Beautiful. And then I happened to be in the right place at the right time. And I think I was having dinner with them and we were recalling, you know, the magnitude of how quick they had to get their shit together to get on board. And they were talking about Exodus. They were talking about doing Exodus and someone had mentioned David Hines. So we had still pulse on. So David Hines is amazing. I don't know if you've seen still pulse or met David Hines, but his dreadlocks are as thick as I am. And he's just a funny guy and just really into it. He is the real deal. And I was like, I'll get him. They were like, you really can? I'm like, I'll get David Hines. Just tell me when the song is going to be and I'll have him on the side of the stage. And it's just so impromptu. So I'm running around the ship and I'm like, I get her on the radio. Everybody, if anybody is eyes on Dave Hines, let me know. And then I found him and I was like, I need you. I need you to come with me in 15 minutes. You're about to sit in with the band that you've never heard of. They're going to cover Exodus and he was like, okay, let's go. I'll do that. And it just was awesome and I'm jumping up and down on the side of the stage because I feel accomplished. And I just feel just so happy that this has just been able to happen on Jam Cruise. It's really special. Oh, that's great. Oh, all right, here we go. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Exodus. Yeah. Exodus. Yeah. Exodus. All right. Exodus. Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. That's a real good version too. That's sweet. They really nailed it. They really do. Those band members, independent of David Hines, have known each other for so many years. I mean, we all used to hang out at Wetlands together. So now that's disasters. Do you have like any days that go perfectly well and everything's perfect? Yeah. Let's just even bring up last year. And I was telling you that I missed a killing and the nadum of years ago in the theater. I knew that one of my favorite artists, Andy Fraskow in the UN, we're going to play the song. And again, it was just one of those perfect days at sea. And we were sailing exactly where we were supposed to. And that's another band. Everybody needs to check out Andy Fraskow in the UN. But he's young and powerful and crazy and fun and weird and obnoxious and crass. And says fuck after every word, which is impressive that this is actually the first time I've used this word because I did ask you if profanity was okay. Andy really is a little bit crass in the song. But he did a cover of Killing in the Name of. And I literally was just levitating through the whole thing. It was as headbanging as you would want this song to be coming from a band on jam crews. And they just basically nailed it. And it's just so fun how free bands on jam crews can be. I also like how that's kind of crossover into, you might say, a different style of music. It doesn't jam band. What is a jam band? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's not a genre. It's a style. It's just anything you want it to be. And I'm always impressed with how well-listened the fish fan base is and recognize what I think is an obscure cover immediately. Oh, yeah, of course. It's so awesome. Of course. I mean, hey, I don't want even the teases, they tease them in front the other night. I mean, they definitely, it's just, it's all over the place. The inspiration that the jam band scene and fish. Yeah. Or even like the Beastie Boys. Everyone knew every word when they did that. I was at the Mary Weather Show in '98 when they encored with sabotage. I just have to say that that was ridiculous. It explains the more energy that I've ever felt. Ever. Yeah, that's incredible. It was so crazy. You came from the stage and just washed over us. Especially because the beginning of that song, it's just like, it hits you from the first note. And so I just remember being there. And then it's so funny because, you know, no one ever necessarily thinks they'd go to Virginia Beach the next night. But I was, you know, young and on tour at that point and being silly and, you know, oh God. Eight, nine, ninety-eight, Jerry Day, and then they bust out with Terrapin and it's always been like a fish versus dead thing. Does fish play the dead? Right. Love of what are, this is so funny. And of course it's great and crazy and dead and cold with Bob Weir and me and God. I mean, the stories are so fluid. Yeah. But, but, but yes, you bring that up and then the Beastie Boys and, you know, Rage and Andy Fresco and it just, it keeps going. It never stops. It's, it's endless. I love that. I remember being at the 30th anniversary of Boston and that video, you know, I just remember that. Or, you know, my 30th birthday at the Gorge, which was one of the most powerful moments I've ever had at a fish show. When the show was over in my crew, my family sang Happy Birthday and then the entire bowl at the Gorge sang Happy Birthday. It was like an echo. It was ridiculous. But just, and I just had my 45th birthday and went to see Dead and Co. And it just, it just, we're so alive. Yeah, I know. In a world that sometimes can be so dark, we bring light. So that's why it's like Andy Fresco and this next clip. It's not like this Rage song is dark. It's as light as it can. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Sing it. I'm killing it in my name. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 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