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Right here on the Woodward Sports Network. My name is Neil Rule. That guy, Sean Belisian, of Lions pregame show fame, of Wayne State fame, of Detroit Sports Media fame. Breaking Big D Energy News. Sean Belisian and I will be together every Monday during the football season. How great is that? It's elite. I'm really happy about that. Seriously. I am too. That fantastic. Today, you know, Neil, I've been involved. You've been involved in so many days like this in our lives, okay? And I have to expect that people think that you're going to tune in, turn on the radio, television, come here to Woodward Sports, which is the best place to react to live, and you're going to hear Ranton and Raven, right? You're not getting it out of me today. There's no Ranton and Raven today. Oh, no? None. It's National Football League. Why should we be surprised? I'm serious. I hate to jump right into it, but I know I'm supposed to be screaming for, you know, you've got to cut this guy and this coaching staff and comparisons to days gone by and the band three letter words and everything. I want nothing to do with any of that crap, man. It's a National Football League. Crap's going to happen in the NFL. I'm just I'm not going to overreact, brother. I'm just it's not happening. By the way, all right. KG is back, by the way. I know. KG is back in the house. Good to see. Good to see you, man. All right. I never left. Speaking of like you never left, young Justin in the house for some tragic reason. Aren't you supposed to be at school? My class got canceled, so I had to come tap in. I mean, it's a pleasure. There it is. Spencer Raxter. Hello. Spenny and I sat next to each other at the Lions game. There are stories. We did. There are stories. Spenny was was on point. I was lubricated. Yes. He was on point. And experience on national television as well. Correct. You may have saw us on a national TV, but I but I digress. We're going to get into all. Yo, yo, that's it. That's a meme right there. That was it. And it has been meme. That's fantastic. There there that's fantastic. And I felt the tone in that picture. You didn't have to say a word. I felt that tone. It's our dump, Neil. You and I talked about it. It's our dump. Over dump. Yep. All right. Ha ha. He he everybody's here. That's the shot. That doesn't even that doesn't even apply to the game. Spenny. Spenny, how many drinks is that, bro? Oh, it's a lot. Started with a bottle of champagne, and then we hit it up a second best. Oh, yeah. A few drinks there. I saw it. I saw it. Second best first. Yeah. Then went to the game. Yeah. No, I started with-- Then you went back to second best. I started with a bottle of champagne in my boy's house. And then the second best. And then to the game. And then back to second best. What a legend. Yeah. What a fucking legend. So there's that. All right, Sean. Ha ha. He he who who. Let's cut the shit. All right. Yes. He's here right now. Yes. Here we go. OK. Let's just lay this down. You said no hail, fire, and brimstone. None of that. Well, allow me to step in then, Sean. Do it. Because here it is for me. Uh oh. This comes down to this. This is a Super Bowl window. We're in it. This team is in it. This team we're talking about today is in it. Absolutely. They're in a Super Bowl window. And the bottom line is the quarterback play wasn't good enough. Facts. So when you break it down like that, I don't know what you can do about it. But Lamar Jackson has a lot of questions to answer today. OK, I'm sorry. I was just kidding. I like how you did that. I was just kidding. I was engaged. I was just kidding. I looked at it. No, no, no, but he got a lot of money though. Quarterback got a lot of money. Lot of money. Lots expected. Super Bowl window. Deck Prescott needs to be better. No, for real. How do they keep dropping games at home like that? I don't know. textbook Cowboys lost yesterday. But no, no. Let's get into it for real. This is a home game. You know, this was a game against a NFC North division opponent. This is a game that they were favored to win. This was a game that if you're a team chasing a Super Bowl, you expect to win. Yes. And the 49ers got to be better. They got to be better. Got to be better. If you're a Super Bowl team, you can't lose that game. Can't do it. You can't, man. Can't do it. Can't have it. Can't do it. I'm doing winners. Can't do it. I can hear a single Terry screaming right now. I want winners. You get a contract for a quarter billion, hundreds of millions of dollars. And there's been a lot of questions about the quarterback. A lot of questions. Trevor Lawrence can't be like this anymore. Can't do it. No, it'd be like this anymore. You haven't been on this special day where they name the stadium after. You can't have it. You can't have it. Do you see his quote too? We sucked. Good for you, man. You suck. We need more guys like that. Yeah. We suck. Cool. Let's roll. We done joking. Yes. I hope so. I've only done you. I've only done you. People were saying that this guy has played at a top five quarterback level. Was among the leaders in touchdown passes last year. Was among the leader in passing yardage. We hear about it all the time. Joe Burles got to be better. They're owing to he's got to be better. Why does this keep happening every year with the Bengals? Why does this keep happening? There's a problem there. It puts you behind the eight ball. I don't know. I absolutely don't know. Here's the moral of the story. You want me to sit here and freak out. Sean, you said it best, man. We've talked about this. Both times we've been out at second best. This is the national football league. What if I told you that I'm not going to stand here and meltdown about this? Because I'm not. They out gained them over two to one. Why didn't they run the football checks notes? Over 130 yards rushing in the game. They had 82 plays to the Buccaneers 42. Guess what it was, guys. They went to the Red Zone seven times. Got one touchdown. Can't win like that. You know who said they can't win like that? Jerigoff said they can't win like that. Dan Campbell said they can't win like that. And everyone wants like a magic pill. A one response answer that's going to make you feel better about everything like that. They were one of the best teams in the NFL at scoring tuddies in the Red Zone last year. They were not good at it yesterday. And that is the difference in this league. And oh, by the way, this Buccaneers team has won eight of their last 10 games. They have. The Lions were better in every facet. And this will accept when it comes to punching it into the end zone in the Red Zone, Sean. If you go up and down the list of NFL football games and you take that stat, I'll be able to tell you the winner nine times out of 10. And I think the amazing thing is, I know everybody's going to make this about Jerigoff. And people like Spenny and I, the rehabilitated, this is supposed to be the golden opportunity for us to shake our finger and go, see, see what I told you, I ended up being right. No chance in how you're getting from me. It was but a step in a bunch of steps. And listen, we got to have a conversation about Ben Johnson. We have to have a conversation about Dan Campbell. We have to talk about two, two-minute drills that really turned into three different drives where you are shaking your head going. It's like when I punish my kids, right? When they're younger, I always wanted them to take lessons from it, right? And so when they would do something, a lot of times I'd give them the quizzical look and I'd go, what were you hoping to accomplish there? And then they couldn't answer it. And thus, there's your answer. And that's what I was left feeling watching some of those play calls in both halves. It was the end of the half and the missed field goal. And then the two different drives, you're looking at some of those play calls going, what are you guys trying to do here? What are you hoping to accomplish with that pass, especially when you don't have any timeouts and when the clock is not in your favor? So to me, it was more than Jared Goff, make no mistake about that. But this is the difference between this year and years gone by. I'm a big credit line guy, Neil. I'm a big credit. This team, this franchise, this group has earned, earned, a sizable credit line. And I can't hear people, oh, I remember you yelling at Joey and remember yelling at this and yelling at that. There was no credit line there. You were asking me to believe in something that had given me no reason to believe in it, okay? This team has a substantial credit line. And one of the funny things today, and I'm sure you've seen some facsimile of this, is all the lines could be one and three going into the buy, or this, that or the other. You know what? I'm going to worry about it when it happens, okay? I'm sorry, this team has earned that right. So let's take the wait and see approach. If they bounce back next week and go do what, now suddenly, so many people don't think that they're going to knock off the Cardinals, because the Cardinals are so good again. We'll have that conversation then, right? The whole week-to-week living is lost on me. Owning a rental property sounds like a dream, until you realize how much work goes into getting it ready. Determine a competitive rent price, market the property, schedule the showing screen, tenants drop the lease at a rent collection, handling its request, making a communication. Whew, sound complicated? 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And yes, they're going to happen at home. You're not going 17 and 0. No way, no how. Deep breath, relax, okay? If you want to say they're on notice now and you're worried about this, then that's fine. But the drama and the, I can't, oh my gosh, it's happening again. Pump the brakes hard. Full stop on that crap, Neil. Full stop. No, and that's it. And this goes back to what we've been talking about all summer long. We are still new money when it comes to fans and having a team with a credit line, as you say. Here's the difference in the NFL. Everyone wants to talk about the end of the second half, which it was egregious. No doubt. You know who stood there? Looked in your eyes and said that can't happen. The coach, yep. The coach looked you in your eye and said that can't happen. Okay, that's fair. Here's the difference in the National Football League. Patrick Mahomes yesterday. 151 yards passing, two interceptions. And they got away with it. Yep. They got away with it. They got away with it on a pass interference flag. That was, you know, probably pass interference. They got away with it. The Lions got away with it. Week one didn't get away with it yesterday. They just didn't. You can't go to the Red Zone seven times and come away with one touchdown. You can't do that against any team. You go to the Tennessee Titans and you do that. You're getting beat. You're getting, they drive Mercedes too, man. And if you want to sit here and say, well, you're making excuses for it. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, one more time, have won eight of their last 10 football games. They just have and it's hard to win in this league. And yes, I know they were a favorite. And yes, it just, it just seemed like they were fighting uphill constantly. Like that, that, that first interception were purely JMO was cut off. Yeah, purely. No doubt about it. You'll leave your contact all day long. The other interception, you'll never convince me. It was Patrick, right? Yep. You'll never convince me he ran the wrong route. He didn't run the wrong route. He'll never convince me of that. I heard it. You'll never convince me. But guess what you're going to do when you're up there and you're on that microphone if you're the Lions. You're not saying that. That's on me. That, that's what you say. Because that when you're a leader and you have a good culture and you have a good team, that's what you say. You say that's on me. If a graphic gets effed up on this show, I'm not going to sit there and during the show and go spendy, what the hell, man? Not doing that, dude. Because that's not how, that's not how life works. Except for that graphic right there. Spiny don't miss though. No, Spiny, yeah. But you get what I'm saying. Even though when someone tweets at the show who they're going to tweet at, they're going to tweet at me and say, why was that messed up? I'm going to say, hey, man, I didn't get it right. I thought we're, I, I called for different graphics. I'm going to cover for you, man. Because that's the way that it goes out there. When you're, when you're a squad and you're a leader. And you're the guy in a house. Keep that shit in house. Yeah. You'll never convince me. And those are the moments at flip football games. You can overcome one, you can overcome two, but you can't overcome three or four or five. We talked about it in the pregame show yesterday. And I'm so glad that you hammered home the fact that like, this just in, Tampa's pretty good, right? Try and say it, yeah. They're pretty good. And Neil, that was the first thing I said to you yesterday at second best. By the way, come out there. It's a fantastic time. Great spot. That was literally the first thing that I said to you. Are we all guilty of overlooking Tampa a little bit? Yeah. Everybody and their brother was guaranteed victory. Now listen, please don't get me wrong. I thought the lines were going to win too. Okay. I did point blank. I thought that, but that vibe was real. And Neil, it's funny that you brought up what happened with the Sensei KC game. Okay. Because when the Lions got their break late, when Tampa got the ball back and you thought the game was over and they threw for it on third down, the Lions got away with one. Let's be honest. We're going to play that. You missed that call. You missed that. That is a hook that should be called every single time. And I thought to myself, see, this is what good teams do. Now we're ready to. We're going to get that meal on the stove. And we're going to do some cooking because we're getting the ball back with plenty of time. And they're going to dial up some stuff. And we're going to end up in the end. It wasn't meant to be. But that's what you have to do in positions like that. And that's exactly what, look, KC got arguably a gift. I think it was a call. I think it's a call that they should have made. Quite frankly, I think they should have made that call against the Lions yesterday on that third down. But you have to take advantage of those opportunities and the Lions didn't. And it's okay. They're one in one. The season doesn't change after that. This is not a team or regime. Trust me, I've seen this shit. Okay? That the second adversity hits, the head goes down like that. Where you're in that locker room, and it seems like you're at a visitation for a gosh damn funeral in the third week of October. This isn't that team. This isn't that culture. Again, don't come at me or Neil or anybody in here with, well, this is going to happen if that's going to happen. Why don't we all wait to see? I know you're convinced you're going to be one in three by the time the buy comes. Why don't we wait and see we can have that conversation then accordingly. But I refuse to overreact today. It's not going to happen. It's just not going to happen. No, the books took it personal. That's what I was going to say. They took this game personal. And for the people like, look, Woodward's sports chat thread, jump into there, and I welcome all the messages. Everybody that wants to say, even Ryan Lentz, who's my guy? Easy. Everybody that's in here, man. You guys are one in the old bits, and that's cool. I'm here for, we can have the discussion. We can certainly have the discussion. Chuck Brewer, Neil, the real question, are all those fan bases as toxic as ours? Yes. Do we have a toxic fan base? Yes, absolutely. 100%. This is, yes. 100%. 100% are. Yeah. Circumstances have pro-toxidant. Absolutely. Like, I don't apologize for anything I've done in the past. I don't. I feel like, you know, whether it be the dumb march or nicknames or anything like that, those were the circumstances. Yeah. And what I'm trying to say right now, the circumstances are different. Are different. It's not fair to hang these guys on the sins of the past. It's just not fair, and I'm not going to do it. No. Kyle says, lions have the best offensive line in the league, with two at a monster and gives him Montgomery, run the damn ball. Chex notes. 27 carries, 139 yards, 5 yards per carry. Yeah. They ran the ball, guys. They did. They ran the ball. I get it. And if you're going to question that, then you've got to question the guy. You've got to question Ben Johnson. And I'm not going to do that. Because I'm going to be consistent about the way I feel and what I think about this organization. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to hold Ben Johnson hostage over that game yesterday. Not doing it, man. So all right. I know. We've got to get to the break. You get your thoughts in there in the Woodward Sports chat thread. Subscribe to the Woodward Sports YouTube channel. Those of you that are new checking us out. We're in everybody. We're the number one sports network in Detroit. We're glad that you're here. Tell them about Dispo. 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Because the team stinks, right? Because it's over. It's over. We should pull all the football stuff off. Shopped out, WorldWorksports.com. You know what? Effit. Tigers playoff run. When we come back, get the Tigers stuff. Get the welcome to Detroit stuff. Pull it. Stick. You hear me back there? Get all the Lions-based merchandise off. Shopped out, WorldWorksports.com. That's aggressive. Back at it. No tires. Big energy. WorldWorksports Network. You'll rule Sean Belizeh in every Monday of Lions season. You're with us on Sunday by the end. Thousands of you were tapped in yesterday. Thousands. Thank you, by the way, and second best. Everything. Fans were out there and everything. You guys are supporting WorldWorksports Network. Chicken sandwich was good. Chicken sandwich was phenomenal. Solid. All of it. KG's in the house. Young Justin left school. I got the cheese curds. Did you really? The second best. Those were really good. They were like, garlicky. Okay. What about that hot dog you had at Ford Field? The hot dog was good. They were playing it now. Yeah. Let's do it. For those that don't know, I went to the game with Spenny yesterday. Yes. It was an experience. It was fun. What kind of experience was it? It was a lubricated experience. Pause. Yeah. Let's see. What's up, everybody? You know, rule big D energy here with Spencer Raxter. He's got the hot dog. Spenny, we smashin' it. There's one bite. There's one bite. Hurry. They're going to run a play. Spenny, hurry. Hurry. Jerry Gough, handoff. David Montgomery puts it back. Gongses it outside. Solid gain of four. And all that. In the time it took Spencer Raxter to eat a hot dog. He's the truth, everybody. He's got mic and a-- Those are nasty. But hey, the hot dog game was strong. Of course, man's loves mic and a-- Boom, man's. Nothing more on Brandon Mas, like in Mike and I. Mike is so good. Yeah, he is not a party until Mike and I show up. I love it. Let's be honest, it just isn't. It's not a party until Mike and I show up. That was impressive, Spenny. Yeah. That was impressive. Thank you. Yeah. Like we should deposit on you a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. A little bit. Nasty ass, huh. Neil, that's how I'm brand for Mas. You like candy corn? I feel like they're in the same family. Listen, no. Mike and I say candy corn, no. Don't do that. Don't do that. Yeah, Mike and I suggest it. Don't do that. Don't don't do that. I'm sorry. You're let's let's compare the ingredients, shall we? I'm sure that's simply other than the right 40. That's in the Mike and Ike's. Yeah. They might have similar ingredients. It's not good to say. Mike and I do not taste like candy. Mike and I are good at it. Well, no, they use different chemical chemical based. Well, sorry. Anyway, let's get into it everybody. We are back at it. Big The Energy Woodward Sports Network. OK, you know what? I wanted to get into the game, Sean. I wanted to talk about the game. But now the chat wants to go this way. So you know what? Epic, let's go this way because it won't die. One funky Lions fans. Golf Slappies can't face the truth. Call people names for calling out golf. Y'all are pathetic. Mike G, we can challenge golf. Just don't turn the ball over and we win that game. Ryan Lenson, the back has it. So let's just let's just give you all what you want right now. OK, it was a long winner for you guys, wasn't it? And I told you guys this. Remember, we did the poll. We did the poll like two weeks ago. I said, you guys were all still here. All of you. It was a long winner. But here you are, you've just-- Hey, everybody, we're back. What's going on? Golf hater here. We're back. You guys, we're going for a long time. But look at you guys are all back right now. So let's have the conversation, Sean. When does Hendon Hooker start? Arizona, first team reps tomorrow in practice. Break it down, Sean. When they lose at Arizona next week and at Frisco, I think the bye week comes-- or excuse me, again, Seattle. Seattle. I think the bye week comes at a perfect time to work Hendon Hooker in. There you go. So coming out of the break, the Hendon Hooker regime starts out. The era begins. Yeah, it does. That's just the way it goes. Hey, I'm going to say it again, Neil. I was one of those guys, OK? And I stand by the fact that he wasn't good at the tail end of his Rams tenure. He wasn't good when he started here. The reality is, if you put a guy in positions of comfortability, it's amazing how much better a guy can be. Now, again, no quarterback likes to be pressured. Some quarterbacks deal with pressure better than others. Jared Goff is not one of those. But it's a full things can be true situation. If this guy's protected, if this guy has time, he can be a surgeon. He's shown that. He's proven that. Make no mistake about that. You're going to have these bad games. If it turns into two or three, we'll have the conversation then. We will. We will have the conversation then. I promise you. Gosh, Neil, I hope if I've shown anything over the course of my career, I'll call out anybody. I don't have a problem with it. This is not a bought and paid for situation. This is a team. And quite frankly, a guy that has earned a lit a bit of respect. And they have that credit line. So because of that, no, I'm with you. This would be a perfect time for guys like Spenny and I just sit back and do exactly what you said. Wow, I got killed by everybody. How are you feeling today? Sorry. This town, and I think this goes everywhere to me, Neil, but this town in particular loves to take the small and make it speak for the large. We've been guilty about it both ways. There's no doubt about it. I take that small sample size. Look at what this picture is doing. Oh my goodness gracious. Look at the rest of his numbers for goodness sake. Let's look at the whole. This guy the last couple of years, there's 100 more positives as the team as well. Relax. It's going to happen. And it happened against a good team. Yeah. It'd be one thing if you had your-- No, no, no, no, no. 42, 10, 42, 17, Lions will smash the box. No, Sean, don't lie. Don't sit over on that chair and lie. If this was the Raiders, OK? If this was the Raiders, and you had that eight and a half point on the Raiders-- And you were in a Super Bowl window? Right. And you had a quarterback, like a quarterback that everyone perceives to be good. And you were playing the Raiders at home and you lost? Oh my god. I'll go back to what I said at the start of our show yesterday. I honestly felt a lot of people were just kind of going like this. Tis-tis to Tampa. And look, that's what happens. It's the National Football League. Man, this isn't-- this isn't new. Is this your first spin around? Hey, listen, guys, if you're right, we'll see it next week. We'll see it the week after that. And then we have no choice but to confront it and go, uh-oh, uh-oh, some of those bad habits are popping back. Neil, we now have to have a conversation out. You're out your mind if you think I'm doing it after a game. It's just-- it's not going to happen. It's not realistic. It's not fair. It's not deserved. Was he good yesterday? Absolutely not. He wasn't. No doubt about it. And the seeing ghost stuff scares the shit out of me. I'm not going to lie to you. You know, we all know when Jared Goff starts seeing ghosts, OK? And that kind of-- if you remember that kind of creeped itself back in a little bit late last year, and then they got it back on the rails. But it's not happening after a game, man. It's not happening. Here's the deal with Misha, because we're in full fledged this mode right now. And I knew we were going to get here. I'm surprised it took 12 minutes, but here we are. And Sean, I'm going to lay it down right now. If you want to do that stuff, if people want to talk about, well, he's got to be protected. Everybody in this league's got to be protected. Every-- just keep it 100, everybody. If you're going to talk to shit, then keep it 100. Because I go off little things like facts, like last year when Jared Goff led the league and passing against the blitz. Led the league. Let me say that again. So your narrative is false. Your narrative is flat, outfall. Bring it-- bring it to me factually, everybody, because you can get your little talking points and go down your checklist all you want. We saw tons of examples around the league yesterday. I know we're new to this. I know we're new to the Super Bowl expectations. Patched my home super 150 yards and two picks. Lamar Jackson, the league MVP that you-- oh, we only had a mobile quarterback. That's all he can do. They're 0 and 2. They lost to the Raiders at home yesterday. That's where they are. That's the reality. The 49ers lost at Minnesota. That happened. These are your contemporaries, right? Super Bowl window. Super Bowl or bust. Ravens, Lions, 49ers, this is the water we're in right now, everybody. It happens in this league. And if you want to pop up all of a sudden out of the blue and be like, Jared Goff's terrible, then OK, go ahead and do it. But then keep it consistent. Keep it consistent. And you have to say, well, Joe Burrell's 0 and 2, he's terrible. Keep it 100 with everybody. Don't be on your bullshit right now. And your little checkpoint talking points that you guys all have. You make it like a political party or something like that. The way you just go to your list. Where's my talking points? Let me see. Incomplete pass. Oh, has bad arm. Leads, league, and deep passes. Ah, ah, bad against pressure. Go down to your list. He's awful against-- oh, you got to do his pressure on him. And you take him out of the game. No shit. Every quarterback in this league is like that. Look at the Super Bowl. My home's lost. 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Fucking Phil. Having a good day, Phil? Yeah. All the best. Hey, Phil, thanks for the click, man. All right. Appreciate you. Wouldn't be here without the sport of fans like you, Phil. That's right, Phil. I hope life gets better. The Shaquille oatmeal will still go all caps. We're still going to the Super Bowl MF first. That's a high feel about it. You see, you hit something, though, Neil. Whether people want to admit it or not, I don't care. It's inconsequential. This is new to all of us, OK? This really is. This is new to all of us. Even even going back in the day, there wasn't a season, and there weren't expectations like this. Maybe if you want to make the argument about '92. That's why in other fanbases, if Aaron Rodgers-- if Aaron Rodgers tells his fan base to relax, you know what most of people did? They chilled. And then Aaron Rodgers did Aaron Rodgers things. And the Packers did Packer things a lot of times at our expense. And there were the Packers back in the playoffs, and back is a viable threat. Now, did they finish it? No, they didn't but that one time. But we aren't used to this. Do you know what we're used to? We are programmed for failure. Whether we want to hear it or not, again, I don't care. It's all we've seen in our lifetime. Really, that's all that we've seen. Whether it be, look at us, we're in the playoff in an out-in-one game. These are waters that none of us have been in, none of us. Where you didn't win one playoff game, you won two playoff games. In seven days. And you go into the next season as a Super Bowl favorite to a lot of people. Favorite, not to win at all, but to represent the NFC. So at the first sign of adversity, do you know what happens? Our brains go back because that's learned behavior. And that's nobody's fault but the Lions fault, mind you. I'm not even blaming you for that. That's not your fault. That's how you were brought up. But what I'm saying and what Neil's saying is this is a new franchise. This is a new era. Your eyes aren't lying what you're seeing, man, over the past year and a half. Heck, you could go back to the second half of the 2022 season. Your eyes are not lying. So if you're one of those people, you're waiting for the other shoe to drop, just wait a little bit longer. If they're one in three heading into the buy, we're all going to have to have a serious conversation. We are, whether we want to admit it or not. Because then at that point in time, do you know what? That hopium flips to the other side. Then Neil has to sit up here and I have to sit up here. And I have to try to sell you hope when they're one in three. And that's a tough, tough thing to do. But today after one game, it's one game, man, relaxed, chill out. Honestly, that's, Neil, I don't get it. - I knew you were here. - I knew you people were here. I knew you were. - I love you people. - I knew you guys were here. - I knew you guys were here. I knew you were. Remember, we did the poll, Spenny. Because I knew this was going to happen. - Of course. - And, oh no, no, everybody's on board bullshit. Bullshit, here you are, everybody. - Listen, as a reformed, like me and Sean, we are reformed haters, we are, we are, you know, we're in the healing process. - You still go to meetings. - I don't go to meetings anymore. - You don't say the G word or the cover. But I think we, everyone can say that both things are true, that Jared Goff needs to perform better. He does flat out. - Yeah, Jared Goff said that. - Jared Goff said that. And, it was one game. I said this last year, when I was freaking out, after Thanksgiving, after Chicago, oh it's over, this is terrible, look how bad it is. I'm not gonna do that anymore. Like Sean said, this team established a line of credit to where I have the faith that they'll be better. I have the faith that they'll overcome the things that they did incorrectly and the things they did poorly. And, Ben Johnson was a big factor in that. Jared Goff was a big factor in that. Dan Campbell was a big factor in that. All those guys know that. All those guys hold themselves accountable. They're gonna be fine. - Can we put a pull up in the chat? I wanna do this as we go on. This just kinda popped in my head. 'Cause I gotta know, does Ben Johnson suck now? Yes or no? - Not at all. - Put it in the chat. I wanna, everyone's got that energy right. Everyone's got that big energy right now here in this chat thread. So I wanna know, are you talking about or are you being about it? 'Cause Ben Johnson sucked now. - And let's be fair. I'm willing to concede. I openly admit this and I don't want anybody to misconstrue. Yes, no quarterback likes to be pressured. Yes, no quarterback likes to be put in positions of uncomfortability. A lot of quarterbacks handle it differently. Jared Goff is not one that handles it well. You're absolutely right. And this is a both things can be true. Like, Neil, I'm not saying you're wrong. What quarterback? - Hey man, I really love when they blitz me. Said nobody, okay? Some-- - My favorites when Aaron Donald would break free and be chasing-- - And I love when my man, I love when he's up in my grill. It just brings the best out of me. - Sean, when that nose tackle comes through and I have to throw off my back foot across the middle. It's my favorite spot to be doing. - So are guys handle it better? Like, Peyton Manning was a guy. Everybody knew that was a guy because of his work. Yeah, he doesn't wanna be in that position but he's gonna make you pay. Patrick, Jared Goff isn't in that area. But here's the beautiful thing about this game of football. How often is this guy in positions of uncomfortability? And if they happen and spending, I'm so glad that you brought up late last season. I really am because you saw it for a couple of weeks. We all shit our pants for a couple of weeks. We all did, we all did. Whether you wanna admit it or not, maybe you didn't verbalize it, but you were like, "Oh, that was fun, we're gonna get, "we are just gonna get roped by Matthew Stafford." And then guess what? They kept Jared Goff clean and they allowed him to take the scalpel and literally make those surgical moves that he can do. I have faith and trust. If we do, if this offensive line is as good as we all say it is, and I don't think anybody argue that too much, I feel pretty good about them keeping Jared Goff in positions of comfortability. I really do. I feel really good about that. - Well, we're at sports chat poll. Does Ben Johnson suck now? - 18% of you say yes. Okay, let's go to the next level. - How we got it? - Does Jared Goff suck now? - Okay. - He's been sucked to a lot of people. - This should be right, this should be what? 60% yes? - Probably. - Should be? - I can't wait for this. Does Jared Goff suck now? Second in the league in yards last year, fourth in touchdowns, won you two playoff games in seven days when you went seven decades between win and two playoff games before. I can't wait for this one. This one's gonna be fun. Here's the bottom line with all this, Sean. And I wanted to do the football stuff. I wanted to take a look at it, and I wanted to get in depth and say, "Hey, man, how did this really break out?" Because there is one thing, there is one thing that the coaching staff did yesterday that I was really upset about, that I do want to get to at some point today, but we can't have those discussion because we got to get through this shit all the time. But here we are, Sean. The bottom line is this, because somebody here in the chat, big M, F the credit line I've been there before. I end up closing that account on them for default. Big M, here's the deal. Two Halloween's have passed since they've lost back-to-back games. Two Halloween's. - Oh, can you compare a previous credit line to what this team has done? - There was no credit line in the game. - What credit are you on, man? - Right. - Like just chill a little bit, just chill a little bit. There is no credit line compared to what this team has done. None. And the problem that people like I had for so many years is you guys telling me I didn't see what I saw. Oh, you're being too hard on this Joey Harrington guy. Oh, this team's really good. Pay no attention to the lack of offense and all of that. Okay, this isn't a team like the 2016 Lions, okay? That started out nine and four and had three tough games to end the season and got pounded each one to go into the playoffs and go out meekly and very, very quietly in the first round. There is no comparison. I get it. You're emotional. I'm trying really hard to give you a big virtual hug right now. But don't say something like that, man. That's a really bad date. That credit was here. This credit based on what they did last year is there. If you want to close your account, cool. I'm not even going to argue with you over that. Don't compare that. They're two entirely different places, man. Come on, you at least give me that. At least give us that. Come on. You can't even do the virtual hug shit at this point. Like if I can't keep blaming, you know, the Lions, if they've changed, why can't we? Like we need to evolve as fans. They decided that they wanted to give a f about this franchise. So that's when I bought it. But why can't you evolve as a fan? 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That's 1-800 stay out and let them know Woodward's sports sent you. - All right, keeping to pushing everybody. Big D Energy Woodward's sports network, Neil Rule, Sean Belisian. He'll be in here every Monday for the rest of the NFL season. I can't wait for that. That's right. Certainly as well, the Lions pre-game show. Phil won't watch, but we hope the rest of you will. KG is here in the building. Young Justin making a celebrity appearance. Spencer Raxter as well. Shout out heavyweights, 5-7. But yeah, we're just getting into it and we're cutting this shit today. - Right. - Where are you at? - The off season, that was the type of therapy. Like this is, we end the shit now. - Absolutely. - Who cares? - What did, does Jared Goff suck pull into? - I think it was 83% no. - So 17% of the people think it's not. - 18% is 81% no. - 18% of the people think that Jared Goff sucks now. - Do you know, can I go back just a few years and KG, I'm sorry, I'm gonna use you as an example. Okay? - Feel free. - Do you wanna know what a difference between, like say the Detroit Lions and say Michigan football is? All that winning. And that coincidentally drove guys like Neil, myself and spending nuts. Because there was a time, if the coach jumped up and yelled this is Michigan, people thought that added two extra wins, at least three points a game. All you gotta just say is, (speaks in foreign language) - Right, right? Everything's gonna be okay because I said this is Michigan. And we have all these recruits coming in. Wait, do you see these four and five stars? And Milky Waters is a six star recruit. Wait, do you see how great he is, okay? But you know what? The fan base ate that shit up. Why, why? - 'Cause it sucks. - Because you know what? There was a modicum of truth to that, whether we wanted to believe it or not, okay? They were Michigan. They were Michigan. That's what Michigan does. That's what Michigan did for years. They found a way, okay? Now again, we can have arguments about where they belong to the pecking order of national powers and everything, but more often than not. And so that's what I find fascinating, Neil, is maybe you're one of those people. Like, everything's gonna be okay 'cause we're Michigan. Everything's gonna be all right. This rich rod, trust me, this 335 thing's gonna work out real well, why? 'Cause it's Michigan. Oh, Brady Hope came home. Pay no attention to what you're seeing. Brady Hope's home, he gets it. - Michigan man. - He's a Michigan man. He's from the tree, the holy tree. So everything will be okay, why? Because it's Michigan, okay? And then it wasn't. And it wasn't for a long time. But in the back of your head, you know what you held onto? This is Michigan, and eventually we're gonna get it right. And I can't blame you because they are a brand. And brands, you have to work really hard to make brands go away. And conversely, this is why I empathize with a lot of you. The Lions have become a brand. They were a brand. Whether we want to admit it or not, the Lions were a brand. I can't tell you how many times I had conversations with people from other markets, media members who are paid to do pre-game, post-game, television shows. And I would tell them, do you understand the Lions have one playoff win in the Super Bowl era? Ha ha ha, that's funny, ha ha ha. I'm not laughing. What are you talking about, man? One, no way. No, one, look it up. - Other fan bases refuse to believe. - They would not believe it, media members. Listen, I'm gonna call them out. - The voice of the Minnesota Vikings didn't believe it. I had that conversation with him. And he was like, no, no, no. I go, dude, look it up. And like literally, he came back to me and he was like, holy shit, somebody from Cincinnati. I had a conversation with Cincinnati where they were telling me, nobody's had it worse than us, man. Mike Brown, Mike Brown. And I go, okay, I want you to pick one of the years you went to the Super Bowl. Just one, just one of the years you went to the Super Bowl. - All right, how about the year we played at the Silver Bowl? I go, do you understand in the span of a week that you had more playoff wins than we've seen in our lifetimes? - Well, that's just not true. - Okay. - Well, this is where I need you to go do a little homework and then come back to me and find out what you find out. So, Neil, in a certain regard, I get it. I empathize. I do, really, I truly do because this is what we were brought up in, okay? Why is it so hard to say maybe it's different because it is, that as Neil said, they won two playoff games in the span of a week. Where a lot of you watching this right now, don't remember one. I had won one, one fucking playoff win, won. - Ever. - Ever. That's it, in my life. And that's why I joke with you all the time. Like, when this happens, not if, when this happens, I will do a dance on my grandfather's grave. I will, I love my grandfather, Missy Grandpa, but he told me all the time, don't waste your time. - My uncle was the same. - It's a lifetime of heartache, don't do it. So, again, this is what, don't listen to me. Don't listen to me. Don't listen, I just went through this big rant. Neil's going through all these, what are your eyes seeing? What are your life experiences seeing? Like, you can't, it's unarguable that it's different. Now, if it reverts, then the onus is on us. We're assholes, we're wrong. If we tell you five weeks from now and the lions are struggling mightily, your eyes aren't seeing what they're seeing. That's on us at that point in time. And I think that's what pisses people off. A lot of times people in media will tell you you're not seeing what you're seeing, okay? This was a bad game. Anybody out there want to deny it? Anybody, any of you guys? - No. - Anybody? Anybody want to put that in a frame and go, "Oh, we got some great memories." Spencer, you remember that great game at Tampa? - You ate the hot dog. - You ate the hot dog? It was the best of times. Nobody's saying it. It was a bad game, okay? - And Sean, that one playoff win was with Barry Sanders on the team, correct? - Yes. - Arguably the greatest lions of all time. And now, we have a team that won two playoff games and now we want to jump shit. Like, I don't get it. There's been no stock that has been put in this. It doesn't make any sense. - I don't get it. I don't get it. Okay. - Well, I promise you, I promise you. Like, as sure as I'm sitting here, you have my word. Let's revisit this very conversational month from now. Okay? A month from now. Mid-October. If the lions are languishing, shame on me, shame on Neil and shame on everybody in this room. If we can't call their shit out. That's on us at that point in time. And right now, it's on you. - The flip side of that coin, Sean, guess what? The game of Arizona next week is a coin flip. For real, everybody. It's a coin flip game. They just beat the piss out of the Rams. - Yeah, they are improved. - It's trying to tell people. People thought I was crazy for having that as ill. - From the same guys that brought you the Houston Texans last year. Spencer Raxter, Neil Rule, that brought you the Houston Texans last year. Spenny, what did we say in July when we started looking around the league? - That a damn good draft. - They had a damn good draft. And all that draft capital, they got, 'cause they're the ones that kind of enabled the Texans to do what they did. 'Cause they did the trade that let 'em get Will Anderson. Now they got to harvest their crops that they planted. They're a much improved football team. Kyler Murray looks good again. And guess what, everybody? It's hard to win on the road. The game's gonna be a street fight. More than likely it's gonna be. Now here's the deal. When we come back, I wanna get into the football, because I did see something. And James, Spenny wolfing down that juicy, the following message has come from James in the chat. This is me reading this as James, everybody. Spenny wolfing down that juicy wiener has inspired me. Top five speared animals. Spenny is my spirit animal. And I know I will not offend him. - Womp, womp, womp. - There you go. So that one was pretty funny. Wilward sports chat thread, Honolulu BS. I lied in that golf pole. Golf doesn't suck. I just wanted to sway the numbers towards drama. At least you're honest about it. - Thank you, appreciate you. - Appreciate you're honest. Tip of the cap, bro. We appreciate honesty. It's celebrated here. Mr. Joe with the gringo. Yo, chill with the polls, man. It's hard enough to drive a message without half my screen card. Least your honest. We celebrate honesty here. I love it. No, when we come back, Sean, this is the segment I wanted to do. - All right. - It's the football stuff, because I did see something. And Spenny, I brought it up in passing. When it happened, I was upset. I was very upset about it, because I believe it flew against everything that we were told. Everything that we were told, it went against all of it. And I just, I doubt that the media asked about it. I would have, if I were in there, but I'm a media hack according to Phil. So I wasn't in the room. - Shout out for you. - So I didn't ask, but I'll ask a question and see if you guys can do it. Wheezy D313, I mean, Kyler's mobile and has a better arm. Golf without Reynolds. Okay, everybody calm down. Okay, all right, everybody calm down. - Honestly, KG, I think you and I had this conversation this summer. I think people kind of pound on him, Kyler. - Yeah. - Unmercifully. - Yeah, I don't, is he great? 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But Sean, Lions Fall yesterday. And I wanted to do the quote, the football thing. Here's the play that really bothered me. In the fourth quarter, the Lions in this is coming from the X or Twitter account, surrender index 90. Detroit decided to punt to Tampa Bay on the Tampa Bay 41 on fourth and seven with 13 minutes in the fourth quarter while losing by four points. With a surrender index, I don't know what goes into the surrender index, but whatever, of 44.14. This punt ranks as the 99.4% percentile of cowardly puns in the 2024 season and a 99% percentile of all cowardly puns since 1999. And the reason I bring this up is because, for the crowd and look, we know the fake punt which was incredible. I'm sad they didn't get points out of that drive. That crushed my soul. But the moral of the story is I was told that's why Jake Bates is here. I was told that's why he was here. I wanted that field goal. I was pounding the table for that field goal. It's literally why he's here. And I look around the league yesterday, Sean. And you guys know my famous, it's become the famous saying, field goals get you beat in the NFL. I have a caveat for that after looking around the league yesterday and seeing what went on. Unless you kick seven of them, then you can win. - Right, right. - Unless you kick seven of them. But with that being said, Sean, it's a 58 yard field goal from there. That's why he's here. I was told that. - Yeah. - I was told. It just, it seems so out of character. And my only question for it, and I'm not gonna sit here and crush 'em on it because the game flow was weird. When you look at the stats, they dominated in every facet of the game. Dominated, plays, yards, all of it. My only problem with it was, that's why Jake Bates is here and they didn't do it. And I just, I would like an answer for that. But I'm not in the room because I'm a, quote, media hack according to Phil. But Sean, that was my, you wanna question the golf thing and the Ben Johnson thing. That's fair, that's your prerogative. That was my biggest takeaway. - We, you know, we didn't plan it this way, but retrain your brain has become like a theme of the show, okay? And I think it starts with retraining your brain about the lines. I go back seven, eight years ago. Anybody with half a brain in their head realize that the NFL was changing before our very eyes. And defense wins championships. The league doesn't like that. That's why they change rules. That's why they call the game the way they do now. And I don't think anybody's gonna argue that stuff anymore. This is an offensive league. It's predicated on pretty passing numbers and quarterbacks it can put up pretty passing numbers. Yeah, I don't care whether you like it or not. I think that's the way that it is. Neil, we have grown up in an era. And even guys like Young Justin and KG, we have grown up in an era where not that long ago, a dude hitting a 50 yarder made you go, wow. Wow, wow, okay? I heard a stat last night on Sunday night football and I have no reason to doubt the great Mike Turico, okay? But he dropped a stat last night. Field goals 50 and over this year. Kickers are a combined 22 of 26. This is not like a big deal anymore. Well, wait a minute. I'll interrupt you, Shonda, for CatSpot. This is a bad take. A miss 58 yard field goal flips field possession. The risk reward is not worth it. Okay, but time out, time out just a second. 58 yard field goals aren't a big deal anymore. 22 or 26, the league. Especially when you got a guy like him, you know? I mean, I think people look at that now. And again, our brains are like five, seven years ago. It's learned behavior, where you went, wow. Aren't we happy we got a guy like Jason Hanson that can go hit a 50 yarder? And then the Annie got up. The Annie got up with Prater, okay? And there are a ton of Praters. That guy in Dallas is gonna hit a 70 yard field goal one day. It's going to happen, right? Like, remember I said that, seriously. He's going to hit a 70 yarder one day. You're seeing guys routinely hit, whether it be Baltimore, whether it be Dallas. You're seeing guys routinely hit field goals in the 60s. Neil, you're absolutely right. For all the back and forth about baits in the off season, okay? I'm worried about them from those in a mirror. And that's me. Like, I'm gonna be fair about it. That was me. I was like, okay, well, you did this in the UFL in front of 30 people at Ford Field. This is different now. There's 68,000 people in there, men who bled for this last 60 minutes, limped off the field. Their fate hinges on you doing this. And he's been perfect. He's been absolutely perfect. I don't have the numbers to support it, but I would love to see what the conversion rate is with Field goals 55 and plus. I mean, because 50 and plus for them to be 22 or 26 right now, this is a different league. I mean, length is real now. That could turn into a drop. Length is real now, okay? You see it each and every week to the point where, I mean, honestly, when's the last time you were, you were surprised at a dude banging a 55 yard field goal? You're not. It's almost a job requirement now. You don't have a job if you can't hit 55 now. It doesn't surprise you anymore. So, Neil, in that regard, to be honest with you, when that drive happened, I thought they were just going for it. That's what I thought too. Honestly, I thought they were going for it. That seemed like a prime Dan Campbell. I put faith in my guys. This is why the room loves him. Whether you guys want him in or not, I trust my guys. I trust my guys. I don't give a crap if it's fourth and seven. I trust that my guys are gonna dial up the right play on the sideline and my guys on the field are gonna execute it. He loves that stuff and the team loves him because of it. So, if you were to kick the field goal, I wouldn't have lost any sleep over it. Attempted the field goal, I should say. But to be honest with you, I thought they were just going for it on fourth and seven, especially after the negative play. Cat spot, because it comes back to this then. Okay, you got what you wanted. He played a conservative and guess what? They got the L. Right. Played a conservative, right? That's why Jake Bates was here. That's what I was told. Not, I hear you. And you already know, I'm on the Jake Bates flag. 100% would kick it too. You're a founding father. Oh, absolutely. And I thought they would kick that field goal there, much to, like you thought, because he does have that kind of range. But I do understand the game situation, not to totally agree with cats. But, I mean, it's fourth quarter. Time's dwindling down. Temple eight. There's 13 minutes left, man. Oh, well, yeah, but they had a lead. You didn't want to necessarily risk that field position if they miss and put your defense in a bad position. No, no, no, no, no. He's here now. I can't hear and he's got the lead. Do we, do we know are you going to kick that? But that's up to the coach to make that call. And that's, that's my own. If he goes out there and misses the kick, so be it. But that's up to the coach. Yeah, if you guys want me to get upset about something, that's the thing I was upset about. Yeah, that's why he's here. I don't want to hear that shit. Yeah, that's why he's here. I pseudo-agreed of because the type of game that he called, aside from that fake punt, was a pretty much conservative game. So I did expect to see Jake Bates, but maybe come out there for a second. People wanted, right? You want conservative. Well, there you go. There. That's what you got. It works. It's a double-edged sword. I mean, when it works, it works when it does it and it doesn't. So there it is. I was surprised by that. Yeah. I was. I would hold it against them though. That's what I'm saying. I was like, "Spenny, they should kick this field goal and we should get more drinks." Mm-hmm. We did both, right? We did. [LAUGHS] Yeah. Before you cut to break, there's actually two things of breaking news currently that just happened. Well, when news breaks, we break in. One for Michigan and one for the Red Wings. Oh, yeah. Michigan has announced that Alex Orgy will be starting at quarterback against USC this weekend. Oh, thank God. They had no other choice, though. [LAUGHS] Hey, what's with you? I like your chances a lot with that kid starting against USC. This is not even news. What else were you going to do? For the record, that is Sean Belizean with that tone. I know you hear tone and you automatically think it's me. It's not. What the Red Wings do? I know they sign somebody, right? The Red Wings sign, Jonathan Bergen, to a one-year, $825,000 A.E.V. Berger's back. Yep. [LAUGHS] I mean, I'm happy for Berger's to be back, but I want Mo and Raymond to be selling them. It leaves $16.8 million in cap space for-- That's where they're at? Raymond and Cider. OK. So there you go. All right. Yeah, we're doing it, everybody. No, but we're talking about the football set. I do want to take a spin around the NFL, because that's what we do on Mondays. Again, if you have your thoughts out there, get them out there, and we'll definitely take them into account. Now, this time, tell them about Mark White. I will tell them about Mark White, because if you are dreaming of a new home but feeling the financial pinch, all you have to do is go to Mark White, because he will save you up to $5,000 on your new home. That's right. I said, $5,000 in closing costs, call Mark White at 24-8-290-8242, or visit him at markwhitecells.com. Again, that's 24-8-290-8242. Mark White will make your dreams come true. All right, guys, guess what? 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All right, that's all you can do. Intern Justin, who just bagged out of class at Western Michigan and just hanging out. So respect to him. Spencer Raxter here, all of you at East Formula One. Monday's with Sean. Yeah, I like that. Monday's with Sean. Shout out. Yep, shout out. It is time to just take a step back from the Lions, and it's been all Lions to this point. We'll get back into the Lions. There is no doubt about this, but I know Sean likes this. I know he likes it because I stole this from his media career. It's a great bit that he did. And all you got to do is give something a different name, but do the same thing. That's what I found in this business, and you can adopt it as your own. Do what you need to do? It's time to go around the NFL, Sean. What did you see around the NFL this weekend? Can I go first? Yes, I will go first. Here you go, Sean Belision. The Minnesota Vikings. Two and oh, in first place, the NFC North, just like we all thought. Oh, who didn't see that coming, right? Yep. No doubt about that. Listen, props. I mean, I don't want to hear about CMC being out. Sorry, injuries happen in the National Football League. And you have backtober anyway. So drop that stuff. Nobody's going to feel sorry for you in this league. That's another undeniable truth. Good for that. Do I think they have staying power? Absolutely not. I'm going to say it again. I think they're lucky to have the best receiver in the game. And I firmly believe that Justin Jefferson is the best receiver in the game. But that's got to jump out to you, right? The Vikings on top of the division. Will the Lions ever catch the Vikings? I'm not so sure with all the upheaval going on. No, because purely they suck now. So the run is over. Again, we're Tigers pregame here, the rest of the way out. No, but seriously though, Sean. And it is very NFC North centric. And damn it, the Packers won with Malik Willis. And I knew they were going to. I knew they were going to win that game. Who wants to apologize to him first? Who wants to get in line? Anybody want to apologize? He was 12 of 14 for a Buck 22, man. Like really, that's a reality. So I mean, anybody that want-- OK, the rear floor. Come on, he was 12 of 14 for Buck 22. Congratulations, you won the game. But I don't think anybody's going to rethink their position on Malik Willis based on what they saw yesterday. But the Packers won with Malik Willis. That's what they do. They're a good franchise, whether we want to-- They're like the Mike Tomlin of franchises. They really are. That's a great analogy, dude. It is. And that's why that's a fame base that can go relax and their fan base is going to. Look, they were ready to go jump into Lake Superior last year. And then the Packers got going. That's what good franchises do. And that's what the Detroit Lions are trying to do. I got one for you. Didn't everybody know that David and Derek Carr at quarterback for New Orleans were going to be a juggernaut? Everybody knew they were going to score on every time they touched the ball? Everybody knew that. And Alvin Camaro was going to say, actually stay healthy. And they were going to be a nonstop offense. Everybody knew that. Man, the National Football League surprises you each in every single week. No, Sean, the league is linear. That's true. And you continue to go one step higher than you went the previous year. And it's straight. There are no ebbs and flows. Gosh, I hate that thinking. Do you know who I blame for that around here locally? I'm serious. I blame the Pistons. No, I blame the Pistons for that linear thinking. I really do because back in the day, especially for the older generation, we have to find a way to beat Dominique Wilkins, OK? We have to find a way to beat the Celtics the next year. We have to find a way to beat the Lakers the next year. We have to win it again the next year. Like, honestly, it doesn't work that way. That linear stuff just does not work. It's sorry, I've seen it time and time again. It drives me nuts, man. World Sports Chat, they're at DNC ENT. San Francisco is now 0 and 12 since 1994 in road trips to Minnesota. DNC ENT, you told us on the pre-game show yesterday, they were due. Your words, they were due. I told you the Ravens were due. I thought that was a gift from the heavens above. As somebody called me out on Twitter, you're absolutely right. That's the national football league. It's why people like me don't bet a lot. Because you can look at every number and every number suggests this and every number suggests that. And even Vegas has them as an eight and a half point favorite. And that's the national football league, man. I don't know, to me, it's not a new phenomenon. Neil, it really isn't. It's not a new phenomenon. Well, Sean, that's why betting on college is better. But that's not why I-- 100% I couldn't agree with you more. Hey, shout out my four and a weekend this weekend in college football. But that's not why I'm here talking on this mic. I want to bring something up that I will give Neil as far as forward. I was locked up with him. It was the Los Angeles Chargers. And the way that they are just Michigan and the NFL. He's running the playbook. And they have, honestly, I want to say it, the best tackle duo in the NFL. Yes, they do. And they are going to be a problem moving forward. He walked in the door. First draft pick right out of the rip and loaded the other side in a way they go. And now it's J.K. Dobbins. And I bet you J.K. Dobbins stays pretty healthy this year. He's already healthy for J.K. Dobbins. And remember that people clowned someone on this network. I don't know who he was. But I think he's very handsome and he lost his voice a little bit over the weekend. That guy that said Joe Alt would be the best player drafted in this draft class. You said it? It's on wax. It's on wax. And there were factors that went into it because you know what he's walking into. And it was just set up for him. And there's Jim Harbaugh. And here's Neil. Oh, Neil's the Michigan hater. He, he, he, he. What have I always said about Jim Harbaugh? He's an elite football coach. A elite. He's a weird ass dude. He's socially awkward. But he can coach his ass off in football. And it's never going to work there. And Justin Herbert, by the way. Justin Herbert. 130 yards. That's why-- He's Malik Willis playing. He's Malik Willis now. Owning a rental property sounds like a dream until you realize how much work goes into getting it ready. Determine a competitive rent price, market the property, schedule the showing screen tenants, draft the lease at a rent collection, handle maintenance, request, maintain communication. Sound complicated? 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Now, he has a lot of work to do to change the chargers going. Charger mantra. I mean, that has been going on for decades now. How many times have we seen the chargers get off to a great start or have a great season, and then fall flat on their face come play-off time? I mean, the Ladanian Tomlinson teams, the Phillip Rivers teams, some of the Justin Herbert teams. But you know what? All of a sudden, you've got a lot around Justin Herbert. Well, guess what? Neil, to your point, Justin Herbert doesn't have to go out there and throw the ball 50 times a game. He doesn't have to put up 395 yards, et cetera, et cetera. Play within the offense, find a way to win the game. I'm not saying that they're an AFC favorite or anything like that. You know what? I thought that was a pretty favorable situation to walk into for Jim Harbaugh. And so far, again, it's early. So far, that's looked good. If they go in and beat the Steelers, then they're 3-0, like cat spots, like ragging on them about the schedule they played so far. This is the NFL, man. You're playing NFL team. They beat the Raiders, beat them down pretty bad, who didn't have a problem going in and taking the Mars launch money. That's fine, yeah. Weird league, everybody. Weird league. I miss you, dog, but lick my balls. All right, fair enough. Spenny, what did you see, man? I saw that the NFL is a shit show this year. We'll figure out what's going on. I mean, for real, though, that's what it is. That's the league. It's having a given Sunday for a reason. You're going to have to take everybody seriously. The lines need to dial it in a little bit. And maybe the preseason is more important than we thought. I'll go back to the pregame show yesterday, too, Sean. You know what I saw? That we all saw intimately? We saw a football team that's won eight of the last 10 games and come into Ford Field and win as a seven and a half point underdog. And we saw-- we saw Baker Mayfield. And is he going to win an MVP? No, he's not going to win an MVP. Is he going to win a Super Bowl in Tampa Bay? Probably not. No, he's not going to win a Super Bowl in Tampa Bay. But I will say this. And in Spenny, it was one thing. That was one of the takeaways from watching the game to me. That sideline F's with him. And he F's with that sideline. And you can tell because the guy's going to go out there and say what you want about Baker Mayfield. Say what you want. He's going to go lay it down out there. He'll lay it all down out there. Playing the best ball of his career. And he's a great-- he's 30 million bucks a year, Sean. Yeah, you know, I'm not a huge Mayfield fan. But you know what? You put him in the right spot. And he's going to do things like that. Put him in Cleveland right now. Yeah, listen, that's just-- Put him in Pittsburgh. It is amazing, though. Going back to what Spencer said, how much this league has changed, OK? Back in the day, really, not that long ago, we didn't see, quote unquote, a lot of surprises. And we certainly didn't see surprises. Oh my gosh, where did this team come from? Nobody saw this team going 10 and 6. Or in today's era going 11 and 6 and 10 and 7. You see it every year in the National Football League. And I say it again, this is a league that sells hope. And why is this league as wildly as successful as they are? It is because they sell said hope. And the way it's set up allows fans to have hope each and every Sunday, even for the shitty teams, and to stay in the race longer. You put extra playoff teams in there, and guess what? You have extra weeks of hope. How many times has we had lion fans have been sitting there going, all right, what's the mock draft look like in the last week in November? Usually post Thanksgiving. You know, Thanksgiving has traditionally been the coup de gras for our season, right? So we start to look at some of those mock drafts. Well, now you have added playoff teams. You add a game. All of a sudden, guess what? You're going, man, legitimately, we're still alive. Like I get it, we're 5 and 8 right now, OK? But if they lose it, he loses it. He loses it. And we win 4 in a row. And we win 4 in a row. All of a sudden, we're 9 and 8. And we got the tie break over him and him. And then those two teams play each other. The league love is this shit, because it keeps us all engaged, such as the power of the shield. And can I say one more thing about Baker Mayfield? Because I think it's important, because we do have a bias coming from Detroit. But I would say that Baker Mayfield is closer to Jared Goff. Then Jared Goff is to the upper echelon of quarterbacks in the NFL in terms of the Josh Allen's of the world, the Mahomeses of the world. Yeah, you can give me that look, Neil. But you couldn't tell me if you put Baker on the Lions last year that they probably still win a playoff game or two. No, because he's going to make that critical mistake. That's the difference. He's going to make the critical mistake. I'm not saying that they're even. I'm saying that Baker is closer than Jared Goff is to being a truly elite quarterback. Spenny, before we go to the break, chat poll it. Baker Mayfield and Jared Goff. Yeah, I knew this is going to happen. Yeah, right, get him out of here. Justin, get him out of here. Neil said it's true, don't be a prisoner to looking at the numbers, OK? Like last year, Mayfield only had 10 interceptions, right? He only had 10 interceptions. You take that all day. It's that critical mistake at a critical chunk. Of the season in, of the season in for the box. Right, that's the stuff that makes me go, OK, Baker, you can stay over there. That's somebody who's just strictly looking at the numbers. And as a recovering, stataholic, I openly admit it. And I still go to classes. Sometimes the numbers don't tell the whole story. And I think Baker Mayfield is a perfect example for the reason that you just gave. This is a guy that's going to fuck it up at some point. At some point. More shake it, more, more. But overall, overall, overall, overall. Yeah, he's a level guy. Like he can get you to a level. That's my opinion. For those stataholic meetings, that's at the local church on Friday night. Well, flannel, flannel gives opening remarks each and every week. He tells you why you should be a stataholic. They have the shitty coffee and the donuts and every-- It's terrible. Awful. All right, everybody. Poor Justin's on his way back to Kalamazoo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The kid drives all the way to Kalamazoo. And look at it, I see him walking away with his head down, like a scorn puppy getting in his car to drive back to Kalamazoo. Stick with the manager, he just pulled him, right? 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Young Justin has been banished from the chair. - Riding the park. - Spencer Raster is here. Stick has joined us though. - Yeah, hey. - Hey stick, look, sometimes you gotta make an executive decision. My only question to you is, next time you do it, can you do like a Broadway play and get the hook and pull them out of the chair? - I think we can do that. We can get that going. And then like the big powder thing I can run by and just smack him right in his face or his takes. Like what are we doing today? Besides proving that Jared Goff is the MVP of the Detroit Lions. That's all these complainers are doing to me. You're showing me how important he is to the offense. You're showing me how important he is to make this old damn thing click. - Kinda like he's the starting quarterback. - If he's the casual, right? Yeah, kinda like he is. Kinda like he's the starting quarterback that got us to an NFC Championship. - Yeah, it's kinda like you had a bad game yesterday. Both things can be true. - He did a bad game. But that doesn't mean he's a bad quarterback. That's where I draw the line. And if you guys go into the Woodward group chat right now. - The phone, Sean, be thankful. You're not on. - Sean, can I add you to it? - No, I told you I confess my sins. You cannot include me in that. - It's not as bad as the old days here. - No, I've confessed my sins. I was one of those guys. And here's a reality in sports, okay? I think what happens is you wanna plant your flag in. And stubbornness keeps you from whipping the flag out and saying, "Wow, a dude change." Much like KG, much like we were talking about the Detroit. Listen, the Detroit Lions were the worst franchise in the NFL. It was, to me, it was non-negotiable. It was non-debatable until they weren't. - Yeah. - And the same things with Jared Goff was a turnover machine. Jared Goff saw ghosts every game. Jared Goff, like, would make me wins watching him for a while. And then he didn't. - Jared Goff threw one bad interception yesterday. The other one completely justified, right? And everybody's sitting here telling me, "Baker F in Mayfield, did he even throw "for 200 yards yesterday?" - No, he was 12 of 19. He was 12 of 19 and four. - 170? - 185 yards with a touchdown and an interception. - A buck 80. - Dude's throwing a buck 80 and he's elite. And then the same people that were telling me Stafford played a great game. He picked apart the Lions last week. Well, didn't he throw 50 times for 300 yards? - Yep. - And threw a massive interception before the first half ended? But wait, I thought that was good quarterback play. Throwing 50 times and getting 300. This is where these fans, man, these fans, like... Justin, come here. Let's try this again. Come here. Come here. - He's gonna put back in a game. - He was such like a scorned puppy right now. You should see him. He's like literally shaking his head. He's so sad. All right, Justin. - Stick his coaching, right? - Trying to get it, Justin, let's go. - All right. This is my opinion, my opinion. This is definitely not influenced at all. This is my for real opinion. - Come on, kid. - You got it, kid. Come on. - Oh. - Oh, he's throwing golfs. Not that much better than Baker Mayfield. I don't care. - Okay, get off the tree. (laughing) - Oh, shit. - You know, you try, Neil. - All you can do is... - Oh, you can do is try. You can give these kids opportunity up. - All you can do is go off to the ball. Like he has to hand the ball. The skips coming out. - All right. - He's going to the pen right now. Like, who's in the pen? Let's break somebody else into the pen. - I really am hoping that kid, man. - No, but in all honesty, Jared Goss our quarterback. The lines are still going to the Super Bowl. If you're off the bandwagon this early, thank you. You've identified yourself. - And may have. - Yeah. And like the parasites of the world, like easy that have just been waiting to like latch on to something. - Yeah. - He's out there moment. - He's out. - He's been out. - No, no, he's out. - He's been out. - You see, he said Jared Goss had a bad game. - He's out. - That doesn't make you out. That's being reasonable. - Yeah. - That's out. - He can say the guy had a bad game. - He's back to the easy ways. - He can still inspect him to be a Super Bowl champion this year. - Yeah. - And a fraction in time, and sending it out. - Oh, did you see the receipt? I had to pull on Easy in the chat because he was running his mouth. - Woodward's sports chat thread CK may feel can scramble too. Got sacked five times for a loss of 39 yards. - Here's Easy, quarterback guru. Tweet from March 14th, 2022. Reasons the Detroit Lions will not trade for Deshawn Watson. Jared Goss has a dead cap hit of 30 million. We can't afford to move him at all. That's the tweet. Jared Goss is the cause of all your problems once again. Jared Goss is the cause of us not getting Deshawn Watson. Elite, Elite tweet by Easy. But no, he's not a hater. He's loved Goss this whole time. - Look at Neil face. - Spenny, do you want me to send this to you or just want to pull it out of the group chat? - No, I can grab it, yeah. - 'Cause it's real. I didn't make this up. I'm not good enough at making up tweets. I didn't have Ryan Photoshop this. - Deshawn. - But the reason we don't have Deshawn Watson, Neil. - What? - 'Cause it's Jared Goss. - He's the cause of all our problems Deshawn. - Listen, you and I had arguments about this years ago. Even if Jared Goss didn't become this Jared Goss, okay? You still love that deal. It was about the two picks and it was about saying, I know lion fans, the last word in the world you want to hear is patience. I get it. I don't want to hear it. But here's a guy actually playing chess. Brad Holmes is looking, not one move ahead. He's looking two moves ahead. And guess what? He's got two good pawns now, two first round bigs. Which by the way, became even better when the Rams fell flat on their face. So let's play pretend. Jared Goss didn't have this Renaissance. I still like that deal. I still like the deal. Because you have a quarterback who didn't want to be here. You got two first round draft choices. So thank you, Jared Goss. And I say that even before he had his Renaissance, it's not that difficult to figure out. Oh, easy. That's a bad take, dude. I got more. I mean, I can't go and there it is, boys, dude. Train for the shot, Watson. There it is. Jared Goss has been holding us back from 20. We could have just Sean Watson, you know, the guy that Joe Flacco replaced and went further with. That guy. But either way, I digress it. Love you, Jared Goss. Don't listen to these fools. Can we have like an investigation of what it's saying? He's getting his powers from those hands up. Exactly. Give him the massages again. He'll be top five. That's gotta be it, right? He'll be top five in the lead again. I would like put a thing in the corner of the like New Tokyo Moon and pretend that like it's one of those. Right? Tokyo. New Tokyo Moon in the corner of the locker room. And have somebody saying there and a massagey. Like do what you need to do. I got a spot for him right off telegram. If he want to get his powers back. I got you. Can we please go to break? Can we please, please, please go to somebody. Talk about Randy Wise. Somebody sell a car. Somebody sell a drink. Show you no food, whatever. The shot was it is called Rupp Maps, man. You can get your mojo back. He prefers it as the wings dry rope. Hurry. Siroky. Siroky. Hurry. Let me tell you guys about Randy Wise. Randy Wise. Not them other guys. How would you like to play with a legend like Darren McCarty, Kurt Gibson, Braylon Edwards, or Calvin Johnson? It's the Randy. Of course. Oh, yeah. You know, you can. 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All right, we're keeping a push on, but a big D energy, Woodward sports network, Neil rules, Sean Belizean, every Monday, KG Spencer Raxter. Stick has left the building. I don't know what happened. I think Justin is a, he took a more hack. Yeah. I think Justin just passed the zoo on his way back to Kalamazoo, right? I believe so. He's, he's a stick kind of gave him the Draymond Green, the Rudy go bear treatment. So I don't know where Justin went, but I'll be all right. Might be headed to New Tokyo moon. He may be, uh, Woodward sports chat thread, jump in to their, uh, click the like button since you're here. If you're new, you like what's going on, we do football coverage better than anybody. We are Detroit's number one sports network, Mason leech, Hey, Neil, I guess field goals don't get you beat because two field goals would have won us the game. The one where we punted on our side of the field would have, and would have kicked a field goal at the end there, which I'm not sure what that means, but yeah, seven trips to the red zone, Mason leech, one tuddy. That's what gets you beat. It happens all the time, all the time. Did you see, by the way, did you see the commanders yesterday, you know how they won that game, right? Seven field. Seven fields. Field goals get you beat unless you kick seven. Yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah. Let's watch. Right. In today's national football league, if that, if that's what you have to resort to, you are screwed, like you, you just are in an offensive league like this, you're, you're screwed. If that's, if that's what you have to resort to. Well, I just, it'll work against Daniel Jones, right? And that's where you can do it against Daniel Jones. When you, when you come back to it, like playoff teams and teams in your water, super bowl contenders, super bowl content, show me the time they got beat with seven field goal. Right. Yeah. Show me the time. Yeah. It does not happen. Let's go red wing Sparty. And this that easy tweet is more incriminating and damaging to a career than the Laramie tonsil gas mask. Yeah. Listen, I like all jokes is that easy. You're my boy. Okay. And, and spending, I think I can, I hammer Jared Goff and I'm not backing away from it. Rightfully show. He was not good in, in the last 10 year with the Rams. He wasn't good when he first came here, but you have to be honest enough with yourself to say, again, if, if a guy flips a script, you have to acknowledge it. I'm not doing my job unless I acknowledge it. So with that being said, even guys like me that thought that legitimately he was just a throw in, that thought legitimately he was just a throw in, that deal was, was a darn good deal from day one because of those picks. That's how you rebuild in the national football league. I mean, really, it's that simple. When you throw in the fact that he turned into what he's turned into, that deals awesome. It is a rare time where Neil, you have to say that as a win-win. The Rams got their Super Bowl. The Rams felt good, bad or indifferent. They could not win the Super Bowl with Jared Goff. Okay. They brought in Matthew Stafford. They. Among other things they brought in. Right. But, but period in the story, if we're going to sit here out at one side of our mouth and say the quarterback's the most important piece, we have to give Matthew Stafford his followers as well, they, he came in. They won the Super Bowl period and his story. Okay. They won. Like, you know me, Lion fans, I swear to God, I swear to God, I will never bag on the Lions again if they win one Super Bowl. That's it. I'm done. Ever. It's never going to happen. I just give me one, please. Lord, strike me dead if I ever do it. Like, on one, just one, that's all I want. So the Rams got their Super Bowl, the Lions got their pick, and they got a pretty damn good quarterback out of it who hasn't written his last chapter yet either. That's a win-win. You usually don't see deals like that in the National Football League. And easy didn't want to Sean Watson and he did come back on, he is on the golf train and he thinks he said multiple times, you know, they're going to win the Super Bowl this year with Jared Goff, but he was just saying he had a bad game this year or this last week, which is 100% fine to say. And the people that the people that can't admit that Jared Goff had a bad game and was one of the major contributing factors in them losing that game is what makes him so angry. And I agree with that. You can just like I wholeheartedly didn't play wholeheartedly believe Jared Goff will win a Super Bowl for the Detroit Lions this year. He had a bad week last year, but easy went back, Jared Goff's the one that said he didn't play a good game. Jared Goff himself said it. So that being said, easy showing tendencies from before. Is that fair to say? I mean, I would say that easy was pretty good yesterday. And this morning in the in the World Sports chat, he's he even called, you know, the big tweet incident that happened with World Sports Network. He even said that was a wild tweet. So I think he's getting better, man. You know, the upside to that is though it is that it is that universal lock step mentality that I hate as well. And I think that's equally as bad. You can you can love a coach pick a coach. You can love Jim Harbaugh. You can love Mark Antonio. You can love Dan Campbell and it's okay to not agree with everything that they do. That doesn't mean you love them any less. But there are some out there, no, he does no wrong, Neil rule, you are the idiot. Dan Campbell could possibly not have made a mistake. That's the kind of stuff like like I can still be all in and say, my man didn't have a good day. I can still think that Ben Johnson is one of the brightest, young, innovative minds still in the national football league and say yesterday was one of those days he'd like to have back. Owning a rental property sounds like a dream until you realize how much work goes into getting it ready. Determine a competitive rent price, market the property, schedule the showing screen tenants, drop at the lease at a rent collection, handle maintenance request, maintain communication. Whew, sound complicated? 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We did the poll. Is it over now? Yeah, absolutely. It is over, so I'm sorry. I'll say it. Hey, I love Ben Johnson, I love Dan Campbell, I love Jared Goff as a lines quarterback. None of those guys had good games. They are the reasons we lost. Period. Eight in hundreds then the defense and Aaron Glenn was the reason we were in that game. The reason we lost was because they threw the ball 55 times because Goff made bad decisions in the red zone and because Dan Campbell didn't kick that field goal and didn't make the right decisions at a coaching aspect. And that's, you know what, and this is me, this is my bad here, Sean. I did a bad job today and you just, you just reminded me of that. I did a bad job because, God damn it, Aiden Hutchinson played his ass off yesterday. Thank you, Dan. And in these four ass off yesterday, how good did he play? He went from 11 to one to be defensive player of the year to four and a half to one, according to Caesar's sports book, the official sports book of what were four and a half sacks in the game. Like, in three hours, he did that and he played his ass off and that defense played their ass off. And Terry and Arnold, still he's progressing and progressing. I'd take that flag any day that he was right with the receiver. He's going to have these moments, but it's okay. No doubt. No doubt because again, you go right to it. That was God winning Mike Evans. It doesn't get easier in this league. It just flat out does. He was right there with him. The defense played arguably one of the best games they played in a long time that I was trying to go through my mind and I think, you know, not like against the Giants or that bum ass Trevor Lawrence, Jaguars team or anything like that, like a legit, a team that had won eight to 10 games, played a legit game defensively. Aaron Glenn, they did a great job yesterday. They, they out gained him over two to one in yardage. They ran 82 plays to their 42. By any metric other than red zone trips and points, they beat their ass. One of my biggest pet peeves, and I think Spenny, I don't remember exactly who it was. We had a conversation. One of the shows in the summer, KG, I think you were here. One of my biggest pet peeves in this town is people wanting to put a guy on, on a plateau he doesn't belong, calling a good player, great, calling a great player elite and, and I wasn't trying to ruffle the feathers, you'll know when I'm trying to ruffle the feathers. But I, but I said, as good as Hutch has been, I think there's a next level there. Yeah, if you want me to call him elite, I want to see more elite and you know what, based on how this season is going, I think we're going to see that step. I really do. If the first couple games is a sign of things to come, I'll be the first guy that sits back and go, yeah, he's at that level now. I mean, he came a half sack away from the franchise record, a record that is stood, oh, by the way, for 41 years from a guy by the name of William Gay, half sack away from that. You saw it in real time, okay? And Neil, you know this, especially with the team that the logo you're wearing, whether you want to admit, Tiger fans are the absolute worst at this, at this routine. Looking at an average player and saying that he's a very good player, look into a very good player and calling him a great player. But I think it's kind of filtered down into other areas. Hotch is one of those guys, in my opinion, if you want to yell at me, you can, people were throwing the E word out there. They were throwing the elite word out there. And I was going, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I think he's a good player. I think he's a very good player. I think at this juncture of his career, there's a next level there. Wait a minute. You asked for a little more. I know. I'm sorta out of here. But you know what, get your shit and get out of here. Justin and I are going later. No, but no, all jokes aside. And again, sometimes people hear that. What are you dogging Hotch for? I shot. What part of very good player didn't you understand? Sean, I got 10 texts from people and social media messages. What do you think of Hotch now? I'm like, oh, so I was right. There is more in there. There is more in there. I don't. It was never hate. And it was misconstrued as hate. We 1000% knew that is this kind of player. We just need it to see him 100%. That's it. When you saw the flashes of it, you know, some of the Chicago game, when he took that game over, like when he took that game over, I was like, like he did yesterday. Gimme more. Yes. More of that is it. Yeah. Is there any and I understand he can't do it every play. 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For more info, go to Michigan Sports and Spine.com, Dr. Jeff Pierce, powered by MRI of Southfield as well. Final segment of the show, Big D Energy, Woodward Sports Network, Neil Rule, Sean Belizean. He'll be here every Monday on Big D Energy. KG, Young Justin is back, I guess he's not, he hasn't been placed on the highway back to Kalamazoo. Who's worried about you? Spencer Raxter as well. Hello. We're going to do the college football stuff tomorrow. We certainly will get into that Xavier D, same SOL losers want to golf gone after Thanksgiving last year to FU losers. Nobody wants them gone. Like, this is what it is. Easy, probably. Good defensive. Yeah. Stop being, drawing your swords when someone says he had a bad game. It's okay to say that it's okay to objectively look at this game and say he wasn't good enough. He's still the guy, he's still your quarterback one. He didn't play well enough. He needs to play better than that. We expect them to win a Super Bowl. The all or nothing shit is, is mine. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Barry Sanders, one Ted, minus one in a, in a, in a playoff game. Did you know that? There? Minus one. Get him out of town. Done. Over. I mean, this is a guy that is, forget Detroit. He's held on a pedestal everywhere. Most people are going to say who's the best running back you ever saw. Barry Sanders, some might throw in Walter Payton, some old, old dudes, my old man. Hey, he's no Jim Brown. I can still hear my old man's voice and everything. I was like, dad, you're out your mind. He had a minus one in a playoff game. You know, I like, it's okay. It happens in the National Football League. It happens to the great ones. It really does. Motown cool. The Bucks just wanted it more. They played like the Lions played last season. All right. Here's what this all boils down to before we get out of here. They didn't execute well enough to win an NFL game. Point blank period. Do they suck? Right. It's week two of 17 games. You have to play well to win in the National Football League. You have to. Sometimes you get away with it. The Chiefs got away with it against your god, Joe Burrell. We got away with it. We want to be honest. Aside from overtime. All right. I'm telling you, listen, I'm going to say it again. That's why I think they're going to be the first team, the first team to win through Super Bowls in a row. And I feel dirty saying it, but I can't change my mind that that fucking team finds a way all the time, under every circumstance, like I'm sick of watching it. Like it makes me sick to my stomach. That's why I think they're going to win the first team to win 3 Series Super Bowls. I do. The frustration for me is this. Everything played out the way you needed it to play out yesterday. The Niners lost. You know what I'm saying? Everything around you, because I still have my eyes on this grand prize. And you had a prime opportunity to get the leg up early. You had a prime opportunity to do it. And those are those are the consequences when you were in these waters and you have these expectations, the consequences of not playing well are damning. Yep. They were damning. And it's not over. It's not. Everyone doesn't suck. Like, I told you guys this was going to happen. Yeah, we said it. Guess what, everybody? They could lose again. This weekend, they could lose to the Cardinals. They could. And to be honest, if golf were to fall off a fucking cliff this year, he's still going to be the quarterback. That's it. Like, this regime is still going to be a place if the Lions go win 8 games this year. That doesn't mean they're a bad franchise at that point. So it is what it is. That's it. Tomorrow, we'll get into some college football, Michigan Wolverines, playing USC. Listen here. You have my full permission to get your shit off, do what you got to do. Do what you got to do. Why are you looking at me? Come on, Neil. Don't do that. We are team in the States of these Lansing, baby. No, that's facts. And you already know what you're going to do tomorrow, which is, it's justified. I'm telling you, it is justified. You have four runway. Do what you got to do. It's the dog. You're right. On it. On it. Get your shit off. Now, can I ask you a question? Not yet. But I talk, I talk, but when I told you this year was a washer, you was looking at me crazy. The writing's on the wall. Like you can, you can kind of see it. Do we get to ask a question about the dime? About the dime? Yes. You do. The dollar. No, the, the dime. Yes, not the Auburn. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. You're more on that Auburn highway than the Georgia highway. It is good being unbeaten. Yeah. It is bad. I don't know about you. It's bittersweet. Feels real good. It's good saying seeing the dime not being able to be a workhorse running back. Like I told you at the ally challenge. Yeah. Khalil Mullins for the win. I was told the bet on him doing the Heisman. It sees your sports book. That's what I was told. You ain't put your money down. So you're all good. They else told you cam war before the season started. So, yeah. All right. Sean, appreciate it. My friend. Always good run as always. I heard we're together Thursday. Yeah. Thursday back in here. And then of course Sunday. So check it out. There you go. KG young Justin. Amen. Thanks for rolling out, brother. Appreciate it. The way he pulled you out there. The chair. You know, it kind of hurts. I can't. I got to pull out of the chair. Very awkward. It's been. He appreciates your brother. Hello. Heavyweights today. Five to seven. Check it out. For all these guys, I'm Neil Roll. Thanks for having me. Big D Energy. Well, we're sports now. We'll see you later. Owning a rental property sounds like a dream until you realize how much work goes into getting it ready. 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