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Bills steamroll Jaguars on MNF + Sam Darnold expected to start Week 4 vs Packers

Hour 2: Mike Florio (@ProFootballTalk) and Devin McCourty (@devinmccourty) discuss latest news in NFL including Bills steamroll Jaguars on MNF + Sam Darnold expected to start Week 4 vs Packers

Duration:
55m
Broadcast on:
24 Sep 2024
Audio Format:
mp3

(00:00) MNF recap: Bills def. Jaguars 47-10

(30:06) Trevor Lawrence comments from 2021

(38:10) Week 3 Fill in the Blank

(43:24) Sam Darnold expected to start Week 4 vs Packers

(44:56) 49ers DT Javon Hargrave + RB Christian McCaffrey injury updates 

(47:16) PFT Live Draft: Week 3 Statements

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And last night, hey, kudos to the Bills for doing it, shame on the Jaguars for letting it be done to them, but a resounding blowout 47-10 by the Bills who have to be taken very seriously as a threat to get back to the Super Bowl for the first time in 31 years. It seems like so long ago, week one, we're watching Jacksonville play Miami. Travis ATN is going in for a touchdown to really make the game 24-7 and Jevon Holland punches the ball out. Next play, Miami gets the ball next play, Tyree Hill goes on an 80-yard touchdown. But we're sitting there watching Jacksonville kind of totally dominate the Miami Dolphins on the road in Miami and we're like, Jacksonville came to play. This is the team that I think a lot of people thought, you know, everyone thought, you know, right away, Houston would win the AFC South, but I think people were like, let's not forget about Jacksonville. Jacksonville is still a good team. They added some different weapons this year. They drive Brian Thomas, Jr. and gave Davis from Buffalo, like you were looking at these small little things. This might help this team get over to hump and compete for the division and they go and play Cleveland last week and you know, it's kind of a debt of a game. Cleveland figures out a way, you know, not to suck as much as Jacksonville sucked in that game. And as a player, as much as we say, it's next game, one game at a time. It's special to play Sunday night football, Monday night football, like you think about your best performances being on those nights, like every team and every individual player wants that to happen and you come into the game and you're just like, oh my goodness, like Jacksonville, and I hate using this term over and over again, but this was another team that looked like the scout team. They came out, they had to be kind of close, don't break up the play coach said, just showed that you were there, let them make the play like that's what it looked like Buffalo just marched up and down the field at its own will offensively. The defense made plays like it's not normal to see a team beat out 34 to three at the half. And then you look and you're like, all right, they're down 34, three, they're going to get going or they're, you know, the yards are going to look a little more and still only finished with a hundred and seventy yards passing when essentially the whole second half was two minute drill, usually you see like this inflated stat sheet of a quarterback who you know, you're like, Oh, that didn't look good. But then you look, you know, he still has 350 yards because they went down. So maybe they still couldn't get anything going like he had a hundred and seventy yards. Mac Jones comes in for only 22 yards like the whole game. Jacksonville just was sleep. They back. They're still sleep. They were sleep back on the plane back to Jacksonville like, and it wasn't even one of these games where they're playing in Buffalo in December. This was a, this is the time of year you want to play Buffalo for your Florida team. So I mean, just unbelievable how badly Jacksonville played last night. Just no fight at all 34, three at halftime. The worst deficit the Jaguars have ever faced through the first two quarters. I did have a thought back to the playoff game against the Chargers, 27, nothing and then in that last night Brandon Staley's not walking through that door in Buffalo. So the bills were, sorry Brandon, sorry Brandon, but it happened. You did it. I mean, Brandon of the, you know, loyal PFT aficionado, but that was as bad as it gets. The bills weren't going to let that happen and the Jaguars, you know, the score touched down early in the third quarter, just kind of a perfunctory make it not as embarrassing as the final score. Otherwise would be, although it still was, it just was a complete and total dismantling of a Jaguars team that looks overmatched, that looks like it would be a candidate for relegation. If we had multiple layers and levels of leagues in professional football in America. One of the reasons, I mean, Josh Allen, MVP caliber completed the ball to 10 different receivers. Let's listen closely, shall we, Devin, to Josh Allen's comments after the game on spreading the ball around to so many different players. It's paying dividends of what we've worked on throughout the entire offseason and through training camp of the everybody eats mentality. And again, it could be your play, this play. You never know when it's going to happen and that's, that's the beauty of it. When guys get to buy into this and really understand like, I may not get the ball four or five times thrown to me a game, but the one or two times I do, I'm going to have opportunities being the end zone and, you know, it's, it's a, it's a fun and wonderful thing when you got a bunch of guys that don't care about the stats, they don't care about the touchdowns. And again, I think throughout practice, we just had this mindset of like, Hey, let's just do things the right way and find ways to win football games. That's what we're doing right now. It's impossible to not view his words as a subtle reference or a subtle, as Sims would say and has said to Stefan Diggs, the guy who's not there anymore. The guy who, and look, I'll defend receivers like Stefan Diggs because they have it in their mind. If we're not winning as many games as we should, the answer inevitably is get me the ball more, those guys pipe down when the team is winning, because what can you say? Oh, I only got two passes throughout my way, but we won by 30 points. Who cares? But this is why, and this is the argument for not having a number one receiver, Devin. And this was the case the bills were trying to make after they traded Stefan Diggs. You give your quarterback the freedom to just throw to the guy who's open and you let your quarterback lead the offense. You don't have guys running back to the huddle complaining that they were open. You don't have guys on the sideline gesturing or mean mugging. And you don't have any of that. The quarterback is in charge of the team and the receivers understand, wait for your number to be called and make the most of it when it is. And how can we not interpret what he was saying last night as a message to Stefan Diggs? I mean, people hate to say it, but Stefan Diggs being gone was, I think, one of the main reasons people have picked Josh Allen to be the MVP this year. I think as much as out in the space of the world or whatever you want to talk about, people talk about this guy being overrated, it's utterly ridiculous. And I think everyone in Buffalo believe that Josh Allen has hit the point where he is that guy. We don't need this guy or that guy. We don't, there's no big name or big time or see, like we don't need any of that. Our guy here at quarterback is so good. We just need to get him as many good players. Maybe not the best receiver, this or that, just as many good players as possible around him and he will make everything else right. He will go out there and do it. And it was fun to see because you saw one of those plays, he drops back, whether it's a design QB draw or not, but he drops back. He recognizes the defense that they're in and he knows that no one is accounted for. No one is accounted for him. So he draws back, hits his back foot, looks for a half a second and runs because now you put together his athleticism, his arm strength and now his mind of how he sees the game. What's the right play to make? What to do? Like it's at an all time high and it was fun. It was a clinic of quarterback play of what you should do on a football field. And he's probably one of the couple guys in NFL that every bad play he makes just gets elevated times 100. You look at the Chiefs game last year. He's the only reason they're in the game and he throws a ball. He gets hit and yes, digs is open on a crosser, but Shakira is open for a touchdown. He gets hit as he lets the ball go. So it's an errant throw. If he doesn't get hit, it's probably a touchdown and we're going crazy, celebrating. And everyone acts like that is the worst play ever because you always throw to the easy cross on a third down, even though the touchdown is there. So to watch him and to see what they're able to do on this offense, I think it's taken the handcuffs off of him on where he has to go to the ball. And I think it's opened up Joe Brady as an offensive coordinator to say, Hey, these are all the different things we can do. I can design plays to different players' strengths like I don't have to feel like I need an allotment of plays to go to one guy no matter what the defense is playing because that's like you said, that's the issue. We have a guy on your team that's a difference maker that needs the ball in his hands. You're so focused on drawn up plays no matter what the coverage or no matter what the defense is doing, that it starts to be really hard and creates a lot of bad football when you do that. And you know, kudos to Josh Allen, what he's doing with that offense. And like he said, all of those guys surrounded him, being ready to go and to be dialed in when their numbers call to go out there and make the play. I mean, you hold the ball longer than you should, waiting for the guy to get open because you feel like you have to throw it to him. You maybe make a throw you shouldn't make the guy doesn't catch it. Then everybody's frustrated. Just throw to the open guy, work through your progressions and throw to the open guy. And if it gets skewed one way or the other, so be it. The bottom line is the plays are going to be run as designed and the ball is going to go to the guy who ultimately is open. And you know, here's the bottom line because all the people who freaked out when they traded Stefan Diggs, the production dramatically dropped. It's like he wasn't even there anyway late in the year. They'd already kind of mentally moved on from him. And so how do you, oh, how are we going to replace Stefan Diggs will replace what the guy that he used to be in Buffalo or the guy that he became after Joe Brady took over as offensive coordinator. And I'm not laying blame here. I'm not saying what's right or what's wrong, but the point is by the time we got to the latter stages of the last season, Diggs wasn't really doing anything. It was a decoy at best in that offense. So it isn't all that hard to replace. Gabe Davis. He never lived up to the four touchdown game he had in the division around against the chiefs a few years ago. So the guys who left all these receivers are gone. Well, there's a reason they're gone. There's a reason the bills didn't keep them around. There's a reason the bills are comfortable going out and find another guys to come in and get it done. And it's working. The bottom line is it's working. The bills are three. I know they had a scare against the Cardinals week one, but they pulled it out easily beat the Dolphins. That game was in hand before to a had his concussion. That wasn't all too had a concussion. And so the Dolphins lost no bills weren't in that game either way. That game was done. It was the Dolphins fiercely trying to make something happen and get back into it that led to the concussion, frankly. And now last night wasn't even a contest. And yeah, it makes for a great Sunday night game. We're not contractually obligated to hype up our Sunday night game and we don't need to. Bills had Ravens on Sunday night, holy cow. And I have to say this Buffalo Bills fans, they owe me an apology last year. We had, I think it was Buffalo and the charges at the end of the year. I talked about how there was an issue. There was an issue with Stefan Diggs, not just the production of throwing him the ball. He was, he was off the field. He was at like 80% play time dropped all the way to 60% play time. And I mean, Buffalo Bills fans killed me on Twitter or X, whatever you call it, that I was starting some. And I was a hater. I was right. So Buffalo Bills fans, send me your apologies, apologize for all the mean or donate to charity that I like. Do something Buffalo Bills because what I said might have been the reason they were confident in trading digs. And now look at you, you're, you're the favorite in the division. You're back. You're doing it bigger than ever. And Josh Allen is going to win MVP this year because of me, Buffalo Bills fans. Just thanking you. You are onto something. They're never going to, and I'm not saying that this is unique to the Bills fan base. Just football fans generally aren't all that big in apologizing when they were wrong. But, but they will step up Bills fans unlike any other fan base in any sport that I'm aware of will step up and financially support when there's a player who for whatever reason has stood out and has become a target for their, their gratitude and their generosity. So yeah, Bill, Bills fans unmatched in that regard. One player who was the recipient of much generosity from Bills fans and Phil and fans throughout the National Football League after what happened in Cincinnati week 17, 2022, Demar Hamlin back on Monday night playing on Monday night and getting his first career interception. Here's Demar Hamlin after last night's win. We all know my last start on Monday night football and how that game went. So to be able to, you know, come all the way back from that and to have a special moment like that, you know, it's, it's all God right there, you know. So, you know, I've been giving him the praise like crazy lately, you know, because like, it wasn't, it wasn't easy, but, you know, I'm super thankful to my teammates for just the support and the love, you know, that was encouraging and it makes all the emotions way easier when you just go out there and you think about, I just want to make plays for my teammates, you know, it makes it all simple again. Hey, Devin, I had an idea next Tuesday, let's both do the show shirtless. The first thing I thought about it, I watched out, my wife would have sent, shot me a text ASAP. Do they not have any shirts available? Like, why are you guys in there with no shirts? What is going on? You talk about a big Monday night victory, you know, out in Vegas, they smoke cigars. The bill saying we interview shirtless, clothing optional, but we got to give credit to DeMar Hamlin. And I was one of the guys when they let Mike a high gold, they let poor your go. I was like, this is a huge part of their defense. These two guys really changed that defense coming in their safeties, their disguise looks like it was an awesome pair for that defense as they took off. And then Matt Milano gets hurt in the preseason, I'm like, what is this defense going to do? How are they going to like, what is going to happen? Credit to DeMar Hamlin stepping up that safety, Hemantella rap, being a star in safeties, making plays, going defensive back is all about sips and overthrows, making it happen. So I have to give love to this Buffalo Bills defense and then obviously DeMar Hamlin and they talked about it on the broadcast too of getting the interception. I think it was Laura Rutledge came on and said on the sideline how happy he was. She also talked about the trainers all smiling ear to ear and none of us can imagine that feeling of that happening in the weeks after of how are things going to be, is he ever going to play again and now to fast forward, getting to start Monday night football after last year, being on the team, but not being active a lot and, you know, being a backup when you are active, just playing special teams, he never wavered. He just stuck to whatever they had for him. He didn't complain or anything, even though his fame is through the roof. He's been locked in on just being a good football player and I have to give him a ton of credit for that because it's easy to just ride the wave and take the appearances and doing this and doing that. He's still grown because he was a young player when he got hurt. He's grown as a football player. He's gotten better and it paid off, making that huge play Monday night football, getting to interception. Like those are the things you love to do and for him that happened on Monday night when everyone's watching the game and seeing what he's doing, it's an awesome story and I think their team still feeds off of him and his story as a part of who they are because you can see everyone was so excited on the sideline when he was able to make that play. I'm going to say what I say next with full awareness of the potential reaction that some will have to it and also not really giving an S-T. Where are all the people? And I think one of them might play quarterback in the Bills division who insisted that Demar Hamlin had suddenly died due to the COVID vaccine and was replaced by a clone. Where are those people? Are they still around, do they believe that the clone just happened to be really good at football too? That would be a hell of an accomplishment by the government. Anyway, I thought of that last night. There are people out there who were insisting loudly that he died and was replaced with a body double or a clone. One of the many conspiracy theories that will poison your brain if you allow yourself to dig too far down the rabbit holes. Alright. Jaguars, I don't know how to make a pivot to the Jaguars. There's got to be a big way in somewhere. I just had to get that off my chest. I feel better now. I feel better. This show is therapeutic. It may not be therapeutic for the audience. It may drive the audience to therapy, but it's very, very therapeutic for me personally. Anyway, the Jaguars are all in three. Nothing therapeutic about that. Let's listen to both Doug Peterson and Trevor Lawrence after last night's embarrassing, humiliating, blowout defeat. It's real shocking, very disappointed. You know, I hate to say, but this is the reality of it is this is who we are right now. And we're not a very good football team and we've got to get a fix. We've got to come up with some answers and we've got to do it in a hurry. You know, it's just one of those times where we don't have any momentum. You know, it seems like everyone takes their turn on making a bad play at the wrong time, including myself. Seems really difficult to go forward. Can't find that rhythm right now and we all have our share and it's just, it takes us making the plays out there. You know, players play coaches coach and we step on the field. We got to make the plays and so we got to, we have to take all the accountability, all the criticism, all the scrutiny because we're just not, we're not doing that right now. That's our job is to go make the plays and I know that I'm not playing as good as I can play. Just point blank. Hey, and when you get 55 million a year, you're going to get the scrutiny. You're going to get the criticism. One of the benefits of playing for the Jaguars, frankly, you're under a little more of a cloak of anonymity than you are if you were with a New York team, a bigger market team. That scrutiny is going to come for Trevor Lawrence and it's definitely going to come for Doug Peterson. Devin, this is what owner, Sean Conne of the Jaguars said, less than a month ago, winning now is the expectation. Make no mistake. This is the best team assembled by the Jacksonville Jaguars ever. Best players, best coaches, but most importantly, let's prove it by winning now. Owen 3 47 10, and they go to Houston this weekend. Doug Peterson's on pink slip watch for next Monday. If they lose an embarrassing fashion to a division rival on Sunday, after what happened on Monday night, he could be done. And I only say that because of what the owner said less than a month ago. Yeah, and that was the thing that stuck out was the way they lost, like to lose a game and, you know, that happens in the NFL. You never want to be old three. The Bengals are on three right now, like we're not talking about Zack Taylor getting fired, but to go out there and be down 34 to three at the half and, you know, listen, I don't have much room to talk about how bad they play. I was also a part of a game in Buffalo where we lost 47 to 10 and we couldn't get Buffalo to punt either. But, you know, I'm gone out of New England. There's a reason. There's a lot of people gone from that season because you can't lose football games this way. And you mentioned Trevor Lawrence being in Jacksonville, the difference in, you know, compared to being in New York. When you look at him and Daniel Jones's numbers, they're very similar and you can't find a guy who gets killed more than Daniel Jones because of he's making 40 million dollars in this and that. And he's not the guy. He's terrible. And meanwhile, we talk about Trevor Lawrence is a generational talent. Talked about that as when he came out. The contract backs it up that they still feel that way is a generational talent. So he has been a little bit saved being Jacksonville and the expectation or how many prime time games you have or the media coverage and how they follow the team compared to other teams. And this team has to do something and, you know, whether we agree or disagree with Shah Khan on this is the greatest Jacksonville Jaguars team, assembled coaches and players alike. Like, that's his own opinion and that's his belief in when you own something and you have the right to make decisions, whatever you believe, whatever your perspective is, whatever your reality is, that is what it is. So he thinks that and you go and you lose 47 to 10 and now you're going to go to Houston and play a team that's going to be pretty pissed off the way that they just lost to Minnesota. So you're going to walk into a hostile environment on a team that, you know, from Washington to me, go rise, they're going to be they're going to be ready to go like they can't forget lose embarrassing. There's a little bit I think they need to go win this game. They need to go to Houston and win because like you said, Shah Khan didn't say they should be good or they should hang around. He expects to win not to drop to 0 and 4 but in losing a close game, he wants to see them go win against a division opponent. And look, Trevor Lawrence seemed to be very almost nonchalant, Devin, about the fact that the scrutiny is going to come, the criticism is going to come. Here's an email I got after the game last night from a former NFL offensive coordinator and obviously I don't do myself any favors by naming names. You have to trust me that this isn't something I've made up and hopefully you do, maybe you don't. But this is the email that I received about Trevor Lawrence does not play the game with a passion. When first drafted by the Jaguars, he did mention that football was not his priority in life. And I'd forgotten about those comments. But remember that? Remember that? I guess you go it too. Remember that? Despite that generous and undeserved second contract, he definitely plays like football is not a priority. His plate is not parallel, his skill set, don't see the leadership, the emotion, the excitement going through the motions, taking the weekly check or disservices to his teammates, the organization and the fans. And again, that's not my opinion, the opinion of somebody who was an NFL offensive coordinator. And you do want to see somebody pissed off. That was the one thing that I didn't detect from either Peterson or Trevor Lawrence. And I'm not saying anybody should be doing the Denny Green Slam, the microphone, you know, they are who we thought they were stuff. But as a fan of the Jaguars and you're pissed off, Devin, you want to see them pissed off after what happened out on the field. What in the hell did we just experience and what are we going to do to get better? And it was too chill. It was too accepting and it was too just kind of going along with what they went along without on the field. That's going to, I assume, if there are passionate Jaguars fans out there who haven't checked out on the season, that's going to piss them off. And yeah, I think from a fan perspective, you like seeing that because I'm always the, I hate when I see guys yelling and screaming on a sideline and right away, people are like, look at the leadership. How do you know? We don't know what's being said. That's somebody who's frustrated. They're mad. That's not necessarily leadership. So I understand when you're on the outside looking in, you would probably rather see maybe Peterson's not going nuts, but maybe he hits the table hard one time or like, shows just a little aggression. I will say at the end of the day, I don't think any of that matters. They're going to be pissed. That's an emotion that happens in the moment and then it's gone just like that. You move on to your day. What I'm interested to see from the beat reporters and people, what does the beginning of practice look like? What is the vibe when they get out there? And then for the players, does practice tempo change? Does Trevor Lawrence have a different sense of urgency about him? Is he on guys more than ever? Does Doug Peterson decide, hey, if we're going to lose, we're going to lose in a way where you guys are going to come out and practice and we're going to practice hard and we're going to do everything a little bit harder than what we were doing. Like that to me is always a thing when you're all in three and things aren't going well. Do you do the same thing expected to change like that's insanity or do you say you know what? Something has to change here because the best teams I was on when things didn't go well. You know, 2018, we lose Miami Miracle, then we come back and we play Pittsburgh on the road. We lose again, lose again, two losses in the month of December, whole world has fallen around us. Tom Brady practiced different those next few weeks. Bill Belichick came and told us the next two weeks were playoff games for us. We needed to approach it like the playoffs and you know what they were sure he approached it like the playoffs, long meetings, hard practices, like we dug in and did things differently. It didn't matter what we said after the game. You have like Jacksonville has to have a plan, Peterson has to have a plan and I think most importantly, as the top guy in that organization, Trevor Lawrence needs to decide maybe this is a little bit outside about comfort zone, but the team needs to see him have more of about him. Maybe it's yelling at guys and practice. Maybe it's just coming to practice with an energy about him that's different than guys are used to seeing because they need to do something different. They like what they're doing right now isn't working. So you can't stay and just say, well, that's not really who I am. Well, being old for isn't who you want to be. Being a losing team isn't who you want to be. So I think he has to challenge himself to maybe step outside his comfort zone and be a different guy to help this team win. Complicating matters for the Jaguars. There was an item last night from Ian Rapaport of NFL Media that their plane had some sort of an issue and wasn't going to leave until after 1 a.m. from Buffalo at the earliest and they come home, Devin, and they go on the road this weekend. They don't even get a home game after the short week. It's short week, fly home, fly to Houston, and hope that you look better against the Texans. Because if you don't, we could be talking next Tuesday morning about Doug Peterson having been fired on Monday. And again, I'm not doing this gratuitously. The owner said what he said, and this team looks horrible right now. They're among the worst in football. All right. Let's take a break. When we return, we'll fill in the blank with some of the performances we saw in week 3, next on the BFC line. How does it feel? 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It's hard for me to explain this because I want people to know I'm passionate about what I do and it's really important to me. But I don't have this huge chip on my shoulder that everyone's out to get me and I'm trying to prove everybody wrong. I just don't have that. I can't manufacture that. I don't want to. I think it's unhealthy to a certain extent, just always thinking you've got to prove somebody wrong. You've got to do more. You've got to be better. He's right that it's unhealthy to an extent. It's also a fundamental ingredient to reaching the highest level that you can in team sport, to ultimately achieving your full potential because what do the greats do? They seize on any slight and any opportunity to prove people wrong. Tom Brady is still trying to prove people wrong. Hell, the commercial they made for his debut as an announcer for Fox was completely rooted in people always doubting him and him trying to prove people wrong. It's a fundamental ingredient to greatness in sport that desire to prove somebody wrong. Even if you have to make it up like Michael Jordan did to prove somebody wrong. So that's coming back around now and I hadn't even thought of it until I saw that line in the email unsolicited from a former offensive coordinator that's going to come back around now. And I think, like you said, I agree with him, the unhealthy part of that to a certain extent. But I think the reverse side when people are driven by people and trying to prove them wrong is there's also a drive about you to prove people right. And I would have loved for Lawrence to talk about that. Maybe his personality, he's not the guy that says, so and so said, I'm not good this person. Maybe he says, I don't care about those people. But what about the people who sacrifice or they call you generation? Your drive could easily be like, I want to prove those people right. I want to prove them right for going out there on the limb and saying, I can be the next great quarterback when I was a sophomore at high school, whatever that is, like, I think no matter who you are or what you've done or what you've got, like, you need to have something that drives you. So, like, I get it, he said, like, he's still passionate, like, but what drives you? What gets you to do something that is abnormal to be great? Because no matter what we say, anybody who's been great at any sport, they go above and beyond to do something that to other people makes no sense to do. When I was training and I was getting ready, it'd be like 95 degrees and I would tell my wife she was studying, she was in med school, like, let's go to the field. You can lay out a study, I'm going to go run in the hottest time of the day. Like, most people don't want to do that. You have to find reasons why you want to do that. Mine was because Boston College said I wasn't good enough. They said, my twin brother was better than me and they wouldn't offer me a scholarship. That fueled me all the way through my NFL career and I still talk about it to this day. You mentioned Brady, like, everyone has something. Amara, St. Brown, talks about, he remembers every receiver drafted over him. This guy has had the ultimate success, first team all pro. Like, you just need something to drive you. I don't care if it's approved people wrong. You just need something to drive you. Maybe Trevor Lawrence has it and he doesn't want to talk about it. But I will say, in this league, in today's age, when you put things out there and you talk about it, you better be ready for people to have an opinion on it. So he said these things, career hasn't gone away. People were hoping, I think you might have just started something. This might start a trend for the rest of this week of everybody going back and reading through these quotes, but that's just not what you want to hear, especially when the teams performing the way that they are. And I know it's back in the day, it's the archives, but it's showing relevance now. Don't blame me. It was the email that came from an offensive coordinator because when I saw that line because I skimmed it last night and I thought it was relevant to our conversation, I started reading it. It's like, what's he talking about? Oh yeah, I forgot about that. So, but look, I think we all, I'd like to think we all at some point in our lives have had something happen that causes us to say, I'll show you. And when you have that, I'll show you moment. It gives you clarity. It gets you to, I talked about this earlier, it gets you to do things you'd otherwise not do. Get up earlier to do whatever it is you have to do. Stay up later, not watch that show you want to watch, not go to that movie, not play that video game. I got to focus on this because I got to prove that that person who has a preconceived notion about me is in correct. And I'm not saying you should be obsessed by that, but the best of the best are, that's one of the ingredients. You got to have a screw loose to compete with other people who have a screw loose because they will. So, one Tom said, if you, Tom said, if you're going to compete with me, you have to sign your life over as a prerequisite to even having a chance because I have. And we know what toll it took on him personally. And I bet still in a quiet moment, he doesn't regret it because he's pursuing something in his mind that is bigger than the day to day harmony and balance that you're trying to strive for in life. He's pursuing something that's immortal, not something that's here and now. So you got to have that. You got to have that or you have to be so far more talented than the people you're competing with it. It doesn't matter. And we don't see that in the NFL. Guys who are extremely talented, they might have a year or two, but eventually some small nagging injury, something makes you have to work your butt off. And especially if we talk about longevity, sustained success, you got to be willing to do things other people wouldn't do. So I'm ready to sleep at the facility when we got back late night for games so he could wake up and be in treatment bright and early on Monday. The guy was obsessed and I get it. Like you said, you don't have to be like that. Kobe Bryant, Michael, you're like a lot of the guys who are like that, they're the greatest of all time. They get mentioned that way because I mean, that's what it takes to have that. And I think for Trevor Lawrence, I don't knock you for not wanting to do that and saying that's not me. That's not how I see life. That's perfectly fine. But I think the reality is you might never reach that level of success that some of these other guys have reached. And hey, for all we know, he might be okay with that. And that's okay too. Maybe not for Jacksonville fans and maybe not for shotgun and we'll see how that works out. But you cannot that as a person. We all got to make the decisions that are right for ourselves up to and including, you know, retiring as the top NBA insider to be the GM of the St. Bonaventure basketball program. If that's what's right for you. You're not saying that derisively, if that's what's right for you, you do it. But the point is, if you're going to compete at this level with the best of the best, I'm not saying it's right or wrong. That's just what it is. That's who you're competing with. You're competing with a bunch of psychos as Sims would say in a good way. Guys who will sign their life over to it. So you're operating with one hand behind your back. If you don't, if you're just right, talent, that's why they paid them that contract. So as much as like, it's okay as a person to not be that way, they paid them all of that money expecting him to be that way and to be that quarterback for them. All right, we need to take a break because we didn't expect that. I mean, literally sat on the way back in there's like, Hey, if you want to keep this going, go ahead. All right, Barry. So now we keep the show going. And we'll figure out what the hell we're going to talk about next during the break. Either way, you'll find out when we return this is, uh, back in the day, uh, and it's like a DVD VR VR VR, uh, I don't know how that's it. It's like a, it's like a, it's like a, just a little, um, it was called a VCR, a VHS, right? Yeah. VHS thing. Oh, no. Oh, no. It's like a, it's like a, just a little CD CD. Oh, no. I'd be here. Oh, oh, oh. Look at this. Is that what it is? Is that what it is? Is that what it is? I would have never gotten that. I would have never gotten that. Yeah, I got it on this. It is. The music, uh, you put it in like a music thing and pull it in and put it on, so it's like that. Yep. I don't know what it's called. I don't know. Boy, you want to feel old? Good Lord. And they were wrong. It wasn't a floppy disk. It was a mini disk. The floppy disk they actually had and they called it floppy because it was this big flat computer disk that was just like, you know, it was like, you know, it was like, you know, it was like a, like a, a thick piece of paper. They got the smaller disks later. Did you recognize any of those things? You surely, you surely were around some of those things. My highlight tables on VHS. I know, I know about all those. I thought that was a floppy disk though. So I think you might be getting a little too technical. Well, but no, because I remember the floppy disk. They called it floppy because it was floppy. And they made the smaller disk that was no longer floppy. It was just a smaller disk. I think it was called a mini disk. But hell, I don't know. All right. Fill in the blank time. Andy Dalton's week three performance was what? Shout out Andy Dalton, but it was an outlier like we were not going to see Andy Dalton throw for 300 yards and three touchdowns over and over again. I would love to say he's going to get a wake up call playing Cincinnati this week, but Andy Dalton playing his former team, a little bit extra juice. I think the team will have even more extra juice. Like I think he can go play a solid game and maybe they can upset Cincinnati. I don't know if it's to the tune of 300 yards and three touchdowns, but you never know in the way Cincinnati's office played. I could be wrong, but I think that game was an outlier. I'll call it a gift. It was a gift from the Raiders. The Raiders took them lightly. The Raiders thought they were better than they were after beating the Ravens and they weren't ready when the coach and we talked about this Sunday night when the coach says we had some guys who made business decisions and we're going to make business decisions about them. They made bench gardener Minshew for a no-connel like the Raiders handed them something, but you can take that gift and parlay it into something else because confidence leads to more confidence. You have a game, you feel good about yourself now. The vibe changes for the Panthers and they could, I mean, it would be a hell of an accomplishment if they pull it off, but they could put two together. But what happened on Sunday was a gift for the Panthers courtesy of their opponents in Las Vegas. All right. Next one. The Steelers should blank at quarterback. This is easy. It's Justin Fields job. I mean, especially when you go back and watch the tape, it's not just like the backyard three plays like Justin Fields right before the half. He threw a ball to fryer move, that fryer move dropped, but he threw it between two defenders right in the middle of the field that would have set up a field goal and it was an unbelievable throw of anticipation, death row right there to Austin. Just he's in his back foot, he's delivering the ball. It's what they were hoping to see down the line from Justin Fields after Russell Wilson started this year. He got hurt. You get hurt sometimes in the league. That's the end of your job there. So I swear to see Justin Fields, yeah, ride with Justin Fields until it's not working. And when it's not working, Russell Wilson still QB one, you just don't say anything about it. You just take it week to week and if Justin Fields ever folders, you can bench him without benching him. Russell Wilson's healthy now and you don't trade Russell Wilson. We're six weeks away from the deadline. We're going to hear some chatter. Maybe some Russell Wilson PR machinery activation trying to agitate for a trade, especially if there's a season ending injury to a quarterback elsewhere still and Bill Belichick said this on Pat McAfee show yesterday. They may have the best quarterback position in the situation in the league because you got fields backed up by a Super Bowl winner who's $1.21 million salary. You don't trade that. You keep them around because we saw fields get hurt last year. They might need Russell Wilson. You never know when it's going to happen. The way Justin Fields plays, it can happen at any time. All right, let's take a break as we try to get back on track after our detour earlier. When we return, potential good news on the injury front for one team, bad news on the injury front for another, that and more on PFT live after the Vikings beat the Texans on Sunday, there was just kind of a vague ominous what's going to happen with the Sam Darnold knee injury MRI on Monday. Good news for Darnold. Good news for the Vikings. Just the knee bruise, he's expected to start week four against the Packers who might have Jordan love back from his knee injury. If not, they're in good hands with Malik Willis. That's huge for the Vikings because I saw enough Nick Mullen's last year to know that the train isn't going to keep rolling if Mullen's playing quarterback. I'll do respect. Yeah, Flora, we know this made you really happy Sam I am will continue to be out there. I said it Sunday, there's way too much love in Minnesota for Sam Darnold to just go out. Like it's going to take a lot more to keep Sam Darnold. He experienced the New York media, the Jets, all of that Bill Belichick said, yes, they seem like everyone has loved Sam Darnold except for the Jets. And Darnold feels the love he is going to stay on the field through any injury this year. Yeah, that was great. That was a little, a little stray, but it's never stray when it's Belichick in the Jets. It's always deliberate, 49ers. And this reminds me, Devin, the last time the 49ers lost to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, their next year was a disaster fueled by early season injury. Same thing is playing out this year. And the latest Jevon Hargrave, who Kyle Shanahan and the coach of the team raved about best game ever on Sunday against the Rams. He is done for the season with a torn triceps. That's what Shanahan told reporters yesterday, defensive tackle helps make that defense go. They're going to have to move on without him. Just the latest injury issue for a team that on paper, when everyone is healthy, is one of the best in the league. Very tough, I think, especially because the last two games for this defense hasn't gone exactly the way they've wanted it to go. And people don't talk about a guy like Jevon Hargrave a lot. But he is a big part of when you see pass rush happening, guys who run the edge, the Nick Bolsa's of the world, the Leonard Floyd's of the world. He's getting the middle push. He's driving guys back. He's taken centers into quarterback's lap. So that's a big blow for that 49ers defense. Who relies a lot on that front seven to make play. So they'll have to try to make up for a big loss at Hargrave. And the original major injury to the 49ers, that we didn't realize how major it was. It was just a calf strain until it became an Achilles issue. And then he went from questionable to out for the first Monday night of the season. Christian McCaffrey, Adam Cheffner, reported last night that he was see a specialist in Germany for his Achilles tendonitis. He's on Inger Preserve, he's eligible to return week six. That's a Thursday night game against the Seahawks. This doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that he's on track to come back and play as soon as the window opens, Devin, on his ability to return from IR. Yeah, when I hear that, that means it's not healing the way that they think it should be healing. So if you're somebody who is thinking he should be back soon, going all the way to Germany to see a specialist gives me the feeling that they're trying to get ahead and get something and find something that works to even get him back on the healing process. Yeah, not good for the 49ers, although Jordan Mason has done very well in place with Christian McCaffrey. He's not Christian McCaffrey. No one currently is Christian McCaffrey when he's healthy enough to go out there and do what he does. Let's take a break. More PFD live right after this. All right, week three is in the books. We sometimes do this on Monday, sometimes do it on Tuesday. The Sunday statement draft, which asterisk can include anyone who played in week three. What stood out to you, Devin? First and foremost, I got to start off with Aaron Rodgers. I was there in the building, Met Life Stadium. I was calling the game on a radio and Aaron Rodgers, it was old school clinic tape after you said it. Mel Kuiper talked about cover to being gone. Aaron Rodgers showed us what good quarterback plate looks like and it doesn't matter what coverage you ran because he was cooking. It was fun to watch. It was Aaron Rodgers, old school back in his element at 22 yard laser. He threw down the middle Tyler Conkel when he threw that. It's like this guy's back. He's back and he's ready to go. The Jets love Aaron Rodgers. As we established earlier in the show, they didn't like Sam Darnold. Everybody else does for touchdown passes and no picks for the first time in his career, avoided the injury, ready to go. Vikings are somehow three and O and Darnold is the straw that's starring that drink. Second second guy, because you're right, Sam Darnold, keep doing what you're doing, but second, King Henry, Derek Henry talked about possibly going and wanting to play for the Cowboys. As opposed to they couldn't afford him, 25 carries, 151 yards and two touchdowns. He put a statement, you should have paid me my money and things will look different. You wouldn't be getting killed. I'd be running for you. Well, and I said this yesterday on PFT Live and I wrote something about it later. Jerry Jones claimed that they couldn't afford Derek Henry is a lie. They could have. They chose not to. That point one million dollar cap charge for this year, you can find five million in cap space anywhere. If you really want to do it, they just decided not to do it and they had to deal with it on Sunday. Saquon Barkley, 147 rushing yards on 17 carries and that 65 yard run when it was three nothing. He told Jason Garrett after the game. He was motivated by the, the dirty hit and I'm sorry, Dennis Allen. It was dirty. Allen dives on Devontae Smith when his helmets off. That was dirty. The Eagles were pissed and that's what sparked the 65 yard run. Saquon Barkley responsible directly for the Eagles winning that game in New Orleans. They much need to win for Philadelphia. Let's take a break. One more round next here on PFT Live. One more round for the Sunday statement asterisk Thursday, Sunday, or Monday statement. Devin, who do you have? I'm going Sunday night football, Rashi Rice, 10 catches, 100, 100 yards a touchdown. It might be safe to say he is passing my home's new favorite target. He's been delivering all season so far for them. All right. I'm going to break the rules here and I'm going to put two because they're already joined together by their time at LSU and by the bet that they made and then canceled over which guys going to be the offensive rookie of the year for $10,000. It definitely isn't a bet anymore. Malik neighbors and Jayden Daniels, neighbors, spectacular for the Giants on Sunday and for all the things they do wrong, the one thing they do right, Devin, they throw in the football all the time and then Jayden Daniels on Monday night. I mean, right now, it's time for Malik to start peeling off the bills. He's going to have to pay the 10 grand. It really isn't a bet. No such thing exists. All right, Devin, great stuff today. Everybody have a great Tuesday. We'll see you back here on Wednesday. Everybody's talking about shrinkflation. Companies are now giving you less for the same prices before. At Domino's, we're giving you more. 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