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And sign up for a free account to start building in the cloud today. [Music] Final part of our show today. Brian is our defensive look at the film. And upon further review, I guess that's the way to put it. And then of course our key moments in the game. And we've got a few here, obviously, to talk about. Let's kick this thing off, Brian, talk about the run defense a little bit more specifically than we did earlier on in the show. So your thoughts on the run defense and kind of what you saw when you look back at the film. So my grade doesn't change. And my opinion of the run defense didn't change in this game. It wasn't good enough. I didn't think it was good enough. The D tackles weren't good enough. The linebacker play is ascending, but it's still not there yet. But there was also a lot of, I think my name is okay with some of that. And I kind of get it. Because their thought process is exactly what we laid out. They are not good enough to beat you running the football. They are good enough to beat you getting 15 going and getting that big outside guy going and Blaine Gabbard gets hot. Yeah. So like, okay, we're going to kind of give you some of those soft bubbles and say, we dare you to run the ball because you may get five, six yards here. But you know what you're not going to do? You're not going to rip off a 50 yard touchdown run or like your receivers are capable of doing and have shown that they can do against power five teams. And so to a degree, some of that was given now. There were mistakes within that that, you know, you clean like there was a play, they ran an outside zone and just sealed off the inside. They got cracked and nobody filled the crack and they run outside for an easy 20 yard outside zone play like that can't happen. Like you got to fit better their linebacker. You got to fit better their defensive end. And so there are some mistakes like that that need to get cleaned up. But as you watch events, I think they were kind of like, look, we're kind of okay with that because the flip side is is what other teams did. Other teams were like, hey, we're going to shut down the run game. And then they went out and got passed on a whole lot. Personally, I think you're good enough in the secondary that you could have still done both. But I mean, if you're going to play cover two, you're willing to kind of give up a little bit in the run game because your safeties aren't triggering like they are in other games. Right? That's the reality of it. So when you break the game plan down, I think that Notre Dame is, is, is, um, I think they're okay. They were okay with some like the four, five, six, seven yarders. I think they were okay with some of that. The 20 yarder, that was a mistake. There was a play where, and I'll get into the motion, but they ran a motion. And in the way that Notre Dame ran the motion, you knew the cutback was going to open up. And just some different things like that, that I looked at and said, hey, look, I think they were kind of okay with it. They were okay with some of it. I think they were okay giving up 90 to 100 yards and they weren't concerned about holding them to 30 like they'd had in the first two games. So, um, not saying I agree or disagree. I'm just saying like that's the reality of what I think the game plan was. And at the end of the day, it meant it worked because, yeah, you gave up more rushing yards than, then they, they average, but you also held them to way fewer passing yards than they average because your, your game plan was we're not going to let them throw the football on us. You take away with their best at right. We know that that's the only chance they have at beating us. And so when you, when you look at, for example, the Notre Dame run game, they came in averaging was a 32 yards a game and you gave up 100, was it a hundred and nine, 110? So you gave up, what is that? 78 yards, right? Am I doing that right? Am I doing the math right? 110 minus 32, 78? Yeah. So you gave up 78 more yards and they were, then they were, uh, then they, then they came in averaging. But if you look at the past game, they came, came in averaging 291.5 and you held them to 119. So you gave up 70 extra rushing yards to counter that with giving up, what is it? 170, two less passing yards because you took away a lot of that deep ball stuff by playing some cover two and doing some different things there. So I just think game plan wise, I still didn't like how the run defense played. I still don't like how the details played. Doesn't change any of that. There's still some fits that needed to be better. But you're like, okay, I think they were okay, giving up some of that. Does that make sense events? Like I'm not saying they were okay, giving up that 20 yard outside zone run. I don't think, I think Al Golden's probably pissed about that play. It's more of some of those, you know, four or five yarders where, hey, you want to run a little quick off tackle play and Jack Kaiser hit you and you fall down for four and a half yard gain. All right, cool. Take that. Cause we know what you didn't do on that play. You didn't throw the ball down the field to Cole McDonald. You know, you didn't throw the ball down field to Reggie Virgil. You know what I mean? Like, sure. Okay, we'll take that. I mean, there was some of the reasons that Brett Gabbard was able to kind of run and scramble was because they weren't worried about spying on him. Cause if Brett Gabbard scrambling for eight yards, you know, he's not doing throwing the ball down the field to his receivers. You know, so, so again, certain teams you live with that. And would you do that? If you're playing Riley Leonard, no, cause once he gets into space, he can do some, right? But it gets Brett Gabbard. He's not going to hurt you there. He's going to pick up the first and slide, but he's not scoring. And so I think to a degree, some of that they were okay with. And that's why the end result, if you take out G, I'm frustrated with the rushing yards and you just look at the end result, they held this team way below their season average. Over a hundred yards below their season average, because they said, we're going to make sure you don't do what you do best. And if you're going to beat us, you're not going to beat us with the second best thing you do. Northern Illinois beat Notre Dame doing what they do best. And so in this game, Notre Dame said, that's not going to happen to us against Miami Ohio. And it worked. So I don't know what your thoughts are on that, Vince, but that was a very, it was very clear. And nothing makes that war hammers that home than the fact that they played as much cover to as they did. Cause cover two is a past defense. It's not, it's not a run support defense. That's why I love Mark Slera's response to Mel Kuiper. NFL needs a band cover or make safety play closer in this cover to and Mark Slera's was like, you want to stop teams with cover two, run the football. And that's, that's football one on one, brother. I mean, it's been true since we were kids, you know what I mean? It's so stupid. They want to ban a defense, but whatever, that's a pass. But I just, I thought that was, I mean, it was very clear that Notre Dame was like, you know, we dare you to run the ball because you're not going to beat us running the ball. And they weren't. They were not going to beat Notre Dame running the football. No, gosh, no. And, and you know, at the end of the day, you look at the 110 yards of rushing, you're like, ah, you know, that's not good enough. But then when you look at the big picture like that and it's like, okay, you know, they kind of allowed, they kind of did it on Notre Dame's terms, I guess is the best way to put it. 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For a whole new way to nug it's got to be Wendy's at participating US Wendy's. Next point we want to bring up defensively is kind of some of the and we've seen this a couple of weeks in a row now in my opinion some issues with with motions and shifts actually we've seen it against Mac two of the last three games. Yeah that's because my new file actually watched Northern Illinois so I said hey that work let's do that. We can do that. No we're going to let's just keep doing what we do. Right you know uh nope uh I thought yeah that that happened that that reared its ugly head a little bit in this game as well that's in my opinion and they took advantage of it. Miami of Ohio took advantage of it uh to a degree there was there was a series a sequence early on in the game and I I mean a step on you there Brian there was a that's what a conversation got. I don't know why you guys continue to do this. Nobody on the planet cuts people off more during these shows than me. So when you do it to me you don't have to apologize. We're having a conversation. I got you. All right here we go. So there was a sequence early on in the game where they were taking their they're running back and they were motioning them out to be a wide receiver. Okay. Yep. The first is second play of the game. Are you talking the first drive? Yes. It's a first drive. So set this set the scene. It's the second play of the game. Right. So they they motion out the the back to the left side and Notre Dame's response to that is they brought a Don Schuler over to cover the back out of the backfield. Right. Well he comes out very very high on that and the first play and no urgency getting on there. He's late very late. In fact I feel like if I remember it right the line I think might have been Kaiser kind of turned around. It's like you got to go. I remember that right. But anyway he kind of the running back kind of runs ago. They do. I can't even remember what the play was but didn't go to the running back right. I think it was the very next play. If not the two plays later is very next play. Very next play. Same exact formation. Yes. They moved in the back. Same thing at Schuler's late kind of getting over. This time no where he runs. He runs he runs a comeback and it's just like a little lighter up right. It was wide. I mean wide open easy pitching catch and they gained a bunch of yard. I think it was a fair first down to be honest with you. It was it was the first time. I think they got well won the play. I'm looking right here. They yeah it was um is that the first quarter? Yeah. Yeah. So it was a second and three play. They threw it in complete as nine yards. So third and three is third down and that got the chains moving. But they got plenty for the first down. I mean the pitching catch was but one of the easiest throws that you're going to make because Notre Dame hasn't done well moving with the offense in pre snap. And that one stood out to me. I mean that was that was such an obvious miss handling of a back just lining up out as a wide receiver. I mean it was very it was a very simple motion. It wasn't anything that they haven't seen before. And I have no problem with the Don Schuler being the guy to cover him. But you got to do it faster. And you you can't stay that high. That's that urgency that we talk about. Right. Yeah exactly. That's that urgency we talk about. And it's like that's one of those things where like you know they've never done this. We hadn't seen it on film before. It was like like guys you got to kind of have a plan for that. You know like hey team motioning a back out of the back field is not like rocket science. It's like it's not that you know you've got to have a plan for that. And and they didn't. And there were some other things they did. They ran a stack motion with a post snap switch. And then a Don Schuler in the corner kind of run into each other because they clearly weren't prepared for that. And it got the guy open for a nice gain move the chains. The one of the the one of their better runs inside zone runs of the day is when they go in motion and they motion to a three by one. The the the mic linebacker bumps over like a stack and like the or the in the wheel goes out. And it just opens up an inside zone cut back lane like just easy easy open cut back lane that and there was nobody to fill. There just were some things where Miami was able to probe Notre Dame a little bit to get a couple plays. And it had no impact on the game. And from the standpoint of it wasn't something like it was going to cost them a game because they're not at quite as creative as Northern Illinois was with it. And they couldn't really generate any big place with it. But there were some things they would go in motion and send Kate McDonald across and then that you know the safeties are going over and Notre Dame is like a rolling their safeties and this guy's coming down and then you've got to chase Kate McDonald. They couldn't get to them. So I mean it resulted in a couple good plays. It's more so like you've got to find some answers because when you play a team that's got better talent than Miami, Ohio, it can create some problems. So I was a little frustrated that that part hadn't been adjusted. You hadn't found that because because my look here's the deal. A good coach and Al Golden is a good coach. And so I don't think this is going to continue to be a problem. It shouldn't anyway. You start to say, okay, we've picked up on some things the teams are doing to us because they know they just can't line up and play beat us. They got to do some stuff to generate. So we like this is I was told this story about Harry he stand. He would go into games against some certain teams and he would just start throwing blitzes at his team and looks in front that they never faced before or that that team had never shown on film because his thing was I'm going to make sure that my guys are prepared because I know that that team knows that they just can't line up and do what they do against us. They're going to have to do something different. So I'm going to do some things to put my guys in some stressful situations to make sure they're prepared for it. I told you a story about how a head coach, I worked for Joe Fincham. We're getting ready to play. Actually, your son has taken a visit to the school who the head coach is now at a division one school. And he says, he's like Brian, I just want you to, you know, because normally I'd have to watch films, the GA and breakdown film and run their blitzes and stuff. He's like, I just want you to throw whatever you want at us this week. And so I'm like making blitzes up to the point where he's like, okay, that's enough. We're good. But his point was if we can pick up all this crazy stuff and there's nothing that they're going to throw at us so we can't handle. And at some point in time, coach goes like, okay, this is what teams are going to do. They're going to do some of these funky things to try to create some looks to get guys in positive matchups. We have to have a plan for it, even if it's not necessarily something that we've seen on film. And if that team doesn't go to that, and they just think that they can run their base offense against us, then, you know, we'll be ready to celebrate another victory in the locker room. You know what I mean? And so that's something I have to prepare for. And that once again, that was something that that the very very little success at Miami, Ohio had a good chunk of that came on stuff like this. And no name is going to have to have a plan. And it also speaks to how dumb Purdue was for not like, every coat you look, it's not about, oh, let's do it Northern Illinois, but it's like, hey, this gives Notre Dame problems. We need to figure out within what we do offensively, how to take advantage of that. And Miami, Ohio did a, I'll say this about Miami, Ohio. That is a very well coach football team, very well coach football team. And Chuck Martin called a very good game. He just doesn't have the horses doesn't. And that was a problem. But coaching wise, they did some very good things, very good things. Agreed. Let's talk about something a little bit more positive when it comes to the defense. And now that we weren't being negative or anything, but man, these young kids, the whole the whole keys to victory. I mean, we were pretty positive during that for sure. I was being more sarcastic than anything else. But the young guys on this defense, Brian, I mean, they're making plays now. But I can only imagine what this is going to look like in a couple of even next year later on this year, but in a couple years, holy cow, holy cow. Well, you went into this game, Vince, and you're like, okay, that's how he was out. He'd been your best defensive end, maybe your best defensive lineman so far in the season prior to his injury. You're not playing Josh Burnham again, because of an ankle injury. He was probably your second best defensive lineman through the first two games when he got hurt. And you're like, all right, what are they gonna do? Boob a car steps up and just dominates. Junior Tillamock had without question the best game his no name career. Like you saw the Mike linebacker instincts in this game. And like a perfect example. So let's you talk about big moments, Vince, the bit the biggest moment of the game was happened because of a couple younger guys, a true sophomore and a red shirt sophomore. First one of the game is that Christian Gray interception. Great recognition by Christian Drake Gray drives through two DBs and breaks up the pass. Like that's not supposed to happen on that route. And Drake Bowen does a nice job of kind of getting out and forcing the D the quarterback to kind of throw wider than maybe he would have liked. He couldn't lead him the way he wanted to. But then on that same play, they dropped junior Tillamock instead of rushing in because they were in a true three by one. Like with nobody close it's the running backs and an even alignment to the right. That is a we're throwing the ball everyone at the five yard line. It's a very clear passing situation. So our golden calls for junior to drop. And so junior takes two steps back and his Mike linebacker instincts kicked in because remember junior came to Notre Dame as a Mike. He looks over. He sees the ball. What a linebackers get taught to do. Follow the ball. You see the ball in the air. Go to the ball. So junior sees the throw. He starts taking off the ball. Christian breaks it up. Junior's there to come over. If he's a pass rushing or B does what most the ends do and just watches the ball. He's not there to pick it off. And then you see it like later in the game you see you see Buba car making huge plays like they get that first down that you talked about right where they motion the back out can move the chains. What what killed that drive. Very next play. Buba car has a great pass rush knocks the ball out forces a fumble minus 14 yards drive over. You know what I mean. Christian Gray picks off a pass later in the game. Madonna Schuller has the really bad penalty. But he also and we just critiqued him for the not getting over thing. But he also made a lot of plays getting over top of cover to breaking passes up. I thought this was Drake Bowen's best game of the season. I mean Drake shut down their last chance to score by himself basically. Yes. So it was second down who consecutive plays. I love this play on second and 10. So Drake is to the right of the offense the defense right. And the tight ends to his side. They run a bootleg where the tight end works underneath and he's going to go to the left side of the defense. And as soon as the ball snap you see Drake go like this fence. No no no he points the tight end. And he's like tight end and he's he's like okay I'm going. They try to sneak that under out and as soon as the ball gets their Drake hits him. Knox the ball and it ends up being incomplete. But even if he catches it. It's like for a yard game. Yeah I mean it's next play Drake runs an inside twist just burst free drills the quarter back in the backfield. Now it's third and forever. I think they did they try to kick a field goal and then Bryce Young blocks it. A true freshman blocks it. Yeah. And you're just like man the young town and this team is nuts. Yes. And then Benjamin Morse. So by the way I'm told Benjamin Morse is fine. It's just he came out after. So he was in there in the third series of the third first here's the third quarter. Right. The next series was Leonard series. So they had Leonard and Christian and Christian picks the guy off. And then Notre Dame offense I think that was when they went down and scored to make it 21 to 3. After Christian's interception Notre Dame responded by going down and scoring. It's 21 3 and it's like okay we don't need to put Benjamin back out there. So Leonard Leonard Leonard Moore playing guess what Leonard Moore looked pretty flippin good. Yeah I mean Carson Hobbs almost intercepts the past later came and you're just like they got some dudes. You know Kingston kept you know Kingston's Kingston. You know what I mean? And he's just playing. Yeah. Yes. And you're you're watching like Buba Carson NFL player. You know Adon's an NFL player. Christian's an NFL player. Drake Bowen's an NFL player. Kingston's an NFL player. You're just you're watching these young players. You're like dude they're gonna be all right. Bryce Young's an NFL player. Like what I mean and I don't mean like right now I mean like they are the talent that when their players are over they're gonna be playing in the national football league. Right. And you're just like boy this is a young group but man they're super talented but not only that Vince but they they had to step up on Saturday because you didn't have Jordan Vitoho. Buba Carr had to step up. Like we always say this like yeah it's easy to be the guy when you're not the guy. You know what I mean? Meaning like it's easy to come off the bench for your 10 to 15 snaps a game and do your thing. There's no pressure on you. But in this game like Buba Carr you're a true sophomore. You've you've hardly played at all last year. You've played a decent amount your first three games but you're still a young pup missed almost all your senior year. Hey bro we need you to step up and be a playmaker. So what does Buba Carr say? Got you coach. I'm gonna dominate Miami of Ohio. And guess what he did? It's exactly what he did Vince. I mean PFF had him credited for three pressures. And I'm like there's no way he only had three pressures. I can think of five off the top of my head. And Junior Telemaca all of last year Vince. Do you remember we talked about this? Do you remember how many Junior Telemaca was the number he was like 2A and 2B. Him and Josh Burnham last year were 2A and 2B at Viper. Do you remember that? Yeah. Do you know how many do you remember any pressures that Junior Telemaca had last year? Like the whole season do you know how many total pressures he had all the last season? Well it wasn't many because we talked about that position not having a bunch. It was four. He had four pressures the entire season. He had two run stops the entire season. On Saturday in one game Junior had two pressures. They were legit pressures as well. He had a run stuff and he had a and he's a red shirt sophomore and he had an intercept interception and then he had a great read on a play where they tried to really free release a back. He reads perfectly plays it and and blows the guy up. And you're just like okay Junior Junior has there have been games this year Vince where Junior did not play a snap on defense. Matter of fact Junior didn't play a snap on defense in the first two games and the only reason he played 18 snaps against Purdue last week is because Jordan Patel got hurt with the injury. He wouldn't have played until they were blowing him out had it not been hurt. So Junior's at the mix it at Viper got beat out by Buba Carr. He's not playing a lick. He could have this is bull crap. I didn't come all the way from California to sit the bench. This is Bush league. I'm in my fields right now and I'm mad about this. No Junior said I'm keep working and when my numbers called I'm going to step in and play and this is a bit of an unsung part of Saturday's game. It was true with Pat Coogan and Rocco Spindler. They could have been in their feelings after getting beat out. They were starters last year and they could have been in there but you know what when their number was called they were ready to go. When Buba Carr's number was called he was ready to go. Junior Chilla Mach had every reason in the world to not be locked in. Now I'm not saying he should have been. I'm just saying as teenagers that's kind of where we are when things aren't going our way. Junior stayed locked in and how do I know he stayed locked in because he doesn't play like he did on Saturday if he had mailed it in the first three weeks. He doesn't he did some nice things against Purdue last week. He doesn't do that if he's not locked in and he comes out on Saturday and I wrote this in a breakdown Vince because we talked about how bad the Viper production was. You just mentioned it. We talked about that this season. So Buba Carr and Junior Chilla Mach who were the one and two Vipers in this game finished and I'm going to go down here. I got the numbers here. It was in my are they finished with seven tackles three tackles for loss two sacks a force fumble an interception and five total quarterback pressures. That is big time and and they had to replace your best defensive lineman through three games up to this point and they stepped up and said okay Jordan's been good. We're going to raise you and play even better and that was a big part of what I was excited about in this game and those guys those kids are going to be huge on Saturday too. Like they need to continue to be those kinds of players. No I'm not I'm not asking for the exact same kind of production. It's a different opponent. I get that but they need to be as effective as they were this past week going into next week and beyond obviously it can't just be a one hit wonder you know what I mean. They've got to continue because you're playing a week opponent and sure right right. Sure we need to see it again. That was huge Vince but when you when you watch this game on Saturday and you think of the number of young players that stepped up either freshman, red shirt freshman, sophomores or red shirt sophomores that made a big impact in this game and you start to say like yeah you know I'm I'm a little fresher this team right now but man. I mean Buba Cartuary led you in tackles two tackles for loss two sacks. He's a true sophomore Drake Bowen had a pretty good game. His best game so far four tackles a sack a tackle for loss. You know you look at Don Schuler had three tackles and two pass breakups in the game. He's a true sophomore. You know Christian Gray had a huge game Leonard Moore had a really good game you just you know Junior Tamaka's two tackles a tackle for loss an interception. He's a red shirt sophomore. Jay Nalsbury played well in the game. He's a true saw a red shirt freshman. Donovan Heines is a red shirt sophomore. Bryce Young made a lot of mental mistakes but man he played hard and he is super athletic and he's and he's going to benefit from playing a game like Saturday where he did make a lot of mistakes because now there's film that Bryce can look at and say okay this is what you got to clean up. You know Kingston is is a dude. There's a ton of young town and this is why I say this defense I don't know if they've peaked yet because one of my takeaways was the linebacker still need a lot of work but you know what they're getting better and better and better and better every week. I feel like the linebackers play better every week than they did the previous week every week and like this defense that's why I say this defense as good as it is so far this defense can and should play a lot better. That's you know like and but I'm okay when the sophomores make mistakes. What I'm tired of is when the veteran returning starters are not doing anything but they played a little better on Saturday and I hope that that is the thing that springboards them and here's my my hope is well we'll talk about that when we preview a little full but you just you watch this young talent events and when you break down the film you're like man there's so much young talent on this football on this football team especially on defense where it's like and they're not just young and they're good players but you're talking like that's a future pro right there. Yeah that's a dude right that's the kind of dude and that's what I say Notre Dame is making mistakes on defense right now but their teams aren't able to expose them for it because talent Christian Gray that was not a good coverage by him he got beat off the line on his interception but he's so good that he can kind of recover and still make still find the ball and make that but most corners when they get beat off the line they're and oh gosh I got to catch up I got to catch up I got to catch up and then running through the guy and got PI Christian was like I'm good I'm running right with this guy oh let me find the ball pick and you're just like okay that's that's a different cat right there you know and uh you know you watch Boobah Kritz Herrera and and he's still got a lot of work and he needs to technically but you're like they can't block that kid right he's just too talented for them to block because they have he's too long he's too athletic he's too powerful they just have no answers now some teams down the road will have some offensive tackles that can go toe to toe with him and he's gonna have to improve his technique but boy you he's a you all now see why why I had him number one and on my upside grade for that defense come that high school right the fact he was so he was so raw which is why he ranked low it's also why he didn't play a whole lot last year but now you're seeing the light go on and you're like yeah that's the guy we hope that we were getting when we when we broke down film on him it's a lot of talent there man so that was my my final takeaway events I don't know if you if you had some other some other things that you wanted to get into in that particular instance as well I know I think there was a um I think there was uh we had talked about some of the the big moments of the game which we kind of got into a little bit you know the key moments I think we talked about the junior tackle for loss we talked about the first INT the second red zone stop I thought you know obviously they they made a mistake of trying to go at Benjamin twice but but Jordan Clark made a really nice read on a pivot they tried to run a pivot route they were trying to get Jordan to overplay the so a pivot route is like you start to go like you're going to run like a crosser and you try to get the DB to bite on the cross to beat you to the spot because this with DB's are taught crossing route beat him to the spot and then you pivot work outside and that guy overplayed and now I'm wide open they tried to do that in space on the second down and Jordan Clark played it perfectly didn't over didn't hey you're at the 12 yard line I'm not gonna overplay this crossing route I'm gonna put my alignment has me prepared to play your cross guy pivoted Jordan was all over him he catches it I think for like a four yard gain and Jordan brings him down in space really good play and then of course they try to hey that didn't work let's throw a fade route against Benjamin Morrison against I know it didn't work last time but maybe it'll work this time and it didn't beautifully I mean he played the first one pretty well he played the second one even better textbook and I was like yeah you may not want to do that again right I don't think they did so yeah I thought I thought that was a key moment too because again it was it was nothing nothing and this is their second time they had gotten inside the 10 yard line vince and you know look the red zone defense last year was a huge part of that defense to success Notre Dame had allowed six scores on six red zone trips so far this season now only two touchdown drives but they they held they held them to one score on three drives you had the interception on drive one you had that you held them to a field goal in that particular drive and on the third drive the third red zone drive is what we broke down earlier that was the drive where Drake Bowen had the two back-to-back huge play and that put them way back they were at the 17 I think is what they got to and then Drake had a I think it was a minus 12 loss so now they're they're kicking a long 40 yarder the Bryce Young blocks it's like that's that's what we saw last year from this red zone defense and so that was a big part of this game too because if you're if you're not good in the red zone in this game this is a little bit of a different score events yeah maybe title I would be 21 13 or maybe 13 to 7 so I thought that series sequence of events forcing that field goal was huge because your offense hadn't really gotten going yet and and your defense kind of held them down until the offense finally figured it out and that was that was kind of my my big moments it was those two red zone for the big moments of this game yeah the red zones key is key for this defense and remember two years ago they were awful in the red zone remember that I mean they were just well and that's great with this year right would they be good would they which what was going to be the true Notre Dame defense exactly and honestly so far what we had seen so far was sort of a middle of the two but leaning closer to last year you know good in the red zone but not as dominant as last year in the red zone overall but their red zone touchdown defense had been pretty good only two out of six and then one of them they gave up was to A&M and A&M had to really work for that one if you remember that one touchdown drive that had to work that it was not an easy red zone drive for them and and of course this game they they shut them down so I mean so now teams have had nine touchdown nine red zone trips this season against their name they've only come away with two touchdowns like okay so yeah they're pretty much so far back to where they were last year and that's a good sign because you were like you know what when I got two years of when you have two years of evidence in there just polar opposites you're like okay what's the real what's the real Notre Dame defense and so far we're seeing like it's it's in the ballpark of this one so that that's my stance that's my thoughts on that one light it hey iris breakdown listeners it's urban mire this fall the game changes join me Heisman Trophy winner Mark Ingram and broadcaster Rob Stone as we bring you a new perspective on football and culture every week we will be joined by the biggest name in sports and talk about everything inside and outside of the lines let us guide you through a new era of college football watch triple option on youtube or listen on apple podcast spotify or wherever you get podcasts hey iris breakdown listeners it's mat liner i've got a podcast called throwbacks with actor j for our will we'll be talking all things sports but also so much more we'll give you the behind the scenes stories from my days as the quarterback on an iconic college football team to jerry's days as a star on an iconic tv series so subscribe to throwbacks on youtube apple podcast spotify or wherever you get podcasts i know we've uh that's going to do it for our defensive breakdown but we do have some super chats that we need to leave yep so let's make sure we get to those before we you know sign off for the evening for a little irish breakdown after dark so why don't you throw those up brian let's have added patrick mcgrane thank you so much for the super chat how would we all feel about this game if the score had been 38 to 13 same 25 point win just more scoring i don't really look at it the scoring patrick it's it's how you got there right and if they got the 38 for some of the similar reasons and they played the same way i'd i'd be frustrated having said that let's say vince that that you know one of that they kick that field goal when it's 28 to 3 and then they get a late touchdown and the number two defense and their name scored 38 points because you know because riley hits a couple those quick throws early and he doesn't fumble the ball and they i'd feel a lot better about it so it's not the 25 point win that bothered me it was the missed opportunities that led to you only scoring 28 points in this game right like right so so i understand the point you're making patrick but i and i'll say this that's my answer i do think if nordane would have scored 38 points in this game in 138 to 13 and they scored 38 points because riley lennard played better and this i think most people would be happy so again i don't i want to give some of our i i was very frustrated with the fan base on saturday to be honest with you uh some of the i mean you'd have thought that they lost the game but at the same time i i do understand i do think a lot of people in good faith were hey i'm glad we won kind of but i was not happy with what i saw and that's fair so i don't know that it was the 25 point win it was the the way that they won 25 which is just a lot of sloppy play 38 13 probably wouldn't have been a sloppy if i'm being honest so i don't think that people would have felt the same way i probably would have because it wasn't about the 25 point result it was about the fact that they and i probably still would have said you should have scored two more touchdowns that's probably what i said i don't know what your what your thoughts on that i mean people would have thought would have been happier i think uh because i mean a lot a lot because that means the offense probably did some different things and maybe were a little bit more successful probably hit a couple of those throws yep exactly so i think people would have thought differently maybe i think the same i don't think we would have broke down the film any differently brian i don't know that it would have been a whole lot different on our end and frankly i wouldn't have been happy that the defense gave up 13 maybe in your scenario where where they gave up as you know a score there you know against the game against the twos and maybe Notre Dame doesn't block that field goal that gets him to 13 right so yeah and that's what i was thinking like they get it's it was 28 to 3 they blocked that field goal right wasn't it i think it was 28 to 3 or was it 21 to 3 when i think i might have been 21 okay so that would have made it like 21 to 6 okay and and then let me see here so yeah so Notre Dame is 21 to 3 fourth quarter let's see here they had that long drive yeah i mean it was it was 21 to 3 and then Notre Dame went right down the field and scored to make it 28 to 3 so it's been 21 to 6 you know let's say but so let's say at the time they already had 31 you block that you go down to get 38 and then they get the ball back with 5 30 left you put your backups in and they go down to score okay whatever right but if they scored 13 points on the starting defense i'd have been a little bit disappointed yeah and that's yeah exactly that would have been that would have been we'd be having a different conversation but i'd be less worried because that defense just wasn't locked in against a bad team we know that that you know what i mean that's probably right michael s thanks for the super chat just watch the game for the first time not as bad as the supposed not as bad as the supposed from the critics definitely Leonard over and jelly no debate there agree i love this one for my den it's hilarious i den binami thanks for the super chat appreciate it you don't need to watch i be nation all the time l-o-l-l-wife just now got a multitask baby l-o-l-l what's wrong with with kidding j-love more rock let's go right in Leonard i don't i mean the game plan was designed to try to get your my love the ball more on saturday it's just they've their game plan was to take it away which is why riley Leonard had 143 you know yards rushing because they said hey we're gonna try to shut down number four and 24 which is probably a smart game plan but right you know i mean note note a name only ran was it 65 plays on offense and what five or six of them were from the second team jeremy love had 11 carries they threw him a tonal screen he had another catch in the game for nine yards like i mean he had 12 12 12 touches you know jadarion price had six touches and he averaged a whole yard more per carry you know defense was trying to do certain things to take him out of the game and so another name said okay we're gonna take advantage of that and we're a quarterback's gonna rip you up so and the other thing too is like i understand y'all want to see more jeremy love i get it but he still is a true sophomore who is still 207 to 10 to 110 pounds he's still got get some more armor on that body and you're still in a position at three and one to make a run and make a deep run of the play up i want jeremy love fresh in november i care more about him getting being able to get 20 touches and in a much needed win at usc than i do about him getting 20 touches against northern illinois yeah uh not northern illinois excuse me it gets my me bohio or perdue you know what i mean like he's doing his thing now he's getting comfortable he's getting going and then there's gonna be games on the road where you've got to ramp him up and jadarion up to win the game and you know what no name did that in the opener they had to get him the rock more jadarion the rock more than they did and they they they did their thing so i'm just like there's no need to force that issue right now in my opinion in november you will i just he's getting plenty touches and he's gonna get more and more and more but but again i know you guys love jeremy i love for good reason he's a freeze but number 24 is pretty flippin good too and through four games number 24 is actually averaging more yards per carry than number 11 or number four is which is kind of nuts vince when you consider that that as as i say that he here's the part that makes me laugh it's like i'm sitting here talking about how how hey guys jardarion price is averaging more yards per carry and he had a 37 yard run call back from a penalty but it's like 0.05 you know what i mean it's like it's not like oh jadarion should be one a running back because he's 0.05 yards no i'm not saying that i'm i'm comfortable with the roles they have now the point is they can both tote the rock so let them both tote the rock and then when we get into november and maybe hopefully in the december and january they don't have those 50 60 70 extra carries on their shoulders they're more fresh and good luck stopping these kids when your defense is a step slower because it's late in the year and they're fresh because no other name is using them appropriately early that's that's my that's my standpoint you got two dudes use them and keep them both fresh because you're going to need them if this team is going to be the team we hope it is vince it can't be that without 4 and 24 both being healthy and dominating can't you need them both i'm not wearing jeremya down because okay you give him he goes out and runs 20 times for 150 yards against norlinoy but time you get to november he's banged up i'm not i don't mind mohio who cares if he had a hundred yards because my mohio doesn't matter i want him to be fresh enough to do that against usc correct that's that's where i'm at and he will i sure hope so right you know that my favorite part of the weekend was is people say you know you can't beat the best teams in a schedule without a better passing offense and i'm like you didn't you didn't look at the voxgar the usc mission did you 32 yards dude 30 michigan beat usc with their quarterback going 7 of 12 for 32 yards this is why sharon more should have listened to me a month ago when i said they need to put ox orgy in the game and go full 2017 Notre Dame on teams and that's what they did to usc and it worked pretty well but yeah guess what in college football outside of bama george ohio state there's a lot of teams you can beat the way no name is playing it right now that's not a justification or excuse because sure i don't want them to just beat usc no names beat usc a lot the last 10 years i want them to beat george abama ohio state texas those teams in order to do that the past game definitely has to get better right but when you got a quarterback that can average can do what riley lennard's doing where you know you're gonna beat a lot of teams yeah it just may not always be pretty that's right like if this is brand new win bush if brand new win bush would have gone 16 of 25 in games Notre Dame wouldn't have lost a game if brand new win bush would have gone 16 to 25 for 150 yards in games they wouldn't have lost a game because he didn't because riley's not running behind quinton nelson and michael glenshey and alix bars can you imagine the kind of rushing attack Notre Dame would have right now with him at quarterback and what they're doing if he was running behind if that was the line that Notre Dame had think about that come on be crazy oh go back to that one oh sorry let's answer this one first then i'll go back and find that one okay so we didn't answer the question i'm sorry about that no no we did but that's okay it's the one about offensive line just in case you didn't go ahead i'm looking forward yeah i'll bring it back oh yep andi milton fan thanks for the super chat could only play big end seems too good not to play i feel like he's not getting enough playing time in the middle but i don't know about moving positions yeah i let me look at the snap i don't know that playing him at defensive end is is really the answer unless you're playing a team like like let's just say this let's say Notre Dame was playing Michigan okay what we saw Saturday that version of Michigan where it's 220 pound Alex Orgy who can't throw a lick and you've got Khalil Mullins at running back who's 220 and you got that and like guys we know they're not throwing a ball we need to get beef on the field yeah okay yeah you want to kick him out the big end all right cool fine but if you're playing a team that's going to throw the football like i would have not even dreamed of playing Jason only a defensive end gets Miami, Ohio because you need somebody to rush the quarterback right and and that's rushing the quarterback from the edge is not his strength so i would not have done i would not have done that Vince i would have i would not have done that so yeah i'm gonna keep looking for that other question do you remember what the question was Vince yes it was during the buy i can't remember who sent it it might have been Michael S but uh basically said during the buy week do you give tosh Baker and Sullivan abscher a shot at left tackle thanks for the thoughts something on those lines unless Anthony unless Anthony doesn't improve if Anthony improves this weekend then okay cool he took a step and he's doing better and you know you you try and go win with that but if he doesn't get better then you're gonna have to consider that and now keep in mind part of the issue was that that tosh wasn't even healthy the last two weeks so here it is from Raymond there it is oh you found it that was from Raymond yeah sorry about that sorry Raymond he's trying to use the old nog in here and it didn't didn't work out for me it says do you think it's time during the buy week to maybe let tosh or sell you get a chance at left tackle things yeah i'd work him in i would also consider you know i i mean just right now i would move i would get i would move right i would move groovy Lambert over there just to get some reps in certain situations and see how he handles it see how well he plays left-handed because like that's that's that's like it is so obvious he's so obviously their most physically talented offensive tackle he's just very raw right now but you watch him on Saturday events and he still doesn't necessarily know what he's doing and he's just he's moving people and he did the same thing he gets produced he's extremely gifted i would give all three of those guys a chance a chance in that yes 100% absolutely and i'd even consider and now you know what i wouldn't do that i thought about i thought i was gonna say i i consider moving a meal wagner over there and then maybe letting gurbie come in but like a meal's playing well yeah i would mess with that you know you know what i mean like i completely again that was my first thought but i was like no i don't know that's something you do in the off season not during the buy week yeah if that's something you know what i mean like that's what you're trying to do you know maybe you're better there but you're not as good at right tackle you know so it's like look a meal's starting to get comfortable don't screw with that yeah you're right you're right and i could just i knew Vince was going to say that so it just was in my head before i yeah not before yet shiver me fingers thanks for the super chat i appreciate it very much nothing to do with the game but what's the deal the last several years with not wearing their knee pads over their knees it's just asking for trouble well number one i've i've always thought knee pads only really prevent you from getting bruises they don't protect you from any major yeah no not from like ligaments or anything like that that's what knee braces are for yeah i think it's i mean i think for me it's like it's when you are running and your knee hits a guy's helmet they can provide some protection there from getting a bruise i always thought the rule was like i remember when i played in college like they would walk around and make sure all your oh i hate it had any pads over my knees hated them so i would always try to cheat and get them up a little bit above my knees always did and because i just i didn't like having that i wanted my knees you know yeah so you can move around yeah and you'd have refs walking right hey you know put your knee pads down apparently they're because like Riley Leonard's got them suckers like six inches above his kneecaps oh no listen we went on a college business like i'll just say this Vince Notre Dame's DB's are basically wearing Thursday shells i mean that's basically what they're wearing it and yes this we like i said we went to a college visit on saturday uh before the Notre Dame game and the kicker for example had pants that went halfway between his hip and his knee and that was it like half of his and that's a game not even practicing pants no that that was this game look okay college coaches are our college referees are just not doing that anymore high school still does we not that long my last year coach and we got a 15 yard penalty because at the beginning of the beginning of the game the referee asked the head coach is your team legally and properly you know you know prepared or whatever and you always say yes but then you know a couple of guys we're trying to hike up their knee pads or they cut the knee pads as small as possible and they make them about this big you know what i mean and a kid had his knee pads up 15 yard unsportsman like conduct penalty that's what i mean a sign to the bench you know you get two of those you get kicked out as the head coach right so they still do it in high school but clearly in college that is not a thing yeah it's definitely not and it's not in the NFL either i mean both both levels i don't know about that one i don't i don't watch that one right well they just don't mike nolan thanks for the super chat appreciate you very much why is it seemingly every time there's a ball on the ground under name never seems to fall on it assume just the way the ball bounces but still upset well i mean they did recover one on saturday and a meal wagner fell on one which was a huge moment because i still believe that they would have yeah like they ruled it he was he had broke the plane but if they would have been able to review that i think they would have been not uh he didn't he definitely did not yeah like it wasn't even close but uh Notre Dame has four force fumbles and they have recovered none of them right so yeah and see here fumbles lost see Notre Dame is fumbles let's see where they are they fumbled the ball four times and only recover so the ball has been on the ground eight times this year and Notre Dame has only recovered two of them and they didn't count the one on saturday so they'd be nine times and they've recovered three of them it's not a good rate i don't know if it's like hey you're you're doing a good job in in practice of working on forcing the ball out but maybe you're not doing enough to work on recovering the fumble fallen right properly could be it some of the times it's just the way the ball bounces you know but um yeah you'd like to see because they they had that issue last year Vince they had a very high force fumble rate last year but not a very high fumble recovery rate last year so because what was Notre Dame last year in in uh fumbles forced was tied for second in college football at 18 and if you look at where they were and fumbles recovered last season they had eight so yeah and that's 18 forced fumbles there's other fumbles that happened that aren't forced and i think learning had six so like you know pitching the ball dropped dropped muff snap that's not a forced fumble you know and so there were six of those you had 24 fumbles last year and some capacity and you recovered eight of them a third same rate they're on this year a third so yeah you'd like to see it better last one Vince relic you thanks for the super chat are we seeing true rpo's or options sometimes it feels like the decision was made before they even lined up well sometimes it's going to look like that really first of all to answer your question yes they're seeing a lot of true rpo's and and we saw them last week i'm this is why you need to be on the board because i broke down to the pass game video and i showed you two three total examples of true rpo plays that they ran yeah one was a side adjust to jade thomas one was the touchdown pass from steve angeli to uh cooper flannigan and then another one was riley leonard on an under screen to ela rare and yesterday we saw a couple true rpo's one of them for example they actually hit a glance route to bow collins in a second half did you see that Vince and then they the the backside slant to jade and thomas is also there now sometimes an rpo is you write it and then pull and throw like steve angelis was that it was a ride if he comes up you pull and you throw it other rpo's are pre snap decisions we have leverage on the bubble screen i'm catching and throwing i'm pulling and throwing there's no fake um so sometimes it's going to look like that where you just the running backs or run and run action lines blocking but the quarterback pulls and he's throwing that bubble screen so it looks like well they're just doing the run fake for show and it's actually no they're blocking this the receivers are doing that and the quarterback till some of the rpo throws are predetermined based on how the defenses lined up right right does that kind of explain it properly Vince i think so sometimes it will look like the decision is made before because it's not made before they line up no decisions are ever made before they line up because you can always check out and do all those type of things but it's more so once they line up the quarterback makes the read and then sometimes it's just going to be unpulling the sucker and and sometimes like i'm still going to do a flash handoff fake but it's like there's no way he was actually handing the ball off there like yeah because he knew in his head he's gonna pull it but he needed at least do that to time the play up because of whatever and that's why he's doing that so that's why sometimes it does look like that but yes they're they're definitely doing true rpo's and options in this so and there's some others that i'd like see them do i i think they could get real especially their two running back looks i think they could get real creative with some of the stuff they're doing like okay so look this is who rightly Leonard is lean into it you know get even more exactly what you're doing with your rpo game and your screen game and your your run game uh so those are those are definitely things that i could see them doing more of and like see them do more of if riley can't make the necessary improvements in the passing game that's what i would like to see so there you go vince that's it man all right that's gonna do it for this edition of a pawn further review thanks for hanging out with us and a little iris breakdown after dark appreciate that very very much and make sure you hit that like button that subscribe button that notification bell share with your family and friends and of course join the boards boards.iris breakdown.com gonna be some great stuff up on the boards by this time tomorrow there's gonna be some breakdowns of riley Leonard's throws and some different stuff so all 22 come 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watch the game on saturday it's actually some cool movies on peacock too i i would like y'all borrow it but uh i already have one i'm allowed to let one person watch it and uh that's already spoken for so that's cut right here i'll be the first one to admit it uh but uh yeah so make sure you check that out if you want to watch the game on saturday if you're not going to be in attendance so without further ado that's brian i'm vince and we will talk to you next time on the iris breakdown podcast. so so so so what's next at moss adams that question inspires us to help people and their businesses strategically define and claim their future as one of america's leading accounting consulting and wealth management firms our collaborative approach creates solutions for your unique business needs we leverage industry focus insights with the collective technical resources of our firm to elevate your performance uncover opportunity and move upward at mossadams.com
