- Hi, my name is Eileen Crispell. I am a storyteller, writer, wife, older mom, architect, and a shaman. I help people heal and empower their souls. I saved my own life by applying medical medium information and I've been applying this information in mind in my family's life since 2012. - Hi, I am Aimee Jones. I'm an autism mom, a home educator, a noted gardener, a near-death experiencer, living a plant-based lifestyle, and I help people heal their souls as a shaman. I've been following medical medium information ever since 2015, and mine in my family's life has changed dramatically since. - Hi all, Aimee and I are here with another podcast, and today we have another very special guest with us. Today we have Aimee's daughter who is 11, do I have that right? - She's 12. - Well, okay. I wasn't caught up. She's 12, and her name is Mia. And she has got some special talents and some special things to share with us today, and I'm gonna turn it over to Aimee at this point. - Thanks, Aimee. So, yeah, I'm really glad that Mia is joining us today because in her 12 years, Mia has some interesting things to say, and Mia is autistic and is a real talented writer as well, but has a real passion for life in many different ways that passion comes out. And she has taken me along on a really fascinating journey as well. But the thing about Mia is she has this real magic with words, and she likes to start new relationships or introduce herself by showing a little bit of that to us through her words, through this skill that she has. And she's written a poem that is gonna get its first airing here on this podcast. It's gonna be on her substack account as well that she's just opened, where she's gonna put a portfolio of her works in their many forms. But this poem is called When the Clouds Part, which is the name of Mia's substack as well. And we'd be really, really honored, Mia, if you would be happy to share the poem with us next. - Yeah. - Okay, when you're ready, darling. I hid in the crowds that filled my head. I crept alone, round, alert for any danger. I felt like I needed to be seen, be heard, instead of just do whatever they said, just I couldn't. I huffied the children to look like them, but at home I was very different. I played with my brother and like to sing until I was nine, almost 10. I had always had this fear, but now it came to me, stalking me for a few years and causing things like OCD. As soon as I got over one travel, I fell into another. Secondary school made the behavior so bad that we had to surrender. I have to admit that I left the school with some regret. I didn't see the point of the life beyond the rules that I had met. I couldn't do any learning when I first started. I wanted to, but it felt too much, so I stopped and waited. At first, I was still stuck in fear, but then I started to do things that I enjoyed, but I still felt shut off on the work and lost in the saden time I had. I still felt like I had fenced to free. But recently, I have started feeling lighter. I have stopped a lot at the OCD behavior. I have started feeling free and wild, and I don't think I felt that since at least ages. I have started to be a better version of myself and to not care as much what others think. I felt older in a way, but younger and freer with the more gains I play. I live with my dad, brother, dog, and amazing men, and I like to make people think. I have been taught many things about this world and this activism is getting unfurled. Life is still hard sometimes, and I still think of all this time, in school, and the friends that are never friends, and whether they think of me or two. But I have been released, and I am marching to let me be, and I have always wanted to do something big and good to the world. I love animals and running, and I have now found my feet. - Okay, sorry about eating, I can't listen to it without crying. (laughs) I have to take a big gulp before I can get some words out. There, Mayor, and it's made me go goose bumpy and a little bit hot all at the same time, and I read this to Eileen ahead of the podcast just so that she was a little bit prepared because your words are really powerful. I'm really touching, and I said, "Eileen cried." And Mayor, you said to me, "Why did she cry?" Because I think, and I just think that's lovely, because I think Mayor is just coming to understand how powerful her words are. Mayor, I hope you don't mind me saying, but you've written another poem called "The Gem of Gardening," which was inspired by your younger brother, Albie, and his love of gardening. He's been on our podcast, talking about that already. And this poem has already gone out on an email list around the world to over 37,000 people this weekend. It's gonna be part of a peace protest that's been hand-painted onto a plaque that we're gonna go and see. And your pieces of work, you're just at this point in your life where you're starting to want to share your voice, and you always know that you have a lot inside to say, but it's felt really difficult saying it, and that's been part of the autism journey. That's why I woke up this morning really, really excited, knowing that you were gonna come on our podcast, because the fact that you are now very publicly sharing your words feels to me like a huge win, and like you've come a million miles to get this far. And I think the world's gonna be a little bit better off for hearing what you have to say. May is nodding away. - I want to make sure, may you know that those are happy tears, because to have been a little bit on the hearing about your journey, and lots and lots and lots of grownups can't find their voice and can't write and can't make themselves known as beautifully and elegantly as you just did. So it's a real win, and I feel honored and privileged to be a part of it, to hear it. - Yeah, and I think you carry the struggle of thousands of souls in your words as well. May, I think lots of people find themselves in the words that you put together. And may I, just to tell a little bit more of a funny, a light-hearted story to help me and Eileen get back to being without, to being less choked up. - When May was just turning to, I was very pregnant with Albie and just had Albie, new baby, very busy mum, very focused on just getting done the necessities of having a new baby, having a toddler. I realized that May was learning to read all by herself. She taught herself to read, and she was just two years old, and that was it, and I just felt something within me then felt. She's got something with words, and today I really see that. It just makes me think back to that moment, and I really see that coming into life in the world in such a fantastic way. - May I be on memory of teaching yourself to read? That's a long time ago. - No. (laughing) - And I was gonna say, but you're not just about words, are you, May I? Do you wanna tell us some of the things that you are interested in, because there's so many things, isn't there? - Music, running, a nature. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, well, I was gonna add to the animals, because May and those are strange facts for just about every animal I've ever heard of, and many that I haven't ever heard of. (laughing) And you're really interested in animal behavior, and your poem then talks to us a little bit about the journey, and there's a real shift in that poem that they're where you start to win, and you start to get control back of your life, and you start to understand yourself. And there was a really big factor in that, wasn't there? And I would say, and I would please join in with anything you would add to this, but I would say moving to home education was a big part of that shift. Is that fair to say? - Yeah. - Yeah. So we do a home educating style that's really kids are in charge, don't we? It's very self-directed, because you and your brother are the brains of the family. I don't mean to do myself too much of a disservice, but if I just try and keep up with these two, I think I will forever fail. But they do a very self-directed approach, and I wonder if you want to talk about some of the fantastic things you've been leading yourself towards, and to so that people can get a sort of sense of who you are. - Well, it took me a while to learn, like before I couldn't really do it, without getting upset. But then now I do science for all ages, but it kind of covers GCSE, and I've been doing Spanish on, yeah, do I lingo? Wait, I'm, yeah. And masks and I've been learning about the cloud names too. - Yeah, tell us how many clouds, oh, the clouds and names. - Okay, yeah. - Tell us how many clouds they're on there. - Well, there's 27 that technically, but there's sometimes more than one in a great city, around 54. - I want to just give a little background, 'cause I know it, but for people who are listening, who may not understand the context of what May is talking about in the poem, and Amy, please correct me if I get any of this wrong. But Maya was struggling in school, emotionally. And so one of the things that Amy's done a lot of research, and she dove in and figured out that one of the things that was really important is a stress-free environment for anybody who's struggling emotionally, and who maybe have neurological issues and is sensitive, that stressful environments will make everything worse. And so Amy took her kids out of school and decided to homeschool them. And she started by what we call in this country, unschooling. I don't know if they have that term where you are, Amy. But basically it's child driven. You just, you go with the child's interests and their energy level. And I remember the first time I ever heard of unschooling, I thought it was nuts, of course, (laughs) but now that I've had two kids, I can see that kids are actually naturally quite driven and quite interested in certain things. And a lot of times what school does is, I call it cat hurting. There's a lot of waiting and getting in line. And when I first started homeschooling, I realized that it actually doesn't take very much time to teach kids something. A lot of what's done in school is really not teaching. And it can be very stressful to the sensitive child. So when I think what Maya was saying in her poem is that that felt a little disappointing in a way to have to leave school. And when you first started trying to learn, that was hard, but when you were in a stress-free environment for a while, you found your interest in yourself again. Is that fair to say? - Yeah. - Yeah. And that's a beautiful thing for anybody, but especially a parent to see, have seen their child struggle and then see them come out of stress and find themselves again. That's the tears. (laughs) - Yeah. And it's probably, and it's quite hard for anybody to talk about a difficult time in their life in conversation. It's really amazing that you can put that into a poem so that we can all get a feel of that in such a wonderful way. But yeah, so school was overwhelming. So for autistic people, it's a very overwhelming place. There's a lot of noise, there's a lot happening. Maya really loved the learning side of school, didn't you, Maya? That was always something that had you really interested, but there's just so much going on. And I think the lovely thing is now, is that now that you're out of school, you can really grab hold of the learning. So as you were saying, like with your science, you can go up to GCSE, which is the exams that they take at A16 here before you leave school. And you've certainly done that already with Spanish. So you don't have to learn this much in this amount of time. And you're free, aren't you? And you talk about being free. You're saying in your poem, you talk about you've been released. And so now you can really discover yourself. And what I really want to do is your mum is help you find a way that this world works for you. Rather than the other way round, because we will all push ourselves to breaking point when we're trying to fit into the world. But as an autistic person, you experience the world differently to most. And so you've got some big things to do. And you've got a big life to live. It's about finding how that works for you. And I feel that unschooling and getting to know who you are is a good place for that to start. And I think the fact that you're here talking, sharing your work shows where we're on track, miss, wouldn't you say? - Yeah. - Yeah. Do you want to tell us a little bit about I was talking about your poem, The Gem of Gardening. Do you want to tell us about how you feel about your work getting out there now at all? Do you have words for that? - Um, privilege? - That's a lovely word. Well, and both Eileen and I have felt privileged having you share your work here on the podcast today. So that feeling's mutual. - Yeah. - It makes me feel special. - Yeah, that's it. Yeah. - Are you finding that when you put your poems, and I think I've heard you do rap songs too, which is a kind of song poetry, when you get a reaction, when people agree and feel like in a way you're speaking for them. Is that make you feel good as well to know that other people feel similarly to you do, to you and about animals and things like that that you care about. - Yeah. - Yeah. In fact, there's a story for that, isn't there, Maya? I wonder if you would mind telling people about Remembrance Day last year. Do you have Remembrance Day, Eileen? - No, I don't know about it. - So you have Veterans Day, where you are. So Remembrance Day marks the First World War, and it's the ending of the First World War. I know Albee is stuck with you, Maya, and he's probably gonna tell me if I'm wrong on any of these facts. But it's the 11th of November, and we celebrate it particularly at the 11th hour, 'cause that's when the war was ended. So it's a big thing, everybody knows about it here in the UK. And Maya, you did something really special with your voice last November. Can we hear about what that is? And so I had this book about tales of amazing animal heroes that were like in the war. And I decided to press up to write lots of posters about what they did, and stick them up around the whole neighborhood. So that people could see them, and then it could, 'cause lots of people don't realize that, well, it probably might be like that. They don't wanna, they don't want to realize that animals have emotional feelings, and they're very intelligent too. And then I also realized that there was this thing called a purple poppy, and on it, it said this phrase I really liked called, "Oh, gave some, some gable." And it's to celebrate lives of the animals that helped us win a war that was had nothing to do with them. - Yeah, it's gonna make me cry again. - Yeah, this is welcome to my life, I lean, right? (laughing) - She's a part of the matter. - Yeah. (laughing) Do you wanna share one of your favorite stories? 'Cause this was a labor of love. May at hand wrote the stories of each of these animals, found pictures of them, and stuck them onto pages, laminated all the pages, put holes in them, and then we went around the neighborhood, and we tied them up to railings, put them on fences, and dog walkers, and all the families going to school, I heard lots of feedback that lots of people had been stopping to read them, because the motivation is, May wants to share as she's saying, the soul's choice that animals make for people to recognize them as souls, because you're trying to change the way animals get treated in this world. She's a little activist in the making. And they were such wonderful stories. Do you wanna share one of those lovely stories with us, May at? The pick one. - There's one about a pigeon that you really like, 'cause a pigeon is called Cher Ami, but when he got that, she realized that he was a boy, 'cause they flew for, he was a girl, 'cause it's hard to tell with birds. But it was the third of a toy burn, like the first one or something. I don't really know the details, but the troops on our side were trapped between the enemy firing at them, and their guns coming from behind, and there was hundreds of them who were trapped there, and they couldn't get the message across, so they resulted to messenger pigeons, and they sent two off, and they got shot down straight away, and they had one left, and that pigeon was Cher Ami, and they sent her off, but she got shot down as well, and the soldiers were like, this is the end, but the pigeon picks herself back up, and she flies for, she flies all the way back to there, and she does something, and she tells them, and she delivers the message, and all those soldiers are saved, but she was shot through the chest, blinded him when I and she had lost the wagon yet, she somehow knew that her important, her job was, and she was awarded, I mean, he wasn't awarded the dick and my girlfriend's baby. - Well, yeah, and he, sorry, he lived to tell the tale, didn't they, they had him patched up, and he lived a little longer, didn't he? - Yeah, not too much, though. - No, it's kind of all, and that's a pigeon, you know, and May has got stories of, she put up stories of all kinds of dogs, and there wasn't even, there was a bear, wasn't there, I think, one of them, and there was all kinds of wonderful stories that really make you stop and think, and I think that's, that's your gift, isn't it, Maya, is making people stop and think, she often, as Eileen, you know, and we love to chat, and we like to talk about the deep things, but May has a knack of asking me questions that make me have to stop and really think about how I'm gonna, how I'm gonna answer the question. - Kids will do that, just in general, too. They stop you in your chat, she's like, "Mm, you know, I've, one of my good friends said, having a child is a daily opportunity to become a better person, and I think that is absolutely the truth." (laughs) - Yeah. - Especially people like Maya. I think that what's remarkable is, you know, I find it interesting, why would she cry, is Maya's question, because May you have an incredible ability to, to look at things that other people avoid looking at? That's a bravery. Lots of people like to avoid these issues and these stories because it makes them feel bad, and they don't want to or can't do anything about it, and so they just avoid it, but you are not, you are facing this all head on and then making us all look at it in this still. Yeah, go ahead. - I was just, when I was putting the pastes up, I felt a bit like Banksy. - Banksy, do you know who Banksy is, Eileen? - No. - Ah, Banksy is a graffiti artist. We like looking at all different forms of kind of music and are we were looking at? Yeah, Banksy is this graffiti artist and he sort of puts up these quite profound pictures several times and he's, he's a bit of an activist himself, so yeah, May have felt like Banksy. - You are definitely an activist. - It reminds me of when 9/11 happened here, there was a lot of video of dogs who could sniff out where people were and we definitely have that kind of thing here that say a lot of dog stuff, but not a pigeon. It's amazing. - Yeah, yeah, animals can be really surprising, can't they? And I think you, you know, you've taught yourself so much about animals and you really like to study animal behavior, don't you, Maya as well? You're quite interested in the psychology of animals because I think that gives you, tell me if I write about this, this is just my assumption, gives you an insight into psychology of humans 'cause I know you sometimes transfer behavior from animals to humans and you're very interested in watching people's behavior as well. And I think that informs your really sensitive writing. What do you think to that? Do you think that's fair to say? - Yeah, some people in my class said that it reminded me and I reminded them of a cross between a horse and a dog. - I did say. - I kind of do the 40 language of animals, it's only. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, and actually that's a really great strategy that you do use, isn't it? Because sometimes you go into a difficult situation and sometimes you're just like, you kind of think like an animal and you sort of become the animal for a little while and it helps you through something that might be quite challenging for humans in our very strange, topsy-turvy world sometimes. Is that fair to say? - Sounds very shamanic to me. In the shamanic world we talk about power animals and animals all the time and I don't know, Maya, you might like the story when my kids were really little, way too soon for them to read Harry Potter, but we used to talk about Harry Potter a little bit and sort of just tell them the story of Harry Potter and I was telling them explaining to them how owls were the messengers, that birds are sometimes messengers and I just pulled up on my phone a picture of owls in Harry Potter and we were sitting in my bedroom and my bedroom was in the corner of the house so there was a window on two sides of the house and a bird hit the window as birds sometimes do and I didn't really get it and I was like, oh, poor bird. Then I continued to talk to him about birds being messengers and the bird flies all the way around our house and hits the other window in my bedroom. I was like, well, how weird is that? And so I was like finished telling them about this and then I hear the bird hit go around the third side of our house and hit the glass door in my kitchen and I walk, go running out there and it's the same bird and I was suddenly it hit me, oh my gosh, this bird is trying to give us a message. So I went and I figured out what kind of bird it was and I looked up the symbology of that kind of bird and the message was very, very clearly for us. And I was like, here I am explaining to my kids that birds are messengers and I'm not getting the message that this bird is trying to send us, but I finally did get it. But I love that. I love looking at animals and how they live and how they eat and I think they can teach us a lot about ourselves. - You enjoyed that story, didn't you, Mia? (laughing) - Yeah, yeah, see you giggling along to that. And I think, you know, we're talking about lots of the, like wonderful things that you do and the great things, 'cause you mentioned running as well and you are this fantastic little spinter and long jumpo and you do that sometimes three times a week now, don't you? You're really getting into your athletics. But this is a real turning point for you. You know, let's go back to your poem. Things went so easy, so long ago. And the reason why I'm saying this, Mia, is that happy endings are wonderful things, but there's a lot of people listening to these podcasts that one need to know that happy endings are possible. Oh, excuse us. - Speaking of the animals with the master. - Yeah, yeah, there was only so long she was gonna keep quiet and not join in the family show. But yeah, you know, there's a lot of people that listen to our podcasts that are somewhere along their journey, where the struggle might still be going on for them. And you know, struggles with mental illness, they're really, really cruel, aren't they? They don't care if you're 10, 11, 12 years old, 45 years old, 75 years old. You know, they're just gonna pick on you wherever you're at in your life. And it's a real sign of strength to overcome that. And it's a real, it's something really worth celebrating. But it's definitely something to remember people that are partway along that journey and just taking, put in one foot in front of the other to keep moving forwards. And I think we can say like, you know, for what it's worth to people that you came out the other side stronger and better because of what you went through. Would you agree with that? You really know who you are and what you're about, don't you now? - Yeah. - Yeah. - No one else would say one thing here in Amy again, just correct me if I've got this wrong, but just for people to understand who may not completely understand the medical medium world which is the information we're all using to heal is that Maya did not see doctors or take medication to heal. Amy has, when Amy and I will talk about this more deeply on future podcasts, but Amy's method of helping supporting Maya to heal was to put her in a stress-free environment and make sure that her nutrition and supplements were what they needed to be. Is that fair to say? - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. And did you have trouble maya eating what you needed to eat or taking supplements? Was that, or did you feel comfortable doing that? - And it feels good together. - 'Cause it makes you feel good. - Yeah. - Yeah. And you've seen the results firsthand, haven't you? - Yeah. - Yeah. - We seem to be in a rhythm where heavy metal detox music comes in the afternoon for Maya and Albie rather than breakfast, they do. Lemon wars, celery, there we go to melon, don't we? And then they go on freestyle with some, like, what we call porridge and you call oatmeal or something like that, and then the heavy metal detox music tends to come in the afternoon. And maya, in fact, you know, when we finish up here, it's coming Maya, so don't worry, because it gets to about three o'clock and she's like, I just need my smoothie, something in you says, where's the smoothie? And you have it and then you feel really good after it, don't you? And we've been doing this for years and years now. Since you were tiny, baby stepped our way into it. And now we do, you know, we do it as much as we, well, we do it really well, I would say. I think you kids are amazing and you take your supplements twice a day as well and we really stick to it. But actually, one thing that's, when we went into lockdown, Albie, your younger brother, said, okay, mum, since we're at home, I'll do celery juice every day. 'Cause at that point, I had it in you about three times a week because it was quite stressful fitting it in in the mornings, going off to school and it was really hard. And so, as soon as you said that, I thought, right, we're gonna do this and I'm never going backwards. That's what was in my head. I was like, we're never letting this go once it comes in. - Well, it's funny 'cause when you get that opportunity and take it 'cause we've had that experience in my house, then suddenly everybody feels different and it's less of a struggle because they feel different. Better. - Yeah. - They can voice their concerns, they can look people in the eye, whatever it is, and that feels good 'cause we had Max on the podcast and he said he felt like his world went from 2D to 3D, just this way of describing it. - And what happened for you, Maia, is that you started to talk to people say, "Maia always spoke at home." We didn't realize quite, there are these words and terms that get used here in the UK. They probably have their own set of terms in other parts of the world, but they talk about, with autism, they talk about selective mutism or selectively non-speaking. And these terms were getting thrown around for Maia. But Maia, you didn't really speak at school, did you? You'd speak to your friends, but it was really, really hard to speak to adults. In fact, it was so hard that even talking to my sisters who live in the area, so we would see a lot of them. You didn't used to speak to them either, and you would speak to me and dad. I need to speak to Nanny, who's my mum. And that would kind of be it for adults, but then when you started having the celery juice, I could remember my sisters saying to me, "She talks, she's talking to us," and you would ask them questions. And I'm saying this because, you know, this is the journey of the voice, and here we are sharing your poems. But I think everybody's healing journey is very much a journey of their voice and coming to their own story and understanding who they are. And celery juice played a huge part in that. But really, you're the star of the show, because you're the one that drinks the celery juice, and you're the one that-- - Yep, I've got a big smile on her face, which you all can't see. - Yeah. (laughs) Yeah, so, you know, you can have all the best intentions in the world for children, but they are their own beings. And so, it's a credit to you for taking it on. And you really enjoy the healing information. And it really hooks into, since we are all plant-based here, your passion for animals as well, doesn't it? You're very pleased, very proud to be a vegan, aren't you? - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - I think lots of adults feel trepidation when talking to other people, and they think there's something that it's just who they are. And that's what I love about people's healing stories is because maybe it's not that you're really shy. Maybe it's that you need to get some metals out. (laughs) And, you know, give your brain some new, some nutrition, some glucose, some mineral salts. And then your voice will find its way out into the world, like Meyers did. - And speaking of that, Meyers, did you want to share another piece of work with us before we wrap up today? - Um, yeah. - You do? Yeah, should we give it a go, see how it goes? Do you want to introduce it, or shall I? - Um. - Yeah, and I'll just say your shout-out to all these and very helpful, Jeremy. (laughs) - That's awesome. - Thanks for the help, Albie. - You're in a different room to me, so I can, I don't know what he's doing, but he's making you smile, so thanks, Albie. (laughs) Do you want to say what you want to do? - This is a wrap that I'm a good fake food. - Lovely. Whenever you're ready. - I'm in the mood to ask you what is food, even though I know the common answer. It's something you can choose if you're telling something to do, stop you from feeling hungry. But why don't I sing this song if I'm for a tittle wrong, so please listen up and try and see. F, A, K, E, F is a death, this unconventional mess, since whenever we needed to kill for taste. Why can't pigs, sheep, horses, birds, and rabbits treated in this disgrace? When people hear me say this, they didn't want to think, which is why the feelings fail to make the eyes blink. Why do we need to keep eating these lives? Cook with their facts and times for chips or fries. This is just not the way. These beautiful pizza feelings and deserve their say. A is the aggravation of the insects of our world, spraying harmful chemicals to make our crops more worth. Why are the bees dying and numbers dropping so quick? You do realize there is such a thing as organic aggregation of the land destroyed for our needed crops. You'll need to work together if you want this to stop. K is forward, this is not the way. I don't know whose game this is to play. Growing things in lab front, who knows what? They're making a catch on until it's a normal way to stop. E is for unnaturally unnatural things going in the U and me. Genetic modifications in perfectly good foods. Soy, corn, rakeseed and more. And what we put into this score. Cows and pigs, growing too big, so they're killed early in the pressure size. Chickens like too much eggs are caught in many shriles. These are the truths behind fake things. The lies hidden behind labels like natural colour rings. Real food being extinct, it's on the brink. It's a smoothie of food that you can drink. Food is not just anything you can digest. The massive companies are not anywhere near the best. We are studying this connection in the never ending selection. Thank you for listening and letting me have my say. Now I'll leave it to you. It is your choice for you next day. A, A, K, E, S, E. Bravo. One, two, three. Here comes Mia. Well done. Oh my gosh, I'm so proud of you because that is our first. That's your first airing of the wrap. That's it. It's going out there. Well done, Mia. You're amazing. Well, thank you for coming on and joining us. And I hope that when you get out there in the world that you'll have me an eyelid on your podcast someday, Mia. Yeah. (laughing) Yes, thank you, Mia. Thank you, Amy. Thank you, Maple. This is the dog. (laughing) And thank you, Albie. The Jones family today for touching our hearts and helping us smile and showing us how we can heal and find our voice in this world. And we'll see you on our next podcast. We started Rewild Renew as a way to coach and empower others to heal and connect with their souls. The views and opinions you will hear on the Rewild Renew podcast are ours and are not meant to be medical advice. Please seek professional assistance if you feel you need it. [BLANK_AUDIO]
