Rabbi Joey Soffer Shiurim
bava Batra daf 87
Mr. President, good morning, everybody, today is September 19th. We are on Daft Pivav in Basik in Baba Vatra. We stopped near the top of the page. We're going to go back a couple of lines. Okay. We were discussing the question of "K-Lav, Shell, Kolokayach, Berushut Mokheir, Kana Locana. May you cancel in the domain of the seller? Can I acquire? In my utensils, meaning the buyers of utensils, in the seller's domain." All right. We'll back up to the last case. Tashima. Three lines to the bottom of the page, because I think I got a little off yesterday. Maha, Mahashak, Hamarab, Pohalab, Vejnisan, Latoch Beto, Ben Pasak, Achilomadad, Ben Madad, Achilom Pasak, Shnaheem Lecholim Nahazov. I pulled your donkey or your worker carrying the load into my property, and we did not discuss price whatsoever. It makes no difference if I measured it without discussing the price, or I discussed the price without measuring it, either way, right, Ben Pasak, Achilomadad, we had the price, we didn't have the weight, Ben Madad, we had the weight, Lopezak, no price. Everybody can back out. The buyer, the seller, everybody. Now, these are already on the donkey still, okay? [Inaudible] [Inaudible] My unloaded the donkey and brought these items into the house of the purchaser, right? So sellers donkey sellers sacks right that contain whatever they're containing inside them and he now have the buyers unloaded them Place them in his house and we say like this pasa achalomadad ancient him you hold him the husband by him if we agreed on the price before we waited nobody can back out Why we'll say that because now the buyer has decided to acquire any pro in me made a kinyan he brought it into his house All right Madad achalopasak Shinnehim yecholim la hazobahim Okay, when if they had waited right without fixing the price per pound Anybody everyone can back out even though it's unloaded now What do we see in that the first part of the second half of those bada itah where it says pyrkan kehansana tok beto Pasa achalomadad Nobody can back out which means somehow Right, I was able to acquire these look at that ash bam Pyrkan on the top pyrkan ben mokhe ben mokhehan vid kehansana to shoot off the achanana khaa vere chut lo khaa Right now. They've been placed down into the domain of the buyer Yes, can't he look I've got the achate be hacha nasa Lokana why we shouldn't do lopasak even though bringing it in right? I can't acquire technically yet because we didn't agree on the price Aha nehleh what happens is the he pasa kba tara he When I do decide on the price afterwards that they're now already here and return the price the kanya let us shoot teshimunachimbo Okay, my domain can acquire this object Hilkach, what do we see? Pasa achar achalomadad kanya let us shoot have a nya khola hazor a vilu kodemedidak Why the bishat pisuk kanya let us shoot here the n keh love shall mokhehar meh kehbalaf That's the key My reshoot is it's my it's the buyer's reshoot It's in the bag the utensil that belongs to the seller The sack is his right i'm buying the grain inside the sack Now the sack is in my domain And it allows me to acquire it allows me to acquire And say if it says alma kli law hashi verishutah We don't look like the utensil is its own domain Umedidah na ami loma aqua the measuring that's a different bogeyan because it's not my shock below my dad kanya that that's america It's always we had a price the weight is doesn't doesn't matter. Do illupa sack damim al qulan Medidah ga lo im el taba alna hui we already fixed the price. It doesn't matter anymore Whatever it is it is Villot dameh leh hazilom achar lo ela qur the haz we're going to see that coming up in a minute So what he's saying is like this Mide keh love right we learn it from here. We meet the keh love de mokhehar behishut lokhehar lokhana Since the utensils right of the mokhehar in the reshootal lokheh are not conniven for the mokheh Because they belong to lokheh now even though they're in his bag The buyer acquired it even though the bag Is still belonging to the seller. Yeah, and therefore i just a little money with the wording That's why I still like my shot better. But that's not the way that i'm bombing the plane It's hard to say that also because the only thing that's overriding me keh love here is that it's shoot Right, but that's that's that's that's my that's my that's my keh that's my kehyan But i'm saying if it wasn't in the skies that it's shoot Right if they were in a in a arbitrary place, wouldn't be conniven. Wouldn't be conniven. Okay, but i could Okay, i'm saying that it's shoot the only reason why it's overriding Maybe maybe domain maybe domain is more powerful than the keh love but that's what we're learning I understand i pi su kanya lehishut teh So it's hard to say the keh love de mokhehar behishut lokhehar lokhana as a blanket statement When you when you're going up keh love versus the shoot i get it this shoots gonna win But that's my question though. Is that my question keh love show lokhehishut mokhehar me khanah And you'll tell me how should we should wins That's it's still in a store. Okay, that's that's what that was that's why i'm learning from here that even though it's in the domain of the buyer I'm sorry in the domain of the seller because we look at the you the bag as being the domain of the seller Since it's in the issue of the mokhehar the keh the utensil is irrelevant Okay, but that's the proof i'm saying it's not the same i walk into a store It's in the issue of the store owner first then i'm taking it and putting it in my keh love It's still in the issue of the store owner at that point. Okay, but this is also the same thing What's in here? I have the bear. I have the goods in my bag and i'm walking into the guy's house and the bag still the goods are still with me You're saying that i'm different because the bag was bloated already Yeah, it has the goods in it already. It's keh love keh love is loaded already here I'm taking the thing out of it issue putting it into the bag, right? Okay, I hear Look at the look at the that has been on me the keh love show mokhehir But it should look at look at now. So yeah, yeah, we'll meet the keh love show mokhehir Be sure look at look at now mokhehir Right the buyer can't hold on to it Klomar she and keh love show mokhehir mokhehir I'll be shooting a look here looking at now look here like you just explained, right? The shoe's gonna overpower right, right? Kedektani pirkan No pasa kana you unloaded it. You made a price you own it the khanare shoot lokheh Korden medida We have a piece a die in a period with torch sakim show mokhehir It's still in his bag and the heaven that hand you shoot lokhehir Never tell keh love show mokhehir It's what you just said mentioned, right? We'll watch the hand when they shoot mokhehir Call she ken because she ken keh love the lokhehir Namibir shoot mokhehir If I tell her they shoot at a cliche of her lokheh She'll know lokhehir has cut the mokhehir. She looks like my hand at ata That's not a koshikehir He called it a double koshikehir He just went against the shoot concept No, he didn't he didn't he didn't he didn't because there is a shoot that you're in over there You're in the cells of the shoot, right? And therefore his the shoots more powerful than your than your new tensile Wait, really again. She'll know who's the enemy shoot mokhehir Koshikehir mokhehir Lokhehir Namibir shoot mokhehir Livatehir had a shoot at a kehli Then a shoot of the mokhehir will cancel the the the sorry the end of the shoot Right, right. Here's the shoots gonna cancel my kehli It's close again. He is already mokzak, right? Yeah, okay, fine. So that's his answer. That's the answer That's the answer. That doesn't work. I don't care if you can't show your care But a shoot mokhehir doesn't work right doesn't walk out of this store a different story once i'm still in the store The keh love is not correct. That's what you say. Okay. Okay, so let's go back Yeah, but what may be picked it up won't be bad. He picks it up. Is that good enough? The mask is gonna discuss it right now Yeah, so when I says like this or however, we're assuming probably we're assuming that the the event or the Or the the hamote are an extension of him just like a bag would right now. That's right Right, which which I would assume is not necessarily case because I don't control my bag. I don't have control of my habit necessarily No, he's gonna listen to you. I mean he's evid, but right That's all right, but we're learning for the second half of the case max not the first half Right. I already unloaded the bag from the evid or the hamote And now it's in my house on the floor I'm the buyer and your bag is on the floor in my house And it says over here that once we agree on the price. I've acquired it I don't have to do anything else If you do she's that even though it's still in your bag. I've now acquired it. What does that mean? My domain overrides your utensil Oh domain overrides your utensils. Okay, plug in this the inverse now domain overrides utensils So if I'm the buyer with my bag in your domain your domain overrides my utensil Therefore, I can't apply it. Yeah. Yeah, okay, but it's not yeah, it's not the right It's not an equal case. Oh, that's correct. That's what I was pointing. That's correct That's the issue. I guess that's good. Okay. I'm out of Nachman Well, I'm out of Nachman, but but it's rock. No, who said this is true Be sure if Be sure Sean The case could be in the but when it says pyrkan that he poured out the bags Who said it's still in a bag? You unloaded the donkey. He took the grain bag of grain and he poured on the floor Who said it's in the bag? Ich padraba. Raba got angry when he said this says me di shakhank tani pyrkan tani Insay poured out it says unloaded Okay, fine. Ella. You're right. Don't say unloaded. Ella. We have a different knockout. Ella amar morn bana basha Pimit achle di tume Mazimit achle di tume Could be who said that the donkey was loaded with something that was actually in a sack It could have been bundles of garlic Just start together. Right. Nobody said that in a bag. Who said they're in the bag? Right No, no, no, there's no bag anymore. No, no, but I thought it's not proof whatsoever We have no proof anymore because it wasn't even a utensil. Your whole proof was a new dance. Oh, no, no utensil It doesn't say it's in a utensil. It could be anything Even it all without utensil Okay, so pyrkan of something that was not an utensil is not a proof anymore for me Amal achuna bered dra de mozzutra de la vina Mickey Let's take a look at this for a minute pyrkan katani Right says you unloaded Mali pasaq umali lo pasaq Victor this was your question She says the guy unloaded The bags or unloaded the bundles, right? Yeah, but that means he made a hagba Picked it up What do I care what happened afterwards? Right. Why does it make a difference? Right mali Mali it says it says mikde pyrkan katani Mali pasaq umali lo pasaq Why do I care if they fix the price in advance or not if the guy made a kinyan you made a kinyan? It's his deal with the price later. What's the difference? So it's no amalet pasaq san kadate lo pasaq lo san kadate If they hadn't agreed upon price Remember in order for someone to acquire the buyer has to release his ownership Sorry, the seller has to release his ownership Right, he's not releasing his ownership unless he knows that this is going to be a deal that he's willing to make Right pick up all day long Right something up in the store Is it so make that to let go of the ownership? If we agree on a price and then you pick it up, I got you no problem. I'm so make that understand But if we don't I don't know what you're doing. Are you just checking it? I have no idea I don't know. I'm not really seeing my ownership So therefore the the actual pyrkan can't be the acquisition right unloading the donkey Can't be the acquisition unless they already discussed price if they haven't discussed the price yet Just because the guy picked it up doesn't mean he acquired it because the seller hasn't reliqued his ownership He doesn't know if he wants to give it to this guy. All right, okay Amalet a vina la la vasha Tasha maha Dada bushmo da amrita vayu kilav shill adam cornelo bikol makol Okay, so we didn't have an answer before because we knocked it out by saying right it could have been something that was not under utensil And then we had a little side question about the habaha which we put aside now And we're going back to the question. I want to know I don't have a proof anymore now because you told me this case was with garlic. It was not not bad So go back. Do we do we have a question what happens with the utensil of the buyer in the domain of the seller? So he says come learn a proof from ravage one that said what kilav shill adam cornelo bikol makol Your utensil can acquire anywhere now when you say anywhere i'm assuming that also means in the domain of the seller, right? La toi amai right bechon la cum la toi amai, right? That's a lot. La vo la toi and you shouldn't have Right isn't it? I'll talk about the case of the domain of the seller Says in one hour. Yes, but hatam de amalizil kini That is in a case where the seller tells the buyer go acquire. I want you to acquire. I agree You can I'm selling to you. So that is now my utensil Can acquire for me in the domain of the seller when he instructs me to make it kinyat So if I put it into my bag in his house After we he says okay deal my brook and I put in the bit finish. It's mine now But that doesn't mean it's happening everywhere without zeal kinye. It doesn't work Right. That's what the that's what the uh store So in the store. That's the question now. It's implied. Right. I think everything in the store is zeal kiny I want you to I want you to acquire me further. Right. I well, uh, yes I know max If the if the price is listed if the price is listed then yes, some places there's no price I don't know what is I go to the register. What all how much is this? Right. That means I didn't intend to acquire it. Right. Right because they don't need to but it also needs Jonathan's example Jonathan's example where it's not really set including or however you need to take the price right if the price is fixed Right, and it's there and you picked up put in the cart according to this. You own it Yeah, so wait so now so this concept of the guy of the second well that would be also We're gonna have to be your own cart right not the not the store car Yeah, because that's his though. He has to use your utensil So that's to be my granny cart that I came with right on my backpack and I put it in there And I went to the register now your own from before right so if you walk into a store that it says you you know You touch it you you know, you know, you make it right. Right, right, right? This shows any would not look You really have no why I mean why can he means to us I want you to go by acquire right So I'm saying if you walk into a store and it says what if you pick it up you bought it the same as the thing No, you touch it. They're saying it because they don't want you to touch the merchandise Antique store this and that's not right. That's right. That would be the opposite. Yes. Right, right, right, right Good. Okay And if you go if you don't have the pink and the big old liquid you get those scanners that go on your car Yes. Yes. Great. Have it before the brook one has it also the brook one has it also I thought they were going to you and yeah, yeah, they give you a hand on you walk around so that I would say It's like your car. Yeah. Yeah, 100. I would say that's what we're doing You scanned it. You own it finish it to us even though you didn't pay yet. That's the matter. No, you Yeah, I agree. The scanner is I'm taking it. That's me. I agree Yeah, look at the look at the dashbam on Zilkini, where is he? There's a Hat um I can't do the sheen. Okay, if I ever get no Yeah, Hatem the amarele third white line. Yeah third white line down Hatem the amarele mochair zilkini meaning what I need. Oh, it says she can't kill it Want you to quiet with you touch the command the Moshele maccoma nachate ke love the mayor Right key can be by a land stama That paraita is talking about a case where the guy said go acquire it And when he does that it says if he's allowing your utensil to rest on his domain And it's as if he lent you that space where it is So therefore it's now yours and you could acquire that utensil and our question is didn't discuss it at all He just walked into the store and put it in the thing. Yeah, okay No answer say what the pute king case So pikon now when we go back to the case we said that was bakan was talking about a case where it was unloaded was uh, nothing big Doesn't matter, but it doesn't matter if it's a bit of a zilkini. It doesn't matter if it's in bigs That's why it says that that's why it says that without a price You don't acquire if you madad right villo pacak Right, but pacak without madad you you got it now because you you get a price So that that's zilkini now because i know what it is go go acquire And it's order you have to automatically assume that that your pacak in that case The only way it's gonna work is with pacak correct because otherwise it doesn't work That's the that we learned from the top pacak at shaloma dad Right if we measure the price without engineering or hazobo because you were posek once you're posek, it's zilkini and i made the acquisition by lifting and it's done Okay, tonan hat um Nissa nika sim shi eishna machayut nikin bikesta bistar ochazaka. We learned that in uh Bikyu dushin right that you can acquire Assets right that have a haiut which is land with kesif shtar ochazaka Sheila machayut if it's not land, it's metathaline and niklin ella be michikah The only way you can acquire it is through a michikah, which is pulling it from one domain to the other Bissura mat na mat nulla hashma atteta machma atta machma atta vishme de rafchizda In sura, they said that that statement was rafchizda Be pupuditha mat nullamishme de rafkana In pupuditha says rafkana. I'm elamishme de raba And the following the qualification lo shanu ella bit warin shein darkan lagbiyah When you say that metathaline can only be acquired through michikah Pulling from one domain to the other. That's only things. That's not normal to lift Aval de varisha darkan lagbiyah behag baha in the michikah lo Okay, so The things that are normally are able to lift You must acquire through lifting if you did a michikah on something that was liftable It's not an acquisition Michikah is only for things that you can't pick up. That's what they say something big heavy I can't move on something right. That's what he's saying anything that's small The way to acquire it is hagbaha pick it up Okay, yativ aba yevikah amalashma atta He said over this statement that the only way that you can acquire things that are small is hagbaha Not a michikah, aitivir aba aba ya they challenged aba yevikah with the following hagbaha Say what? Yeah, you can listen. All right. You can't listen ox. So you pull michikah. You pull it make it come You have to pull Hagonev kispishabak. We learned this way back in Shabbat I think the beginning daf ala, hey something like that. Where's the beginning somewhere Shabbat daf saadi ala, but it's before that also That's that's the that's the that's the that's the case of the Sadhih alaf is the shoot to arrow through the domains Okay, we say khaa, kul takimishu un khadamya Yeah, but this this this is even the beginning. It's like daf hey that we have the beginning of shabbat also Hagonev kispishabak, khaa yev Shikwanit khaa yevik mhevah kodib shayav alli dei su shabbat Okay, stole somebody's wallet on shabbat, right? You're going to be khaa yev For paying back the money and mink what you do, you took it from private domain to the public domain You did a huatsa aa, which is doraita skila to death penalty And we know there's a concept the kingdom did have been there when the guy is khaa yev amon and death We give him death he doesn't have to pay But he says if you go nev kispishabat if you stole the wallet You're haa yev to pay the money back even though we're going to kill you Why shikwanit khaa yevik mhevah kodib shayav alli dei su shabbat You were already obligated in returning the money that was stolen before you transgress shabbat You stole it inside his house You are haa yev to be killed for shabbat until after you took it out of his house At that point you already a thief you want the money from before when you stole it you're the money You want khaa yev mhevah yet? Taking it outside cause lemita now let's continue haa yamigarir vyotse migarir vyotse patoor If you're dragging the wallet on the floor and you pulled it out of the guy's house into the street Now your patoor Why shirei sull shabbat ugni vah ba in kehad Because now it is a simultaneous simultaneous transgression The isur of shabbat hocha haa and the isur of the theft Happened at the same point in time the minute you remove the wallet out of the domain Cause you dragged it on the floor. You didn't pick it up. You didn't make a hagbaha. You will do a michikah You made a michikah and you pulled it out and now you're haa yev stop stop stop stop You just told me michikah doesn't work for things that you can lift This tells me i'm oblige i'm haa yev for stealing This is going to another issue. No, that's okay for shirebat i don't problem but what about the stuff? Is that is that what makes a kehnevah? My in general michikah is pulling into the other shoe. That's what i understand But you can't do michikah and something that you can do habaha. That's exactly the question i should be patoor So my question is if you go from it if you go from one rest route to another issue Right, we learned up here to shoot kohok. Right. Does that make something automatically change Hands and that is considered gehnevah that it is but it doesn't work for the acquisition of the wallet Why not? Because my issue should be that acquisition you told me anything that's that's the habaha Cannot be acquired through michikah. Correct. Switching domains is a michikah You told me it doesn't work I understand but it's now it's in that so why would the guinevah kick in when he got to another issue That's exactly the question. That's the question. It shouldn't happen He should be shireb for shirebat michah and not have to pay for the money I'd have to pay the money also. No, he didn't steal. He didn't steal. He didn't steal. He just did a whole talk That's the question. Right. He didn't steal. Of course. Do you at least I have a question here again before we talk about our previous question about what's what's the we said? How was this? No, the michikah The tonanha time was by by the case of of niechasim shaysham the habaha because it's never hazaka that's yeah, that's kirushin Right and all told over there was a supporting our previous case. It's not Has nothing to do with the keilab shaysham. Okay, we should look at nothing zero Okay, so no peace. So no peace. No peace. Yes. So if you forget about the thief steals the money Yeah, and then he goes into someone right No, oh It's only when you do the simultaneous act that's kayaf two things if it's the visa hazah you have both So that's okay. So that's then he would have to pay and then we'd be killed You have to pay still of course So we're over here. I'm pulling it out of the house on the floor Why don't I be high up for taking it out when he gets outside of the house? That's from the true that he doesn't mean At the same point when I'm dragging the floor. I haven't stolen yet. I'm dragging inside his house. I ain't steal it When do I steal it when I took it out of his house? So they're happening exactly the same point when I took it from inside to outside When I stole it, it's also what I took it from inside the outside. Yeah So that's when you don't have to pay Now that's a problem because you told me pulling something doesn't work for things that can be lifted while it can be lifted Why am I shy off? I shouldn't be considered the thief even I can be shy off the shabbat because it holds the eyes Oh, it's ah, I took it from the city to join me Different rules, but stealing I didn't steal it. You told me the only way to acquire it That's it's to lift it. I didn't lift it. I dragged it Good. So he says like this But we he would be actually not there. I'll be taught. Let's see how he would have a morning in it Yeah, yeah, of course Right, so I'm saying so if he didn't get warned, so he's not actually I have your top and he's really happy No, yeah, no, but you still don't pay it doesn't matter. You don't have to get the death You don't have to get the death penalty. You have to be right away for the death penalty Oh, wow. Yeah, you still don't pay Yeah, so Okay, so how you're gonna be the same you're gonna be on say patour Why should it sushi about to be able to have our keys this wallet did paragapahu? It's liftable Right there are feel who are you turning the machine, huh? It says You're gonna have for michika. All right, you told me I'm not I'm a little bit No, I'm not me. I'm a bit. I'm a little bit now. He says no no that case of the wallet. You know what's it? It's on a string You're pulling the string She says I don't know if you're a carmina. I also said before when you have a hak baha thing Right that you can make hak baha even if you're pulling with a string It's not cool. It's not cool. Yeah, especially car doesn't work No, no, I'm gonna live. You know the same what I'm saying. He says I'm a little bit me. Did they buy mith not? I'm talking about something that can only be Dragged when it's when it has a string on it something very heavy Right when I said right that it doesn't work the hak baha It's because it can't be lifted That's what I said. You need to make a michika Means I'm not disagreeing that you can make a michika on small things I'm saying things that you cannot make a hak baha on can only be acquired through michika Okay, so how do you explain this case then? No again. I don't disagree I agree the wallet you could be high up. Why because I When I told you anything that's not we for hak baha You can't make a michika on Yeah, all right and what I was saying was Things that need hak baha But you cannot make a hak baha on them because they're too big You must make a michika. I'm not saying things that need michika hak baha can't make a michika. They can There are some things that you cannot make hak baha on so you have to make michika I'm not following I have a wallet. Yeah, I'm pulling it out works with a string, right? Why am I talking about I can do hak baha on that. Again, I recall I'm restating my original statement I read I'm going before you understood what I said to you things that need to have Hak baha have to be hak baha that can't be michika. That was all about what I'm saying was anything that can't have hak baha You can do shika Okay Anything they can have hak baha you can do michika Yeah, so I can't do michika anything that you can't do another can anything that can't do hak baha on you can do michika It's too big. I cannot do hak baha. It's too big. I require michika. That's what we're saying I understand so so either when it's small, I can do either hak baha or michika That's what he's saying he's saying he works because otherwise there's a problem with the michika I hear and I that's why I saw the problem. Yeah, that's what he said. It doesn't make sense to say like that. Oh, fine So that's what he says Where is that okay, he says Hey, look it down. I'm a little I'm a little bit mittna Ka she goes down, right? I said no I had a string on it The savor of other the kiskatannu the tamalta nuzet the amount of anime mittna ka amina the alpha gaff the ikabimitna der kolabia I'm on the no the hazi le mittna ka amina. He's got all my own Too big the treasure chest can't move it Ka, she's not a man a nihon. I'm a sati. That's what he means He's you when I when I say he was too big to lift Too big to lift needs a michika. Actually, he's not also he's saying they're holding on. He's holding on He's holding on to his real statement. I agree. He's not retracting right that case works because he couldn't do a bad You couldn't do a bad. That's why that's why i'm doing michika, correct. But technically it doesn't work. I agree. I agree, I agree I've attracted absolutely that's what he's saying 100% he's saying that if it was small you have to lift it The case is that you didn't bring over here. The reason why I'm both you couldn't lift it. It's giant Okay, fine Tashima try again Tashima from one issue to another issue wouldn't be considered a bad. No, it's michika michika Because hagbaa works even in the other domain. Right. It works in the other domain Right. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Right. Tashimaa learn again If you're in the domain of the seller you can't acquire it until you make a hagbaa Like I just told you to acquire hagbaa anywhere Or atchotsi in the michika or until you take it out of the domain of the seller Now alma me did the bad hagbaa. He buy bad bahag hagnaile. He buyed michika hagnaile There's two options in here. It says right. It says hagbaa or take it out of his domain. Now take it out of his domain is a michika So as I can do either one. All right, so there you go. Well, you tell me I can only do hagbaa. I can do either The by michika hagnaile. I'm gonna have not gone by it's hagna. No, no, it's tatin ktanee This bada is not it read to be read straight. It's been each part of the bada is discussing a different case me di di bada hagbaa Me di di bada michika You write these two options in the bada hag but the two options are not for the same item Depends what the item is if the item is a hagbaa item. So it's hagbaa if it's a michika item. It's a michika No proof. Okay. Tashima I'm okay. Good. Oh, I'm selling you my fruits Mashaq Villomadad you made a michika which over here means you took them out of the domain Right. We're still trying to prove that you're trying to prove that Would also be cornea with michika. What you told me that if it's hagbaa, it's only hagbaa not michika. I'm challenging you Try to prove that might be both That's more correct tashima. I'm okay. Good. Oh, I'm selling you my fruit Mashaq Villomadad I pulled the michika. I didn't weigh it kane The hape rote de bene hagbaanin who octani de katani the kane michika It says mashaq It says I was cornea with michika on fruit. Last time I checked I can pick up an apple I can pick up watermelon. I don't think there any fruit that you can pick up So so it says a hagbaa in my ashkinan Bishli fi davrebe No, no, you know what they are big sacks. Yeah big sacks big sacks of produce that you can only pull you can't lift It says time out ihahi ima sefa. If you tell me it's a big sack So keep reading it says over there. I look here. Pish tan mihabero if you're buying flax From your friend. What's the back on the air in there? Harese lo kana aa chitat de le no me ma cum ze le ma cum achir Okay, you can only acquire it through Carrying it from one place to the other, which is a michika Atu pishtan Bishli fi davrebe milo abde Says what pishtan Is not made in big sacks Was pishtan doing any different look at the lach balm right across hacha I've been mind i'm gonna get there Bishli fi davrebe was the answer from before atu pishtan first wide line Atu pishtan bishtan bishli fi davre milo abde ke moperot with me. Ah Vittani behu nami michika so apparently this statement of Of lo kana aa chitat de le no me ma cum ze ma cum is a hacha baha not a michika Because otherwise i wouldn't have a question right Looks like it's a hacha baha Right Yeah, it's a hacha baha so you talk to le no me ma cum le ma cum is not the same as as As taking it from one domain to the others just picking it up. That's a hacha baha So it says the safest as you're telling me it's big sacks And then it says but I can acquire pishtan With a hacha baha what are you telling me atu pishtan bishli fi davre milo abde Well, but they don't put pishtan in big sacks. How come it says I can make a pick I can make them a hacha It's according to you. It should be a big sack. I shouldn't be I shouldn't be able to make a baha She has to be a michika No, no shani pishtan de michtan meat Yeah, yeah, they don't make pishtan in big sacks because it falls apart Hasha bam says on the second white line Shani pishtan de michtan meat. Yeah, I make only package in small bundles Shamah leak the engine really not so in minu masa out get a lot. You see you can't make big piles out of it He'll cut by hagba ha did a copy car. So it is consistent That's it. There's a bit of honey up here. Shani pishtan de michtan meat. Keep a bunch of image You have a shirt manatek. It's done minute minute Men mitt natek they end up calling him a chef. It's it snaps Breaks you can't pull it the firakh can't be too too. You have to lift it falls apart Okay, either way the bottom line is that you don't normal way to make a kinyan on flax is a hagba ha And therefore even though it's not consistent with the nation of the barai tah, which is a big sack And that's why it says michi ha not hagba ha it was fruits. Oh fruits hagba. No. No, it's a big sack You have to make a michi ha oh, it's a big sack. How come it says I make a hagba ha on flax? No, because the flax is in a small sack or because we can't package it. It falls apart. Whatever. Okay, fine Yeah, right Ama vina la la vashir tashima try again Behemah gassan equid to miseira right a large animal like you were talking about before mr mister catean right with the ox or whatever it is. I can acquire through miseira. I hand over the rings Deha da ka the small animal behagba ha if they lift it divinity be me here Be shimomba no as our decha mean on rim behemah da ka be michi ha You make a michi ha on the small animal small little Baby sheep mary had a little lamb and little lamb baby ones. They're tiny. You can pick it up. No problem says over here michi ha Pull what do you mean? You can lift you can lift it. You told me anything that's liftable. You can't make a michi ha This baby goat whatever it is right is bhar hagba ha and it says I can make a michi ha challenge Beha behemah da ka the bhar hagba ha if you don't need the bhar hagba the kind of michi ha No much as shani behemah da sacha An animal is different in that it clings to the ground doesn't want to let you lift it up So you need to make a michi ha on it sacha Okay, look at the rish balm says sacha misterrech it will meet but meet the bechit bera gli ha bha kar ka The law of shaaba habaha kimbe koshi very difficult to lift it up. He'll cut or she have a michi ha. That's the normal way to do it Fine. So no proof again Raab al shmoda amrita baihu kur bishnoshim animor kelecha Okay, i'm going to sell you one kur for 30 Okay, and a kur is the That's 30 seah, okay, so i'm selling you basically one one denah one one sela sela per seah right kur bishnoshim animor kelecha Yaqul a hazorbo afilabise aha rona So we stop measuring one seah two seah three seah four seah far Now the deal is not done till it got to 30 So if I want to back out at 29 I could back out Because i'm selling you kur bishnoshim When I get to the kur you'll give me the 30 I'm measuring it out. I want to stop in the middle and retract. I can retract Okay, seah beseah kur bishnoshim seah besela animor kelecha I'm selling you one kur for 30 at one sela per kur But first of all per per seah Then right the shonly shon kana Because now every one at an individual price attached to it. They were say they were sela each It wasn't a group package deal. It was a one by once good tashimah I'm hightag. Well. Oh, that was to ask this question. I'm hightam i dasha leha mihan Rishon Rishon kana You told me in back in the case of the bara mishna That if the measuring cup belonged to either the bar or the seller Every time you put something in there, they've acquired it now over there in the mishna They didn't they didn't discuss right the uh the case of one uh kur per once uh one Per sela didn't say that mishna didn't say so how they acquiring Right you told me Rishon rishon kana and the mishna even though they didn't discuss a fractional price for every seah Then do that how's that it's against this mishna the af algab de lonid mal amidah Right even though the cup was not fully full yet We said that each guy the guy will acquire as it goes into the cup he's acquiring How's that happening you told me a middle ago kur bishna shimani so no helecha I feel the kur a hana like it back out And then the mishna case is that case where it wasn't discussed right individual prices for increments Right He's not doing like that everything right exactly so he says no kegon de amar le Heen bishna ma sas la i'm lul besela an imo kelecha Ugh de amar kana shena tota you be heen hahana me shena tota you be me dot So they qualify the mishna as a case where we did discuss a fractional price And the cup has markings on it That I know as it gets a measuring cup has lines as it gets filled So I know we had a fractional price and I know what's there. It's rishon nishon kana Okay, fine We'll stop you continue tomorrow. I'm in i'm in i'm in zakubaruk Thank you rabbi my pleasure have a great day guys [BLANK_AUDIO]