- By today's September 15th, 2024, this is the Mobile Fuse Podcast by 128. Not a goss-a-war on going around the horn, it's the good Dr. John Westvall, as always. Swen Johansson and Steve Hughes. And I wanted to gather some of the folks I could, I could get on board today to talk about the app, some of the Apple announcements plus some other stuff. But Swen, first I wanted to ask you, did you get your Pixel 9 Pro? Is that what you got? - I did, I did, Pro Max, Pro America, the biggest one. Yep, I got it. - Yeah, and then. - I'm really happy with it, it's very nice. I guess my issue is that I'm kind of partial to the greenish cases. - Yes, I know that. - So now I have a hard time telling my Apple from my, I have to look at the, I have to look at the back to see if it's got a gear and Apple on it. - Yeah. - Yeah, it's quick, it's got a good screen on it. Battery life is really good. It's better than my 14 Pro Max. I don't know if it'll be better than my 16 Pro Max, but it's certainly better than that one. Fingerprint realer on screen fingerprint rear works very well. - Yes, I do. - Face ID works fine. And that, excuse me, that's a rich dirt trademark. Face, open or whatever the heck you would call it. - But yeah, that all works very nicely. You know, if it weren't for the family iPhone addiction, I would have no problem moving to this thing. - Yeah. - It's a very nice, I mean. - Are the AI features turned on already? Or is that something else? - Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, I do have Gemini and Gemini Advanced because I got that free with buying the thing. - Years of the year, yeah. - I haven't used a lot of it. I'm not a fan of it. I just don't see a great need for it for me. Like I said, I think the other day I asked, you know, what's good to eat around here? And it said, what would you like? And I said Italian and it just clammed up. It didn't say anything. You know, it couldn't figure out what I wanted. So then it asked me, well, what are you looking for fast food or what? I said, how about Italian? - Yeah. - And it's just kind of- - They got confused. - Yeah, got confused. Maybe I mispronounced Italian or something. (laughing) But yeah, so I like it. Moving from my previous phone to that was seamless. Just picked everything up, including the carrier. So and it's, and it's ECIM. So that's one of those things where, you know, in the past, you pop the SIM out of one phone, put it in another, done. - Yeah. - Now you gotta make sure that things work. - Yeah, I know what you mean. And there's like a did relay for propagation or there used to be at least last time I did it last year. - Yeah, no, this one was almost instant. - Oh, really? - It's it that, you know, when I brought this one up, the new one up, it said, hey, we wanna move. - Yeah. - You wanna move the SIM as well as all the other stuff? Yep. Boom. And the other one shut off and this one came on. - Have you taken any photos? I guess you had an eight. So it wouldn't need that much difference in the photo quality or anything. So. - Yeah, not much. I had an eight. I had an eight A and there was kind of a problem. I had to move a fair number of things because I had, my wife had a seven. I had an eight A and I traded in her seven and gave her the eight. So I had three way new things to do when it all came in. - Right. - It all worked, you know, just set me on watching TV and said, okay, do this way to work. Okay, do that. - Do I see in our show notes that you bought a Pixel Watch 3 also? - I did. That's on my wrist. - Ooh. - I don't know. I like it too. And it's kind of wondering about Apple, but, you know. - The budget works on it too, right? - You know, I haven't really worried about it. I know it works on my Apple Watch, but, you know, it becomes one of those things. - I swear to watches. - I'm breathing. So I seem to be doing okay. I get sleep with it one night. So it's got the tracking on it and it tells you, you know, you got to sleep with about six nights to, for it to really give you some good information. I'm thinking about doing that. - Now, Google does have a Pixel Watch have a O2 sensor. - Yeah, yeah. - So unlike Apple, they paint their license fees or whatever. I guess. - Yeah. - They're cutting fees. - Yeah. - Okay. - So I don't like Apple doesn't know how you'll mess them up. - Well, I think they have fixed that, don't they? I thought they changed something in their programming that now they're not infringing anymore or something. - Apparently the 16 is going to ship without the SPO2 turned on. I think the hardware there is just not accessible. - You mean the new watch? - The new watch story. - The new watch. - Yeah, yeah. - Serious 10, sorry. - Yeah. And really paid much attention to that. But it is going to do sleep apnea. - Yes, it is. - Which is essentially... - Oxygen tracking. - No, they're not using oxygen because they can. - I know what I mean. - I know, but I mean, that's essentially what you're worried about. - So they're using apparently body movements and they've done enough work to save that with confidence. I think that maybe not the FDA, but some governing body approved it for as a medical device. - Yeah, they have it said like, "Yes, they did use too." - Yeah. - 'Cause I don't know if they're going to use an audio sensor as well too to check for like a snoring or lack of air flow. - Yes, Steven would know. But before we get to your other purchases, I did want to mention a couple of quick things. So John has been listening to me very patiently complaining about that my inability to print anything from my service bro 11. So when you've had problems, I know, but I've had nothing but problems. Trying three different printers, two different brands, you know, that sort of thing. So the other week, I finally tried my HP. I try it like every two weeks or so. And finally printed, so I was like pretty happy. - Did it print something you just recently printed or did you print something that you had tried to print two weeks ago and it just came out? - No, it printed something that I sent to the printer. You know, I literally, you know, said here's a document try to print it, expecting it to just reject it. But it worked and that was an HP inkjet type printer. What is it called? Officejet. And last night I said, well, I'll try the even harder one. And that's, it's a eight and a half by 11. Actually, this had a role in it. Well, it's eight and a half by 11, you know, little thermal printer. And it has an ARM driver that didn't work initially. And it worked last night. I reinstalled it and it worked. And I printed out a test page. And so I'm pretty happy. I can print like a, you know, like a real person now. (laughs) So pretty happy with that. - Yeah, that's a nice looking little printer. You put a picture in there in the show notes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I did put a picture in the show notes for you guys to see. So it's really tiny. As you can see in relation to the page, it printed out. It's one of John's favorite brands, the Fomimo. This actually does document size stuff and no color. This is black and white. Oh, I guess the other Fomimos are not color either, as you can see. Okay, so now to the main part of the story of which I see Swin has already bought stuff. So Apple had their, Apple, their September 10th? Yeah, September 10th, 9th. - 9th, he was a 9th, wasn't it? - Yeah, you're right. September 9th event day before the presidential debate and the day before 9/11. So, you know, although Apple has announced the 9/11 previously, but anyway. So no big surprises. I don't think there are any surprises. Even the things that weren't announced wasn't a surprise, but I'll just say this start off that I'm pretty sure I'm going to replace my series six watch with a series 10. I haven't pulled the trigger on Indian. I may go to Costco and buy it from there, Steve, it's cheaper. But I did order one for my daughter. So she has an Apple watch coming in that's going to be her birthday present. So. - It's a pretty good upgrade though. I mean, it's a bigger screen. - Yeah. - And also has a new S10 chip in it, which surprisingly the new Ultra 2 does not watch. - Yeah, the new Ultra 2 is real and new Ultra 2. - Yeah, it's the same Ultra 2. It's just a different color. - Yeah, yeah. So it's a year old, you know, in the last year's watch with a new color. We have a few of those things from this now. - What's like the AirPods Pro, right? - AirPods Pro is still AirPods Pro 2. - Yeah. - Except that it's going to get a firmware update to become a hearing aid. - Mm-hmm. - Because you're approved. And so if you want the new stuff, you got to buy the AirPods amateur. - It might actually be the thing that gets my mother-in-law to upgrade from her iPhone 8 to actually get the ability to use AirPods Pro 2 because she's been stuck on iOS 16. - It's just sort of amazing that iOS or the iPhone 8 is still working happily in the wild today by, you know, by people who otherwise she would not upgrade. But yeah, I sort of had a suspicion with the Ultra 2 that we weren't going to see a refresh this year. The Ultra seems like Apple wants to put it on an 18 to 24 month refresh cycle, not a 12 month refresh cycle. So this seems like it just sort of kept the interest alive in the Ultra, so don't forget we still have the Ultra, but we're not going to keep re-upgrading it every single year. The new Milanese loop looks interesting though, that's definitely cool for the Ultra. Yeah, that's what- - The Apple Ultra is the iPad Mini of the watch family. - That's why it was because Apple still remembers about it. - Yeah. - And I've got many Apple tries to forget exists between refreshes. - Yeah, I'm still pretty happy with my Ultra 1. - Sorry, I said I said I said, I was pretty, I'm still happy with my original Ultra that's, I mean, there's nothing wrong with it. - So John, did you order a new Ultra or a new iPhone? 'Cause I know you're- - I did, I ordered an iPhone 16 Pro, the 256. I was thinking of doing a 128 and then a friend of mine convinced me to go with the 256. - I agree with you, Frank. - But the thing that I was wondering about, you know, with Tada or with Swen upgrading and all that, you know, I still am at the old school camp of I set up devices new. When I go between massive hardware jumps, I don't restore from backup, just 'cause I still am paranoid that I'm gonna bring over some bad behaviors from the backup. Am I the only one doing that? Or are other people still creating new or, you know, not restoring from backup? - I restore from backup. - I restore from backup. - I'm not sure how you phrase it. I restore it from the other phone. - Yeah. - Okay. - It's the same. - You set them next to each other, you hang one over the other and it says, let me move this stuff over. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I don't though, which is, I don't. I actually... - Oh, that's true for the iPad, I don't, just for the iPad. - Well, and I realized when I got my last iPad, I didn't do any kind of restore. And I really like that iPad because it doesn't have a lot of junk on it that I had installed for years and years. The previous iPad I'd had the same setup for six years on. And just as part of a fun experiment, I went to my MDM software and dumped a list of my apps on my iPhone and went through all 208 apps. - Wow. - And decided which ones needed to be reinstalled and which ones could be deferred until I actually needed them again. And it was about a quarter of them. We're actually, yeah, I use this enough where I need to have it installed regularly. But the other three quarters, they can wait until they're needed. - As an app is a little cloud to help you out there too, like uninstalls it and you don't really not worry about it. Then you can reboot the ones that are clouds. - Yeah, you can do something like that, but I still don't really trust that either. This is all for you, I don't trust. (laughing) I'm very curmudgeonly about this stuff. - It's somewhat really interesting. (laughing) - Yeah, yeah. It's like I grew up with a flaky sync client that Microsoft wrote. And so I've been burned way too many times. - Get into trouble. - Well, I guess I can't get over. Remember when we all had SD cards filled with cab files. But then SD cards filled with APK files. And just to set up a new device was okay, here's my SD card, let me just go through and reinstall all these things. - We were so proud. I remember that those days. But then we also had the activation keys. - Yeah, we had to flash firmware every few months anyway to get something new and new ROMs and everything also. Yeah, we had to be able to rapidly deploy a device and get it up and running in 20 minutes or so so we could be using it, yeah. - All righty, so you bought a phone? No, did you buy it? I'm sorry, did you replace it? Because you don't newish watch, as I recall. - Yeah, I have an ultra two. So I didn't replace that. I didn't replace my AirPods Pro 2s because they'll get the software from AirPods. So I didn't really, despite that hearing aid functionality being what I think is kind of the sleeper thing that was dropped in the launch. I agree with a lot of people talking about that. - It's, for me, I'm just looking forward to jumping from an iPhone 13 to an iPhone 16. I have not expected huge jumps from the last year of Apple. Although they leaned hard into Apple intelligence. They announced pretty much the same things that they announced at WWDC. They just showed them up again. I'm convinced they just reused some of Craig Federighi's stuff from WWDC and just used an AI to make them sound slightly different, put them in a different background, but it was some of the same demos. And so they are leaning hard. - And you need a new A18 chip in order to take advantage of Apple intelligence. - Yeah, yeah. - Which is unfortunate. I'm like, is it a software coded? Like they do with all their other stuff, like the camera functions, where your phones can do it, but they just disable the software. So it's kind of disturbing on a lot of computers. - Yeah. And how much does it really use of that processor? The new neural chip that they have in there too, and the A18 and the A18 Pro. And there's a much difference between the A18 and A18 Pro. I didn't see much in their press announcement about it. So it probably does probably gaining probably a little bit better. It may be something like that. - I mean, they were specific on the differences. You know, they just said, you know, it's new and better, faster, for an ear. - Yes, and there's now no really big differences in the cameras now with the Pro's either, with the Pro's and the Pro's and X. Before there used to be, you know, that they all benefit from the new cameras. - Yeah, yeah. You used to get the giant, you have to get the giant one to get the 5X off it. - Yeah, you lose 3X optical too. You lose the 3X optical version. And that's mostly digital, which is, so people are concerned about that doing like nice portraits with the optical lens. The older version has it, but. - The other thing that was kind of nice is the camera control. It seems like the entire line is getting that. - Yeah. - Rather than just the Pro's. - Yeah. - That's kind of kind of nice for everybody. - Oh yeah, that's a nice saturate head. There's like a precious sensitivity on the-- - Yeah, both of that and slide again. - Yeah. - Oh yeah, there's one thing for the-- - Yeah, the head press to focus is gonna come later. Like a lot of the AI stuff. - Yeah. - When you guys have got that, hopefully, this fall, like they said, or next year, hopefully we'll get the play with it. But that's always, and I guess the people who played with the camera capture control, I guess it was a very from person to person how they used it using the sliding or doing the half press. So I think it just takes getting used to or some of what people are used to, how they use a regular camera, so. - Well, they get people to shoot in landscape when they shoot at a shooting landscape all along and it's a portrait. Is this battle's fight against portrait video? - Yeah. - They're fighting against-- - They're fighting against-- - I went for left-handers either too, so. - I think-- - Sorry. - Yeah, they're-- - Left-handers get used to the thumb. - Yeah. - You know, you turn it the other way and-- - Oh yeah. (laughs) - I never thought of that. - Okay, Sven. So what did you buy? Sounds like you bought a bunch of one more stuff. - No, I, no, I actually didn't. I just bought the 16 Pro Max 512. It's supposed to be, I'm gonna pick it up at the Apple Store. We're really fortunate we have one in town. It's, you know, less than 10 minutes from my house. That makes things very easy for a lot of stuff. Yeah, and I-- - Well, they know it's just for you, knowing how much you bought. I mean, no one has released that publicly from Apple, but the Google Store's gonna open next week, you know. - I hope so. That, I would spend a lot of time in there, unfortunately. But yeah, it's, I didn't even do it early. I had some, I had some odd issues with the way they, they're doing, they're doing their, not financing the payment system. I've got an, I've got an Apple account. You guys probably have one too. It's, it's not, it's not your Apple card and it's not Apple saving, it's an Apple account. And you can have money in there. What can you do with that money, you know? Well, in most of the cases, if you buy something online, you can split your payment. It says you can put this on your MasterCard, use money out of your Apple account, blah, blah, blah. You can't, I could not get that on buying a new iPhone. It didn't appear. I can do about anything, but it just didn't appear until now, when you do the new iPhone, you buy it, that gives you the opportunity to trade in and that comes right off it. And then you get your Apple card, you can use that. And then there you are. But there was no way to get that Apple account money, apply to, I got like 350 bucks in there. That's, you know, that's a little bit off. Until, and I've tried a whole bunch of different ways, until I said, I just want to pay for this thing. I don't want to do your financing. I just want to pay for this thing. - Ah, great, great, great. - Okay. And so it gets down to the thing and what that does for you though, is it doesn't take your trade in right off the top. You pay for the thing and then once the trade in shows up, it'll come off. But once I did that, I was able to use my Apple account, pay for the thing. And then next Saturday, when I go in, I'll hand them the other iPhone as a trade-in and it will come off my... - Oh, you should do that with my Apple account. - Oh, it's bizarre. I tried several other things, you know, in the store. I even, you know, put an iPad Pro in my basket, which was more expensive than the iPhone. And that one, it would let me apply the Apple account on just that one thing. So anyway, what that all comes down to is playing with all that stuff. I didn't even order the thing until like six o'clock on Friday afternoon. And I was still getting a... You can pick this up on the 21st. - Yeah, it's a lot of... - Early in the morning, it was the 20th. Then it became the 21st. If I wanted to chip to me with October 7th. - Wow. - Having the Apple story in town. - Well, I never thought of that. - Made a lot of difference. - Yeah. - I did have an interesting conversation with a friend who is relatively new to the Apple ecosystem. He was upgrading from an iPhone 12 Pro and he had, you know, obviously upgraded in a few years and the iPhone 12 was his first iPhone. So he was asking about the pre-order process. And I said, well, you know, the estimates will shift pretty quickly into... I said, even though Apple does this every year and people know it, it will shift quickly. And I don't think he fully believed me until less than an hour after five AM Pacific the shipping estimates were already into October. - Yeah. - And so it is crazy. - How Apple can still drive that desire. Of course, they also can control that to some extent by, you know, holding back stocks so that they can have the headlines of less than an hour. Apple, you know, slips the shipping estimates slip. So I think some of that might be going on considering that's when it can get his the next day in person. - Yeah. Assuming you're close enough to an Apple store to get that, you know, I'm sure they have a certain amount that they ship to the store and they know how many there are there. - Yeah. - By the way, you know, I'm not getting the cheapest ones. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I did check to see what my series, Apple Watch Series six trading would be. And it was $85. So I'm debating, eh, is it worth it to trade in for 85 bucks? It's like one fifth of the total costs of them. - It's good to have that secondary watch. Like John was saying, like when you charge me the other one. - Yeah, yeah. - You can probably wear that one at night while they all when charges. - Yeah. - The only drawback of that is that six doesn't have all the features that you might want when you're wearing that. - I was thinking, you know, somebody who I was reading was talking about how much stuff Apple does with, you know, sleep stuff. - Right, right. - Now with, I was sleep apnea and he says, that's all wonderful, but it's an 18 hour watch. - Right. - If I, you know, if I leave it on, when I go to sleep, it's dead before I wake up. And somebody else said, you know, you know, you charge it before you go to bed, blah, blah, blah. And I was thinking, you know, at the prices, you know, if you're really interested in sleep tracking, I'll just buy you another watch, you know, 'cause you can get the series nine for 250 bucks. - But the sleep apnea thing is not gonna be on that, right? - Yeah, I think the sleep apnea will be on the series nine. - Oh, really? - Yeah, I think so, check on that, but like, but even then, like I said, I don't think it depends on the motion protection, and I don't remember. - And I don't really like the sleep in the ultra. It's a fairly heavy, big watch, you know, my hand goes over on and knocked my wife out. But, you know, if you buy, if you buy the regular aluminum one, and I don't like to buy the aluminum ones because they scratch up easier, and a lot of people don't realize it's not just an aluminum case, it's regular glass, not the sapphire glass, on the more expensive ones. So, sleeping in that $250 watch, you know, aluminum regular glass, you're never gonna mess it up. So that might be something that, you know, you put that other one on at night, and let's hear the one charging work during the day. That's actually almost a reasonable way of doing things, short of them making a watch that has a battery big enough to do it. - Yeah, you know, in terms of not having features, you know, I haven't, I've only had an Apple Watch 36 for the last four years, so I don't know any better. - Yeah, I mean, if you're looking for those nighttime features that they've announced, you're not gonna get it on a six. - Yeah, and it's like John's friend with the iPhone 12. It's like, well, it's been fine for, you know, four years or whatever, and I haven't missed anything else. I've never had it. - Yep. - And once you get it, you'll start missing it, but yeah, I hear you. So that was pretty much it, right? A bunch of Apple iPhones, a bunch of Apple watches. - I mean, I told Todd before. - Before AirPods, or AirPods Amateur 4. - Yeah, I told Todd before we started, I really liked the upgrade to the Apple Watch that lets the second hand move when you're not looking at it. Because, you know, good to know it's moving, but as soon as I go to look at it, it's gonna move anyway. So that's an, I agree that's a logical upgrade, but it's kind of funny to headline that. It shows how little they really did with series 10 other than just making a little thinner, a little bigger. The other thing that is just kind of crazy, and I think others picked up on it in our show notes is the AirPods Max, which Apple has been trying to forget they have, just like the iPad Mini, gets the laughable upgrade of just a new connector, and absolutely nothing else different on it. I created who I was talking to recently. - Colors, colors, new colors. - Yeah, yeah, I remember this last week, I was talking to someone who I thought was fairly technical, and I mentioned AirPods Max, and they went, wait a minute, what? And I said, you know, AirPods Max, it's the over the ear, you know, cans, blah, blah, blah. And they said, Apple has that? I thought, oh, wow, they really are trying to ignore this thing. If their marketing has gotten so bad that people don't even know it exists anymore. - Well, it's like the Vision Pro, right? Do you ever hear anything about the Vision Pro anymore? - Pro. (laughing) - Not really. Yeah, well, they had a new connector in a few years, don't worry. - They had the USB-C port, which is pretty good, but they didn't add the audio jack, so you can't plug into, like, real audio files want to plug in analog with a cable. Again, good audio. - Thor for the first time. - On the Max, I wondered if that was, I looked it up today, you actually can buy a cable that will put the audio with a wire into it. It is the, yeah, oddly enough, it is a lightning to three and a half inch. - Yeah, three and a half inch. You can do it with that. - So you can listen to audio as long as you don't have an iPhone. - Okay. - There's no audio jack on the iPhone anymore. - Oh, you can get a USB-C. - Yeah, you can get a 3.5 bill audio jack. - I don't know if, yeah, I don't know what the quality is. - How big is your dongle? - Yeah, you can't do it with a USB-C, they're lightning. - I don't know how to say that out of friendly podcast, Stephen, how big is your dongle? - I have a photo somewhere of an ancient, it wasn't even a smartphone, it was a reasonably intelligent phone from the 1990s, you know, like it could do like, not quite internet browsing with something approximately. Anyway, it had data, you know, it had like 9.6 bought, cable data. And I have a picture of it, it had like a property connector that went to something else, that went to an RS-232, DB9, which plugged into a whatever that had passed from modem back then. And which plugged into the wall, 'cause, you know, we didn't have some data. - R232 to RJ4. - Or something, and it was, I took a picture of it 'cause there was like a Rube Goldberg drawing, except in real life. And actually-- - The pinouts are right, they're not crossed. - Yeah, and this is not something that I just did for fun, this is what I actually carried with me when I went on like business travel to, you know, stay in touch and update stuff, anyway. Okay, so the AirPods Pro 4, AirPods amateur 4, I might actually buy one because it, well, first my AirPods Pro first gen is crackling, even after I cleaned it and stuff, it's still got a little bit of noise. And of course, it's way out of warranty. And don't know if I need a new AirPods Pro. So I might get the cheaper one, I think if you feel a little bit more, you get like, I'm just still under 200. You get the wireless charging case, and the case is the speakers, if you lose it, it goes, beep, beep, beep. So, well, by the way, sweat and you're muted. I don't know if this is on purpose or not, but... - Swends in as anti-social base. - Yeah, that was, that was about it. Okay, so more interesting though, is the stuff that we were hoping they were announcing they didn't, and we didn't really think they would. - You did notice I posted the AirPods Max upgrade kit in the show notes. - Yes, I did see that. (laughing) That is ridiculous. What does it cost, $29.99? Is that for real? - It's like, it's like $9.99. No, it is for real, but I mean, it's a USB-C to lightning. - Yeah, we didn't get anywhere. - Yeah. (laughing) Well, maybe I'm surprised at this one. - I'm surprised at this one. - Are you gonna set them your own Amazon store just to sell that? So, that'd be good. (laughing) - Okay, so Mark Grumman in Bloomberg has a pretty nice article, but not just was was announced, but what he's expecting to be announced in October, which is a lot of stuff I'm kind of interested in. He's got a MacBook Pro with an M4 and with a couple of different screen sizes, a new iMac with an M4, Mac Mini with an M4 and M4 Pro. I'm not sure the difference is. And see Mac Mini, is there anything else? I don't see anything but an iPad Mini in his other-- - Down below, I put it down at the bottom. - Oh, thank you. - Maybe in a different article, but yeah, he was thinking about an iPad Mini. - So, those are all the things I'm kind of interested in. - Yeah, I'm sensitive to that 'cause that's what my wife's waiting for. - What's that? - That's what my wife's waiting for is a new Mini. - Oh, yeah, yeah. So, those are the things maybe in October we're gonna hear about. I'm iPad Mini definitely is a buy for me, even though I have iPad Mini 6, but that came on 2021, so it's, you know, it's-- - What's the only thing working for it? - It's an M4 chip, it'd be pretty nice, huh? - Oh, golly. - Yeah, I'd be happy to see one of them. - But can it drive two external monitors? That's what you're looking at. - iPad Mini 6 has a USB-C port, so that's fine. But, and it's playing fast, it's not slow or anything, but I've been playing with, as you know, Steve, he saw my Insta360 X4, I've been playing the editing video on the iPads. It turns out, by the way, the Insta360 Studio app has a feature that's only available on the mobile version, not on the desktop, the AI editing. So you have to use an iPad to do the AI editing. - That's crazy. - Or, you know, you can do an iPhone too, but some mobile device. - So what do you think about that Huawei Mate XT trifle? - I don't know, did you post that photo? - Did you buy one? - No, I don't think it's available yet in the US, probably due to trading the tariffs and conditions that are going on, but it looks pretty impressive hardware. I mean, I think it folds three ways. So the first fold will get you, I think like, around 7.9, and then the next fold will give you close to 11 inches, around 10.9. But it looks pretty decent, I mean, you can put that in your pocket. - I do. - You can have a tablet. Yeah, but it's probably like, an inch or two inches thick, yeah. - I don't think it's that big, but I think it's going to be, you know, the aspect ratio is going to be kind of strange, you know, for, you know, you can do a white screen movie, you know, right in front of you. - What's funny, you know, go ahead. - No, I will change. I have another accessory that I did by this week that the Huawei mentioned made me think of, but go ahead and then we'll jump to that. - Yeah, I was going to say that I know, you know, a couple of our friends, including Swann, bought the, bought the, what was the surface phone that had to fold, whatever that was called? - Oh, it's a duo. - A duo? - And you bought this-- - I've had two of those, yeah. - Yeah, and you bought the Google Pixel fold. And I think our buddy, Jack Cook, may have bought the Surface Duo also. So I know a couple of people that, you know, bought them or some other friend of ours, but nobody really speaks glowingly about it. Whether it's a-- - Oh my God, it's life-changing about that. How about that? (laughing) You know, when I got the Pixel Fold, I did grab the duo and I had them open at the same time playing with them. And I'm, you know, I'm not upset at what Microsoft did. I think they had a darn good product there and I think they had a darn good idea. 'Cause it's, you know, what I've said before about the Pixel Fold is if the outside is so good, I use it like a phone. And I forget that they're the inside, you know? - Right. - And if, whereas the Duo, you can't do it one. You can't do anything with it unless you open it up. - Yeah. - 'Cause there's no outside screen. But once you open it up, it's like having two phones next to each other and you kind of use them independently. You can span across, but nine times out of 10, you're doing two apps at the same time. And I'm not sure there's not a good, you know, use case for that. - Yeah. If I were still working and, you know, working globally, especially during the pandemic, I would definitely consider a folding device just to save space and have a larger screen. What I was doing back then was I had a kind of a shoulder bag I carried everywhere with iPad Mini and a small Bluetooth keyboard. And that got, oh, and a, what is called that though? What's the portable Wi-Fi them? - Wi-Fi. - Wi-Fi out of Wi-Fi, yeah. I have Verizon Wi-Fi and those three things kept me running, you know, wherever I was. But today as a retiree, it's like, eh, you know, it'd be fun to have. I'm not sure I want to spend the money on that. But I would definitely consider folding iPad Mini. You know, that's like a regular iPad Mini size unfolded and then he, or fold it becomes like a near full size iPad or something that he uses. - The other half has a keyboard too, or? - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - Do you want an outside screen on it? - Doesn't matter. The only-- - That's kind of a big question. You don't have, you wouldn't have one on the Mini if you just fold it in the half. It'd just be smaller and it'd be easier to carry. But you'd have to open it up every time you wanted to use it. - And they'll be fine. I mean, I open it up like-- - Yeah. - Yeah, so. - I have two outside screens and then-- - Only device I ever had in the second screen was a Motorola Windows CE device that some of us had. I forget what it was called. And it had a little tiny LCD display on the outside. You know, for like-- - Yeah, the MPX. - Well, it was the MPX's. - Yeah. - Yeah, and that was kind of cool. - And Motorola Razors are, you know, the newer ones are like that. - Yeah, they do that, yeah. - And they do Samsung folds too, right? - What I was gonna say, the only place I see folding phones a lot are in Korean dramas. Everybody in a Korean drama has a Samsung folding phone with some sort of-- - Product placement. - Product placement, yeah. - Oh, if you ever watched Korean dramas, it's all product placement. You would not believe how many times these characters eat at a subway. (both laughing) - So when we were talking last time, we talked, we mentioned a few things that Satecki has. - Yeah. - And my thing this week was finding that Satecki actually has a magnetic wallet that's only available on the Apple Store. It's not available on some Apple's website. - Wow. - And this is Apple's actual wallet, and this is theirs. So it really doesn't get that much bigger, except it does hold another card, so it can hold four cards instead of just the three, and it's a stand. So it will hold with shape, and you can actually use it as a stand as such. So I picked that up this week for $39.95, and been pretty happy with that. - I remember they have a new one that's got fine money. - Fine money, yeah. - This was the, does not put that new one that has fine miles of passport case, so it's much bigger. - That's right, that's right, that's right, yeah. - Yeah, that's right, but I thought I'd point that out because we talked about how we liked Satecki, and I had not realized that they had inked one of those deals where they don't even admit a product exists because they're selling it exclusively through Apple. So if you're looking, if you don't want to go with a fine woven Apple wallet, because you've heard the stories of fine woven, yeah, you may want to look into this, it's, I think, vegan leather, I don't think it's actual leather, or it might just, yeah, it's vegan leather, but it's pretty nice. I'm happy with the, it's not big. That was what I was worried about. All of these that I see that other people that Apple make, it tends to be much thicker and bulkier. This one does not. - Which one is that, Steve? - I just have a, it's a regular leather one. - Yeah. - I think it's from one of the bigger manufacturers, I can't remember what time it was. - And we're real cows? - Well, the Apple leather one, just like for we leather, yeah. - Just like when Apple is making leather cases, Apple's leather doesn't last more than two or three years of daily years. It just starts to play golf and self-destructive. - Well, you know, that's the difference between vegan cows and, you know, meat cows. - Yeah, yeah. The vegan cows are much more durable. (both laughing) - And you know, fine woven is a rest in peace, I think it's very much gone. - Well, I think we're getting there. - No, it's not. - We have to figure it out. - Off the side. - You can still buy the wallets. - At Apple? - Yeah. - Okay. - So they're figuring it out, but yeah, it's gonna be gone for good. - Yeah, the cases are gone. - That reminds me, you know, yesterday, for the first time in ages, I actually walked into my local Apple store, sorry to make you jealous. Which is like, like, swan only 10 minutes from me. But I walked into the local Apple store, and I saw a vision profile for the first time. But more, this is one of those moments where, you know, I don't want to be that guy. And I saw this family group, they look like a family group, like a mom, dad, and a kid or two. And they're all looking at buying that Apple watch. And I'm thinking, ah, what should I say? I didn't say anything. But everyone wants to, you know, next to the brand new models, but I didn't say anything. - Well, you know, it's, I don't think there's anything wrong, 'cause I think Steve just posted that the new stuff, the sleep apnea is coming to the nine. So right now you can get a series nine for a hundred hours less than the new one. You know, I'm sure it's not coming to the SE, 'cause I don't think it's coming to the SE 10 or the current one. - No. - But still, if you've got kids buying an SE forum and, you know, setting it up with your phones, you know, I think if it gets very clever that you can, you know, buy your kid a neat little thing and they have no idea that you're tracking them everywhere they go. But, but, so, but, you know, that's almost a reasonable thing to get for kids these days. 'Cause I mean, a watch is a watch, you know, maybe you put a watch face on there so they learn how to tell time with a watch rather than, you know, numbers. - There might be, if you trade in an Apple watch, I think I'm gonna keep mine like you guys suggest. - You have to find the original band? 'Cause I don't know. - No, no. They do not want the band. - The bands stay the same. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, the same bands, but they don't want the band back when you trade it in either. - Oh, okay. Because I can't find mine anyway. I think I'll keep it though. I think that's a good idea. - As a matter of fact, on the trade and stuff, it says, "Take the bands off, send 'em to it. "Don't send 'em to us. "We don't want 'em." - Ah. - So. - Extra waste. - All righty. Well, that's, that's about all I got, except I'm really looking out. Now I'm looking more forward to the October event than the September event. 'Cause it's got stuff, potentially I might spend money on, which is the bad thing. (laughs) - Did you see a price on the, on the Huawei, on the trifold? Have you seen that price? - No, I haven't seen one yet. - I've seen one that's at $2,700. - Oh my God. - Oh my God. (laughs) - Oh my goodness. - They will be curious up to the next. (laughs) - That's like two Surface Pro 11s. - Yes it is. (laughs) - If you buy an iPad and a iPhone. - Yeah. - Good. - Well, that's definitely not in my future. - Do you wanna start? - You wanna start up a, you know, a petition to get Microsoft to make their keyboards again? They're folding ones for... - I had so much problems with Microsoft keyboards. I'll never buy it again. - Remember those? - Oh yeah. - I was gonna, I was gonna find something for you guys. Oh, I found it. I found two things. I thought before we... I'll end the podcast. - Then I'll show you guys. Thing number one, well I'll use John probably enormously. I found my, oh, can you see me? Intro to SaaS book. - Ah, okay. - Yeah. This is dated. What is it dated? Does it have a date? Might be so old, there's no date. Oh, 1978, first printing John. First edition. (laughs) But more importantly, can you see that there's like a gummy label on it? - Yeah, yeah. - It's not handwritten. 1978, or whenever the heck this was, I, in my inquisitiveness as a young person, found that the mainframe could print gum labels for you. And so not just, you know, fanfolds or, yeah, it was all fanfolds, even the white, you know, 11 fanfolds back then. So I printed a whole bunch of my office, my grad student office information on it with my name. So if I ever lost it, hopefully somebody would return it. And so I was, everybody got kind of jealous and I had to show them how to do it, but that was fine. - I wouldn't have helped me. I actually am pretty sure that the two books I lost in grad school, people just never returned to me. One of them was a biocytic text that was $300 because $100 cost, you know, seven pounds or weigh seven pounds or something like that. The other, ironically, was my copy of Machiavelli's The Prince, which I'm pretty sure means that someone read it and didn't want me to have the information back. And so they just kept it themselves. - So anyway, the reason I got is I went to, I went to my storage unit yesterday. My daughter actually wanted to put something in. I said, you know, I'm trying to get everything out of here. But anyway, she wanted to put one of her suitcases in there. So I said, yeah, I finally can use my storage unit and cause she didn't want it at her place. And so I grabbed these two books real quickly because we're doing other things. I said, well, I'm going to like pick a photo of them and then toss them because I don't think anybody needs them. And this is the other book I found, which I'm pretty sure nobody needs to notice the version for it for the IBM 360. For people don't know that IBM 360 was a venerable. - Those were getting upgrades. - Yeah. - Both here with this, 1971. - This continued 1978. So this continued 1978, which means probably only 10% are still in production somewhere. - So I don't think anybody's needs is Fortran for IBM 360 mainframe specific. So I guess these who are going to go, I was looking at my notes in them and I'm just kind of amazed how neatly I used to write in all of these and how straight my yellow highlighter pen markings were. So very proud of myself. Okay. So that brings our Moby's podcast 528 to an N. Thank you everybody as usual. And if I can go find the record button, we'll just say goodbye. We'll talk to you next time.
