(upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Hey everybody, how you doing? Well, that's good. Welcome to PHLY Flyers. My name is Bill Matts. I'm your director of fun and games for the afternoon, joining me virtually today on this final Tuesday reviews day of the off season. It is not only Philadelphia's number one hockey beat writer, Charlie O'Connor, but also broad street hockey zone, Kelly Henkel. And that's where we have to start with today's programming. The question on everybody's mind, Henkel. - Yeah. - Harold's am. - Incredible. (laughs) - Quite possibly one of the best two runs, like back-to-back shows that I've like ever experienced. So good. Really good shows. Got to hang out with a bunch of cool people. I'm very excited to talk about Goon. - I know you are. Yesterday, I was like, you know what? We're just doing it. We're just going to talk about Goon. It is the last Tuesday reviews day of the off season. - Welcome to hot ice, everyone. - Yeah. I just didn't have that much, honestly. I was like, you know, you know what will fill half an hour? Goon. But no, it was fun. We had fun watching it in Iowa. We'll be sure to get into that later in the show. But we have to discuss a very, very serious issue first. - Oh. - Charlie, why do you hate Maffey Miskov? - Oh, many people are asking. - Oh. - It's a hot topic on the internet. - Why don't you believe in Maffey Miskov? Are you some, do you hate Russians? All Russians? - Why are you throwing cold water, Charles? - Yeah. Just throwing cold water on all of us. - I don't. It's very obvious that I think extremely highly of Maffey Miskov. I do. And I think that most likely he is going to be a really, really good NHL player. I just am my general, and I've said this on the show before. If there's one connecting thread for basically everything I tweet and say, it is be less certain. And I think that is my overarching philosophy on hockey. Be less certain. When people are certain that things are going to be bad, I tend to push back and say, they might be good. They might not be as terrible as you think. When people are certain things are going to be good, I tend to say, maybe there is a chance that this isn't going to play out exactly the way you're dreaming. It's going to play out. I think based on Maffey Miskov's track record in the KHL, and the fact that he is doing things at an age in the KHL that basically no one else has really done. Now, again, this is where you get into the doubles advocate. The KHL is not as good as it used to be. So it, you know, where it was six, seven years ago is not where it is today. So that is something you have to keep in mind. But based on the records that he has put up in the KHL thus far as a teenager, based on what I know about his talent level, based upon the conversation of how the people I trust, I am fairly confident that Maffey Miskov is going to be a really, really good NHL player. But I'm not willing to say with certainty that he's going to be a star, because it's really, really hard to become a star in the NHL level. And while that's obviously what we're rooting for, I'm not ready to say that he's going to be a star. But to be clear, I wouldn't be ready to say that about anyone. I don't think I'm ready to say that about Macklin Celebrate. And I think Macklin Celebrate, first overall pick. I'm not ready to say he's going to be a superstar. Now, I'm very easily going to say he's going to be an above average NHL player. But it's really hard to be a superstar. And while those two guys right now, Celebrate and Miskov probably have the best chances of being superstars out of all the prospects in hockey right now, I could see worlds where both of them end up just being good players. And I'm not ready to just guarantee that Maffey Miskov is going to be a superstar. Some people are. And that's fine. If you're a fan of the Flyers and you want to guarantee, you want to say that Maffey Miskov is definitely going to be a star. And I know because that's the only way I envision it playing out. That's fair. That's the fun of being a fan. I'm covering the team. And I've seen enough players who I thought were going to be really good. End up just being okay to save with a hundred percent surgery. The Maffey Miskov is going to be a star. Let me ask you a question. So, okay. If he's not Sidney Crosby, Connor McDavid, Nathan McKinnon. If he's like the tear down from that. Like, do we imagine people are going to be pissy about that? Or do we think we're okay with like. Trying to think who I would put in that tier. My brain is blank. Travis Connecting. I'm just kidding. That was a joke. Um, you know, like lay on dry cycle. Like if he's, you know, just one tick down from superstar. Like, that's, that's still good. Well, Kelly, here's, here's my answer to that. That is the level in my opinion. The Claude Drew is that. And people yelled at him and said he wasn't a star. Well, Charlie, you make a good point. What I think for a long time. Yeah. That level means you need another one of him. Like that's what that means. Like a light version of him. Like the way you have McDavid and then dry cycle dry cycles, probably amazing without McDavid, but yeah, there's no way. He's a 14 million dollar player without McDavid. You know, like. The way it's like McDavid light is your number two. If he's that step down, Mitch, Kav pronounce pal if Mitch Kav is that step down. Then you need another Mitch Kav because you don't you like. That's what I would go that far. Wouldn't go that far. Does Nathan McKinnon have a step down? Who's the step down and. And like who's. Brandon. Scott. And they have. Land is caught. They have his bed for 10 years. I mean, he is still dead. Three defense. Yeah. He's coming back. Charlie. Land is coming back. He said. I really hope. I really like a girl. Land is what comes back. I like him a lot as player. I want him to return from the century. Yeah. But McCar is probably like me. Yeah, I guess. You know, the other Batman to McKinnon's Batman. But honestly, Nathan McKinnon, he's he's honestly a perfect example. And I'm going to pull up the numbers here because Nathan McKinnon. I think we all agree is one of the top five. Best players in the NHL right now. If not me. If not top three. Okay. Nathan McKinnon is all right. We all agree. Nathan McKinnon is awesome. It took Nathan McKinnon, who was a first overall pick. Okay. Great player. One of the best skaters in Aki. It took Nathan McKinnon until his fifth season before he hit superstar levels. Yeah. With Mitch cough, if it takes Mitch cough five seasons to hit superstar levels. Because people are certain that Mitch cough is going to be a star. If it takes five seasons to become that level, those four seasons are going to be held. Because people are going to be like, he's a boss. He didn't live up to my expectations. That's all I'm saying. It's just like, it's not the end of the world. If you don't build yourself up to think that he's like, definitely going to be a superstar. And Mitch cough, and McKinnon eventually got there, but it took him some time. It might take Mitch cough some time to get to where he's also really going to go. I don't think we should go in being like, well, he's definitely a star. He's going to be a star right from the jump. I hope so. That'd be awesome. But if it took Nathan McKinnon five years, there's a chance it might take Mave Mitch cough a couple to say. Absolutely. And this is where I jumped in. If you don't understand where all this is coming from, it's a Twitter argument. Charlie was in yesterday that I was having a lot of fun reading simply because Charlie, having been your host for the better part of a decade as I turn off my. There we go. Do not disturb. Having been your host for the better part of a decade. You do have to learn. Charlie is not going to just give you. And I think it's great. I think it's a great way to be an analyst, especially for what Charlie does. He's not going to sit here and be. Someone we hate a talking head who just spouts off hot takes. Like that's not what you're going to get out of Charlie. And if it was something tells me Broad Street hockey and then now PHL Y. Fliers would not exist and certainly not to the level of success it did. Because every clip that one of us got wrong. It would be like, well, they got it wrong. And that's really what it comes down to. Is people, even though they say they hate skit bailist, they hate Steven. Oh, no, they destroyed sports media. There's a reason those guys are millionaires and their shows have been on forever. Like people actually want to, even though they say they hate it. And like that's not the kind of show I'm interested in doing. Because it's disingenuous and I've tried it and it sucks. I don't like it. So I do this kind of show instead. But I think I learned a lot of that from doing the show with Charlie where it's. You don't just have to say. X, Y and Z and then be like, I was right about Z. Everybody tell me, look how right I was. At the end of the day, being right and wrong doesn't freak in matter. And you can tell that because Steven a Smith. And skit bailist are millionaires. And they're wrong usually, but people just love the clips. They love something they can dunk on. And if you don't give them something that they can bookmark and come back to it. Say, see what you were wrong about. It's like, no, what we're trying to do is, yes, absolutely entertaining. And that's why I say I do the singing and dancing. And Charlie does the facts. Like what we're trying to do here is give you a show where you can just form an opinion based on the information we give you. I have lots of opinions. They change regularly because oftentimes I forget what they are. Like, yeah, I don't remember what I thought last September. No idea, quite honestly. So what I'm telling you today is what I feel today and what I tell you tomorrow is what I feel tomorrow. But that's just simply not the type of show we're going to do. And it's definitely not what Chuck's going to give you because he is an analyst. He is analyzing whatever information he has reality. I test the numbers. What experience he's analyzing. But I do think, though, like, I think you can. I think one can watch my Veyevichkov play in the KHL and look at his numbers and read the scouting reports and come to a conclusion that you are 100% convinced that he's going to be a superstar. I think that I think that's fair, especially if you're a fan and like, yeah, like be convinced that that's great. I honestly, I love the enthusiasm. And it's not like I think that the people I was talking about this on Twitter with last night in this morning are being disingenuous. Like, I don't think they are. They are taking a hot take stance for the sake of taking a hot take stance. I think they honestly believe that there are that barring injury or some type of act of God, you know, something terrible happens to Mitch golf or whatever. We certainly hope that doesn't happen. That there's no way Matt Veyevichkov is not going to be a superstar. And I love that enthusiasm. It's just not the way I look at things. Like it's not, it's not the way I'm ever going to analyze hockey because to me, hockey is just so random. And there's so much variance involved that I don't have the confidence to be a 100% sure anything. I just don't. And, and I, I get that some people don't have those same qualms and that's fair. But like I said, this is somebody this morning. It's just like, if you're, if you're trying to get me to say that I think with a 100% serving, my man's job is going to be a superstar. Like, I'm not going to say it because I don't believe it. And that doesn't mean that I don't think he's going to be really good. That doesn't mean that I don't think that he has the ability to be a superstar and that that might ultimately be how it plays out. He easily has the best chance of the organization to be a superstar. He probably has one of the best prospect in hockey right now to be a superstar. Maybe celebrates like the only one who might have a higher likelihood. But I don't think, but I don't think it is 100% certain because there's a lot of things that could go wrong. I've talked to some scouts that aren't as high on Mitch Koff in the game at the NHL level because they worry about his size. They worry about whether it's going to translate. Like it's not like it's a universal consensus that this guy's going to hit the NHL and dominate right off that or by year two he's going to be one of the best players in hockey. I really hope that's what happens. I am rooting for it, not because of a fandom, but because it's a lot of fun to cover a really good player. I did it for a long time ago. I was going to say, how would you know? I wanted to do that again. I want to cover a really, really good player who is battling for MVPs on a yearly basis. It's a great storyline and it makes hockey a lot of fun to watch. So I want that to happen. It's just that I'm not ready to say it's definitely going to happen. I want to wait and see a little bit. So I was going to say, I've done the, I've done the DNVR pregame a bunch of times and it looks like they're having a lot of fun. They look like they have a blast. It looks like every day is a great, when they lose, they're like, oh my God. What happened? What happens? The fliers lose. It's like, yeah. Well, I don't know if you saw this. This was like about, I think two weeks ago, it was when we were doing our top 20 prospects list and one of the DNVR guys added me and basically said, like, man, we're doing our top 20 prospect list. That makes me want to fight. Like that is literally, that's the little Boston kid. You hate with like the 14 years old, eight parades. Like that makes me want to hit whoever that was. They're colleagues and I'm not actually going to hit them. But like, I just want you to, I just watch goon. I'm a little fired up. Working for me. Like, I just want you to do it. I just want you to do it. I just want you to do it. Just watch goon. I'm a little fired up. Working from home today. Try quite too much coffee. Yeah, it's, but no, I, Charlie, that last monologue you just had though, it is rife with opportunity for like Dr. evil gritty. To either to either have you saying 100%. Just to let you know, I would expect that quite honestly. Let's yeah, let's do the mail bag question before we get to the reads and then we can get into goon because it was just an interesting question. And I think I know the answers to it, but it came from a listener Gary litka says quick question for Bill and Charlie. I don't know the answer to this. I would assume there's probably something in the CBA to govern it. I don't want to be, I don't want to just be guessing and saying, well, this is, this is like what it is. My assumption. And this is just a guess. Usually KHL players have multiple agents. Yeah, they have an agent for their European side and then they have an agent for their North American side. My guess, and this is just a guess because this is the first time I've really seen this question is that. Colossoff would let his KHL agent negotiate the contract and get the commission. He would not have his North American agent do it because I do suspect, but yeah, the NHL would frown upon an agent, basically collecting functionally two commissions, although I guess the flyers wouldn't pay in the contract if he doesn't show up. But still, I do think the NHL would probably frown upon that so my guess is that if if Colossoff were to sign a second contract while the flyers contract is technically active, I would guess he would do that through his Russian agent. If he does this if he just blows off the flyers contract completely and signs a new one because he's decided he hasn't liked the other one that he signed with his pen. Right. Can he play in the NHL again? Like, like totally screwed. I mean, it just comes down with the NHL. Another, I guess. Well, I mean, the obvious one is Phonota, Phonota did sign a contract and then ultimately, when that contract was up, they terminated what was left of the deal and then he came over and fulfilled the other contract obviously the Phonota situation was a little bit different. I think there was, what's that? Well, again, yes. Yeah. I think the fly. The NHL contract was still in effect. It was told. And then Phonota went and signed a KHL contract. Now, yeah, you can make the case that there was coercion there and probably the NHL took that into account, but purely going back to what happened, Phonota signed a KHL contract. Well, his NHL contract was still in effect. And now he's in the NHL. So really, it just comes down to what the NHL wants to do. In theory, yes, I guess the NHL could refuse to accept a new contract from Colossoff because they feel like he did them wrong. But my guess is that like, if the flyers are okay with it in the NHL will just be like, okay, it's fine. Don't worry. It probably depends on how good he is. I don't think they're going to kick could kick Colos out of the NHL forever if he sides a contract with KHL. It's just going to be a controversy like it wasn't. Charlie, I think the flyers have another agent problem on their hands. Oh boy. This player's agent LLC that represents that represents Colossoff and it is, it is a Russian agency, mostly KHL and foreign players. There's a couple of guys in the AHL right now that they're still represented, at least according to elite prospects. But wait, Allison. This is the player, player agent LLC players agent LLC. That's somehow like jankier than what our LLC was called. I sport LLC. I sport enterprise is that. Yeah. He read the players agent LLC represents Wade Allison. I think we've, I think we've figured out the problem here. The flyers have yet another agent enemy. And it's, it's because. Why would Daniel Breyer do this is the question. Of course, Wade Allison is over. He is playing overseas now. So perhaps he signed with him following his departure of North America. That's right. And Colossoff's new. Yeah. And Colossoff's new agent is Dan Milstein. He's his agent in the States. That was the whole thing. He changed agents. I believe he used to have JP Barry and then he switched to Dan Milstein, who represents a lot of Russians. I don't know if a top may have who Colossoff's KHL Russian based agent was, but I know we have that. So on elite prospects, it still just has his KHL agency, but not as actual agent listed. So yeah, it's that I assumed my answer to the DM was, I'm going to ask Charlie and I'll look this up at some point. But my guess is, there's usually foreign players. There's an area North American agent. And when they're back overseas, but when they're back home, that's a totally different thing. So it wouldn't be like, Oh, well, this guy's getting decertified by the NHL like, I don't know, man, I'm going to guess players agent not exactly the yeah. So Dan Milstein has a lot of clients in the NHL and the KHL for that matter. I imagine that he would not be putting his certification at risk to get a Lexi Colossoff, a relatively minor player in the grand scheme of the world. I mean, a new contract in the KHL. I don't think he would put his livelihood at risk for a Lexi Colossoff. The fliers second best prospect Charlie the best goalie prospect this organization has ever seen are you kidding me. Lexi Colossoff. He's a good, perfectly interesting goalie prospect. I would love to see him come over. I really want to see what he is. That said, he's not a blue chip prospect in any sense of the word. And he's a whiny baby so he's not going to go that far. I don't know why he's not coming over. He might just be homesick and if he's homesick, sure, or maybe the fliers tick them off in some way like they do with go take who does. Kelly is, is that where you are with Colossoff now like ask grew him like is that what you're thinking. I mean like, I don't know how else to be like this just seems to be the state of things like, he doesn't want to be here. What do you want me to do about it. You want to fight. If somebody doesn't like you, they don't like you. You can't make them like you. Like, all right. It's fair. If good luck, but like have fun in the KHL. I'm sure it'll be awesome. It'll be just as good as playing in the NHL just as good. And you definitely didn't do yourself a disservice by deciding to go this route. So, you know, if he, if he were to say if your GM, Kelly Hinkle, you're, you're running the fliers. Finally. Yes. Finally. Yeah. He says to you. I just need another year at home. If you loan me back, I will be there for the third and final year of my ELC. And then everything will be cool. Would you accept that. Yeah, if I believed him. Hard to say, though, like, I guess, I mean, I'm assuming that Danny Breyer and Keith Jones and whoever else has had several conversations with this kid like, I guess it depends on what, yeah, what the vibe is like if you believe he's going to come back. Then all right. Like, yeah, whatever. It doesn't matter. Like, who cares if the fannoms don't have a goaltender. Who cares. Like. But if you're thinking to yourself like, he's been miserable the whole time he's here. He's always complaining. He's not making any friends. Nobody likes him. Like, if there, if there's like a whole host of things going on. And you're thinking to yourself, if we let him go, he's probably not going to come. Then maybe you, you take a hard line with him, but like, at some point you do have to take a hard line. Like, we call them kids, but this is an adult. He knew what he was doing. He understood that he was signing a contract to come all the way over to North America to play in an organization that had at the time, not one but two but three goalies in front of him. And so he kind of knew what he was signing up for. And then he decided he didn't like that anymore. So like. All right. And that's I will grant a little bit of difference while yeah they're young. And like we look at them now at the age we are and go, Oh my God, 22, but 22 is the age you graduate college. Like I don't look at the 22 year old the same way I look at an 18 year old. Like, yeah, that could be cut for me. No, but like, Oh, geez, I didn't even think about it. Like, you don't, that's, that's a freaking adult. Like at 22 you're expected to go out there and be somebody in the world now maybe he's just like, I don't really want to go. And that's fine. Like if that's your stance, but you kind of did sign a contract, dude. You know, you said you were going to do it. And I don't, I, I really want to see what this kid can be because I don't love what they have a net. And it seems like right now of the other two, like of the three guys who would be in North America this year, he might be the best. I was trying to see him. Now, like maybe for Dothavs Shekmonik, who the hell knows like that's a possibility. It's happened. It's happened in this organization before. I hope he's like him in every way. Well, maybe, maybe Erickson is the guy from the first half. Yeah, and maybe Erickson is that 930 goaltender we saw from November to January. Like, it couldn't be that good. Neither do I, but Charlie, we're talking about possibilities here. You just went on a whole rant. And it's non zero that he's awesome. Not a contrarian, Charles. It's slightly above us. Only slightly above zero that he's a nine 30, but I guess it is non zero. The chance of him being honor hella Buck are really, really low. But I guess they exist. Probably he's a league average goaltender because all goalies are basically 906. Like that's, that's actually good. Now I know we have to recalibrate all goalies. Are we going to be that league average? All goalies are 901 now. You know, like, that's what goal tending is. Maybe he's just that. But it's possible. But I want to see Colesov because maybe he's better than those guys. But if he doesn't want to come, what the hell can you do? What are you going to do? And we'll get into this if and when he doesn't show up, it seems like he's not going to show up. We'll be getting closer and closer to that. It was so funny. It would be here tomorrow, right? Yeah, tomorrow is on an airplane right now. The way it works is that Wednesday is the you show up and you do like the early off ice things. Thursday is the first day on the ice Friday and Saturday are the rookie games. I guess in theory, too, he could just skip rookie camp and show up for Maine. I guess that's possible. 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I mean, well, I'm sure we'll get to our favorite things but they're part of my favorite scene because they're hilarious. They are. They are who I pictured the sedines to be. I think the sedines are like classy good family dudes. But I just picture them being the two Russian brothers in goon like that is just what I picture I don't know why. I guess they're just fine. Brothers. Yeah, but that like I hope that that's who they are. Um, last week or the week whatever the last time I saw you don't remember what it was. I was saying that like in my mind what I want this show to be as hot ice. Because we're not allowed to say bad words anymore so it's it's rough but I wanted to be hot ice. I want to no offense to Bruno who I love I want to replace her with the trailer park boys. I just want to show to be that ridiculous. I want there to be callers that troll you specifically every single episode. Oh, that I need. That's one of the first things I wanted to say was the. What's his name? Pat from something from Worcester. Yeah. I really hope we have one troll caller on post games this year. Somebody does that every single show that will get my feet. Well, don't give the sick. I was any idea. My money is on HC in the chat. He seems like the one. He seems like the one to do. Oh, is this is that's the guy who constantly types out on the hole in caps every time one of us says on the wall. Yeah. Yeah. To be fair. To be fair. Yeah. This movie is. I forgot how funny this movie was this movie is one of those movies that like you start watching it. And by the end of it, your stomach hurts because you've laughed so hard. I guess the first question I have to ask about the movie is Charlie, do you believe that Matt Vey Mitchkov can be as good as Xavier LaFlam. Oh, tough question. Oh, yeah. He better be better than the flam. He better be better than that. Come on. I hope he has a little bit more mental toughness than LaFlam. I would hope he would have more mental toughness, but I'm just saying some of those dangles. They're pretty sick. It wasn't that much. They need to go second overall pick a town. That's true. I mean, Mitchkov should have been the second overall pick, but got a bunch of xenophobes running the league. Can you imagine if there was a guy who had moves like that in the AHL? And it's like, yeah, he's down there. He's kind of doing coke banging strippers. Like, what can you do? Maybe he'll figure it out. That would be. And like everyone knew that would be the funniest thing in the damn world. Alexander. I remember when this movie came out and then when I was following it. And it's completely and totally unfair to this guy because I've never heard anything about him being a terrible dude and having a drug problem and just doing whatever the hell he wanted. But like the guy I always thought of him being was Jonathan Drew, because it's like, you know, like high pick, you know, was kind of bouncing back and forth because he just couldn't totally figure it out. I always acquainted in my head to Jonathan Drew and and I swear that is not a shot at Jonathan Drew and his character. That is just like he's the guy in my head I always had as the flam. And you remember, if you remember the I dream of Drew in highlights, like, yeah. He had some freakin dangles man. No, but I guess the first thing that really stuck out to me about this movie is that Steve Stiffler is somehow a completely believable enforcer, like capable of beating up like George LaRock, which he does in the movie. You know, like that, that dude has had a hell of a career. I got, I got to give it to Sean William Scott. He's got more range than you think. He was, he's very good in this movie like he's also like he, he's a very believable enforcer because, first of all, I feel like those guys don't often look like George LaRock. Like, look at Nick Deloria, like he doesn't really look physically like a guy that could just, you know, beat the crap out of somebody on a regular basis but he, he does exactly that. And also, he's the sweetest boy in the world, like the softest sweetest boy and everyone knows that the fighters of a softest sweetest boys. I would, I would say that, and this is just my personal experience. What they absolutely get right is the goons are almost always just genuinely nice people because they look at it and they do a good job in this movie of making this clear and explaining the appeal of being a good because it's not a great life. You get punched in the face, you get hurt, you know, you get beat up. They mentioned ahead injuries at one point with parents. It's not a great life but a lot of, if not all of the goons that make it. They have in their heads that I'm protecting my teammates. I'm doing this for the good of the team, and I'm doing this because my teammates will be better off if I'm doing this thankless job. It takes a certain kind of personality, a pretty selfless person to fully embrace the goon role. What I will say though, and like, I don't, I'm not saying that every single goon is like this. In my, in my experience goons have been pretty smart, like the ones I've covered, like they're not dumb. I would, I'm not going to say that they're like, you know, Harvard grads, but they're thinking that the ones I've covered have been pretty smart like Nick DeLorean is a pretty smart guy. Obviously, in this movie, like he is not small. He is very dumb. No, and I think that's like a pretty universal, like, like, generally, it's like, oh no, like this is the only guy on the team that reads. Yeah. George Parro's went to Harvard. Exactly. That's not happens, but then there are like the Ronaldo's. Fair. I'm not going to, I don't want to insult the intelligence of the man, but I don't know if I'd like pick him for, for like Quizzo. He does a lot of his own research people. I wasn't even going to go there. It's just like, yeah, but I do think this movie nails. Like, it's representation of hockey players might be the best of any, like any movie. And the locker room stuff is, it's hot. The different architecture. It's like, the insane goalie, like the drunk captain, like who's just playing out the string. Like, there's so many perfect hockey archetypes that you're like, yeah, I've, I've met that guy, you know, at different levels, you know, it doesn't have to be the NHL, but you know a hockey player that like fits one of those descriptions in that locker room. And I think that's what they nail and the romanticizing of the enforcer role. Like, juxtaposed with the absolutely abhorrent violence, the way they display, the way they depict the violence, the fights in this movie is out of freaking control. Like Doug Glatt would be in jail. He would not, he would not be allowed to play. He was, it would be, it would be on the line of some a Jesse Bullery stuff. Yeah, he was. Yeah. It was that I think that this movie for me, I think, and this might be sacrilege. I think it's like a 1B to slapshot as far as like excellent hockey movies that like, do a good job of being hilariously funny. But also like perfectly capturing hockey and like the way that shores he does like that perfect, like the emotion of it, the romanticism of it, the how hilarious all these guys are how stupid most of them are like all of it is just like a perfect. Like, yes, this is the thing that I love. Thank you for making a movie about it. It's perfect. I think the, the one thing, and I do agree that this is, and there are that a really good hockey movie. We talked about this during this whole summer thing. No, most of them are cheesy. We watched Mr. Alaska, which Charlie and I both went into like, I like this movie. It was like, I mean, I enjoyed the two hours I was watching it. But was it a good film? No. No. Not really. Not really. But the reason why this is like this will always good as a perfectly fine movie. The reason why it will always in my mind be clearly second tier to slapshot is there are so many points in this movie that are direct nods to slapshot. Yes, where it's true, where it's just like, like for example, I mean, the captain, like he is functionally a parody of Paul Noob. Yes, I was, you're basically taking the Paul Newman character and ramping up the alcoholism to 20 and just being like, okay, this is what Paul Newman would be if he was sloshed all the time, like slapshot. This is him. This is him in like when he goes to the Minnesota Night Hawks, and he's still out there. Yeah, this is this is Paul Newman now. And like, it's probably my favorite scene in the movie, but the scene where the really, really bad national anthem singer. Like, that is so obviously a nod to slapshot. Yes. And like, it's great. It's my favorite scene in the movie. But there's no way they have that scene if you don't have I'm listening to the effing song from slapshot. That's a good point. And I like the fact, I like the fact that this movie wears his influences on its sleeve because it knows that hockey bands are going to watch this movie and basically every hockey band has seen slapshot. And they, they play up the fact that like this is slapshot for a new generation. They do. Absolutely. And like, is it, is it Jay Baruchale or Jay Baruchale? I can never remember how to spare. I think it's Baruchale, Baruchale or something like that. Yeah. He wrote the movie along with like Evan Goldberg, you know, from Superbad and all those things that he does with. He's, he's a very funny guy. Yeah. Hilarious. And like he's one of the producers. His fiance at the time was Alice in Pill, the love interest in the movie, who I just adore. I think she's just the cutest. I just want to hug her. I love Alice in Pill. She's one of my favorite characters in the movie. She's, she's not at all like the main woman in slapshot. No. Oh, yeah. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. She's, she's a much more fleshed out character and she's more like, well, that is. Yeah. Not annoying. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I want to get to some of our favorite, favorite scenes, favorite characters and everything. Let's start with favorite character and let's start it off with Kelly. Who do you have as your favorite character? I jotted his name down because I'm bad with names. My favorite character is the goalie. Marco. Yeah. Marco would say this. He's so funny. First of all, okay. So I know this is like extremely on brand for me, but it's, it's just the way that I am. The Saskatchewan accent that they have on that dude is so perfect. It's so perfect. He sounds like peak Prairie Canadian. And that's a very funny accent. If you ask me, it's a very funny version of Canadian accent. And so that's number one. And also, he's just hilarious. He's so funny. Charlie, do you have the, the same favorite character? I also have the goalie as my favorite character, which is funny because both of us picked the goalie from slapshot as our favorite character. Oh, yeah, he did. He's also the funniest. Liers fans man just obsessed with goalies just got to have one. I'll give you mine on the other side of this but I got to get these reads in now. We're going to start out with indeed because if you need to hire you need indeed. We're driven by the search for better, but when it comes to hiring the best way to search for a candidate isn't to search at all. You got to match with indeed. If you need to hire, you need indeed. 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All right, back to the movie folks my favorite character is the grizzled veteran, the guy who's been banging for a while. It's Ross the boss Ray, I am the animal boss. Yes. That's when, when Charlie was like you know a lot of the enforcers don't look this certain way. I feel like when you do it a long time you eventually assume a character. And that's like a guarantee Ross Ray didn't come into his career with the Fu Manchu, but he adopted it once he adopted the persona and I just love them. Like he was, he was pretty good for a guy who's retiring at the end of the year. He was making plays out there. It's a dug could only fight. Like Doug glat was only out there to fight. Ray is getting into the four check he's throwing the body he had to take away to set up a goal like he made some plays out there but I just, it'll get to my favorite scene he factors in very highly. It's probably not the one you think but I was, I love Ross Ray, like Lee of Schreiber like come on, I just watched him in something this weekend where he was phenomenal. And he was like a totally different dude. He was like a rich pot head guy in a murder mystery or something. He's always awesome and he's the voice a hard not exactly that's what I was going to say he's like in my mind now his voice is like the hockey is over a voice like his voice. Yeah, 24/7. Exactly. And for those reasons you don't remember he did the he was the what is the narrator. When they used to do the 24/7 road to the winter classic shows in the early 2010s he was the narrator for HBO. He did a fantastic show. So those shows were so good. Can't believe those 12 years ago. Just ridiculous. They gotta bring it back because the fliers have torts like come on. Yes, seriously. How does no one, how does no one have a camera on that locker room at all times, honestly. I really wonder, in the next CBA that has to be like okay we've done the expansion, like we've done everything like our ratings are good the product is as good as it's ever been people seem happy. The next route for growth is entertainment stuff like like really putting effort into making that stuff consistently good. And how could torts not be at the top of the list for people you'd want to follow in a hard knocks esque documentary. I'm never going to get it with the Eagles. So give it to me with the damn fliers like come on. All right. Favorite line. You've already mentioned the scene and I have to, I have to throw my favorite line in because it's in the the anthem scene. He's just sort of borderline treasonous, borderline treasonous. It is funny every freakin time. They announced some really good one liners in this movie, like overall. He's got like a little peppered like every now and again. He says something that's hilarious throws in some really good stuff he's well that was borderline treasonous. My grandfather didn't kick the Nazis ass out in the pockets drop in the pockets. That was so freakin. The announcer is he's got a little bit of Harry Doyle in him from. Yeah, from major league. So outstanding one liners. What were your, what were your favorite lines in the movie will start with Charlie. Yeah, well, I think the borderline treasonous line. I'll give that one to you. I think the entire national anthem part is just so good from start to finish. It's fantastic. And I do also love and I forgot about this one when, when the flam is fighting with, with, with Doug's friend. And he calls him an effing Bali McDonald cherry. So, so good. He just tosses it out there. And you're like, Oh my God, that's incredible. What was your favorite line Kelly. So my favorite one is because it's my favorite character and it's as soon as Doug gets to the locker room it really just establishes what we're in for is the goalie saying to rules man. Stay away from my Percocets and do you have any Percocets. Like, that might be it's like the perfect welcome into a locker room. Like when all of a sudden you're like, Oh, yep, it is here. So I remember like the first time stepping into the high school locker room as a middle schooler. I was like, I knew some of the older guys. It was like, yeah, come dress with us. I was like, Oh, this is, it's a different world. This is a little different than, than it was in sixth grade. Like, that's what I feel like Doug is like graduating like. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yep. It's this is here here. Favorite scenes. Okay. So I have two. I think one is probably is my actual favorite scene. One I think is the best scene in the movie. My favorite scene is that locker scene when the two Russians are messing with the goalie's helmet and the goalie's helmet has his mom's face on it. And then he literally like, the goalie just screams like, I'm on your team. This is so good. There's so much in the movie that we can't say on air. That's just so funny. They really, they really took swearing away from us like a week too soon to do this show and then go to it. But, yeah, I like getting paid. So it is. But so I think that's my favorite scene. This is just very funny. I think the best scene in the movie, though, is when Doug meets Ray in the diner. That is the best. That is the best scene in the book. It's just so good. And it adds like the necessary like heft to the movie that isn't there through the rest of it. It just adds that like, Oh, yeah, these are real people and there are like actual emotions in play. And it's like, yeah, it's going to be a fight and we've seen a bunch of fights already and they've been incredibly stupid violent. But this is something else. Like, this is very, very important to both of them because of this scene. Like, he's not going to just go out. He's not passing the torch by any means. And Doug, he wants to prove he's a he is a hockey player. We play hockey. This is part of the game. You really get a sense of the level of respect that both of these guys have for each other, which I think is important. That's a thread throughout. Like the little thing they nail is just like when I think it's when he lines up with the rock. He's like, they look at each other. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh, and then at the end, like, all right, good fight. Like, just a little thing. Yeah. Like, we know Jay Barry Shell, I guess, is a big hockey fan. He wrote a book about the Canadians. Like, he does a bunch of everything he does. Like, I think he could be making bigger games if he wanted to. And he's like, Nah, I'm kind of just all about making Canadian stuff. Canadians. Like, that's, that's like his goal. And that, like, you mentioned, they threw in, like, the trailer park boys are in it for like five seconds. I totally forgot that they were just to like, Hey, yeah, man, like, they were the biggest thing in Canada. That was like the time when everyone discovered the trailer park boys was like, this is the biggest thing in the world for two years. Yeah. And that was, that was the trailer park. And he just threw them in and says, like, how can I have a Canada movie without the trailer park boys? Like, so that was great stuff. What was your favorite scene, Kelly? So I have this weird thing where one of the things that I think is the most hilarious thing in the world. It's something that Norm McDonald used to do all the time is when you take a joke that's objectively funny. And then you explain why the joke is funny. With the picture of the beach ball explaining why it's funny that there's a beach ball going behind the gullies, because it's bigger than a puck. It's funny. I like, I die every time I watch that scene because it's just, it's like directed at me specifically because for some reason I think that's so hilarious. That's, that's my favorite. I want to take this time to thank all of our PHLY diehards joining us today and all the diehards around the world. We could not do what we do here at PHLY or throughout all city without you. Thank you very much if you want to sign up to be a diehard do so right now, damn it. That's all PHLY.com. All right, let's get to the worst character. This is tough because it's a really good freaking film. And there's some, there's some great characters even in the background here. I want to go. It pains me because he's such an amazing, such an amazing actor but Eugene Levy, man. Come on. Be proud of your son. Yeah. That's a good. That's a yeah. And also like except your other son. That's something I forgot to bring up. I forgot that this all begins because he's defending his brother. Glat is basically like being the woke mob. He is standing up against the guy using the F slur and that starts an entire hockey career. Yeah. It's a movie franchise hockey. All right, so my worst character is Eugene Levy. Who do you guys have? I didn't pick one because I forgot that this was a question. So I guess I have. I mean, you're, no one else is bad really like not anybody else really sucks. The only other person I could think of is that little blonde guy Stevenson because I just don't understand what his point is. Why are you here? That's fair. I'm going to pick a controversial one. Oh. J Barishell's character annoys the hell out of me. He really annoys me. And I get that he's I get that he's supposed to be annoying, but he really annoys me. But also like if that person existed in real life. A, he would follow us on Twitter. B, he would definitely be a die heart on this website. He's, he's, he's our people. He's one of our people. He's an inspiration. Bill is him with, you know, 90% less purse words. I totally understand why LaFlam wants to beat him up and spits off. I get it because he's real annoying. Oh, I thought if we had like a worse scene when they finally all walk around the, the logo, I thought that would be your least favorite thing in the movie. Oh, the logo. So much. Yeah, the four logos annoying. It's, it's a whole thing. But it's a hockey thing. And they do. I, that is one thing I do love about this movie though. Yeah. Is that little things like that. It's abundantly clear. And like J Barishell obviously is a huge hockey. It's abundantly clear. These people know hockey. Like the one, the one little thing. And like it's not, it's not even that little because it's actually a pretty extended scene, but it's one of those things that you kind of have to know hockey to understand that this is very real. When LaFlam comes back to Quebec and all the Quebec fans, irrationally hate him for no reason. And it's just like, yes, that is what French Canadian hockey fans do. If you are a French Canadian player and you don't play on a French Canadian team, even if you had no choice in the matter, you are evil and you are a villain. You are a villain. It is ridiculous, but it is something that you have to know hockey to, to know to put that in the movie. And I respect how many of those little things that it's very clear they know hockey very well. So I asked this question about slap shot, slap shot. And I'm going to ask it about this. Once again, there were some very obvious nods to the Philadelphia Flyers in this movie. Do we think that is, once again, deliberate, as far as like, that's the fighting hockey team, we must. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The Halifax jerseys. Yeah. Have like, there are flyers logo, like they have the flyers logo as an H. Yeah. Like, it's a flying H instead of a flying P. I may have read that they did like that was a purposeful choice. I think it's a good way. Well, because there's no, there's no team in professional hockey that is more associated with fighting than the Philadelphia Flyers. I mean, obviously it's a different era now, the new era of orange or whatever. And just hockey is different. But if you think, like if somebody says fighting in hockey name a team, most people are going to name the Philadelphia Flyers. They just don't associate with them. It's definitely, I think that's definitely a purposeful choice. And I'm almost positive. I read that it was like when the movie came out, which was way longer ago than I thought 2011 is so freaking long ago. I was still in college. Five years. Five years ago. I should have graduated, but I still had another year because the Phillies won the World Series and then went back to that. How was I supposed to know? Is it better reason for taking too long than my reason, which was I just didn't feel like it. Yeah, there you go. Let's hit. Let's hit a couple of super chats and then get out of here. All right. The first one is from Patrick Charlie. How do you balance being a journalist and being a fan of the team? I've made the case that I don't really consider myself a fan anymore. It's never going to fully go away. I grew up a Flyers fan. I know the team. I know the city. I know the people. That's a question that probably has to be answered differently for every single person who covers a team. Obviously a lot of people cover teams. They didn't grow up. I'm lucky that I was able to stay in the place I was born in the team I grew up following. I think I'm writing is better for that because I think I think I understand. It's not even that I'm going to consider myself like a Bill Meltzer level expert on the history of the Flyers. I don't. But I feel like I understand the fans in a way that somebody who came from like Kentucky wouldn't. And I think that's a benefit. But in terms of how do I balance it? I mean, I want to see the Flyers do well because it's a good story and it'll be easier to write about. And because it's just more fun to cover a good team. So I feel like I'm more lean towards that. But if the Flyers ever get real good again, it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see what like my emotions are in those moments. Yeah. So I'm going to be honest with you. I know that once you cross the threshold into professional journalists, you're supposed to hang up your fan hat forever. But I would argue that the reason that you're so good at what you do. Is that in there in your brain still is fan boy Charlie, you can't ever kill him. He's never going to die. Like you can put him in the back and you can shut the door. And you can hope that you don't hear him yelling. But somewhere in there. Is a little boy getting real excited when the Flyers won a hockey game. And that makes your writing better. It's why I don't think this isn't like a personal slate like if you were covering the sabers. I don't think you would be. As good as you are covering the Flyers because I do think that despite the fact that you're not supposed to care who wins and like you're not supposed to be a fan. You're not supposed to like all of that stuff that like the professional say all the time. Like, it's not a bad thing to be a fan of a team. And I think that having a little bit of an emotional investment, even if it's in the back of your mind, makes the way that you cover the team better. Well, when I when I wrote when I wrote my intro, like intro to Flyers coverage at the athletic piece, they probably go still but go back and find it. I straight up said like I'm not going to stop being a fan. And the guy who I cited was Bob Ryan who covered the the Boston Celtics for years. He's like a legendary sports writer for basketball. And he basically said, look, what I do is I'm I consider myself a fan of the team. I watched the game, you know, as a fan and then I take the fan hat off and I write about the game as it happened and how I saw it. I would say that that was definitely my stated approach in the beginning when I got with the athletic. It changed in part because and I've said this on the show. Like, I felt disconnected from Flyers fans when things got really, really nasty on social media around the pandemic. And I sort of had to, because I just think that like in the years of 2020 and 2021, especially when hockey got started again in 2021, people were just really, really angry all the time because everyone was stuck in their houses. And it just became well let me yell at the beat writer because what else am I going to do I can't yell. I can't yell at Elaine vio and Dave Scott because they won't listen to me, whereas the beat writer will actually interact with me so let me yell at him and do all these things. And I do think that did kill some of my family because it, I came up through blogging. I was very much unabashedly a fan, and there were people on social media who I thought were my friends and then I found out no, they're not my friends. They just see me as the enemy because now I'm a writer. And I think that that did create something of a disconnect but I don't think it killed it. It just, it forced me to, it forced me to place a larger distance between myself and the team, because I probably was still to invest it in the idea of being part of Flyers. And it made it hurt even more when it became clear that no a lot of people just didn't view me as a fan, because I was right. So it's like, okay, well you're not going to view me as a fan and I'm just going to be right. But it's probably still there at some point to some degree. It'll come back when I steal the Stanley Cup. I was going to say when they win. I'll get Charlie to drink out of it. And then we'll start a whole Twitter controversy like that dude. I'm not going to be up in the press box, dude off running down onto the ice. All right, let's get to that set up chat. Let's see Gary B. Kelly, how sick was Pearl Jam last night? I'm sad. I miss Saturday's Johnny and Matthew. Good road tribute. Get my mat vay Mishkov autograph puck inscribed seventh overall. Yeah, so Saturday Pearl Jam did a little tribute to Johnny and Matthew Goudreau, which was very lovely. They played given to fly. For them. Saturday's show was like a general consensus from the people that I talked to last night, like a top five all time. Pearl Jam show. It was insanely good. Last night. Also very good. So as like a two run black shows, not a bad way to spend a couple of days. I'm glad you got to go to one Gary. I didn't like him. I didn't like Eddie talking about the spectrum like that though. It was hilarious. I mean, it didn't. The bathrooms didn't work. They didn't work when it was brand. No. It worked for shut down. They have, of course there are rats running around. They have spectrum chairs like in there. I don't even like I don't know if it's like their studio or like their fan club building or someplace. I've seen video of them walking around. They've got spectrum chairs in it. I'm very proud of those shows as they should be because they were awesome. But yeah, it was really fun. Thank you for asking Gary. All right. Is that it? No more. No more super chats. Okay. So that is all the time we have for you on PHL Y Flyers today. Thank you all for listening. Thank you for hanging out. If you haven't already, you got to hit that subscribe button. Search PHL Y Flyers on YouTube. Hit subscribe. Follow us. Set that reminder bell. Never miss a live show. We'll be back tomorrow at one o'clock. Follow us on Twitter at PHLY underscore flyers and follow the podcast where we get those. Just search PHLY Flyers or my name is Bill Matt's. That's Charlie O'Connor. That's Kelly Hinkle. Until tomorrow you stay loose and sexy, Philly. (upbeat music)
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