(upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) Hey everybody, how you doing? Well, that's good. Welcome to PHLY Flyers. My name is Bill Matts. I'm your director of fun and games on this beautiful Thursday afternoon, joining me today. Not only do we have Philadelphia's number one hockey beat reporter Charlie O'Connor, but we finally have the return of the world traveler brought Street Hockey's own Kelly Henkel, the globe trotter. Hanks, I feel like it's been weeks. It has been weeks. Well, I think technically, two weeks. Yeah, two weeks. Yeah. It's, I know I get tired of just me and Charlie. So I got to believe the viewers are like, thank God, someone else. But that's what we have for you today. The whole gang, hail, hail, the gang's all here. Oh, yeah. Kelly, I have a question. What up? How many pearl jam concerts are you going to this year? How many times have you gone to the bathroom in your life? Only four of this tour. Only four? Only four. That's a low number. That's a low number. So you were just in Montana. Yeah. What other shows? The two Philly shows, which are next week. Okay. And then I'm going to Fenway. Okay. Where are you just somewhere else? I was in Montana. Didn't you go somewhere before that? Oh, yeah. Last year, I went to Chicago. I feel like you were just somewhere else this year. I don't know. I like to use the tours as an excuse to go someplace I've never been. I mean, I think it's cool. Yeah. I just was curious how many times you received pearl gems here. I'm going to try to get a ticket for the other Fenway show. So it might be fine. Wait, be fine. Okay. For what other? I cannot imagine another reason a person from the Northeast would go to Montana. So that's a great excuse. Well, I would highly refer if you're crossing states off your list. It's a great, it's a great way to hit that one. Beautiful. It's not. It's very happy that you're back joining us though. And before we get into today's program, not only are we giving away one pair of tickets for the Flyers, Rangers, rookie series game on Friday, September 13th in Allentown at the PPL Center. We're giving away two pairs today. Hell yeah. Because tomorrow, Charlie and I aren't going to be here. It's a stream yard show. There's no way anyone's going to remember the bucket with all the names in it. So we're going to give out the final two pairs for this week today. Love that. And we're going to do it right now. Baby. We're going to shake up the bucket about 20 or so names left in here to choose from in the choose chill bucket. The choose chill bucket. I'm not looking or fixing this in any way. It's exciting. I mixed it up. And today's first winner is five star man, five star man, five star man in the in the discord is his name. I will get in touch with you in the discord. So I can forge you the tickets. Remember, you need a ticket master account. If you don't have one, you know how to make an account. Just make one. And I can forge you them via email and boom, you have a pair of tickets to the rookie series game on Friday the 13th. Here's winner number two and winner number two. Now we have Travis Weaver Travis Weaver in five star man are our two winners today. Congratulations, Mr. Weaver and Mr. Man. After today's show, I'll be in touch in the discord, asking for your emails that are linked to your ticket master account. You give them to me. I forged you the tickets and boom, you get to hang out with us on Friday, September 13th. It's beautiful. All in town, Pennsylvania. All right. That's a call us all favorites. It was like, I think I'm good. I think Kelly happily would go back to Montana, it seems. I would Alexi Colosov, not so much with the Allen. No one even put me up in a hotel and I still go back. Well, no one abandoned you in a hotel either. You know, barricaded your door into a cleanly. Yeah, that's true. All right. Another. This is what I wanted to start with today. If you saw our, our thumbnail to start the show, Charlie just goes, why are we, why are we doing this today? And it was the, the car silo with Max Talbot doing the shush from a, was it game six of the 09 quarter final? Yes. Fliers trailing 32 in the series have a three nothing lead in the game and on the ensuing face off after the third goal. Max Talbot challenged Dan Carcillo and stupidly, Dan Carcillo accepted the fight and not what a dig Ursula is best. But if he wins the fight, he wins the fight. But I was going to say to be fair and to refresh your memory, if you don't remember exactly how it went down from hockey fights.com other YouTube page, we actually have the footage. His very good friend, Marty Beeron gave him a paddle to pass. They got such a great relationship. And the referee came in and talked to them, but they let the play go and drop the mix. I understand why Max Talbot is fighting here. But if you're Dan Carcillo, there's really no reason to engage. You have all the momentum. You're up three nothing to gain. There is a time. There is a place. You know, the Flyer fans love it. You know what, Panger? There's no reason. Do not give the Penguins any opportunity to build some momentum off of a scrap. The game was pretty free. I mean, this was going on right before the puck dropped. The only thing I could say is after watching the bench, my last moment today of all days is the Penguins decided that this year they're going to release the a championship series of bobbleheads commemorating great moments from their different Stanley cup runs. There's a jogger and a Mario, obviously, there's going to be a Phil Kessel. There's a horn twist. And you see that February 27th for the game against the Philadelphia Flyers, a Talbot, Bobblehead, masterful troll. It's a really good troll. As much as I hate the Penguins and that moment, I got to say, that's great work. Sometimes you do got to give it to them. That's true. Not to compare those two things. Every now and again, you do got to give it to them. The Penguins actually won that game five to three after trailing three nothing. I want to see. So Breyer puts them up three nothing. Yeah, a couple minutes into the second period. Carcillo and Talbot fight on the ensuing face off and then Rusty Fedotenko. Let's see here. 14 seconds later, makes it three one, two less than two minutes later, Mark. Makes it three two. And then with about three minutes left in the second, Sydney Crosby ties the game from Bill Garen to make it three three and then in the third period, Gancher scores, two minutes in to take the lead. Crosby adds an empty netter to close the series. Fliers lose five three. What a hell of a troll. I'll always remember this game because this year, oh, eight, oh nine, my buddy Frankie and I had like 11 or 17 ticket plan, whatever it was. And he gets the playoff tickets and he gets a sweet. I was like, dude, I can't afford to get to it. So I ended up not being in on the playoffs after we just went through the whole season and him and his brother go to this game and I'm tailgating with them. And I was like, I'm not going in. And I'm like about to leave and a scalper's coming up to me. And greatest line a scalper has ever said, come on, man, treat yourself. Don't cheat yourself. Oh my God, I'm so close that I need to eat this week. I don't know. And I walked away. I didn't buy the tickets and I went home. And I just, I watched this game unfolding. Oh, thank God. Because if I had spent what little money I had left and like couldn't eat this week because of this, I would be in jail. Like, I would have left the game under arrest. And that's what I'll always remember about this game. It's a, I honestly, I'm going to try to get one of these. I think this is a great, this is a great bottle. It's real good. But I wanted to know if any sort of role player or like underrated moment, notorious moment, if the flyers, obviously they haven't won a cop. So it couldn't be like the championship series. But if you wanted to like immortalize one of these maybe underrated moments, yeah, is there anything that really comes to mind that the flyers could do? You know, it'd be really funny. You know that picture of Kennekney sideways up against the courts. Oh, yeah. Someone like made a hat out of? Yeah, like that would be an extremely funny one. Very good sideways, Travis Kennekney stuck to the boards. His whole body bubbles. It would be hilarious. Body bubbles. I love it. That would be good. That would be good. The one thing I was going in another direction though, I was thinking about like, because the penguins obviously with this, the, with the thing, yeah, are like trying to be creative. Yeah. So my thought process, why don't they go all in? Like for the Phil Kessel one, have him holding a hot bottle. Oh, that would be great. Or have him sitting in a casino. Yeah. Like the two things that he's known for off the ice for Jogger have him laying in a bed next to like a 21 year old mom. He could also be in a casino. For Mario have him in a suit and then have him like holding up a piece of paper that's like Kansas City, like an expert. That would be amazing. That's like, like the slap shot movie poster with the first sale sign. Yeah, like something like that. Yeah, Ray's got a good one in the chat. The Hartnell doing the a whole co good one. That'd be good. I thought of if you could put out a couturier one with just one leg from his hat trick with the torn MCL. I thought that was that game. They did lose that game, which makes it even funnier. Oh my God. Yeah. Guy on one leg scores a hat trick. You lose wires hockey, baby. I think like the coolest actual bobblehead would be bush making the detachable helmet. That would be that would be very sick. Yeah. And like capping and grabbing on to the boards would be like really cool. Yeah. I don't know if you want to celebrate a concussion. I was going to say that was kind of a dark, but they're kind of celebrating Max Talbot's concussion here. Can we get a like a crisp, ponger bobblehead of him sealing the pucks? That's fun. Him reaching into the net to take the pucks in the sale. They're just a sad face. It's like a bobble sad face, not an actual goalie head. Yeah. If the devil's wanted to do something like this, well, Stevens with a flying elbow would be very funny. Yeah, that would be that would be some good stuff too soon. One thing I got to say though, like Fenway sports group bought the penguins. Yeah. They are well funded to say the least a lot of money. Yeah. Only the first 7,500 fans get these bobbleheads. You know, a third of your crowd gets the bobbleheads. I feel like what she bastards. What you're doing there is you're really establishing a secondary market for these bobbleheads because people are going to want them. Yeah. And so now you're just going to have like 500 people who don't give a give a crap about the we're trying. Bobbleheads are going to go there, get them and immediately put them on eBay for like 100 bucks. It would be cooler if you just let all of the fans have we were I did the I was hosting I was in for Anthony Gargano this morning on the Gargano show and we were talking about bobbleheads because the Dodgers just did an Otani one and it's gold. It's really cool. But like the line out the door, like it was down the block around. It was like, Oh, wow, Dodgers fans showed up on time good for them. But it's I just think in like the Phillies used to do this limit the giveaways. I was 14 years old and there was a Randy Wolf bobblehead for kids 14 and under. I was like this tall when I was 14. Oh, no, they were like, no, I was like, but I don't like I don't carry an idea. I don't have a job. My dad's like, he's 14 and they were just like, no. And I like devastated. I was like, this is why I'm here. Randy Wolf was my guy at the time. I was furious. Do you remember the wolf back? Oh, of course. Come on. It's like one of the first homegrown Phillies. I left the pitcher. I love that dude. But like since then now that the Phillies are like acting like a large market team, their giveaways are forever. Yeah, they have like some children's ones and stuff every now and then like no, grownups don't meet back to school stuff. But like the giveaways are for everyone because why not? Yeah, like you have a 20,000 C stadium and you're giving them to 7,500 people. That's lame. That's a jerk move. Yeah, I don't like it. I would agree. Anyway, yeah. So that's that's all I wanted to do. Talk about that today. That's that's over with now. And that is a horrible, a horrible moment in flyers history. Here's my question though about before we move on. Oh, sure. Do our people because the one thing I did remember when we when we just played that clip is that immediately after the fight, the commentators say it was dumb for car solo to get in that fight is do people remember it as much if the commentators didn't say it immediately after because they caught the the comments are clearly primed. Everyone watching that game to think that Oh, no, something bad is going to happen for the flyers. And then the fact that it did immediately, I feel like that plays in a white six and everyone's like the fact that that fight happens right after the three nothing goal. And then the penguins score immediately and then two minutes later. And now it's a game probably weighs in. I'll tell you so I watch this game at home, left the tailgate right at home. And I synced it up with the radio because it was national game and that's, you know, screw the national commentators. And I don't remember them mentioning that. And when I put it in the group text, my friends are like, oh, you're just listening to the announcers too much. I was like, I don't even have that broadcast. So I don't like also, I'm just I'm obsessed with fights. And right, it was a good fire. There are times to do them in times to not to be fair. Dan Carcela whooped him. Yeah, it's on the flyers team as a whole to not why didn't you gain momentum from your guy getting goaded into this fight and completely destroying him? I guess it's they already had they were up three now. I know they already had the momentum. Don't lose that game, dummies. No, that's no matter what happened. Losing that game leading three nothing almost halfway through it is like an all time collapse. It's awful. Like that's it's the Bruins in game seven. Not quite to that level, but no, but they were leading later than the Bruins were true. And to give it up like that. I think but yeah, I think the announcers saying it. Yeah, definitely. But even like we know hockey people, hockey people love fights. And they're like, yeah, that's not the time for one though. I mean, I get it. Like they were right. Ultimately they were ultimately it did not play out the way the fire. But yeah, that's that. And I hear sometimes you have to tip your hat to the worst people you know. Yeah. And that's the Pittsburgh Penguins on this one. They got us. They got us good. Hopefully sometime in the near future, we can do this game recognized this game. All right. And before we go any further and get to. Yeah. Well, guess what I'm doing today. Left over male bad questions from yesterday. It's a holiday week. Hey Charlie wasn't here. We weren't here. Yeah. So I want that. I want your opinions on some things that I saved from yesterday. 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That's between the Eagles and Packers. And no one is allowed to wear green. Is that actually a thing? I thought that was a myth. I heard it's real, but I don't. I just think it's hilarious that they didn't really look into it. Two teams that wear green. Yeah. Maybe you shouldn't do that. It's like they're soccer teams, big rival wares green or something. So it's like a big deal soccer. I think I think the idea is that it might be dangerous if like you're walking around just aimlessly wearing Eagles colors. Yes. Actually, it's the color of the team that everyone in that area hates. Yeah. Friend of black shirts. Good luck with that. You know, they tell us we're the worst. We're not the worst. You know, I know we've had our moments, but we're not dangerous to just be walking around and like something that's blue because we hate the Cowboys. Just saying. All right. Let's get to some mailbag questions. We got through a whole lot yesterday, but there are a few I put off to the side because I wanted to get you guys opinion on them. And there's one I want to revisit because honestly, I want to bounce out some of the negativity at the end of this. So let's get into a lot of questions for flyers. Are there a negative? I'm shocked. It goes back and forth. This is because yesterday was what if Wednesday? Okay. And I just think like it went back and forth. But so a lot of these are what if questions. But this is a this is kind of a fun one. And coming off of a couple of a couple avid concert goers next to me, I think it applies. It's good stuff. All right. So from filibuster 10, some hockey fans are against wearing another team's jersey to a hockey game, e.g. wearing a wild jersey to a flyers wings game, something like that. If you're against this, what's your stance on wearing another band shirt to a concert? Charles, what are your thoughts on this? Okay. Well, I guess before I get to the concert section of this question, I was like, I personally don't have a problem if you wear another team's jersey to a hockey game, like whatever, you know, is it a little odd, a little, but whatever. I love it. Where would you want? Yeah. Where would you want? Exactly. I would at least like because I have the orange Yogi Ogle Thorpe jersey. Maybe I'd go with something like that, but I definitely wear a flyers hat or something to go with it. Yeah, but you got to fly your flag, man. Also, hockey jerseys are expensive. Some people wear them around. I'm not like a jersey kind of guy. I pretty much only wear them two games or sports related events and go into a bar to watch a game. Yeah. And I'll throw on my brand of Graham jersey, but like pretty much only wear them two games. I'm definitely not going to like, if I'm a flyers fan, go into wings wild, like not wearing either of their stuff. Right. They're the bad guys. Right. So I'm just going to rep my team. Yeah. But there is like, I have a friend who like, when Philly's games forever, that's like, you know, Philly's Mets or something, someone just shows up in a Yankees jersey goes, Hey, you're lost. They're not playing. And like, it's funny. It's funny, it's funny, funny, heckle. But like, that is, I think frowned upon sometimes the band shirt. I think it differs for bands, but the like consensus is you don't wear that shirt to that kind of like everyone knows you're there to see that band. It's not like they're up against some other band. There's no competition going on. Yeah, my the general, I feel not consensus because there's no such thing as consensus when it comes to anything, really. But the cool thing to do is not to wear the t-shirt of the band you're seeing. That is that has been like the indie consensus is that it's weird. What's that movie? And PCU. Yeah, it's weird to wear like, if you're going to see a Pearl Jam show that you shouldn't wear a Pearl Jam shirt because everyone is already everyone to the show. Presumably as a Pearl Jam fan, you don't need to show off that you are a bigger Pearl Jam fan. Personally, I don't have a problem with it. It's kind of like, whatever. Again, where would you want? But the idea of wearing another band shirt to a concert, I do that to basically every concert I go to. Yeah, like a cashier wardrobe anyway, have my wardrobe or band t-shirts. So I definitely don't think it's weird. In fact, I would go so far as to say that there are sections, there are large sections of the music concert going community that would say that wearing another band's shirt to a concert is exactly what you should do. That is not it's not only not frowned upon, that is the expectation. Yeah. So I only go to Pearl Jam shows really. Right. Pearl Jam people do wear Pearl Jam shows, the shirts to Pearl Jam shows. They do it in like, for example, I might wear this shirt, which is from Missoula, to the Philly show, so that everyone knows that I'm super cool and went to the show in Missoula. Our people might wear like, a super old tour shirt. So like Pearl Jam fans do wear Pearl Jam stuff to Pearl Jam shows. Okay. I think there is a differentiation to be made for tour shirts. Okay. Like specific tour shirts. Like I've been to countless brew shows and like half the people there are wearing shirts from concerts from the last 40 years. Right. Yeah. And I think that's different. It's just like, yeah, man, I was there. I was there. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen Bruce set like almost every Philly venue. So it's like, yeah, I'll wear my spectrum shirt to Citizens Bank. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Like I wore my one of my gritty Pearl Jam shirts to the Missoula show. Yeah. And like saw another guy in the crowd with the gray shirt and I was like, Hey, Philly person. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I always I've always deferred to PCU. I love that Kelly pulled it out right away too. But like end of the day who cares. I can not imagine caring about what another person is wearing. One thing I will say about the reason why I personally like to wear band t-shirts to concerts, but not the the band that I'm seeing. And this is just something I enjoy. I have like, if I show up to, I'm just trying to think like if I show up to like a wonder year show and I'm wearing a Jimmy World D shirt, I have very often gotten into conversations with random people in the crowd. It's like, Hey, nice shirt. Then we talk a little bit about the band I'm wearing because like it's just to me, it serves as something of a conversation starter with random people. And I think that's cool. Whereas if I went to a wonder year show and I'm wearing a wonder year shirt, it's like, Oh, you're a wonder year's fan. I'm shot. Yeah. And that's, I think that there is like that's different too with like a smaller show versus the big arena or stadium where it's again, man, we're all here to see Pearl Jam, right? I'm like, obviously. And we're the biggest per like, how many people even live in Montana? You know, but I do. People from all over the world. Yeah. You couldn't get out traveling. I do very much dig the like wearing old tour shirts of that band. I think that that is cool. And just like I wear like indie wrestling shirts to WWE shows just to show all just to show all the marks that I'm cooler. Exactly. Yeah, man. I like I like deathmatch wrestling. Exactly. I'm just here. I'm here for the for the lols. All right. Let's go to the next question from a wall crib. Wall crab. Yeah. He, a regular contributor claw. What if the devils just aren't that good and can never quite figure out what does it say? Never quite put it at together despite all the stars. I would be nice. The devils just never get it going. That would be great, but it seems unlikely. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I guess it would be a good maybe a testament to the way the flyers are doing stuff. Yeah. It's fair. Hey, man, you don't need all these top 10 picks. If, you know, your culture's good. And yeah, you got all these stars together and none of them can play. Yeah. They can play, but they just seem to not win. Don't I guess that would be cool. I like it. I think it's highly unlikely. It seems unlikely. Just because like looking at what happened to the devils last year, what were their two big issues? Big issue number one was goaltending. Big issue number two was injuries. They lost doggy Hamilton early in the year. Jack Hughes was playing injured through basically the entire second half of the year. It's a big reason. Those are the two big reasons why they weren't very good. Well, presumably everyone will be healthy this year and they went on the trade for Jacob Marshall. Yeah. So it's hard for me to envision a scenario where the devils are bad again. I guess anything's possible. You can't rule anything out, but that team has got a lot of talent on paper. They are better than the flyers and by not in significant margin. No, and it would be incredibly shocking if this year, like I don't even think they need time. Like this year, they should be incredibly good. I will say both Jack Hughes and Dougie Hamilton, their two biggest injuries last year have missed a substantial amount of time both in two of the last three years. Yeah. So it could be something. Dougie is now on the wrong side of 30. Like that hasn't. He's 30 now. He is. He turned 31 mid-June. Okay. So and Jack Hughes is small. And Jack Hughes is not the biggest dude in the world. He's 511, 175 hockey reference as a mat. So it's maybe an ongoing concern for them. That's it. Fliers have a fair number of guys. Maybe one of the most important guys in chamie dry stale who kind of fits that bill of, yeah, he needs to stay healthy and he ain't that big. So we'll see. And then they have another guy who had two back surgeries that fell off a cliff in the second half when he got hurt. And then wrist the line and who's the size of a house and can't stay healthy. Apparently not. But I'm just, it's a possibility. It would be shocking though, but what if the devil's just never put it together, can't quite ever seem to get all the pieces to match? Cool. It's easy to forget though that like, yes, the devils were bad last year. The year before they got to the second round, they beat the range. It's not as if they have it. It's not as if they're a team that we're looking at and saying, when are they, when are they going to break through? Yeah, they already broke through two years ago. I mean, what the fliers have won one playoff series in 15, what, 14 years? And that was in front of no fans. Why would you say that out loud? I don't like that. Goddamn it, Charlie. I'm like hearing that. I was like half the age. Time doesn't make sense anymore. Like in the before and the after the pan, like nothing makes sense. So I have never really consciously thought about it being one playoff series in that long. I don't like that. Let's never talk about it. I'm not a fan of it. 13 years, I guess, because they won, they won, they won the one in 2011, 2012, 2012, they was the, they beat the penguins. That was the last playoff series they won in front of fans. Ew. Yeah. I don't like that. But it's a 12 year. The Devils have also only made the playoffs once in the last six seasons. Fair. Like it's not as if they have this great record of success. They had one year where their young players put it together and they beat the Rangers in the first round. Now chances are, they're going to be vying for, you know, those final four spots, like getting to a conference final, winning a cut, like they're going to be in that conversation for the next seven, eight, 10 years, probably. But you never, it's not as if they have already put it together. I had one season, like we look back at that 2012 flyers team and go, oh man, they were on the upside. Catoria is still young. Shen still look at all this young talent. And then what happened? We're things we haven't won a playoff series. Yeah. We were things have an hockey. It would not surprise me. Like, I think the Devils are going to be good for a while. It would not surprise me, though, if they never get past good. You know what I mean? Yeah. That they are consistently a playoff team with a lot of really good players at the top of their lineup and they can't figure out a way to have it come together and turn into an actual true championship contender. Like they could, I would see them ultimately becoming like a junior varsity Leafs. Okay. That, that to me is a plausible outcome that, but I don't think it's likely that they're going to just be bad. I think I just have too much talent. This next question is from a great name here. Dan Crayon asks. Who is a prospect in the flyer system currently who you think doesn't get enough attention and has a serious chance to defy expectations. I have a good one for this. All right. Let me hear it. So we are looking. We are currently working on our top 20 list, which will be out next week. Did my interview actually this morning with with assistant general manager Brent Flair. We do that for every every list. We do the two part interview on the forwards the defense, but in the goalies that we ranked one guy who I absolutely think is underrated in the prospect pool. He will be on our list. Spoiler alert. Alex bump. I was just looking at him. Alex, I think Alex bump legitimately has like quality middle six winger and a shop potential. And given the fact they got him in the fifth round and he isn't talked about much, I think he absolutely qualifies as one of those guys who perhaps doesn't get enough attention. I I obviously go to and I cover every development camp at every single development camp bump has been in. He has popped. Like you he does not look like a fifth round pick. He looks like a sack around. I do remember you talking about him just this past camp that just yeah, he looks like a guy who can play and it's not the first camp. He's looked that good. He looks good at all of these camps. He was nearly point per game pays last year at Western Michigan. Keith Jones is all my monitor. So he's got that in his corner. He's gonna be a Jonesy favorite. Yeah, just like Wade Allison and help him just like way down. Well, I'm joking, Charlie. It's just a joke. But no, I think I think Alex bump is a great example of a prospect who doesn't get enough attention and could legitimately be I'm not saying he's gonna be a star. But I think he could be a middle six, like a middle six 40ish point a year guy, which is pretty darn good to get out of the fifth round pack. That's a good one just because we talk all the time. Like we are our audience is the hardcore hyper focused on these things sort of audience for the most part. So it's hard to come up with a guy who doesn't get a ton of looks because we like we talk about everyone. Like I don't know man, Massimo Rizzo is some dude they just found and basically got as a dump from Carolina. It's like I don't know. He might be something but we talk about him all the time. He might he might never play above the HL or he might be something who knows. But we it's not as if we don't talk about him. I feel like Alex bump very much fills that uh fills that one. Um just looking at what they have. So I feel like a guy that I feel like I hear about when someone is focused on the fliers prospects, but never like just like generally in conversation. Um Sierra Nick. Oh Alex Sierra Nick. Yeah. Yeah. I mean he's he's intriguing. I really like that draft pick. He was a fourth round pick last year. Uh he had a rough year last season because he had concussions. Okay. So he kind of had a lost developmental year because of the concussions. More or less what I believe happened is he got a concussion playing in the All's Ven skin. The the second here Swedish league rushed back because he really wanted to play in world juniors. And then he had a second concussion in world juniors knocked him out for the rest of the tournament. And then he like sat out like three months in part because it was like, okay, we're gonna really make sure that he's okay this time. Was it Sierra Nick or southern where the consensus was like, yeah, we'll see. Don't know if he's getting a contract. That was southern. That was southern. That was mostly because it just didn't sound like when we interviewed Nick Schultz at development. Yeah. It didn't sound like Nick Schultz was particularly kind of remember we talked to. Um Southern is interesting because he is a um he plays for a really good team in Portland in the WHL. Um he's got size. He's right-handed. He can skate. I think he ultimately does get a contract, but it was interesting that Nick Schultz was a little dismissive. Just kind of like needs to show us more. He's only got one more year. We have to make a decision. Think that was more of a little like prodding, public prodding, a little challenge. But I like southern. He's a solid prospect. He's got some upside. I don't think he's like the kind of guy where like I look at Alex bump and I see a guy. Yeah, maybe he could score a bit in the NHL. Southern like, yeah, maybe he's a third player defense. Okay. Just so I have an answer, I'm gonna go with a guy who I think a year ago, we were like, all right, let's see what he's got. And now he's really falling off in terms of just total expectations from fans, maybe the organization as well. Elliot Danoi. Two years ago, 23 goals, 44 points and 65 games to the fannoms. Last year, six goals, 22 points, 63 games, his two point production cut in half. I blame La Parrier to only the way is like La Parrier's got. I want you to work so well. Oh, doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. They're French Canadian French Canadian bros. Well, well, didn't work out last year. Hopefully you guys bounce back. I think the flyers are still kind of perplexed as to what the hell happened in the Doya last season. They still like him a lot as a person and a player. But obviously, if he replicates last season again, he's going to kind of fall off the prospect. This is a huge year for him. He needs a bounce back here. Whatever happened to Zade wisdom, man. Remember that first run? We really, we got to be played in the AHL during the pandemic here. It was real good. And then it went away. DJ team. Yeah, I was, I was begging them to call him up. Yeah. And then he like hasn't scored a goal. Yeah. And he's been an ECHL. Yeah. I don't know what I think he's even in like a prospect. You never know. Yeah, anything can happen, but it's not looking good. No, I just wanted to bring him up because I was in love with him. And one of those misses, if we ever go back to those misses shows, that were also misses summer. Sergio, Sergio Pandalo asks, what a Fletcher doesn't trade for Risto? Who does he draft? I love, I love these sort of what ifs because we get and he throws in at the end. Let's pretend it's Wyatt Johnston. So we can hate him even more. I do not think they would have taken a while. The one thing I'll say why why Johnston didn't get taken for like, he was the 23rd overall pick. The fliers had the 14th. Technically, they 13th overall picks and there is at a forfeit at their pick. So they would have had to be, they would have been going off and going out on a limb if they would have taken Wyatt Johnson. No, they would have been a great pick, but it would have just, so who did? Where's Buffalo here? What? What the hell did they take in that draft? They took Isaac Rosen. Isaac Rosen seven games, no points minus three. I don't know. Is there? I don't know who they would have picked truthfully. I think they liked Cole Cylinger, but he was gone. He goes two picks ahead. He goes 12. So he's early. I wonder if they, especially with the connection, if they would have again, he wasn't available either. If they would have taken Bush's kid, he went 10. But obviously, you know, Bush's the area, the connection, Bush is a flyer, that whole thing. I wonder if that would have been, that would have been somebody they would have been interested in. Brendan Ottman, who the Rangers took, I remember in the lead up to that draft, I thought he felt like a flyer pick. He felt like a, like a Fletcher Flair type of pick. He kind of, is that, you know, grind it, like grind it out, you know, hardworking, kind of guy, kind of Fairby-ish. He's a guy who I think they might have intrigued them, but I truthfully don't know who they would have taken. Clearly, they weren't that excited about that class of a trade. I was going to say, I mean, just like looking at it, it's not a particularly latinist kind of draft. That's, we had a question yesterday that was kind of like, well, what if Fletcher gets fired earlier? Does Johnny Hockey maybe fit the timeline, this and that? Honestly, as much as I would like to think that might have been the case, and maybe they figure some stuff out, what's best would be, they just acknowledge that things aren't going as well as they are, and they do other stuff. And so like, they acknowledge they need to rebuild a year sooner, and like, instead of going out and getting Johnny, it's like, oh, you know, we don't need to do is extend wrist to line and some cost be damned. You know, we don't need to do bringing John Tour de Rela to evaluate everyone. And before he even gets his hands on Travis Sandheim, extend him to a long contract. Like, maybe it's that stuff we don't do, and we're just a little further along in the rebuild. And we have a little bit more, so I'm not sitting here complaining about where the hell is the high end talent going to come from, because they have one or two guys already. I think the Johnny Hockey thing, the world where he is a flyer is a world base, basically what it is, it's the world where the pandemic doesn't happen. And Vimeo continues to be a good coach, because in that world, you keep Drew. Yes. Yeah. Changa Terry hopefully never has the back surgeries, and you're still looking at a flyer's team going into that summer that is a playoff team. And then it becomes, okay, well, Drew signs an under market contract because he wants to stay in Philly, which I believe he would have done. I think he had very, he was interested in doing that. Changa Terry is still selfy Changa Terry because he doesn't have two back surgeries. And then you add Johnny Goudreau because you're a contending team, and you have the top for Asian wants to join you. But once the team falls apart, it doesn't make any sense to sign Johnny Goudreau. As much as I liked Johnny, and still like, yeah, I would have added him because it would be fun. Yes. Like for us, the part of him not fitting the timeline was true. The problem is like, well, then you don't do all the other stuff, right? Well, then why just Tony D'Angelo and Rasmus are still lying and Travis, why does these guys all fit? But the actually good player doesn't. Yeah. Like, yeah, that was just the part where, yeah, Chuck had no plan. Yeah, but he did not have it. It was this half in half outfit. Like, if you're going to rebuild, rebuild, yeah, if you're going to go for it, then go get Johnny. But you can't, you can't have both things at once. And they were trying to have their cake and eat it too. And they ended up pissing off everyone. Cake eater, cake eater. Kelly, what's did you watch Mighty Ducks with us? No, it was better than expected. Really? I had more fun watching it than I thought. Well, we'll put out a, what am I going to put out this thing? Maybe tonight. Should we just do? If goon is still on Netflix, we're going to do goon too, because that one's free and available. I still have not seen goon too. I've seen, I've obviously seen good. It's not as good. I never watched goon too. Have you seen goon too? Yeah. No, no, I don't think I need to. Well, you do for next week. You said you're boycotting until we do goon. That is part of the goon franchise. Now, you find the goon streaming for free and we'll watch it, Kelly. But I'm trying after making people pay for that horrible Amazon movie. We watch. I saw you. I paid $6 for that. I'll say, I mean, what can I have done with that $6 anything else? I actually agree, Kelly. I think we should watch if we're going to do goon, we should do the fine. We'll do original because it's actually a good move. Kelly, if you can commit to me being here next Tuesday, I'll do my best. Then we're going to do goon. Otherwise, we'll do something else. Okay. We'll figure it out this weekend. All right. And before we go any further, I got to tell you about man. It's this weather back and forth stuff. This is what really kills my allergies. It is absolutely the fall allergy season because they can begin as early as August and last well into November when this temperature is changing all this. This is what drives my allergies absolutely insane. We know the causes of the fall allergies, whether it's ragweed mold or plants like sagebrush tumbleweed or that as a VG called it this morning, the dreaded pigweed plus dust mites pet dander and fur. We love our pets, but yeah, they carry all that stuff too. It kills us. It's been killing me my whole life, but there are steps you can take to alleviate some of the symptoms of fall allergies starting with going to a sign up for Rite Aid rewards emails at Rite Aid dot com slash rewards to receive email, pollen alerts for your area. You can also go to your local, local Rite Aid, pick up a dehumidifier, dust mites and mold thrive in human environments and a dehumidifier helps take the moisture out of the air so that these allergens can't grow. This is just good advice no matter what your allergy situation is shower frequently, man. You should. And check pollen counts again, sign up for those alerts at Rite Aid dot com slash rewards. Keep your windows closed and use an air conditioner rather than letting all that allergy ridden air in and wear protective masks and gloves when gardening. If this isn't enough relief, check out Rite Aid's over-the-counter options like a note nasal rinse to flush out your nasal passages. And maybe if that's not quite enough, you need when pollen counts are high, check out Annie histamines and maybe even a note nasal corticose steroid all available at your local Rite Aid. Still not enough relief for you still have questions. Ask a Rite Aid pharmacist if a different type of allergy medication like a decongestant might be necessary. You can always ask your Rite Aid pharmacist for recommendations on ways to get relief during allergy season. You know what these allergies really need to do? And honestly, what this weather needs to do. What's that, Bill? Freakin' chill, man. All you gotta do is chill. Listen, between work, social media, our favorite sports teams, it's no wonder we're more worked up than ever. And cores like celebrates rising above and choosing a chill mindset. Why not turn a reindown barbecue into karaoke house party? After a tough loss, settle scores with an ice cold peace offering. Make the choice to choose chill, then reach for a course light. It's mountain cold refreshment. Listen, we're sitting here August 29th, talking about the past, president, future of our favorite hockey team. And they're firing us up. And that's why sometimes I just need to chill and there's no better way to chill than with an ice cold cores light. So whether you're freaking out about, I don't know, a prospect who decided not to play for your team anymore, injuries, how they're going to affect the team going forward, where they're going to get the high end talent, you need to find the blue mountains in your fridge and enjoy a beer as cold as the Rockies. Because when everything surrounding your favorite hockey team is on fire, sometimes you just got to chill. Make the most of the times you choose to chill, choose cores light, get cores light delivered straight to your door with Instacart, but go into cores light.com/phly. Hockey. Celebrate responsibly, cores brewing company, golden Colorado. All right, a couple more questions before we get out of here. Today, this one from Brian Phillips on Twitter. What if the flyers organization actually isn't the storied slash great franchise or location for players that they think it is? I like this question. I like it because this is something I've believed for a while. Who are these awesome free agents that the flyers have signed over? They've made some good trades. Absolutely. Danny Brier was a hell of a free agent pickup outside of him. Who are these guys? We have discussed this before many times over the years. They haven't really been trying to sign free agents for quite a long time for this period, but even going back to the Bobby Clark era. But who are the ones that like we're like, now I don't want to play for the flyers? That doesn't exist either. These guys go where the money is. We got a bunch of guys before because we could write giant checks for anybody that we wanted. It hasn't been that easy now. I do kind of think it's interesting because I do wonder, I think that players would want to come here not because they think it's like some great story to historical franchise, but it's a big market with a lot of fans that's probably fun to play in if you're a hockey player. It's not as crazy as Toronto, but you're still going to be a guy where people know who you are. I would imagine that a lot of players could have walked around in Arizona and nobody knew who they were. If you want to be a famous athlete, Philly is a good place to play. Mitchkoff seems to understand, if you come here and you're good, people are going to worship you. I think that that's probably a draw for a free agent. It does appear now with this current generation of players that lifestyle trumps everything. Yes. And like, I'd agree with that. The Florida teams, Nashville, like Southern California, these are places people want to play. Now, yeah, you get the guys who are like, Artemi Panarin and Adam Fox who are like, I want to be living my lifestyle, Rich as hell and Manhattan. We have people like that lifestyle, and I do think that Philadelphia offers some of that for players who kind of want that bigger spotlight. But like you said, it's not Montreal. It's not China. But I don't know if that's as important to guys as much as, yeah, man, I live on the beach. It's probably not. If you're a beach guy, and it's also probably not as important as money. If you are a free agent, Texas. The Texas, if one team can offer you $9 million a season and the flyers can only offer you eight because of whatever cap situation that they're in, you're probably going to go to the $9 million team. You only have so many years of your life to make this money. So like, yeah, but also like, the idea that players have not wanted to come here, I think is one that there's no evidence for, which is I think where this question stems from, like the idea that we're not getting free agents because they don't want to play here, I think is not a real thing. I think that's where he's going with it based on other conversations I've had recently with him on Twitter. Well, that's not real. But you made that up somewhat argumentative and pessimistic. Love love having he as a listener. I think that's where he's going with it. I do think there is something to it's not as attractive as the flyers, man. But I do think that's, you can say that a lot about a lot of big markets. How many times have we said like that like Tahoe game is hockey players dream? Yeah, of course, right. No fans, nice scenery, media not allowed in the locker room. Like that's so much of their dream. See, I disagree with that. I do agree that probably the lack of the media is something they want. But I think most players like to play in front of fans. I think they like the energy of the crowd that that is that it's much more fun for them to play in a packed arena where they can feed off the energy as opposed to like a round robin game in the world juniors where the place is like 10% full. I will say like Gary Betten for all his faults, his expansion of hockey, like in these secondary markets where you don't think that exists, you know, if the team's good, it does. And as we've seen even in these major markets like Philadelphia, the team stinks, it doesn't exist. And so it's all about like, okay, I want that. But yeah, I can get that with the Florida Panthers, which was a joke a couple of years ago. I can get that with Tampa Bay, which was a joke when they came into the league. I do think though that the the whole like storied franchise thing that definitely exists within Flyers fandom, I highly doubt that is a thing that exists with especially this generation of hockey players because we're talking about a thing that happened in the seven. No, like the Black Hawks are a storied franchise now. That's what these kids grew up watching. Yeah, there's also the element to where the idea of it being this storied franchise, great franchise, everything like that part, the reason why we hear about that so much, and this is again, this is a feature not a bug. This is what they want. Yeah, it's because the entire organization is filled with guys who played for the team. Right. So they have all this pride in the Flyers and they think that everyone else should feel as passionately about Flyerdom as they do. And well, I don't think that it's nonexistent. It's certainly not as prevalent as they wish it was. Yes, because they love it. They bleed orange. It's their whole friggin life is the Flyers. Like, and I'm not that that isn't me sharing on them. Like Bobby Clark, Bob Clark is a flyer. Like he, his entire identity is tied up in the fact that he is the flyer. Like Bernie Brown goes to games. Keith Jones, like basically said, this is the only job I would have taken that wasn't in, you know, wasn't in broadcasting was helping to reestablish the Flyers and bringing them back to prominence. Like these guys eat this shit up. This is their life. I don't think that is the general view of the hockey world. They, the hockey world does not view the Flyers as highly as the Flyers view them. You have to keep waiting to maintain that. And like, yeah, man, 70s, absolutely 80s. Did they win? No, but they were there the whole time time. And even in the 90s, they had the down period, but then Lindross comes, they go to a final and then through there, they're constantly relevant. But since the lockout, that hasn't been the case. They've been the two conference finals. And then the thing is that you can get it back. Like you can get it. I remember and this may be, you know, maybe isn't the best comparison, but I do think it's an interesting comparison. I when I was a kid, I was really into college football and I would follow all the teams, whatever. And I would always find it very weird. So this would have been like the 90s into the early part of the 2000s. I always found it very weird when you would like that Alabama was always like firing their coaches and being like, this is unacceptable. We're Alabama. And I remember telling my dad, like, like they've never been good. Like why do they have this inflated sense of ego? And my dad's like, well, you got to understand that like way before you were born, they were the shit. Like they ran college football. They are the story program. They, yeah, Joe name it. Like from the time that you started following college football through, like before they got Saban, they were nothing. They were a mediocre SEC team. So I, for my entire formative years, had the feeling that like Alabama was like, whatever, they're like one step above Northwestern, like no big deal. Whereas now they're back to being Alabama. Like now they are the blue chip, you know, the big program at college football. So you can get it back. But there's an entire generation that does not think of the flyers as anything special. Because for the last 15 years, they really haven't been. I want to do this very last mailbag question. Then we'll do the super chats and everything. This is one I covered yesterday, but I want to get your guys take on this one. It was a question from RJ Smiley. He said, what if Mishkov receives heart trophy votes this season? Now he doesn't need to win it. He doesn't need to be a finalist. But like, he's so good. He carries this team to a, you know, maybe a first round berth or something. Like, he's the guy right away. If Mishkov and my answer was, that means you have to act as if you have a quarterback on a rookie contract and you need to start now. Go. Yeah. That means go. You need to, because you have two more years of him making nothing before, because it also means like, it accelerates. There ain't going to be no bridge deal. No, no, no, no. He's going to get the eight times eight or eight times 10 or whatever it is, but in two years. Yeah. There's never going to be a better financial situation than right now while he's on his ELC. You have to go. Yeah, I would agree. And there's a world where he gets hard, hard votes. Like, if the flyers make the playoffs at his point per game, like not even top of the charts, but if he scores 84 points and the flyers make a Taylor Hall MVP consideration, he gets votes. He'll get some downbell votes if that were to happen. And I don't think, look, I'm not expecting that to happen. No, but I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility. I think it's not that he's point per game and the flyers make the playoffs, because Mishkov is just that freaking good. It could happen. So we've talked about this on the show before. And I mentioned that the timeline in my mind probably isn't as long as people think it is anymore because now you have Mishkov on an ELC and it would be malpractice not to try to take advantage of having him on an ELC. So I could see them even if he's not lights out this season, even if he's just like, you know, regular good and not heart trophy good. Next summer is probably going to be go, go, go, because you've got two years that you can spend money on other stuff before you've got to pay this kid all of the money that you have under the cap. So like, I personally think that this year is going to be figure some shit out some stuff out. And then next summer, like you're hitting the, like either in the draft or through trades, like you're hitting the gas because you've got to make the team better. I think you have to make the team as good as it can be while you have these two years of him making pretty much nothing. And it would be crazy not to. I don't think that's the way the flyers are looking at it. I'll tell you that. Well, I don't care what they think, but it all changes if the flyers make the playoffs next year because Mishkov is that free. What if they get real close? That's, I think they're looking at this as developmental year. But if he's further along than they think, I think that changes things. I would agree. Before we hit the super chats, I just want to thank all of our diehards out there couldn't do what we do without you. That's why we're doing things like this ticket giveaway. That's for diehards only. We appreciate you. And if you're not a diehard, sign up at all PHLY.com. Be eligible for things like this ticket giveaway. Get to read all of Charlie O'Connor's premium content. So many benefits. But thanks to our diehards who have already signed up. All right. Super chats. We have a couple of super chats today. One from our old friend Gary B. He says, Kelly, I love the Pearl Jam shirt. I still can't wait for the crazy stuff. Will and Sue when Charlie is away. All right. What crazy stuff's going to go away? What am I going to go to tomorrow tomorrow? I'm not going to be off tomorrow. Yeah. And then obviously we're not going to have a show on Labor Day when we get rid of you. Yeah. Well, I guess what I go on my trip to cover the team to start the year. There you go. Yeah, you are going on that West Coast trip. I'm going to the West Coast trip. Man, I'm going to miss you. All right. And our our second super chat of the day from I Just Skate 13. After your discussion on it a while back, I finally saw Clerks 3. How did you how did no one mention that Elias's blockchain buddy looks exactly like a young bill? Come on. Come on. I have not seen a movie. So is that an incident? I don't know about that. He's just like a goth guy. Yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't agree. Yeah, it doesn't look like Bill. It's just a hair. Everyone with long hair. Everyone says looks like each other. Yeah, come on. It's a little bit, but that doesn't look like though. My hair is considerably longer than that as well. All right. All right. So funny. Thank you, Brita for getting a picture of this guy. Yeah, that is fantastic production. Can I just wrap up saying like this show has improved immense and like we haven't gotten any better. We've been doing the same same show for almost 10 years. This show has improved immensely since Brenda became our producer. She's absolutely doing a killer job back there. But that is all the time we have for you on PHLY Flyers today. Thank you all for listening. Thank you for hanging out. And if you haven't already, you got to hit that subscribe button follows right here on YouTube. Never miss a live show. Hit that reminder bell. So you just know when we're going live. It's usually at 1 p.m. Follow us on Twitter at PHLY underscore flyers and follow us. Follow the podcast wherever you get those just search PHLY Flyers. All right. My name is Bill Matts. That's Charlie O'Connor. That's Kelly Hinkle. Until next time. Happy Labor Day, everybody. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] You [BLANK_AUDIO]
