(upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Hey everybody, how you doing? Well, that's good. Welcome to "PHL Life Flyers." My name is Bill Matts. I'm your director of fun and games on this beautiful Tuesday reviews day, joining me as always. It's Philadelphia's number one hockey beat reporter. It is Charlie O'Connor. What's going on today Chuck? - We're gonna talk about a movie that apparently you realize you like more than you and Kelly thought you did through the entirety of summer. Every time we brought up the mighty ducks you guys look like you just swallowed spoiled milk. And I'm like, why do you guys not like this movie? It's a perfectly fun mess. - It was honestly much better than I expected. It was more fun than I thought I was gonna have watching it. It's just like, listen, it's a 30 year old kids movie in which the hockey is somewhat absurd. But honestly, I had a great time watching it. Like, there's some good laughs. There's some absurd things outside of the actual hockey that we're gonna get into that were really funny as hell. It was a great time. We're also gonna talk about the actual Anaheim ducks. Yesterday, when we started talking about the different rebuilds and I brought up the sharks, it's like, oh, well, we're gonna talk about fake ducks. So let's talk about the real ducks. - Real ducks. - That makes sense to me. So we're gonna do that. - Okay. - A lot of things happening here at PHLY and all city as a whole, what was it? Yesterday we launched the Dallas site. - DLSS. - And immediately they signed CD-LAM. Like, you know, obviously fucked Dallas. But like, for our network and for them, like the people covering the team, that's pretty wild. That on day one, they had breaking news. - Well, see, that was the point. Was that everyone has been asking themselves in the football world. Why did Dallas have CD-LAM hold out the entire training camp only to give him the contract that he's always deserved? It's not like they got a bargain. And the answer is he was waiting for all city Dallas to launch. - Clearly. - And that happened. And this morning we announced it as official. John March, joining us here at PHLY. It is pretty sick. I worked with John at a previous stop. I was the remote producer for his afternoon show when we'd be at Chickies and a few other things. I was with him for a lot of stuff. It was always a ton of fun. John is a great guy. Very excited to be bringing him aboard his show. Debutes here at PHLY, September 3rd. 8 to 9 Monday to Friday, so that's great. All sorts of things happening here, including our ticket giveaway. We got a, I got a bunch of entries in the Discord DMs. Just as a reminder, we're going to pick our first winner. We have four pairs to give away this week to the Flyers Rangers rookie series game, the first one. Friday, September 13th at the PPL Center in Allentown, it is probably, you know, card subject to change is always, but as far as we can tell, it's gonna be that they Mitch Cough's first time in a Flyers uniform. Lots of people want to go. It's a hot ticket. We have a bunch of them. All you have to do to enter is DM me on the die hard discord. Pretty easy. We got a bunch of entries. We're going to pick our first winner today. If you have not entered yet, you still, there's going to be drawings throughout the rest of this week. So you have time to sign up to be a die hard to figure out how to get on the discord. I don't spend as much time in the discord as Charlie does. So I was kind of having to navigate. I was like, where the hell are my DM? I was like, I'm going to have to change them, but I found them. We have a bunch of entries. You can see this is not an empty bucket. There's a, it's like two dozen names or so. Are we doing it now? I'm going to just pull one now. All right, let's do that. We're going to give away our first pair of tickets to the rookie series game. We're going to mix them up. Are these actual names or are these discord names? Discord names. And if they gave me- Are there any very embarrassing names? Nothing too bad. Like if they gave me like, hey, this is Bob. And like their name was, you know, blah, blah, blah. Like, you know, Blumpman 69. Okay. The guy would put Bob. Okay. But we'll see. And we have our first winner. Our first winner. We have our first winner here coming out of the course light bucket for the first pair of tickets to the rookie series game. It is JPH on a discord gym hand. Okay. Is our first. Congratulations. Jim. Congratulations. And we will pick another winner tomorrow. I'll get back to you in the DMS and we'll set up the whole ticket exchange through ticket master, all that stuff. We'll figure it out. That's the other thing. You need a ticket master account. It's not hard. You know how to make an account online, right? Everyone does. And I assume most people, like, if you go to sporting events regularly, probably have a ticket master account, I got to believe, but just got to throw that out there because that's how I got to transfer the tickets to you. All right. On to the business of the day, Charlie, we've given away the tickets. We've made some announcements and now it is Tuesday reviews day. We're talking mighty ducks came out in 1992 and right away I had an issue with the movie and not an issue. Okay. This whole thing that ruined Gordon Bombay's career, it starts the movie off like it's the opening credits and they're okay and he's hauled down from behind. It's going to be a penalty shot. It's an overtime, which means the game is tied. Well, I thought it's not an overtime yet. Isn't it the end of the game? It's like the very, very end because that's what's the conway one, but it's supposed to mirror. I believe that it's at the end of regulation. The article says in overtime, the one Hans has up on his face that they lost an overtime. The article says they lose an overtime. Then if it went to overtime, whatever the case might be, the game at least gets to overtime after he misses the game, it's either in overtime or it gets to overtime. This moment that ruined this kid's career, who had 198 goals in like the fourth grade, I guess, Gretzky S, 198 goals, he didn't go out and just score on his next shift. Like, what, how did they lose this game? He was completely thrown mentally because the evil coach put the pressure on him and basically said that your dad won't like your, your dead father will be ashamed of you if you don't score. Of course he didn't score on his next few shifts. He was a mental wreck. That's fair. I don't know. I feel like that's my explanation. You should get through that. It's just like the ducks win every single year, no matter what the Hawks, the Hawks win every single year, no matter what. They have the whole line of all the banners on the wall for some reason they have a second place one. It's like, I feel like everyone plays at this arena. We can just, you know, just have the other teams winning banner out there, not there. But they couldn't just win the, it's not as if he, it's not as if they're losing. And that blew it to force over time. Correct. They had other opportunities. I feel like this shouldn't have ruined his, this kid was going to be Gretzky. Yeah. My view is, my view is this number one awful coaching job by Mr. Jack Riley. He got a, you can't let your best player go into a funk, going into overtime, pump him up, get back to the bench. It's not, if you don't score, you're not just letting me down, you're letting your whole team down to suddenly your best player, the star of the league, isn't himself for the most pivotal point of the season. So that's number one, terrible coaching job number two. And this is kind of what you're getting at. I would hope that the entire team was not Gordon Bombay, maybe Gordon Bombay, you know, he's out of it for a few shifts because he missed the shot fair. This is when the rest of the team has to pick up the slack here. You know, was there any supporting cast whatsoever? Was this Claude Drew with Andrew McDonald and Dr. Harry football around like somebody's got a score goal? I will say with 198 goals, I realize it's Minnesota, like so maybe they're Pee Wee hockey is a little more advanced than like the one I grew up with. Presumably, but like how many games could they have possibly played? He might have been the whole team. That's true. He might have been the only person who scored goals. That's fair. Like I would, I think our seasons were like 20 games back then 200, he scored 10 goals a game. Yeah. Yeah. That would be. So maybe he was the only guy on the team. And the rest of the team just padded because suddenly Gordon Bombay is tired, he's not carrying them anymore. What do we do? Like, what was the shooting percentage? Yeah, I had to have been at least over 30. Yeah. Like he was a volume shooter. He was only tippet. I will say I love and it's the 70s. So things were probably different. I do love that this kid who maybe he's 10 years old in the beginning of this movie. He doesn't have a face mask. I think that's awesome. That's so bad. So what one thing that I just finished reading a book because I know I knew I will say past tense. I knew nothing about cryptocurrency. Like I just my thought process like this is dumb and it's a scam and that's all I need to know about. I decided this summer I want to learn like I want to learn about this because it's clearly becoming a thing. I do not have any interest in investing in cryptocurrency. I just want to learn about it. And one thing I learned is that apparently the the actor, the kid actor who plays Gordon Bombay not on board, not immediately arrested as but the kid actor like is a big time crypto dude. He started like one of the stable currencies in cryptocurrency. That's what he did. He grew up into. He became a crypto bro. Young Gordon Bombay, skating around, missing the shot, then becomes a crypto bro. What's worse? His actual future is fictional future in which he becomes an alcoholic lawyer. Which one of those two things would you rather be? Oh my God. I got it. Yeah. Like the whole thing in the beginning with Jack Riley, that coach is a bad coach. I got it. Yeah. I mean, I saw he's back. Probably a good tactical coach, but in terms of treatment of his players, Tara, I saw a clip. Honestly, it was like last night as I'm like going to bed and I saw this on Twitter. It was a Sydney Crosby clip. And it's like showing how great of a captain he was. And it was just very funny. I saw it last night and it's like a Vulcan misses a wide open net like has this great eye like easy tapping opportunity. Just fucks it up. And I think it's a little tang down with the bench is like, you know, wide open net. Crosby's like, you think he doesn't know. Everyone just like give him a tap. Like he'll get another one. He's great. He'll get an opportunity. Like just like picks him up. I was like, see, that's how you do it. Not Jack Riley being a asshole to a 10 year old. Oh, yeah. You're dead dad. He's going to be pissed. If you don't score this goal, it's not worth winning. If you can't win big goal, I just, I was like, see, this is like, he has the goal to tell Gordon Bombay. He was a never was. You're a fucking life long pee week coach. You're really good. Listen, that's extremely good point. The people who dedicate their lives to coaching kids and like it's when you don't have a kid on the team, listen, it's hard. I wasn't easy to deal with in elementary school, middle school, high school, current day. You never became lucky to deal with it. I get it's a hard job and like, I don't want to discount the sacrifices these people make. But if you're telling somebody there and never was when you're a lifelong pee week coach, he's a fucking 30. Oh, lawyer. Here's an undefeated defense in turn 30 and one 30 and 31 doesn't get score at the court. Right. Exactly. But here's the thing. If Jack Riley is this legendary pee week coach who has won, you know, 15 straight titles, only one year they didn't win because the kid, you know, hit the post on a, on a shot. Like you're telling me that this guy has never gotten offers to coach a college team has never gotten offers to coach a major junior hockey team. Here's my theory. My theory is that he, he is a good enough coach to get those offers, but there must be something in his past that is preventing teams from offering him like there's something real ugly and Jack Riley's past is preventing him from ever leaving pee week hockey because otherwise you would think that like, I mean, crap, like the NHL still is hiring like Peters who was a racist, like, like, openly racist. Yeah. Like how bad of a dude was Jack Riley to never get a job and offer coaching like some more in like the OHL? That's a great point for him to be great friends with the, there was a banks is dead. Who's friends with the, like, law firm guy, banks is Daddy's friends with a law firm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's, he's got some weird shady connections. He's definitely, I think that's a decent theory. Maybe, maybe he's tied up with the Minnesota mob and that's why he never got the offers. It would be like looking at the kids as you mentioned, the in, in the money ducks universe. There might be a Minnesota mafia because as you note in the outline, Gordon Bombay, when he's talking to Duckworth, when he's fighting the case, he claims that he's working on a Rico thing. He's working on some Rico statue. So it is very possible that in the money ducks world, there is a prevalent Minnesota mafia contingent. That's the, I would really like to know like, I would like to see a movie about his law career. Yeah. Honestly, because he's just sitting there like, Oh, yeah. What are you doing here, Gordon? Oh, you know, working on a case, some Rico statute stuff. Who are you defending? Like you are defending the mafia, Rico tends to be what they get my people for. Yes. I am creating this world in my head now where in the mighty ducks movies, they're in that in the world, in the, the world of the mighty ducks. The reason why Jack Riley never got to leave P way hockey coaching is because he has mafia ties and everyone in the hockey world, because it's a very insular community. They all knew great coach, but like he's in bed with the, uh, you know, with like the Nikki Scarfoe of Minnesota. It would explain why the Hawks are so well funded. It would. They all have the gear. Get to that, because that is a subplot in this movie I do want to talk about the, the, uh, the, the seriously economic plot of the mighty ducks. The entire movie is a statement about income inequality on like just starting with Gordon Bombay in the beginning. Like so it goes to present day and they show him in the courtroom. And then afterwards, I guess celebrating whatever he's doing, he's driving around drinking, not drunk, dry. Yeah. Not like I was at a bar. And then I jot top of the car. He's drinking in the car beer bottle, which is, I mean, you can't even say it was a red bull. It's not a solo cup there could be anything in there. It's like a green height again, but he's just driving around and he's like getting pulled over. Oh shit. That's not good. His, he's hammered and they go to the, they go to court, he's defending himself. And the judge just goes 12 moving violations in three years. How do you have a license? You're the judge. How does he have a license? Yeah. That's a question for you, buddy. The whole fan. It's like, well, what's his, what's it? Obviously he's going to lose his life. He's got to do some time. He's driving. Wow. Drink it. Yeah. You're going to go coach a hockey team. Yeah. That's it. That's his, this powerful lawyer at this big firm. That's it. I do want to make a point though about that because I've thought about this in, I think about the Mighty Ducks who is probably more than I should. I haven't, I hadn't watched this movie in probably about seven, eight, nine, ten years. But I do think about them. It's like, it's a nice topic of conversation you have with your old friends talking about the, uh, all the flaws of rookie of the year, you know, and, and the Mighty Ducks. Here's a question. One thing that does date this movie, but not necessarily in a bad way, but just in the sense of like, there's no way that this would have been allowed. Like, if they make the Mighty Ducks for the first time in the early 2010s, there is no way they kick off the movie with the main character slash hero getting arrested for drunk driving. There is zero chance that Disney ever approves that. He's a sleazy defense attorney. He's bragging about hooking up with the court court order. Yeah. And then he gets caught drunk driving. Yes. And that is the mythology, like that's the backstory of this character. There's no way that Disney would ever have been cool with that 20 years later. It's a Disney. Yeah. I mean, Disney does have like, I guess they could have, they did do the Disney thing, killed off his dad. Right. That's a, that's a Disney trope. We have to kill your parents in order for you to have a tragic story because then it's like, well, you're not responsible for anything. Yeah. Kill your parents died. Uh, but yeah, I think the whole movie probably is a statement about capitalism. Like, yeah, man, these rich people get away with everything. I think it is me while Charlie, if mac and cheese, if we're going, if we're going deep into this, it is a combination story about income inequality and also about childhood trauma because talking about a guy who, okay, he loses his father at a very young age. It's a very traumatic event. Then he, his new father figure who replaces his father in his head turns out to be an abuse, an emotionally abusive asshole. And then what happens? What happens? The thing he loves, he becomes a lawyer and he's an alcoholic. Okay. This is clearly the impact of childhood trauma on, on adult unresolved childhood trauma. And the entire movie is Gordon Bombay getting past his unresolved childhood trauma. I almost last. There's a lot of serious themes in this movie. I almost last night went right into D two and I was like, you know what? I think I, I think I'm, I've had enough because I like, he's, he, we'll get to the end, but like, and now he's in the age, but like, that's, that's, that's. That was the one thing that struck me like talking about it being dated when, uh, he's back at his office. He like comes back right from court, uh, in the beginning, Gordon Bombay. And someone's like, oh yeah, they dropped off, uh, north stars tickets for tonight. He's like hockey. He's like, the north stars still existed. And it was when the movie was released, their final season in Minnesota, movie comes out in October of 92, their final season in, uh, Minnesota before going to Dallas is 92, 93. And it's just like, oh wow, right. There was it. I always forget that the north stars existed. Well, then the fact that not only are the north stars, Minnesota, they're playing the Hartford Whaler. So if you haven't seen the movie, and I would hope most people at this point, I have to believe they Gordon Bombay takes the team to, it's like near the end of the movie, takes the team to a north stars gang, because obviously the movie is set in Minnesota and they show the, the Jumbo Tron. And it just says heart. And for, I was like, heart the hell's heart. I'm like, Oh my God, it's the Whalers. That is, I didn't even notice that. That's outstanding to defunct teams and like one of probably the most watched hockey movie ever, like especially for people all right, everyone's seen the ducks. I have probably, and this may be an understatement, I have probably watched the Mighty Ducks about 10 to 15 times. I watched the Mighty Ducks way more than I ever watched Slap Shop. Like as a kid, I watched D one and D two nonstop. Yeah. Yeah. I want, one of my, because I, I'm an only child. So one of my cousins was basically my age. And we kind of became really good friends because I didn't have a brother, I'd have a sister and like he would, he lived in the suburbs, I lived in the city. So like we would trade off, you know, like sleepovers and almost always the sleepover would when we're going to sleep, we put them one of the one, one of the two Mighty Ducks movies on we're pretending D three never actually does not. Not recognized. You're not recognized. I see three. Refuse. Because of Dave Axle is the head coach. I mean, multiple reasons. But yes, it's not good. Yeah. I mean, like it's the movie. It's about Emilio. And Emilio is not in it. Barely in the movie. He did you ever watch the series that Disney plus put out a couple of years ago? I did not. I watched like episode one. Apparently season one has all the callbacks Emilio is in it. There's a bunch of cameos from all season two. No one. No one. It's completely. After season two. Okay. Yeah. The I think maybe one of my favorite lines is he gets pulled over by the cop. And he's like, Oh, yeah, maybe I was going to whittle fast or it was a little noise. It was a whittle. No, it turns down. It turns down the turns down the radio. He goes, okay, pal, breath, blood or urine. And Emilio goes, no, thanks. I'm full. He brings him in and I was like, this is tremendous. That's a great joke. I don't care what the rating in the movie is. That's a really good joke. Yeah. Yeah. And then we get to, there's I, the one thing is I mean, I still have very positive feelings for this movie. I was surprised at how many times I left watching this again that like, because yeah, there's some stuff where when you're a kid, you think it's funny. And then when you're older, it's like, yeah, that's stupid. But there are some lines that are just are legitimately very funny, like the part where when he's, when he's in the, when he's in the limo and he's getting taken to the first practice and just with all sincerity, we're just like, community service, this is horrible. It's so good because like, it's just, it's so, it's so obvious they're trying to make him out to be this total asshole and they just lean so far into it with a script. You can't not laugh. It's just funny. That's the, so, and I get like, you know, he's rich so you can just, but his punishment is a limousine and a new hobby. Like that's what he gets from, he's an extremely privileged punishment. He gets DUI and 12 movie violations in three years. You got to believe more than one of them is substance related, presumably he gets a new hobby. Freshly so unlike, yeah, and a limousine driver. That's what I would get. The, the fact that the limo driver Gordon's just like, yeah, take the, take it out on the ice. He's just like what? Okay. Immediately is fine with it. Also there, that was one of those, like there definitely are moments in movies where when you watch movies, a kid, you're like, Oh yeah, like that person was totally right. And then you watch it as an adult and you say, man, why did I think that person was right? The part where Conway's mom is like, you took our kid, my kid out on a lake. A frozen lake in a limo, you moron, and he's like, Oh, I've been out on the ice my whole life. I know. Well, how do you know? Well, I just know. And she's like, yeah, that's not freaking good enough. Like she's a hundred percent in the right there. Absolutely. I had played plenty of pond, huh? And listen, is New Jersey, Minnesota, no, but we've been wrong before. We've gotten out of the ice and been like, guys, bad idea, we did not be doing this right now. Like I've seen someone go through the ice. It can happen when you think it's okay. I just thought it was. I got news where your limos are pretty heavy, especially when they have a whole hockey team in the limo. There's like 12 kids to drive for Gordon in there. The mom was absolutely in the right, but I just failed. It's so funny that the driver was initially like, yeah, okay, that makes sense. Why not? I got nothing. I got a lot of good stuff in this and after, you know, his initial meeting with the team, then their first game where they get blown out by the Hawks, my thought of the game against the Hawks, the first game, district five. Were those kids also ordered to play hot? Like, are these guys an aisle delinquents because apparently hockey is how we just solved everything in Minnesota? Well, yeah, that is accurate. This is Minnesota. We're talking about it. It is the state of hockey. But like, were these kids juvenile delinquents ordered to participate in youth sports to fix their life? Because none of them seem like they wanted to be there in that game. Like, well, we can't say they were trying. Well, so here is the only piece of hard evidence that proves you wrong is you have Jesse and what Tommy is the other, the brother of the halls. Yeah. And I basically said, and I'm, and I'm giving up my overtime for this, Terry Hall, Terry Hall. I knew a server with a T. So Jesse and Terry and his dad basically says angrily to coach Bombay, I'm giving him my overtime pay for this. So clearly at the very least, the parents wanted them to play. Yes. Perhaps the kids got pushed into it by their parents, but the parents at the very least wanted the kids to get some athletic activities going on. He eventually sees Hans and Hans is one of the heroes of the franchise, right, goes to a sports shop. The exterior shot of Hans, a sports shop, an epic building is a palace epic. That place is freaking beautiful. It's like a castle of hockey equipment. Yeah. And all of the scenes in the, in Hans, a sports shop, I'm like, kind of getting an itch. Okay. I'm going to lace them back. I kind of want to play. Yeah. I just, like when Gordon's lacing up the old black Eastons, I was like, Oh, where are my skates? It was just something about it, like made me feel like playing. I do think, and you know, I'm not in no way, share reform saying this is like a great movie. It's not. It's a kids movie. It's a way, in my opinion, it's a well executed kids movie, but it's a kids movie. But the thing I do think that this, this movie does very well. And I think an entire generation of people around my age can speak to this. It really does a good job of getting you excited about the idea of hockey. They do a good job presenting both the like crazy zany fun things. Like, I know this is indeed too, but like every single kid tried the knuckle puck. Yes. Every single kid that played hockey at least once tried the knuckle puck. It was a thing that you like, you're like, I want to try that. I want to see if I can make the puck go up and down. And of course you can't know, but we all tried it. It's not real. We everybody in practice, at least ones joked around doing the flying V. Like we all, we all did these stupid things. That part of it makes it fun for kids that are between the ages of like five and nine. And then they do a good job, especially with the Bombay part of playing into the mystique of hockey. Absolutely. Just that, that, that poetic, the artistic side of like, man, the ice, you know, and just like skating around, you Gordon out there skating here by himself, like the breath in the air. It's cool. Yeah. And it plays into that idea of like, you know, this hockey thing. It's pretty neat. I want to try that. It is. 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Try for yourself the shades rated 5 stars by over 300,000 people. Charlie, how old is Fulton? It's a good question. They hint that he might have been held back in the sixth grade, but they are all supposed to be like 10? Well, if you're talking about getting held back in the sixth grade, I'm guessing what I'm guessing is that there is there's an age range to be available to be eligible to play in Minnesota, Pee Wee hockey. This seems to be about fourth to sixth grade. That would be my guess. Fourth to sixth grade, that would be logical because then once you get seventh grade, you're getting into junior high. And that fits with the fact that in a couple of movies, they are. Yeah. And then like it's not was three that they're freshmen. Yeah. So you get through the JV and the varsity. Yeah. So I would guess, I think you're probably right. I think about fourth to sixth grade, which what would that be from an age standpoint? Is that like, like nine to 12, nine to 11, something like that? Yes. I'm like that nine to 11, nine to 12, depending upon that. I think Fulton is definitely older. He certainly appears to be older. One thing that's very funny though about Fulton Reed, I watched, I don't know if you ever watched this show, there's a, they did a, it ended a while. I think they're bringing it back. They did a TV show in the Marvel universe for Daredevil. Okay. And there's three main characters. One is obviously Daredevil. The other one is like the love interest of Daredevil. And the third is because it's Daredevil and his partner are attorneys. Yeah. And the partner is the actor who played Fulton Reed. I think Rosario Dawson was in that show. Um, yes, I believe she is. Yes. I think I watched that and it was like episode three where I was like, wait, is that fucking Fulton Reed, the funny part is that the actor, like the actor didn't grow up to be big and tough looking. Yeah. He grew up to like kind of be like, like just like, like a, you know, kind of wimpy look in though, which is, which is weird because it's Fulton Reed and like, I remember Fulton Reed is being like him and the bash bro. Yeah. Paul 12 year old. Yeah. Like he just stopped growing. Yeah. He's just bigger than all these kids when he's 12 years old, but I was like, is this, if we're talking about Adam Banks's eligibility, I can't believe Jack Riley didn't come back to be like, I need to see this kid's birth certificate because he's about 16 years old. Well, so now I want to get a little bit into the hockey of the movie because obviously there is unlike the last movie was there is actually a lot of hockey in this movie. One thing that in retrospect, I do very much like about this movie in comparison to other kids, underdog story, kids, team gets better, wins the championship. That's always how these things play out. One thing I like about this one in comparison, the other ones is this. It's not just that, Oh, this coach came and taught them some new plays and then they came together and learned the game. And that's how they want. Yes. If you want to believe that is what happened, you can, but objectively speaking, how this team got good was they get the best player in the league. They go out and they get a big, tough old PowerPoint quarterback with a bomb of a slap shot and then they go out and they get two plus skaters. That is not like it's an underdog story, sure. And I'm not denying that the other players and team did dramatically improve to the point where they are at least passable, but this is not a story of rapid development. This is a story of great signings and acquisitions turning a shit team into a really good one. Now I think that is a very accurate way to describe an underdog story is like, yeah, you know what? If you look at it, if you really break down the roster, were they really underdogs after they got Adam Banks, Fulton Reed and two figures, like they basically just added Jeff Skinner and Jeff Skinner, sister when it's Tammy Duncan is doing the spins next to the net. I need to know where all the Hawks Hawks hockey IQ is to just walk into and draw a slash. Like what are we doing? That's a good point. Like what? Really good point. Like, come on. Yeah. Jack. Jack Riley. What are you doing? Yeah. Where's the coaching? Yeah. But seriously, it's like this is a team that added that basically at it Connor McDavid, Evan Bouchard, Jeff Skinner, and then like hit the Tammy's brother isn't that good, but sure he can at least skate. It's a better skater than basically everyone who's already on the team. Averman did not get any better in this move. No. That's not something that happened. Yeah. He's just. He's just the comic release. Yeah. Like Conway gets better. Geez, your main by D two is like legitimately good. You can see the town because he's the sees the one sea of the team. You can see that he's got some upside Conway's got some upside. Averman just stinks. No, he's comic really. Goldberg is never good. No, he gets supplanted when they get the high school. Yeah. Well, understandably, Julie, the cat gaffney is an actual good goal and she stinks. Another thing I love about this movie because the timing excellent. The fact that Goldberg is the goalie and is a fliers fan leading into the era where the fliers goalies were the main problem with the fliers exquisite, perfect timing. I like obviously everyone always remembers he's, you know, coach and moving back to Philadelphia. Right. He's got the fliers up the entire move. He's got the fliers stuff at the end. He's wearing Eagle stuff. Something I'd never noticed when they're in Hans's sport shop and I haven't seen this movie in years. Maybe I meant, I noticed it years ago and just forgot. But he's trying on his goalie equipment and he's got a Pat Steak sweatshirt on. Does he? I miss that. I miss that. Oh my God. I was trying to look through like the IMDB, like all that stuff to see. There's any sort of Philadelphia connection because it was like, all right. Yeah. Like fliers, hex stall reference. Like there's a couple like hockey stuff because like, I don't know, I feel like Pat Steaks. That would be like someone doing something on purpose. I would have to dig into this, but there has to be like either the screenwriter or the director. Yeah. Must have been for Philly because they were just too intent on getting Philly references in there. There was, there was clearly an intention and it wasn't just like, oh, we have to make it from somewhere else. That is a like the character Goldberg would still be fine if he wasn't a fliers fan. One in the making of this movie won it, won it Philly and fliers in this movie. And like, there's more Philadelphia references than there are Minnesota, like there had to be some sort of connection there. You're not wrong. Maybe if someone knows, they can let us know on Twitter. So I'm going to get to our, to our thing, the thing we fill out, favorite character and all that. I'm going to start with my favorite character and I just have to go with the one who was my, uh, my favorite character as a kid. Okay. That little jerk off. Peter. Peter Mark is my, is absolutely my favorite character. He's got the leather jacket on. He's got the leather jacket. He's just like a, he's a dick. He's like, he's a criminal. He's like, he's like four foot six. Yeah. He is just a little criminal. Like I'm going to guess the reason he's not indeed to is because he is in June. Well, no, what it is is that he is, he's getting recruited into the Minnesota mafia that is in the mighty duck cinematic universe that overlays all of this in 10 years, he is getting prosecuted by, uh, by Gordon Bombay for Rico. Who was your favorite character? Um, I, I'm going to go with, uh, actually, you know what? I think now it's, it's fault and read as a kid. Like it was obviously Charlie Conway. I mean, my name is Charlie. Oh, yeah. It was obvious. Charlie Conway. Of course it was. Yeah. I can't lie. Were you at number 96? Was it, were you rocking the 96? No, but my number was nine. Ah, okay. I was always number nine. No, like the end of the movie, everybody's chanting Charlie. Yeah. You can't like, I, I ate that shit up as I, when I was eight years old, I love the, it's just the funniest shit. It's like, uh, we think Ghee should take it. It's like, well, I'm banging his mom. So I'm going to pick him. My favorite part is Friday. This is when he's like, what about Charlie? What about Charlie? What about Charlie? Oh, you suck too. You have, you absolutely, you're not the one stand on. You made free saves this whole move. Exactly. Like if, if one of the good players, if fold reads like, I don't know, it might not be the best move, although he'd already gotten thrown out of the game. He's been thrown out. He wasn't even there, but Goldberg, you cannot be shit talking Conway. You're not good. It was. I would say it was good. Like, okay. So Adam Banks got hurt. Fulton got kicked out. Like, oh, all right. I guess we have to go with someone who sucks, might as well be Charlie, might as well be spazzled. All the players are gone. Might as well be spazzled. Another point I want to make about about Adam Banks. I'm going to get to take a little shot of flyers fans here. Adam Banks absolutely would be hated by flyers fans because he softens his injury prep. Gets hurt in both movies. Both times. Doesn't play physical. Yeah. He's not a flyer. Just, just not, not a flyer is kind of player. Not a Philadelphia guy. No. Yeah. I hate it. I loved what he's yelling. I'm open in front of the net. You're not. You're clearly covered. The great players are always open. Yeah. They're always open. Just get in the play. He made the play. Just get in the park. What's the, what's next on our bracket? It's the favorite seat. My favorite scene, it's a short one, but I just absolutely love it because it was always my dream to roller skate in the mall as a kid. Yeah. I always wanted to do that and it just turns out like that's not a thing you're allowed to do. No. They do knock over a lady. Yeah. And it's like, oh, yeah, that's why you're not allowed to do that, right? No, it's wildly dangerous. You shouldn't be allowed to do it, but that was my favorite scene. What is Charlie O'Connor's figure? That's a good question. And again, like I have to kind of separate this from like when I was a kid versus now, when I was a kid, it was probably like the entire championship game. Like that was probably right now, I think my favorite scene is when he has the kids chanting, take the fall actor and get into it. That's good stuff. That is amazing shit. I love that he's trying to teach them to die to die because it's so like the parents are offended by Charlie refuses to do it. It seemed like everyone was on board and practice though. That's the thing. Yeah. I guess once they got into the game, they're like, Oh, this they're moral sensibilities. Yeah. You know what? They are hockey players, but they were above the diving. That makes them hot. But come on. Like I don't know if you do this. I still when I see when I see someone in an NHL game, take an obvious dive. I think in my head, take the fall actor or get into 100%. That was our introduction to diving and probably is like, Oh, is this something people do? Yeah. Yeah. Like when like Brad Marsha. Brad Marsha screaming at the referee, like, why did you call that? All I can think of is he's in dignity. Just so in dignity. I will say though, when Charlie is pinned against the boards and the butt end of the stick that's a pedal side, his helmet. That's a pedal. Like he didn't need to do any act. That's high stick. No, no, the official, the officiating this movie is going to be universally awful. The championship game, again, it's the nineties. It's Minnesota. So maybe my experience is different. You're not allowed to hit at that age and they are just going to town. That is a physical championship game and even even the two playoff games, we'll even mention it. Oh, this is a real physical game. You're like 10. Well, we clearly didn't care about concussions because carp takes a shot to the helmet. I want it. Carp pulls a laparriere and like, once again, this is not how you block shots. No, it's not. You do not drop to your knees in front of the shooter. He's going to hit you in the head. Luckily, he's wearing a full helmet, but also it was another line in that scene that made me laugh out loud that I forgot about was when he's like, how many figures? He wouldn't know that. He wouldn't know that. Anyway. That was good. What is your favorite line in the movie? My favorite line in the movie, oh, that's a good one. You know, like again, like it's like, I think my favorite line as a kid was when, was when Conway is talking to, to Bombay and they're in the, they're in the, the diner and he's like, you know, we'll half an, you know, quarter of an inch one way and I would have one and he's like, well, quarter it's the other way you would have missed completely. Like, I think that was my favorite as a kid. My favorite on the rewatch though was when, when Bombay's blowing up at them and he's like, do you guys enjoy losing? He's like, well, I'm not a first or once you get the hang of it is good. I think that's my favorite line now. That's really the line that probably sets up Averman for his run in the franchise. Like, Oh, okay. You're the one with the timing. Yeah. Good. Good for you. You know what? You get to play. You even get to go to what was the school? It's not Seton Hall, but something like that. It's something Hall. Yeah. Well, that's, that is something I do want to talk about before we get to the next one because you mentioned about like the socioeconomic element. The one thing about Minnesota, like, there is a suburb of like the, the twin cities call it a diner. And that is very clearly the Hawks. A diner is the Hawks, like everyone in Minnesota because like, even before the movie, they would call people for me, Dina, cake eaters, like, that's where it's all. From. And that is where all like, if you look at a lot of the and on shockingly enough, if you look at most of the NHL players who are from Minnesota, a lot of them are from a diner because it's where the wealthy people are from. This is probably where I got news for you hockey and a cheap sport. No, it is this extremely expensive sport. I will say that was one thing that I was little as it's hard for me to believe the state of hockey doesn't have some sort of secondhand equipment program, like some way for these clearly poor kids to not be wearing like a football helmet on the car for the football helmet. It's very funny. It's so good. It's so good that he's playing hockey in a football. And not even a new football helmet. It's like the one bar football helmet that used to use it like a sticker helmet. Like the 60s. Yeah. My favorite line is it's probably the no thanks on full success. That is a good one. That's a good talking shit to a cop hammer drunk is the first five minutes of Disney movie. It's going to be great. Yeah. All right. And finally worst character. I think this is a runaway runaway worst character. Adam Banks's dad shows up to the championship game where his kid is on the other team wearing a Hawks jacket that was what the shit do 100% where I'm just going to go. He's still there in the Hawks. Jack. Yeah. What a jerk. Like, come on. I get maybe you don't want to buy a ducks Jack. They probably don't even have them at that point. Just wearing like a brown jacket. Just yeah. There's it's Minnesota. You have to have multiple jackets. You're kids on the other team and you're wearing the other team's jersey. It's snowing the entire movie. You have to have more than one jacket. Where that is? He's still wearing hawks. Dude. Clearly rich. What the hell? Maybe he's part of the mafia that funds the hawks. You might have a point. That's the only possible explanation. 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Just go to all PHly.com/events and check out that events calendar because we always have stuff coming up, man. We're trying to make this a lot of fun for everybody. Yeah. These get togethers are kind of the root of that. Listen, the shows are fun and everything and we take your super chats. It's great. But you get to meet us. You get to hang out with us. You get to watch a game with us, have the experience and win some stuff sounds like a whole lot of fun to me. Go to all PHly.com/events to register to RSVP and to be eligible for the giveaways. The one thing I wanted to talk about, Charlie, before we move on, um, to some actual ducks talk. And of course it's like, yeah, 150, but, uh, why wouldn't it be? It was the mighty duck. I knew I, I knew I was going to have a lot of rent. I was very excited that you were excited about that. Yeah. Um, the characters who are in D one, but not the rest. But don't make details. So Hans comes back for three. Right. It's like his brothers. Yeah. Yeah. And his brother was running the shop or something, but Terry Hall, like one of the brothers, Jesse continues. Jesse continues. Terry. Did you know Terry Hall is you see small it? I did not. I just saw that. No freaking away. I was just looking up. Oh my God. I know I did. Wikipedia has, you know, it's like band members who've been like the band the amount of time and they have that for the movies, like the franchise. Yeah. And it was like him. And I was like, wait, I know that name. Less and less in here. It's like a famous. It should have kept playing hockey. Famous guy. Should have kept playing hockey. Um, Tommy and Tammy Duncan, Dave carp and Peter, Peter Mark, who I don't know if they ever actually established his last name. No, no, I think we, we have reasonable, like the only one that doesn't make sense to me is, is Terry because his brother, he's playing. It's not like Terry was obviously terrible. He could have kept playing. Maybe he just decides. I don't really like hockey that much. Jesse does. Jesse keeps playing. Works for me. Tammy was pretty clear that like Tammy's ultimately going to win out and they're going to go back to figure skating. They were, they were one year rangers. That's fine. They got, got some use out of them. Kids had to have some fun. Cool. But I don't think either of them were looking like hockey lifers. Tammy wants to be a figure skater. Tommy is like four foot nothing. Like come on. There, there isn't that much upside there. Sorry, dude. Dave car, really being a sizes. Yeah. Dave carp just sticks. He was not. He's real bad. He's probably the worst player. He probably had to retire because of that concussion suffered. Yeah. That might be a one and done sort of could be. Could be. Yeah. Maybe his parents actually took this stuff seriously. They are the, the bread, the Brett Lindross parents were like, you know what, no kid. Maybe you might be bad at hockey, but you might have a future. You could be a doctor. If you stop playing the sport that gives you brain trauma. So carp understandable, he's not very good. Peter, as we know it, he joins the mafia. So he's got a different career path. There you go. That's your explanations. She's a little thing when the ducks have to forfeit the game because only Fulton and Charlie come out. The whole rest of the team quits because they heard, like they misheard what Gordon was saying. They didn't understand sarcasm. Yeah, didn't understand sarcasm. And then they did. They are in the movie. All right. All right. But they come out for warmups and toss their helmet to the corner and start skating. That is a fucking hard move. Yeah. Like that is a bad ass move to just be like, we're not warming up. My helmet on that. Like, I love the players that warm up without their helmets on in the NHL and there's only a few of them. I do as much as I don't like D three. I don't. I am not a fan. I do like the symmetry and D three of how when Charlie quits the team, Fulton quits with them. Yeah. I like the D one D three symmetry there where in D one, they're the only two guys that'll go to bat for Bombay when everybody else decides that he's an asshole, which like honestly in the first half of the movie, he is objectively an asshole. So sure, that was just karma for all the shitty things he did. The first 40 minutes of the movie, but I do like the symmetry up in D three. It's again Conway and Fulton who are like sticking with the loyalty to Bombay. I like that. I like that too. That is something. I love. I just always they go to the mall of America and they're just riding the roller coaster and then Charlie's like, Oh, we'll just go play juniors. You guys are not that good. And Fulton seems to realize that fault gets it. You're the only one who's good enough is back. Yes. Absolutely. That's why he made varsity and the rest of them didn't. Yeah. All right. Let's get to the let's get to some of this Anaheim duck stuff. So yesterday we're talking about the fliers rebuild up against the sharks. And I figured, well, we're talking about the fictional ducks today. So why not talk about the actual Anaheim ducks like 10 minutes of the couple of minutes of this and I just I took some screenshots of stuff and I want to get to use it because I was looking at EP rink side earlier. And they had a top 100 prospect prospect. Yeah, I forgot the word prospect for a second top 100 prospect ranking. I just figured, all right, I look at the ducks and go. These guys have a ton of NHL ready or borderline NHL ready. Like they're pretty stocked. They are pretty well stopped. This rebuild is going a lot of really good. This rebuild has been going well for them. They probably have the best prospect pool, I think, in hockey if you're looking at both high end and depth. And it's guys who are like this list is strictly called or eligible people. So people players who are going to be in the NHL this year or have not yet like reached the NHL. Yeah. So like Leo Carlson, no, you know, but he's really good. Yeah. He still makes the Corey prom and pipeline right now because he's young and he's still. I agree with Corey's shift to a pipeline ranking because his opinion is I shouldn't be dinging the ducks from a prospect standpoint just because Leo Carlson happened to make the league as an 18 year. It does make sense to do it that way. I was on EP rink side today though. So we're going to go with that. Okay, we'll go with that. And just looking at what the ducks have in the top 100, their highest rank prospects coming in at number seven. Cutter go chia. That's a tough one. And they have this, they have this tier ranking. He's tier seven. So the way it works on a elite prospects is a ranking system of one to three is not NHL caliber. Four to six is NHL average and seven to nine is high end skill. Right. He comes in right there tier seven, the low end of high end. Right. That's, I think that's fair for cutter, like for what we know about him. He's got a great shot. What I saw of him at world juniors, I thought he was a little bit too much of a perimeter guide, but he can be you can coach that out of him. He can be. He'll have to be pushed to to fully take advantage of his size. If he wants to become a dominant player, not just a good one. And I wouldn't say like it's not as if he is the craziest hands in the world. Just that the skills he has aren't so good. I mean, when you have the quality of shot that he has, you can lean on that one. Yeah. He comes in as the number seven thrank prospect and eight tier seven, then coming in at number 18, the ducks have the 18th ranked prospect as well. Beckett Seneca. Right. The guy who they just drafted this year, he's also a tier seven player. So that low end of high end, I like him. I do think that he was, it was a bit of a reach. You believe he got overdraft. Yeah. They took him. He had the really big second half and teams are dreaming on the upside because he's still growing into his body. He had the big growth spurt heading into last season. And the idea was that he's still learning how to take full advantage of his new frame. If he learns how to take advantage of his new frame and he still has all the skill. Holy shit. He could be a superstar. I think it was an upside play. I get it. It's just that I could envision a war where he's just a decent middle six forward because he doesn't have the instincts. He is decision making sometimes is off. I could see that being an outcome in a way that I didn't quite see for some of the other guys who got taken after him. So I didn't love that pick. But like he was in a top tier. He deserved to be in the top. He was in that tier of like, okay, all these guys are basically the same, but third overall was like, no one really had him go in there. Some people did. I mean, okay. He was one of those late risers. I just didn't expect that rise to go all the way to three. Okay. They also have the 48th ranks prospect in Stan Stolberg, they took him the physical Norwegian. Yeah. I liked him what 23rd overall in June. I liked if he was the guy I was worried that the fliers in retrospect, I guess I should have been worried about this Luchenko, but he was sold where it was the guy I was worried the fliers are going to reach for because he's super physical two, one ninety six. He seemed like the kind of guy that that Jonesy and then would fall in love with. I bet they liked him, but I didn't like him enough to take him at, you know, they just liked Luchenko better, and then finally the 83rd ranks prospect Tristan Luna, not familiar with him. I had four guys in the top 100, Luna was a second round pick, 53rd overall in 2022. And he was one of the guys. Yeah. He was the QMJHL, defenseman of the year in 2020. I don't really follow the cue that closely. Out of the three, it's the one I follow the least in 2023, the ducks prospects, all the three defensemen of the year in the CHL were all ducks prospects. Right. Zell Wager, it was a minty cow in the OHL and Luna on the queue and Zell Wager ultimately won it. Who is Renee Zell Wager? But yeah, so he comes in at 83 and obviously, I really liked what I saw from Pablo Mitchell cough last year. He impressed me a lot in the, in the viewings I had of the ducks. And I think Leo Carlson is going to be real good too. Obviously, they've had Trevor Ziegler's a while for how much longer I guess we'll see. We'll see. He's probably going to get traded. Here, Mason McTavish, he's been there for a little bit third round pick, or a first round pick, third overall a few years ago. And Leo Carlson, the second overall pick in 2023, they have a ton of really good young town. They do. Like whether it's these guys are going to hit and be stars or do that next year down, they seem like they're pretty well set. And when you look like, Oh yeah, they had a year ago, the three finalists for CHL Defenseman of the year, one from each league, it's like, Oh, they were kind of dealing from a position of strength with Jamie drives the offer cutter go chia and got a pretty damn good prospect. The seventh overall prospect in cutter go chia. The fliers, it's not as if they're devoid of these high end guys, obviously joining the team this year. The number two ranked prospect, the only guy ahead of cutter go of the only guy ahead of Matt Vay Mishkoff was Mack on celebrating. Yeah, which makes sense. Makes sense. Coming in and like, yeah, he's a tier eight. He's got the high end skill. He's thought of to be one of the best up and coming players in a long time. I mean, you're if you're watching this, we put up the screenshots from from EP ringside. They do great work, but they rank the individual tools from one to nine. So if you're listening to this on on podcast, I want to read it off five skating. So NHL average, this is Mitch cough, seven shooting. So that is above, you know, above NHL average, seven passing, seven puck handling, eight point five out of nine in terms of hockey sets. Like that is that that is the truly elite trait that Mitch cough has. Yes. And then he's five for physical. He is cerebral. Uh, he isn't like, it's not like he's huge. So I guess you're going to dig him for physicality. I feel like that's a little low, just because I've seen him battle through so much traffic. He plays a very competitive style. He's willing to play through contact. He's certainly willing to go to the, uh, the, the slot in the dirty areas. It's just that he's not throwing his body. He's not big. Yeah. So there's only so much he's going to be able to do physically, especially against NHL. And when he gets here to tall men, sure, it'll be certainly an adjustment high end players. Um, but I don't know, just the five, um, all the skills are good. Like his lowest grades are NHL average. Right. I just was like, I don't know. I've seen him, seen him battle through a lot of traffic. Uh, thought five was a little, the competitive misses very high with Mitch golf to be sure. Then the flyers don't have, of course they would have cutter who was number seven, imagine having two of the top seven. That would be nice. They don't, uh, but they do have Oliver Bonk coming in at number 62. So they don't, for 60 spots, they don't have a, uh, they don't have a prospect, but Bonk comes in at 62. He's a tier five. So NHL average, they think, which is obviously we're just going to be more optimistic because we have the up close look at him. Like what do, what do we think he can be and what does the team think he can be? Where is he slotting in? Like right now he's slotting in to be like a good second pair of defense men. Right. You know, when we talked about what the flyers have on the blue line yesterday, it's like, well, if York and Drysdale hit their ceilings and then you have sandheim and bonk, that appears like it could be a pretty good top four. And that's where he's slotting in, right? Yeah, I think the flyers are higher, are higher on him than I probably am. They think he can be a potential first pair guy. I think, I don't think they believe it's a lock by any means, but they see that kind of side. They don't see him as a, you know, a mid, a mid ceiling guy. They see him as a high ceiling guy who could be an impact player. And hopefully they're right. And finally coming in at number 89, jet Luchenko, the flyers first round picked from this last year, also a tier five guy. It was an upside play for the flyers. They saw the speed. They saw all he, I mean, he just now turned 18 like last week. It was an upside play and he comes in in the top 100, his first year, they're very high on him. I mean, that's really what it boils down. They're very high on jet Luchenko and they are much higher on jet Luchenko than the people at Ali prospects. So again, I really like, I mean, people at Ali prospects, I think they do great work. But the hard truth is that they don't think jet Luchenko is that good. Like, here's the thing. The flyers, the flyers in this list would look a lot better had they taken. Booyam and not Luchenko, booyam, booyam was ranked 11th. So if they would have had, if they would have taken Booyam, they would have had the second pro best prospect and the 11th best prospect and they had the ability to do that. They chose not to. Now, EP thinks that was done. They would say you're insane. Zee Buoyam is a way, way, way, way, way, way better prospect than jet Luchenko, who they have ranked what in the 80s, you said 89. It remains to be seen who's right. The flyers believe that at the very least Luchenko is equivalent to Booyam just plays a position that was of greater need. They probably think he's better than Booyam. I would assume. I hope I certainly hope it wasn't just because they didn't want to deal with Kurt over art. I hope it's, I hope it's because they legitimately believe Luchenko will be a better NHL player. If they are proven right, then suddenly Luchenko, this prospect pool looks a lot better. But according to EP, they're very high on Booyam and they're not very high on Luchenko, which makes the flyers prospect pool look worse than it theoretically could have been had they made the pick that EP thinks they should have made. And the ducks also had the 10th ranked goalie prospect, Damian Chlora. The flyers, it was a top 15 goalie prospects list. They just didn't have anyone in the top 15, but they did mention Fido Tov wasn't eligible for the list because it's only called their eligible players, guys who don't have their service time or have not reached the NHL yet. Fido Tov is 28, 29 years old. You have to be under 26 on September 15th. He is obviously beyond that. So he didn't, he didn't, maybe he would have made the top 15. Maybe not. They just said, Hey, he's one of the guys who's not. But neither Colosov nor Zavragg is nor I guess Bjarnasen made it. So EP is not as high on the flyers, goaltending pipeline as the flyers are. The flyers believe they've a very strong goaltending pipeline, EP degrees. The flyers are going like just based on public perception, national public perception. It's like, if they're right, it's like, we were smarter than everyone. But that's what it's going to come down to, whether they, their personal preferences beat the general consensus of so many of these and obviously like, you know, the gogia things kind of sucks and we'll see how Jamie drives Dale turns out to see if that's a wash or not. Well, I want to go back though, real quick to the ducks because the point you made is that like the ducks have a lot of talent and the flyers don't seem to have as much. And that is accurate. I think from a pipeline standpoint, no one would argue that the ducks have less talent that the flyers have more talent than the ducks in terms of prospect pipeline. The ducks pipeline is stacked. This is actually like the ducks I know we argued yesterday about the sharks. I think the ducks are probably be better like apples to apples comparison of the different ways to do a rebuild flyers and ducks. Because the ducks are very much not prioritizing culture and building around their young players. Their thought process is let's just stockpile as many young players as possible. And eventually everybody will be good. But if anything, their development, their development strategies seemingly haven't worked. Like we've spent multiple shows for really since January talking about how badly it seems like they screwed up dry sales development. He was a six overall pick and now he's a reclamation project of sorts because the ducks rushed him to the NHL Trevor Zegris like as a rookie, like was that his best was he best as a rookie? Was he the most exciting? And now he's stagnated. I think it'll be very interesting to see how these ducks players develop because it doesn't seem like the ducks are doing like if the ducks become good, it's going to be in spite of not because of good development and it's going to be a an endorsement of the idea that all that really matters is just getting a lot of really talented young blue chip prospects and then be like, well, they'll figure it out because they're just that good. Whereas the flyers are looking at it as we want to get the most out of our prospects. We want to very much prioritize developing them in a competitive environment where they will have support from quality in each other's like, just talk about it yesterday. Raccoon is probably going to be the ducks fucking captain. I love racco. Good is. He's not that good. He's he's fine, but yeah, like he's not. Yeah. If he's a guy who you're seriously considering giving the captaincy to, you don't got much of you don't have a ton of options. You don't got much of the NHL love. So what I'm saying is that we are going to see a head to head battle of whether culture matters a lot or whether culture doesn't matter much at all because the ducks are going the route of culture doesn't matter that much at all. All the matters of stockpiling town. They might be right. They very well could be right. They have a lot of freakin town. I'm just saying that I am going to be very intrigued to measure the success of both of these rebuilding plans because they are so different in terms of what they are valuing in the rebuild. Charlie, you know, when this debate gets settled, the 2029 Stanley Cup final, when they play a chip, Mitch. Yeah, it is in, it is, it is almost a, a foregone conclusion that these two teams will meet in the Stanley Cup final with Go Chi being, you know, basically the newest version of Patrick Kane. So we'll see how that goes saying is that the ducks have all these, all this prospect out. And that's great. Now we see if they can develop it. And I will say, and I am not here to stick up for the flyers rebuild, obviously, I believe in some aspects of it, other aspects, I think leave something to be desired. Sure. Well, it was in 2017, like was a 10th overall pick, like that is a guy with still some pretty high upside. Now you can say, okay, this is what he is, two years in a row, same goals, points total. There might be something else there also, he's already very good. Like that is something you think a guy like Tyson Forster, yeah, he was taken 23rd. The flyers very much believe he was under drafted. This is another one of those. Well, maybe they're right. Maybe he does. His next level is 35 goals and like some fucking Selkie votes, couldn't think of the award. I knew it wasn't Norris, but like if those, if that's the case, then maybe it's a little bit more comparable, but they have a lot of time just with a lot of town. I just wish I had all these things that could be boats, Charlie. Yeah. That's what it comes down to. A lot of maybe boats. Maybe a lot of, and it's not even that they have a lot of maybe boats. They have a lot of maybe yachts. They have a lot of maybe luxury liners. Just, just one other guy. If they had, if we just still had cutter, I think people would have a totally different view of this thing. Yeah. Yeah. But again, that's when I speak to the idea of like, are you guys all under rating dries now? Mate. I hope so. I very much hope I'm under rating driesdale because if not, this thing's going to take longer than I want it to. And I wanted to take shorter so we can start talking about things other than the fucking mighty ducks. I would enjoy talking about a team that has a legitimate chance of winning a Stanley Cup. Personally, I would find that enjoyable. It would be nice. That'll do it for us today. Thank you all for listening. Thank you for hanging out. If you haven't already, you got to hit that subscribe button. 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