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2024-25 Fantasy Hockey Positional Previews: Right Wing
The 2024-25 Fantasy Hockey Positional Previews continue with the Right Wings. Brock and Dylan go in-depth on their consensus top-10 rankings at the position and give you their favourite Value picks, ADPs to avoid and breakout right wingers.
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Quick training camps kicked off today for the most part. A couple of teams got started yesterday, but most training camps started today, which is Thursday. And we're already starting to see some lines take shape, obviously it's early, but we're certainly going to be talking about some of those today. So D, how's it going? Welcome in. Let's talk about some right wingers. Let's do it, man. Yeah, not too many disappointments coming out of the early lines of training camp, at least a lot of things kind of falling into place as we kind of hope, like I said, not too many letdowns just yet. But yeah, we'll carry on tonight with our Beeb's talked about, I think it was the first show of the season, how we are at that time of our lives, where we seemingly have a wedding every other weekend. And it's weird. We had already so we'll do it for Beeb's. Yeah, and let's get into it. I mean, there's no sense wasting time. We've got Thursday night football ahead. Let's break down the top 10 right wingers. If this is the first episode that you've ever stumbled upon the DFO fantasy podcast, what we do is we give you our consensus top 10 right wingers. We also give you a bust value and breakout pick at position. So when you leave today, you'll have a consensus like top 10 top 15 right wingers. You'll have three value targets, three bus targets and three breakout target. I guess not really bus targets, but 380 P's to avoid on draft day. So let's start with number one, not a whole lot of surprise. We've gotten a key to kuchar off of the Tampa Bay lightning. I've got him at one. You've got him at one. Beeb's also has him at number one. Not a real shock. His current ADP is 4.1. The number one right winger off the board. Kuchar off led the NHL with 144 points of season to go tied with Conor McDavid for 100 assists also had 44 goals. Just an absolutely dominant season. He continues to get it done both at five E five and on the power play 40 plus power play assists for the second straight season. I mentioned it in episode ago. He led the NHL in power play since last year. Back to back for he powerfully assists seasons. Not really a whole lot you can say about Nikita Kuchar off. Outside of he's just absolutely outstanding. We've talked about Brayden point pretty glowingly. We've talked about Jake Genssel pretty glowingly this offseason. A lot of those why we like those two players so much is because we love Nikita Kuchar off. Yeah, I think we maybe would be a little bit concerned if they hadn't replaced Samco's as well as they had but we talked about how seamlessly we expect Genssel to fit into this lineup. I think you know there's maybe a little bit of a conversation we had over the number one spot here. Especially you know again just format depending I think obviously if you're in a league that rewards goals a little bit more heavily than maybe you might be looking at Kuchar off as the number two right winger but the floor here is just ridiculous. Really like I would expect to be plays 82 games that he's going to beat around an assist per game at the very least and be flirting with 80 assists. Again we saw what happened last year when you can maintain an on ice shooting percentage around 15% and touch 100 assists which just feels wild and the shop volume just really climbed the last few years as well because in the really solid base floor the goal scoring is on top of everything else. So I really do think his floor these days is about 35 to 40 goals and 75 to 80 assists and then I think we saw the ceiling last year so certainly a deserved everyone's spot but like I said format depending you might have a little bit of a conversation to be at here with the number two spot. When you look at Kuchar off not just among the right wingers but where do you kind of have him falling into place in the overall draft like is he a guy that's creeping into your top three? Is he somebody that you're thinking about over somebody like Austin Matthews? I think it's a pretty clear one two with David and McKinnon. Is Kuchar off a guy that you slide in at number three or is it kind of just a draft day decision for you? Again in more balanced formats I think yeah there's a real argument there especially because not as much as in you know past years but I do still think center is the deepest forward position out there so getting that right wing eligibility is really nice but most leagues do favor goals in one way another even category leagues goals tend to lend themselves to more category leagues obviously we know points goals tend to get a little bit of a bonus there over assists and Matthews I think is just such a reliable goal scoring threat that you really can realistically expect in the clear Kuchar off by 15 goals or so but yeah like I said you know I would it's going to be close in and a more balanced format there certainly is an argument to have Kuchar off at the number three spot you said there's an argument at the top the argument would be between McKinnon Kuchar off and David Pashanak of the Boston Bruins Pashanak comes in at number two for us all three of us have came ranked at number two Pashanak another guy that's just been absolutely done in the last couple of years remarkably consistent as well 113 points in 2023 110 points in 2024 the goal scoring dropped off a little bit last year he went from 61 goals in 2023 to 47 goals a season ago the sophomore dropped a bit he went from a ridiculous 407 shots to 382 I think one of the craziest things and we've talked about it before it is how David Pashanak managed to shoot 15 percent while taking 407 shots a couple years ago that's just absolutely bonkers stuff but yeah the the Bruins are are kind of a one-man show at this point uh David Pashanak or bus for them the surrounding cast isn't quite as strong as it used to be but he's absolutely outstanding like Kuchar off a guy that's been pretty healthy his entire career shoots the puck a ton he's gonna score more goals than Kuchar off but the assist just not quite there last year though did set a career high with 63 points but it's going to be tough for him to get near Kuchar off point totals just given the fact that the surrounding cast the power play just not quite as good we talked about uh Kuchar off having 40 power play assists last year David Pashanak just 23 so uh yeah to me Kuchar off it is kind of clearly the number one but David Pashanak's right there behind him and he's another guy that I do think that you have to given the fact that right wing is not as deep as center um I think it is deep in as you kind of alluded to or like as these as the years progress we're seeing a lot more good names ranks 18th to 20th than we used to uh but Pashanak's in that conversation for a top three pick as well this year ADP at the moment is 5.6 which is again number two off the board among right wingers uh you're going to know it's a little bit of a theme here today we are very much on point with ADP for the most part ADP pretty nails um at least in terms of ranking the right wingers so I might be a little bit more boring than normal but we're going to give you a little bit of an in-depth breakdown of each guy uh do you what do you love most about David Pashanak? Yeah I obviously it's the shot volume I think he's in even a better spot than he was last year too with the addition of the Liaslin home finally gets a number one center to run with uh following obviously the retirement of Patrice Bergeron so I would expect him to you know continue with that elite shot total and maybe wouldn't be surprised if the conversion rates a little closer what we saw a couple seasons ago at 15% with a solid play driver and a shock creator uh like lindholm so it's just such a safe floor both in terms of the goal scoring and now with the assist is you alluded to 63 assists last season um that he's added back to his game as well that there's really not as big of a gap um between him and Kucharov and then I think most people might think when you just look at the you know box scores from last year and Kucharov finished he was 144 points like I said he was a little bit fortunate Kucharov was to reach those top tier levels I wouldn't bet on him having that 15% on ice stream percentage again um and I do think that Pashanak might be a little bit more sustainable especially with the addition of lindholm so I wouldn't be surprised if they're within you know 10 points of each other and then obviously you expecting to get maybe 10 more goals or so out of Pashanak so that's why I think there is a bit of a thought to be had there especially because you would think you know Pashanak's probably gonna about double up Kucharov and hints or so so it's just these little things that bring him that much closer uh I do think Kucharov is the safer pick but if you just love Pashanak you're a Bruins fan or you're not a fan of the lightning I certainly wouldn't fault you for reaching for Pashanak uh over Kucharov and again same thing I think uh there's a conversation you had with these two Matthews and Dreycidal all kind of falling in the spots three to six and drafts yeah and number three is kind of forgotten man at this point Miko Randin was kind of that darling that was in that uh you know 4-5-6 argument there for a little bit he drops to 8.8 in ADP number three right winger off the board all three of us have him ranked at number three and he also had a hundred plus points last year very very strong top of this position he had 42 goals 62 assists for 104 points back to back 100 plus points seasons the production at both 5b5 and on the power play is just absolutely outstanding if you look at the last two seasons I mean very little difference I mean a couple more goals in 2023 a couple more assists in 2024 but the production just at both even strength and on the power play is just so consistent with Miko uh he he bangs a little bit not a ton but he'll you know he'll throw his weight around about uh anywhere from half to to you know a hit her game so he chips in there as well and this is just a team that we've seen their depth kind of fall apart in recent years they're not as deep as they were a couple of seasons ago especially now entering the early part of the season no archery lecternate no valor in a chooschkin for at least a month and a half Miko Randin played over 22 minutes almost 23 minutes a season ago no forwards really see quite as much ice as these guys and they didn't do a ton to address the forward depth in the off season this is the guy that's going to be out there for 23 minutes a night again and he's probably gonna go for 40 goals he's probably gonna go for 60 assists there's really just nothing to be said negatively about Miko Randin he's just in a tough spot here like he he's behind kutra often passionate he's an outstanding player if you don't get the fourth overall pick you don't get the fifth overall pick I will happily take Randin at eight or nine wherever he's falling in drafts yeah and obviously like you said he's a phenomenal player the ice time is a big thing for me like even pastran last year at just under 20 minutes a night obviously still a huge load but theoretically still a little bit of room to grow there and Randin realistically can only go down in terms of his usage I do wonder just how long they can keep up playing these guys 23 minutes a night without suffering any repercussions in terms of things like injury or fatigue and then yeah like I said phenomenal player I think he's certainly the best at the rest at that spot in the trap but his shot volume wow great it's obviously not at the level of David pastran that's going to limit him in terms of scoring goals he needs to really convert at a very elite rate for an entire season which he can't do he did it a couple of years ago shot 18% scored 55 goals but it's just nowhere near as reliable as the formula that David Pashnik has and his shot volume very similar to Nikita Kootrovs and obviously doesn't have that incredible floor or ceiling in terms of the assist production that Kootrov offers so I think it's a very obvious number three but like he said one that you should be happy to settle for at that point in the trap. Matthew Kuchok fell just short of a hundred points after back to back a hundred point seasons in 22 and 23 he had 26 goals 62 assists or 88 points a season ago his second year in Florida he was outstanding once again they want to stand the cup and all four but all three of us have him at four excuse me and that's exactly where he slots in at current ADP his ADP is 10.9 the fourth right winger off the board so we're rate and lockstep all three of us so far with ADP that trend will continue the Panthers not much has changed they're very similar team to who they were a season ago the top six remains completely intact and they're going to run it back with Matt Kuchok in Sam Bennett and Evan Rodriguez it was a strong second line he had plenty of production on the power play 26 assists was a career high on the power play but just six power play goals after scoring 12 and 14 power play goals in the two years previous so that was the real difference from him going from being a 40 goals score to a 26 goals score and a lot of that had to do with the fact that Sam Reinhardt scored 27 power play goals he's probably going to give some of those back this year we'll talk about him a little bit later in the show and you have to imagine that there'll be a little bit better fortune for Matt Kuchok also just shot 9.3 percent which is by far the lowest of his career career 12.6 percent shooter so a big bounce back here likely incoming here for Matthew Kuchok just a great great player all around up over 100 hits yet again 151 hits so he contributes there just going to contribute across the board he's not quite as much of a category stuffer as his brother Brady but he's going to provide you with that elite level offense and like I said towards the back of the first round here in an ADP of 10.9 Matt Kuchok is a terrific building block for your for your fantasy team if you end up the later pick of the draft yeah and I do think it's worth mentioning that for my projections in banger leagues I would lean Kuchok over ranted and I think their point totals are going to be pretty similar come the end of the season I'd expect Kuchok to your point to bounce back in closer to 40 goals this year should have a slight edge with ranted in the assist department his time and I's could certainly go up this year play just 18 minutes 38 seconds a game last year and then you're getting the hits as well you know his hits have kind of fluctuated a little bit year to year but you really did bounce back in that department last year just shy of two hits a game with 151 on the season so that stark difference at least in terms of the upside he can offer you in banger leagues is enough for me to put him ranked above ranting but across all formats all things considered I do think there's a slight edge for ran in but yeah in the right formats I think it makes sense to go pitch up first number five we all have william delan or at number five interesting enough he is on the right wing episode today but it looks like willies going to be at least shifting back to senators who open training camp we'll see how long that last it's it's an experiment that's been tried before whether or not correct buruba elects a stick with it long term we shall see but william delaner is right wing eligible on yahoo and that's why we're going to talk about him here his great adp is 15.5 again number five right winger off the board so we're right and locked up with adp there uh neelander great season again last year another 40 goal season back to back for him setting career high with 58 assists and 98 points you know will you go off to that just absolutely towards start to the season and then cooled off and i think that maybe his second half of the season like the the drop off was maybe a little bit overblown if you take a look at exactly what he did in the second half he was still at a point per game 19 goals 22 assists 41 points and 41 games so uh yeah like it was it definitely wasn't the same elite elite level that we saw from the first half but he's a player that is usually always in the lineup he's only this one game the last three years in the regular season and the production has been extremely consistent and and we saw that with maybe a little bit more good fortune a little bit of improved shot volume he can maybe take another step forward and become a 100 point player perhaps in 2024 25 yeah you said it i just don't think he offers obviously the same floor as a rampsonan orica chuck um and really if you look at his numbers across the board last season to your point it was kind of a tale of two halves but on the whole uh it certainly looks more than breathable for willy newlander he shot 12.7 percent right in line with his career shooting percentage is 12.4 on a shooting percentage 12.1 the previous two seasons 12.3 and even 12.0 so no major red flags there really if you want to talk about the jump in production basically just came out of a jump in usage that's why we're always so excited when we're looking at potential situations where a guy potentially be looking at a minute or two more per night he jumped up from 18 minutes and 33 seconds the year before it's at 19 minutes and 55 seconds last season and of course he saw it happen with the point totals jumping up from 87 to 98 and like i said no red flags across the board the concerning thing is him starting the season at center because if that's the case obviously it's not going to be a second line center with tomorrow's on the wing or at least to start it's going to be either whether or not you want to call me you end or the the second or third line i would you know assume that we would probably chart it as the second line at this point but either way if they're going for a more balanced approach uh he's more likely to be around that 18 minute 18 and a half minute mark he was at a couple seasons ago than the nearly 20 minutes he saw last season right i don't know how long it'll last it's difficult to project with a new coach uh to your point they've never stuck with it too long when they've gone there in the past obviously it lengthens out the lineup um but they've kind of just always come back to the fact that the top six seems obviously much more productive when you have really on the wing up there and that's kind of what's going to drive this team at the end of the day so i don't know if they have the depth to do it i don't know if it makes a lot of sense but if he does get off to a good start in that rule if the davera's line is doing well obviously we got no worries about the map he's lying um then it could be something that sticks and like i said it's hard to imagine him being around 20 minutes a game again if he is going to be playing center as the result of that lineup being a little bit deeper so that's the the one concern here and why you might see him fall closer to the you know 85 87 points he put up a couple seasons ago but i think if the usage remains in line with what he saw last year then i'm expecting something pretty close to the 98 points he achieved yeah i was going to get to that point it is a little bit concerning that he's moving to center because you're not going to just see john Tavares whether he's their third line center or not you're not going to just see him take that traditional third line center 14 minutes in ice time like that's going to be a third line that plays a ton um it's going to be interesting to see how it all shakes out this is day one of training camp i don't think we need to get too deep into the weeds on stuff like this it could last a week it could last uh two more practices who will will not get too crazy about it but it is something worth monitoring throughout the preseason um because you you know you you do have to spend up for willy on draft day i mean 15 ADP is certainly high and you don't want him dropping um you know a minute and a half in ice time from what he had a season to go and just falling back to a point-per-game player at the 15th overall pick so definitely um a situation i want to keep my eye on throughout preseason and it's something that will certainly keep talking about uh Zach Hyman comes in at number six pretty boring again all three of us have him at six his ADP is six right right winger off the board his ADP overall is 22.8 obviously we know what Zach Hyman did a season ago scored an outrageous 54 goals 39 at even strength 15 on the power play second straight year 15 power play goals he just dominated uh only 23 assists which is kind of baffling like i i know he's just kind of the finisher with Conor McDavid but still playing with Conor McDavid you'd think there'd be some more helpers to go around he had 47 year previous so the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle there probably close to a 35 assists guy um he's so difficult to project because seemingly everything went in um even though it didn't like you watch those games and sometimes you're like my god this guy should have seven goals tonight already it just seems he's just you know does all the dirty work in front the chances come in so close to the net and yeah he shot 18.6 last year but on that power play playing with McDavid the role in the shots that he's taking i don't think it's crazy to say that he could certainly replicate it again this season is it likely probably not but 290 shots you know at 15 percent he's still gonna have 40 goals so i i love Zach Hyman again this year and on draft day i honestly feel better with with Zach Hyman at ADP 22 than i would with William Vlan or ADP 50 yeah i i don't think it's a huge stretch to uh to your point imagine him shooting somewhere around 18 percent again this season if the formula is the same like one of the more popular trending tweets that kept resurfacing last year with Zach Hyman's goal chart as things played out throughout the season um and i think buddy you have one or two goals maybe from above the hash mark so but that kind of utilization like you should expect obviously that conversion rate to be higher than most so it does make sense to me um the assists are interesting because obviously McDavid just shot the puck and scored a lot less goals last year than he did the season before and with how close Hyman is tied uh tied to McDavid that's probably going to be the driving factor in his assist totals right so there are more goals out there for them like even with Hyman picking up so much of the slack in that department last year the two of them combined for 84 goals last year they combined for an even 100th a year before so i would still expect that Hyman can score you know somewhere around uh 50 goals or so and we could still realistically see a jump in McDavid's goal production to closer to 40 as opposed to the 32 he was out last year um so it's there the potential is there but you're not drafting Hyman um for the upside in terms of his uh point or assist production it's what he brings in terms of guaranteed goals and and getting someone that we all expect to flirt with 45 to 50 goals at that spot in the draft really makes a whole lot of sense and um and yeah to your point i think it's a nice value for him and uh brings just a little bit extra value in banger leagues as well he's been right around one hit per game over the last couple of seasons we finally have a slight difference in our rankings and a slight different in our rankings versus the ADP but still pretty close Mitch Marner of the Toronto Maple Leafs comes in at number seven i've got him at seven as do you beeps has him at eight which is where his ADP actually lies he's the eighth right winger off the board ADP of 30.8 i mean so much gets said about Marner if you're hidden Ontario like we are you hear about it constantly uh the Maple Leafs fan base screaming for changes this offseason nothing drastic really happened outside of a coaching change which i know you're thrilled about um i mean i actually haven't talked to you about how you feel about Barouba himself but i know that you weren't the biggest Sheldon Keith supporters so i know that you're probably feeling pretty good about that and it will be interesting to see how things are different under Barouba but he he's you know coached a many good hockey team in his career so i don't have too many concerns but for Marner last year just 69 games were picked up 85 points much of the same that you wouldn't expect for Mitch Marner pretty modest shot totals converts at a pretty high rate at least the last three seasons he's been around 15-60 percent which is really good the goal totals have have flourished you know 30 30 35 30 and then 26 and 69 games a season ago there's really not a whole lot to say about Mitch Marner you're basically getting 30 goals your bait you're blocking in 60 to 70 assists he's a very safe pick uh with maybe somewhat limited upside of the goals scoring department but you're still getting enough to where it's not going to kill you if you take them um you know in the the early third round so i like Marner's value i would much prefer taking again Marner at 30 then William V lander at 50 V lander is probably going to finish more base points of the year but the value just seems much more delightful for for Mitch Marner yeah yeah to your point like i think a lot of people might look at what he did last season and think there was some sort of drop off but the per 82 game pace right basically all came down to that injury he was on pace for 30 goals 70 assists which is almost dead in line with what he did the season before when he finished with 99 points so uh yeah you got it's just such a safe pick and really makes a lot of sense uh to go after him in this spot in the giraffes and to your point you know it doesn't offer quite as much upside as some of the other guys that we've talked about and obviously the goals are a big part of that it'll be interesting to see you know his shot volume is tailed off each of the last couple of seasons whether or not that gets corrected i think a lot of maple leaf fans would love to see him shoot the puck a little bit more so that'll be interesting to see obviously he's never going to be the number one shooting option on a line Austin Matthews but there's certainly room for that to grow and maybe be closer to the 200 shots and the or the 224 shots he had in the previous two seasons so that's the little bit of upside that you do have with marner but really to your point why this pick is so appealing is the fact that you can kind of just lock in his production at least you know what you're getting in the regular season after that all bets are off spoken like a true maple leaf fan it is interesting because like you said the the production last year outside of the entry is very very similar to what we saw in the two previous seasons and last year coming into the draft at this point last year his ADP was 17.3 so he's dropped a full round and has done basically the exact same thing he's always done so it doesn't make a lot of sense certainly sets him up to be a nice draft day value number eight on the board is sam ryanhardt this is where things start to get a little bit different beams has him at seven you've got him right here at eight i'm a little bit lower at number 11 like i said he is the number seven right winger off the board we have him at eight his ADP is currently 24.3 going to save sam ryanhardt for a little bit later in the show we'll get in in depth with sam ryanhardt getting to the weeds a little bit but he comes in at number eight for us number nine is the player that we all love Wyatt johnson the breakout last year was absolutely outstanding and this year it looks like he's going to open the season on the top line with rupee hints in uh jason roberton uh unclear if he's going to be the center or the winger on that line but nonetheless he he comes in as a right winger for us on this show he does have center right wing eligibility on yeah who um i love why johnson this season um you know in a draft like i might take him a little bit earlier than some of the guys i have ranked ahead of him but i i i i not my stats kind of do the this the talking and that's how i do my rankings and he actually projected out extremely well and he still came out as the number 12 freight winger for me so i'm the lowest on him and i feel like i'm extremely high on him so you must be uh over the moon about why johnson but just a little bit of background information the breakout last year was great 32 goals 33 assists 65 points in 82 games saw around 17 minutes a night was really good in the post season as well uh but it was really the second half in which he took off like you know on the whole season it doesn't look that spectacular but in his final 42 games he was 42 points 22 goals 20 assists rate at a point per game pace he was just absolutely terrific and you think um that playing the whole season this year with hints and robertsin should lead to a little bit more ice time and you just talked about it a few minutes ago that that extra minute or two can just make a absolutely massive massive difference and that's what we're we're projecting for johnson this season if he goes and starts playing 18 and a half minutes the shot volume is going to go up the goal totals are going to go up playing with better players the assist totals are going to go up like i mean there's a lot of still unlocked potential that we saw uh in the second half of last year yeah and on top of that is the kid who's still just 20 years old and seemingly gets better at the game hockey every single time he steps on to the ice just an incredible exciting talent it's a while to think he fell as far as he did in the NHL draft and made the stars a lot earlier than people thought even though he did win the most outstanding player award in the OHL the year before but it's just such an incredible talent like i said and yeah to your point like this feels like a very obvious breakout selection you know i think we all wanted to talk about him as our potential breakout and then we realized that he was probably kind of nestle inside our top 10 so there was no need we get plenty of time to talk about how much we love Wyatt uh but yeah down the stretch last year 17 goals 15 assists in his last 29 regular season games obviously carried that into the post season as well and shot 98 times uh shooting percentage of 17.3 percent and again so he's already over three shots a game down the stretch last season and as he said something that we would expect to grow even further with that expected bump in ice time and uh the really exciting part too is this is a kid who still just seems to be getting better so i really do think like his ceiling is kind of unknown at this point heading into redraft leagues this year i think he's a great value at what he's going because i i really do expect him at the very least to return value on that selection you know going at the back of the fifth round i think it's awesome um and i would not be surprised if this is a guy we're talking about as a second round selection or at the very least uh going the head of you know his line mate this year Jason Robertson uh when we're talking about fantasy drafts next season i think his upside is just that great uh he's a really really exciting player and someone that i'm going to want to be getting as much of as possible this season yeah we're in a couple of leagues together and i know we're drafted in near each other it's going to be an absolute battle to scoop him up it's worth mentioning too that hints in Robertson have been unbelievable together we saw Joe Pavelski at a very advanced age have tremendous fantasy relevance and tremendous fantasy seasons on that line and johnson at 20 just getting better every day like you said you know the sky does seem like it's the limit this year and if you take a look at at last year's playoffs i mean when the game is tight when the scoring is is seemingly down and and it's just much harder to generate offense 10 goals in 19 games he was still shooting three times per game obviously time when i suppose up in the playoffs because of four times and all that but up over 20 and a half minutes in the playoffs last year do not anticipate that will be the case in the regular season this year but that just goes to show that compared to last year's like 17 minutes he's gonna get a bump and the return is going to be massive he's just such a good pick i honestly expected his abp to be a little bit higher he he's going to be an absolute smash in the fifth round without question number 10 for us is yes bert brat uh going in a similar spot to why johnson uh why is currently the number 11 uh right winger off the board so we are a little bit higher on adp uh on him than adp excuse me brat comes in at 10 adp same as where we've got a ranked his overall adp is 55.4 i got him at nine beams and and you have him at 11 brat pretty consistent somewhat i guess unremarkable uh you know the gold totals are certainly not going to blow you away uh 26 32 27 in the last three seasons the assist totals are very very solid 47 41 56 last year up over point per game at 83 uh shoots the puck at ease and clip we'll bang on close to a hit per game nothing spectacular but uh just a good all-around player he he has just kind of i would i'd like to think that he's got some somewhat unlocked potential here right if he's a guy that is attached to jack hues for an entire season like what does that bring um what does that bring yes for brat like if hues goes off for 150 point season like we think he he could be capable of like this brat just follow right along and have a massive year so you know that like i i used to word on remarkable and that's probably unfair but it does seem like he's got some untapped potential here but i just don't know what the ceiling is yeah and uh that's the interesting part right i i think the fact that he's shown that he can be productive uh even when the devils are without the likes of hues or duggy or even knee cohesion um really um makes you feel uh a lot better about taking brat where he is in the draft and there is still that unknown right it's it's and it's not just hues like they had trouble staying healthy across the board last season except for yes for brat who has managed to play in all 82 games but duggy limited to just 20 games obviously hues missed a handful of time he sure missed about 11 games so uh if all those guys can stay healthy like they were productive power play unit last year even without all those injuries uh so that's the exciting part and that's where the upside comes from it's hard to really project because to your point it feels like we haven't really got a large sample for yes for brat when all those things have come together at least not since he's really kind of um taking that step forward over the last couple of seasons so feels like a really safe pick with that potential for a little bit more upside what that looks like we don't quite know to your point but uh yeah i like where he's going i would think if anything it probably drives his assist totals up a little bit more than the shot totals um or the goal scoring but um yeah who knows they you know shot blind was really great last year at 248 it was the best that he had achieved first time he was over three shots a game in his career so um if he gets hot with the stick and like i said all those guys stay healthy around him i do think there's another level um that he can take his game too so i think it makes a lot of sense with where he's going and draft to try to add yes for brat to your roster uh so that was our consensus top 10 kucharoff pasternak rantony and matt kachuk willy vlander hymid marner rindhardt white johnson and yes for brat give us shed a little bit of light on the guys i've just missed out uh namely matt boldy he's a guy that all three of us really like and he just narrowly narrowly missed cracking our top 10 and he seems like a guy that's basically got like a 30 goal 35 assist 250 shot floor but he also finished last year with 36 points 13 goals 23 assists in his final 32 games that's a 33 goal 59 assists 92 point pace so if that's something that matt boldy can unlock this year his current abp is 74.6 i mean that is just an absolutely juicy abp and a guy in this range that i'm absolutely targeting in every draft imaginable you know if you do miss out on these elite right wingers like kucharoff like pasternak rantony and kachuk it's worth waiting and you can pick up why at johnson and matt boldy in like the fifth and seventh round and have 290 point right wingers in much much later round so there's a lot to like about those those two young players matt boldy specifically we aren't going to get into him as a value he narrowly missed me my value pick but he's somebody i just really wanted to highlight because i absolutely love him before i i go to you here for comment on boldy just a quick recap of our uh 11 through 15 adrien kempay came in at 12 quill coffee on 13 travis neckney 14 uh jordan pyro 50 set jar of a 16 tivo mire 17 lukis raman comes in at number 18 so that was our consensus top 18 right wingers a few boaters but i just want to get your feel on matt boldy yeah obviously been a fan ever since he's broken into the league and i've kind of been waiting for him to take that step forward and to really that elite level of a fantasy asset and as you said seem like he achieved that down the stretch last year he's at an age where it makes sense that um he would be kind of reaching that next level still just 23 years old so yeah absolutely love with where he's going in giraffes i think there's no risk i would expect him to easily return value at that slot and like you said a guy especially with the talent around him obviously namely uh quote cappers off that um there's a real chance for him to really break in 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my bus or ADP to avoid is sam ryanhardt and this is actually the second time now in two episodes that my value pick from last year is now being drafted so high this year that he's a bus so again that means i did a tremendous job last year Vincent trocek at the centers and sam ryanhardt at right wing he was my value pick on this episode last year and boy it was a good one he absolutely exploded in the contract the year scored 57 goals 94 points in 82 games that was great and he resigned at the panthers and well once again be back on a line with bark off in rahaggy but there's just absolutely no way he repeats those numbers he had the highest shooting percentage in the NHL at 24 and a half percent he also led the NHL as i mentioned previously in power play goals with 27 which is ridiculous his previous career high was 16 so 11 more power play goals than his previous career high everything that could go right last year did go right and you absolutely have to pay for that on draft day this year so the late second round pick to me is just far too steep for a guy who may be like a 35 35 type player this year with pretty modest shot totals offers very little in the hits category as well so that's the type of player that you could like if things go poorly or kind of back to the norm which is not really out of the question he's going to be a really bad pick at that spot because there's a lot of guys that that can match his production much later in the draft so uh yeah like white johnson at 58.3 map oldie at 74.6 cold coffee or the 82.3 Travis connecting 72.8 those are guys that i would much rather take this position much much later in the draft so certainly an ADP to avoid for me deity of anything to add on sam ryan heart before we get to bebs just bust pick no i think it makes a lot of sense obviously if you just go based off his career numbers in terms of his conversion rates you would expect him and it makes sense that you'd project him around 35 goals i don't think that 57 goals is quite a fluke you know i'm not expecting him to shoot 24.5 percent i'm not expecting to score 27 power play goals but a lot of that came from a change in how they deployed him on the power play and using him in that front slot and maybe teams key on that a lot more and pay him a lot more respect coming to this season and he doesn't have as easy of a time as he does getting the shots off from there and you know that was a big part of why he was able to convert as much as he did so i am expecting some obvious regression to come but i i would still expect him to convert at you know one of the higher rates in the league and to still be a solid source of goals in the power play but again with where he's going it just makes no sense you basically need him to be a lot closer to where he was last season than any of us expecting to be yeah i do think it's pretty reasonable to expect him to score 40 perhaps this year but the gamble at that spot in the draft just is not worth it the people that you have to pass up on the people that you can get later to replace that that lost value it just the adp is not worth it to me uh the adp for beeps that doesn't make sense uh again he's not here but he gave us our sleep his value his bust and his breakout so we'll we'll kind of talk to him through here and his was Adrian kempay currently going 47.6 obviously beeps is not an Adrian kempay fix i went back and looked and Adrian kempay was his bust pick on the show last year and kempay like is not really a household name but in fantasy he's starting to become that 28 goals 47 points uh sorry 47 to assist 75 points a season ago the shot volume has just been really really strong for three straight years 247, 250, 246 he kind of know what you're getting with him there he will bang a little bit to 111, 119, 112 hits he's just been super super consistent and his adp is obviously a little bit inflated by the hits um but yeah like to me like if you just look at our our consensus rankings it makes sense because consensus wise we've got him at number 12 uh in his adp at the position is number nine you're the highest at it but you're even below his adp at 10 so yeah if you just look at the rankings i i think that he's probably going a little bit too high and probably not somebody that i will have many stocks in this year at 47.6 just because i said some of these other names that are going a few rounds later are just way more juicy yeah i do think his adp makes sense in banger leagues and that's why i had him probably a little bit higher than you guys have a little more exposure to banger leagues and uh try to give that a lot of rate when we do these rankings because i know a lot of our listeners do play them i know beads isn't the biggest fan so i'm sure that's also a part of why he doesn't love taking him at that spot and obviously the most formats that you're not getting that hip bonus from him uh it doesn't make a lot of sense but i do agree he just doesn't seem to offer quite as much upside as a lot of the guys going around him or even around or two later that we already spoke about um so yeah i don't imagine that i will have him and if i do um it would probably be in a banger league and even then i probably would have to see some of those other names around him that i like go off the board before i look at taking him so not the biggest fade for me personally especially in those banger leagues but i do think it makes sense and it's still just a little bit too rich for my blood as well so directly tied to Anze coppitar as well and now we've gone on to entering his age 37 season and he's still putting up 70 points every year like at some point you have to imagine that coppitar is going to slow down and that's probably going to directly impact injury and campaign so whether or not that's this year or not i'm not willing to bet against coppitar he's just such a good good player even at his advanced age but eventually it's got to slow down uh who's your bus pick uh so the one guy i'm looking to avoid this here and i i think we all kind of had him on our radar and i was thankfully first to the sheet this week but it's Brock Besser 80p of 64.7 you know Besser and the Canucks as a whole were one of the biggest surprises last season uh he exploded for 40 goals 33 assists in 81 regular season games shattered his previous career high in goals from 29 to 40 and points 56 to 73 so the breakout campaign made Besser either one of the biggest draft day steals or the best way of a wire pickup of the season depending on whether or not he was actually drafted in your league it was an incredible season for sure and he stayed seemingly red hot from start to finish had some drop droughts in there i know he was a sell high for us um earlier in the season and if you were able to get that value for him it definitely worked out um but the problem really is that it just doesn't appear to be all that sustainable as i said he managed to break through the 40 goal plateau despite registering just 204 shots on goal that's a 19.6 personal shooting percentage and almost a full 7% higher than the 12.7 percent career mark he entered last season with now on top of that his assist totals also look a little fragile given the 14.7 on ition percentage he bent it from the season ago any sort of drop there will certainly have an impact on his assist uh you'd expect the on our shooting percentage will fall closer in line with the 12.2 percent mark he owns for his career so as we always say it's kind of seemingly impending regression can't be mitigated with changes in either volume or utilization but it's hard to imagine either of those tools coming to the rescue for best or this season and i think you need them to to justify this adp the top six arguably deeper than it was a season ago with jake debress replacing Elias lintholm lintholm actually spent the majority of his time in van kuber centering the third line while the brush is unquestionably obviously a winger that appears to be slotted in for some top six minutes so it's hard to imagine best is ice time climbing at all from the 1836 he averages season ago and it's always possible you know for that shop willing to grow to thanks to maybe some improve 5b5 play or an increase in offensive zone starts but certainly not a bet that you want to make by selecting him at the front of the six rounds so i just think he's being drafted in a spot where people are expecting to easily replicate if not improve on that production from a year ago and it's just not something i can get behind he's the number 12 right winger off the board and he'd have a hard time cracking my top 20 at the position so he is a hard fade for me on draft day yeah a guy we talked about not that long ago uh adp of 74.6 map only somebody i would much prefer going about around later so yeah besser was the one guy that if you compared adp to my rankings he was by far the biggest difference uh at the right wing position so yeah fully on board there let's get to some value picks let's just start with beeps instance he's not here and it's lucas raymond and um pretty shock that i was the lowest on lucas raymond and i want it to be higher i want to rank him higher as red wings fan the second half the last year was was awesome uh 19 goals 19 assists 30 it is 38 points his last 37 game but he had to shoot 23.5% to get there the shot body was solid but still you know would put him on pace for only like 180 shots this year so as much as i want you you know saying there's gonna be a breakout statistically i i'm still kind of i mean a hard time finding it um it's probably gonna have to come from increased usage usage somewhere i will admit watching the red wings every single night like in the second half of the year he did just look like a different player like he he was taking over games he looked dominant so if he does just you know become a completely different player at age 22 and sees an extra minute of ice time this year the breakout is certainly coming and his abp is pretty good 98.3 so it's not high very high you can certainly make that bet without you know huge expectations because even if he kind of returns to what he did last year and it's just like a 72 point player in that 98 hundred pick range you're fine with that so there's really no risk here i absolutely love a Lucas Raymond pick because he can explode i know it's probably going to be more difficult for me to to have Lucas Raymond stocks this year playing in leagues with my buddies that you know quite a few are out of expanse he's gonna go much earlier than that but if you're in a league nowhere near Detroit Lucas Raymond around pick 100 makes a ton of sense to me yeah and i do think there's room for this ice time to grow um just 17 minutes and 45 seconds a game last year you take a look at that lineup it doesn't scream depth to you even past that first line they're really just kind of lacking that number two center obviously a little bit more depth at the wing uh this season and that's probably his biggest threat but i i just think they gave him the contract he's going to get a ton of run on that top line with Dylan larkin that's obviously where you want to be on this line if he's going to be on that top power bullet unit and i do expect him to have to lean on that top line a little bit more this season so i think it makes a lot of sense and to your point um i think you know if he could get back to where he was last season and increase that shot volume a little bit and obviously not have to convert on 19 percent of his opportunities it'll go a long way and i do think it makes a lot of sense with where he's going on draft day my draft day value is cool coffee old current adp of 82.3 after back-to-back injury plagued seasons to begin his NHL career coffee old appeared in all 82 games last year he ended up finishing the season with 28 goals 37 assists 65 points but with seventh in the NHL in shots on goal with 314 with that elite shot volume coal coffee is undoubtedly a 40 goal threat could also get to 40 assists this season in the second half of last year wetslofkoski sazuki and coffee old are really starting to click he was on pace for 33 goals and 41 assists to be completely frank with you i'm not quite as high on him as my projections make it seem but he stats out just so extremely well because he is a guy that could shoot 330 times this year uh and yeah the the ADP in the late seventh round it's absolutely a bet that i'm willing to take i haven't ranked much higher i probably am still a little hesitant to grab him until like the the sixth maybe late fifth is is is where i'd start but like i'd still probably look at a guy like why johnson and have to argue with myself a little bit so uh i like coffee old he stats out extremely well for me and and i'm in at that ADP i think he's going to be a guy that moves up several rounds uh next year especially that sazuki sazuki sazuki uh coffee old trio continues to click we talked about it a couple of times uh already this this year that we expect the addition of guys like patrick limay uh laine hudson coming into could be the new power play one quarterback that power play should be better the power play points that should go up for all of these guys cofield included so there's a lot that makes me think that he could have a much much bigger year this year and the ADP is great yeah and i think slov koski's obviously a big part of that if he can take that step four that we expect him to really gonna reassure those assists total that was the greatest thing to see from cofield last year going from just ten assists in 46 games the season before to 37 last season and obviously we expect them to score more goals with how often he fires the puck on net was unfortunate to shoot just 8.9 last year so he is a guy that i think um for me realistic i think his four is probably around 35 goals uh maybe 40 assists and it depending on how much not only he steps up those guys around him it could climb a lot higher so i'm with you there my value pick is jordan kairu 80p of 131.4 you heard it when brock ran through our top 15 he actually snuck in um to our number 15 spot being drafted nowhere close to that and really he's just quietly turned into one of the most underrated and consistent producers in the league averaging 33 goals 42 assists 75 points per 82 games played since the beginning of the 21-22 season a small dip in personal and on ice shooting percentage saw his totals drop slightly to 31 goals and 36 assists last year so that gives us an idea of the type of four that you're getting from kairu and the value he can offer at his current 80p which sees him go toward the end of the 11th round and i would expect to see some slight positive regression there and for his numbers to fall closer in line with what he accomplished the previous two seasons he is a staple atop that blues lineup at 5v5 as well as on the power play and there is theoretically some room for his usage to grow even further with his average time on ice finishing at 18 minutes and 20 seconds last year projected to begin the years gave alongside elite playmaker robert thomas on the first line two of them play very complementary styles of hockey and formed a very formidable duo over the last few years averaging 31 score chances for 60 and over 650 minutes at 5v5 together last season and it's a big part of why kairu shop volume has taken off over the last couple of years to the point where he's now come to be firing the puck on net three times a game so while he won't be able to help you out in categories like hits and could potentially be a detriment to your plus minus i think that's well baked into this adp you won't find a floor as solid as kairu's anywhere close to the stage of the giraffe i think he's a lock for 30 volts 35 assists and as we saw a couple years ago has a potential to push a point per game pace if the blues power play improves on the 18 conversion rate they have last year and again the development of a guy that we talked about a couple of nights ago jake neighbors who uh could go a long way in helping kairu achieve that full potential there's just a whole lot to love here and really nothing to hate for kairu at that adp of 131.4 so i really wouldn't be afraid to reach for him on giraffe i think he could end up being one of the bigger steals if i recall correctly i think this was like the same thing last year where his adp started super super low and it was actually one of the ones that we saw climb quite a bit um even just from what you had a couple days ago which i think was 131 it's actually up to 128 now so it is rising a little bit yeah who hasn't ranked at 135 so that's the reason it probably started so low but we're gonna see uh i think it rise a little bit but yeah when i compared yaku adp to my rankings not a single player there was the biggest discrepancy between ranking and adp was jordan kairu it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever uh you said he he's adp's 128.8 that's the number 26 ranked right winger i have him at 13 and he came in consensus 15 for us like i'm all lit like that adp is just absolutely mind blowing so um i think you're probably the listener they're probably catching on to the trend here that if you miss on kutra hashtag randy kachuk you're probably fine there is a lot of right wiggers you can grab and feel very very comfortable uh with later in the draft all right um we're both excited to talk about this guy so you go first give us your breakout pick for the 2024-25 season yeah it's jj patirka john jason patirka of the buffalo savers adp as of yesterday of 161 uh so if you're at all familiar with the podcast over the last couple of seasons then you won't be at all surprised to hear us pump the fantasy tires of patirka he's been a deep league dialing of ours the last couple of years thanks to his impressive production in a very limited role and finally appears to be on the verge of getting the opportunity that we feel his play and production warrants uh 22 years old was the 34th overall pick in the 2020 NHL entry draft and enjoyed a bit of a mini breakout a year ago in a second full season scored 28 goals along with 22 assists in a full 82 game season despite being limited to just 60 minutes and 24 seconds a night making that feat all the more impressive is almost all of patirka's five-by-five time for last season came with lines two and three on a buffalo team that's not exactly known for its depth uh patirka's solid just 225-by-five minutes with the team's first line center tach Thompson last year compared to 914 minutes away from him also worth noting the two were very productive in their short time together averaging 71 shot attempts 31 scoring chances and 4.35 goals per 60 at 5v5 so the savers opened up camp earlier this week and just as we hope patirka is skating on the top line alongside Thompson and Alex tuck he will deservedly get the first crack at replacing Jeff Skinner atop the lineup uh he's the most likely candidate to replace him on the team's top power play unit as well even a guy like victor olivesin would kind of steal some time there in years past he's no longer there really the only other potential threat being bow and biome if the savers opt to play both of their top defensemen on that first unit uh of course a patirka is able to hold down a spot over biome or even potentially Dylan cousins and really only further boost his potential upside and would help that limited ice time grow even further so that's what's so excited about patirka it's not just that he managed 226 shots on goal and 28 goals despite playing 16 minutes a night and said he did it while seeing very few time with his most productive teammates at both 5v5 and on the power play obviously very high on tops in this season highlighted him as a breakout in our center preview but the value could begin in on patirka is even greater uh i i think he easily has 35 even 40 goal upside if he maintains the kind of role and usage that we're hoping for and he isn't even being drafted in some leagues and more competitive leagues i'm sure you're gonna have to reach a couple arounds to secure him and he'll certainly be worth it but in home leagues you can get him with one of the last picks of your draft it is a no risk very high reward play and it's one i'll be looking to make in every league that i'm in this season yeah down the stretch last year we really started to see patirka get utilized more and the results were pretty impressive uh final 17 games of the season last year he averaged 19 minutes time on ice and he was on pace for 260 shots over 82 games during that time so uh you know if you you you can probably bank on 250 and and be pretty safe if you even take a look at at even a smaller scale his final 13 games last year he averaged 20 and a half minutes a night that's insane like i don't expect that's where he'll be this year but if he's anywhere even close it's going to be ridiculous he had 46 shots in 13 games during that time that's three and a half shots per game that would put him closer to 290 shots so you're finding a trend here where it's like you just give these guys an extra minute or two skies the limit at that point and yeah like if if he is playing close to 20 minutes which would be bonkers then yeah like how can you not just be all in and the one thing that's kind of limited to him a little bit to this point is the assist totals and those should 100% perk up a little bit with Thompson and tuck uh you you took a look at the Thompson and uh paterka combo the trio they played 156 minutes together so very you know limited sample but big enough scored 5.0 sick goals four per 60 together 31 scoring chances four per 60 they were just so good and yeah like i i couldn't be more excited for paterka this year uh absolutely love it i said that kairu is the biggest discrepancy between ADP and and my rankings paterka is number two so i couldn't be more in love with your value and your breakout pick uh on this episode i also really really love Beeb's breakout pick and that's Dylan Gunther of the Utah hockey club i remember a couple of years ago when the Phoenix Coyotes became the Arizona Coyotes and we had the Phoenix jar that we had to donate to if we uh said Phoenix instead of Arizona i think we might have to adopt something like that for Utah because i'm still very much about to say Arizona on most every single time but man Gunther was just absolutely outstanding down the stretch last year and his final 23 games of the season he had 12 goals 11 assists 26 points a point per game player the shot point was just through the roof as well he shot 3.1 times per game to give you 260 shot over 82 game pace this is a guy that is likely gonna not crack the top line uh you know that's pretty much reserved for the the Nick Schmaltzes and the Clayton Keller's and potentially Barrett Hayden um today he was actually skating with Jack McBane and Logan Cooley so Logan Cooley's another guy that could take a big step forward this year Jack McBane formerly pretty highly touted prospect uh that hasn't really done much in the show but Gunther's pretty much locked into a top six role there um and yeah if if he's able to carry over what he did in the second half of last season Gunther should uh absolutely explode this year so in love with both the paterka and the Gunther picks do you have any think to add Angel and Gunther before move on no i just another pick that i think kind of the theme of the night with these guys that we've been highlighting it feels like very safe and then the upside could just be tremendous right like even if he just maintains what he did last year he's gonna return probably around 30 goals and 30 assists over a full 82 games and then you add in the fact that that ice time could grow easily another two to three minutes the fact that he's still just 21 years old he has the draft pedigree a number nine overall pick a few seasons ago uh it's really unknown how far his ceiling can climb so yeah i love the pick it's another just fantastic late round target um and you know it's just another example of kind of the formerly Arizona now Utah bias that we're seeing on draft day and a lot of people just overlooking this kid but uh yeah i hope he will an exciting one to follow because i think there's just a ton of potential there yeah currently only being drafted in 16 percent of yeah who leagues the ADP is set 176.8 when he is getting drafted so uh either picking him up at the end of your draft or he is going to be a uh waiver wire gem at the start of the season my breakout pick to close up the show is gain the lardy this really to me feels like a bet on can he stay healthy rather than uh you know can he break out because if lardy can stay healthy a season i think the breakout is basically guaranteed if he stays healthy he's probably scoring 30 plus goals and play with Mark Schifely and Kyle Conner should lead to impressive assist totals as well uh the assist totals have really not really been there throughout his the early portions of his eight uh NHL career but he is a guy that racked up pretty impressive assist totals uh at at every level of his career so far so uh playing big minutes on that top line with those guys the assist total should perk up we talk about it all the time we just absolutely love the shot volume that you get uh from game vularity and shooting around two and a half times per game he's going to be around 200 shots and he's a guy that has converted at a very impressive 17.3 percent throughout his career so again if he can stay healthy and those numbers remain the same he's a guy that's probably scoring 30 to 35 goals this season and that was well just averaging 17 minutes tonight if he plays in that top line with uh Connor and Mark Schifely all year you have to imagine that potentially he's seen a little bit more ice time but i'm not going to get too carried away because we're still trying to get some ice time for Nick Eelers so i'll be happy with lardy's 17 minutes for now but yeah if he plays 17 minutes this guy's scoring 35 goals this year yeah and again just the theme of the night it seems like a very safe floor if you can just replicate what he did a season ago and stay healthy for a full 82 games and he's going to return tons of value on that ADP with a little bit of room to grow too so another another great pick to me he's probably the riskiest one of the trio just because the health is a big concern it hasn't been an easy run for him i mean he was drafted injured and it's been kind of a theme throughout uh his entire career so that that's the riskiest part of it all but if he does manage to stay healthy he's getting he was another guy we talked about it when you started to see early lines in camp there hasn't been too many disappointments florida connor schifely was aligned on day one of camp i don't think that there's any competition for him on the right side hope or fetties not even signed yet so yeah like i i i'll take florida gunther and patirka all my team love all three of those ADPs i don't know if i remember to mention it but if i didn't his ADP is currently 173.8 i don't even know how many it is only being drafted in 66 percent of leagues so another guy that you could scoop up after the draft but anyways that is going to do it for season 10 episode four of the DFO fantasy podcast hope you guys enjoyed yet another edition again if this is somehow the first episode that you landed on these are our best or our favorite episodes to record of the season go back do yourself service listen to the center episode listen to the left wing episode at the very least you're gonna leave these episodes with some great late round targets that is like we've we've hit on these for for years and hopefully we continue to do that so at the very least you should be leaving these these episodes with terrific late round targets and and guys that you can feel comfortable drafting in the late rounds and for a lot of people that are just already playing fantasy hockey who do we draft in the late rounds is really the toughest question for a lot of them everyone's looking for a sleeper or a guy late drafts and and we're sure to give them to you here on the DFO fantasy podcast so once again thank you so much for tuning in i'm your host Brock Zigen for me is bonding who's not here until deburth people see you guys back here next week we will be coming back next wednesday with a preview of the defense peace expand the way you work and think with Claude by anthropic whether brainstorming solo or working with the team Claude is AI built for you it's perfect for analyzing images and graphs generating code processing multiple languages and solving complex problems plus Claude is incredibly 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