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Sweet Home Cannabama 9-23-24 Daniel Jones "Waxy Brown" guest on recovery alternatives
(upbeat music) It's time for Sweet Home, Canabema, a show that'll answer all your questions, provide accurate information, and dispel the myths of cannabis, and have your specific questions answered by emailing jennifer@canabema.com, or text or call 3430106. And now, for all things cannabis in Alabama, here's your host, Jennifer Booser. - Welcome to the show, everybody. Welcome to Sweet Home, Canabema. We are here Monday nights, every week at seven p.m. right here on FM Talk 1065. I am really not getting off to a good start. I've had a long day and didn't have a good lunch. (laughs) Canabema, which I own in downtown Mobile, in case the listeners have forgotten that. We're located at 558 St. Francis Street in downtown. Our phone number is 251-255-5155-555, and our website is canabema.com. Apparently, the home page is up, and the product pages are up, but not the about section, or the radio page, but we're getting there. (laughs) And that's canabema.com. You can also find us on Sweet Home, Canabema on Facebook, Instagram. We are live tonight from X for the first time, so welcome those new listeners. Excited to continue every week to expand the show, and get this information, whether it be about what the plant is, how to use it, how it works, what's going on different states, what's going on with legislation, all that kind of stuff. So welcome. We're gonna get into this tonight, and we hope that you enjoy the show. Before we get started, though, I wanna announce that we're gonna do a giveaway tonight. I have some products that are on topic, and we are gonna be giving away. I hope y'all can see this. I have some laughing lemonade. I have some Delta light and some Delta heavy. And so all three of these cans are up for grabs. We want you to share this broadcast right now if you're on any of our platforms. Share the show, tag a friend, and we will draw at the very end of the show from those names. So help us spread the word and the education, and we've got some free stuff for you. I wanna go ahead and get into our guest tonight. He is a very good friend of mine. He's been on the show, but it's been a long, long time. My friend, Daniel Jones, you may know him as Waxy Brown. He is a Marine veteran. He is a former cannabis prisoner. I hope you don't mind me saying that, Daniel. Cannabis advocate, canopreneur and co-creator of The New Drink that we will hopefully have on our shelves as soon as it's available, called Can Abyss, which I love. Welcome to the show. - Thank you so much. I'm glad to be here, and I have to correct you. I'm an eight-year Navy vet. - Oh, I thought you were a Marine. I have thought that three years. - No, but don't worry about that because the Marines are the Department of the Navy. So technically, those guys are like our little buddies. It's all good. - Well, my daughter-in-law is in the National Guard and military police, and I know the distinction is important. So I do a- - I do kiss off a lot of Marines. I took off a lot of Marines right there. I apologize, fellas. (laughing) - Yeah, ladies and fellas. - Well, you know we're celebrating National Recovery Month, and you and I both share the fact openly that we're both in recovery. And so I want to talk about that, but first tell us a little bit about you and tell us where you're calling from. - Sure. So I go by Waxy Brown out here in the middle of Missouri, Raleigh, Missouri, which is right there in the center of the United States of America. And I've got a really wild past. I'll give it to you super fast. (laughing) I was in the Navy for eight years, group around Stoner Parents. I was in the Navy for eight years, stayed in San Diego a couple more years, do a little bit of love for the plant and the grateful dead. Then I decided to follow the grateful dead scene and jump in a bunch of festivals and sell a lot of grass out there. And eventually get caught and got caught with two pounds. And so I did 256 days in jail under protest. I refused to bond reduction three separate times under protest until they released me on a Christmas Eve. And after that, I did five years of probation. I'm still a little bit upset about the weeks ago. So I ran for city council in my area and won on a cannabis ticket 72% of the vote. I'd be an 18 year incumbent. I also got thrown off that same city council. - I was gonna say, how long not know this about you? (laughing) - Yeah, I was a city councilman and I helped be criminalized while Missouri in the surrounding areas. There's areas that bring home legalization there in the areas, yeah. And I also, in order to get that done, I ran, I helped run with friends of mine, 10 other campaigns. And we took 11 of those city council seats home out of the 12. - Wow. - And that's how we did criminalize with one vote. - Wow, that's insane. What a great story. Oh, I had no idea. But it makes so much sense that I would have voted for you for sure. (laughing) - Well, I appreciate that. - Speaking of Missouri, you know, I've been talking about Missouri for a couple months now. And tell us, you know, last week when I did the show, we knew that the TRO had been filed and y'all were supposed to be in court Tuesday. I know the outcome. Let's tell the listeners what happened with that. - So it was an interesting scenario. As you know, Missouri hemp came under attack just like many states have. And it comes down to this really plant-on-plant crime. I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime. I never thought prohibition would wear the face of marijuana. - Right. - So we didn't necessarily see all that coming down here in Missouri. We thought federally legal THC, let's not whine about it. But we had some companies that wanted to go ahead and pitch a fit and hired their lobbyists to take our governor, who is our unelected governor, gave him a check for $50,000. And I'm not making this up. You've seen the news articles, Jen and Jen, and before I even get further into it, thank you so much for what you did down here. You helped give voice for what we've accomplished down here at the end of the day. So I want to say thank you for that. - Thank you for letting me because that's the whole point of the show is so that people know what's happening to them in their states. And what happens in Missouri affects Alabama. It affects every other state because when one state succeeds at corruption, the other states will fall in line. And that's my motivation. Plus, I have so many great friends in Missouri. I get some of my very best products from Missouri manufacturers. And it's important to me that my customers be able to have that continuity and me be able to give them the best that I can find without the interruption of a corrupt governor. - Yeah, and it's wild. As you know, in many of these states, the products that they use against us to carry their probabilistic behaviors are illicit marijuana products that have absolutely nothing to do with the hemp industry or the products that people are putting out there. In fact, it goes so far with these companies as to we have legislation that's built out that mirrors the legislation that they have built out with the exception of a monopoly where everything would go into the, and do the only 200 dispensaries that we have in Missouri. We have 10,000, 10,000 THC dispensaries in Missouri. When you count gas stations, you count everybody that's got cannabinoids inside of them. We're big, we do a big down here. And the truth is, truth is you can't smash 10,000 retailers worth of space into 200 dispensaries. It's trying to crush an industry that is flourishing. And I'll tell you this, Jen, no matter what happens in some of these states, some of these governors are making big mistakes out there and breaking the law and breaking, breaking, well, rules for them, right? It's laws and the citizens down here, but rules for them, you know, and I'll put it like this with hemp. Solve from Pineapple Express said, you can't put Pandora back in the box. You can't put PAPs, Lite and Coors and Joan Sota and Keith and all these other brands that are out there already operating and serving the masses, you can't put that back in the box. - Right, it's a farewell and what we sell is a federally protected commodity. It's not even considered a controlled substance, but that's what, I believe that that's what bothers these state-run cartels is the fact that in 18, when the farm bill was signed, it essentially legalized cannabis and created a free market because we both know the plant is the plant as the plant is the plant. And that's why you say plant on plant crime because it is, it's literally the people that we fought with that I know it is here. We fought for these people to win these licenses and now they're coming back to haunt us down almost and it's insane. You said 200 dispensaries. Alabama, if we ever stop suing each other, we will have 37 dispensaries for 67 counties. So I get, I get intimately what you mean because we've got more than that in hemp dispensaries now and we are today helping people in this state and have been for six years. I don't sell the kids. I don't have knock off lifesavers and skittles. I don't have things that are for children and I certainly don't serve them. You know, and I do know gas stations that do. I've watched the one in my neighborhood sell alcohol, nicotine, you know, ridiculously potent gas station crap quality products. When we come back from the break, Daniel, I want to talk a little bit more about the TRO because I don't want to leave that part out. But once we do that, we're going to, we're going to come back from the break. We're going to talk about the TRO and what that means, what's happened. It's a huge win for y'all. And hopefully that will trickle down to the rest of us and make some of our governors go, maybe I shouldn't do this. We, here in Alabama, we've got the Attorney General and the Health Department to do that. When we come back, we'll have more with Waxie Brown. Stay with us. (upbeat music) - Welcome back to Sweet Home, Alabama. Now with all the information you want about cannabis, here's your host, Jennifer Buser. - Welcome back everybody. I think we're having some technical difficulties with the live stream because we can't hear Daniel. Sorry Daniel, we're not sure what's going on, but Radio, you can hear us loud and clear. If you're watching and you want to, you can go to FM Talk 106.5 and listen while you watch. I think that's how Marty prefers to do it on her little speaker at home 'cause she says it sounds better. So let's try that and we're going to get back into this. Daniel, before we were talking about what's going on with Missouri, let's talk about the TRO and court Tuesday morning and what the outcome of that was. - Yeah, so you know what we were looking for in the end? Well, of course we were looking for no opposition, but when opposition shows its face, you've got to take it to the court sometimes. And so we were looking for that injunction from the judge, which we did not have to get because our, you know, in pig shot at the Mohan trade, pig shot at all the companies that put forward efforts to help make this happen. - Yes. - But the state came forward and basically DHS says, bow down, they said, listen, we understand now, we've made a mistake here. The products that we're going after are not these products that are going to be affected. We want to go after, you know, the fake Skittles, the fake, the adulterated products, they call it, but we all know where that all comes from the streets. So I'm going to have to-- - Well, and they were saying, you know, this initially happened and then they came back and said, well, after the Secretary of State said no can do, then they had that big thing and they held up the lifesavers and we all knew those were illegal weed products that are adulterated and it was more of a trademark issue. But I was like, yeah, but you're bleaching people's products that aren't lifesavers and Skittles knockoffs, they're legitimate hemp products. - And the problem there isn't just copyright, right? At the end of the day, it is safety. We do want to make sure that people are getting products that are tested. They're like, you know, I hate to say it, but I call it back-to-up products. You know, I call them products to come from-- - I do too. - Places that aren't environmentally safe for us to be making products, you know? - Right. - Go make something on your kitchen table if you want for yourself. - Well, that's why my gummies are made in a facility in Tampa or Michigan instead of in my back room because that's disgusting and I'm not a pro gummy maker. The problem is that a lot of people want to do good things, but there are bad actors in every single room and that when you have that kind of bad actor that comes in and can put things in products, you know, we've all been around for the research chemicals, we've all been around the K2 episode, we've all been around. So this isn't that. We're talking about plant-based products and that's what we need to stick to and we need legislation that backs that up, which includes things like age gating, things like packaging rules, things like, you know, all the things that protect people on copyrights and things like that, but at the end of the day, you can't ban her, that doesn't make any darn sense. - Well, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I know I'm sick of hearing how we're unregulated. When we've all, here in Alabama, they're in Missouri in every state I know of, we've begged for, let's make some rules then, let's set some rules. We follow them. I have a sign on my store, this is 21 and over. You know, I have all those things in place already, I always have. We're not the ones breaking the rules, you know? Like you said, like I said, it's the people that are just selling whatever. You know, let's make it 21, where any store that a child can walk into and even be exposed to these problems, products not gonna happen. You know, because kids don't, you know. - We see these problems happen with governors, right? Which our governor made in the legal move. Our attorney general said, "That's illegal, you can't do that." But the other states, they're trying to do this through other ways, through legislation, things like that. And it's just a very well known fact that in the United States of Missouri, or in the United States of Missouri, in the United States of America, particularly in Missouri, our house may very well do something silly, but our Senate is pro-farmer. And that's across the states, that's across every state. That's just how it works. - Right. - So, when you try and push these kind of, I'm gonna say it, they're clownish ideas, clownish ideals that interstate commerce doesn't matter, or that the idea of, you know, people being able to make money, a democracy, that those things don't matter. Well, they do. And at the end of the day, houses do silly things sometimes. I've seen it across the board. It's how we came up with all those crazy laws about, you know, not being able to take a donkey backwards down Main Street or whatever, that's not what it was. - Our ridiculous vape law that we've been fighting for years is a house bill. - Yeah, at the end of the day, Senate made good decisions. And the Senate made a good decision with the Farm Bill in 2018, they'll make a better decision when we back it up again with clarification, as well as changing the point 3% to the international standard of 1%. - Right, right, right. And that would make everybody's life easier, including the fiber guys and the hemp creek guys and all that, you know. - Reducing it to zero means everybody goes home. - And we can stop pretending like cannabis is a political word. All of these things are cannabis, let's just stop pretending like it's anything but. - Or a dirty word. - Right, that's gonna help a lot when we get this clarification, which we're going to get, I mean, almost at this point, doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on, both sides are signaling legalization, both sides are signaling supporting the Farm Bill. The Farm Bill, the people who call it a loophole, you can call me, I beg the differ, I've got proof that says that people inside that room know exactly what they were doing when they did it. - That's right. - We've gotta stop pretending like everybody knows better than the people who wrote the Farm Bill, the farmers. - Right, or the people like us who teach it and who know it and who know at least enough about each section of this industry, you know, that we know what we're talking about because this is our lives, our lives are intertwined. I had, I considered changing back to my maiden name when I got divorced and I was told by everybody, "You can't do that." Jennifer Boozer equals cannabis, no one will know who you are, you know, our lives are literally wound up in this plant and our mission to bring natural medicine to this country and to the world. And so, you know, we can't just let people bully us and push us around, we're protected, we have laws. That's why with the health department in Alabama, being the one to say, though, drinks and edibles are illegal and they won. And yet the state is taking it to the appeals court and said they'll go all the way to Supreme Court to run them into the ground. That's how they're gonna try to create precedence. That's the same basic thing your governor's trying to do. Somebody higher up stands up and goes, "Hey, here's a new rule, you know, suck it if you don't like it." - Isn't that why they're mad? Isn't that exactly why marijuana is mad? - Yes, they backed themselves, they backed themselves through their own legislation, their own advocacy and activism into a pharmaceutical nightmare. - And they limited themselves by limiting those licenses. - I'll say it out loud, people need to look at it like this, hemp equals recreational, marijuana equals pharmaceutical. It's just how it goes, how we're playing it out. - Yep, yep, you told me that a while back, 'cause I remember talking to you when this first started and you told me that. And I have, that has stuck with me, 'cause I think you're right, I think that's probably how it will be. - I mean, it's the only way it makes sense because you guys-- - Well, especially if they reschedule and make it prescribable, then none of us will be able to sell it unless it is on the hemp side. - Well, the truth is that's when Walmart's involved, that's when Walgreen's involved, that's why it's so important. - And that's when RJ Reynolds and, yeah, the bad actors who will do, I, my concern is that they will do to cannabis what they did to tobacco. And it will actually kill you and make you sick. - That's true. I, you know, we want normalization does mean that we want these plants inside nursing homes and Walgreens and Walmart. We do want it in there. We just don't want them to decimate what the traditional market has and the culture that we've built over the last few years, but our culture is also suspended by the fact that prohibition happened to all of us. We have so much to unwind and unfortunately the pharmaceutical conversation is one that we're going to have to have 'cause you're not finding enough suppositories and inhalers inside these dispensaries. I'll play that right now. - No, and in Alabama, I mean, I see just like in Mississippi, I don't know what products they offer in Missouri, but I know in Mississippi, they now have smokeable flour, they have dabs, they have vapes, they have all manner of edibles, they have as many varieties of products as we have, but Alabama will have capsules, tinctures, topical suppositories, I think patches, and I'm sure Marty will probably text me, I left something out, but I think maybe some sort of vaporizer or some sort of inhalant, but a super medical one, not a blazing ado, definitely not, not in Alabama, you'll just explode in Alabama. So yeah, our products are limited and we're only going to have 37 dispensaries for 67 counties, and I mean, it takes me, I'm at the bottom of the state, it takes me seven hours just to get near to the top. So there's a lot of folks that are going to drive hours and hours and it's going to be an even bigger expense and a trouble, I don't know how they're going to keep up. - Yeah, if you're after THC, it's everywhere to be found. If you're after supporting a certain brand that's in a marijuana shop, go ahead and go get that. Go get your weed, however you need to get it. Go see the traditional guy, go to Alabama, so wherever it is around the corner, you got to go get it, just get it, but please stop pretending like one of these things, one of these products in a room is a, is a, is a, some kind of false profit that we need to-- - Right, diet, weed, all that, like on Sesame Street, one of these things is not like the other and that funky little song they used to play. (laughing) That's so funny, now I, and now in my head, I'm going, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, (laughing) - See, that's the-- - I'm sorry. - It's obvious to the country right now that there is a movement by the marijuana industry to shut down the hemp industry and there's a movement by the hemp industry fledging because that's all we can do right now because a lot of states can't do much. There's a fledging movement of actual industrial hemp, but that's what guys, that's not gonna happen right away. We're talking about decades of work have to be put into that because we're just now lifting that prohibition as well. So we've gotta stop pretending like these farmers aren't out to eat and that we're not out to help them because God knows there's enough McDonald's in the room and enough hardies and Carl Juniors or whatever you're at down there in and out burger, there's enough of those guys keeping the farmers from eating already because McDonald's isn't running or buying their lettuce from farmer John down the street. They need ways to make money and part of that way they can make money is by us supporting what we're already doing, which is better decisions by not choosing alcohol, by not choosing other drugs, by choosing hemp and marijuana products, by choosing cannabis, we choose a healthier path. - Right, and so the moral of the story to this half of the show is that Missouri won huge win from Missouri hemp. We will see you right back in just a moment, more waxy brown. (upbeat music) - Welcome back to Sweet Home, Canada. Now with all the information you want about cannabis, here's your host, Jennifer Buser. - Welcome back everybody. We're talking tonight with my friend Daniel Jones, aka waxy brown. Let's get into the meaty topic. Let's talk about addiction for a minute. Tell us, Daniel, everybody knows I am a former opiate addict, so this is not something we're gonna be shy about. Tell us what your drug of choice was. - So, eight years in the end, I have to make excuses, I've learned not to do that, but eight years in the Navy, one thing that sailors get really good at, and all those wonderful ports and all those parties, is drinking. So alcohol, you know, it might sound like pushy, but that's it, you know, that's all is my... - No, I think that alcohol is one of the most dangerous things on the planet because it's so highly available everywhere. People do it around meals, they do it around celebrations, they do it to relieve stress, to sleep, they self-medicate, and the availability of it is catastrophic, but to me, what's crazy is it's the only controlled substance or intoxicating substance that when you say I don't drink, people want to know why. If you say I don't smoke meth, they don't go, oh, why not? Are you pregnant? - They don't say things, well, they don't say that to dudes, but you know what I mean. - But I haven't got that one. - They assume you're an alcoholic if you're a dude, and if you're not pregnant, then they assume you're an alcoholic if you're a woman, 'cause why wouldn't you? And try having the name Boozer and not being a drinker. (laughs) - Right. - You know, it's... - I was very blessed when I did have a pretty big lapse in judgment and made some silly decisions on alcohol, and I went to my team, and you know, I did the typical, you know, I'm sorry, guys, blah, blah, blah, but I also took it another step further with the advice of a lot of friends in my, a lot of veteran friends, big shots, Chris Wolfensbarger, Justin Trobres, Tim Harms, Dusty, all my friends out there that really stood up for me during that time and gave me a path, and one of those paths was going to the VA and saying I have a problem. And the VA, the Veterans Administration, is not the Veterans Administration of our grandparents, where they didn't take care of them. So, they did, they gave me a therapist, and I went through about six months of cognitive behavioral therapy, got a lot of really great tools, and you know, in the meantime, during that therapy, I unplugged from everything. I mean, work, I'm talking people... - I know, you did, you disappeared, and I'm worried about you. 'Cause we used to talk pretty regularly, and I would ask, I think I asked Justin a couple of times, I adore him, and he always, he still wants me to make medicated grits. (laughs) He does, you think he does. - He probably wants me to own a medicated waffle house, to be honest. - Yeah, yeah, well, just, that's how you went, during that retirement recovery, I was on the phone with Justin four or five times a day, he was really looking out for me, and part of that was, he knew that I didn't want to lose my creativity, and so we did a lot of sessions, and during recovery, about the new products that we put out, and when I got better, and decided to come out and show my face, we came out with some plans, and some really good products, and that's kind of how we responded to my addiction, and my recovery as a team was to get together, and do what we do best, which is be creative, put out a product, it's an alternative to whatever, took us off that rail, and get back on the bus, and that's what we've done with our new seltzer, BIS, which is a cold cannabis. - Cold cannabis, I love it. That's the same motivation for me, because I was three years clean, but in absolute misery, I was on all kinds of medications, I was 39 years old. You know, like, if this is the best it gets, come on, count me out pretty early, you know? Like, how can this be it? And it changed my life, and now I use it as a tool, just like you're using BIS as a tool, to give people with an alcohol problem, an alternative that can be socially acceptable. It's no different to hold up this can, and drink a THC lemonade, than it is to have a beer or a white call, or something like that, except we know those things will take us down a very different path from these THC beverages. - Jen, you know who was there for me every single, or at least every other day? My plug, my weed plug. My weed plug was always there for me. Whenever I even looked like I was gonna get low, looked like it was less than an ounce, throwing it on me. Dude, make sure you've got your system, keep that in your eyes, that's your direction. Like I had, I would not, I honestly say I'm a strong person, Jen, but I'm not sure that my recovery would be as wonderful and directional, if I didn't have the people supporting me. So that's a very blessed that way. And we want to spread those blessings by helping people also see a good light and a good path, and be able to make a couple good decisions in the day. - Right. Well, and-- - And that's what you're stories about. That's what you're stories about? - Right, exactly. We want people to have, there's lots of things, purposes that it serves. We want people to have a natural medicine option as a first resort and not a last resort. And we're working on that, you know? But we've been so brainwashed that anytime anything hurts or feels funnier, or goes wrong or isn't perfect, despite your diet and your activities, you go to the doctor and they give you a once-as-fits-all, and then it gets worse and worse. One prescription begets another. That was me, I was there, I was in recovery for three years, but in abject misery, and then the introduction of just high potency CBD, full spectrum, whole plant oil, changed my life in one day, and I happened to be recovering from a surgery and had had the only time I had opiates in the last 10 years, and I was very controlled about it, all that, and my listeners have heard me talk about this a bunch, but I was in a mild state of withdrawal after having had surgery, because that's what happened, your brain goes, "Hey girl, recognize this, we used to like this." And you're like, "No, no, no." And I'm like scribbling down, I took one pill at 3 p.m. because my pain was here at a level, 'cause I didn't want my husband to worry either. I knew that that was gonna be scary with my mom, you know? I was three years claiming that happened, and it just so happens that that's when I tried CBD, and that moment, it took that withdrawal that I was going through. Then I knew so well, and I was dreading, and it was gone, and I slept through the night, and I was like, "How can this be a real thing?" I hadn't felt like a normal 39-year-old person ever. I'm chronic pain patients since I was 15, so I didn't remember what feeling that decent felt like, and it was amazing, and yes, I want to give that to other people. Just like you want to be able to create these beverages, we love the idea of beverages, and now they're all the rage. So tell us a little bit more about this, and why you're so passionate about it. - So there's four of us in Biz. It's me, Justin, Tim Harms, my co-host from the Power Power Hour, and our buddy Tyler, and we come up with an absolutely wonderful answer to a lot of the beverages out there that's doing that thing, I support 'em. - Right. - I also support not putting a bunch of gross stuff inside these beverages as well. - Right. - You know, part of the deal behind this is, we're seven and a half milligrams, which, you know, when we were doing product, when we session smoke, you know how these things work, we talk about, you know, what's the right milligram? Well, we thought about it from a different perspective. Instead of just like regular doses, we thought, you know, what would a craft beer be? Because they're not still 4%, they're more 7% or 9%. And so we kind of went with that direction, and you know, everything that I do is gonna have a little bit of anautical twist being a Navy veteran, so. - Right. - This has got that really cool pirate look to it. It's a really cool slim can. Your audience can go to www.can-a-biz.com, can-a-biz.com, and check out the product and we'll have that per seo nationwide here, just in just a very short time. - Yes, that's why I asked them before we went on, like, when are these available? Because I don't wanna be able to say why I don't already have 'em. They're not quite available, but we absolutely plan on carrying them. - Just wait 'til you taste it. The flavor, we spent a lot of time in the lab trying to figure out this flavor, and we work with high-plane distillery, good friends of ours in the alcohol industry, who believe in good products as well, and they helped us for months get down and dial in these flavors, and we finally got to one with, when it hits your lips, I've not had a single person so far, and not go, oh man, that's the best one I've had yet. - Okay, 'cause I'm real picky so I can't wait to try it. I'm real picky. - Don't do my favorite. My favorite are the connoisseurs. I love impressing connoisseurs, and that's what we do with this. - Good, good. Well, I know, we have several. We have Laughing Lemonade, we have Delta, we have Mary Jones, which is the Jones Soda Company, we have their root beer. We can't hardly keep the root beer, and the Laughing Lemonade. The Laughing Lemonade is fun because it also has caffeine in it, so for us ladies who don't like to be too relaxed, because we have stuff to do, it really kind of gives you a great experience. And some of them, you know, like I even have five milligram drinks, I think that the five milligram are a great way to, instead of taking a six pack to the lake for five or six hours, take two or three of these, you know, I always have a great time, you won't beat anybody up, probably won't drown, and the next day you'll feel like a normal person. It's win, win, win. - I'll tell you another product I'm gonna have come in your way, Jen, we're releasing it November 2nd and our Dubis Cannabis Lounge Grand Opening. I've got the new Stoner Straw. This is straight from our, from our, for us, we came up with this, we teamed up with a wonderful pharmaceutical company, one of the good guys out of California who did a basically an aspirin straw for hospitals, and we said, "Can you do cannabis?" They said, "We need a THC all day." So I've got the Stoner Straw. You're gonna be able to put into any beverage you want to, anywhere you're at, put it in there for three minutes. It does its thing, and now you've got super nano THC right there on the spot wherever you're at, 10 milligrams. - And it tastes like whatever your favorite drink is. - We have different flavors coming out, too. We've had a fruit punch, they'll come out, we've got to have them coming out, but we'll do one flavor the first so that folks can just enjoy whatever beverage they want with an add 10 milligrams. - Right, oh, that's crazy. How many flavors? - That's, we're still in, some of that stuff's still in, you know how it worked out in the school. - Yeah, in the works, right. Well, keep us posted for sure. I'm fascinated. I have not heard of anything like this, and now I'm gonna be like, "Hey Daniel, hey Daniel, "Hey Daniel, what's the better?" - Oh, no, we're it. - I am ready to go on this. - Jen, remind me, I'm gonna get a couple of those in the mail for you tomorrow, send me a address, I'll get those out tomorrow. - Oh, that's awesome. - So I want you to be one of my first people to try it. You're gonna, your mind is gonna be blown. - I'm so excited. Thank you. - Yeah, this is how we should recover, Jen. - Yes. - And as we can, we recover by blossoming, we recover by growing, whether that's business or whether that's your backyard garden, you know, put your focus into something. For me, take that Canada's grind. - Right, and educating people, and just creating an atmosphere that is lacking in fear and stigma. You know, I think that's the most important thing about normalizing with education. When we come back from the break, we're gonna talk some more with Wexy Brown about recovery alternative drinks. Stay with us. (upbeat music) - Welcome back to Sweet Home, Canada. Now with all the information you want about cannabis, here's your host, Jennifer Booser. - Welcome back to the show tonight. We've been talking with Daniel Jones, aka Wexy Brown. And we were talking about addiction recovery and sobriety and THC beverages. Daniel, what does putting these drinks into bars and restaurants all over mean for people like us? I mean, besides, I mean, obviously, when you go to a bar to one of, I go to events all the time, I get invited to things, and it's got a huge amount of alcohol. We don't ever have alcohol at our events. Never had a 420 with a drop of alcohol. I don't think we need it. I don't plan to ever do it. Because it's not an alcohol festival, it's the cannabis festival. But tell me what putting drinks into bars and restaurants for people like us means to you. - Well, I'm going to ask you something real simple, Jen. And alcohol is what? - I can think of a lot of words. It's poison. - It's poison, it's poison, right? So every time we get one of these drinks inside a bar or a pub, we're replacing somebody's poison with water or maybe a little fruit juice or a lemonade or whatever that product is. Heck, maybe it's a soda pop. As much as I don't want to wrap a soda pop. I'd rather people go and have just a little bit of that than alcohol if possible. And here's the other thing. We could be warriors all day, Jen. But you know what's real? This new generation, they're not choosing booze. - No, they're not. No, I've been reading that. Less young people are drinking. And that is progress, my friend. - Yeah. And so if for one, okay, forget for a second that we're trying our gambit, darn this, excuse me, to legalize this plant. But also at the same time, the consumers are demanding it. So these companies, all we're doing really is we're rising up to a consumer demand. And lucky for us, finally, it's a consumer demand that's healthier than the latest sticky cereal or whatever the coolest hamburger helper is or whatever it is. People are making better decisions and we want to be there for that. The other part of that, like I said, every single one of these that we can sell is a beer or something else that's not sold. And I'm not here to judge people. I'm only here to let folks know that there are better choices, that we'll call them other, we'll call them other choices if you'd like to. - Yeah. - But the fact is we do love as Americans, we love choice, which is another reason why I can't understand why folks would try and legislatively or through corruption, try to shut these drinks down. - Right. - Because the marijuana companies can't, you know, they can't put a drink inside an Applebee's or a-- - Nope, they can't put anything in anywhere except for a dispensary. - Yeah, so why at the end of the day would we try and kill an industry all the way? It wasn't like we were the bad guys in the room, we were the only guys in the room. - That's right. - Yep. - So at the end of the day, it's really weird. But for me, people just want better choices. You know, your designated driver gets awful sick of that sprite. I'm just gonna say it. - Exactly. - And the water that they're giving them is trash. And guess what? They don't like you little spring water. They want better water too, while we're at it. - Well, and in my experience, and from what I've heard in NA meetings and all sorts of places, that a lot of people drink in a social setting because of social anxiety, or they walk into a bar for an event and they go by themselves and they're not super extroverted like us. You know, we don't meet strangers. But most people aren't like us. And they need to warm up. And a lot of people use alcohol to lubricate their personality because they feel insecure or they're anxious. They don't know how to just walk up to strangers and strike up a conversation. I get it, I get intimidated every once in a while. When I walk into a room, I get intimidated too. I understand that pounding of your heart and your inability to relax and enjoy yourself because it's just a, especially if you're in recovery and you're just standing there watching everybody drink. It's not okay, but you find yourself in these situations. - And I hate to say it, but our drink is pirate themed. We're not just gonna walk in and just be the other guys. We're gonna come in and take that shelf space. We're gonna come in, we're gonna own our waters and we're gonna keep going forward. No matter what kind of policies you throw in front of us, we're gonna figure out how to get past all that because prohibition never worked. For me at the end of the day, this is here to stay. And I'll tell you what, somebody sets a cannabis down, a cannabis. Other people don't notice it because it's a fire looking can. - And the name, I'm sorry, but a cannabis. I am done, every time I say it, I giggle a little because it's so stinking clever. I'm like, that's my boy right there. - I'll tell you what, man. A big shout out for everything that this thing, the look, all of it, the feel, all of it, Justin Trowbridge, Route 66 Labs. He's been putting me on for four years now, been backing itself from logo work, the website. And we just would not have these products if it wasn't for his thinking outside the box mentality. - Yeah, I was just trying to explain to Tyler, one of my producers, about the Gore Tatch movie. It's all made. (laughing) - Sometimes we get high and do things, and that's the problem side, like us. We make it a high idea, but the problem is, is that we're fully capable of implementing them, and that can be dangerous for all of us. - Right, right. As I said, I know Justin Trowbridge will probably personally make sure that I come out with Medicaid secrets. He mentions it every time. (laughing) - Yeah, you know, I really dig the support, but the truth is, I want these drinks everywhere, Jen. I want them in every gas station around the United States, and not just ours. You know, I've been fighting for this conversation for years now, and now that I finally have a reason through sobriety and through my own journey to put some, not only some energy, but some faith behind this. We're out here to make a wave with this drink. - Yeah, yeah, okay. What is your best advice for someone who is currently struggling, especially with alcohol? What would you say to someone if they said, "Dude, I am where you were." What's your advice? - You know, it goes like this for me. Every single thought, every craving. Put it on a, put it on a, a belt in front of you that's moving in front of you, and as those thoughts come out, like, I'd like to drink today. You don't have to finish that thought like that. You can put more to it. It's on an assembly line. Add more to it. You know, I'd like to get drunk today, but that would screw up my sobriety, or I'd like to get drunk today, but my child would not enjoy that. I'd like to get drunk to add on to these thoughts that we're thinking, because the truth is, if we can get ahold of ourselves, you get ahold of those thoughts, and add to them, add the parts that we know were coming. You know, I could do this bad thing today, or I could have this thought, but also make it go the other way too. - Right, no, exactly, you're exactly right, because I think, and I think there's, once you get through that first really awful week or two, like those are the worst, that's the worst of it. Once you sort of start to get a baseline of normal, even though it take like, I just quit sugar and coffee five weeks ago, and I'm still not normal. I feel like I'm going through withdrawal from pills again, because that's how addictive sugar is to the brain and the body, and I've been doing it for 46 years. You know, and I feel that, and the THC and the CBD that I used to stay clean all this time is helping me through those symptoms as well. - Yeah, that helps, I mean, another part is each of those cravings that people have, they're just like the cloud, right? And when those clouds go by, sometimes they're there for a little while, sometimes they go fast, but it's one thing-- - They will pass. - They never, never stick around. - That's right. - Yeah, so, you know, that's what we gotta hold on to, it's hold on to, hold on to the sunny part. Well, I find that once you get past the roughest beginning part, you are cognitively able to go, wow, look at the damage in my wake, and then when you find yourself in a craving situation or a social situation where you're tempted, it's, your brain is able to go, wait a minute, remember what we just went through to get away from that, and all the consequences, you know, and most of us are making amends and dealing with our shame and all that stuff, it's hard, you know, it's hard. - And I'll tell you another thing, Jen, at the end of the day, there's another little thing out there to help us decide cannabis, and I'm sure Alabama will get that conversation going soon, but still, aside, I've been a sweeping the nation, and it's here to save lives as well. - Yes, I agree, I agree, I agree. Well, thank you, my friend, I adore you, and I appreciate all the time that you, Justin, your crew, have been a help to us here at Sweet Home, Canada, we wouldn't be able to do the livestream like we have been lately without y'all's help, and so I just wanna say thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for your honesty, for your time and for your friendship. - We appreciate you, Jen, especially for your help down here. - Thank you so much, join us next week. We're gonna have Brett Warley from M.C. Nutraceuticals, the largest distribution distributor of cannabinoid products in the world, I'm told, and so thank you for being with us tonight, we're here every Monday night, we just want to dispel the myths, we want to end the stigma, we want to talk about how prohibition didn't work on any level, at any point in history, and it's not going to work now, we're gonna fight for that. God bless each of you, have a great week, good night. 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