It's PC here, mate. I saw a journalist on what's on to their phone. I'm just double checking your V8 booth night at Bathurst on the Thursday night October 10th. I'm assuming it's still 7.30 kick off at the Bathurst Memorial Entertainment Center. Gabe, you recognize only need a toilet because I only get one person there, so you better double check that. Anyway, tell me a hell of a night, buddy. Chew and A session for over an hour with the fans as well. Guys, anything else you want? Careful what you wish for, mate. It's gonna be no hard bars. We'll have a few laughs, crack a few jokes. You'll be boring. I'll be exciting. But that's okay. That's probably used to that. Anyway, oh, good mate. Look forward to it. Lots of stories, lots of bullshit. It should be a river of a night. Any good. Speak soon. A motorsport podcast network production. Hey, everyone. Welcome along, V8's live podcast powered by Castrol in 2024. Castrol's Red Joe to Oil is where you're instantly going to know the best Castrol product, to unlock the edge of performance in your car. Search for Red Joe the number two and oil, and find out more. Shane Rogers is with me. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. What oil is in your car? Because your car's been going for a very long time. It's got hundreds of thousands of kilometers on it. You need some Castrol in my friend. It's got some Castrol in it. It's got 590,000 Ks on it too. There's a stat that you didn't expect in the game. It's a lot of Ks. That's a lot of Ks. Hey, this episode, I thought we'd drag you back in because we're going to talk some history. We're going to talk some stats. And it is race week for the Sanddown 500. So I thought, well, let's go Sanddown 500 Flava. Because as you know, I am somewhat of a Sanddown 500 enthusiast. Tragic, tragic, tragic. Is this like the John Farm tour? Is this like the seventh last Sanddown 500? I've got a weird feeling. I have this weird feeling. It might be the last one. Because, I mean, there's a bit of rumblings going around at the moment. Look, we're recording this before race week, I must point out. So if anything happens in the meantime, that it's dated this, then it is. But if Queensland Raceway is going to get back onto the calendar next year, it's going to be that something drops and it might be that it's sand down. No round at all is sort of the whisper around at the moment, let alone no 500. So, which for a major Metro Melbourne circuit to not have around next year, if that's how it works out, stand back. Can you imagine, like it was, was it '97 where we had Wynton, Philippa, on Colter and Sanddown? And Albert Park. And Albert Park on the calendar? Yeah. So at the very start of 1997, you had the non-championship Albert Park, Round 1 at Colter, Round 2 at Phillip Island, Round 3 at Sanddown, Round 4 was in Tassie, Round 5 was at Wynton. Four of the first five championship rounds and five of the first six events that we had to because race that were in Victoria. And then there was the Sanddown 500 on top of that, on top of that later in the year. So, we could be in a situation, if there's no Sanddown on the calendar next year, in Vic, with no Wynton, that Albert Park will be the only place you could see supercast, that will be a joke, if that happens. Anyway, it's possible. Let's get into the Sanddown 500. We asked four questions, we've got the answers. Let's start with Lachlan Craven. What starting position has had the most win? So we're talking Sanddown Enduro. We're going right back to the six hour in 1964 because that's where it started. It's the 60th anniversary this year of the start of the Sanddown Endurance Classic. It doesn't mean there's been 60 of them because it's gone away a couple of times over the journey. I think it's the 50th running this year or 51st or whatever it might be. But what starting position has had the most win? Shane, surely pole position, surely. It's in Enduro. So, pole position is probably not the answer. It's actually second. So you don't want to start on pole? Not in this case. Fourteen times second has one exempting a few. That we haven't got some data on yet. 64 and 68? Yeah. Well, that's the thing too. So there's a couple of races where there's not clear data for. But it's going to need some checking of photos and all sorts of stuff. But in the early, early years, it wasn't qualifying. It was like Bethurst. Big cast out at the front, smaller cars, smaller cars, smaller cars. So it didn't matter how fast you were in practice. It didn't affect where you were in the grid. So when we've looked at this, 14 times maybe one or two others, but it's still the clear leader. Correct. So pole's only one at nine times. Pole on nine, third, eighth, and then six is next. We thought of third, third, third, eight times. Yeah. And then six has one four times. Really? Yeah. Now, the furthest back of winner has come from is the second part of Lachlan's question. And in the 500 era, that since 1984 when the track got lengthened and the race got lengthened, Johnson and Bao, '94, they started 15th on the grid because it had rained in qualifying. And they didn't jump at time in the weather knocked them out. But that's not actually the lowest grid position to win from. And having said that, remember that there was, I think it's 65 and I think 68, we might not have the grids for, full grids or even park grids. But the very first race Roberto, he was Dr. Roberto Busanello and Ralph Sachin and Elphur Julia, which lived on in Australia for many, many years. If I can balleratode it for a long time. Oh really? John Emery, who's son Richard's now the CEO of Hino, our great partners for the Supercast Tour this year. That Elphur started 21st on the grid because it was set by class. Set by class. Smaller car, further back on the grid. So hence why, but I would say for the Sand down 500, the furthest back is Johnson Bao. The fields weren't super deep in the Sand down 500 at various times. That's right. But it's a good point because 94 had actually got its back to its deepest because that was the year that Teager, the Tour and Car entrance group of Australia finally got itself all together and wrapped all of the teams and the membership together to go to John Davison as a collective and we're bringing this many cars as a group. So there was a guaranteed number to the promoter. Correct. Whereas before it was a bit higgled and higgledy. Yep. Everyone did their own thing because of course 94 was the first year Gibson motorsport race at Sand down since they won in 89. Yeah. They just decided not to run it every year. Whether it was, they want to do private testing, television was pretty meaningless. Television was meaningless. Yeah. I mean there was a couple of years where it was on one hour highlights on the ABC on a Sunday night. It just didn't froth them up enough to bother going. Yeah. So that means that the factory Nissan GT-R never raced at the Sand down 500. Never. Only the privateer car that won in 1991, the GIO car because the factory team's never ran in that whole period. So, yeah, there you go. So next question, Mick Jeffrey from X, the artist formerly known as Twitter. How many 500s held for championship points have actually completed the scheduled 161 laps? Now, there's been plenty of times. I think it's a common thread, isn't it, that the fans go Sand down every year. It's time certain. Why don't they start at earlier? Raw, Raw, Raw. Yes. The data doesn't tend to support the theory too much. It's time certain every year. No, it's certainly not time certain every year. It's since 2003, it's nine from 14 that have actually gone the scheduled 161. And I think there was one either it was one laps short. Last year it was three laps short, but there was that big delay with the Super 2 track repair. So, and then there was the two years where we had the big crashes at the end of the back straight. So they've all been weird things. Yeah. Weird things happen. Yeah, it's not. I mean, the challenge with these time certain races is everyone really hates them because they're advertised as laps and probably in some cases people aren't across the fact that it's going to go time certain until it's too late. So you get this whole, these three laps to go and they go, "Oh, hang on, it's time certain." Whereas... It was the whole time. It's just never been presented to you that way. Yeah, exactly. And that's right. But Sand down has had a history of chopped race distances. Wasn't there a race that started? Was it early '80s? '81? Was it '82? '82? It was a schedule 400, but it wasn't 400. No, it was scheduled for 110 laps in and around the television. Hang on, 110 times 3.1 is not 400. No, no, no. So this is not a new thing. Television has dictated the timing of races for years. It's not just supercars. It's not just the current era. It's been happening for years. I mean, and it's like when people blow up about the start time for Bathurst. The start time at Bathurst has changed from the '60s on... It started at 9am back in... Yeah. It was 9, 10, 90, 64. That was 9.30. That was 10 o'clock because it was foggy in '78. Yep. 10.30. It's moved forward because the cars have got faster. Yeah. And television, like at a lump. It's a huge part. The money that the TV networks pump into supercars and into this race in previous iterations is huge. Bathurst is a television event. Correct. Anyone who says it's all just made for TV? Yeah. Yeah. It's made for TV. Otherwise, it's not retail. Who's going and who cares about if you don't have it on TV? I know we're getting sidetracked here, but the quick one is that the Bathurst time thing, the reason why people get confused with tradition is because it stayed on 10 o'clock for a large period of time, but that included going from 500 miles to 1,000 Ks, and it included the introduction of the safety car. So the speed of the race didn't increase a lot in that time. So that's why we sort of got stuck on 10 for ages. And then now we've sort of migrated as the race has got... Yeah. And people... Look, supercars are guilty of a lot of things, but there's a lot that they're not. And... Oh, but it's only changed because of them. No, definitely. It's changed. But don't forget that supercars are an entity back to Ovesco. It's been around since 1997. That's nearly 30 years. Yep, that's nearly half of the history of the Bathurst 1,000. That's scary, isn't it? Well, it's not scary. It's fact. Oh, well, yeah. And that's why... Oh, but in their time, they have now run this event. I mean, ARDC was 63 to 98 for the 2-liter race. So what's that? 20... You did it, Matthew. You're the number by 25. 25, yeah. Supercars have been around doing it longer than ARDC. Yeah. You did it. Yeah. That's what it is. For the record, for all the races that have benefited from Ovesco's involvement, this is the one. Because this is the one that used to be the poor child of the Bathurst 1,000. But now all the stars are Bathurst. All right, this race. Yeah, that's been the case for a long time. Yeah. And really, that goes back to what we started the point on in '94, which is before Supercars or Ovesco. TIGA was a partner of Ovesco. But yeah, from that point onwards, all of the main gamers were there from '94 onwards. So it wasn't a case of Longhurst, BMW's are only there some years and the Nissans aren't there and all that. So let's get... Next question is from Matthew Davis. And this is a cracker. So which car / chassis has won the 500 or the San Antonio the most? Ah, so there's the actual physical car. There's three that have won twice. There's the Afro-Mau Julia that won in '64 and '65 with Gardener and Bartlett. Same car. So Frank Gardener and Kevin Bartlett won in '65 in Alec Mildred's alpha. Yep. Yep. Yep. And then the 20.05 AAA car, AAA 0101 with Lounds and Muller in 2005. And then in '07 with Craig and Jamie. As a Vodafone car. Yep. Not the car that won Bathurst because they'd have you to brand new car. That's for Bathurst in '07. Yep. Yep. And then recently, more recently, AAA chassis 37. Dumbbrella wind cup, two in a row, 13 and 14. Red Bull racing Australia. Dumbbrella was at the time. So yeah, there's a couple of trio of cars there that are preferred. That alpha, I think I mentioned before, did live in Australia for a long time in Ballarat actually. I remember it being at the '94 race because that was the 30th anniversary celebration. It lives overseas now. It was sold overseas some years ago. So which corner of the earth it is, you know, I'm not sure these days but certainly those other cars, the AAA cars are very much still around. Matthew's got a second part of the question though and I can answer this one. He said, "Is the sleuth still working towards a book about this track and event as hinted in the pod about how V8 sleuth started?" Well, no, I'm not working on it at the moment per se but fair to say that at some point in the chat, there will be a sand down history book on, I want to focus it on the enduro but maybe it ends up being a sand down holistic thing, I'm not sure, but there's so much going on at the moment with the Melbourne Racing Club of boards and board members and who's doing what we're a time keeper. I'd be reluctant to comment on that because by the time this podcast goes to Ariel will probably change again. And that's exactly why I didn't go into the specifics. But Matthew, congratulations, you haven't won anything but you are, you have asked what I think is our city rural question of the week because anything that's to do with chassis is close to my heart. So you are our city rural question that we can city rural insurance brokers. They've been around, by the way, since 1995, the same year that Larry and Russell weren't at the mountain but who wanted sand down in '95? Oh, did you put me on the spot? Johnson bow. Back to back. So Dick had it won the race for years. And then one time. Flight goes open, one two on the road. It's how it sort of tends to work, isn't it? But city rural can help you with your insurance for business, transport, trades, farming. You're a farmer, aren't you? You farm the numbers. I farm numbers. I'm not sure that's real farming. And much, much more. You can talk to the city rural team now. Grab a quote, jump online, cityrural.au. They are your insurance pit crew. Matthew Davis with our city rural question of the week. Justin Olin, next up, he's got the, well, I was going to say the new ball, but it's a slightly useful now that we're just getting into the pod. He's coming in off a long run here. How many times has the 7 out of 500 not gone to full race distance? And he said, look, let's keep it simple. Let's count it from the 500 kilometer era onwards, which is 1984. How many times has it not gone all the way? So the answer to that question is it's not gone all the way eight times. So that's 25.8% of the time. It hasn't gone the whole distance. Yeah. So the first time it didn't go. So let's be, hang on, you're going negative. 25% of the time it hasn't. So 75% of the time. It has. Yes. Correct. And the first time it didn't go the whole way was 92, where they ran 136 laps. But that wasn't scheduled to go 161 anyway. I was scheduled to be 150, which was what was put in the, in the regs. But there was a five o'clock cut off imposed by the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency. And it was wet. So they got 136 laps in, didn't you say? Yeah. It's about 420 kilometers. But here's the thing. So we've got a longer cut off now at Sandin. I think it's six o'clock now. I think there's a special existence for all the 500. The last year they snuck it out a little bit to get it closer to six o'clock. Yeah. But yeah, they've been those years that we mentioned earlier in the pod. So Justin's question is similar to mix from earlier, but it's talking about the 500. Whereas Mick was focusing on the championship point era since it's been around a bit. A lot of people forget that it was around the championship in '76 and '77, the year that the Enduros, Barbathos, were concurrently part of the structure of that championship and the endurance or championship of makes or whatever it was called at a time. So that's just one of those scenarios. But around this video last week on our Facebook page, in '92, I think it depends on your lens. I don't think of, I've ran it short or they did this or that. So here's the thing, if that race runs long, Larry Perkins picks off Paul Morris after a great battle with 14 laps to go, drives off and wins by 20 seconds. That's not as good a finish. So we, I mean, if you didn't see it, jump on our Facebook page, go and look it up. Larry Perkins, Paul Morris, Commodore versus BMW, closing stages of the 1992 drink drive Sand down 500, it's cracking stuff, it's classic David and Goliath, V8 versus 4-cylinder, heavy car versus light car, young bloke versus older bloke. The send that Morris does at turn one when he's trying to get the lead. He gets the lead back. I thought Bill Hagen's going to have a hard take in the commentary box because that was an epic piece of motor racing TV and it doesn't get celebrated like the Bathurst things do. No. But I thought that was fantastic. That's one of my great memories of Sand down history for sure. Will Tatnel asks, "Hi guys, loving your work on the podcast." In 1993, when one of the HRT boys threw the bucket of water on Thomas Mazzier's windscreen, did it ever incur a penalty for the car or the team aside from having to deal with the smash windscreen? No. No, there was no race control penalty. No, they got a penalty. The penalty was they had to come in. No, they got a penalty. What do you mean? They got a penalty. What was it? They got to stop going. No, they had to come in and remove the rear windscreen. No, and they got to stop going. They got to stop going. I didn't remember that. Yeah, yeah. It's in the database too. No, no, no. Must be right. The pit stop for removing the front of the rear windscreen was 97 seconds. Yeah. I just remember grass helping swoosh the grass away trying not to get it. I remember Brock doing the interview on the TV going, "You was a bad idea and I was about the car patello." Well, they had done it before it smashed it. Yeah. They were going back to the well for another crack at it from my memory. I think that already. But I think the previous year at Bathurst, the GIO Nissan had the same issue. But Gibbs, I think it was Mark Gibbs driving, drove up alongside the pit wall and slowed down to almost a stop or very slow. So they just pulled the bucket on so he could get the wiper going to try to clear the speed screen. But these guys threw a full bucket of water, water going one way, race car coming the other way. How was it going? It was very lifting. Nope. Nope. It was done. Yeah. I was going to say no penalty. No, no. It was so penalty. There was a stop or penalty in the database. Yeah. Okay. Well, it must be true because we don't put it there for no reason. Aaron Gray's question. What drivers or driver pairings have been the most successful at Sanddown? Pairings. It's a wind cup and dumbbell of one three times. Yeah. Yeah. And twice in the one car as we've already covered off before. So apart from them, though, then there's a couple of trio. There's a trio of duos. Yep. Three of two. Three times two. Who got it done twice. Yep. But none of them are going to get to three because Johnson and Bower, they're not doing another one. Nope. Lounds of Murphy. They're not doing another one and Lounds of wind cup could do another one, but I don't think they're going to do another one because I think Craig's going to be gone before Jamie's not driving a Red Bull car. Jamie might be the new Craig. He might be the lead man for a wildcard in the future. But right now, he is absolutely a great co-driver material. And what I'm hearing from Queensland raceway testing bang got back in the car straight. On it? Yeah, straight on it, which is not exactly. Not a shock. Not a shock. Not a shock. Brendan Baker should Sanddown be retro round and should super to be retro round as well at Sanddown. And so this is a bit of a three part banger question. The co-driver and main grid races on the Saturday come back as well for the Sanddown 500. Let's enter the co-drive one first. I've, you know what, I don't think it's going to be an issue moving forward. Would I want to see? Because I don't think we're going to have Sanddown 500. At the bend 500, do I want to see a qualifying group of races on Saturday? No. Do I want to see a shootout at the bend? First, it's given it's a new home for the 500. Look, I was against the quality races on Saturday purely because of the way that they were structured and it was always badly done. Is it a race? Does it count? Is it worth a race win? Is it not? Is it a grid position? Seriously, they just kept getting themselves muddled, muddled up. So if you're going to do it for the bend, I'd be up for it because otherwise, Saturday at the bend to have a qualifying and a shootout on a long lap that's a minute 40, or whatever it is. It probably does. It does. It does really exciting. So I'd probably, I'd be against the qualifying race if we're a Sanddown 500. I like the shootout. We've got history of it. At the bend, we don't have any history. So do two qualifying races. Make them for points. Make them count. Make them be. If you win one of those races, it's a race win in the championship history books and all that stuff. Yeah. I'd be all right with it. I'm old school. I just top 10 shoot out race, but. But I think we've got to take away the top 10 shoot outs from everybody around. Every round of the round. Just put them in the back. Yeah. I think we're on board. Exactly. Tell you what, the thought process of, should Sanddown be retro round? Absolutely. Regardless of if it's a 500 or a sprint round or whatever it is, if it's on the calendar, I think we need to do a retro round. And some teams are doing different deliveries and other things. It's very hard. I mean, they actually had to ride it in the rules to make everyone do it in the correct you see. Correct. It costs money. That's. And money doesn't go. We love these things to happen, but you've got to understand someone has to pay for it. And the challenge with retro round is does retro round give you new fans? Oh, I'd argue that we've got to do more things to keep the current ones. Yeah, OK. You can't abandon the current fans and the longtime fans and chase the new ones and lose on both. I would, you know, let's say we see a situation where we don't have Sanddown, then which venue does the retro round? See, I think it works at Sanddown. Yeah. See, I don't think it fits at others. I'd like it to be heartland, like Wynton or... But you don't have a Wynton? You don't have a Wynton round either. So what do you do? Yeah. I'm sure. It's a retro I think is hard to do because it costs costs. You can't do it. You can't do it. And it doesn't move the needle enough. No, and look, it's great that Jack Perkins has done his deliveries that he's done in the past. He's got the connection to the history, all that stuff. He's got great partners who see the value in it and understand it and get it, but not everyone can do that. I want to see... I want to see him pay a fine in cherry wraps. I'd bet he gets to do it. But that's another story for another time. I like that. I like that. Hey, tell your story for another time. It's Thursday, September 12th, the week of the Sand Down 500. We've got a live podcast on, by the way. I'll be doing a live podcast. Won't be recorded. It's live. We've got to come along to actually hear the podcast. And it's at a Tickford Racing autograph signing session at Auto Barn in Moraben in Kingston Plaza. So Southeast Suburbs in Melbourne. 288 Centered Antinone Road for those who are wondering. Just need to grab an airport. Need a Larry's old joint. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Perkins workshop. All four drivers from Tickford will be there. James Mulford, Thomas Randall, and Tyler Abraham, loads of giveaways, heaps of stuff to give away. This is not going to be your normal sign the poster, say hello, smile, driver's lever store. We're going to have a pile of fun with this. This is going to be great fun. So it's from 4.30pm on Thursday, September 12th this week, Sand Down 500 race week, piles of giveaways at Auto Barn. It's going to be pile of fun. So it's Auto Barn, Moraben, Kingston Plaza, LivePod, I'll be changing all the boys, ask him all the hard questions, giving away stuff. It's going to be good. Lock it in. Come along. It's a good way to start your Sand Down 500 race week experience, I think is the best way to put it. Trent Erza, interesting question made me dig a little bit question. How many lap one safety cars have there been at the Sand Down 500? And what's the longest safety car, period? Not counting red flags. Oh, I don't think we can do the longest period. The data isn't complete from whenever the safety car first appeared in a Sand Down 500 early '90s, it starts to get better from the mid '90s, but it's a bit incomplete. But lap ones we can do. So '97 was a safety car start. It was wet. Yeah. So they started it behind the safety car, I think two laps, and then they let them go from there. And the question is, how many lap one safety cars have there been at that counts? That's one. Lap one was under safety car. And then 2004? Oh, that was David Bernard in the WPS Falcon off the road, it turned one into Mard. Yeah. First of about five times WPS cars went off in the grass and got booked and caused safety cars that day. Yep. And then 2016, which was the Golding. Oh, the Volvo at the back, into the back straight, straight defence, which led to a red flag off the back of the safety car. Oh, two, one thing called traditional about Sand Down is that area that is where Bernard went off the track has always been muddy. Two, one. Yeah. Has always been muddy. Like before it was turn one, when it was the paddock, it was muddy. Like it's been muddy forever. Yeah. Well, and remember that turn, there was a period where you could see that old bitumen of the old, from the run, from the old turn one up to the old turn two. You could see that bit of bitumen that the current track bypasses, but over time it's been grown over. And there's not much of the old Sand Down, I mean, the infield, it's pretty much gone. Yep. There's just that little part of the little left hand off the back straight. We'll get to that later in a later question. But yeah, there's this, it used to physically be there because I remember when the superbikes supported the 500 in 92, they used field circuit, the bikes raised on the infield. So, yeah, there's some of those little odds and ends that if you go digging deep enough, you'll find some remnants of Sand Down's past. I think Mark Walker did a really great piece of our colleague on the RaceTalk website. Last year earlier this year, he went around Sand Down and found all these old things that you can't really see on TV. Yep. Well worth a look. Google it. It's a good story. Scott Van Kalken, sorry, Scott, if I've butchered your name, did Todd Hazlewood race in the Dunlop Series and the Sand Down 500, why isn't Jack Perkins allowed to race in the Super 2 round? Ah, that's correct. I mean, Hazlewood crashed and then did the Sand Down 500 in the game. Well, I think Hazlewood got sent to the war, but by Jonathan Webb was probably there. Yes, yes. The scenario. I think did the Super 2 round. And then actually got into his Dunlop Series car, what an hour later or whatever it was. Yep, exactly. So the reason why Jack can't run is it's not a specific rule that says you can't do both. It's a rule that says if you're going to do both, you have to have done a percentage of or all of it's buried a bit over the years of the previous rounds of Super 2. So you have to... To running the endurance. Yep. To running the Dunlop rounds that run at endurance events. Yeah. Which for years was just bathers. Yep. Because the Sand Down 500 didn't have a Super 2 round after that 2016 or something like that. So it's about Super cars basically saying if you're a genuine Super 2 entrant and you're supporting the series, then that's fine. But if you are essentially running as a Super 2 one-off for the weekend, you can't. It was essentially just to stop illegal testing. It's to stop the main game teams throwing cash at putting endurance co-drivers in as a one-off. And creating an extra co-driver session effectively. Yeah. And of course, some teams can do that and other teams can't do that, whether it's a budget or a possibility. So yes, Todd Hazlewood could do it then because he was a full-time entrant in the series. Now Craig Condo's got a linking question that the Todd Hazlewood 2017 crash, which was the cool drive, BJ Arcar, end of the back straight, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yep. Over over over. Does the chassis still live? Well, good news and bad news. Good news. Last time I asked about this in 2020, that chassis had been reborn, like the chassis, yep. None of the panels or the engine or anything, it had been turned into a sim by Tony Woodward. Tony's been at BJ AR for a long time now. He is Andre Heimgartner's race engineer on the number eight car. Back in 2020 during COVID times, there's a story about this. I think we've read some photos of it, how it looked at the time. I'm pretty sure he's still got it, but we might have to check up with him on that because... Oh, I think he's still got it. I've got a funny feeling he does, but that's what happened. It hasn't been cut up and junked. There have been a few BJ AR carothed future chassis over time that have been junked. I think a few of them are still sitting out. It's actually interesting. A recent phenomenon, probably last three, four, five years, is a few chassis that were part because they were junked, and they weren't sent to a metal recycling factory or anything like that. People have looked at it in the corner and gone, that large poly twisted metal in the corner. I think we can fix that. Usually it involves chopping most of that twisted metal away at the whole poly and going, 'Til I've fixed it, you know, I can't imagine you one, but you know, it's a new old, it's an old you, whatever. The super cheap Porto TCR Australia series is heading to Sydney for its next round of turbos spinning front wheel driving tintop action. It's on October 19 and 20 at Sydney Motorsport Park as part of race Sydney. You can watch it alive and free on 7+ or grab your tickets now. Get trackside by at motorsportickets.com.au Ray Dredge, his question is what's the ultimate decision that killed the Sandown track extension? He said, I think he's confused, he says that he knows it was extended for the World Tour in Car Championship. It was actually for the World War One. Well, it was for Formula One, but it was actually used by the World Sports Carrot and Type Championship. Yeah. World Endurance Championship for what you like. He said, 'Look, it wasn't clearly popular drivers, but it looked good on TV.' Well, I think what ultimately killed it was the fact that everyone hated it. It was built because it got the track to the international standard 3.9 kilometres to be able to host major international events. With the view that the whole Formula One thing was bubbling, of course it ended up in Adelaide. It gave us the 84 Sandown 1000 or Sports Carrot race, which basically put the light car club of Australia, Melbourne Branch to the brink, and then just to finish themselves off, they went back and forth years later and ran it again with South of Mercedes and Silk Cut Jags. Cool cars, amazing that they were here, but it didn't seem to be. You know what I'd like to see. Sorry, we didn't answer the question. Why did they actually remove it? So they brought the original, you know, the track we used now back in '89. Yeah. So the World Sports Car thing had no good. Formula One, no good. So there was not going to be an international event there, so let's go back to the big banger pad said. Yeah, and then what eventually killed it is in 2001, the horse racing people redeveloped the horse racing track, and that's what killed it. So they realigned the last little corner sequence there as well. They built a second track. So Sandown has two horse racing tracks. So if you look at a horse racing guide for any stand on the face, this is probably my expertise rather than yours, but you'll see Sandown's listed the Sandown hillside or Sandown lakeside in form guides. Two tracks. It's two tracks. So with one really wide main straight, they just moved the rail as they need to. And the benefit of that is because they've got two tracks, they can run more race meetings and more race meetings means more turnover, which links into this whole debate about whether you get rid of Sandown, because it's such a good track, because it's such a good worker or so over winter, because it doesn't get many race meetings cancelled because they can spread the load over the two tracks. So that redevelopment was done in 2001, was finished in 2003. So when you see... I remember the... Was it '02? It was '02. The track in the last little section, that little right left, it's a bit faster and shorter than it used to be. And that was for that. So there's... the lakeside track is the original track, and the hillside track is the one that goes around the outside of that track. And there's a third track called the Steeplechach track, which we don't use anymore, because we don't do horse racing over her jumps. And there is your guide to Sandown horses. Yes, but when I first did the notes for that, I said, "Why don't you use the track anymore?" And I wrote, "It sucked." And the question answered there, that is the end of the answer. David Roberts, "Did Mike Raymond commentate for the ABC on any other occasion other than the '76 Hang 10/400?" Now, David, I don't think so. I'm not sure what the story was of why Mike was part of that. It's kind of just before he pops up on Seven at Bathurst, I think, for a memory. Yep. He was around the Seven World at the time. Why he did that one, how he did that one. I'm not sure. I've seen the vision. I was on one of those classic Aussie touring car DVDs that Chevron put out years ago, but if he did some other ABC, I'm not aware of it. Dan Anthony, what's your favourite Sandown 500? Being a HRT fan back in the day, he's his 2003. Had a bit of everything. Of course, Mark Scavitt, Todd Kelly. Get the win after that last minute fight between Mark and Jason Richards and the team dynamic car that ends up with JR in the sand with busted steering. What's my favourite Sandown 500? Jeez, it's hard to pick one. No, only two's up there. Good finish. No, only two's a big one. Not just because of the finish. I think what it meant for the time, it was kind of the rebirth of the 500. It was the first for the winged five-year car, so we were getting there was two HRT cars and one of Glen Seton's Falcons. Yep, not every top-to-line team was there, but the Heartland Melbourne teams were the Ford, Falcon was back, the V8 battle was returning, Sandown 500 nearly died. I mean, in 1991, there was 15 cars on the grid, a one-hour A/B/C/TV. Fast forward to 92, Davo took the approach to put the Prody cars in, which a lot of people went for. Didn't like it. Yeah. That'll be bad. Topped up the field. I think he got 27 cars the next year or thereabouts. I've done a story on our website about it. And the key was on SBS, full-race life, four hours or something of TV covering, which Will Dale here in our office reminds me he never got to see because SBS at the time wasn't in every corner of Australia. So I think for all those reasons and the finish, I would say 92, 86 is special because it was the first one I went to, but 97 was special because it was Brock's last one and it was massive. It was people. Yeah. I was there. The race itself wasn't flash because it was wet and it was just a miserable day, really for rain. But one of the overviewed races that I would put in my favorite Sandown 500 list was 2001. Oh. It was the production by the Pro-Car Nations Cup GTP era, a peroxide blonde young chap, me. Well, I thought you were talking about Sandown 500, doing the pit lane for the PA and the winning Ferrari, the John Bauer Ferrari at one point had a quick flash fire in a pit stop. Oh, yeah. And I was very nearby. And this before the days of everyone wearing overalls on all that for reporters and all that sort of stuff, wearing race suits and stuff. So that got my attention, but my bad choice of hair, probably. I was going to say. Yeah. He's one of his attention more than anything. We all have regrets. 92 for you. Any others? I had a six. Yeah. Actually. Yeah, that's a really good point. That gets forgotten about. So, you know, Brydie held on at the end, Kelly's chasing him down, that was a good finish. That, and that had a lot of background, that event with the swaps between HRT and HSB dealer team. There's a lot of ill will in the paddock and a lot of people went tuck, tuck, tuck, when the number two HRT car broke. Now, Cooper Murray made a shootout in his first round. In Darwin earlier this year. That's right. He was the last person. I know this, because I was in that team that year. Ryan Briscoe. Correct. 2006. On debut. Yeah. Co-driving with Jimmy Richards. And Ryan, actually, the bit that everyone remembers he making a shootout, he was fast and qualifying. Yep. And everyone, hang on. Yeah. I mean, Ryan's a ripper. We should get him on the pod one day. Lovely bloke. One of the nicest blokes I've ever worked with in race, because I was PRing for HRT at the time, and just a delight to deal with lovely bloke, great steer, very accomplished in so many race cars now, but a great guy. So, yeah. I don't think anyone was shocked though, because I mean, he was a Toyota Formula One test driver. I mean, Indy cars, IMSA, IRL, Champ car. It's funny though. All those guys that come from overseas though, they just don't get any attention while they're over there. So they come back. Like, Ingalls is another good example of a guy who went overseas. Yeah. They come back and everyone goes, "How good's this guy?" Yeah. But it was like... Yeah, yeah. Exactly. And he was always. And that was born out of scape dipping out on Courtney, because Courtney went inside for stone. So he went right. Who's the other young gun over... Oh, Brisco. Yep. Absolutely. And... But the thing was, he was never going to get pole position in that shootout. Because? Because there was a two grid place penalty or three grid place. Oh, that's right. He came in over his head from something he didn't call for. He started ninth. He called it... He was seventh in the shot. At best, he could start third. But anyway, a couple of our favourite memories from the San Antonio 500... Can I ask one more question at the end? I don't get... You do not get to ask questions. I'm excited. You are here to provide answers. This is a request. This is a request. From who? From... From social friends on Reddit. Oh, God. They're special if they're on Reddit. There is a very supercars group on Reddit. And it's actually a lot of people who are just getting into the sport from the US and a few others. They've... And the question was asked. It was Santa. How many altars did Kelly Racing build? And I've got... The answer is nine. Yeah, I think it's nine. Yeah. Nine chassis. Now, there was a tenth... There was a tenth and an eleventh, but they eventually got turned into Mustangs before they... They didn't have any Nissan... One of the Nissan's was reborn as a Mustang. Yup. But yeah, you're right. There were a couple of... But officially nine. Yeah. And I think there was one of them that was... Mine had been and this had had they pressed on with building the chassis, but it never got to the point of... And it got to the... You know, what's the word? Nissanized. Yup. So yes, there were quite a few altars and pretty much all of them are still around in various shapes and forms. Yup. Yup. So there you go. For our new listeners. Hi Reddit. Yeah, there you go. There you go. There you go. Something special to add into the end. Hey. Thank you. Thank you. Much appreciated. Love a bit of sand out of the 500 history. Thanks everyone for sending in the questions. We really appreciate it. Big weekend. I've had a few emails in the past about it. I can't do anything about it. It's not my job. It's not my job. It's not my job. It's not my job. It's not my job. It's not my job. It's not my job. It's not the first CDN 500 not on Friday where television. No. There have been some in the past. And there was no option to pay for it and watch it. No. Correct. You couldn't get it even if you wanted to. Tomorrow. After this end of the year, it's not the first CDN 500 not on Friday where television. It's not the first CDN 500 not on Friday where television. No. There have been some in the past. This is Thursday, September 12. Come and see us down at Audubar Maraben Kingston Plaza without live podcasts with the Tickford Racing team. Piles of giveaways at 288 Centeredan in on road. Thank you again to Cast Drive. We've been awesome supporters of us. In 2024, remember Red Joe to oil. Get on their website. Red Joe, the number two, and oil and find out more. And we've got plenty coming up. It's a busy time of year with the Great Race at Bathurst with Sandown, the Gold Coast Adelaide. It's a great time to be in supercast and motorsport. So stick with us. Lots of head on the V8s with podcasting upcoming weeks. Thanks for tuning in. Enjoy your Sandown 500 and we'll chat with you again next week. The National Motor Racing Museum is a must see if you're in the central west of New South Wales. It's on the outside of Murray's Corner at the famous Mount Panorama in Bathurst and celebrates the rich history of Australian motorsport. 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