Okay, this episode was originally going to be an All Calls show. And then we ended up not taking calls and just talking about stuff instead. What kind of stuff, you ask? We talk a lot about Ghostbusters, Weird Al, the United States of Pornography, tabletop roleplaying and fantasy novels.
TADPOG: Tyler and Dave Play Old Games
Ep. 293 – The All Calls Show Without Calls
Hi there, listener. You're about to experience Tadpog, Tyler and Dave played games, and there will be plenty of game talk. But also, copious amounts of crude, off-color, offensive, and immature speech. So if you are of a rather sensitive, humor constitution, or just letting you know what you're in for with this show, it has games. It has jokes. You know, just games and jokes. Take the games, take the jokes, and have a good time. Hello Internet, and welcome to another Tadpog podcast. It's a show that it's still, for now, it's happening twice a week. You're teasing them. I'm teasing them. It happened twice a week. It's Monday. Happy Wednesday. Oh, shit. It's other truly, true other shit Monday. Yeah, we're going off. We're going totally off the scale. Totally. Who knows? Who knows where we're going to wind up. It's a prank call, old elementary school teachers. You know what? Have you ever wondered how many of your teachers are dead now that you've had throughout the... Yeah, it's kind of a depressing thought. And I also wonder how, like, when I was a kid, my teachers all seem really old. But now that I'm in my 30s, I'm like, oh, yeah, some of those teachers were my age now. I can think of a handful of teachers I had that were in their 30s. You have a lot of older teachers. A lot of older teachers. Yeah. For the most part, I mean, maybe in high school, it was a little closer, but like, elementary school, middle school was, like, pretty much all older people. Really? Yeah. They seemed to have gotten older for me when I was in high school. But like, when I was in second grade, third grade, like, I had a string of teachers that were pregnant, like having their first babies, I remember, so... Oh, Max, I remember my kindergarten teacher, she had to be in her 40s. My first grade teacher had to be in her 60s. It was a fireman. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember, like, Ms. Michaela was old as shit back then. So like... So she's dead. Yeah, she's got to be dead. No, there's no doubt that she's dead. We're actually broadcasting live from her grave site. And then Ms. Prater was pretty old. My second second grade teacher, like, she's more than likely she's dead now. If she's not, it's any day now. That sounds like a Christian transformer. Prater. Let's see. In third grade, she's still alive. She was in her 40s. Her son graduated with me, so she's still alive. She was one of my favorite teachers ever, Ms. Luka. Fourth grade? I'm having fourth grade. No, no, no, no. I had her in fourth grade. No, no, no. She's dead. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. People writing this down, for Phil writing this down. My third grade teacher was also probably in her 40s. Hated her. Hated her. Still hated her, folded her to high school. Like, we still gave each other, like, dirty, dirty glances. Like, this woman and I, even like, I don't know, what kind of person makes an enemy out of a third grader? What happened? Like, man, she was just always just so, I remember just so fucking mean. Like, my parents, like, I'd never been a problem kid. But like, this teacher, we had multiple meetings. And yeah, it was just, it was just bad. It was just bad. And every other year, totally fine. Fourth grade, perfect. Fifth grade, fine. Just third grade. Third grade was awful, because this woman and I were just, no, not having it. So she's alive. She's, yeah, she's alive. For those playing at home. Sadly, she's still alive. So we could prank call her if you want. That'd be great. You want to look her up real quick? I'm friend of their daughter on Facebook. So what's your mom's phone number? How's her daughter? Pretty nice. Her daughter's pretty great. Yeah. Yeah, she's pretty great. Well, that's good. So she must have a good dad, that's what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Basically, everybody else loves this woman. Yeah. Everyone at like, so they're favorite teachers. And if I ever got her in high school, I'm immediately transferred out of her class, immediately. You think your mortal enemy is just from like a former life or something like that? Maybe. It's got to be carried over. But let's see. We got some talking points. Yeah, since you saw him, I don't know. I mean, I don't know how, how those would go. Okay. We also, we got a package from Tony. We got some calls. Yeah. And we do have a package. Yeah, which we really need to open because I think I'm sorry, Tony's feelings were hurt that we didn't open his package last time. He apparently, he sent this before Phil had sent his. So there's a letter. So here's a letter. Dear Tyler and Dave, I thought I would send you guys a taste of the Mid-Atlantic enclosed. You will find several examples of my favorite snacks from Hairs. H-E-R-R. Hairs. Just a box of Hairs. Hairs, potato chip company. Okay. As well as from Utz to compare. Hairs and Utz. Utz? Utz. Utz. I'm from out in there. Utz. Utz, Utz. I wanted to say thank you for all the hard work work. Now, just thank you for all the hard work. You guys are putting in your fabulous dicks are huge. And like four to many more excellent episodes in the future. I think I'm going to change how I vote based on that. I mean, they feel good. It's okay. I tell people I'm for Bernie Sanders, but I'm voting for him. It's fine. Look, if any of the any of the candidates ever are like, hey, this guy's got a big one. I'll probably vote for him. I've seen a few political cartoons with like people leaning over, which one had the biggest dick again? Okay. With love from Maryland, Tony, small sketch of a penis. Okay. PS play star control for the Genesis star control for the Genesis. It's got to be better than Evo. All right. So the first one I pulled out here. Jalapeno, Jalapeno, I believe. Hey, there's Jalapeno poppers flavored cheese curls. And for the morale's, morale's my rouse, who we're talking about is his wife made a comment like, are they just reading off the ingredients for snack foods? Yeah. Yep. That's what we do. So we got to continue that. She didn't say at least they're funny. So that's, that's the point we're doing better than I thought. So what's in that? Do you think anything? It's a brave ice cold. Any chocolate? What are these stuff? Cornmeal, vegetable oil, bateaux dextrin. Yeah. Yeah. These are from the flat man. I'm not filled. Bato sodium glutamate, MSG. Not feeling the goofs. What's, what's the calorie cow in these? Let's see. Certain says it's one ounce. Okay. About 15 curls in this bag are about two. And each serving is 160 calories. There's two curls in there. Just two giant curls, two ounces. All right. And go hand this over there to you. I've taken a, taking the route of not eating a whole lot on Sundays now. Okay. I don't like Cheetos. These are pretty good. These are good. These are pretty good. You know what? I need to redact because remember when we did, you remember when we talked about our buddy Chester Cheetos? Uh-huh. I talked about not getting Cheetos that much. I actually like them. Okay. Nikki brought home a bag. It was weird. It was like, because I even asked her, I was like, she brought a bag home like probably just a week after we did the Chester Cheetah game. Yeah. And I was like, are you listening to the show again or something? She's like, no, I just want a Cheetos. I'm like, well, let me try these Cheetos. Yeah. All right. And they're pretty. They're not that bad. Because I forget what the year is. Like every seven years or so, your taste change. So maybe, maybe your taste went down back to the down. Cheetos back in, man. Okay. These are good. I like these. All right. Now, hairs, air, old Bay season cheese curls, oven baked with real cheese. This one, same about the same calories, 160 per 15 curls, two servings. Cheese curl, a genuine old Bay. Are you familiar with old Bay? I've heard Tony talk about old Bay a lot. Old Bay is good shit. What is it? It's just a seasoning? It's a seasoning. Yeah. It's a very, it's a very distinct seasoning. It's huge in Maryland, all over the East and Sea Board, really. Okay. Is it like spicy or anything or a little bit, a little bit. Are you familiar with Tony's seasoning? Not impresario Tony, but like like a New Orleans seasoning? I don't think so. I'd be interested in getting some cheese curls with some Tony's. Let me try this old Bay. Very different from the last cheese curl. Yeah. Also, also good. I also enjoy it. Makes it. Yeah. I'm so used to old Bay with seafood. Like it immediately makes me like feel like I'm tasting seafood. Yeah. But good. Makes me want some crab or something. Okay. I see this in here, Dave. This is great. This is for you. He has included a frame picture of Dave's favorite picture of all time. This is going to be on my desk at work. That is not a joke. I don't have any photographs of my wife or my child at work, but I'm going to have this. Which it was what we, the original picture was seen on like deviant art of like Garfield and his big belly. And it's Garfield wearing like Tobias style short denim shorts and his big belly is hanging over his shorts. And he's very, looks very upset about these holding in his stomach. So then Tony photo shoved in just this giant orange dick of the shorts. It's a great picture. I know it's in the show notes before. Play it a few times. Oh, I'm going to put it in the show notes for for this episode. If you, if you want to see this, I'm going to take a photograph of this before I put it on my desk at work. So, tadbug.com. Thank you, Tony. This is amazing. Garfield and his big wiener by Tony. I'm going to mix this one up in the middle. The next one is Uts. Uts. Uts. The crab chip potato chips. The crab chip. The crab chip. Oh, I know that brand because of the girl on it. What's up, I want to hear? Yep. Yeah, okay. She's Uts. That girl's so Uts. Flowing Uts. My leap should fly on grappling Uts. Alright. Try the crab chip. With Chesapeake Bay crab seasoning. Okay. I'm not a big fan of these. Yeah, I like these. To me, it feels like it's it's a little too subtle for a potato chip. Okay. See, I like that though. Because like, I don't know, I want to try that old bay and some actual seafood, I guess, because it felt in those cheese curls, it was like overpowering. Next time I have a kitchen workout with all my stuff, I'll make I'll make something with it. Okay, these are good. I like these. Uts. Uts. Alright, so then I'll vary it up again with hairs, kettle-cooked, jalapeno flavored. Doesn't say what they are, but their potato chips. It's just things. You open it, it's just like things flavored jalapeno. It's like a toy soldier. Yeah, paperclip. One of those little fortune-telling things the girls make out of paper. Yeah. What's your favorite color? B-L-U-E? Oh, you're going to marry the really gross girl and have 18 kids. Kettle-cooked. I do like kettle-cooked. These are good. Yeah. They taste like the jalapeno kind we normally have. Yeah, ketchup. I can't remember what brand it is. Yeah. Good though. I think that might actually be just be kettle-cooked brand. Is that a brand? I think it's kettle-brand. Yeah. Kettle-brand, that's it. Yeah, these are good. I like these. I don't really like potato chips now that aren't either baked or kettle-cooked. And the last and this wonderful package, I got to say, Tony bringing it really strong. Old Bay season potato chips. Pears. Pears. Pears. Smells good. These are 150 per ounce. Any funny ingredients in there? Oh, shit. Choise potatoes. Knuckle-bone. I like those more than crab chips. The flavor is shortly stronger. Yeah, so I like it more so you don't like it as much. Yeah, it's a little too strong for me. I like them better than the cheese curls though. See, I've spent most of my youth working in silver mines, so my sense of taste has been dulled. Little them back. Now you're working the amoebo mine. That joke's stolen from that's however many days to die in the West that-- Oh yeah, I haven't seen that yet. I enjoyed it actually. I'd like to. That's what-- Seth McFarland. Seth McFarland, yep, and Charlie's Theron, and Neil Patrick Harris. The grass taste. Almost. I think Ralph Garman is in that as well. The guy who created all the MAP systems, all the GPS systems. Yes. Ralph Garman. Mr. Garman. Jokes on jokes on dad jokes. But thank Tony, that was not a dud in the bunch. No, it was good. That was good, and thanks Tony, you're really going to confuse all of my co-workers, and I appreciate it. Well, what do you want to start out with now? You want to talk? Yeah, let's talk. Just talk. We just will never just sit on just talking. We really don't. You're joking, but we really do not. This is our opportunity to just talk about things. It was actually really cool, because we both showed up at the high rise at the same time, and I felt like we had a very real moment, because we both just got out of our cars. We just happened to both get here at the same exact time. We got out of our cars, and you're like, "Zap." It's like, "Yeah, this feels like college." I'm like, "This doesn't feel right if there's McFarland out in front of me. I'm sorry. Can I go inside?" Yeah, and then we walked in silence into Ryan's house, the stairs. All right. There's a segment where every now and then, it's pretty rare, but every now and then, we make mistakes on the show. What? Every now and then, we make mistakes on the show, and sometimes it's brought to my attention. Sometimes I just realize it myself. Two things I realized myself. Last episode, I referenced a guy in a, I referenced someone named John Caliendo, not a person. Maybe it's a person. It's got to be a person. He's a real estate agent Tucson, but what I meant to say was Frank Caliendo, a dude from MattTV. I mixed him up with John Madden, who he's famous for. His most famous character, yeah. So my apologies to you, Mr. Caliendo, I'm sure. Now, this is a cleared up. You can come on the show. That would be pretty cool. That's why he was going to schedule to come on. It didn't back out. No, it's bad news, and also, because I felt, honestly, I felt bad about this. When we talk about workaholics, and of course, the three ninjas grow up and become the guys from workaholics, I felt really bad that I could not remember the name of the third guy. Fluffy hair. So I had to look it up. Blake? Yes, Blake Ann or so. I felt bad about that. So I wanted to like, I want to start with the name that sticks with you. No, it's fine. When I realized his name, it's like, oh, right, Blake, I should probably probably know that because of Oathbreaker, Blake Woods, but whatever. I'll remember him when he remembers the listen. It's fine. It's fine. I forgot to read, man, who I did. I got it. I got it earful on Tadpuncha about things. Transgressions that have occurred. One of those transgressions was that exalted Lord Mike of Purdue had posted a would you rather on Facebook, and I think I saw him post this while I was at work. And sometimes what happens is when I see a post at work, I don't reply to it because you're at work. Because I'm at work. So I guess I'd like to read that on the show so that we can figure out. So it's going to take me a moment to find it because I'm super prepared. So for him to go out of his way, this must be good. Everyone brace yourself for what is surely a legendary just would you rather of such epic proportions. It's going to blow our minds and your minds. Quite possibly the greatest question to decide between two different factors, both equally so painful and torturous that has come just straight straight off the dome of exalted Lord Mike of Purdue. Yeah, keep going. I haven't found it yet. Okay, seriously scrolling on your iPad. I see so many scrolls going up and down and sideways pokes with your fingers. I can only imagine you finger a girl like a boss with those those your manual dexterity. If only all vaginas are flat. I can't fucking find it. I can't fucking find it. Well, the best of what you ever ever lost the time. It is. It's lost the time. Okay, here we go. Tyler, Dave, you ready for the best one ever? Best ever. Everybody sit down, put in some headphones. If you're listening out loud, it's going to be it's going to be solid. And I actually did reply to this on Facebook the next day. I guess that wasn't good enough for him. So exalted Lord Mike, if I'm reading the wrong, would you rather let me know? But he asks, so I will. He will. Yeah. Tyler and Dave, would you rather eat Phil's bars or Micah's spam? I don't want to influence you, so I won't tell you what I said. I feel like Micah's spam was better, but didn't make me feel as bad. Or like they tasted better, but I felt worse after. Where I guess Phil's stuff tasted worse, but it's made of things that are more wholesome so I didn't feel bad afterward. So it's hard because it's pretty much a toss up. Like psychologically, you didn't feel as bad or physical. My tummy. Yeah. My tum tums. You're tired of fertilizing your stomach lining. Yeah. Because they take how much you're supposed to have normal bowel movements and the rarity of diarrhea and just switch that up for me. And that's just how it is. I'm surprised when I'd like, I don't have to area today's going to be a good day. I'm going to have to say Phil's wholesome snacks. In my 20s, I would have said spam. In my 30s, I have to go wholesome snacks. They were both awful, but I had to go with Phil's as well. Just because, man, maybe if that spam, I hear if we had cooked that spam, it would have been a different story. I do remember fried spam being totally different. I was going to say I would try that, but I don't really want to try it. I feel like if I say I would try that, then someone's going to request that we eat fried spam. I don't even want to try it. If we want to set up like an omelet station, and the next tadpog annex we have, we'll set up like an omelet station where somebody who wants to try a fried spam can come in, fry it live on the air and serve it to us, and then we'll eat it. It'll be great. That's our actual entree at tadpog problem, which we haven't mentioned in a while. Yeah, the spam station. All manner of spam and spam sandwiches. Just, you know, it's best for an orgy if you just really eat a lot of spam and get that spam sheen to your body. Spam and kettle chips. And finally, I offended somebody. What? I offended Sandwich Pope Phil. I did not include the drawing that he did of Dix on the back of the quiz that we took last episode. So that's going to be in the show notes. I do not know if that's going to go on Facebook or not because of all the nannas and the gram grams. So I don't know. I need to sort of that tadpog Instagram. Yeah. And then put all these on there too. I'm assuming you could have it. I know you can't have nudes on Instagram. Can you not? I think you can't on Twitter, but not on Instagram. So we're out and watch that. Well, you can on Twitter. Yeah, there was that big series. I remember I was watching Chelsea does on Netflix. Yeah. And she thanked the CEO of Twitter for leading her be naked there because she tried to post a picture of herself topless posing like Vladimir Putin. And they got it got taken down on Instagram. So when's a tadpog Snapchat when we doing that? Shit. Man, it's a hole. It's a hole. Man, it's a hole in a cantaloupe there, man. And tadpog pearscope. I had I had Snapchat for a little while just because like, I don't know what this is. I'm going to get it. Yeah. And then when Terry read a Facebook, I want to see titties. I'm getting it. I saw nothing. But then again, like going to people on my friends list were Jacob's roommate Lee and Taryn. Yeah. Well, one of those people probably probably would be down Lee Lee put your tits in camera. We really know you're not listening, but Jacob might tell you. So those check the show notes. I'll put Phil's dicks in the show notes. And if I'm feeling if I'm feeling frisky, I'll put it on Facebook and tag fill in it. And his wife just in case Phil doesn't get it immediately. So then Bulbasaur will get it and then she can alert, feel like, Hey, look, it's here. It'd be like Christmas. She'll appreciate being a part of the moment. Let's celebrate this over lunch today. Good break. Bring our son to the office. And we'll all look at this while we eat sandwiches. And Kettle Cook, old Bay season chips and Oregon. They don't even know what old Bay is. They don't have bays in Oregon. No, they're all new bays, actually. I posted a video on Phil's wall that the the it was game theory. Now it's film another channel film theory that Matt Pat does where he broke down where the Simpsons must be located, where Springfield must be. And it was a very compelling argument breaking all the facts that weren't clearly jokes. And he was able to narrow it down to Oregon, where it has to be, which is where Matt Graining is from. So it makes sense. That makes sense. Is there Springfield, Oregon? I don't know. Maybe. Well, there's I mean, I'm just going to poke a big old hole in that theory. Does that remember him being on Portlandia? Matt Grunning was sweet, which I either didn't know it was him or haven't seen that season yet. It was because a guy wanted to make a spin-off Simpsons T-shirt about Bart Scobson, because he's really into scum music. No, I haven't seen this for many too. I'm behind on Portland. I need to catch up. So then they get in a copyright battle over who has rights to the Simpsons. Awesome. Yes. I need to see this. That's all the things. That's all the things that we fucked up. Okay. That's pretty just last week. Pretty good. We're doing good. But what else is on your mind? I have something that's really on my mind. What really grinds your gears, Dave? This doesn't grind my gears. I just don't understand it. Okay. So the-- Lasers. Lasers. What are some of the lasers? Would T-shirts underneath them? What are we? Chuck Woolery? What's going on? Do you know that there's a Ghostbusters movie that's coming out? Uh-huh. I do. The all girl. Yeah. The Ghostbusters. The female cast. Which, that was a big deal. I remember when that was announced, people kind of got upset. Which, I feel like the female members of the SNL cast are probably just more marketable. Like, because their movies are good. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that the female cast is stronger than the male cast of SNL right now, honestly. I think you're, I completely agree with you. Yeah. So it makes sense to me. So like, and that's always just kind of my thing where it's like, I mean, it just kind of makes sense to me that it would be an all female cast. Because if they're picking from SNL cast and I were doing it, I'd be like, oh, I want the funny ones, please, in the movie. If that would be great if I could have the funny ones. But there's a new trailer that came out this week. And the internet fucking hates it. I knew it was out because when I logged in to Facebook, that's all my feed was, was just post after post after post about how horrible this trailer is. And I watched it. I didn't think it was that bad. I didn't think it was that bad. I'm with you. I didn't, I liked it on the fact that trailers now, I feel like give away way too much of the movie, way, way, way too much. And I feel like watching that, I feel like it didn't give away a lot. You know, it gave you enough and enough funny things and an introduction. Like I was, I'm totally okay with that trailer. And I will go see Ghostbusters like in, I'll go see it in the theater. Yeah, I will too. I don't, and I don't know. I don't understand. I honestly don't. I don't understand. Like, I really want to know what people didn't like about it because I think it's just, I guess it's just a difference in taste. And it's like something that can't be explained because like when I- Is it a total revamping of the Ghostbusters series or is it just like, are we imagining like if they were actually, if it didn't happen in the 80s, if it happened now and if they were girls and- Well, in the trailer they talk. The part of the trailer that I didn't like is like the real sad like piano music, like the Final Fantasy 9 style. It's like, oh, it's so sad 20 years ago this happened. So like, so we know that the movies happen. Like the two, like this is in canon. So this isn't like a reboot, although I think it would have been interesting if they totally made it in set in the 80s. I think that would be really neat. Still, yeah. Well, I mean, because also like they've been trying to get another Ghostbusters movie made for so long. So long. Do you remember when the first person shooter Ghostbusters game came out? The final thought on that was there's is going to be no Ghostbusters 3 ever. So enjoy this game. Yeah. That was that was the thought behind that. Yeah. And I played it and I was like, well, I mean, so many, so many different like rumors that like a script had actually been written. Everybody was on board except Bill Murray. Yeah. And then Bill Murray, then he agreed to do it, but he had to die in the first five minutes or something like that. And then when he'll Ramis died, then it was like, okay, now that's it. There's no more Ghostbusters. So everybody wants more Ghostbusters. So like, this is the only way we were going to get it. You know, do you think that's do you think that's maybe where some of the bad feelings are coming from? Like the lack of interest from Bill Murray and then the death of Ramis and all like, do you think like that has a lot to do with it? Are they getting made period? No, of just like the reaction to this new movie. I think a lot of people probably like, yeah, I think it's like spoiling a good lineage and like, of course, I mean, Ghostbusters like, I've, I feel like I watched the second one. I could spend a number of years, but it was still good. Everything's still good about it. So like, did it need to be redone? I mean, no, but I feel like the franchise wasn't done. No. Like, it's, it's a, it's one where like a third one coming out to make it a trilogy would not have been beating a dead horse. No, no, no, no, no. No, I think the, the desire for another movie was there and is there, but it is kind of weird when it's like, there's so long a time, because like the longer you wait to make the new Ghostbusters movie, like the bigger and better it has to be. It's like fucking Star Wars. It's like, the hype was built up for so long, these prequels. Like, I remember when I was a kid and hearing, oh yeah, well, you know how a new hope is episode four, George Lucas has written three movies prior to this and we'll never get to see it. And like, ever since that seed was like planted in my mind as a kid, it's like, oh my God, I'm going to go my entire life and not know the, what happens in the first three episodes. And then they announce a new hope and it's like, holy shit, go crazy over it. I can't wait to see this. And then it's like, just because I feel like those movies are bad. I feel very confident to say that those prequel movies are not good movies. But I think they're made worse because like I had been looking forward to that and dreaming of what that could be for years, a really long time. And I think that might be what's going on with with Ghostbusters as well. It's one of those things where it's like, I saw, I remember seeing Ghostbusters 2 in the theaters. And I, since then, have been like, oh, I can't wait for the next Ghostbusters movie. And then now it's happening. And I, maybe it helps that I do not have my hopes up at all for the movie. And I don't really, I'm not like a die hard Ghostbusters fan. Like, I love Ghostbusters, but I'm not like, I don't know, I don't have, I don't have like a Ghostbusters tattoo or anything. You know, I mean, it's just kind of like, yeah, I enjoy this. But I treat it as a comedy. And I guess like with comedies, I don't really have that need for there to be a great story or, you know. The cartoon was a bigger part of my life than the movies were. And the cartoon was bad. Oh, I love the cartoon. Shit, man. The real Ghostbusters are just Ghostbusters, the one with the gorilla in it. Oh, no, no, no. Not that when I found out you're like, what? What is, what the shit is this? Wait, so you didn't see it? You didn't see it as a kid? I saw the one with the gorilla. No. Oh, man, that was confusing as fuck as a kid. Because I remember like on Saturday morning, at some point, I could be wrong. And the internet will prove me wrong. But I feel like at one point in time, on Saturday mornings, the real Ghostbusters was on one channel. And then the Ghostbusters, the one with the gorilla, was on another. And I remember getting confused as a kid at one point and like, all right, Ghostbusters, what happened to Slimer? Was Slimer a gorilla before he died? And then that confused me about the cartoon, like the real Ghostbusters cartoon. I was like, are they not even going to explain why Slimer is like their sidekick now? They're just like, hey, he's just hanging out. Okay, it's fine. He's like the chosen one, like out of all the ghosts. Like he is the one we're not going to fuck with. Is he like, he's got to be the equivalent, like in Django Unchained, the black slaver? Yeah. Like, is that what he is? Is he like the turn to ghosts? Yeah, probably. You know what they say about John Belushi? He is the turncoat of ghosts. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. That's Jim. Yeah. And not even dead yet. Still the turncoat of ghosts. I'm at comedians. Did I say go? Human beings. Just hearing David Cross. God talk about Jim Belushi. It just makes you just like, man, that guy just sounds so awful. Yeah, I know. But I don't know. I think the reaction has got to be just because it's mostly because it's a female cast. Yeah. Had it come out and it been, I feel like there would have been a less harsh reaction had it been Channing Tatum, Jonah Hill, Andy Samberg, Seth Rogan, and Seth Rogan. Yeah, there would have been like, I bet still a negative reaction. Yeah. But it would have been less. Yeah. Well, it did kind of feel, I mean, honestly, like I do think that when it was announced that there was an all female cast, I didn't have a problem with it being an all female cast. I did have a problem. And I've, I've said this before on the show, like I don't like it when it feels like it's being done as part of a marketing move. And that's kind of how I took it at first. I was like, oh, they're just doing it to be like to sell this as a progressive ghostbusters. And then the more I thought about it, I did, you know, I started to think, well, you know, everyone in that cast is funny. I'm not, I'm not a huge fan of all of them, but they're all, I will say that they're all funny. And it just makes sense. It like seems like that is a good cast to, to sell a movie has nothing to do with their gender. Leslie Jones, I think is going to make this movie. Yep. Just like I think she is, she is like one of my favorite cast members on SNL. I haven't watched any of this this year. So I hope she's still all still on it. She is. But like every, every fucking sketch that she is in, I think she steals it. No, I love Leslie Jones. She steals the show. So I don't know. I've heard people say that the comedy in the trailer seems kind of like lowbrow. And I agree with that. I do think it kind of, does seem lowbrow, but I don't really think that the comedy in Ghostbusters was really high. It wasn't. No. I'm with you. And then, just, I don't know, it's hard for me to pay down when it started, but I feel like, at least in my memory, whenever Adam Corolla came out just saying that female comedians were not as funny. Yeah. Girls, by nature, were not as funny as men. And I feel like that's when there were sort of this heavy kickback to like, you're fucking wrong. Yeah. And then that's when I feel like there was just this huge stream of female comedic talent that has been like, that's fucking on point. Like, I think I'm with you that I think the female talent on SNL is stronger. I think there's so much like, and just female stand up. Yeah. I feel like there's a ton of super solid, really great female standup coming out. Like, I do feel like there didn't used to be. And I don't think that's because women aren't funny. I feel like that's more of just, it's a male dominated, right? And I think it's harder for a female comic to rise. Yeah, me thinking back, like before Amy Schumer and Nikki Glazer, Eliza Schlesinger, like, I'm trying to think back like, okay, Rita Rudner. All right, that was a long fucking time ago. Paul Poundstone. And it feels like there's just like, there's in my memory, there's a huge fucking gap between Paula Poundstone and Amy Schumer. Yeah. Well, one of them is really funny. I'll let you figure out which one. I am honestly, I'm a little burned out of Melissa McCarthy. Yeah. But I love Kristen Wiig and you're right, I love, you just said it now, it's not Leslie Jones. Leslie Jones. And then I think, I think the funniest person on SNL right now is Kate McKinnon. Yeah. I think Kate McKinnon, everything she does, all her impressions, everything. Kate McKinnon is amazing. Yeah. Kristen Wiig, I think is my least favorite out of that, out of that lineup. But honestly, like, I loved her in that trailer. And I think she's going to be good in the movie. Like I have faith that that. So are they all parallel to the original four? Are you saying that because there's one black person? Well, yeah. Yeah. And I thought Kate McKinnon was supposed to be Egon. Yeah. But then again, Kate McKinnon's character, I mean, Kristen Wiig's character is like the genius, like the mathematical calculus genius that. But I guess that could be Ray. I don't know. It does kind of seem like they're paralleling it, but I don't know at the same time. Jones's Winston just because they're the black touchstone character that keeps them grounded in reality. Exactly. Well, and just like in the original Ghostbusters, like the Ray, Egon, and Peter form the Ghostbusters, and then Winston comes along and applies and gets a job. And it's like, it seems like that's how it is in the trailer too, because you see the three women, the three white women. And then you see Leslie Jones's character. I think work, you know, some way. Yeah, come in to do comes in or do PR. Yeah. Talk to people. So yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I hope that I'm looking at the IMDB cast and for the new movie, the new movie, and they don't have roles listed, but credited cast, Sigourney Weaver, Bill Murray, Annie Potts, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson. Can I tell you, I'm super excited about Annie Potts because like that's not a joke. I mean, we claimed her dead a year ago. She's a ghost. She's a ghost of this movie. They got a buster. Although who I'm I am sad to not see. Slimer. Not the gorilla. Rick Moranis. Oh, yeah, he's done. I don't see him listed. He's he's I'd heard he retired, but then I also heard like he was in for another ghost busters. Like he'd signed on like his kids were grown. Yeah. He didn't have to take care of them. Like because his wife died, right? His wife died from cancer and he retired to take care of his kids. Yeah. Do not see him listed. I would love to see him in a movie again. I think that would be John Gotti ghost credited. Who is that? Who plays John Gotti ghost? John Gotti's ghost. It was a John Gotti's just John Gotti ghost. So Arthur Heel, congratulations on being John Gotti ghost. Yes, we know you live with the show is Blake Anderson in the movie. I don't see him, but how about Frank Kelly and Phil Skippy Adams on the show as scared NYC pedestrian, uncredited. I'm going I'm going deep. I'm going deep. Jonathan Brandis. Jonathan Brandis ghost. I remember the what's the last thing you remember Jonathan Brandis being in? I remember him being in like a Christmas movie with Jessica Beale. That's the last thing I remember him being in. Who's who's I have to look it up? Who's playing Bob's ghostly? Louis C K his Bob's ghostly. That's great. I'm I'm I'm totally on board. Jonathan Taylor Thomas. Okay. Where are you my friend? Jonathan Taylor Thomas. What brought that on? Is he in this movie? Well, you'd you'd asked if you just made a comment about him beyond, didn't you? Jonathan Brandis. Jonathan Brandis, never mind. Jonathan Taylor Thomas. Same thing. He was on Tim, Tim Allen's show. Interesting. Last man standing. They're bringing it back. Do you think they're slowly bringing home improvement back? They're just going to get like one cast member of the other. Yeah. Otherwise, it's just like little things here and there. He was on Smallville for a few episodes. Pretty much. Yeah. He's basically done. Who did he play in Smallville? A villain. He and the kid who plays his older brother in home improvement. Wait, what? They were both in Smallville at the same time. Please tell me they played their characters from home improvement. Who like got like superpowers or like one of Tim's. Man, I feel like they were in the same episode like they were in different episodes and came together in the same episode. Did Jill defeat them? Well, yeah, through the power of mother. I thought one had fire powers and one had ice powers. I feel like. Yeah. And then yeah, they were able to take down Freddy and Jason. Oh, man. Smallville. Something I missed out on completely. He was a big character in the wild Thornberries. Did not know that. I heard rhythm master Paul Corn told me that the Hey Arnold movie got green lit or something. Oh, man. I'm not really super. I maybe saw like one episode of Hey Arnold. I fucking loved a man because I know there was a show that was supposed to go to MTV and be at the Patackeys and about a high school college age Helga. But they thought it was too dark and canceled it. Honestly, like I have nothing. I have no I have no feelings about that show. But I do remember when Rin and Stimpy went to MTV and it was not good. It was just it was just different. It was it felt just like when Doug went to ABC. Yeah, that was so bad. And it's like they just made these weird like right out of the gate, they made really weird art direction choices where they're like, yeah, well, we got to make this our own. We just got to randomly change the color palette of this entire show and I don't know. Roger Claude's wins the lottery becomes a billionaire and petty mayonnaise cuts her hair. Pixie cut. There you go. Well, they wanted to pick up where Roseanne left off. This is the animated continuation of Roseanne. You're welcome. Still frustrated. Still so frustrated. I'd actually I would the kickstart. I'd pay money to a kickstarter for the animated continuation of Roseanne. It's like clerks, but that's exactly what I was thinking. It's clerks the animated series. Do you have that by the way? Do you have that still or did you sell it with your big old bin full of DVDs for clerks? Yeah, I don't have it anymore. And that sucks. I can get it, but I've been looking for a Blu-ray version, but I do not think that they've released it and hide out. I doubt it. It's a bummer. So yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I like the new Gus Buster's trailer. And I say this. I like it. No, I think it'll be good. I say I'm not saying I'm sorry to you. I'm saying I'm sorry to the internet who's listening to this now who we've probably lost about 50% of our subscribers just from me saying that I don't think this trailer looks that bad. I'm highly skeptical. It will be good as Gus Buster's too, but I'm going to bet it may be on part of Gus Buster's one. See, I think one is great. One is better. I do like one better. Although two had some real two had some real scary moments in it, man, that I that I remember because two is the one isn't to the one where this is awful. I can't remember which one it's in. I think it's two where and this still haunts me like I used to have nightmares about this weekly. There's a scene where there's a woman wearing a fur coat and then when all the that's two, I think, and where he turns into like the fur coat. Yeah, all the seal has thought that you have sort running down the street. Pretty sure that's two. I think it's two and that is that was terrifying. It still is kind of terrifying. I feel like they were like, okay, here's the deal and I'll say like one more time. We're going to make sure that this generation children are scared of fur. This is how we're going to combat the furring industry is we're going to put this one 30 second scene. And it worked because I remember the river of slime kind of got to me and then the bathtub full of slime like to me after the baby. Yeah, Oscar, but I hope I really hope that there are some like that it's just not all comedy. I hope they have like those moments where it's it's like that in that in the movie moment of like tense possibly scary sort of tension or anything like that. Yeah, I didn't I meant to say this earlier like when I was a kid and I first saw Ghostbusters, I did not realize that it was a comedy like I thought and I guess at that point in my life I was probably like I don't know like seven or something like that. I didn't really even know genres were a thing. It's all just a movie like there's movies in their television shows like genre it wasn't even a concept. So it didn't really even strike me as a as a funny movie. It was kind of I thought it was kind of goofy and I knew my parents laughed when we watched it but other than that I didn't really think of it as a comedy and then when I got older and and watched it I was like oh yeah this is totally totally a comedy and I don't know if that has something to like do with skewing how this new trailer looks because like I feel like going on what you just said I feel like this this trailer for the new movie like 100% like comedy. So I mean that's that's the only thing that will let me down about it. Yeah and it might I mean but then again the trailer who knows what the trailer is showing us and if it's if that's all it's going to be it can't be right like you can't just be ghost jokes on ghost jokes on ghost jokes. I really think they're holding they're holding back because I can see that being a choice for I mean really God so many fucking movies now or just like I see the trailer I'm like I don't need to see that movie I really have no need to see that that's everything you told me the story. Everything I want to ask yeah that's it so. All right well I was I like that yeah that was fun yeah I'm glad we got started with that because I've been like I haven't I feel like I haven't been able to talk to anybody about this yeah um and and now now I got this all my chest I feel good and I'm glad I'm glad I'm not alone. You could talk to upwards of 4,000 people now. I know we brought to the 4,000 listening ceiling. 2,000 now yeah because of what we just said. I guess we're we're we've dropped that down. Yeah our patreon actually just bottomed out. Tyler yes Dave. Are you gonna go see Weird Al in August when he comes to Paducah Kentucky where we live? No you're not going to? No. You don't like Weird Al? No I like Weird Al okay. What's wrong with Weird Al Tyler? No I like Weird Al. I just don't really like music very much so me going to like to have been you like see a concert it's like yeah I'm good yeah I like Weird Al but like I was listening to CD it's fine. I'm going yeah yeah I got my tickets I'm going I'm not missing this opportunity. I already missed um Carlin when he was at the Carson Center here in town. Seinfeld. Seinfeld like those are two. Cosby. Well just yeah whatever. Gallagher. Gallagher. Gallagher. Oh man. Gallagher too. I still don't know. Yeah so I'm not missing this on him maybe we'll see Weird Al. It's so rare that we get somebody where it's like oh I recognize that name like that is so rare that Kanye West came to Murray. That is true. That is true. There's a weird story about that. I got 120 people came to see him. He was pissed off about it. Yeah it was weird. That's my senior year of high school. I think yeah my senior year. I still haven't listened to his new album because he's holding it ransom you know about that yeah. Oh it's only on title. On title yeah and I fucking refuse to subscribe to that. I'm just not just not going to do that. Yeah and it's one of those things where it's like man really like. Is that his music service? Yeah he's I think he and Jay Z on it so I'm sure other people own it too but I know that they're like two big names in it. We gotta get Ted Bogg on title dog. Yeah what do you think title stands for? Because Ted Bogg's Tyler and Dave play all games. What do you think titles for? Titus integrates. Digital. Titus the old sitcom. Artistless labels. Yeah yeah he's the mastermind. Titus is actually Jay Z's real name. I don't know if you know that. Actually the same person as the comedian is weird. Jay Z. If you look close have you ever seen him? Have you ever seen him? Have you ever seen him at the same time? No I haven't had yet. I haven't had yet. I haven't had yet. So yes I'm going I don't know if I've seen him in a weird owl in a long time. I haven't either. Not a long time. Gangster's paradise. Like that's the last time I listened to Weird Owl. I know he still does plenty of stuff but I haven't heard it. I can't remember the name of the album that White and Nerdy was on but I remember listening to that track a lot when it came out. So yeah I've got some homework to do. I got to listen to a bunch of Weird Owl. Or don't and just be surprised when you go to the concert. Yeah I mean that's that's an option too. Yeah but I'm looking forward to it. I'm not going to listen to a comedian CD before I go to see him on his show. That's a lot. Get it off. Get it off fresh. Get it off fresh. Oh come on. It's like who does it? Like Penton Ozzler does the thing about that. Like oh yeah. When you go to see a singer in concert you just want to hear the same shit you've heard a million times. But like does not fly over a comedian. Like I remember when we went to see the comedian as a comedy people were calling out bits for him to do. His mind was fucking blown and we're doing that. Still a little broke for streets. Are you guys fucking serious? All right. That is got to be like I don't know what could you yell out that would be the equivalent of like yelling out free bird when you're at like a Kanye West concert. Like smash a watermelon. Was that the equivalent? For like a comedian. Just a comedian. Yeah what would you yell at seven dirty words. Yeah all right. Yeah but that's good. I don't know. I think it's it's free bird a good song. Yeah I don't know if you've heard a free bird. So it's a long song. When people say honest honest to God honest to God people say free bird the image of Hupp's been my mind is the the Phoenix bird power up and illusion of Gaia like every time. That's that's where that rock goes for me. Yeah yeah. Do you think free Dan and Phoenix bird free bird? Free bird. Yeah like that power up too. It was boss. Shadow was overpowered as fuck was it? Yeah. That's good. He fucking got you to that pyramid. Fuck God. We have an episode on that listener. If you haven't if you haven't listened. Yeah. Like our fourth or fifth longest one probably. Yes. I want to get a big shout out to the students of Paducatoma High School who apparently listened to the show. Yeah. So hey what's up you cool the high school? Do you on fleek motherfuckers? On fleek a.m. That's where I went to school so there you go. That's it. I'm you're what you got to look forward to. Listen real hard. Fourteen more years. Here's what you have to look forward to. You'll be here. You'll move away. They'll fucking come back though. Yeah. Yeah. You have babies here. You'll go out realize you have your babies here. Yeah. If you don't have them already. Who knows? You probably do. Yeah. I mean everyone to my high school has them. They're here. So that's fine. You did have the baby high school. Yeah I did. Yeah I did. Josh Edwards sent me something. All right. We've talked about in the past we've talked about the we like maps here. We love maps of the United States here at this podcast. We've talked about maps and periodic tables. Just maps on periodic tables. You name it. We even talked about at one point I think it's probably a couple of years ago we talked about the pornography map where I can't remember the search terms by state. Yeah the porn search terms by state. Thank you. And I remember distinctly looking at Kentucky and being surprised. Oh it's Hintai. Okay. It's different now though. It is different now. Josh Edwards sent me a link which is opening right now. This is from vocative.com link to that'll be in the show. Vocative for all your vocation needs. There's a really cool scrambled porn American flag. I do like that graphic. That's nice. So as of right now we I don't know if we've upgraded or downgraded or made a lateral move from Kentucky. All lateral moves. Yeah. For Kentucky being a Hintai state we are now a stepmom state. Stepmom. So I mean and that's not helping the whole like incest image of our state. Nope. Hey it's stepmom though. Like it is stepmom. Not mom. That's how they get away with it though. Big difference. That's a big difference. That's essentially the equivalent of having an anime where there's a 12 year old looking girl and they just make you know right up the right out the gate right up front. Hey there's no way this is child porn. I know she looks like she's 12. She's 26. That's how they get around like everything in anime. It's like no, no, no, no, no. She's ancient actually. So the joke's on you. It's the 12 year old. She's blowing up birthday cake with like a fucking candlelight. She's 600 years old. Well now vampire. You ageist. I remember there's a cinemax we remember watching back in the day called like the seduction of Misty Monday. I'm not. And I say back in the day it was probably like a year ago. So we were watching this movie and it being sort of with the girl does she girl is supposed to be like a senior in high school. Not particularly attractive but I remember it being like she was from like a repressive family and goes to stay with her aunt and she ends up like going out with somebody and losing her virginity and like you know soft course, soft course, soft course. Okay so this is this is a porn. This is a porn. Because it sounds like it also could be a Nickelodeon show. Yeah. She ends up talking to her aunt about like I gave him a blowjob and he certainly you know look like he was into it and we had sex and he went coming back. I feel like I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah. So like she was like okay hey well you know I'm a lesbian after all and somebody has come over tonight so you should just watch us hook up. So then she watches her aunt. Yes. Go down to the girl and vice versa for a while. And this happens like one or two times and then she asked her aunt to help her masturbate to teach her how to do that. So she vaguely teaches her how to do that. So wait is this soft core or no? It's soft core. Okay. And then she ends up like that she has sex with the guy and he's all into it this guy because she knows what she's doing. Well how does she learn from? I don't know. I don't know. Okay. How does she learn from watching all the girls stuff? I don't know. Okay. I don't know. All right. And the last thing in the movie is her and her aunt finally like going down on each other and having sex. And the next the next scene after that yeah there at the breakfast table and then the aunt is like I mean you know I'm really like your step aunt. I'm not really. I remember watching that like okay. Like people who were just like drugged off and caved that are really bad but didn't change the channel and heard that like oh oh thank god. Yeah. Okay. Those people who masturbated and felt bad. No we talked about this. I have to have cock in my board. So if it's girl on girl. Yeah. That was fine back in the day but now it's gonna be fun. I thought maybe the incest ramped it up. So like when you can hang with it. Because I was still hard after her just said that. I just like yeah fuck. There's through the loop of the ground and stormed out. There's nothing that like kills it for me when like I'll be watching and finding out they're not really. Yeah I know. It's just like oh what's the point. I'll be watching the video and they're like out of the blue. Like it doesn't even it doesn't even need to happen but the woman will say oh I'm glad you had a good day at school today son. App and we're getting back on the webpage. Great. We just totally ruined this video for me. Thank you. Here's the west. I don't know if you saw this big red block in the west. Oh yeah. Just lesbian. Just lesbian. Lesbian porn. From California to Texas. And then like Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, that kind of area. Lesbian and then we're in this strip of non-lesbian north to south and then it continues on in the east. So I think Josh had brought this to our attention because we were talking about girl and girl really didn't do a whole lot for us and it's good reason because we are not in a girl and girl state. We cross over and we move up into like we go to Alabama where something like yeah yeah let's watch the girl and girl. Let's do that. Yeah yeah Alabama's there right next to Mississippi which searches for ebony. Yep of course it is. Of fucking course it is. And then Louisiana searches for black. I don't know why. Of course I don't know why one searches for black and the other searches for ebony. I guess I mean there are New Orleans has plenty of black people. Oh yeah they would just search for black but white people not wanting to even be racing their porn searches type in ebony. Mississippi has a higher black population than Louisiana. Oh does. Yeah and I think it's I think it's there's actually an interesting correlation because it's like the three states there's two states Georgia and Mississippi their highest search term is ebony and then Louisiana's highest search term is black and those are like three of the highly populated states highly black population states. So I think it's honestly like it's it's rare for me to like just open up a tab go to Pornhub or whatever and like to see a black person like on the front page like I mean I have to like if female what black female you mean. Okay yeah sure yes it's I've been like black men yeah pretty predominant for days but yeah that's true. Yeah I don't see very many like and so in order for me to find that like I have to search for it yeah like I mean it's like I could go page for page for page and I could probably go I'm guessing 20 pages before I run across a black woman. So I get it's NHJ to fire so yeah yeah so I get I get like why those would be search terms in the states but I do also think there's some of what you said I do think there's like some very racist white people. The Daily Show did a report about how racist porn is and like it's like it's very racist. It's like the last bastions where a girl can just actively or any actually just like no I don't know if I don't want to deal with a black person and it just be like okay cool like and it just be like I remember also reading a thing like I think I feel like it was Lisa Anne maybe that talked about it a long time ago like once you do an interracial scene that like for a lot of places you're almost considered like marked and then you you basically will only do interracial scenes from then on like that there's just very racist division in porn. I believe it I believe I also think that like it's probably more frequent there just honestly I would imagine like just in general preference is probably more like prevalent in porn because it's like I mean there's probably women who like won't who have like weird preferences where it's like yeah I mean because like I don't know clearly I have never been. He can fuck me in my ass but he better not look at it cannot right like stuff like that right or it's like well he can't the only like these are the places on my body and like she pulls out the butcher chart like these are the places where he he may finish and then of course there's those videos where the the man finishes somewhere that she is not designated an okay area and then she gets fake mad about it yeah yeah I like those oops I got pregnant videos yeah yeah yeah it's the captain crunch it's like this scene starts off hey I'm not on birth control right don't come inside me I won't I won't it's fine I'm coming I'm coming oh pull out who are you doing you know what makes it super realistic is the three minutes after he finishes inside her or the close-up on her vagina just oozing semen yeah yeah if you're really that scared I'm sure you'd be jumping up and running to like try and get it out yeah like yeah yeah she gives up on it pretty quick she's like no don't do it damn okay all right well whatever I'm pregnant womp womp get the turkey baster let's get this out of here hmm all right we go spusters porn it's pretty good go spusters good go now now go spusters poured have you been have you been reading or watching or playing anything this week three of my online classes ended so I have not since it's been a boatload of it's even reading the school stuff yeah I've been reading a lot about electricity and hydraulics good yep yep and leadership oddly enough are there any good fiction books about electricity hydraulics and leadership all together like if you were to go on amazon right now and just type in those search terms do you think the book would come up uh you probably get infamous too infamous is it the novelization I hope so make sense uh some kind of tesla version Ryan is playing a game right now he got off the internet super cheap called sunset overdrive for xbox one and he's like I don't know he got some pretty scathing reviews but I really like it and I watched it I've heard of it I was like this is 100% straight up and infamous infamous rip-off oh yeah because watching him like grind on rails and all this shit I was like they just straight up looked at this from infamous because that because infamous is a ps4 exclusive series bumping rails bumping rails i started my i started my long journey i took my first steps into a bigger forgotten realms world i started the first the very first forgotten realms book ever written uh by douglas niles what's that elvenster no it's a dark walker on moon shay and it's set in the moon shay aisles um it's elvensters not and he doesn't exist yet so this is pre-elvenster um i think it was written in who's the billin like uh man schoon i'm trying to think of old the beast the beast is i can't remember his name the beast is also the billin and infamous infamous too well this came out like i think 83 i'm guessing so fuck you infamous too look tylen i know you think everything was ripped off of all infamous too man people being bald infamous too fat sidekick infamous to state puff marshmallow man infamous too girl who loves you but dumps you infamous too so i am i've i've i've really just taken my first step because i have completed the first chapter so how is it so far it's good yeah it's like surprisingly good like they've already setting up like um almost like a game of thrones style uh multi-person narrative which i thought was really surprised me because i figured it was going to be just a real simple like straight forward here's the main protagonist and it just follows him throughout but like in the first chapter the first chapter's long and they already kind of like um tell the story from different points of view and like i can there's like some some northman raiders that they're talking about and it's like oh well shit clearly they're gonna reach the aisles at some point and then this beast is going is going to be on the aisles so so far i like it i i hear that these books get really really bad and elmanster i hear is where it gets nuts so i can see elmanster being like kind of a problem where a DM gets too invested and run their own NPCs that's what i've heard it makes their NPC the star amongst the PCs and i can i can see where that is a thing i've heard i haven't read any of the books with elmanster in it but i do hear that he is like a god like he's a sensually just like oh yeah you need something done uh uh i'll cast Deus Ex Machina and uh oh everything well elmansters is like forgotten realms answer to raceline the oh yeah are all powerful mage of is that dragon lance may be the other another big series and i don't give me lying to you i've heard the name but i do not know what series i'll look it up because yeah like elmanster is yeah kind of a powerful he he fucked the goddess of magic like he's just yeah elmansters the end all be all i don't know how i'm gonna do in this journey um because i i used him once once in one of my games one time you used elmanster you used elmanster i did i i don't think i was in that game it was for it might not you might not have been there because i know it was basically a treat for mackewain because mackewain loves elmanster uh-huh so like he had done something did some kind of request and elmanster showed up and gave him piece of information and gave him his pipe oh okay and and then left and that was that was it okay so i don't like if i ever did forgotten realms character like i would never or forgotten realms game i would not use elmanster dreds like no iconic npc's period i that's like a pretty common rule i think that dms like from what i've read on like reddit and then like facebook groups people are constantly saying don't don't introduce um i can't do it you can't do it justice yeah because it's just ever no matter what that that character is going to overshadow your pc it does not matter um so it's always it's an issue i run into with my ecb series of games it's like it makes common sense when like you know there's a big bad that you're gonna have trouble with just go ask someone more power for you to help out you know it makes sense character wise well and yeah exactly and then if you're the dm in that game you have to be like oh no i'm busy with all the giants your soul yeah you're the chosen ones on this adventure friends thanks a lot dick you could just fucking sneeze and this would be over but no that's one day i do like uh the iron druid series they they because they play ball with all the gods and all the pantheons and they actually they do it well when they're they'll justify like all right i mean um adidas needs this he'll go ask a goddess to help him and she'll help him and do it within like the limits of her power and blah blah like he the author there makes it work so he can be done well but it's that's like the only series i can think of it where it's done where the logical thing is done well yeah i want to read that series it's because everything you've told me about it uh sounds really cool it starts off kind of i mean it starts off as a Dresden rip off pretty heavily and then gets better and i want to read obviously i want to read the Dresden files too i want you to read the Dresden files just so just so i can run the Dresden files game well and my my favorite thing i've heard about the Dresden files rpg is how it begins and how like isn't don't don't like all the players kind of like take part in like the world building i made one yeah i ran a short Dresden files game with people from seminary and the character creation is like you create all your characters together so that they all sort of inner lean it makes sense yeah it makes sense it's it's really really nice and that like the system uh the players helped drive the story in that like there was a moment between uh my friend sarah's character was like a a very high school uh preppy girl who had a crush on not a crush but she was being nice to Blake's character who was like like an old breaker Blake what's character who was um because sort of a poor ill dress that they were working on a project together and they're at the mall picking up things for their project and popular guy comes out of a store toward them so then i offer because it's built in like so i offer sarah it's like you can spend one of your event tokens and he won't see you and he'll go by you or he can see you and you can have this consequence and i will give you an event token cool or things like that like the example in the book is like um that player who's playing harry is fighting these ice monsters and of course he has a fire spell and so he cast the fire spell and then the gm says if you want to be slowly inaccurate with your fire spell and it lands in the building it also spills off in the building besides this one that catches fire i will give you a token for that so it's then you can have the choice it sounds really story driven very very short driven because that lie and i like that they do something similar in burning wheel um where you can like if you succeed on something like if you if you make a successful role um you can use a flaw or a trait of yours against it to make it a non-success and gain essentially a token that you can use for for story reasons i like that mechanic that like or not it doesn't have to be in a story like you could use those tokens to amp up a stat so you can succeed at a challenge or something like that like there's a variety of things you can do cool the only negative about dressing files is like if you're not a wizard or some kind of magical being it's not going to be that fun for you of an only human has its uses but it's ultimately not going to be as fun as wielding magic that you kind of like you're very loose and free and it's on your imagination you know and you have to make your check and blah blah blah but so there's no benefit to just being a non-magic user uh i mean there is in certain ways like um yeah a muggle is that what they're called yeah if you if you're a human that you choose to be one of the nights of the cross can't be a chocolate human why not yeah what are you mississippi there's like the the nights of the cross are what these this order took the nails that um we're in jesus hands and feet and forge them into weapons okay amorocius esperocius and fetalocius okay which means like the love of christ and the compassion of christ and things i can't remember exactly but then they start their order where they're always these three nights that carry each of these swords somewhere in the world and they they're either together or separate or whatever and they're constantly battling he does a very good job with christian faith yeah and in the Dresden files like harry Dresden he's not an atheist but like he's definitely not a christian he thumbs is that he has to deal with angels he has to deal with demons and he sort of thumbs his nose and all of them yeah but like basically um michael carpenter is essentially a pallet in that game and he's written so well to be like what a modern day paladin would be and he has a paladin dance he has a what it essentially like i think he has amorocius which is like a great sword and he he wears full plate and blazing with crosses and things like that into battle yeah and i think about so it's like it's like dogma homos yeah almost and it likes no like if you if you need them for a good purpose uh-huh no matter what where you are in the world a night a night will show up to help you when you need it the most and like the that's their whole thing cool and so you can it is written the rules where you can play a night of the cross and and things like that everything everything that's like a that's just a regular normal human's role or yeah you basically have to be a normal human oh shit that sounds good that sounds like a good payoff yeah but then you have to play you know that's like playing a paladin dnd you have to play your paladin you have to play a very certain way yeah like sometimes it's frustrating like you see what's very very cool well my favorite things in the Dresden files is all the 30 pieces of silver that judas was paid uh to betray christ each one of those is basically infused with a fallen angel okay and that's how that's this order uh the order of the black indenarius and whenever a human picks one of these up basically then they're possessed not completely they they could have fight for control uh-huh in the demons constantly tempting them or the fallen angel tempted them to let them take over uh-huh and once they take over then they sort of compete and share this body in this form and the obviously the nights across as their biggest enemy is fighting those demons trying to get these coins yeah and destroy them or hide them away or or whatever try and rid them and like a lot of like the leader has been like around for a thousand years like all these huge cataclysmic events in human history are because of him and things like that and like at one point they have like one of them they have one of them down like one of the one of the main ones is down and Harry's excited about to finally kill them yeah and the guy falls on his knee smirking just say like please forgive me please give me another chance i'm i'm i'm sorry i'll repent is it because he's used to dealing with angels or something oh he's just dealing with paladins okay because then Michael is about to smid him and then stops and puts a sword away and Harry's like what the fuck are you doing right get him he's like anybody that repents deserves christ love and i can't i can't do it so and then even even though the demon is like smirking and hopefully Harry smokes his ass no he can't Michael Michael can't Michael has to stop him oh we got you so like there is still like fucking Michael yeah what are you doing man but he's he's such a good character though cool it sounds cool uh have you ever listened to fear the boot it's a podcast like a role-playing podcast has been around for like i think like ten years it sounds in line with something that they like have talked about over and over and over again like one of their core concepts is that every group needs a group template so like they're very much like they'll do it like before a game starts they will do a session where everyone just kind of sits down talks about what they want to play like what kind of character they want to play and how it works with the other people playing and it's like so they build stories like based around so they just spend the session building back stories that kind of interweave between all the characters and then they and then they start playing and they do it with dnd they do it with um battle tech i mean they do it with pretty much any system that they play so i like that the Dresden Files RPG kind of has something like that built in that's that's pretty neat so because it was cool like Blake's character was Blake Anderson like Anderson the homeless character but he had ties to like um he spent he was a vanilla human but he had spent points because you have these points you can spend like because you can also be like there are three orders of vampires in that in that book there's what there's three orders of vampires the black well there are more but the ones that are focused on are the black the red and the white okay and red ones are sort of your i guess more of your traditional but once they bite you they infect you and you're sort of in you're basically a half vampire until you kill somebody then you take the full transformation takes over so you can spend points and be like it's like the order of Saint Jerome or something like i can't remember where you're essentially a half vampire but you have like 10 points and it takes like six because this is a more powerful template to be one of them or he can spend three and have an object of power that you don't know what it is or not and that be your thing so Blake was a vanilla mortal but he had an object of power which i didn't tell him but that was it was a blackened um the various one of the coins so and then he but spoilers but he was yeah thank you i wish that game was still going but i i hadn't read it up enough to really understand what the game was going on i i tried getting my feet wet but it was it sounds cool yeah it sounds like everything that you've said about the Dresden Files kind of reminds me of like why i like i love the Hellboy comics and i love the Hellboy comics because it takes um like Christian belief it takes just theology in general it takes folklore um european eastern european western european folklore some american um and then it just kind of meshes them all together into like create this world where like all it all is real and it all really exists um and like seeing that stuff is is really neat you talking about the vampires reminding me of that uh in you know the fallen angels and stuff like that because iron druid and Dresden Files are both similar in that anything that humans believe in sincerely yeah becomes real yeah you were telling me about like i mean if look if your kid is still in the room after you heard us talk about incest porn uh go ahead and get rid of them for just a minute because like in one of your games you're talking about like it was rolled around Santa Claus right mm-hmm or that's was um was that's what i wanted to do it was like oh shit spoilers the game begins dead but yeah that's what because you believe in Santa Claus people do so Santa Claus and the Dresden Files is is real he is a uh an unsealy fey so what i love that what are my things was he was going to be taken from he's a dolly all of them from macy's whatever the actual one was there and they trapped him with seals and things like that and got away with him i like it i want to read those books i do i need to get through some really really bad forgotten realm books but iron druid is a lot more heavy handed with it in Dresden Files is yeah because like Atticus deals frequently with gods of every pantheon he meets jesus he hangs out with jesus he has a beer with jesus with jesus is like he's like yeah jesus i never really see you nearly as much as anybody else because i hate coming to earth man because i could i could only appear on earth as people see me and everyone sees me and paint on the cross and it's like no i'm not that's how i have to appear no i'm not going to do that what which book is this it's an early iron druid yeah i'll read address and files first uh because that's not like a weird sketch yeah he fights uh i mean he's being hunted by the entire like north pantheon at one point and the greek pantheon at one point he's allied with the irish pantheon because druids are in unique in that world and like so there's earth and then they're all the realms outside of that and you can't go the north north pantheon can't just travel and go to the greek pantheon they have to go like to earth first you can only go to another pantheon or anything else within like one step so or the earth is like without somebody else leading you in okay except for druids because they're bound to earth instead of another realm they're the only only magic users they can freely go anywhere the fuck they want so cool so they can go they could sneak anybody on basically uninvited okay because like Thor can't go the trap they're traffickers right yeah they can be because Thor can't go overt and fight like Dionysus on his own but if he was with a druid he could otherwise he has to have permission it's lucky for Dionysus yep yeah and Thor because it's interesting because like he takes the literal meaning of all these pantheons and not like the dressed up versions so like Zeus is a fucking insane fucks everything sure constantly bad-eyed huge hard-on constantly Thor is just a prick who everyone hates like it's literal text based gods and goddesses in that book cool i want to read it i do and i've been saying that for you fucking years since you since you've talked about the chosen files milling yeah that sounds pretty neat because i finished uh the last iron druid the latest iron druid book came out a few weeks ago and i finished it uh on my last drive up from Clarksville so it's because they're those books aren't really that long on audio anywhere from seven to ten hours maybe how was it good it was really good because this was the one like what's it called staked is the latest one and it's him fighting now fighting vampires which druids were wiped out by vampires because druids are basically a vampire's biggest weakness because druids are all about like tying their magic is all about tying and untying knots essentially okay and if they see something in the magical spectrum they can just untie it and vampires are barely loosely bound so they just like see a knot behind the eyes and just like untie it vampire dies they can eliminate i mean it's just all they have to do is 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