Wyndham Clark discusses his preparation for the Presidents Cup and reflects on his experience at the Ryder Cup. He also talks about the challenges of playing different types of golf courses, how he takes pride in being able to perform well on a variety of layouts, the mental side of the game and the importance of focusing on the process rather than the outcome. Golfbet Insider Rob Bolton provides gamers the information they need for the Procore Championship.
Talk of the TOUR Golf Podcast
Three-time PGA TOUR winner Wyndham Clark on his incredible last 18 months in golf & Golfbet Insider Rob Bolton on the Procore Championship
All right, welcome in to the talk of the tour podcast, head of the pro core championship on Paul Holduonic, staff writer PGA tour.com filling in once again for Swanee in the host chair. This week we've got Wyndham Clark calling in for an interview who is out in Napa for this week's event. We chat about that. President's Cup prep and how his mental game has evolved with heightened expectations. And after that Swanee and Rob Bolton link up for their regular weekly chat taking through everything known for the sweet in Napa. Mind her, this podcast is available wherever you get to the podcast. This video is on content where.com by my socials, Matt, Paul Holduonic. All right, let's jump in. All right, Wyndham Clark is our guest here on the talk of the tour podcast. Wyndham joining us out from Napa. Wyndham, I see you're obviously playing here this week or last year you were not in this event. And I find it notable just as we look ahead to the President's Cup and as many of the American guys have talked about kind of feeling rusty at last year's Ryder Cup, how much did that impact you wanting to play and get a rep in before the President's Cup begins? Yeah, I mean, that's honestly why I'm here. I do love this event and I've played here. My guy? Yeah, I mean, I actually am a big one guy. I love the wine and food here. I've played this event every year of my career other than last year. And that was, I think, a mistake on my part. I wasn't as prepared as I would have liked to been for the Ryder Cup. So this year for the President's Cup, I wanted to make sure I didn't do that and there's no better way to stay sharp than playing, you know, a PJ Tour event against the best players in the world. Team event like the Ryder Cup or the President's Cup, but you don't quite know what the experience is going to be like till you do it, you know? So I'm sure that sounds like it was a key learning, "Hey, I want to play. I want to feel like I'm not rusty as we're getting out there." Were there other things you've kind of learned from the past Ryder Cup experience that you've tried to keep in mind as you kind of get ready for this next team event? Yeah, I mean, I think there's things that I think we all learned as a team, you know, certain communication things that I think we all wanted to hash out and then some partner stuff I think we've adjusted and we've all talked about throughout the year, even not just in the last couple of weeks. Personally, you know, this is being one of them making sure I'm sharp, making sure I don't do any tinkering with my equipment before the tournament like I did last year, which was really dumb of me. And then, you know, now knowing how the schedule works, where we don't have that much time to work on our game there, so if you're expecting to get ready while you're there, you really don't have time to do that. I'm going to make sure I'm ready beforehand and then when I'm there, if there's any tinkering, you need, hopefully it's just very minimal versus last year, I felt like I needed to do a lot. I'm sure it's just an emotional and energetic kind of drain the weeks long. There's a lot of anticipation for anything just about pacing yourself or kind of understanding what, like, do you try to embrace everything that's going on because it's such a special week? Are you trying to kind of keep everything, you know, on the straight and narrow so you're ready to go, how are you kind of approaching that because it is kind of a lot in the lead up? Last year was my first one and I wanted to really enjoy it and so I embraced everything. When we had fun functions, I wanted to make sure I was enjoying them and when we did sight seeing, I wanted to make sure I was part of that versus some guys maybe didn't go. I think this year at the President's Cup I'll probably be a little more on the focus now that I kind of checked out that box of playing a huge event for Team USA. You know, I want to make sure that I'm really focused and ready and that I don't have any regrets in my preparation for the event so that, you know, hopefully I'm one of the guys that has an amazing, you know, 3-0 or 4-0 record this year at the President's Cup. Is there moments from the Ryder Cup like when you think about the experience? Are there certain memories that come to mind first? You know, I really look back at a lot of great memories to be honest. There's some awesome team stuff that we did beforehand that was really fun even in our practice rounds. It was so much fun. When Patrick and I won that match against Rory and Fitzy, that was obviously a huge memory and the hats waving and all that was fantastic and then just a celebration afterwards in the locker room, all of us having fun and enjoying at least some positivity for that week and then the opening ceremonies for it was so spectacular. So there's so many good memories when I look back at that and so I'm really excited that I'm part of the team again this year so that I can make more new good memories. Captain Jim Fierick has said, "Hey, we're going to bring a group of guys kind of up a couple of days early just to understand the golf course, get everyone acclimated." Roamontrail, as opposed to Marco Simone or even like Quail Hollow a couple of years ago for the President's Cup, like there was a ton of data out on those courses. We had seen them regularly. Royal Montreal is one that at least the professional game isn't super, super familiar with, at least recently. So I don't think a lot of fans know what to expect. You kind of know what to expect from this golf course and what it may play like and what you may see. Yeah. I mean, yes and no. So I haven't played it. My caddy has played it when he was on the Canadian tour. What I know from Canadian golf is it's typically pretty tree-lined, high rough, back to front greens, you don't hit as many drivers, which is what I've heard about this place. So it's going to be a lot of making sure you get the ball in play and then it's a second shot golf course, really. You know, it takes a little bit, I think, of Team USA's advantage out of our bag of having the distance and hitting it far. But then again, I also feel like we have advantages at all levels. We have some of the best iron players in the game on our team and putters as well. So I think it's going to fit our game well and I'm just really hoping that the atmosphere is fantastic and that we all bring our game and hopefully give everyone a good show. When you look at the places you've succeeded at, won at Pebble, L-A-C-C, Quail, even contending at Bay Hill or the players or things this year, those golf courses are not that similar. I wouldn't stack them up and say, "Windom Clark can only play this style of golf." I'm sure that's something you think about. And I just look around, they see the same ball flight from you and they may think, "Oh, you're just a bomber." But from just seeing the types of courses that you want on, they've been very varied. Is that something that you take pride in or something that you kind of feel proud of? Yeah, thanks for noticing that, Paul, because everyone thinks that I'm just a bombing gouge. I only hit it far. And I feel like there are certain weeks, obviously, where people in the crowd are like, "Are you the favorite to win?" And that's probably because of the distance part. But I feel like I'm the favorite to win when my game is in good form. And so, like you said, I mean, Harbortown, people wouldn't think I would have a good week there. I almost had a chance to win. Bay Hill's different. Players are totally different. Pebble's a different golf course. And then you've got Quail Hollow, which is a big yard. And I win at... So yeah, I'm really proud of myself that I'm not just a one-trickpony and that I feel like I could win anywhere. So I think, you know, taking that to President's Cup in Montreal, I feel like if my game's good, I'm going to play good. I remember listening to you chat at the BMW, and you were talking about maybe when the things weren't going so well this year, you had gotten a bit too outcome-focused in how you were kind of approaching the game. Can you kind of take me through what you mean by that? Like, maybe where that dip happened and why you kind of felt like it happened? It was mainly around the majors, to be honest, I was so focused on, you know, being one of the top players there. I was having a good season and coming so close to winning a few times, having won, and all of that brought me to where I was so focused on, "Okay, I'm going to come here and win this week." And I used to be that way before I had a lot of success, and all I focused on was winning and I never won, and then the minute I stopped focusing on my winning and focus on my process and everything that I do to make me successful, then I started winning. And so I just kind of fell back into my old ways. And you know, some of that's because I maybe listened to the media and some of the hype and whatever it was, I started going, "Okay, yeah, I am going to win this or I should win this and it's all about winning," and I just kind of fell back into my old ways. So I kind of did a nice self-assessment and said, "You know what, yeah, we felt we're kind of doing the same stuff, so let's get back to what has made us play really good golf." And then I started playing good golf again, so it's a great reminder for next year as I get, you know, if it's the beginning of the year or later in the year, if I fall back into that same run, at least hopefully this time I get out of it sooner. We've heard guys like Max talk about, you know, the struggles and the majors is kind of the last thing for him, up until you win the US Open, like your results in the majors hadn't been great. And then you obviously win, so you jump and you get that success. Has that taken pressure off of you as you've gone to other ones or has it almost put more on you because you feel like you need to be there every time in those? It's probably put on more, I mean, and it's mainly because everyone I think puts that pressure on you that, "Oh, hey, you've won one now, you should win multiple." And I hope that's the case, but it's also tough, I mean, to time it just for those weeks is really hard and it's amazing what certain guys like Scotty can do and always be there or, you know, obviously you look back at Tiger and go, "Man, it's unbelievable that he was always primed and ready for the majors," but I think that's obviously the next thing in my game that I got to improve on as well, is making sure that my game is ready for those majors. And timing all of that for those events. So it's definitely something that I'm learning and that's the fun thing is, even with having these great two seasons, there's so much I can improve on and get better at and that's definitely one of the areas. In your rise, like you spoke a lot about it and it got a lot to talk about kind of your prioritization of your mental health and kind of the mental side of the game. I'm just wondering, 'cause I'm sure in that phase when the success hadn't come yet, a lot of it is telling yourself that it's going to come and trusting the process and doing those things, then you find the success. So how has your approach on mental health and your mental side of the game evolved as you do find that success? 'Cause I'm sure it's kind of a double-edged sword, like you feel validated and you feel like you belong, but then maybe like we've talked about the majors, you start to expect maybe more and maybe that hinders you. So I'm just wondering how the mental side of it has changed or evolved or stayed the same now that you have found that success. That's a great question because it does kind of go in cycles where I feel like I'm working on new things in the mental game and then that was kind of around the players and Bay Hill this year. I really felt like we were working on some new stuff and it was really good and I felt like I was getting really comfortable in the moment and feeling like I was the guy. And then next to you know, I found myself not in those moments again and having to go back to square one where hey, we're only worried about the things that we can control and making sure we're getting back to process. As I'm learning in this, in the mental game is it kind of seems like it's a circle where you feel like you work on something, you kind of feel like you conquer it and then you start working on something else and you start doing good on that and then you realize you have to go back to that other thing and so it kind of just seems like the cycle of always getting better and improving on each thing and you hope that when you find yourself in those moments again that you have learned from it and go okay, you know what? I am doing this or I need to get better at this. So I feel like I'm excited for this offseason that I can maybe really dive into what kind of happened in that lull of why I had maybe five to seven events where I was really just not there both mentally and physically and hopefully that we say okay, we're gonna have a better game plan for this year and hopefully we come out next year fire in and then keep it going and not have that each dip. I remember talking to Scotty about the offseason and he was talking about it specifically with his putting and that it's so hard to course correct in the middle of the season. Just with the grind of it, you're going week to week and it's hard to really like sink your teeth into an issue and try to fix it but the offseason allows just so much more time. Is that one thing that you can feel like hey, with more time I have time to kind of sink my teeth into all those issues whereas when you're going week to week, it's kind of just putting band-aids on stuff. Yeah, he's spot on, I mean you really can't do any serious maintenance to your game. Not only your game but your body, your mental game, anything and so for me it is going to be, you know, I'd like to fix some things, I think with my swing a little bit, definitely some body stuff because I did have an injury that was kind of lingering during all of those majors which you can't discredit. That is obviously, I'm not at the top of my game when you can't swing the way I normally can swing and so yeah, having three months where I can make sure I'm really healthy and really strong and then get away from the game as well but then also work on some of those mechanic things that you didn't really want to touch during the season because you don't want to screw up even worse, you know, because it's all about scoring during the season. It's all about getting the ball in the hole, doesn't matter how it looks so at least in this offseason you can work on that stuff and hopefully get, you know, make yourself better. Alright, before I let you go I just want to ask, most recently you were on swing by with Jason Kennedy, came and visited you. Yep. What did you take from that experience? How did you enjoy that? I loved it, I mean he won, he's such a good dude and he's funny, I mean we were. He took me to this Zen, you know, retreat area where we talked all about the mental game and all about that stuff and, you know, he was joking about me being kind of like a Zen monk and I was like, I'm far from it, I would love to get to that but it was a great experience for sure. And then any Oregon football takes you got two weeks in? Man, I'm not loving how it's looking thus far. I was so excited for this year, being obviously preseason ranked number two and then, or recruiting class and then just everyone hyping us up and even some people thinking we're going to win the natty this year, I was really feeling ourselves. I was really feeling ourselves and then we barely squeaked through on both Idaho teams. I was not too happy about that but maybe that's the wake up call we need to get the team going or it shows us that we're not quite there. So here's the good things, we won those games and as long as you keep winning that's all it matters and I think we'll start finding our stride. Yeah, we're ugly, still counts the same on the forward. Still counts the same. Alright, thanks so much for your time, appreciate it. Yeah, thanks man. Refreshed and refocused after the PGA tour off season, the golf bet inside PGA tour.com Rob Bolson is back and he is highly re energized people after witnessing in person in South Bend, Indiana, his beloved alma mater, the Northern Illinois Huskies take down the fighting Irish is 29 and a half point underdogs, by the way, for those who were inclined. What a day, big fella. Good to see you again. What's happened? Oh, really close, we can hear the whole day and they've never even had a fight song until last Saturday. Right? Alright, I'll shut that off. Wow, you know, some people leave their hearts in San Francisco. You can tell by the sound of my voice. I left it in Notre Dame stadium on Saturday, unbelievable by the way, it's not lost on me that although I live in Arizona, I had to go to South Bend, Indiana in September to get some color. So that's the sun and the wind doing his justice on the big fella. And I don't care. I actually look a little healthy for a change. It was a lifetime experience as a Northern Illinois University alum fan. The best part was, you know, I used to cover that team back in college and, you know, you know, a student at the time and see him succeed at times. You feel good. You want to cheer and obviously you learn as a, you know, as a student journalist, that's not the thing to do. And then they got to get to work. You really don't have a chance to celebrate much 100% celebration on Saturday this time. And it had the fields of game six of the NLCS in 2016. No idea, you know, when the Cubs got through to the World Series beating the Dodgers in game six, and, you know, as Huskies fans, we don't know what to do when you're facing the opportunity to beat a school like Notre Dame as our national championship. I don't care what happens for the rest of the year, forever take it forward this year and for the rest of my life, man. Thank you for bringing it up. As New York Rangers fans said after we won the Cup in 1994, now I can die in peace. So yes, I know how you feel. All right, let's get to work here pro core championship this week, then an off week, then the president's cup. So we'll slip in one to start the FedEx cup fall here. And we've got a few president's cupbers in the field, big fell, including saw hit the gal who's number one in your power rankings this week. And he is also the betting favorite on the board at around 11 to one right now. Any concerns about a wrist injury were dismissed after a strong showing throughout the FedEx cup playoffs and ultimately finishing third after the week wrapped up in Atlanta, the gallop very much the player to beat this week. It seems. Yeah, rightfully so. But all six of the president's cupbers headed to Montreal next week are in the power rankings. Not all of them weren't necessarily obvious, but relative to the field that deserved to be in there. And the gala right there at the top, I mean, defending champion first time he's defending and it doesn't even matter. Like there are some guys we talk about, right? The nerves, the distractions, the additional experiences, he just says, bring it on solo third at the tour championship and everything he handled in real time with the penalty at Eastlake, avid golf fans already know that that's within his profile and his character and all those good things. But that he was able to put it on display on that stage was wholly impressive 11 to one is nice. You know, if you're in that market and I can talk you out of it, again, it's not only the one win, but man, he has no problem running to the running into the fire up to the top of the leaderboard. So obviously he needs some luck to get that done. It's been a while since we've had a favorite that's been four digits, you know, in American odds because Scottie Sheffler played throughout the playoffs and Shofle was out there as well. So yeah, again, and the wrist injury is a ancient history at this point. I just love how Thigala adapts overall, no matter what's going on. He looks straight ahead, goes after the test and tackles it with that talent that he has and it's just so impressive. Windham Clark is also chalky this week. He's around 11 to one as well. As you wrote in your golf bet capsule about Windham Clark. It's always refreshing when performance matches rhetoric. I would like you to explain that because if you can make sense of it for me, I may apply it to my daily life. A lot of these guys, these golfers, it's sometimes it takes a little while to understand what's under the hood based on what they say and then in conjunction with performance that follows. Some guys just don't care. Some guys are great quotes and they're introspective and you can listen to them all day and other guys are not and Windham has been forthright and he's been a little bit interesting scaling to the top tier of the global scene and he's kind of forged his own path with some of the things that he's said. All right, that aside, this year, especially the last three months or so, he's talked about he's simplified. He's making some adjustments with the swing like they all do, but he's just getting out of his own way. Okay, great. Let's see a prove that is the idea and he had. He has not been a streaky type of player and since he's won the three tournaments, he's been up and down so much. He makes almost sense more like the old school, you know, long term fantasy situation where he's going to pay you off, but on a weekly situation, he can be kind of frustrating and aggravating almost a no play just because of the threat to not perform well, no matter what he said, but he's doing it lately. I like him more as an outright on the betting board than I like the gala just because Clark's been there and done it before and the fact that he's actually playing this week ahead of next week's president's cup impressed me as well. I did not expect that. I'd like that commitment. Clark is second in the power rankings. Maverick McNeely is fourth. There've been a few courses early in McNeely's professional career where he has really been at his best and put himself in the hunt to win. Over time was one and the Silverado Resort where they're contesting this week's event in Northern California is another. He was a runner up 2001 did not compete last year because of an injury. He's a Northern California guy. He's a Stanford guy. And I think the markets Rob are respecting the fit here this week because McNeely is in the neighborhood of about 21. Yeah, right on the money there, man. Yeah, that's low as you'd expect. It's respectful, as you said. It's still low. I think lower than even respectful, I think 25-31 would be still respectful. But I'm sure he started a little bit longer than that. We're talking here on a midday on a Tuesday and he probably started a little bit longer than the sharks out there went after it sensibly so. The drawback is that he's still a non-winner on the PGA Tour. That's not going to last forever. We all know that. It's just a matter of when and not if always played well down at Pebble Beach. I mean, this is his own region. He's most comfortable. When my sleepers are published, you're going to see a non-winner as my outright to win as well. The drawback to those guys is that there's been only one in the last five editions of this tournament. However, the positive spin is that it was Sahith DiGala last year and it was the first time that this tournament was part of and let off the FedEx Cup fall when things have changed with the dynamics of how the PGA Tour presented schedule, membership status for the following season and so forth. So relatively speaking, there's more of an opportunity for these guys to break through so I'm leaning into that. You mentioned the President's Cup influence in the field here this week. That includes Max Homa, who is one of Jim Furyk's captains' selections and that surprised me, candidly. I really was hoping that Akshay Bhatia got the nod to be on that US team. I felt like his body of work, especially as of late, deserved it and warranted it. But here we are and Homa now has a chance to validate that selection, Rob. Not with much form to speak of at all over the last several months, but returning to a place where he's once once and captured four top 10s. I'll match your snub in Bhatia with mine and Horshel, Billy Horshel, I thought might have gotten that last spot. That was my call, but somebody deserving and you know, you only go 12 deep on the American side. So that happens every year in the matter of the team competition. A healthy debate to be had and certainly more, you know, carrots out there for both of those guys. You know, Homa in the Paul rankings overall is respect to Max Homa at Silverado, two-time champ, four top 10, T7 last year, he's comfortable, he's permanent class in this field. But yeah, man. I mean, he's as high as six, I'm looking at them like this, that a mistake. I don't know. It's still respectful. I wrote the thing. But you know, a day later, sometimes there's that remorse, but like, huh, what was I thinking, you know, whatever, he deserves it. I give him more benefit than doubt. The leash is out there, you know, had he not been chosen for the president's cup, he probably plays this week anyway, because he's been a fixture at Silverado. But I don't know if he makes the power rankings one. That's how much of an influence that is about 18 to one is six in the power rankings. Eric Cole is eighth in the power rankings at about 40 to one. This was right about the moment in time during last season that really triggered the heater that he went on in roots are when he rookie the year honors and he's been in sneaky good form better than I realized, in fact, as of late, hasn't he? Yeah. So seven for seven, three top 10s since the rocket mortgage. Yeah. Last year with a T four or fourth place finish at Silverado rather, and then, you know, three more podiums to walk it off. He already was on the inside lane. He was a clubhouse leader for rookie of the year in a season when he didn't win. He's still a non winner on the PGA tour. However, he went out and proved it in the fall. He basically just locked it up. He just ran away from the rest of field for the owner of Palmer award to the rookie of the year. He's been up and down this year. He's been, I mean, he had a nice start and he's been really quiet until recently. So yeah, lean back into him. I mean, heck, and now that I'm talking with you, I couldn't, I wouldn't have any problems swapping Cole and Homer six and eight. As you said, 40 to one herself for Cole to win this thing. You need to fall into a top five just because I'm stronger than other guys to win the thing. Let's continue with the president's cup theme and zero in on one of the Canadians who earned one of Mike Weir's captain selections on the international side. And that's Mackenzie Hughes. What an honor. I think he's got to be over the moon to be on the president's cup scene for the first time be selected by Mike Weir compete at Royal Montreal. All of it has to be just overwhelming for Mackenzie, who I think is going to be pretty fired up here this week. You described him as gritty and I think you nailed it with that description of the way this guy goes about his business. And I don't think there's going to be any look ahead to Montreal and he could be a factor this week. Yeah, he could be a problem next week for the Americans. I don't know who would want to play him. Let's put it that way. Yeah, he's been a wild card. He figures it out. He just gets in there and gets his hands dirty and he's really, really impressive and inspiring with how he goes about it. He looks good a lot on the weekly and then fall short, look, a lot of guys do, you know. But we saw what getting into the president's cup did for Taylor Penderith two years ago and Penderith is back. I've been rude for that guy as you know, for a while. I mean, just seeing his commitment to get back in there, obviously one this year, not playing this week, whereas Hughes is and that now he gets this opportunity. I mean, moving forward, this could be a big deal for that guy. But right now the pressure is off. He made the team, he can go out there and if he's feeling it, not that this is going to necessarily motivate him because he's already achieved, but if he's feeling any like, why does he deserve to be on the team? I mean, we know that you and I know that and many golf fans know that, but there's an opportunity to just go out there and say, look, this is why I'm good. This is why I belong on that team. This is why I could be a problem next week for the Americans top 10 for McKinsey Hughes this week. I love that Luke Clanton slipped into the power rankings at 13th this week. He's a junior at Florida State and yes, to answer a very basic question, just in case anyone was wondering, you can wager on someone who has yet to turn professional, which I'm sure some people might be this week. Look, he's climbing the PGA Tour University accelerated program one way or another. I expect this kid to be on the PGA Tour next season. Rob, he's got some serious game and the markets are taking notice. How about Luke Clanton, the junior at FSU, around 20-1 this week? Yeah, he was a favorite for one of his starts right after the close call. He didn't rise up to it, of course, to win. But yeah, tournament favorite is a, I love like, you know, PGA Tour as an organization has many departments that host internships. It kind of feels like Clanton is the player's member intern. He's played more professionally than he has as a collegiate certainly last three months but as an amateur overall, second round knockout at the U.S. amateur, but that's okay. I'll play the pro-core championship in a couple of weeks. A regular guy it seems, I mean, he comes from a modest background and here he is doing what he's doing. He had to go from the tournament in which he made the cut to fly to Minneapolis for the U.S. amateur and fly pot private and he's like, whatever, you know, I'll go up there and get to love that. Just go get it done because life is short and he's proving why talent can take you very quickly on the PGA Tour. So for him this week, yeah, I mean, I would reach for a top 10. He's that dynamic, the firepower is there, inexperience hasn't meant the thing. It's been, it hasn't been easy, but he's making it look easy. We're recording a day earlier than we typically do late on a Tuesday here. Thanks for your flexibility, by the way. So the sleepers have not been published yet. I haven't seen them. You've seen them. You've read them. Who's your outright winner among your sleepers this week? Yeah, I teased it earlier. It sort of wrote itself because when Mark Hubbard forgot to register, doesn't he have an agent, doesn't he have a team of people, doesn't he have like an alarm on his phone? No, I know. He explained it. He says he should have registered a while ago. He felt terrible about it. And all he did was metal at the open qualifier on Monday. Stranger things have happened. Just ask Mark Hubbard. So why not outright it? I think it was, what do I have here, 50 to one, 60 to one, as I wrote it. I'll check it before I file, but yeah, that's a nice vicinity for a guy who's played well at Silverado before. Hasn't had a top 10. You know, there's a guy that he's never one of the PGA tours I mentioned earlier when I was talking about Maverick Mealy, but has tons of support. Hubbard's wife is from Sacramento, so family and friends will be out there. He loves the area. There's all sorts of good vibes. And he's already gotten kind of the hard part done to get back in the tournament. If you drop the ball, you still have another way to get in. Yeah. I mean, he made the playoffs. He's set for status next year and there is the open qualifier. So if he wins, I know people who call it an open qualifier winning, but technically, you know, there's a, there's an asterisk on that. Who cares? Roof for the guy, 60 to one, four unit at Rob Bolden golf. That's how you follow the big man on Twitter and read his terrific work at pjtour.com in the golfbed space. Congratulations on your Huskies victory. You're still glowing. That's not just from the wind burn inside then either. Oh, man. Thank you. And we will talk of when we talk. I'm not sure that when that will be. Hopefully in a couple of weeks. We'll see you down the road. Hey, buddy. Talk to you then. And that will do it for the talk of the drill podcast this time around. Hope you enjoyed it. Thanks again to. We're going to park for his time and for Shiny and Rob Bolden. 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