PGATOUR.COM's Sean Martin and Paul Hodowanic join John Swantek from the TOUR Championship Media Center after Scottie Scheffler's historic season is rewarded with his first FedExCup. The three also touch on potential captain's picks for the Presidents Cup and the need for a Tiger Woods Award. Other notable stories include Xander Schauffele's emergence as a contender, Nick Dunlap's impressive performance as a rookie, and Brandt Snedeker receiving the Payne Stewart Award.
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TOUR Championship Roundtable with PGATOUR.COM's Sean Martin and Paul Hodowanic
will get you some of the questions. Thank you so much. Welcome to the talk of the tour podcast gang. It's the Monday September 2nd installment of the pod. My name is John Swanson and FedEx Cup playoffs are in the books. Scotty Scheffler, your FedEx Cup champion. He checks that box and he takes care of 29 others trying to track him down at East Lake in Atlanta. We can get the load on everything they went down during the week. Podcast comes your way every week. Listen, download, subscribe wherever you get your pods. Find me. Follow me. Hit me on exit. J swan PGA tour. FedEx Cup playoffs are history. Scotty Scheffler has written more history. Continuation of his marvelous career is a FedEx Cup champion for the first time. Let's get into everything that unfolded during the week at East Lake off club in Atlanta with our guys on the scene, Paul Hoadiwatek, Sean Martin from pjtour.com. Sean Scottie just kind of wrapped his presser not too long ago before you guys hopped on and thank you both. By the way, did he offer anything that you weren't expecting to hear? Maybe it was a little out of character form or was it just status quo, Scotty? He was exhausted. That's for sure when asked to kind of reflect on the season, he basically said I'm not in a position to do that right now. I think this week took a lot out of him. You know, he's been number one entering East Lake three straight years and with that comes the two shot advantage and not getting the job done as a professional, you know, not beating your peers when you start with the lead and also not finishing off incredible seasons on a winning note. Those both really weighed on him and he just really wanted to win the FedEx Cup and that was clear in his post round comments and his press conference. He was staked to the pole position the last two years as well. Paul left Atlanta without the FedEx Cup, so he was determined for a different outcome. To Sean's point, he told Mike Tarico and I felt like I played six rounds here this week. He was exhausted. He was also very stoic every step of the way until he was walking into the tunnel back to the clubhouse and let out this primitive Yelp, which I think was more about relief than anything else, wasn't it? Yeah, I think so. I mean, to Sean's point, you obviously want to start with the lead. Scotty said pre round like I wouldn't want to be anywhere else, but at 10 under at the top spot, but that comes with a certain expectations and that comes with pressure like you are leading the whole way and basically barring the first hole where he bogeyed and Xander birdied from then on Scotty birdied a hole shortly after and then suddenly he has the lead for the rest of the week. And so I think that in and of itself just weighs on a player as they are trying to take it one shot of time, but they also know they've got this lead that they never get at any other tournament and you've already blown it two years in a row. How can I not blow this thing and it got up to seven at one point today and then suddenly it was all the way back down to two. So he rode that roller coaster of emotions in the matter of about six holes on the front nine as well. They mentioned on the NBC broadcast, Paul, that it was the first wire to wire victory for Scotty as well, which kind of surprised me. But considering he had a two-shot lead to start the week, is that accurate? Can we whistle a technicality on that one? Probably a little bit of a technicality, but it was a technicality earned by his season, which kind of felt like he wasn't sure if he had earned this lead, but this is the format and he had played so well all season. This is how it goes. If it was just starting at zero, it might be Colin Morikawa that we're talking about. He won the 72 hole gross if you just count the strokes up from this week. So Scotty has to be thanking himself that he had those strikes. Sean, do we like the starting strokes format? Are there any tweaks forthcoming? I don't think there are. I think, you know, when they first announced it, they showed how really the end results would be the same, but in a much cleaner or fashion. Some may miss Steve Sands' whiteboard, but I think comes Sunday, just makes things so much cleaner. You're not dealing with decimal points and, you know, the ramification when a player makes birdie to, you know, join a group at fifth place and take, you know, seven points away from each player and, you know, getting affected by other players on the golf course and their movements. It only comes down to the leaderboard. So I think it's a cleaner way to do it. This year, obviously delivered the best and most deserving player. He is your better stuff. Chantier. I miss Steve Sands' whiteboard as well. He was the Tim Russert of the golf world. Paul, you cool with the format the way it's in place now? I think so. It's interesting. The players kind of don't know how to react to it because I just think it's so against their nature to start a tournament ahead or behind and they don't do it all year. So then they come here and it's like this, but to Sean's point, it's cleaner with just one winner on the 18 pole instead of trying to hand out two trophies and celebrate two winners. It seems as if that's going to stay. I haven't really had a problem with either format, but if this is the way they want to do it, I think it's worked out so far. The starting strokes did their job too. You know, Colin and Scotty were only separated by two shots this week. And so the margin really was the starting strokes and Colin didn't win this year, had an incredible year. Scotty won six times on the PGA tour. And so I think the starting strokes did what they were intended to do and they were the difference. Last player to win seven times in a season was named Tiger Woods. That was back in 2007, 17 years ago. Everything Tiger did was with such drama and emotion and histrionics and fanfare. Sean, it's hard to stack up the way Woods went about his business with the way Scheffler goes about his business because there are two very different parallels, you would say. I hope golf fans appreciate the body of work for Scotty this year. I know the players that were trying to beat him every Sunday as heck do. I think so. Adam Scott, who has seen both and gone head to head with both the U.S. but T were described Scotty's season at a level of dominance not seen since then. And that's really what it is. I think, you know, Scotty, we see those occasional emotional reactions, but there's no Scotty fist pump that compares to, you know, maybe Tiger and his Sunday red. I think Scotty does it in a much more steady manner. And that's really how Scotty tries to carry himself on and off the golf course. It's this floating manner where, you know, even this week, it didn't look like he did anything incredible. Everything was just really good and there were no mistakes. And it's hard to appreciate it. I think from the outside, it's not super dramatic, but it's just an incredible way to play golf and, you know, one that obviously you can attain. And not even a shank could deter him from winning on Sunday. Paul, that came at the eighth hole, and that's the only time that more of Cal felt like maybe there was a glimmer of hope he got within two. But Scotty, I think was so disgusted with the shank and the bogey that would follow that he just snuffed more Cal and everybody else at something that he does a lot. And we've witnessed it a lot this season, didn't we? Yeah, I mean, I was standing on the ninth brain, which is kind of up atop a hill and you can see down over the lake on to the eighth hole. And so I see him in the bunker and then you can't really see the wall from there. And then suddenly I see him walking behind the screen and I'm like, what the heck just happened? And someone in the crowd said he shanked it and I go, I was stunned because we don't see that out of Scotty. And then Colin even admitted like I still thought he was going to make par from there. And he almost did. And so Colin talked about how important it was for him to bury that, I think like nine foot putt for birdie that he had there. And suddenly it's two shots and I'm standing on the ninth brain thinking this could be a tie ball game on this hole. It went the other way though. Like Scotty just hits this remarkable shot that lands just a pace onto the green and funnels right back, hole high about five feet. More coward doesn't judge the distance right. He's short. He has to scramble just for par. And then he sticks it again on ten and then holes went on eleven. It was like Scotty was able to take Colin's punches right there after playing two of his worst holes of the week on seven where he almost dragged it out of bounds and then eight. So it was a remarkable bounce back. Scotty said Ted gave him a bit of a pep talk on the way to the eight call and that helped calm him and recenter him and they've just been such a great team all year and since they paired up. So I wasn't surprised that he did it, but I was ready for anything after that shrink. I ran into his head Scott after the round and the exact words to Ted said to Scotty were your Scotty Scheffler, basically reminding him that you've got ten holes left. No matter what has happened, you're still ahead by two and I would take you over anyone in this position and you know, that did the trick. Scotty Scheffler started playing like Scotty Scheffler, birdie the next three holes to go back up by five and that back nine turned into a coronation. I don't know where Ted Scott landed on the money list this year, Paul, but he earned every dollar of it, didn't he? And Scotty talks about Ted's influence and his manner and his calmness with a deep level of respect. They're a phenomenal pair and consider where Ted Scott was just a couple of short years ago, basically in semi retirement. Yeah. And I get asked to decent amount, like, would Scotty still be winning without Ted Scott or would this have happened if they never paired up and it's impossible to answer that question. You see the talent and you think that would come out regardless of who is on the bag. But clearly Scotty has a comfort ability with Ted and Ted provides enough to Scotty where this is possible. He said again, he's the most pivotal part of my team is what he said in the presser. So they are just kind of a match made in heaven. I think Ted just is enjoying the ride every time I talk to him. He's just so grateful that he gets to be with a guy like Scotty. It's hard to answer how this would have gone if they never linked up. But I think they're both just happy we did and the golf world should, too, because we're seeing something special with them lit together. Sean, you want to jump in? Go ahead. I was going to say one of the keys Ted said is he uses dad joke to calm Scotty down at time. See, when they were kind of in the interview process Ted goes, how do you feel about dad jokes? And they work well on Scotty who's got kind of that dry sense of humor, obviously a big office ban. So the secret to Scotty success is dad jokes. I've got a few of my repertoire as well. I just, I never use them at the right time. That's, that's the problem. So it was a new look newly restored Eastlake off club. And Sean, I really enjoyed the deep dive you did with Andrew Green, who was the man who headed up the restoration of Eastlake that was crazy low scoring, right? Mora Cowa, Scheffler, and Figala, I think all were at least 20 under on their own ball through 72 holes. Does the tour championship, because so much is at stake, need to be a tougher setup, or because we're in the entertainment business, Sean, are we right where we should be with the scoring? I think Eastlake did its job. And we also have to remember, you know, this whole restoration took place in 12 months that of course is not yet settled. It's very firm. And I think the setup team took that into account. Probably whole locations were a little tamer than you would normally see, you know, Eastlake is an important stop on an annual basis, and they don't want guys to have a bad taste in their mouth. So I think they're easing guys into this restoration. And I think as long as you have variability in scoring here because of the starting strokes format, I think that's what's key. And that's what you see at Eastlake is if you hit fairways, you've got scoring opportunities, you have wedges in your hand, but if you miss the fairway because of the Bermuda rough, you're scrambling for par. And so I think less the how low the scores are and more maybe kind of the separation that there is, but I think we saw on this field. I think that's what will make Eastlake a good tool championship site. All the fireworks were great, but do you see it the same way, or would you prefer to see a little, just a little bit more of a grind for the guys? I'm always a fan of seeing the guys get punched in the mouth a little bit, but I think because it's firm, I think people expected it to automatically be harder because of that. But I think shots were rolling out much further in the fairways than they were expected. And I think when the setup team has the full capability to set up the course how they want, they can keep the greens firm. They can slow other parts down. They can use more pin positions. They can understand a little bit more how this course plays and how they need to manipulate it to test the best golfers in the world. So this is definitely kind of, you know, ground zero for this iteration of the tournament and how it goes. Victor Albland said at the beginning of the week that he sees with how much they've expanded the greens out and brought in other slopes like they can make this a really, really tough test. So I think we just need to give it another year or two to fully grow in, fully settle in, and then we can kind of see, hey, is this still too easy for the guys? I want to get your thoughts both of you guys on maybe adding a little more symbolic value to the regular season. I know we have the Comcast business tour at top 10, which is a great initiative and throws a little more money on the pile at the end of the regular season. But I liken being the best player during the regular season to winning the pennant baseball before the World Series. And I feel like we've got the Jack Nicholas Award for player of the year. We've got the Arnold Palmer Award for player of the year, Sean. Why not have the Tiger Woods Award formally recognizing the best player on the PGA tour during the regular season? What do you think? I like it. I mean, we even get pennants. I mean, Scott, I appreciate the pennant to hang in that room where he stores all those sweat stained hatch from his childhood that he keeps as reminders of his hard work, hanging called pennants in there, you know, kind of like you see in a baseball game or a high school weight room. I think they're going to be a good vibe to it. A stiff head is. Paul, what do you think? Why not? You can hand out some more awards. I'm not. I'm not opposed to it. I do like like it was fitting this year that it was Scotty because it would have felt weird if it was anyone other than Scotty holding that trophy based on how we played. Maybe if Zander does it, it makes sense. But this felt like a very, very fitting way for this tournament to end. It doesn't always do that. But I at least right now, as I'm saying here, I have a great sense of closure of how the season ended mostly because of how Scotty did it. For sure. I mean, we used to hand out two trophies at the tour championship. So we've eliminated that awkward scenario. So. Swan, I think good move too to get Tiger Woods name on a trophy. You probably do need a Tiger Woods trophy at this point. Yes, that's the impetus, of course. So seven top fives without a win for Colomor Kawa this season, Paul, but 12.5 million. He's taken home. It's not a bad consolation, isn't it? No. And number two in the FedEx Cup is the highest he's been in his career his third time inside the top 10 in six seasons. I think for Colin, it's just kind of coming down to these final rounds. And so I think you think about the Masters. He's in the final pairing with Scotty. He loses his Scotty at Memorial. He's in the final pairing with Scotty. He was his Scotty. He's in the final pairing with Scotty. He was his Scotty. He's in the final pairing at the PGA, and just kind of stays stagnant and Xander Schopply goes and takes it. So. I asked him about that after the round, like, do you still feel like the season is a success? How do you take it? And he really just harped on the final rounds? I got to be better. And so I think it's going to be an uphill task. And I was really the only guy to push him. 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