John Swantek is joined by Sports Illustrated senior writer Alan Shipnuck and Golf Channel commentator Todd Lewis to discuss Jason Day's rising star.
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Alan Shipnuck from Sports Illustrated and Todd Lewis from Golf Channel
and welcome to the talk of the tour podcast for monday march twenty eight john swan tick and we are fired up to be increasing our output we're going to crank out to three pods a week most weeks uh... there'll be some travel some other uh... stuff other conflicts that may preclude that happening but most of the time we're to crank up three week for you people and uh... all the shows that formally stream live on p_j_ two or dot com you can now listen to or download the podcast any of them you can access them via tunes and tune in at the latest edition of talk of the tour or any of our shows uh... visit p_j_ two or dot com slash podcasts and subscribe today on the pot allen ship that before sports illustrated toddler was from golf channel as we discuss yet another victory for jason day that's six people in his last thirteen worldwide starts if you're scoring at home came in austin texas at the w_g_c_ del match play rising to number one of the official world golf rankings and creating some serious buzz and run up the next week's masters my first guest is a senior writer for sports illustrated golf magazine as well and uh... one of the contributors to the golf dot com crew and the weekly tour confidential roundup on golf dot com it's allen ship not joining us here in the talk of the tour podcast so there's a kid from australia his name is a jason day may have heard of them uh... he could be impactful player down the road and you might want to might want to get along on this one yeah he's a young comer for sure you know it it's funny how much it's changed you know a few weeks ago with what's wrong with jason and you know you start the year in the hospital tory pines and adapt adapting to a major champion and a dad second time over and all that stuff and the drama with his wife at the can run over by a little bra and it was kind of like oh yeah this guy can play golf now remember it's been it's been refreshing to to see him find it and uh... and even go to hold you know different level uh... especially with the master on the horizon so huge victory for him is definitely kind of reshaped the landscape a little bit and and i think pretty clearly he's he's a favorite head into august now you know he has been dealing with the injury book about for a few years now hasn't it never quite know what it is or when it's going to flare up we even saw that in austin uh... last week where's back gave out and it looks it looked awful when he nearly went down to his knees there it cuts both ways i mean there is there is a kind of a low low-grade worry about day can you just to stay healthy enough to have a sustained run on the other hand he's proven to probably the toughest guy on tour i mean played to vertigo back spasms through you know dehydration in the flu i mean you'd like to see him have smooth sailing but he's proven that he's mentally tough and he's physically tough and so uh... you know some of the guys if they would they would have wd so i mean it was it was really impressive to see him fight through that in austin it's a grueling format it's not a regular seventy two-hole event i mean he had uh... he had a double dip you know two days in a row playing two two matches it was he just he's gritty you know there was a though the time when he was kind of extravagantly talented underachiever uh... those days are over i mean the guy knows how to win you know how to fight and the learning how to maximize it incredible talent but just fun to watch yeah that's true it doesn't seem like it was that long ago when we were all wondering why isn't this guy winning more and it's only been a handful of years since he won on the on the web dot com tour and professed he wanted to be the number one right player in the world and we all said wait a minute young fella mean brash proclamations like that uh... were something we weren't used to hearing but obviously on this is a player with any any men's sense of self-belief right now i think that's really the the differentiator i mean uh... you look at you look at roaring and jason it was quite interesting to see them paired against each other because and they're you can say probably the two most talented guys in the game uh... top-to-bottom and is it just it really the different the only difference between the right now appears to be that self-belief and that confidence you know really just looks like he's out there trying to find it and and they just plays so carefree you know there's there's no hold back in that swing whatsoever i mean it it's just awesome to watch and release the club and he brings that confidence you know i think we're in there similar and at the driver defines them and when when they're swinging like that that that confidence filters into the rest of the game and he goes from being a good putter to a great putter uh... he just becomes that much more dialed in with his wedges uh... he just you can just see that i mean he just is confident like a bad cologne and and Rory you know he he can play that way we've all seen him do that but it's been a while and he just he just looks like he's searching a little bit so it was it was pretty it was a pretty stark contrast even for uh... you know in a match that went to the last hole they just just he just you know a different level to me he um... he certainly represents the modern golf swing there's so much speed and power and rotation as you point out but his short game is sublime i mean he has complete trust in that short game and there's never the substitute for relying on that part of your game allen because more often than not especially for the guys at the top they need to win with less than their best and he seems like he can do that but regularity now well that's funny because there was this whole cat fight on twitter yesterday about whose best is the best and it was transatlantic with people you know writers and i saw it yeah okay so you you're pretty to that you know rory's best is pretty awe-inspiring when we've seen it when when he gets going and when the major by each year you know major cancer by each stroke that that's rory's best but you know any of these guys when they're at a hundred percent whether it's day or it's bubble watson or speed they're probably going to blow away the field but what has happened one week a year maybe two i mean really the the key is can you win with your your your b-game or your c-plus game and that's what they seem to have mastered is just building around you know turning a seventy one into a sixty eight over and over and over and then you know across four days to have one hot round and that's going to be a sixty four sixty five and you look up and you know we start eighteen or twenty under and i think you know i i think rory doesn't have that same grind he just he's kind of content away for those weeks when everything feels great and uh... the problem is that there's not coming around often enough for the way you know speed maximizes round the way the way day uh... grinds out scores you know ricky fowler adam scott i mean these guys you guys have seemed to be learning how to bring close to their best more often than and it's good to see how how rory respond you know uh... he's got immense pride you know he's already been kind of usurped by speed obviously top of the world ranking and in the marketplace and now now day is pretty clearly uh... move past him as well so uh... i don't think rory's lack of motivation hidden the masters but uh... can you get out of his own way and he just play the way that he's capable of that's really the issue and so it can be fascinating to you how you respond to a lot today i guess we don't know who the best player in the world is now i mean jason days the number one ranked player in the world and certainly you can make a strong case that he is the best player in the game day along with speed and rory fowler on the fringe of those three perhaps that seem to be interchangeable at the top i wonder how much being number one means to these guys tangibly alan because for so many years of tiger had a stronghold on the top spot that no one even dared to even entertain the notion of being the number one ranked player in the world you think it's symbolic for these players or is it something real to them i think it's especially meaningful for day you know you made reference to that you have to be one of the one on the web tour that uh... you want to be number one now when tiger was at the at his absolute peak and i was like this kid crazy but you know it's been on his mind for a long time it's it's been a long hard journey to get there you know speed kind of came up in a different era tiger was already in decline and so the number one raking was more for grabs and maybe it doesn't have the same weight for him but i think i think it's meaningful to all these guys in that you know we can debate who's been to the best player in the world well there's a mathematical formula answers that question right out chasing day i do think we need to take the long view uh... you'll certainly be the last eight months displayed the best call for anybody on the planet i don't think a question about that but you know you look with speed to the first half of last year you can't can devalue that i mean it was a historic run there for a while so i think we need this year to kind of sorted out and uh... we then we can we can make a little more of a of a learned analysis but it's a fun thing to talk about i'm i'm sure that it was a lecture spring in your step when you wake up uh... on monday morning to yourself of number one like like they have but ultimately these guys don't win tournaments and if you win tournaments everything else kind of follow uh... i i think that's that's uh... the ultimate baseline is to win the most tournament to win the most majors and and the rankings is just a nice byproduct of that you know i find the relationship between day and tiger uh... fascinating and jason day in winning at bay hill and winning in austin over the weekend uh... has publicly uh... mention the exchanges that he's had with tiger mostly text biggest they talk on the phone too and it's it speaks to the evolution of of tigers place in the game i suppose alan and also the blueprint that he's providing so many young players jason day in particular and of all the guys at the top top level of the game these days day to me seems like the one competitively that's built most like tiger do you think yeah i think it's interesting it kind of reveals day humility which i think is part of of what's gotten them to where he is and all part of why he's so appealing but you know or he's always wanted to be his own man you know he didn't want to be westward as a mentor he didn't want uh... really grand McDowell he's always want to do it his way and uh... i think he and i have a kinship but he's never sought him out for counsel i think speeded is similar you know he's got you know he's got ben crenshaw on some of these other texas god you can go to but they've all kind of kept tiger at little arms lengthy what they want to be their own player they want to forge an identity but you know day has he said hey this this is a guy that would have been meaningful to my entire life you know why wouldn't i uh... go to him and i think you're right the tiger sees a little himself in in day in that just that utter fearlessness and it is an interesting relationship but it can only help it can only help jason day going forward i mean he's dealing with a lot of things and other players can't relate to as far as uh... you know rags to riches story on a really profound scale and i think we all know jason story at this point but uh... you know don't forget tiger grew up on on on pretty scruffy munis as well up was barely middle class most of his own existence so uh... i i think they have to have that bond i think um... tiger probably appreciate having someone he came out and it probably makes me feel good that you know he's he's hold up on his compound and you put all alone and uh... somewhat forgotten and now you have the best player in the world coming to him for for counsel whether it's about injuries or dealing with success or managing your money or who knows exactly what they're talking about but uh... he certainly has a lot of wisdom to impart i think i think it's a cool relationship and i'm i'm getting tigers getting as much out of it as jason is right now alan ship that uh... is our guest uh... sports illustrated story speaking of tiger coming out uh... this we cover story in fact right what uh... what can we can expect to give us a little peek yeah you know it's interesting uh... second time in three years tigers are going to be at the masters barring some sort of miracle and i think we're all starting to feel adapt into more profoundly you know the game is really moved on with with this period a couple years ago and it was open question you know what is golf going to be like without tiger he's just going to weather and blow away in the wind and now you've got this this whole generation of of really likeable telegenic media savvy young stars and the game is in a fantastic place and i think it's a kind of hasten this this feeling of you know tigers time has passed and so that the story really kind of it's not an obituary but it's it's uh... you know a competitive obituary but it really is about tigers life right now and and more to the point how did we get to this moment you know there's with everyone in golf talks about tiger it comes up with the next one on airplane or when you're having dinner with with colleague either constant uh... source of conversation and speculation and conjecture and so you know i think there's about thirty tour players quoted in the story really went to everyone close to tiger past and present and to get their opinion and their take on and what happened you know how do we get here it was i've been following you know tiger and i turned pro the same year he came out of the effort i came out u_c_l_a_ both in nineteen ninety six of them i've been following them the whole life really and uh... even for me i learned a lot just um... all the people i talked to go back and reading a bunch of bographies uh... with all my shell for fifteen years i had cracked them you know i went out of the tiger was learning center and i am spent a day there hung out in jupiter and kind of panel the pavement there and really just immersed myself in all things tiger news interesting exercise i think i think even for people who think they know the story of the will be a lot of uh... a lot of insight did you talk to the story we have an email exchange you know he uh... it doesn't do many one-on-one and we all know and uh... but it was i was happy to at least get some insight from in that in that format and in some ways i'm not sure tiger could even really articulate you know what happened this is a kind of story where it people around him might have a better idea uh... his voice is in there for sure but uh... there's a lot of other perspectives i think that are super valuable sounds like uh... maybe there's no startling revelations that will read in this but did you get any sense as to when his competitive return might come any kind of time frame no i don't think anybody knows that and really the the feeling i got more than any was that that maybe this is the right time for him to walk away you know that tiger always love to talk about his injuries is kind of these war wounds of his of his craft and you know if he walks away now the narrative is that injuries cost him a chance to catch jack you know tank haney told me that that sounds better than saying that he just lost his eye or he threw it all away with a recklessness in his private life and i don't feel like you know at this at this moment time there's not a sense of tiger misses the game you know he seems this is the most peace and space he's had in his entire adult life and he's really immersed in his foundation he has his restaurant he has his kids and you know really meaningful way and i think he may be he himself is making peace that that you know his time has passed and you know there's nothing left to prove to anybody and record speaks for itself and you know to bang his head against the wall and come back and struggle to break 80 again i'm not sure what that accomplishes and maybe he's questioning that as well because you know all the players who are close to him the general feeling i got was he seems at peace he seems happy he seems relaxed and more so than they're used to seeing so maybe tiger tiger did it better than anybody's ever done it for a very long time you know maybe that's enough and maybe he's realizing that it's an interesting moment you know we'll see i can't imagine none of us can unless we've played a sport at a high level and to sort of wrestle and come to grips with your own athletic mortality i mean how many times have we seen athletes in all kinds of sports and just hang on to long boxers in particular but a lot on some athletes have done it and i suppose in golf there's a little more longevity that you have in the bank and that's the glimmer of hope we still have with woods don't you think well sure i mean if gary player what a master's at forty two and jack did a forty six and uh... you know sam's need was competitive with fifty and you look at what fill doing now at forty five i mean he certainly not too old but you know there's a lot of things in play i mean what i did a deep dive with more brodie and looked at the tiger stats you know two thousand thirteen when when he uh... was healthy was the last kind of healthy year post scandal and this compared all the numbers to two thousand nine which was his last healthy year you know pre-scandal and higher is basically eight shots worse per tournament from two thousand thirteen two thousand nine if you look at stroke gained putting shipping and driving and two thousand nine nine in one of his seven or eight best years i mean he did have a lot of holiness game even when he was player of the year you know he had so much know how kind of learn to play around his deficiencies he got it done some great putting weeks and on some courses where he's had a lot of institutional knowledge but um... you know particularly well if his back gets better then he'll be okay i mean that's just not reality uh... he's been in deterioration for a long time you know whether it was fully or hanging or the people i talked to you i mean everyone's pretty candid that his work ethic is not what it was you know that the tiger of the turn of the century who had this maniacal drive to be the best ever that wasn't the same you know people didn't see that in two thousand six seven eight nine ten was he just uh... it's hard to sustain that level of intensity forever and so if you don't have the same desire your body's not what it was you've built up a lot of scar tissue your skill to deteriorating uh... to think that he can come back and be anything close to what he was and that's just wishful thinking it there's a lot of things working against tiger i mean we'd all like to see him do it again you know obviously watching him at his peak was the thrill of a lifetime for all of us golf and it would be wonderful if you could have one more run we would all embrace that but you know i think i think there's an element of fantasy there and it might be it might be better and healthier for all of us just to let go and just appreciate what what we got to witness and uh... not hold them up to this this mythical standard and uh... you know this is kind of time to let go and say you know he's a great ever played a game they're certainly the most dominant watching him was uh... with something we'll never forget and and i need to appreciate the year we're in now because you know tiger is over you know meanwhile there is a record being compiled uh... of tiger-esque proportions on the l_p_g_a_ too i wanted to get your take on lydia co because she just won for the eleventh time on the l_p_g_a_ uh... won the key a classic on sunday she's eighteen years old i mean to put it in perspective on the source of the one of first l_p_g_a_ that allen so she was twenty-five it's hard to get our our head around what lydia coz doing is it when we step back and look at it yet to get the joy to watch you know that i had to spend a day with her in uh... in the bay area people you know when people saw her and death curry havin they're put off at the wars practice that was probably a video that i took and we have lunch and went to a photoshoot and bobbed around and i just let it go to my fair people in golf she's just the total sweetheart and just a really fun personality completely low-key um... you know at eighteen it's it is remarkable what she's done and yet she's completely unaffected by it you know she's the exact same person that she was two or three years ago and it's just it's hard to pinpoint her genius on the golf course uh... you know she's not she's not crazy long but she's probably closer to average in lane she's a great putter but she she's not like speed he's raining and thirty footers all the time is everything about her game is efficient but it's really analogous to the warriors you know what makes the warriors so good it's it's the uh... the sum of all the parts it's so much and there's there's a flow to how they play that sort of transcend exes and oh it's the same with co there's there's just uh... there's an ease of which she plays and the natural it's really fun to watch and you need to watch her play a lot to really appreciate it because she doesn't she doesn't dazzle you with her skill set but she just has a knack for shooting sixty six and um... there's something um... something effortless about it there's not to not to take away from uh... the hard work in the preparation she does but she just she just has a fuel for playing the game that that's almost unmatched by anybody on on any tour so it's it's it's great to watch her and i fully expected to keep winning you know discount is a slump for you on the first lpj win of the year rolling in march and i it's gonna it's gonna be really fun to see her play the major to see i i think that's her focus uh... i think she feels more comfortable on those kind of setting i fully expected to have a have a great run this summer yeah it's too bad that more people are not noticing it and i think within the golf world in that realm uh... they certainly are but you know let's face it as much as we love the sport as much as people like you and i who are most in a week-to-week appreciate the the complexity of the sport how difficult the game is it is a niche sport in the in the golfing landscape and within that niche women's golf is a and even more narrow niche alan i think so uh... what lydia co is doing might not be sort of creating the buzz that it that it deserves and perhaps if she were a man i mean look at that as as a double standard perhaps i think a profile would be through the roof wouldn't it yeah he was a different women you know she did the thing about about lydia cola it's so refreshing is she doesn't care at all about celebrity or fame or money and she just she loves to play golf she loves to compete and everything else there is completely relevant and is refreshing it is a big part of a charm but also as you say probably prevents her from being more of a crossover figure if you look at like the top and she's dying to be a star you know she uh... she craves the spotlight and is up and wrong with that if you know if she went to dinosaur and then the u_s_ open and that's going to be great she'll be a letterman and she'll be everywhere and she'll be on doing racy photoshoots for gq and uh... that helps that helps for her it probably helps promote the tour and that's not a bad thing anyway but you know lydia co could care less about any of that i mean the people around her uh... you know her and i_m_g_ and l_p_j_ they love her to pieces but the hurt that they're always flabbergasted that how little she cares about these opportunities that come her way like going to the warriors thing was cool because you want to meet the f_kurry like we all want to meet the f_kurry right but um... you know she could have done a ton of other media on that trip so that i think i would take a nap and go practice uh... it's great it's going to sustain her she's not going to you look at your speech he's already looked like he's burnt out at twenty two you know part of it is you know travel around the globe sucking up appearance fees and signing coke deal and everything that comes with that and lydia's like no i'm just going to keep it low-key and so uh... it really is going to help her long-term success but as you point out it it probably inhibits her from being properly appreciated uh... for her that's fine she's sold still make that trade you know seven days a week but uh... for other stakeholders in the game you know who'd love love to see the lp_g_a_ and and pop player have a higher profile there's an element of frustration speaking of uh... stuff carry in the warriors i just have a feeling alan that the spurs are going to take down the wars in the western conference finals do you see it differently do you see them going back to back gold and state the larry o brian trophy coming back to steve current company yeah well i could practice by saying that i've been a wars family whole life right i grew up in the northern california and i suffered to the that you're a you know joe barely care you know i was there i was in i was in the building when when uh... to be full-aid one for twenty nine point in one quarter against the Lakers which was probably the greatest moment team history for for decades of course i'm hoping for the warriors but that the spurs are scary there's no doubt i mean that that that's going to be a war they could just skip ahead to game seven right now the western conference final and uh... in paper with a lot of time but you know i i believe in the war is that i think they just find a way to have a knack for winning they have to have too many weapons for san Antonio but it's going to be it's going to be it's going to be one of the probably one of the all-time classic series i'll say that the uh... the years of run t_m_c_ with chris maulin and mitch richmond and r_m_r_a_ pretty fun though what they they were mitch richmond my favorite player at his poster on my wall i mean second only to larry smith mister means and in fact when when i was at the warriors facility with lydia co there was this this huge poster of i i i took a picture i said that my dad's ex-girlfriend i think all the games with that photo and we've had a laugh so yeah i'm i'm warriors to the bone but you know and i will say that if you're a golf fan you should be pulled for gold state because at this point we all know that that curry's a big golfer right now i played i played spy glass filled him a couple years ago which is toughest course on monor peninsula he made six birdies and shot seventy-oh i mean the guy's a legit scratch and uh... you know and he got the biggest golf fan on that team you know andrea gudala he though he's a maniacal golf fan when i went up we were when i was there with with lydia they started talking and he's like oh i'm a huge lp p j fan i said yeah prove it to her the top five in the world ranking it's like rattle on the way ok lydia it's uh... like you know they like it was unbelievable he and steff are talking about trying to speak out to the u_s_ women's open this summer when it is a court avail which is just about an hour south of san francisco and um... so these guys love their golf and clay tobsen was on morning drive not too long ago and steve cur probably got the job because he's a golf buddy with joe lake of who's one of the warriors co-owners and has a house on the fourteenth old pellet beach and a vanity you know ownership stake in the pellet beach company so i mean golf is in the d_n_a_ of of this team so if you're on the fence about whether or not to to root for the warrior and you're listening to the show then roof of the warriors because they love golf and it's part of the team culture in a big way as a next man believe me i lament the fact every day that steve cur is uh... out north of california at new york uh... because it always will play enough golf right they're not cool enough to like be part of steve cur's golf click and then they missed out uh... yet another lesson about how golf can enrich your life alan was fun uh... i enjoyed it at alan ship not cuz i follow him on uh... twitter and he will have the needle out if you come after a month would have so be uh... before war thanks we'll talk to you soon alright so i think he's done so really looking forward to alan ship next cover story on tiger woods this week sports illustrated and uh... all of our size platforms alan admitted there's really no great revelations forthcoming here but uh... i suspect this will be pretty thought-provoking peace of work there were uh... email exchanges with tiger asked him about that along with it but from about thirty players and really the alan's point tiger woods is always a compelling subject even when he's injured and not playing you could talk about tiger woods with anybody your dentist your mother-in-law your babysitter total stranger in the airport yeah i have many times in fact the people who might notice you know if you get your logo on a bag or something i'm carrying or wearing what do we end up talking about tiger woods such was the whole that he had on the game for so long and it was strange by the way not having him at the match plan austin texas last week our next guest was in austin texas at the w g c dale match play a quick hop home to our lando then right back to the lones star state for this week's shell houston open for tod louis from golf channel but he has a very good reason to be home in orlando for a day and barely a day he's wife melonie the proud parents of daughter addison born what just a couple weeks ago right time congratulations thank you february twelve what was it like what was the experience like everything you hoped it would be i've surpassed it uh... i'm forty-eight so being a data forty eight is definitely interesting uh... but it was beautiful it's beautiful i'm i'm really looking for a day home if spinning it's thirty six hours watching it's starting to smile now you know proud that you want to be there for that you're youthful forty eight by the way i'm i say thank you are you knowing you you're probably looking forward down the road to like the difficulty of bending over picking up a kid when you're when you're more experienced at it will be yeah true but i mean i may thank you for the compliment my exterior may look useful for the inside or not and i was lost in the the vibe of the city is wonderful anyone who's been there knows it and uh... it seems to spill over into the tournament was a great week there at the match play wasn't it yeah i agree i mean that that's my first visit to austin and then all of the world and i've had that actually on my list of places to go and uh... for the city it's got a tremendous vibe about a great music there obviously wonderful restaurant river walking city downtown if you ever go uh... in the golf course is fantastic players raved about this p dot layout and it was like two different nine to front nine was filly and a lot of contours the back nine went down towards the water which is really cool as well that felt uh... you know i think dealt with happy that that's that's very important uh... you know and they they've got the next three years uh... having that w_g_c_ event they're in austin and who knows uh... developing very happy we may see an extension of the contract it was that positive this week and the week sort of uh... kicked off the paramount theater uh... last monday golf channel did sort of a bracket especially your part of uh... that production that was sort of a big deal that was uh... something different we hadn't seen before well you guys blew it out a little more this year i guess yeah we were we're still learning this you know we were in our studio back in Orlando last year we took it on the road this year with a live studio audience which is tremendous at uh... but great energy about it and you know we had we're back away and which is always there and next year we're already talking about maybe a small players there who knows what we might do we might bring some live music in there uh... so yeah you just never know we're still it's still a work of progress but we're very happy with taking the the draw show on the road if they bring in a lot of music you're gonna have to fight the urge to not perform hahaha uh... thought you get away all the secrets moment uh... how about the format itself uh... we went to this round robin group play last year uh... and what came of it was we got to see the big stars uh... guaranteed to be around for a few days they made a couple tweaks here and there there's no more volatility is no more finality to the one and done is with the way it used to be for years time but uh... what do you think and what are the players think for you to talk to them well there's a small minority of players that i talked to you it should remain a one and done because that increased the focus on increasing intensity uh... but a large majority like this format not only does it uh... give you three chances or three opportunities and competitive action and matches but it also because of where it falls in the schedule it gives you competitive reps prior to august national in the masters which is right around the corner now uh... so i would say a large majority of them like there may be a few that would rather go back to the old format but i i think it's good because you get to see you can see a lot of matches for for three consecutive days yeah it's kind of a and see double a march madness slash world cup hybrid now isn't it correct yet exactly what it is uh... how much is today how impressive is he six victories in his last thirteen starts and uh... it never feels like it's in question with him even when things look like they're a little stressful in his game gets a little sideways you never feel like is going to call for that do you know i think he's a complete player and i think he's been kept a consistent please uh... complete player i mean i have lost at this morning from our research department no player has more victories in the last three p_j_ to receive it and i think that you're going to be uh... not to be walking up or mac or eight days today but eight now and like you mentioned six of those coming to july the twenty-six you know he's not the longest but he's definitely not the shortest worries just a little bit longer than i'm actually from playing the call slot jason caddy we talked a lot about his performance of the week and lawyers just a hair longer on jordan may be a little bit better putter in those degrees uh... the back variables there between jason and worry off the tea and jordan and jason on the green it's minute uh... he short game is right now the thing that i believe it's taken over the edge into being that dominant player with six victories in his last thirteen starts and he is really great around the green and that's going to make him a very lethal threat and a gust of national policy is an interview subject to how is he interacting with fans dot and how is he handling uh... would is quickly becoming superstar at least in the golf world yeah i think he falls into the same category as we keep out of the same as jordan speed the same the journey uh... mac or one and that is that first and foremost i feel like he's always honest at least with me and and i hear talk to others to you and i i i don't see any reason for him to be trotting any kind of or belief uh... i really do appreciate it honestly i think the fans do as well uh... as far as the same you know i asked him in our championship interview uh... for golf central asking he's going to be going to be number one in the world at the master's not even if jordan winds he's not the sweet are you welcome that spotlight without hesitation absolutely i want to feel uncomfortable that's what you work for is to be uncomfortable in these situations that found that to be very striking so i appreciate it not to eat as soon as he wanted to get through the ceremony started signing autographs the fact i love that a lot about a picture on twitter uh... so i i think he i think he's not i don't think he's on a road to superstar to my think he's already there uh... rory and day in the semi that felt like the championship match on the car didn't it it did as i think of that really did feel like that man versus a man on the golf court of course uh... and you know it was a great match me that was the first time jason they had seen the eighteen whole all week in rory pushed him there uh... i think it's a sense that that rory was not quite comfortable with his putting on sunday and maybe that's something he can work on at this week prior to a private against the national but um... there was a fantastic matches great to see great to see it worked out so you do have this type of meeting you do kind of wish it was in the finals but i think that i thought so here we go again in the run up to a gusta tod with mackeleroy chasing the career grand slam in the enormous pressure that's going to come with it next week when he steps on the grounds of the gas the national i'm sure you talked to him this past week how is he feeling about his prospects next week i think the best thing or or mackeleroy happened yesterday when jason day one because now jason day arrives at a gust national after winning his last two starts uh... adam scott has won twice in a row this year um... george steve is the defending champion and that kind of pushes worry a little bit to decide not a lot but a little bit under the radar um... and i think that's great for worry because that offers you know him an opportunity to kind of slightly combat this internal pressure that's not the external pressure before at the internal pressure now uh... in a better perspective because he admits last year he wanted it so much that you know your father tell us it's all time he got in his own plane and i think that you know him not having the large majority of the white hot spotlight and that national this are in a couple weeks i think it's going to be a benefit for him i think it was a productive week for jordan speed pre-known group play then eliminated when they went to the round of of sixteen but i is it your sense of jordan got something out of the week that he was looking to get out of the week now you know i i i think he did wednesday and friday but on saturday i actually stood behind him watching him warm up um... for his match with lou u_s_a_ and he was scurley through through the bag and and he said actually he was very honest again dishonesty i talk about he said i knew it was going to be a rough day from the first ten shots in on the driving rate so he couldn't figure it out either we can figure out for the ball position over with alignment uh... but he he struggled with it as soon as you got on property obviously lost the match and i asked him i said you think this is a problem that should be an easy six inches i think so i think he's gonna spend a lot of time or maybe that's been a lot of time of the weekend which is something actually working on some things and and he'll try to get it fine-tuned at the shell he's over this week but i think it's kind of good and bad he was disappointed that i was on the day where he had to win to move on it was a non-pool play back to get through your space he wasn't able to get it done and and his swing was off so you have the demands on his time have been incredible this year you knew they would be after a transformative a season last year for speed he seems in his dealings with the media side to be as gracious as ever uh... there's nothing to the contrary that you've seen right no absolutely uh... you know there were some talk at the beginning of the year that he's doing too much this not not not not i think i find jordan to be the same uh... guy that he was his rookie year of of the p_g_a_ tour uh... and you know i think i think he's trying to be that same guy too but he's getting pulled in a million directions uh... and so he has to manage that well but fortunately as good team around him catty michael growler and agent jay dansi and so i think i think they're doing a really nice job and managing him to make sure his time is used wisely i wonder if he's tapped into to tigers uh... expertise knowledge on on dealing with all that much in the way that jayson day has tapped into the woods competitive blueprint that's a good question but you know that you know who had he asked talk to it's death curry and tom brady about that under on your eyes yet they both are under on regard to the matter fact jordan i was open about talking with spending some time with tom brady at under on revenge or shoot or or something like that and talking about dealing with saying that something that somebody has been dealing with for a long time and this is new to jordan speed being under that giant mega spotlight that he's under right now so i i i think he's fine and i think he's you know he's fine if you know it's not it wasn't it wasn't an easy transition for tiger me it's when you when everybody's looking at you when you are in that fishbowl uh... in you can be uncomfortable but you know just like tiger jordan it didn't he got a taste of that fishbowl at least when he was a teenager so i i don't think it's something that makes him massively uncomfortable but you know he he had adjusted pretty well yeah we we forget that tiger for as polished as he's become and how effectively he navigates the media he had some very public missteps early in his career yeah absolutely and jordan may too you know who knows and uh... you know for example people criticizing one of the golf course for getting so upset and you know and and that you know i don't know if that's good or bad jordan's actually said to me when i asked him about it he said if i didn't have that fire in my belly if i didn't have that emotion if i didn't let it out that i i don't think that i would be a position that i am right now so that he sees it as a motivator to come to you that the as an obstacle um... you know it's it's to each their own every personality is like every finger print every individual has their own when it comes to playing golf at that level we thought we were going to have a uh... jordan speed ricki Fowler sort of uh... made for t_v_ head-to-head event we thought it was going to come together last week it kind of dissolved isn't it yeah i am uh... you didn't get it i would like to see ricki kind of get things going again he looks so well at the beginning of year uh... and i would have been wanting to know the big event people here don't really understand that the field that they have that european toward him and i would have to be really strong on the train to get that victory you know obviously not you felt uh... kind of like a road right now ricki had but it's got another week to sharpen things up just like jordan shell he's an open i i think i think his demeanor set up to win a major i think he's really hungry forty wants to be prepared so i think it was a good track for him too you mentioned step curry tom brady we need a football golf basketball challenge along with speed under our needs to make that happen like yesterday don't they yeah that's great we need it i don't know our by the way i mean i i i'm not an endorser but then everything they seem to touch towards the goal of i'm ready to prepare to speak in a book uh... i might buy stock myself now you can get by it was just those three in the stable right exactly hey uh... the photo of your daughter addison with arl palmer was incredible how did sort of lead me up to to the moment when that when that picture was taken at bayhill well thank you for that it actually got a lot of run uh... my life is that inside with this child with the screening and feeding improving and feeding for a long time and it was a week of a hill obviously we live at our land there i'm coming up of course and bring this out and i'm like okay you sure as i guess i don't know if you remember but it was like ninety degrees that week and so my wife shows up uh... at bayhill as of course that takes me out of my element because i i have to pick them up in my golf cart will haul them around parts of the park and move with the stroller so i mean i'm i'm still learning as a father uh... and sure enough about fifteen to twenty minutes in my last okay this is too much we got to get out of here they've used crime effort okay let's just stop i see see mr palmer and she's like really like i'm going to be trying to get you know just just a moment so i walk in and uh... i see his assistant janet mr palmer did you right now i was like well let me look she peeked into his office and he was in there with his sister and his wife cat and uh... they asked me to come on in and so i came in and we said hello and uh... uh... we just if it is we walked in he didn't even he barely acknowledged us he looked right at at us and grabbed her put her right in his giant still has giant hands as he is eighty six and and just gave her so much love and attention it was really cool to see and you know i have said this before i can't wait to tell it that she was in the arms are great to set that that'll be a special moment for me when you get thought uh... one of the awesome story to tell your daughter someday uh... enjoy every moment of it congratulations to you and melody i'm glad you're home for twenty four hours and have a safe trip back down to houston thanks dot twenty always love the victory thank you and that will do it for today's talk of the two or podcasts want to thank my guests allen shipnet from sports illustrated who we learned had a poster of mitch richman of the golden state warriors in his room as a kid uh... toddler was from gop channel thanks to the new dad as well from tab we learned that arl palmer still has enormous meat hooks for hands at the grandfatherly age of eighty six uh... hope you enjoyed the show today you can listen to and download the podcast uh... by visiting p_g_a_ tour dot com you can access all of our content there the iTunes and tune-in so for the latest talk of the tour or any of our shows visit p_g_a_ tour dot com slash podcasts and subscribe today john swan tech and leave you 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