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"Foundation" series by Isaac Asimov
- Hey everyone, welcome back. We're strapping in for a deep dive today, taking on Isaac Asimov's foundation. - Yeah, real classic. - Definitely a sci-fi giant. And we're going beyond just the spaceships and lasers, although, gotta love those too, to really dig into Asimov's big questions about civilizations, like are they inherently self-destructive? So whether you've got the whole galactic empire memorized, or this is your first hyperspace jump, we've got you covered, we're gonna break down the core plot, the themes, all that good stuff. So buckle up. - And what makes foundation extra fascinating, I think, is Asimov started writing this in the 1940s, right? - Oh, absolutely, right after World War II, it's like imagine that context, the atomic bomb, everything. - Exactly. Coming out of that, with all this history of empires collapsing, and Asimov's thinking, can we break free from this rise and fall? That's basically the seed for foundation. - It's like he took that fear, that question, and turned it into, well, are we doomed to reeky history? And that's where psycho history comes, and the beating heart of the series. - Right, which I gotta say, when people hear predicting the future, they think crystal ball, but psycho history is way cooler than that. - Oh, way cooler. - Yeah. - This is like imagine understanding history with the same precision as physics. Like, knowing a rebellion is a sure thing, not because some mystic said so, but because of like population numbers, economic trends. - Even how fast information spreads. - It's almost unsettling, this power Asimov gives to Harry Selden, this math whiz who can basically see the future, all thanks to psycho history. - And let's not forget, Asimov wasn't just some sci-fi dreamer, the guy was a historian at heart, he was obsessed with the fall of the Roman Empire, and you could feel that echoing through foundation. - Totally, like he's wrestling with, do all civilizations have a life span, a peak, and then this inevitable crash, which honestly feels super relevant even today, right? Like, climate change, political division, it's all there. - Both, big time. - But here's the kicker, Selden doesn't just predict the fall, he comes up with this insane plan to build these foundations, these safe havens of knowledge, to soften the blow and rebuild faster. - It's like he's playing 40 chess with the fate of humanity. - Seriously. (laughs) But of course it wouldn't be a very good story without some curve balls and amazing characters. - Absolutely not. - So we have the first foundation stuck on this far off planet terminus, like way out in the galaxy. - Galliberately plays too, right? - Yeah, on purpose, their whole deal is they've got all this advanced science, basically they're super power. - But it's more than just having cool tech, it's knowing when to use it. That's the human element. - Exactly, like look at Selvar Hardin, this leader who's gotta navigate these power struggles with neighboring kingdoms, and he uses everything, religion, diplomacy, sometimes straight up tricks to make sure the foundation survives. - And just when you think you've got a handle on things, Asimov throws in, well, the mule. - Oh, the mule. Talk about a curve ball. He's mutant with mind control powers, like even psychohistory couldn't predict that, right? - It makes you wonder, can you really calculate for-- - But are they the good guys? That's the question. - Right, like manipulating things for the greater good or something, I don't know, a little more intense. Asimov keeps you guessing for awhile, that's for sure. - Oh, for sure. What I find so interesting about them, they really highlight this tension between like the grand plan and then individual actions. - Oh, totally. - Like in foundation and empire, when they basically orchestrate this showdown between two powerful figures, and it's all to ensure the foundation survives. - It's like how much of history is actually these unseen forces, you know, shaping events from the shadows, it's kinda creepy when you think about it. - It really makes you think. - Like Asimov's reminding us, even with all our fancy models and predictions, the universe especially humanity is gonna throw you a curve ball. It's gonna throw you for a loop. And that's what makes foundation so good. It's not just a straight line. You're constantly dealing with free will, fate. Are we really in control? - It's big stuff. It makes that whole idea of psycho history even more intense, like can knowledge really fight against decline? Or is it all just gonna, I don't know, repeat? - Are we stuck in some cycle? - Yeah, and Asimov doesn't give you easy answers, that's for sure, he makes you confront it head on. - Absolutely, and he does it so well by just weaving those questions right into the story. - Oh yeah, remember how the First Foundation uses religion on terminus? - Oh yeah. - To manipulate those kingdoms. It's like they manufacture this whole crisis, play on everyone's fears. - It's such a morally ambiguous move. - Totally, makes you think, even if the goal is saving civilization, is it right? - Yeah, where's the line? It's all a gray area. - It's so gray, and it makes those leadership choices, especially during a crisis, even more intense, like how much control is too much. - When does being practical turn into manipulation? - It's a tough one. - Seriously, and where do you draw the line between acting for good and just imposing on others? And this, I swear, feels even more relevant now. - 100%. - It all comes back to that question, Asimov throws at us. What kind of leadership does humanity really need? - Is it the cold, calculated foundation approach, or is there something else? - And that's where I think Gaia comes in. - Ah, Gaia, now we're talking. I'm blowing concept. - A living planet, where everyone, even the planet itself is part of this one giant consciousness. Talk about a different kind of society. - It really flips everything we know about, like individuality, leadership, the whole thing. - Oh, completely. Almost like Asimov saying, what if we just get rid of conflict? Not by force, but by like becoming one, you know? - Merging into this harmonious whole. It's definitely utopian. - Super utopian, but is that what we'd actually want? Would we give up being us, our individual selves, even for that? Or is that, in a way, its own form of control? Even if it seems benevolent, there's that question lingering underneath. - Right, like are we really free if we're all just one? - And that's the beauty of how Asimov ends it. He doesn't give you a straight answer. He lays out Gaia as this possibility, this future for humanity. - But he doesn't say if it's good or bad, right? - Exactly, it's up to the reader to grapple with, is this a utopia, a dystopia, or something in between? - That's what makes foundation, even all these years later stick with you, you know? It's not just about the cool tech and space battles, although those are awesome, it's these timeless questions we're still dealing with. - It's about the human condition, really. - Totally, like it makes you wonder, if we had that power to actually shape the future, steer away from all the mistakes, what would we choose? - Would it be the first foundation's logic, second foundation's subtle hand, or something like Gaia? Completely different. - And what's so interesting, Asimov doesn't say any of these are the right answer. He just presents them with all their good and bad. - And leaves you to figure out what you think. There's no easy way out. - Makes you think. - Seriously, so we've gone from a crumbling empire to this crazy gamble with the foundation, to questioning if we even have free will, and everything seems, I don't know, mathematically predictable, it's a lot to unpack. - It really is, but as we leave Asimov's universe, the question I keep coming back to is, if you were Harry Selden with all that knowledge, what future would you try to build? - That's a big one. - It is, and it's one worth thinking about. Thanks for joining us for this foundation, deep dive everyone. Hope you've got a whole new perspective on this classic, and maybe even on your own place in history.