- A chorice queen, please have a one word prompt. - Dolls. - All right, here we go, three, two, one. (horn honks) - They're called action figures. I have dolls, I have action figures out of this movie. - Who's given away life-sized dolls? What church is this? - That's a lot of money, those things are expensive. - Yeah, I can get some dolls. - Is that what the donation money's going to? - Maybe, hold on one second, hey, welcome to the over-talking podcast with your host, Ken and CJ, say hi CJ. - I see Jay. - This is the show where we talk over TV shows and movies as chosen by our guests. And this week, I highly suggested we talk about one legs. - Oh, so the guests didn't pick the movie, huh Ken? - Chris, what we wanted to do, and I think last time we were on, we talked about maybe doing this. - I don't remember that. - Keep the Nicholas Cage train running here. - Just break in the form of the show, choosing the movies. - Oh yeah, I'm the one who started this. (laughing) Look, we, I think we've talked about almost every single Nick Cage movie in recent memory, except for Arcadian, which I watched recently, it was actually pretty good. - Oh, okay. - But maybe too spooky for CJ, but. - Miss wasn't? - I guess we'll find out, but maybe let's bring out our guest. - She's basically the third co-host of the show at this point, it's Chris, huh. (laughing) - I got, thanks for having me back. - Pleasure. - It feels like I was just here, and I'm so happy to be back so soon, this is great. - We love having you. - Yeah. - I love being here, and I love talking about Nicholas Cage. There is one that comes to mind that I haven't seen yet, which is, and I don't know what it's called. It's called something like. - Really long massive talent? - Unbearable weight of massive talent, is that what it's called? - No, yes. - Okay, I haven't seen that one yet. That's what I've heard, I'm really excited to see it. CJ, what genre is it? - That's a great question. Action comedy? - Okay. - Okay. - But it's Nick Cage playing Nick Cage. - Right, that's why I'm fascinated by it. - One of the main characters is obsessed with Nick Cage, and so he gets to just play a version of himself. That's awesome. - I feel like that's so cool, and he gets accused of, I feel like doing that in all of his films, just kind of like being him and being wild, and so it's cool that he gets permission in this one to just go in that direction. - It's, I remember it being a really fun movie. It's a good time. - Yeah, yeah, oh, I'm so excited. Yeah, that's one that I haven't seen yet, but yeah, I feel like the others I've seen, and they were all bangers. - I know, we could spend, if we just switched to doing only Nick Cage movies on the show, we would still have like 10 years worth of material. - Plenty of material there. I'm for this whole podcast dedicated to just Nicholas Cage. - Absolutely. - Yeah, that's true. That's gotta be out there. - The Cage cast or something like that. - Cage cast. - That's gotta be it, right? - Yeah, that's it. - That's really good. If that doesn't exist, you should do that. - There we go, it's been so. We're all doing it. - Yep, that exists, confirmed. - Yeah. - Of course. - Yeah, of course it does. CJ, when did you watch this? - Today. - And how did you watch it? - On a computer. - Okay, how fast did you watch it? - And what speed did you watch this? (laughing) - Well, unrelated, did you know Plex now has a playback speed option? They finally implemented that you could increase the playback speed? - I do not, I cannot. I just can't imagine watching a movie fast. I will say, I listen to audiobooks fast, but even that, I can only do like 1.5 speed. I can't do any faster than that. I wanna. - That's my limit too. - I wanna be able to understand what they're saying. I want them to sound like human beings. And God forbid, I try to enjoy my media consumption instead of just trying to cram as much in as possible. - I am guilty of doing this too, but only for movies that I know I'm not gonna like, which I can only assume is where CJ is coming from at the very beginning of this. - That is fair, that is fair. And I have to remember that you all put out one of these episodes every week. So you're consuming a lot more content than I am and a lot of variety of questions. I'll put it that way. - Yeah, yeah. We have homework every week. - Exactly, exactly. - Yeah, I guess typically choose movies which are long and I don't know. - Compared to TV shows where you have to watch an entire season in one day, like Eric did last week, for the TV show that he covered, which I won't spoil 'cause it hasn't been released yet. - I'm pretty sure that'll come out next week. And also, he did that to himself. That thing was booked to like two months in advance. - He did, he had lots of time. - He had lots of time. He got up really early that morning and watched like nine episodes. - That's a terrible day. - And then stumbled off the couch right off the door to record the pod. - Wow, that sounds like a awful day. - You want to clue the listeners in on what they can expect next week? - Next week, season three of The Bear. - Nothing. - But Ken and I took off a week. We needed a break. - Couldn't, couldn't. - Yeah, we were there. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's what I heard. That's what I heard, yeah. - Yeah, so stay tuned for that. We had coverage, it was fine. It all worked out. - Yeah, it was nobody else got back up. - Yeah. - I'm a little disappointed that as the third host of this show, I wasn't tapped to help cover that, but I understand. - That's true. - You had coverage in other places, I understand. - And we respect your time. - Wow, thank you. - Which is why we're having you on like three months of the row, right? And next month will be October and it will work. - So you know I'm coming back, yeah. - You know I'm coming back. - It's been like horror stuff. Do you want to share what you've have going on? - I would love to share what I have going on because when you were talking about having homework to do every week, I was reflecting on the new homework that I now have. It's not every week, but every two weeks. And by that, I mean usually on the day that I put it out is when I'm doing it, I have started putting together a little horror newsletter. Ken and I were talking before we started recording about what I'm calling it. It's not really like a traditional newsletter, but I don't want to label it because then I'm boxing myself in. I want to give myself the freedom to play with form a little bit, maybe forever or maybe I'll find a form that I really love and I'll go in that direction. - Yeah, we wouldn't know anything about boxing into a specific form that we regret years later. - Never, no, no, absolutely not. - I think we'll break out of it. Stay tuned next time. (laughing) - But yeah, I've been writing a little horror-centric newsletter. I'm calling it horror-corner and I know that horror-corner is hard to say. That is the point. It's harkening back to the rural juror for fans of "30 Rock." - And I have a screener of the movie for you. I want you to watch it. Ah, the rural juror. That is something. Yeah, I like to write. I think of myself as a writer, but oftentimes I put a lot of pressure on myself if I'm writing to create something masterful. And I wanted an opportunity to just write some bullshit. So this is me writing some bullshit. It is a topic that I love. Horror movies, although I might branch into other areas of horror eventually. But yeah, it's been so fun. I just feel like I've seen a bunch of shit and I just wanna talk about it because a lot of the people that I know don't watch the same type of shit that I do. I can say personally, I definitely do not watch the same type of shit that you do. But I really enjoy reading about it because it's a way for me, a coward, to live vicariously through you. And you have good takes on the movies. So I actually get like a feel for like, oh, these movies that everyone's talking about that I will never watch, except for this one, I guess. But I get a feel for what they're like. - Oh, oh. - And I do watch this stuff. And I think it's very insightful and well written. - And the comment sections are usually popping off with some other good stuff. So I enjoy it. - Oh, I really appreciate your support, both of you. I have had so much fun doing it. You can find it at, I believe it's horrorcorner.substack.com or follow me on Instagram and I usually do a little post when I release a new one. You can sign up for the mailing list and it'll go directly to your inbox. So lots of ways to read. And I'd love for you to tell me what you think about those movies, because it's only as fun as the interaction that follows. - Where can people find you on Instagram? - @risscon, the word double and the word you. I did copy CJ, but that is where you can find me on Instagram. - Who copied here? - Who copied here? - Nice. Well, speaking of long legs, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back on the over second podcast. - The letter was left with the bodies. He had 10 letters like it over the past 30 years. And all of them signed with one word, long legs. - He'll kill and kill again. - Oh, there she is. - We're talking podcasting once again by Carissa and we're talking about long legs. Carissa, we're gonna put 30 seconds on the clock for you to describe for someone who's not yet seen long legs without the ending. What it's all about? Ready to go. - All right, we've got a small child who meets a stranger and then flash forward. That little girl's an adult now and is an FBI agent. She's a little off, but we love her. - 10 seconds. - There is a spooky, spooky case that she needs to solve and she does a good job. - What? - I can't not, I mean, how do you describe it without spoiling it? - You spoiled that the little girl was the FBI agent. - Oh no. - There's no other details. (both laughing) - Oh no. - No, totally fine. - Yeah. - I think that was- - Well, there are several little girls in the movie. - Yeah, sure. - We don't know which one becomes the FBI agent. - Right, right, yeah. - Yeah, I saw Ken's face, as soon as I said, I wouldn't spoil it. And then I immediately disappointed him. I'm sorry I let you know. - I don't think that's even really that big of a spoiler. - No, that's fine. - No. - I didn't spoil the big parts. - No, not at all. - No. - I hardly said anything about it at all. - Well, you know what, if you had drank a little drink that CJ and I have been drinking, you might have done a little bit better, I don't know. - Probably would have done a much better job if you've been drinking magic mind. - Oh, what? - The mental performance shot. - CJ, you've probably heard us talk about this before and I think the first time we talked about it, at least this time around was with Carissa. So if he's familiar too. - I am. - But yeah, CJ and I have been drinking magic mind for, I don't know, a while now and it's really been helping me in my personal and work life. Stay more focused and not get jittery with caffeine. - Yeah, incorporated into my morning routine. So I, because I'm a huge caffeine addict, still have my morning coffee, but this compliments that. So I still have a cup of coffee or two, or maybe three. And then I have some of this and I'm not jittery or anything, just gets your brain going. - I'm gonna go off into a slight danger but not too far. I drink coffee in the morning as well along with this, but I always like forget that I have a cup of coffee. So I let it sit on my desk. I even have like one of those ember mugs that like, - Keep it warm. - And it does a great job, but I just forget about it. And so having this little shot and taking that really quick, make sure I get what I need to get going in the morning. - It's got all the good stuff for you, like adaptogens and new tropics. It's got lion's mane, matcha, turmeric, all good stuff. - Yeah, listeners of our show can get 20% off for both one time purchases and up to 48% off if they choose a subscription. If they use our code overtalkingpod20 at checkout, that's O-V-E-R-T-A-L-K-I-N-G-P-O-D 20. - Or by going to magicmind.com/overtalkingpod20 or the link is in the show notes. - Listeners is the best way to sport our show right now. So go check it out. We both really enjoy it, honestly. - So Chris, if you just had some of that, I think it would have been spoiler-free. You would have nailed it. - Listen, I am-- - Probably would have tossed in the hilarity and twos. - I am a caffeine addict. I am pushing four cups a day right now. And my colleagues at work do shame me every time they see me walk back to the Keurig. So I definitely need to jump on the magic mind train because your girl is jittery. - Dang, yeah. I've been slowly trying to like fill my kettle less and less over the course of like weeks to try to like slowly cut down. - Just slowly taper off the caffeine. - Yeah, 'cause I know I will be so miserable if I go cold turkey. - Yes, yeah, I need to start down that road. I do get a headache if I don't have my coffee. And you know who else has headaches? Some of the characters is this movie. - That's right, that's a horrible thing. - Yeah, yeah, thank you for bringing it back. - Yeah, I mean, yeah, a real big headache. That's pretty good. - Spoilers, something else that goes on in their head too, which is again a spoiler, but not really, is the FBI agent is just a little bit psychic. - Just a little psychic. - Yeah, that was interesting. That kinda like tossed that in there but don't really explain it. But then it's like, well, it kinda gets an explanation towards the end, yeah. - It gets an explanation, all right. I in some ways wish they would have shown and not told, but. - I agree. - We get an explanation. - But yeah, I thought it was very interesting that like her boss at the FBI is just like, so what's the deal? You're like psychic or something? It's just like, oh yeah, this is a thing that people have a dude. - Yeah, look, as far as we know in the FBI, this is somewhat commonplace, so. - Hey. - We just don't hear about it. - That's right. I mean, I feel like psychics would kind of self-select into that career path. It would be a good role for someone who can just kind of like look at a house from the outside and say the killer's in there. - Yeah, right. - Yeah. - Her partner didn't believe her. - Hi. - And then what happened to him? I got a real bad headache. - And he got a real bad headache. (laughs) - I wanted to talk to you both about the marketing for this film. Did you watch the trailer? Because I know some people will not watch a trailer. Okay, okay, so neither of you saw the trailer. - I avoid trailers. I look away when I'm in the theater. - I watch one. - This is so bad. - Oh, that's so funny. - Yeah. - I did not know you also do that. That's a killer. - Oh yeah, that is a killer either. That's great. I love trailers. - They're terrible. They spoil everything. - Well, sometimes they spoil everything. Sometimes they just give you a little taste and they make you want more, which is I think what happened with this film for the folks who did see the trailer. Have you since gone back and watched any of the marketing? - No, I've seen the movie. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, exactly. Why would I do that? I've seen the content. - Oh my gosh. The marketing was-- - Is there something new in it? - It was exceptional. I mean, it was very much hearkening back to some other really effective and memorable marketing strategies in the genre of horror, such as the paranormal activity, number one, the very first one. CJ, are you familiar with that trailer at all? - Yeah, the audience reaction shots. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're kind of hearkening back to that. - Can I tell you about the trailer now that you've seen the movie? - Yes, please, yeah. - So in the trailer, they tell us that the actor who plays our star, our FBI agent, she didn't see Nicholas Cage in his in-in character until she filmed the one scene that she has with him. She didn't know anything about the character, anything about what he was gonna do with it, anything about how he was gonna look, and she enters the room with a heart rate monitor. And in the trailer, they show her heart rate. I think it's like 180 or something. She's in this room with him, and her heart is racing. She is hitting maximum heart rate. She is exceeding zone three. She is really scared. I think that's what got a lot of people in the theater, honestly, because it made it seem like it was gonna be scary. - Yeah, did they show Daddy Longlegs? - No. - No. - We didn't see him, we just saw. It was even like a blank, it was like a black screen with text that said, "Here's what's going on," and then we see her, and we see the heart rate. And yeah, I think it got a lot of people excited about this movie. - I had read about that in like only articles. I didn't realize I was in the trailer, though. That's pretty cool. - Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was really effective so much so that I didn't even see it. I heard about it, and it got me excited about it. And I think it also maybe has had an impact on how it's been received. That's all I'll say. I'll return to that comment later. - Yeah, okay, I have thoughts on, I think where you're going as well, but we'll put a pin on that. - Yeah, CJ, as someone who is not a horror fan, necessarily, tell me about your expectations going to you. What was that? - Oh, what do you mean by the narrative? CJ, tell me about your expectations going into this movie. - Well, given that I am an ever-read reader of horror corner, I read about long legs through you. But it was spoiler free to give Chris a credit, which I, well, I guess now I appreciate it. At the time, I don't think I would have cared 'cause, but, so yeah, I knew it was gonna be creepy, but then also both of you, I think even separately, have said like, no, it's more of like a psychological thriller, I wouldn't even say it's really like a horror movie, it's like, okay, maybe then I can handle it. I don't know that I had much expectation though, other than like, yeah, I knew you weren't really gonna see Nick Cage, like that was gonna be a reveal at one point in the movie, but yeah, I'm with the actress, my heart rate sure was up a lot of the movie. It is just like, I just feel on edge the entire time. - Definitely, I think that it was really, really good at creating like a vibe, really, really effective in setting a tone, I think we've already kind of said this, but we don't see Nicholas Cage in character for most of the movie, and that anticipation certainly builds this whole kind of anxiety around the moment that we ultimately do see him, but there's a lot of cool editing that's happening too, it's like quick shots of like snakes and stuff, and it's like snakes don't, snakes are not a part of the story, spoiler, there are no snakes, but there are these like quick like shots of snakes and other creepy shit that like really sets an interesting tone throughout the whole thing. - Is that like subliminal messaging tactic, where they just like quickly cut to something? - Yeah. - Yeah. - So I am gonna spoil something, but it happens in the first like five minutes of the movie, so I don't think it's that big spoiler. So the FBI agent and their partner go out on a manhunt, she, her psychic power says he's in there, and the guy's like, what are you talking about? Like we're not, she's like, we should call it in, he's in there for sure, and it's like, we're not gonna call it it, we have to go check. And so the partner agent, the guy goes up to the door, but we only see the shot of her. So it's just like a reaction shot of the main character, her reaction, and then you just, you hear him knock on the door, they answer it, and then you hear a gunshot, and then it's just like, again, like only her view, really, for the most part, which I thought that was very interesting to like hide sort of what I would say, like the main focal point of the action of what's going on to stay, to just be in the mind of this character of the entire movie. - Yeah, and once again, hiding the, kind of like the traditional horror elements, which makes it less scary, for sure. Like, we don't see a lot of the scary things on screen. It's more like scary vibe. We know scary things are happening, but we may or may not be seeing them. Yeah, absolutely. - Yeah, and I wonder what the thought process was for the director to do that. I wonder if they were thinking, if we don't show it, is that scarier? - Yeah, sometimes. - Kind of like when you read your book, you can sometimes, you know, be more scared 'cause of what's in your head is kind of out, how top whatever you're actually seeing. - Yeah. - Or was it, yeah, just a stylistic choice, I don't know. - Yeah, yeah. Because, I mean, it is very much like a thriller. It's paced like a thriller. There aren't very many horror elements, just in general, lots of tension, but I was not scared by this movie. In fact, like halfway through, I was like, oh, oh, okay. Okay, this isn't a horror movie like I was told. - Yeah, okay, so let's get into it a little bit. Yeah, I mean, this was marketed outside of the trailer as like, oh, the scariest movie of the year. Long legs, don't see it alone. Like, it's too scary, but no, it's not really scary. And this is always the problem that we have with horror movies nowadays is that everything has to be marketed as the scariest thing ever. - Even when that's not necessarily what the movie is, because they don't know how any other way to convey what it's going to be or attract an audience. And it kind of undercuts kind of some of the beauty of the movie when you go into it and you're not expecting, or you are expecting one thing and you receive something else. - Yeah, that's exactly what I was talking about earlier, is like, if you saw that trailer where her heart rate is through the roof and you're thinking, oh my gosh, this is going to be the scariest movie I've ever seen. And then you go to the theater and you watch this and you're like, oh, all right. Well, it's not like a 12 out of 10, like I was expecting it to be. So now I'm disappointed, even though it was very good and I enjoyed it a lot, not to get ahead of myself. But yeah, I think it let people down in some ways. - Which is why you look at the floor when you're in the movie theaters in the trailers. You go, la, la, la, la, la, la. That's why you go in with no expectations. - Yeah, well, that's the hard thing to do, too, 'cause even if you don't see the trailer, like we did, I still, I read like, horror news and I see like, there are reviews of this and for some reason, the uniform reviews, like the snippets are like super scary or whatever. And that's just not the case. I think CJ, you and I and Danny, maybe two years ago, watched "Malignant" and you had the same issue with that movie where that's, that's a campy, supposed to be fun, kind of weird romp of a movie. - It's a romp. - And instead that was also marketed as like the scariest fucking thing ever and it wasn't. - Yes, yeah. In fact, I remember listening to that episode. I know exactly where I was when I was listening to that episode and I was so sad that you guys didn't enjoy it because I really loved it, but you're right. It's not scary at all, it's hilarious. I was laughing out loud at that movie. - I definitely, now that I've had space, I want to revisit it under a different light because now I've forgotten things that happen. I think it would be fun to watch maybe with a crowd who understands it too. - Totally, yeah. - But yeah, that's just not the experience I have at the time. - No, no. Well, I want to talk about the viewing experience that I had watching this movie. - Okay. - I got, I remember fondly, I got a text from friend of the pod, Steve. - The two of mine. - Steve said that he wanted to go see long legs and I was shocked because Steve is not really like a horror movie guy. - He's not really moving in. - Well, he's never seen any movie guy. - Right, right, he's not a movie guy, really. So it was shocking to me that he wanted to see this film. But we know from experience that Steve is only afraid of one thing, and that is dolls. And we thought there's no way that, I mean, you saw, I mean, you guys didn't see the trailer, but we all saw the trailer. There are no dolls in this movie, we're gonna be fine. Well, it's time to maybe break out some spoilers, folks, because guess what plays an enormous role in this film? Dolls. - Huge dolls. - Life-sized dolls for some reason. It was hilarious. - Was Steve okay? - Steve was seated between us, he was in the middle. And I think we both turned and looked at him, and he was like, God damn it. (laughing) But no, as we all already discussed, it wasn't scary. So we all survived, but it was hilarious. All of us realizing in this moment together that the one thing that we didn't want or expect from this film was going to be a central component to our experience. Yeah, it was amazing. That was the highlight of this movie for me. - That's awesome. - That also, like, if you had stopped me midway through the movie and be like, hey, how do you think this is gonna go? I never went into million years ago and they're like, well, life-sized dolls for sure are gonna play a big part in the movie. (laughing) - I mean, obviously. (laughing) - Right. And weird, like, metal balls for brains. - Yeah, I have so many. I'm really ready to spoil this. I will hold back. I will hold back, but I have some thoughts. - I also would like to talk about the ending. I'm not sure what the best point to do that is. Maybe let's save it for after our reading. - Let's save it for after. - Okay. - And then we'll just spoilish that out of it. - Yeah. What are some other spoiler-free things that we can discuss? - Well, we can talk about maybe a little bit of trivia? I don't know. We could do that. It's time for. - Hey, you know that? - That's right. Like I mentioned, this is a trivia portion of our program where we put our guest and CJ head-to-head to see who knows the most about what we watch. Chris, I see you. Are you too ready? - I'm so ready. (laughing) - See you. - Now, in wrong movies. - See you. - I'm sorry. - All right. First question is multiple choice. Director Oz Perkins only thought of two people to play Daddy Long Legs. Nicholas Cage and what other actor was it? J. J. K. Simmons. B. Willem Dafoe. C. Brian Cranston. Or D. Brad Pitt. - Oh, man. (laughing) - Well, I don't know who that first guy is. - You don't know who J. K. Simmons is? - J. K. Simmons. - I don't know. - He's Jackie now. - That doesn't help me. - No, that doesn't help. He plays J. Jonah Jameson in the Spider-Man movies. - No, man. - That was gonna be my reference as well. - No, no. - What was the drum movie with? - Oh, Whiplash. - No. - Whiplash. - No, no. - Or if you saw it pick for you. - I'm sure it would. I'm gonna go with B because I hope that it was Willem Dafoe. - Yeah, that's where my mind went as well. Brad Pitt would have been hilarious. - Sure would have because that's who he wanted. - No. - No way. - No. (laughing) - Has he ever been in a horror movie? - I've been trivia. I don't know. - I don't think so. - No. - No, well, he actually, he was in cutting class when that was his first role. - Okay. - But, you know, he was like, what, 17 at the time or something? But. - That does not work for me. That does not work for me. - I don't know how that would have worked. - Willem Dafoe would have been also incredible, I think. But yeah. - I tried to pick everyone who I thought would be a good choice. - Yeah. - He has such a scary face. He is a, I love him. He's like, hot scary. He's, but he's like, scary for sure. Did you know his name isn't Willem? It's actually William, but he goes by Willem. Doesn't that make you hate him a little bit? - Yeah, just a little bit. - But I do love him and he's great. If you've never seen all of the excellent photography of Willem Dafoe from like the 90s, you got to Google it right now. He's been in some wild photo shoot. - Huh, okay. - I guess I just chalked that up to like, so many people having to change their name for like, sag reasons. - Oh, yeah. - They have to kind of, they're just like, well, somebody else already is that-- - Sure. Like Emma Stone, her name's like Emily or whatever. - Yeah. - Right. - All right. Well, off to a bad start. Next question. Oz Perkins is the son of, he's a director. Oz Perkins is the son of what famous actor who notoriously played the same serial killer across four movies? - Oh my gosh. - Can either of you get this? - Anthony Perkins. - That is correct. Holy cow, CJ got it. - That's really amazing. CJ, I was not gonna get that. - I said he was in Psycho, right? - Yeah. - Oh, have you seen Psycho? - How do you even know who Anthony Perkins is? - I don't even know what Psycho is. - I went on IMDB to see what other twisted things this guy had done. - Oh, so you cheated. Oh, so you prepared for the jury. - It's like his first sentence on his IMDB page is like, son of people also search for Anthony Perkins. Chris, have you seen any of his other works? Like, Blackcoats daughter? - Hi, I'm sure that I have, but I don't know what else he's done. I did watch the Blackcoats daughter, although I don't really remember it at all. I remember it being a little spooky. - That one has some similar things to this movie. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I really liked Blackcoats daughter. - Yeah, I liked that one. - I thought the, we'll say that for another episode. All right, nice question. This movie had a budget of less than $10 million. How long did it take once released to make that back? - Two days. - Yeah, I was gonna say like the weekend, by itself this weekend. - Yeah, but I'm gonna be specific and say two days. - Okay, and then see how many days, I guess. - All right, I'm gonna go with a weekend. - Is that two days? - I'll say three days. You're counting Friday night, I guess. - All right, Chris is closer. It was the opening day, they made that. - Wow, that's amazing. Again, speaks to the marketing. I think they did an excellent job marketing, wish they could follow through a little bit. - That also seems like a look, like decently low budget for like a bigger movie. - Yeah, all right. Next question, I think it's tied up. In what year is this film set? - Oh, wow. - Do they say it in the movie? - I, apparently. - I know there are clues, so at least you can get close. - Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say there's clues, but I don't know if they ever said it in the exact year. - I'm thinking about, she's calling from, like, I don't know if it's a pay phone. She's like calling from a phone in the basement. I'm trying to visualize what that phone looked like. That's gonna give me all the details I need. - So they did map out, like, the birthday killings. - Oh, that's right. - Oh, yeah, I wonder if I could get a clue. - Went back in. - Okay, I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna say that it is 2010. - I was gonna say 1999. - See, just closer. - What is it? - There was like a frame photo of Bill Clinton. - That's right, oh my gosh, I forgot about that. We were cracking up at the Bill Clinton frame. - Photo, like, large portrait of Bill Clinton on the wall. Yes, oh my gosh, I can't believe I forgot about that. That's so funny. - I figured it was there specifically to tell you what like era. - Right, to place it in time. - Mm-hmm, right, yeah. Apparently, 1995 is the correct answer. - Okay, okay. - Okay. - All right, next question. How many times can the devil be seen in this movie? - Oh, that's difficult. - I will explain a little bit. There are, like, either subliminal shots or, like, really, really quick, like, background images. But, yes, apparently there is a set number of times that the devil can be seen in this movie. - Okay, I'm gonna guess, I'm gonna guess six. That sounds like a devil number to me. - I was gonna go sevens, 'cause, yeah, I don't think it's that many. - See, it is closer, 10 times apparently. - 10! - I have a whole list, we don't need to go through it, but a couple of the times are, when Harker is sitting on the floor, reviewing case files, apparently, you can be seen that, I don't know when. One of the times I did catch was, when Harker's, like, leaving her childhood bedroom, and, like, closed the door, that was one of the most ones, yeah. - Yeah, I noticed it a couple of times. I remember there being, like, dark shadows, but it's that type of thing that you just catch it right before they pan away, or right before they cut away. And so, I would have benefited from a re-watch. In fact, when I re-watch this, 'cause I've still only seen it the one time, I think it'll be much more clear, like, all of the different places that it pops up. - Yeah, that, I only, like, in my mind, was like catching, yeah, the shadows. I don't think I even remember the subliminal stuff. All right, next question, true or false? Neon offered free tickets to this movie for those with birthdays that fall on the 14th of any month. - I'm gonna say true. - That seems cool, but also, like, too many people, so I'm gonna say false. - It is true, and it only happened after Megan and I saw it. - No! - And it makes birthdays on the 14th, so. - Devastating. - Yeah. - Oh, yeah, back to that marketing. They knew what they were doing. That marketing strategy team, man. They really, they crushed. - Yeah, yeah, for sure. All right, how we doing on points? - If I'm correct, I am up three to two. - Yep. - Okay, we'll see how this goes. It's time for the Rotten Tomatoes! Tomatoes score in percentage. Closest without going over. Hopefully, seated and see that when he was googling earlier. - Did not. - seated since you're in the lead, you'll go first to give the edge to Carissa. - Oh, man. This is really not my ballpark. I have no idea how horror movies are rated, but given how the praise of it and that it made its money back and stuff like that, I probably, I think it's been highly regarded. So I will say 82. Okay, Carissa. - That's a really good guess. - Thank you. - That's a really good guess. I, back to the marketing, I'm not gonna shut up about it. I feel like it like originally debuted with like a 100% or they claimed that it did, which is, again, why I was expecting a lot scarier. But it has gone down since then. - I'm gonna say 75. - CJ's our winner, 86%. - Wow! (crowd cheering) - It did not drop as much as I thought it did. I thought it was like tanking from that 100%, like all downhill from there. But it sounds like it's still well received. - Apparently, yeah, for sure. - Yeah. - Seize, congrats. Just for fun, what do you guys think the letterbox score was out of five to one decimal point? - 3.5, okay? Krista? No, CJ. If that's three, 3.8, Krista was dead on the money, 3.5. - Yeah, I think that you could guess 3.5 for almost any movie, and you're gonna be almost spot on. (laughing) That's what I've learned from listening to this show, is that most of them fall right around 3.5. - Just average hats. - And I do think that the critics might like it more than like an audience, like a true audience score. For the reasons we've already discussed. But I loved this movie. I'm not gonna get to my rating yet. I did like it. I just was let down a little bit. That was why I expected it to be lower. - Yeah, that's fair. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Well, we can get to your rating, 'cause it's time for ratings. ♪ You've heard us today, we know you've been waiting ♪ ♪ So now it's time to hear my ratings ♪ - Krista on a scale of one to 10, what would you rate long legs for you? - For me, I would give long legs a seven out of 10. - Okay. - It is a good movie. It is not a horror movie. It just isn't. And that doesn't make it bad, but I was led to believe that it would be a horror movie. So seven out of 10, for other reasons as well, that I'm gonna get to in a moment because they're a little spoilery, but I'll hold that thought. - Okay. So you just probably go next. I don't see you watch the 1.5 speed or whatever. I did not watch movies at 1.5 speed. I will say that. - At two times speed, right? - Yeah, at two times speed. - Yeah, faster. - I listened to podcasts at 1.5 or 1.6, but not movies. - For me? - Yeah, not my cup of tea, don't like being scared, big old coward. But I think it objectively is, I think, a good movie in that it keeps it suspenseful. There's not really a slow part. You just are, or I was on edge pretty much the entire time. 'Cause like I said, that agent being shot is within like minutes of the movies. You're like, oh shit, we're already in it. Okay, well, let's go. Nick Cage kills as always. He's the best, even though he's only in the movie, I think, for like five minutes total, probably or something. - Maybe like a 6.4. - Okay. - Okay. - All right. - Ken, all right, for me? - Yeah, so when I left the theater, when I watched it, I've only watched it the one time as well. When I left the theater, I genuinely didn't know how I felt about it, because, probably because I was expecting one thing and got something else, and the thing I got was weird. So I didn't know what to think of. I wanted more, I know that. I wanted more, especially out of the ending, but I do like the ending. I just wanted to see more of it, I think. So yeah, I still not totally sure how I feel about this. I like it a lot. I think it's a cool movie. I just wanted it to be something else, I think. For that reason, I'm gonna give it a 6.9. - Beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah, nice. - I wanna give it higher. I know how I felt in the moments, and without having re-watched it, I can't give it something too different, so. - This is also, for me, not watching a lot of these movies, where you can just kind of be like, "What's the devil?" And you're like, "Oh, okay, I guess that explains." You don't really have to have sound logic or stuff, which usually that's mine, and you're like, "What's the devil doing it?" It's like, "Oh, okay, I guess." - It hit the nail on the head. That is why I was disappointed. They were like, "Well, it's the devil." - Yeah, they're like, "No, no, it can't just be the devil." Like, "What are you talking about, the devil?" - Okay, so hang tight. Before we get full spoilers, since you're working with people, find us. You can follow us on all the things that Overtockin' Pod, Call Your Texas B Show, at U.S.A.C. at 1-5-9-1, go to website.org.com.party, or email us at Overtockin' Pod at gmail.com, and head on over to magicmind.com/overtalkingpod20. - That's right, that's the best way to support the show. Oh, no, they're here. They're a little confused, though. They're like poking their head in, if like, is it time? Should I do it now? - Yes. Okay, they're here to remind me to remind you, if you feel like they still be schoolin' Apple Podcast and Spotify and rate and review, where applicable reviews will help people find us by podcasting, also we spendin' the money and advertising, if I can tell if you can tell, if you can tell if we're gonna spread the word, it would really be fair to thank you. Okay, spoiler time. - Spoiler time, oh my gosh, the devil did it. I couldn't believe it. - They even, they even tell us that. - That like, they're explaining Nick Cage's role, and they literally use the word magic, is like, and then he adds his magic. - Yeah, he's a magic. - To these dolls, and then the dolls take over the people. - They don't really explain it at all. - No. - And then, yeah, there's these weird metal balls that have black devil smoke in it, I guess, and they control people somehow. - I was so mad. I was like, that can't be it. That just absolutely can't be it. I mean, I would've been cool with like, okay, they take the dolls, and they do some sort of weird ritual, where now they're enchanted dolls, and they're connected to the, no, they're like, they just got the devil in them. - Yeah. - No explanation at all. - The devil's in there. - It is basement, making dolls, and that somehow is connected to the people that they give it to. - You get the rough mechanics of the completed product, and that's it. - Yeah. - They literally give us like an hour or more. - More, I think. - Of suspense, and you're invested. I have to say, I thought it was a little slow, CJ. I know you said that you thought it was well-paced, and that you were on the edge of your seat. - I thought all this falling asleep at one point. - I was literally so bored. I was like, this is so slow. I know that that's because I consume a lot of horror content, because Steve was like, I was on the edge of my seat, and I was like, I was on the edge of a nap, like literally. And I'm like, waiting. I'm like, okay, they have to be building to something they're going slow. It must be intentional. And then, literally, one of the characters has a flashback and says, here's what happened. - Yeah. - And it explains that it's just the fucking devil. And I was like, this is a joke. This can't be real. This can't be, this can't be it. And it was, that was it. Devil is there. - No, having said that, when they come back and they like, act out what they've been doing all these times due to the murders, I thought that was a genuinely scary scene. - Yes. - 'Cause it, you know, it puts the people who we've been watching in the hot seat and they become possessed and killing people. That's scary. - Yes. - But yeah, the kind of like weird five minutes of them explaining what's been going on the whole time was very strange. - So they find a doll and like bring it to the FBI office and this like scientist mortician guy is like taking it apart. And he's like, there's no matter in this metal ball that's being used as the brain of the doll. But check this out and he holds up an ultrasound and it starts making like weird noises and stuff. It's like, man, that means there's something in there. What, like what do you mean there's nothing in there? You just proved that there's probably something in there. - But why was he doing an autopsy on a doll? - Yeah, that was weird too. - That doesn't make any sense. - Admiring the craftsmanship would do. - It doesn't make sense. - It's 1995, this is when they did doll autopsies. - Yeah. - And then we finally see, we finally see Nick Cage and of course he's very scary. Of course he is, he's very effective in this role. But he's just like, meh, devil's in me. - He's just kinda acting weird and then he kills himself. And that scene was unsettling. - Of course it was. - But as we said earlier, he gets a big headache by smashing his head against the table and killing himself. That's what we meant. - Yeah. - Big ol' headache. - Yeah. - I did have a reaction of like, this movie has parts. It says on screen, part one, part two, birth. So that part, it was interesting in my opinion, 'cause again, don't watch a lot of these. He kills himself and then it says like part three and you're like, oh shit, okay, there's still like more to this. I guess that's good 'cause that would have been a terrible ending if they'd like catch the guy and he kills himself and then credits, that would have been awful. - Yeah, and again, I don't watch a lot of these. The twist where it is her mom as the accomplice, like the main characters, I did not see coming. I was like, oh, okay, that's kinda cool. - Yeah, I didn't see it coming either. I just thought it was kinda boring. I was like, oh, he's been living in your basement the whole time, he's Mr. Downstairs. We can't stop joking about Mr. Downstairs. That's such a funny and stupid name is not scary at all. - Yeah. (laughing) - Meghan and I keep joking about the song that Nicholas Cage sings, not want, not twice, about as many towns as I want. Oh, so good. - It's good. That's good. - That's a creepy scene too. He's singing that in the car, right, when he's driving. - I think. - Is that what he's doing? - Is he singing that? - Yeah. - I mean, he's obviously very scary when he's on, when he's on, you know, on screen, but he's not really on screen that much and then he offs himself, so. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's where, yeah, I can't, I don't really love that just like, the devil, that there. - That was, it was really disappointing to me. - It was, yeah, it was a cop out. I was like, you could have done something so much more interesting with this and this character who is very scary and very effective, but instead you just made him possessed by the devil and that was disappointing. - Yeah. - I don't even have a problem with it being the devil. I just wanted to see more of it. - Yeah. - Like, that can be scary. - Of course. - If being the devil can be scary, hell, even these possessed dolls can be scary, but I want to see them getting imbued with the devil and I want the devil to be there and I want the devil to be fucking fit up and like pulling the strings behind Nicholas Cage or something, like that would be scary too, but instead I get like a millisecond of a fad of the devil and then that's a, like, I don't know. - Yeah, I love demonic shit. Like, I love, I'm constantly watching demon movies, but-- - We hell satin' here. - Listen, I hell satin' every day, but that, yeah, it was, it was, he needed to be more of a character if he was the catalyst for all of this and he was not. Or she? - They were supposed to be the fifth character of the movie and we barely got to see them. - Exactly, you get it. But overall, I liked it, I wanted more, but I liked it. So, it's still a recommend from me. - It's still a very well done movie. - Yeah, and it's beautiful. It's beautiful, but it's visually very compelling, so. - Yeah, very cool shots and the stuff. - Yep. - Well, thank you, Krista, for joining us. - Thank you for having me. - Quick, remind people where they can find you. - Yes, you can find me on Instagram. My Instagram handle is @RisRISSCONW, the word double and the word you. That is where I'll be sharing all of my horror corner posts. You can also follow me on Substack. So, looking forward to all of your little comments on my little posts so that I can tell you about all my little thoughts on my little horror movies. - Love it, check it out, folks. It's good to read, yes. - Today, as of today, which is, I will not say the date to keep this evergreen, but following today's recording, you can find my latest post, which is about pool demons. If you're interested in pool demons. - Huh, interesting. - Also, I realize I probably should have done this earlier, but I have something to plug. By the time this airs, this upcoming Friday, September 6th, if you're listening to this later, I will have put out another new song. - Woo. - Hey. - So, head on over to Eddie Wolfram. That's Eddie, E-D-D-Y. Wolfram, liketheanimals.bandcamp.com, and check it out. - I'll be checking it out. - Hell yeah. Me too. - Well, Krista, thank you. We'll see you in October. - Can't wait. - And as you always say, at the end of every episode. ♪ Not much, not much ♪ ♪ Not much, not much ♪ ♪ Not much, not much ♪ - Bye, bye. - Bye. - This episode of the Overtalking Podcast was produced by Ken and CJ, edited by CJ. This week's special guest was Carissa. And special thanks to Magic Mind for sponsoring this podcast. You can help support the show by going to magicmind.com/overtalkingpod20. The link is in the show notes. 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