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We're gonna preview some of the biggest upcoming games, but folks, we're gonna start off here on Florida State Seminoles are shockingly 0 and 3. Despite playing arguably the softest part of their schedule, these first three games, is Mike Norvell for sure safe coming out of this season? I'll note he's got a $65 million buyout. Is it even possible that they could lose enough that Mike Norvell is on the chopping block? Who's buying the first round tonight? - Either he is safe or he's gonna be stuffing his safe with more greenbacks than anybody can imagine. There are 65 million very convincing reasons as to why Florida State not only will hold on to it, they have to, they have to. As the old saying goes, it's cheaper to keep her, and right now it is much cheaper to keep Mike Norvell, but even going beyond that four second, I need, I understand that we live in the TikTok generation. I understand that we live in the microwave generation, the fast food, everything is at our disposal, everything is done right now, did we all forget that this man led a team undefeated and conference championship just last year? Don't get me wrong, I understand that Florida State, you are in a position where going undefeated is not the hardest thing in the world to do, but it still ain't been done that damn often to where you can say, you know what, even a year later, if things ain't going on how we want them to, we'll get you out of there and we'll get you, you know, we'll get a new guy in there. And then on top of the 65 million, it's much more expensive than that, Donald, because you're at Florida State, you expect to, if your expectation is, I never wanna have a bad year, I need to win at least 10 every single year, at least nine, at least eight every single year, that's fine, who are you going to get and how much are they gonna cost? So it's not just about the 65, it's about the 65 plus whatever you gotta pay this new coach, and mind you, that new coach is gonna add the Norvell tax on for, wait a minute, you just fired a guy that won, that darn, they won the whole enchilada a year before. You got to give me a little land yop on there as the folks in the body, you could say, to make me a little happier about the fact that I'm only a year away from getting fired here, no matter what's going on. So I think that, you know, this is no way under God's greener to get rid of Norvell, and that's just all there is to it this year. - I know Florida State administration's not happy to be having to think about these questions three weeks into the season, to your point, Ken. I mean, it's crazy that we've even ended up here. And I'll also add, this is a Florida State football program that's going through crazy stadium renovations right now. Construction is not cheap. That number continues to climb with the renovations that they're making. So it's really a financial mess, not to mention lawsuits that are in place with where we want to be. I mean, goodness gracious, the money issues that's on hands there in Tallahassee. - So what I expect to happen with Mike Norvell that I'll let Jackson jump in, like you cannot, like Kenton said, you cannot fire him. And JJ, you correctly echo that there's a lot of other expenses out there. I think he's going to be under pressure to clean house and revamp his staff. Maybe hiring staff members who put more of an emphasis on high school recruiting, because if recruiting out of high school is not Norvell's strength, you need to surround yourself with people who can help you in that area. I also think that from an NIL standpoint, I think Florida State needs to shift their focus a little bit 'cause they've like bragged about, you know, not wanting to bid for high school players, strictly doing it for transfer guys. But I think you also need to not rely 100% on the portal, maybe try to win some more battles coming out of high school. So I think, you know, these are areas that Mike Norvell needs to fix. I think I can pretty much echo what everyone has said here about, you know, 65 million different reasons why you can't let him go. I mentioned this on Brian Smith, who is not here with us right now, but he's a host of "Locked on Seminoles" after the game against Memphis. And I, he was like, what is the contract for Mike Norvell? Well, it goes until 2031 and he's going to be making an average of about 10 million per season up until 2031. And we already told you guys the buyout is $65 million. In other words, like, if you want them gone, that's great. Cool, you want them gone. But the only thing worse than keeping Mike Norvell is firing Mike Norvell because of all the reasons you guys just mentioned, there's just too many finances going on here for a program like Florida State, who Florida State has a big budget for an ACC team. Let's be real, they are one of the premier programs in our conference. But compared to the rest of the country, I don't think they can absorb a $65 million, pay another coach on top of a lawsuit and stadium renovations. At some point, people have budgets here. You don't have all the money in the world. Here's a question I've got about just Norvell's track record because, I mean, this is year five at FSU. Year one started off two and six. Year two started off 014. And then we've got back-to-back great seasons. And I'm like, oh, baby, they got this thing going down in Tallahassee. Year five is going to be another step up. And then we revert back to this. So this is now three of his five years off to a not-great start at all. And it just has me wondering like, what is the real true version of what's going on here? And look, this is complete ingest in which I say this. But if I'm a high major coach at some point, it's like, you know what? I don't mind being paid $65 million to go away and be set for the rest of my life and sit back on my couch and watch everybody else get beat up week after week. He wouldn't be the dumbest man in the world to do that. That's obviously not what he's doing. But hey, I'd take it. Well, I don't know if it'll be his choice or not. That's the point. Like if he, Florida State would have to fire him and then I'm sure he'll be happy because he'll get, or he won't be happy he lost his job, but he'll get $65 million. So he'll be pretty happy on that regard. And I mean, Mike Norville has been around before, like he's going to land on his feet. He'll get another job somewhere, whether it's a coordinator or a head coach in a different program. I can't see Florida State letting him go this season unless they go 0 and 12. If they go 0 and 12, I don't think you have a choice, but I mean, they're probably going to win three or four games. I say that hesitantly. I mean, maybe three to four. - Yeah, I was going to say, if there is a realistic record where he does get fired, what do you think it is? Is it 0 and 12? Is it one and 11? Where do we think that might be? - I think if you lose to Charles and Southern. - Let me tell you something. They said it on me and girls, and I think we need to bring Lindsey Lohan back in this moment. The limit does not exist. There's nothing he can do this year to get fired. Unless they get absolutely mollywomped by Charles in Southern where it's like, all right, like this is. And even in that situation, again, it's hard for me. I get it, I understand that we all go by the 100, 3000 saying, you're only funky as your last cut, we understand. And his last cut right now, it stinks. It's awful. The DJ would be getting booed off stage. The Sandman would be coming out if he was on Apollo. But with that being said, there are external factors here that are much too grand to not take into consideration. That is just where we are with this team and with this program. They have too much money tied up in too many different places. And Donald, I'll talk about this a thousand times. Of all the states where you think you'll be okay to be the first team to take money from, let's say, foreign investors that most people here stateside are not exactly happy about. You think that Florida is the place to do it? I see Florida. Yeah, all right, good. Best of luck with that. Tell me how it goes for it. - Okay, Ken, you just talked about all the external factors at place. So what are the internal things that they can control, right? How does Mike Norville internally get this thing turned around? Is it personnel changes, like on field, is it personnel changes on the staff? Scheme chat, like, what do they have to do right now to make this adjustment and get things on the right track? - If I were to say what they need to do right now, I don't think there is much they can do with this team. But I would say going forward into next year, strip it down to the studs in terms of whatever you did in training, whatever you did in the off season, forget all that. You need to build toughness, build culture. You have the athletes. Athletes don't all of a sudden go to schools and just become bad. What happens more often than not? They're not developed. Or there's not a culture that's instilled in them to say, "Hey, we're a tough physical, hard-nosed team." Or you know what? We're a finesse team and we're known for how smart you are. We're going to be that much quicker than you. There is not an identity on that team. There is not a cultural on that team. There is not a presence on that team that says, "We're Florida State." And this spear means this. It's just not there right now. - Well, I want to get into more positives when we come back, including close-but-no-scarf. - No one loves jumping on to Florida State. Come on now. - It's hilarious. - I'm sorry if you're bad to them. - I'm going to have to do a more deserving team. - No. - And they're running and it's happening to them. - Yes. - Come on. - Contextually, with everything they're trying to do to our conference right now, I get a great deal of perverse joy. - Yeah, go get it. - Happen. - We're going to take rocks. - You want to leave the ACC, go to group action. You're not worthy of group of five. Go to FCS for all I care. - I hear that. - All of us are standing again. - Florida goes to vision two. - Pac-12 East Coast, baby. (laughing) - The ACC can go West Coast, baby. 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It's fun to be you. That's how that performance went. I'll let Grayson buy the first round this segment. I NC State and I'm excited about this player. You know, grew grew up in my area in South Florida. CJ Bailey, true freshman quarterback, is going to be getting his first career start. I don't know if the Clemson defense is the team you want to get that first career start against though. I'll buy the first round, but y'all might need to buy rounds for me because we are down bad in Raleigh. We've never had a normal football season. Feels like ever. So like everyone saw, Grayson McCall went down to injury against Louisiana Tech. Freshman, true freshman, CJ Bailey enters into the game, plays hero. We come back and win. He is now QB1 headed into Clemson and he has quite the task ahead of him. Something kids and I have discussed on lockdown Wolfpack, we're not exactly having high expectations. It's really hard in itself to go down and beat Clemson, but a true freshman getting his first start in Death Valley. We looked this up the last time a true freshman has won in Death Valley was 2007. It was Tyrod Taylor with the Virginia Tech Hokies. I'm not expecting CJ Bailey to pull that off, but good Lord, we need a spark of something on offense. You know, when I look at this thing, I say it like this. I, people like to misconstrue my words a lot because I talk in a very monstrous manner. I mean, I get it. People like to see folks like me be wrong. I'm okay with it. But here's what I've always said and what I will stand by here with CJ Bailey. I said about Grayson McCall after game one, some looks off. After game two, I said that's enough to pull the plug. Because if I'm going to have a guy making certain mistakes, if I'm going to have a guy play poorly, I want to see the young guy play poorly because he has the opportunity to learn and grow and get better as opposed to the six year guy who, hey, congratulations buddy, get ready to learn Enterprise Runicle. Like that's what you're about to do here. Get ready to learn some LinkedIn because you're going to have to go into the real world and get a job. So, you know, I always say, give me the young guy if we're going to be bad. And so with that being said, this 20 point spread makes sense. I'm not shocked by it. I'm not upset by it. This is a Clemson team that's coming off a bye week. They whooped the wheels off a app state last week. They're probably going to come out and steal. They go, we got a point to prove. Nobody believes in y'all that. And now Dabo has the ammunition to actually run with that after getting throttled by a Georgia team that outside of that game has looked extremely human to say the least for the rest of the season so far, even though it's in its infancy. So, objectively speaking, I'm not expecting much out of NC State here. I'm expecting Clemson to dominate. That defensive line is deep. They are talented. They are physical. They are experienced. They've got it all upfront defensively. And our offensive line could not push the squad around. I'm not sure if JJ Jackson wouldn't get a couple of TFLs off those boys. I just, I would be shocked to not see it happen. So, all in all, this game will very likely be a domination by Clemson. If it is not, I will feel the same way about NC State that I need about BC playing mazoo close. Why, hey, you did your thing. You, you did more than I can for magic. Congratulations to you. - Put me in coach. I'm ready to make some plays then. If that's the game. - Go, JJ. - I mean, wait, wait, JJ. Since you're in the last name of Jackson, my first name is Jackson, we're gonna be on the D line together. - Let's make it happen. - Let's go. - Action Jackson. - Yeah, there he is. - Three more. We have the Jackson five. Here we go. - Hey, just make it a little positively here for NC State. I love it, I love it Isaac. At least CJ Bayley has played a little bit, right? I mean, looking for silver lining that there is something to kind of look back at in last week's game against Louisiana Tech. Imagine if you hadn't seen him at all. And then it's like, hey boy, get ready for college football here at Death Valley. - Yeah, but I mean, like you're playing Louisiana Tech. I guess it's a good warm up. - Yeah. - It's a warm up, but your final boss. - I'd rather have that than nothing. - Okay, but you're playing Clemson now. There's a big difference here. Had you're going on the road and playing Clemson. - But you can't argue that the experience is not good. I mean, that's the thing. - I mean, experience is experience. - Experience is experience, sure. But this is different. This is not Louisiana Tech. This is Clemson on the road. This is a very, very good defense against a team that's gonna be motivated to beat y'all. I'm in agreement. I think this is gonna get ugly. - Yeah, I think it's a 317 written all over it. - Something the Etsy fans are trying to hang their hat on coming out of the Louisiana Tech game. CJ Bailey, he did look like a freshmen and freshmen are gonna make freshmen mistakes. But that's something we can live with 'cause he was, he's shown a propensity to stretch the field more so than Grayson McCall did. And I think there is a little bit of optimism there for the offense. We had a little bit of a boost offensively when CJ came into the game. It's like, okay, maybe this is the offense we were kind of hoping to get. The wide receivers had more separation. We can move the field or move the ball down the field a little bit. Again, not exactly predicting a win here, but I think CJ provides something to the offense that Grayson McCall so far has not. - You know, Jackson Holders, the only person I know that can agree with me to the tee and still find a way to piss me off while he's here. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. - He's the only person. - Isn't he wrong? - Because he'll agree with that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's why we disagree with each other. - And that's what I'm saying. I don't know how they were something about the way you delivered that. It's your first steps towards me were on my last nerve. I don't know why, Jackson, but I agree. I agree this game will not be close. You 34-7 is written all over it. I agree, but I hope we're both wrong. I'd like you, I hope we're both wrong. - I think it would be great if NC State looked good. The problem with NC State, you mentioned something about, you know, keeping it close like Boston College did to Missouri is NC State can't afford to just get that moral victory and keep it close. They already have a loss. If they lose to Clemson, now you have two losses and I get it. One is out of the conference. - Great, you're marching. - Your margin for error is small anyway. - Yeah. - Honestly, you just have to, you have to win the game. The moral victory is cool if you want to talk about CJ Bailey's future. - Sure. - He looks great. The future's bright. You know, we lose it back and forth. Game 27, 24, Bailey looks great. Cool. I get that. But the moral victory in terms of this season, that's two losses already. You don't have, you're playing with fire. - Yeah. Well, if anybody saw NC State, oh, I'm just gonna say if anybody saw NC State in these early three games and thought that hey, this is still a ACC Championship contender, put down that dope. Lead them drugs alone. That's my grater would say. Lead them all. - I didn't. But what I'm trying to tell you is you can, you can stick a fork in them if they lose this game. It's officially over. - I'll put it to you like this, Jackson. The expectations have shifted since the season began. I'll leave it to you there. - There's another game I'm looking at this weekend. Louisville, the ranked night team. They've looked great so far against lesser opposition. Tyler Shuck has been fantastic at quarterback there, but they're opening up conference play against the Georgia Tech team that with, you know, we fought very highly of them after knocking off Florida State. Week zero, Jackson's orange got them in their next conference game. Haynes King is also having a really good season, nearly a thousand passing guard six touchdowns, one interception. Louisville favored by 10 and a half points at home. And I agree, Cardinals have looked like the better team so far and they've got home field advantage. But do we think Georgia Tech may be able to pull off an upset this weekend? - Yes. Yep, that's my upset special pick of the week. - What is the same explanation there, Jackson? - Yes, it's a special. - But in all seriousness, if you're talking about can Georgia Tech pull off an upset? Absolutely, absolutely. - Will they? - Will they? Oh, the other way. - Will they? - Yes, they will. - Can they? I think they can. Will they? Here's my only thing. That defensive front from Louisville is so good. I mean, and I get it. They've played lesser opponents and all that. Aston Jelotti looks as unblockable as I have seen in this conference so far. He looks absolutely phenomenal every time he steps on that field. And again, I even had to admit after watching more Tigers Shuck before the season started, if he is healthy, the sky is the limit for this team. It really is. And as of now, he is healthy. So can they pull it off? Yes. Will they? I think it's gonna be tough running into the teeth of a defense where, I mean, objectively speaking, that's gonna be one of Louisville's strengths. The ability to stop the run and obviously on the perimeter with those corners, they got, I don't know what's been going on or what's in the water out there in Louisville. But ever since they're Alexander, they've always had at least one corner. That's gonna be a guy that's gonna get drafted there. So objectively speaking, if I look at this game and I say to myself, can Georgia pull off? Yes. Will they? I doubt it. I'm going with Louisville, and that's what. - I believe it was our first episode that we ran of the squad. I think I said, I'm surprised that no one's talking about Louisville headed into the season. And yes, they have played lesser competition, but they've looked really good in doing so. I say all that to say, I do think a double digit spread in Louisville's favor in this one. That feels a little bit steep. If I was a betting man, which I am, I think I'm gonna lean Georgia Tech to cover. It's a, I mean, that's a really big spread for a good Georgia Tech team. It is on the road. Louisville's relatively a tough place to play. I think this is gonna be an awesome game. I don't really have a good read as an outright winner. I think it could go either way, but I was surprised that the spread is as large as it is. - Same. On the other side of it, let me cell phone that North Carolina has just a 10 and a half point spread over James Madison this weekend. - Yeah. - And we've had some trouble with Sunbelt opponents the past couple of years, namely App State who Clemson just decimated. So as we roll out probably a third string QB one this weekend, just be on the lookout for that one folks. - Okay. - Are you saying that Tar Heels are an upset alert? - I don't, I'm not saying they're on upset alert. I'm saying they're on yet again, not covering alert. - I will tell you this over the past few years. - Over the past few years, and I know people are gonna say this because you don't like UNC, but I'm telling you this as a thing that has happened. Outside of Georgia, no team has been better at stopping the run over the past couple of years than James Madison. And that's a statistical fact. That's not a how can feels about it. That's just who they are. Now, yes, they do play a group of five schedule, so it's a difference. And the point, they don't have a Marianne Hampton's walking around in the American Athletic Conference. They just, it ain't happened. But with that being said, I am not shocked that if you're gonna be trotting out a third string quarterback and you're looking at, hey, your strength is their strength and it's gonna be the irresistible force against the immovable object, I'm not surprised by that script. - Yeah. 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So number 24 keeps it within a touchdown against number six and they were ahead for most of that game. And then number 24 gets penalized. BC gets dropped out of the rankings. I think it's ridiculous. I think Boston College should still be ranked. - I 100% agree. I think this whole panel has been in agreement with you on Boston College. What did they do wrong? - And somebody showed me what the teams who crept in did so right that you would say, if they played Missou tomorrow, I feel comfortable with them being as close or better than what Boston College did. Like there's, it just doesn't exist to me. And again, this is why I don't understand rankings and how they work and all that because I understand you don't want to penalize or don't want to give anybody a reward for a loss because objectively the point of the game is to win, sure. But rankings are not just about wins and losses or else every undefeated group of five team we see would be ranked ahead of two and three loss SEC teams but that's not how it works. It's never been how it works. So why when it comes to Boston College now all of a sudden we lose our logic and wits about, hey, this team belongs here because they've shown it on the field, whether or not you believe in Florida State, that's fine. But that means that you've got to believe Florida State is terrible, which is we all do. That also means you've got to believe Missouri State, Missouri is like barely a top 25 team which we're in right now, Donald, six. - Actually drop them a spot to seven. - Boy, this is the proud thing of what I'm talking about. It's that big SEC bias, it's that anti-ACC bias and that's the problem. I want to get our representative on the phone but I feel like Jarvis is an SEC got two behind the scene. So I don't really know. Zach McAfee is the coordinator of all the college channel. Where is he in the wellness up? You know what I'm saying? All for you to focus on who lost the role? The cow bears and what efforts? That's insane. See, when you start putting up, when you start spinning the webs together, baby, the numbers all add up. Let me put my tip for it out of what, but I'm just saying, it seems like there's an anti-ACC thing going on here. - I think we're on agreement. College receiving votes, they got 11. Proud, proud North Carolina Tar Heels, baby. We're rocking three others receiving votes. Let's go. - I think Syracuse got like the same amount of votes. I think we're stuck at 28 again after a bi-week. - Yeah, that's right. - That's a bi-week. I wasn't expecting anything. - Jackson, y'all are 27. Oh, 27 is next next next next next state. - We moved up a spot. We didn't play a game. - Well, you know, and speaking of that Clemson, Clemson didn't play a game last week either and they somehow moved up from number 22 to number 21. So it's like, how are you going to do that on your week off? But I'm not going to complain because it's amazing. - There's something about the bi-week. - We didn't lose on a bi-week. - Bingo, that's exactly right, Jackson. They didn't lose and the media is, they miss it. And it's like, well, I guess we'll just bump them up 'cause other teams lost and so here we go. I was honestly thinking that if enough, I knew it was honestly unrealistic, but I was like, if enough top 25 teams lose, Syracuse could have been inside the top 25 after the bi-week and they were close. They moved up from 28 to 27 and we didn't play it down. I'm like, well, what? But to Isaac's point, that's the, they didn't lose. - You know, beat Georgia Tech, you'll probably get in if that happens. - Yeah, that's what it's like. - Probably, probably beat Georgia Tech already. We got Stanford. - Louisville this week. - Oh, I'm sorry, that's right. I'm sorry, Stanford, well, yeah, I don't know then. - Maybe, maybe. - Maybe Georgia Tech to win because we need that win to look better. - Yeah, right, right. - I say we as in Syracuse. - The problem, and we're never going to get rid of pre-season rankings, right? But it's all about perception of where we think teams are. Teams are still benefiting from benefiting from beating Florida State, despite the fact that Florida State's not good. And it's that whole thing. I'm appreciative of the CFP rankings waiting for a while, but even that is going to be, there's some rankings mixed into it. And so that's just the nature of the beast. And oh, by the way, predicting who teams are ahead of the season is more difficult now than ever because of the portal. And so it's just this whole mess mixed bag that's all messy. - Yeah, Florida State was number 10 pre-season. And now they're 17th in the ACC. - Still 17th. - Still at the bottom, 17th. Started from the bottom, now they're still at the bottom. - Still at the bottom. (laughing) - Oh, I would appreciate it. - They're taking a win again. - I started out this week, they got now. They got it, boy. - And you have to focus on like every week now and a little. - And Florida State's favorite again, they're favored against Cal, but they're favored in every game they played this season. What is that counted for? - No, they're favored against Cal. - No, three, two, one. You know what you got to do to break this curse. You got it, 'til you do right by the curse, everything you touch gon' go wrong, 'til you do right. - I always have fun with you guys. Huge shout out to the squad, J.J. Jackson from Lockdown Blue Devils, Grayson Boone and Kenton Gibbs from Lockdown Wolfpack. Isaac Shade from Lockdown Tar Heels, Jackson Holzer from Lockdown Syracuse. I am Alex Dono from Lockdown Canes. We'll see how the games play out this weekend and we'll talk to you again next week on another episode of The Squad, right here on the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team, every day. (upbeat music) - A prime member. You can listen to this Lockdown podcast ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. (upbeat music)
