In this episode, we sit down with Christian independent filmmakers Mark and Amber Archer to discuss their latest documentary, *Title IX*. The Archers take a deep dive into the topic of how the Democrats have altered Title IX, a piece of legislation originally designed to protect civil and women’s rights, leading to what can only be their intended consequences. Join us as we explore their compelling narrative on the impact these changes have had on society, the erosion of protections for women, and what this means for the future of civil rights in America. Don’t miss this insightful conversation on the challenges and implications of modifying a landmark law meant to ensure “equality” for all.
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good morning Jim good morning everybody out there today we've got a great great show I must see interview we have with us Mark and Amber Archer who are they they're a married couple Christian couple filmmaking independent filmmakers we've had them on the show before but not on this platform not since we've been on the Patriots prayer but they're here to talk about a new documentary that is called title 9 something that I think needs a lot more attention than it is currently getting to be honest with you and they have a different take on it so we can't wait for you all to hear them so stay tuned for that Jim on what what is this Jimmy live from the Patriot prayer network studios I love your attitude it is you guys one could it is be right back [Music] two voices rage light against the tide system breaks through fake lock in the crowd truth eyes deep bury in the noise left hand deals my skin I for the choice my back rage playing in the night no more change break free from the fight I'm 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dynamic filmmaking duo known for their work in producing and directing documentaries that explore social political and cultural issues together they founded fearless features a Christian nonprofit filmmaking ministry dedicated to bringing critical faith based perspectives and contemporary topics through their power of storytelling their documentaries are noted for their investigative death and commitment to uncovering truths often overlooked by mainstream media not often but always overlooked by mainstream media the archers have gained recognition for their ability to tackle complex subjects with clarity and conviction aiming to inspire and educate viewers while upholding their Christian values they are here today Jim bring them up that is what you do best is the behind the scenes stuff no we are big Dale no I just want to talk about it there we go hello Mark and Amber thank you so much for agreeing to come on the show today very excited to have you here people who may not know who you are based on our other platform before we join the Patriots prayer network if you don't mind going into a little bit about your backgrounds about how you can go in a story about how you met I think it's fantastic I think it's I mean honestly I think it's I think it's it's absolutely you want us to cover a lot of years here I know I know I mean if you want to be brief about it you know say what you want but just tell him who you are kind of how you started all of this and what brought you into making these kind of documentaries that for all of us to actually go see so okay so you so first of all we are love the Lord serve the Lord we are obedient to the Lord that's that's what we do mark and I let's see I did not grow up in a Christian home mark and I met in a well I guess we told it on the last podcast you did you might okay so I was far from the Lord not you know living worldly sure I was an exotic dancer and gentleman clubs which is far from far from gentlemanly at all anyway but I met this guy he walked in one night I you know and never thought we'd see each other again like who is that you know rule of never to date anybody from a club and yeah but no we exchanged emails and then one night I sent him an email because this guy just kept lingering in my mind like yeah gosh this guy was really cool so anyway cool cool mark I mean come on that's not cool to hang out in places like that but I was I was running from the Lord I was a little son right so I making his movie though so that's that's where the movie heat you know early background of movie making yeah so I've been making films for 34 35 years started in my late teens and my first foray into movie making went to the Sundance Film Festival one and I was 22 Wow and so then I had a career very young but not not God honoring films at all that I was doing but I was you know building my I gotta do do what I got to do right so yeah that was my thought process and and pretty much while my career seemed to be going up my my life was a train wreck yeah I was just running from God and and just made all kinds of bad decisions yeah and then he met me in the train wreck place I was in you know I mean that is crazy yeah that that is a crazy story because the fact that both of you were just absolutely down those paths in your life and then they crossed it and then you want to tell me maybe there is no faith there is no belief in God there's a reason why and that the Lord not circumstantial because you know and honestly we talk about it all the time because we are seven and a half years difference between us and we would have never met any other way like like the Lord so has a plan for everyone's life that people you can't see it any other way you can't you can't and I don't see that that scenario especially in any other way I'm there is no first of all no part no no no patron of a gentleman's club ever goes home with the stripper so that's just a no that just never happens I mean we all know that right a lot of them say a lot about it I say they do but it's never ever happened except for this and and so that's just it's actually to me just one of the more tremendous stories of how people met and even in the worst of circumstances that's what I'm saying people he is willing and able to save yeah for sure absolutely let's let's start right out the movies that you've made you there was Inwood Drive right if I'm not mistaken there is mind polluters dysphoria which was your previous one and and and what brought you on to our show previously and then now this new one title 9 what what drove you to hey we've got a you know we've got a we've got to make this documentary this is so important and so downplayed in the media this this executive order legislation that was passed through by the Biden Harrison administration what drove you to say hey we got to do something about this and do make something now for everybody to see well it really went so title 9 is is a spin off basically from dysphoria so it's correct I when I joke with people I say you know we we we cooked up some leftovers and made another movie when you when you do these documentaries you know we'll sit and we'll for each film we'll interview between 10 and 12 people and our interviews are an hour to 3 hours a piece mm-hmm so there's a lot of material that you don't use yeah you know you said the editorial process and you're telling the story there's a ton of stuff that you have to cut out and one of the story angles that we were working on as we were as we were doing dysphoria we did a lot of question asking about title 9 because it was it was going on it was part of our research already and you you can see where it's going yeah and so that was something that we had to cut out of dysphoria because we didn't have time yep and so when you get it done and dysphoria is long enough right dysphoria is two hours and 12 minutes long there's still stuff that we couldn't put in and so I started thinking about it and I said you know I bet you it had been several months and since I'd gone back and looked at the footage but I told Amber I said I bet you there's another movie in there I bet you I could we could we could put together at least a good hour mm-hmm just focusing on title 9 and all you know and telling that story of where they're going mm-hmm where it came from and that's what we did yeah and I think it's important to kind of see the progression of what's happened here because it wasn't just like okay well there's another movie in there it was as we continue to pray but we are always very prayerful about what we're doing and how we're serving the Lord because even when we started fearless features in 2017 you know Mark and I get up super early in the morning and we have our devotions and when we pray I'm talking 3 3 30 in the morning and we're up so that before all the kids and the busyness of the day starts and I just looked at him and said you know I think we're supposed to be making movies and he already the Lord had been working on him and he said I know our first movie it's gonna be Inwood Drive and so that that movie tackled the abortion issue right and our local abortionist we had no idea there were so many times along the way that we went why why are we doing this like it just seemed like Lord why did why did you call us to this you know why why are we doing the story well come to find out we get the film done the abortion skies they find over 2,000 fetal remains at his home in his car in Illinois you know and then we realized like oh my goodness there's a bigger picture here again the Lord has a plan you'll just be obedient to what he's calling you to do so what we're working with abortion we learn all this information and so then we look at him say okay well why are why do all of these young teens why is abortion such a huge easy way out basically we realize it's it's the education it's it's how they're how it's being presented and comprehensive sex education and so look look what follows Inwood Drive it's the mind polluters polluters deals exclusively with the comprehensive sex ed where it came from how it's being infiltrated into all the schools across and around the world basically social emotional learning so you move on from that we're very prayerful like okay as we learned what happened with the comprehensive sex ed what else is in the comprehensive sex ed oh it's also the transgenderism yeah here we go in and just being very prayerful again Lord where are we going where do you what do you want us to tell yeah and so now now we're dealing with the transgender issue and as we're dealing with the transgender issue we get done with dysphoria or okay Lord where are we going and again it's like sorry you guys you're not done yet there's there's something else there yep there's that's the progression and the span of fearless features in the last what seven years yeah I mean it's what which is amazing yeah four films in seven years yeah it's yeah it's nuts we know nuts when we watch the video thank you for the preview of it we we talked to you before we came on the air and I kind of want to get the idea because it's it's not what we thought right we thought it was going to be from the sports aspect you know boys want to play and girls but what I call some of that's in there I mean it is part of it didn't want to play right but you come at it from the legal the legislature sort of if you will side of things and it gives you a different look and so tell us if you don't mind how where you felt that needed to be said over gee let's let's talk to Riley games Riley games the typical ones that have been the big spokes people exactly yeah so tell us how why you wanted to go this route and why it was important well I think with anything it's just we the Lord we listen to the Lord you know guiding us on these things and so we just have a unique I guess perspective on these things and and we always look at it we don't look at at other films on various subjects as our compact competition we look at at what do people need to know and so if you a lot of times you'll look in and you'll say it's like with dysphoria there are a lot of films about the transgender issue but our take on it is is unique you know as we hit people we're we are addressing the church correct late on with them and basically pointing out the reason why this is happening is because the church has been silent and so we we just have a unique perspective as we look at a lot of these things and with title nine like you said most people and most films and and TV shows that talk about it they're focusing on the sports angle and that's correct and so we look at it and go and go I think that's been covered right and I don't have any any more to add to that why don't nobody's talked about this and when we go back and we look at what we what we acquired footage wise a year before we look at it go wow that's actually what what we have that's that's right yep and it applies yeah no yeah and to have and to have those perspectives from people like former Attorney General of Indiana Curtis Hill and great challenges with child and parental rights campaign to have them they so they do do such a good job of explaining it and and you know but as you've seen in the film we explain it and then oh we've only just gotten started right because okay here's what it is and here's where it came from now let's talk about really where it came from correct you know we're really where they're going which is great by the way it's a great perspective and it's an easy excuse me it's an hour nine minutes it's an easy watch and it literally the time blows by as you're watching it because you're so in you guys do such a good job with not just like the narrations and your parts in it but the interviews and the people that you have in there and the explanation of it all it's just an easy follow I feel that it's that the documentaries and this is I hope you don't take this negative negative really but it's I feel it's made for dumb people like me you literally can follow along and understand the path that it's all taken and it's interesting when you were talking about the progression of your documentaries each one its own little rabbit hole that keeps getting deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and talking to other independent filmmakers who are all broke by the way and need help so we'll get into that part portion of it you know because it's all about a pocket money it really is I mean there's donations and things but it's it takes a lot a lot of money and effort and it's it and a lot of hard work but they all say the same thing to Jim and I they're like the the actual progression that I started with this subject and then it turned into hair and then it went here and it just keeps it in deeper and deeper and deeper I think Jim asked a question I think off air but I think is pretty interesting is does does any of that ever scare you what's what would be next can you I know it's gonna come to you and I know that but what does it scare the living heck out of you as as as it does us when we find out all this information you know yeah and you have information we don't even have I'm certain of it so yeah I mean so the the discussion that we have especially when we did dysphoria was and the mind polluters but but doubly so with dysphoria was how how far can you lead people before you start to lose them right because they're too careful I mean you can't like if you if you still people too much I mean people will withdrawal yeah well I can't handle that yeah they're just they're just as is only so much and and there's I think it's speaking of you know picking on myself as a filmmaker through the years what I remember of myself is in my younger years you kind of have that bullish kind of you know arrogance where you just go well you're you're just you have to hear it and if you don't understand it you know you just yeah you just dumb right and so and I remember being that way and trying to trying to do things where I was forcing too much and you lose people and you come across as being arrogant and radical and radical and people don't people shut down and they don't want to hear from you anymore right I'm unlike yeah and and I think as we have together learned from all of the work that we've that we've done I think a big part of it because we did so much work before we started through those features we did a lot of work for non profits helping them to take a complex subject like their brand and explain it to people so we would we would do videos especially for their fundraiser events where you've got a room of you know six to eight hundred people and you've got six minutes to basically tee it up and then so that people are ready to give and then they can send somebody on stage and make the ask we got really good at doing that and I think what the Lord was teaching us through that is how to how to not hit people in the face with the bat but to still get the point across and there's a there's a fine art to it yeah and so that's what what we've brought to doing our fearless features films is to be ill we spend all the time that we need to to research the stuff and your and you find yourself just emotionally drained because the depth of knowledge that you have on the stuff and you and you go I I can't even begin to explain to to someone who doesn't follow this at all mm-hmm if I told you everything I know you you literally would shut down yeah yeah yep the Lord has given us this unique calling to be able to you know to to take that we can't I mean we have our limits too but mm-hmm we he's given us the gift to be able to to research this stuff and process it sure and then distill it down for for someone who doesn't deal in it every day so that we okay let's pretend that no that you're talking to somebody who doesn't follow this doesn't understand it at all we need to explain it step-by-step yep and and and also how people can get involved like we hit it where where doesn't matter most where everyday people can get involved you know same thing like what we watched with the mind polluters and I mean it was it was shown all over for an entire year across all 50 states all 50 states have it and you know grassroots we're using it for different different events and what and what we saw happened through that there were over 30 pieces of legislation across I think I don't remember in how many states but there were over 30 pieces of legislation across the US for that were coming up for a vote in 2023 and you know five states were actually able to overturn the obscenity exemptions allowing the pornographic books in the library so many so many candidates use the movie to get on their their local school boards I mean there were people all over America I mean it was incredible what we watch the Lord do with the mind it was translated into Spanish and it's in 145 different countries wow it's just it is amazing when you can actually you know step people through what matters most of how you can get involved mm-hmm we're doing our part to show you what what the problem is yeah where you can effectively make change but you have to be willing to take that step to get involved correct I want to absolutely I want to go back because in the in the movie it I'm glad you pointed it out because just because an individual has a D and an R oh yeah behind their name mm-hmm doesn't mean that they're necessarily that right person correct so you guys so the couple two full question here the first one is we need how did you know to get that out there to let to let that be known because I I try to tell everybody you know hey donate to AOC who's running against her you know the Republic well remember this is a Republic from New York no different from a Republican from California how much difference is there between the two so you have to you have to watch it and pay attention and what you did in that movie was was phenomenal how you set it up and then the second thing I want to know is what was the most shocking that you you know you started down this rabbit hole right what was the most shocking thing that stunned you - that it's like holy cow that we didn't even know that yeah so hmm gosh there's not really a hole up that shocks us anymore I mean I'm just be it for real yeah I know I think I think when you especially when you're grounded in scripture and go to the book of Revelation you know how yeah I know what else you're gonna shock you so you look at these battles if I'm if I'm looking at scripture if I look at everything through the lens of scripture which which we do you know everything you do is from a biblical worldview and there isn't too much that really shocks us per se but as far as but as far as putting that piece in the movie so first question talking about basically picking on the rhinos right yeah of course that's I mean for me that's that's just I have I have a very I guess just you know an idealistic I guess picture of how things are supposed to be right and there's wrong and it should start with the scriptures and so yeah when and I don't like bullies right right when I see when I see people who get into office who betray who betray what they have said they're going to do mm-hmm it just makes me mad yeah and and I'm I'm like everybody else I get I get really sick and tired of you know once somebody gets into office and then you you no longer can actually talk to them you have to go through the switch board or you can you know correct then you have all these layers and yeah they they put all these layers where now now they've insulated themselves and they do whatever they want to I mean mm-hmm I get I could go on for weeks about you know some of our elected representatives here in in Northeast Indiana right and so I'm just like everybody else and what we've realized that is that with doing the films that we do not that we were looking for this we're not looking for power and influence but we we have seen that these films have an awful lot of influence on being back against a lot of these people I mean she was talking about the mind polluters and you know we have been blamed for all kinds of things yeah yeah school board races and that getting up getting turned over I mean and the liberal media Washington Post writing an article about it wow suddenly the eye of Sauron turns in a yeah you know hey you know hey look look we got we got their attention let's do that again yeah yeah exactly exactly right answer your first question that I I will I guess I look at and I and I think I don't expect leftist liberals to act any other way so why I'm not gonna waste time even pointing it yeah we talk about the things that are happening and what I want to point out to people is listen you know that the Looney left is doing these things I want to show you that the Looney right is also doing also doing these things because because at least we can we should be able to affect this if we would take control of our own side we might be able to get somewhere correct good point just just to be very vigilant and in researching who it is you're voting for because it does matter yes just helping to point that out to people just to be discerning as to how much you're listening to who you're listening to and looking at people's track records of what do they really stand for yeah exactly and I've had conversations too I mean speaking you about people on the right and this isn't necessarily people holding office but people on the right who are we are just as bad as the left at eating our own sure and it's it's frustrating for me as for anybody else and I find myself in these conversations when we do screenings and things like that where I have these face-to-face confrontations with some of these people that wasn't ideally idealistically we're all on the same side yeah but they've gotten they've gotten so wrapped around the axle with with you know well you know but they don't believe in this and they're you know it has to just everything has to be so perfectly intricately aligned for them or they hate them correct exactly things that we get accused of because because we we dare to push back on our own side you know what you're just you're obviously just not pro-life what yeah yeah I mean like I told and we made a movie about it you know I know like we we got we still get pushed back on Inwood Drive because people say you know well you're just glorifying you're just glorifying their approach where they were just incremental and you know what we need is just a band it just needs yeah it just needs to be banned I'll look at and say I agree it should be banned but they were effective in change and getting it done here's a story about how somebody got something done what have you done yeah answer to that yeah there's correct correct you're right you want somebody to make a movie about what you're doing then do something tell me what you've done you're right yeah you've been very influential in that that that's it's absolutely you know it's a great answer because I never thought I never really thought of it that way and how you were approaching it but I mean that's yeah I mean it's absolutely brilliant Jim let's if you don't mind we got to hear from the sponsor once again and then we'll be right back with both Mark and Amber. 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them use coupon code two guys get 10 percent off your first order free shipping everything over a hundred and twenty five dollars total win for everybody in your sport a great company thank you Mark and Amber for enduring us in that so we appreciate that you know do you know is that voice over is that Kevin Sorbo I know actually so the voice over it does sound like it doesn't it do you know Kevin Sorbo like personally I've talked to his wife yes Sam I would love to have him do some voice to be honest with you we put that commercial together and we used an AI generated voice so yep yep so it was kind of our first experience at this whole AI thing and it was it's weird you know it's weird how good it works and so it's a good journey thanks so but yeah it's up but if Kevin you know wants to come you know introduce us do on the show you know love to missus Sorbo even I don't care let yeah it would be great it absolutely would be great let's get the title 9 itself now the whole the whole premise of it all for those who who don't know exactly the beginnings of it all and what it was intended for and I know this explains it so don't give anything away we want people to go and watch this but tell a little bit about maybe what that was intended for and how it's transformed and maybe just who might be responsible for all of this today without giving away the entire no it's hard to do but just your thoughts on it all so well title 9 is part of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 correct and title 9 was added in 71 2 2 Nixon I think and so title 9 is mostly about it it's it's makes things equal in the educational field it does apply to sports and so it basically said listen you have to give equal time and equal investment as a school into girls sports if you got you know this much to spend on sports you have to split it you have to make correct available and also opened up opportunities for scholarships for for women to go to engineering schools military academy things like that so I think overall it was the right the right thing right is good make sense right and it has it has now been used as so what we've pointed out in title 9 is that the left and the rhinos have been trying to inch down the field here too they tried to pass the quality act mm-hmm and what was that 20 2021 21 or 22 I think I think 21 is right at yeah right after they stole the election so they went in we just got shut down yeah we know we do that a lot right right our YouTube channel class oh no no no no problem so they went in and they they passed the equality act which out of the house because of course the left controlled it yep and then it got stalled in the Senate and the quality act was to was to rewrite the the basically rewriting title 9 codify it yeah to make it instead of sex make it gender identity sexual orientation blah blah well they didn't get that so then this is their next attempt at it to to say well we we've decided that we're interpreting sex in to mean this yep and so you see you know Merrick Garland talking about well we've decided that it means yes and so he was gonna be clear that this is how it is and then the department the Department of Miss Education comes along and writes a letter to everybody and says this is how it is so this is one of the things we talk about in the title 9 is how they keep doing this through the rule making process right yep and what again what a lot of people don't know about but what you should be paying attention to because you absolutely can have an effect locally if you get involved right yep and so yeah and and if you follow we've talked about this on our podcast you know probably two three months ago there was a case out of the Supreme Court that overturned what was called chevron deference and what this case involved the chevron case is 40 or so plus years ago where basically the the courts said well in absence of a law stating otherwise the bureaucracy the bureaucratic agencies are seen as the defacto experts hmm so what they say goes and that's that's why you have seen an explosion in for instance the ATF one of my three letter agencies yeah to harp on because for starters they're completely unconstitutional anyway mm-hmm but the ATF loves to say well we've decided that bump stocks are machine guns right yep and and they so they just write a rule and then they start confiscating things and putting people you know prosecuting people yes the force of law this is the rulemaking process and it's and and what happened in the chevron deference case where the Supreme Court overturned this and said no now if you you can't do this the federal agencies are overreaching and if you want this to be the effect of law then you need to pass a law finally so it is started to push back on this but this is still what the what the playbook of the left because it's what they've gotten away with for almost half a century yeah mm-hmm yep exactly wow wow and it's gone sorry well when you when you look at the when you when you watch the movie um I like that you brought back you brought well I shouldn't say brought back but you did technically bring them back in the movie um the gentleman from Texas yeah Jeff hunger thank you I forget his name escaped me but um I know I know most of this was in dysphoria but the story that he had it I'll be honest with you that was probably one of the most disturbing things I had seen between the two moving and and because of the fact of who his wife was mm-hmm but not only that there there's no happy ending in his story like the other in dysphoria at least the other two the moms got their kids back from it rescued them from this transgender ideology jet unfortunately has not and he still has not and his why his ex-wife had has moved to California which she is he's posting heartbreaking updates about his son on social media so if you could it um and I know it's it's it's it is part of title nine but for people who watch title nine who didn't see dysphoria if you could give a quick a quick background from what his life what happened with him and folks this is true this happened please just pay attention and let let us let our viewers here yeah I may not have seen this for you yeah so Jeff Younger and you can go to save James calm I believe but just just look up Jeff Younger and you will find you will find him and but he when his child was three his then wife who is also a pediatrician decided one day from a happy meal that their one son James wanted to be a girl and so she started we should clarify from a happy meal from yeah because of the toy that he picked the toy right because the toy and then he went into a store and saw a unicorn purse or something and and she decided that that's it that he wanted to be a girl of course he noticed this unicorn purse and he picked the girls toy and a happy meal therefore he's really a girl yeah I mean logical logical decision pediatrician pediatrician you know dressing him as a girl changing his name Jeff obviously opposed and they soon were getting divorced and began a long legal battle took many many cases in court I mean Jeff has been his story even more than what we could share in the movie it is devastatingly heartbreaking and unbelievable and the the reality is there are millions of families who are also going through this because they have been saved and lied to which is so important for people to understand and that's why it is those of us who know the truth we cannot be afraid to stand up and speak the truth correct there are there are people being damaged and and mutilated and hurt every day and it's targeting the children it's so that's that's Jeff's story in a nutshell yep that and I just thought it was important to talk about because it's kind of leading to what everything is that we're going on here that they want normalcy they want this oh absolutely yeah that's it and I refuse to I mean that if they're gonna make it happen this way then they're gonna have to take take not take me out all right not take me out in the sense of kill me but take me out in the sense of okay we Kamala Harris wins the next election our shows off the air yeah right that's what they're gonna have to do because I will never be okay with this never well never with any of the nonsense but it is it is a it is a it is a good point it brings up a point that might be towards the political end of this we had discussed the Democrats in the left and the Looney left and we discussed the the waste of time rhinos on the right do you think that and I asked this question for a reason and it says not to do with any of the movies or anything it's just your own personal if you don't mind sharing your own personal beliefs on it do you think that that a president Trump presidency a second one is the only way to save our nation from from from from this lunacy and everything else and I ask that I'll tell you why in a minute but just kind of interested in your response whether it's him or somebody else and whether you're a Trump sport or not I don't even know I honestly don't know but do you think that that choice is what it's going to take from the upper level to save it so from my perspective so I was I'll be honest I was not a Trump fan in 16 most people weren't yeah but he won me over I mean in the primaries the the county were were in you know I voted for Ted Cruz in the primaries I thought it was you know a better candidate and our county was one of the only counties that went for Ted Cruz yeah he won me over I mean he he came in and he did that was he perfect no of course but he did what he said he was gonna do that's and he was the most the the most amazing the things that he got done worse were staggering staggering so to your question of is that the is that going to fix everything if he's back in office am I a Trump fan now yes do I think that he's perfect of course not and when I hear people say you know they point out all of his flaws why don't like him because of this and this and this and this so you know what until Jesus himself is on the ballot yeah there's no perfect candidate right that's right never is going to be right so anyone who understands sports or warfare you understand that sometimes you have you have a garbage sandwich and you have to pick you know the the least terrible option sometimes so some people they look at Trump and they and to hand to them he's he's the he's terrible but compared to the communists correct I mean you you know what you're gonna get so you know yeah so do I think that he's gonna be the solution to everything no it's we have a morality issue in in America oh there's my point okay go on so is is he now here's the thing I I've I have observed about Trump that and I think that the assassination attempt definitely changed him mm-hmm and I have watched him change over the years do I need some kind of inside line no I have no idea but but I see a changed man mm-hmm and he now we have we have interviewed people who have dealt with him and his influence in the Republican Party and said that he's he's a populist yeah and he definitely is trying to you know make the big tent and you can see that he's bringing in people like RFK okay okay and some people we can argue about that all day I don't know I was not an RFK fan on some things I exactly I really agree with him mm-hmm but you know he's again there's no perfect candidate again there's no perfect candidates last name is Kennedy so yeah correct my name you have that but yeah so so to look at and say well this is gonna fix everything no it's not gonna fix everything but but incrementally you have to you have to do something yeah so so for Christians to sit back and say you know I don't like him because of this and it's not gonna make any difference anyway and I say well then you're you are don't complain when it goes bad right yeah right yeah time for people like that those yeah those are those are people who have given up yep and I did ask that for that reason and it was because I believe you know and people that Jim and I have fortunately had the opportunity to interview and all that there are people above these things running things in our country there's higher you know higher up above a president above you know it's all financial it's all that's how it's all driven it's all money driven and we know that yeah yeah exactly the deep state stuff right the deeper than deep state that I even imagined there was out there right that I am now firmly in belief of but before was like nah you're just talking right until we did this show you know this podcast nah nah I'm a believer in that that deep state stuff so that then tells me and leads me to the morality issue that you brought up and and it's bizarre because the people and I don't surround myself with people that aren't I want to say aren't like-minded but I tend to shy away from that group of people that think otherwise right I think we all do it's just human nature in my opinion there's got to be 80% of the country has got to believe in most of this that you know partial birth abortions are terrible that you know letting a two-year-old decide what gender they want to be is terrible you know porn in schools is absolutely a terrible idea and so with all of that you would think and there's more there's you know nobody likes high inflation we don't like high gas prices we I I'm conservative I don't want dirty water despite what they all tell you you know I want all of that stuff so despite all of that they just can't have us united in that way so regardless of who is in charge to me it's always going to be a media driven narrative to divide us all and it's to me I guess I'm just always striving for what is the answer what's going to fix it how can I fix it what can I do about CBS News I don't know I'm one guy what should I do so it always concerns me every day I think about this stuff and so when you present like your documentaries and other people we talk to that have unbelievable documentaries out there and they don't get picked up or they don't get shown or they're being stifled does that does that discourage you in any way are you are you and I know I do know the answer and I get that but I mean is there what's the plan I'm looking for somebody to help with the plan and I pray for it you know and like what can I do or what can we do to fix this mess despite who's in charge up there you know we're not always going to have our guy up there obviously we haven't 12 on the last 16 we've it's been ran by Democrat it's always going to be kind of this flow so what do we do individually to make sure that we stay on that moral compass and make sure our country you know exists for the future well go back go back to scripture one body many parts you know the the I can't say to the hand I don't need you that's right I mean and so and we're just called to be obedient so what we're each doing the Lord has a plan for each of us you know at the beginning of the podcast the Lord had a plan for us to meet in unlikely of circumstances the largest plan for the way that our life has has played out and the different the different opportunities that he's you know presented us with that we can learn and grow individually together as a team and then to help and grow you know the grassroots outside of here and and to work with people but I think you know laying aside all of there there's too much pride within a lot of organizations like we don't need you and in and your beneath us or you know it's all about status right yeah we're just we're all work especially if you're if you're serving the Lord and you're being obedient you know we look at and we go yeah we don't care you're not we're here until the Lord calls us home we're gonna be doing it for as long as he continues to provide you know we're the where the Lord guides he provides so we're gonna continue to keep on keep on keeping on you know it's what it's called us to we did a we did a film many years ago that didn't really get any traction and one of the guys that that we that we kind of dealt with on that was Dr. Alan Keese and he you know Alan Keese of course ran against Barack Obama yes Illinois Senate remember I destroyed him in the debates yes and and Alan Keese is he is an amazing speaker and we filmed a couple of his public's speeches and one of the things that has always stuck with me was him saying to people you know pointing out all these bad things and he says he says you know what what I would suggest that you if you want to do something about it you could start by going home and looking in the mirror mm-hmm what have you done what have you been doing you know it's stop pointing the finger and and start looking in the mirror at what you're doing and I remember listening to that and it really stuck with me and I said you know he's right I mean I've always known this mm-hmm to have somebody with that kind of power of you know and speech to say that and that really I think was the beginning for for me of getting the right mindset of what we do with fearless features is yeah you know we when we started this film ministry we were just like every other average you know conservative American just living our lives mm-hmm and trying to be the best example of Christ that we could be in the marketplace that we were in yeah and and I'm not saying that that's I'm not criticizing that that's most people have that's how they live and that is what we're called to do mm-hmm sometimes the Lord pulls you out of that and says no I want you to go further and I'm gonna put you right on the front lines here and that's where we have found ourselves is being sent directly to the front lines on this and and basically the the call that we have had is the Lord saying I want you to expose what they're doing and tell others what they're doing and in the process we have to we have to process it for what does it mean for us right we're saying well look at it and go well what can I possibly do about mm-hmm you know Starbucks for example yeah I know yeah yeah agenda what can I possibly do about a woke tractor supply company I can't yeah yeah but I but we can talk about it and we can it's also important to note that you know we talked before the show and just talking about our kids we have kids for every parent out there you are modeling what it's like to live life and and to have courage and I never especially now with what we do as we started researching this and realizing what was happening to kids in the schools and how they're trying to change legislation and look at this and in at the end of the day I do not want my children to be in their twenties and their thirties and look back at me and said say mom what did you do to help it's gonna be quiet because I think I don't want my kids to live in that world no ugly and so we have to do everything we can now to stand up to protect our kids not only for for the current generation but for the generations to come correct this is this is not gonna go away overnight no this is generational and if we don't do something about it now it's it's gonna be far worse for our kids and grandkids and we could ever imagine yeah and I'm glad you brought because I wanted to ask this question about in the movie title nine you talked about school because I'm glad you pointed it out because Dale and I've talked about this be be careful the vouchers right because private schools right we have private schools out there yes or private so let's take our kids out of public and put them in private and do we really want to do that you know because the government's only gonna give vouchers for so long before they say hey we're in charge again what led you what led you down that to add that because I know you've had some issues with the church because the church likes their money from the governor right they like they like yeah they rely on their federal yeah so when you got when you got to that point of the schools because you did bring up you know do we do you take your kids out of public schools do you homeschool you know and then only it takes a special person to be able to homeschool right you just can't just do that so what brought you to that to to point that out and how much can we push to make sure that every and the other thing is is there something that the listeners can go to before if you're thinking of a private school is there something out there that shows this is how much they've been given for vouchers or this is that is there something out there that they can see I'm thinking of public school exit yeah Alex Newman's has a great website public school exit.com okay they have a lot of resources on there for parents and people who are interested in learning more about home schooling you know education on vouchers and okay Alex Alex talks a lot about that but vouchers you got to remember aren't aren't the necessary evil right there they're they're they are used and every state is different I should yeah I was that. The thing that I always caution people on to add to what she's saying is don't paint it with a broad brush and we in in title nine we talk about the vouchers and if you if you remember Alex Newman who taught who really talks about him and he's very he's very diplomatic about it I think and he said and he points out listen I've seen this happen overseas and this is this is the pattern that we're and we're seeing the same pattern here and I'm telling you where it led in Europe where they test these things first so so you don't want to look at it and say oh okay no more private schools we're pulling our kids out now look at it and understand that this this of course this is where they want everything to go the government the leftist the globalist this is they want control of everything and they they want you not talking about the Lord they want you educating your children that there's a hundred and communism and communism is great correct yep but in the meantime I mean the state we're in here in Indiana Indiana's voucher program is the model for the rest of the country it is that I just had this conversation with a with head of schools at a private school that our kids are at or our daughter and he and I said so what strings are attached for the take this and he said in Indiana there are none yeah okay and and this is this is what you want and the Indiana voucher program has passed muster through the Indiana Supreme Court this is a state program not yeah yep so the the founders knew what they were doing the separation of powers from federal to state yeah means that it you can have a state like Indiana that has a great program that can't really do anything about because it's not their money yeah and so but it doesn't mean but it doesn't like that in California but it doesn't be valuable and it doesn't mean that we should that we should just because because there are you know communist leftists in the Indiana State House just like there are in the federal so you know you know but again but again it's why it's why we try to educate people to know where to what to look out for so that when it when it shows up in the news and you happen to see a headline about vouchers you should probably go and read it and you have a minimal understanding an overview of what it even entails so that you can say um should I get involved in this or not yeah and being very prayerful about okay is this gonna affect my family mmm-hmm it's gonna affect my kids my grandkids my neighbors you know who needs to know about this and knowing exactly and knowing how to how to ask questions without being you know coming in with guns blazing oh yeah mmm-hmm we always tell people when we do screenings of our films and we will always tell people listen don't take this information and get all riled up and go shoot off an angry email to your school principal like ask if you can come in and talk to them and ask questions first yeah which happened with with you know when people watch the mind polluters and they'll get all up in arms about the libraries yeah and they'll immediately you know shoot off an angry email at the library well come to find out there was there was one incident like this where it was a public school library and come to find out the the librarian who was there had just started yeah was fairly conservative and she was she had no idea had no idea she was like side of the stuff but like everybody else and she was going yeah thank you for pointing this out it wasn't me I just got here yeah you know yeah so you have to what we want people to do is to is to learn to think okay let's let's start by asking questions yeah and if you ask questions and they start coming after you okay that's a warning sign that there you know red flag ask questions then that's that's an issue yeah that's an issue but most of the time you find when you ask the questions and you and you find that it's not this terrible thing that you thought it was yeah it's just that you didn't quite understand it correct correct yeah it's a good point because you know case-in-point a lot of people make fun of Indiana I think there's a lot of good about Indiana a lot of good that a lot of the cut the states could follow I mean make fun of us all you went to whatever it's it's all the it's all the problems fly over states right they like but there's some of the best places in the world to live you know are in those fly over states and let them keep flying over to California yeah flying by California don't stop mark amber can you tell people how they can reach you how they can help fund if necessary where they can see all of your documentaries including the newest one title line let us let everybody know please yeah everything is available at fearless features org and we've got the movies on there you can make a donation because we are 100% donor funded just just so that we can continue to share the truth we just know that you know grants and that we don't really attach remember yeah yeah we don't make grant money really because the strings that are attached to it or we get told you would have to you would have to operate inside this box yeah you'd lose you lose the freedom to tell the truth yeah and that's we can do that yeah correct so that's where they can find it and I would suggest that everybody start from the first one and move your and and work your way up to it it's it's a it's basically a series and easy to follow it's worth see yeah yeah you'll see what what they're talking about about this leads to that to this to this I mean we've all had things in life that that's happened to in this these documentaries have done it for you we we can't thank you enough for all you do and the effort you really are inspiring people to mean to Jim and hopefully to our viewers to just to just follow follow what's your hand follow what you're being told there's there's a reason why we are doing these things Jim and I feel there's a reason we do this podcast there's there are reasons things happen and it's a it's a higher power and it's got leading you in those directions and it certainly has oh thank you one of our listeners put it up there fearless features.org we would be not one of our listeners basically our producer I mean we can live without her you know to be honest with you so thank you Buck I put that up there but yeah you're an inspiration you're you do great work your documentaries are absolutely phenomenal easy to follow easy watches and you sure do learn a lot which Jim and I have and we're we're blessed and honored to know both of you so we we appreciate that yeah we appreciate you guys taking your time which you have very little love to come on our show and and it doesn't go without our appreciation so that's for sure I will I will be planning on taking a group to your do you viewing in September so is that when it is you can tell me I mean is it so I didn't know okay yeah September 14 at 1 p.m. and available online okay great yeah thank you and that's at fearless features.org you go there you can look at the tickets it's it's absolutely what's that and we'll be there well and you'll be there to meet them yeah we hope yeah we'll send our kids I've got one I have one in particular family member that I'm hoping I can get to come to this one this is the outlier of our family I call but yeah yeah yeah it'd be interesting if if you could get that person Jim and I know you're talking about that it would very be very helpful I think at that point but anyways thank you again I don't want to keep you any longer I know you guys are short on time and because of your life and everything that's involved with it and for what you do and if there's anything you need from us or you want us to do anything for you please reach out or you have anything else you want to add or say you're more than welcome always and you guys got a podcast too right don't I mean is it yeah so is it a number yeah what what's it called I'm 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has it's made us it may not seem like that imagine me before this podcast so it's actually made me a better person better human for knowing all of these people and the work they do is just unbelievable and there you know their story how they met all right you and I yeah you and I deciding to a podcast one day yeah and then bringing all these people on talking about what we talk about people can say what they want yeah I don't know what you want it's God God leads everybody to where we need to go they do listen that he helps us with those decisions but understand there's testing to yeah right and so we have to understand that that we have to try to overcome that none of us are perfect he knows that and but God has a way of how do we say rebooting right and maybe Mark and Amber are two of those maybe you and I are two of those maybe that are going to help reboot maybe I'm not there yet you know I don't know I mean I keep striving for it so I keep trying to just follow the path that I I'm 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