The Carolina Panthers are benching Bryce Young, their former number one pick, and it is another massive mistake by a franchise that seems to be unraveling in front of our eyes. The injury bug has hit the NFL through two weeks, but it has hit the Los Angeles Rams the hardest as Cooper Kupp joins other starters on injured reserve. The Kansas City Chiefs lost running back Isaiah Pacheco for two months as well, but they should be able to withstand. Finally, the Monday Night Football matchup where between the Atlanta Falcons and Philadelphia Eagles where the Eagles completely choked the game away and you can blame the coaching staff.
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Your team every day. - Football fans welcome in to the new Lockdown NFL, bringing you a double dose of the NFL's biggest stories with the help of our local experts that know your favorite teams, like no one else. I am your host, the Madman Tyler Rowland, joined today by Lockdown NFL expert, Lauren Cox, on today's show. The Atlanta Falcons pull off an excellent comeback against the choking Philadelphia Eagles. Also, injuries are starting to impact NFL teams in the Los Angeles Rams, could be cooked. Also, we'll start with Bryce Young being benched in Carolina, a big mistake made by the Panthers. Do wanna first, thank you for making the Lockdown NFL podcast. You are first to listen of the day and for being an every dayer here with us at the Lockdown Podcast Network where it's your team. Every day, make sure that you tune in later to the barbershop with Tony Wiggins, here on Lockdown NFL to get more NFL coverage. Today's episode is brought to you by FanDuel. Now through September 22nd, all FanDuel customers can bet $5 and get a three week free trial of NFL Sunday ticket from YouTube and YouTube TV. Visit fanDuel.com to get started. Lauren, we are gonna get started here with a clip from my guy, Julian Council, from the Lockdown Panthers podcast. And boy, Julian has been through it. It's David Tepper. He's the problem and will continue to be the problem here in Carolina and why I have no hope for this organization to ever be anything other than an unmitigated disaster because he has no clue what he's doing. Doesn't know, he has all the money in the world. And this really should've been the first red flag for us here locally. When he decided his hedge fund, Apple Listen Management, he was not gonna no longer be a part of that. He was gonna move on, come here to Charlotte and focus all his time and energy on the Panthers. That's when we should've known right then and there that we were at. 'Cause this guy has decided this is his pet project. This is the number one thing that matters to him. He wants to win and look what he's done. He's taken a franchise that historically was about 500 and a team that's gone to the Super Bowl twice. He's taken him and put him into the bottom of the NFL. - I mean, listen, I understand being absolutely disgusted by what the Panthers has done. And I think they've made a huge, huge mistake here. So number one, you bring Dave Canalison to fix Bryce Young. If you're benching Bryce Young, you're already admitting he can't do that. The reason you brought him in, he can't do it. Gabe Dan Morgan, the general manager job, are part of it to bring in players to support Bryce Young. Stein, $150 million worth of guards, bring in some more talent. And you're admitting, oh, what Dan Morgan did to try to help Bryce Young, he failed. So not only are you admitting that you failed, drafting the number one pick and the trade that they made to do it, which Lauren obviously you know a lot about, what a miserable trade, one of the worst in NFL history as things stand now. But you're also admitting that the coach that you hired to do this one specific thing and the GM you hired to do this one specific thing, they aren't capable of doing it either. So from the top down, this is a disaster for the Panthers. - I agree that it's a disaster for the Panthers, but whether you admit it now in week two or admit it later in week 10 or week 12 or after week 17, like isn't there an advantage to saying, you know, admitting your mistake now and saying, yeah, we screwed it up and let's get it out of the way now. So we can at least start to move forward as opposed to maybe lying to ourselves or lying to the fan base by saying, hey, we still believe in Bryce Young, we still believe in Bryce Young for however many more weeks until it becomes too much to ignore. I mean, isn't there an advantage to at least getting out ahead of that a little bit? - Lauren, I don't think you're wrong about that, but let me tell you why you are still wrong about that. (laughs) - No, look, I'm just looking at it from a different way. So for the Panthers, to me, you roll with Bryce Young the rest of the season, no matter what, no matter what, and here's why. Number one, maybe he gets better. Maybe he gets better and you didn't completely ruin your organization with one of the worst trades of all time. Maybe he gets better, but if he doesn't, you can look back and say, no regrets. You know what I mean? Like, hey, we gave Bryce, right, exactly. We gave Bryce Young every ample opportunity to do this. We gave him two full seasons and we can honestly look our fans in the fan, look our fans in the face and say, we tried, we really tried. So to me, you're giving up too soon to figure that out. And the flip side of her to the other way to look at it is Lauren, what's Andy Dalton gonna get you? Couple more wins, maybe you don't lose the locker room, but ultimately your ceiling is lowered because you're going with a guy who you know is not the franchise, who you know can't lead you to a Super Bowl, and then the final layer is, if you play Bryce Young for 17 games and he's as bad as he is right now, you're gonna have a much higher pick in the draft and you can look you're paying customers in the face and say, hey, it didn't go well, but we tried to give Bryce a fair chance, but really in the back of your head, you're saying, man, we need a new quarterback. Man, we need better talent on this team, and the best way to do it is get a high draft pick that we don't trade away and play in Bryce Young, whether he gets better or he stays as bad as he is, is your best path forward to finding a true difference maker. - Listen, I covered a team that went to Andy Dalton over a young Justin Fields, so I know the pain that Carolina Panthers fans are going through here, but do you think there's any preservation of Bryce Young's potential future trade value by not having him go out there and flail for 10 to 15 more weeks this season, that are they looking long term and saying, listen, Bryce was bad for these first two games, but maybe there's still enough there that another team will give up a fourth round pick, like Trade Glancecott coming out of the 49ers to the Cowboys, or maybe even a higher pick than that, as opposed to saying, let Bryce Young be bad for 17 games and have zero trade value down the line. Like maybe there's a preservation there of like, hey, if other teams just don't see him for a while, maybe they'll kind of trick themselves into thinking, oh, we can still fix him, even though the Panthers couldn't. - Yeah, I mean, I guess that is a possibility, Lauren. We do have to acknowledge that as a possibility. So there is maybe, you know, trying to find a way to get something out of him down the line. I'll answer your question with the question though. One thing that we haven't mentioned here is, sitting Bryce Young and letting him kind of recalibrate with the idea of putting him back in later. Dave Canales maybe kind of hinted at that in a weird press conference on Monday. Do you think there's any chance that Bryce may come back later in the season and be better? - Yeah, I don't feel like 10 games or whatever, like in season is enough time for that level of like rehabilitation, build your confidence back up process. Like I think if I'm Bryce Young and his agent, I'm looking more like on the Geno Smith Baker Mayfield timelines of like if I'm kind of optimistic about, okay, Bryce, listen, things are bad right now. But we've seen other quarterbacks, even with Baker being the number one overall pick, have some struggles not in the same level at all, but other quarterbacks have had struggles, taking some time on the bench as a backup, build your confidence back up and not have that same pressure to be the franchise savior. But maybe then go to another situation later on down the line, get some maybe better coaching, better receivers, better offensive line and show everyone what they thought you would be coming out of the draft, that maybe you just weren't quite ready for or just weren't quite in the right situation for at the time. And he can still salvage his career in another place, but I don't think putting him back in the lineup after their bi-week and week 12 is gonna be a new Bryce Young at that point. Like it feels like if you make this decision now, his panthers starting career should be done. - Well, if I'm his agent, I'm saying look, Sam Donald, Reclamation, Baker Mayfield, Reclamation and both of those quarterbacks looked pretty bad in Carolina. So that's how I would sell that. If I was his agent, it's not you, it's the panthers. And I do agree with you because let's be honest, Lauren, how many relationships do you hear? Oh, we're taking a break. And then things end up better. Just not how life works. But with that being said, the Rams might be cooked after another big time injury. And this time it's Cooper Cup. We're gonna talk about that. Do wanna remind you to tune in later. With Tony Wiggins here on lockdown NFL, part of the lockdown podcast network, your team every day. 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All right, folks, injuries have officially hit the NFL. All right, it is time we're seeing people drop like flies right now and we got two big time injuries with Cooper Cup of the Los Angeles Rams and Isaiah Pacheco of the Kansas City Chiefs. Which team is affected more? Honestly, Lauren, I gotta say, it's the Los Angeles Rams. I mean, at this point, I don't know how the Rams can expect to have a competitive season. You look at some of the injuries that have just piled up for them. You had Puke Nakua who got injured really before the season and then the injury lingered into the season and now he's out for a while. Cooper Cup with an ankle on injured reserve. Jonah Jackson, their starting guard has a shoulder injury. Starting safety, John Johnson, all of them are expected to miss extended time. They could all end up on injured reserve. This is an outright disaster for the Los Angeles Rams and I'm just gonna come out and say it. I do not think that the Los Angeles Rams can rebound from all these injuries. I just don't think it's gonna be possible. - Yeah, it's really the compounding factors here with injury, right? You can lose one guy and it's tough, but next man up. But when the next man up and had a few different positions, you're left with outer receiver who's ever had 500 yards in a season in their career with the Los Angeles Rams, a wide receiver at least there. Like, it's not a pretty supporting cast for Matthew Stafford and as great as Matthew Stafford has been, like he's not in that tier of, you know, Patrick Mahomes quarterbacks where it's like, "Oh yeah, it almost doesn't matter who you throw out there." Like, "No, he needs some level of help there." And it's not just the past catcher's, it's the offensive line. Jonah Jackson has hurt for them as well. Like, at least for the Chiefs, like, yeah, they lose Pacheco, but they still have Samaje P. Ryan in the backfield. You still, of course, have Travis Kelsey and Xavier Worthy and Rishi Rice. Like, it's a big hit to their running game, but as long as you have Patrick Mahomes, you always kind of feel like things are gonna be okay there. They can lose Tyree Kill and still win the Super Bowl. Like, they can get by all things considered, but the Rams just, the hits keep coming. And now on both sides of the ball, a team that's already trying to overcome the off-season loss of Aaron Donald, that a lot of young players they're expecting to get better. Like, this was a team that was, felt like they were maybe overachieving a little bit at first and now it's a tough road ahead of them. They're the 49ers in town this week. Like, even if these injuries are short-term, it's 49ers and then at Bears, which is winnable, and then Green Bay Packers, Jordan Love might be back by that game and then they get a bye-week and maybe they can get a little healthier by them if they start one and four in that stretch, that you just can't come back from that slow of a start. - Yeah, and some of the numbers where they say, you know, you start out 0-3, you have this percentage to make the playoffs. Things are a little different now that there's a seventh team added. You know, it does kind of change the equation a lot, but I agree with you there. I mean, the Rams can say next man up all they want, but it looks more like next man down. That's what it looks like in Los Angeles to me. And it's funny that you mentioned Matthew Stafford. I agree with you. He is not an elite-level quarterback, like a Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, even to me, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson. Like he's not quite, I always call it Matthew Stafford the day walker, which is a reference to, you know, Blade, of course, I don't know of your big blade fan here, but Matthew Stafford is a guy who kind of, I can't call him a game manager. He's way too talented for that, but I also can't call him an elite quarterback 'cause he hasn't really been that. So he's kind of like an in-between there and at the end of the day, that's just simply not any at his age too. You can't, maybe Matthew Stafford in his prime, but at this point with the injuries on the offensive line at wide receiver, there's no way that Matthew Stafford can lean this forward. Now you mentioned Isaiah Pacheco, which I get what you're saying, but I don't know if I fully agree, let's hear from Chris Clark from locked on chiefs about this Isaiah Pacheco injury. - Running back, Isaiah Pacheco is likely going to head to IR. He has a fractured fibula. Right now, the extent of the injury is not known. It will be something that will be looked at over the next couple of days to get more of an assessment of how bad the injury actually is. It's possible that he could return in late December or early January in time for the playoffs. Generally speaking, a fibula injury is going to be about a 12-week recovery period. So that's going to be something to watch. Right now, we don't have all the details. It is not out and available yet. They're still running some tests, but it is expected he is going to miss significant time at least probably three months. So IR is definitely going to be something that they will be looking at with him. We will have more as soon as we get it. And I'm sure we will get more by the time that we have locked on chiefs later today. - So the latest that I saw was six to eight weeks, but you're talking about, you know, a broken leg at the end of the day. I think, you know, who knows how long that can be till it. Heels right till the player is comfortable. It's, you know, there's going to be a mental barrier with any injury, but I feel like sometimes, like when you break a bone like that, it's almost a little harder mentally than just a ligament and things like that because it's like a snapping of a bone, you know, it just has a different feel to it. But let me say this, I agree with you that Patrick Mahomes is the great equalizer and that the chiefs are still going to make the playoffs and they'll probably have a high seat. And as you said it, you know, they'll probably win the Super Bowl again for a third time, but we're seeing a big change in the NFL this year. I mean, passing touchdowns through two weeks are down 20. They're down like 60 from a couple of years ago. The NFL is going through that cyclical change where they start to run the ball more because of the two high shells. And I think that Isaiah Pacheco is more important to the chiefs right now than he's been the last couple of years. So I think this is a bigger loss this year with the way the NFL is just playing out than it would be in his first two seasons. - That I agree with 100%. Like Pacheco is second on the chiefs in targets and receptions this season. Like he's been, Patrick Mahomes has had to do so much checking down and throwing behind the line of scrimmage and the running back had to be part of that. I mean, that's why they made it such a priority, you know, to add somebody like this in the back to keep making receiving backs a bigger part of this. I mean, Samaje P. Ryan, another one of these guys they ring in because of their past catching ability 'cause they know they don't have the same talent that wide receiver that they used to. So getting the running backs and the tight ends involved are a big deal. I think the thing I come back to is like, you know, they bring in Kareem Hunt for a visit as at the time we'll recall this hasn't been signed yet, but that may happen. And you feel like not that Hunt is gonna come in and be a thousand yard rusher right away, but the running back position just ends up being a little bit more replaceable than, you know, the wide receiver position at this stage or the NFL in between Hunt and P. Ryan, you feel like you can piece together not a great running game, but like a good enough running game. And certainly running backs who can do something with the ball in their hand after the catch that you feel like, all right, like my homes will have enough of what he needs and like Chris was saying, maybe by the time you get around to the playoffs, Procheco is back and the regular season doesn't matter that much for the Chiefs once they hit the postseason, you know, then they dial up to a different mode and you can be back to not full strength, but closer to full strength. - Yeah, that makes sense too. I mean, as my guy Alex Clancy says and said a lot yesterday, it's Patrick Mahomes until it isn't. 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All right, Lauren, we are gonna cap off today's edition of locked on NFL. We have talked about the Panthers making a big mistake with their benching of Bryce Youngwell. I think it's a big mistake, Lauren. I'll speak for myself on this one. Talk about some injuries hitting the NFL. The Rams are a mass unit at this point. The Chiefs lose their starting running back. They should be able to survive. Debo Samuel though, out for the San Francisco 49ers as well for quite some time. That's a big injury. But we gotta talk about this Monday night football match-up because the Eagles absolutely choked this. And in my opinion, the coach is to blame Nick Siriani, makes a big critical mistake late in that game. And my God, Gina over at locked on Eagles is not happy about it. All good things come to an end sometimes, except for the Philadelphia Eagles winning a close game against Kirk Cousins on Monday night when they had nearly a 100% chance to win the football game. I'm Gino Camillieri, host of the lockdown Eagles podcast to tell you that the Eagles lose 22 to 21 against the Atlanta Falcons in a game where according to next-gen stats, the Atlanta Falcons pulled off the seventh most improbable comeback since the year 2016. And if that doesn't tell you that you have a poorly coached football team, I don't know what will. Nick Siriani, there's a lot of points in this football game, not taking the three points early on, not handing the ball off to Sequon Barkley on third down, not going for it after Sequon Barkley drops the ball on third down. You have to look at the coaching staff. This was abysmal. Nick Siriani, this might be it. - He's 100% right. I mean, that's a scathing review there from Gino, but not running that. Okay, taking the three points early in the game on fourth and four in the red zone, reprehensible, in my opinion, to count on your defense as an Eagles coach and say, "Hey, our defense that just gave up what?" It's 29 points to the Packers in week one. Oh, our defense is going to hold him down. We don't need the points. We can risk it. No, you can't. No, you can't. And you're not on the goal line, either. It's fourth and four. Like that is insane, but not running the football to Sequon Barkley at the end of that game, throwing that pass. I don't care who you run it to. Quarterback sneak it with Jalen Hurts. Maybe you get the yards. If you run on third down there, maybe you pick up the first, maybe you score. That's possible if you run to, but more importantly, you run all 40 seconds of clock against a team that doesn't have any timeouts. Like any Madden player, eight years or older, knows you have to run the football there, like anybody. So to be that risky from Nick Siriani in the position that he's in right now, where really he's on the hot seat in Philadelphia. If they don't come back and have a strong year, just insanity. And I mean, we got to give some credit to Kirkhoe Banks too. I've been killing Kirk Cousins the first few weeks saying that they need to play Michael Penix and Luke spent three minutes breaking down Kirk Cousins' footwork in the pistol and why it's not good. All of that. Well, Kirk Cousins came out there. It wasn't a clean game, but he came out there and was clutch and clutch Kirk in prime time. That's how crazy this choke was by the Eagles. - Yeah, I think on that last third down play, you know, we want to blame Nick Siriani and I get it, handing the ball off is the easy thing to do there. But the coach's job, right, is to put the players in a position to be successful. And the coach calls a play where the quarterback throws an accurate pass and it's a running back in the hands and where if he catches that pass, he's got a first down in his game over. Like the coach's job is to go out there and win the game. And he called a play that was perfectly set up to win the game. I mean, Siriani can't make Saquan Barkley catch it. And Siriani can't account for, I better not throw it to Barkley because he might drop it. Like you have to trust your players in that moment to make a play and everyone made a play on that play except for Saquan Barkley. So like, I definitely agree with, you know, taking the points early in the game and like trying to trust your defense that, you know, this defense you'd think should be better. They shouldn't give almost seven yards per carry to Bijon Robinson and get one sack on maybe the most immobile quarterback in the NFL. Like there was a lot that went wrong for the Philadelphia Eagles in this game. But I find myself not harping on Siriani. Like it's one thing if, for the third down decision, it's one thing if, okay, like, Jalen Hertz throws a jump ball in the corner of the end zone or something stupid, you know, if the play call is really just, they never had a chance to succeed. But like, if that ball hits Saquan Barkley in the hands, it might be a touchdown and there's not even a chance of a Falcons comeback. At the very least, it's a first down if he catches that ball and then-- - But stupid things happen. - Stupid things happen when you play football. Lauren, I was always told three things can happen when you throw the ball and two of them are bad. I don't care if it was a perfect pass. I don't care if Saquan Barkley had stick him on his hands and was ready. You cannot, you cannot call a pass play there. You can't do it. - But if it works, he's the genius. You know what I mean? Like, are we playing the result of the process there? You know, like-- I'm playing process. I think you're playing the result. You're saying, hey, you know, the play was there. If he catches it, it's perfect. I'm saying, I don't care what happens on that play. You can't throw it because that's bad process. So I will position myself as the process guy, Lauren. - Well, but like, but even though that play went wrong, you still got the ball back with 30 seconds left and time out to drive down field and Nick Serana didn't throw the interception to Jesse Bates either. You know what I mean? I'm not to be the Serana defender here 'cause I don't think he's a great fan of games, but like, I think we could kill him for the first three quarters. The end game decision making, I don't totally hate it here. Like, I get when you trust your big free agent signing at running back to catch a pass. Like, that was his whole thing as he's a good receiving back out of the backfield. Like, trust your playmakers to make a play and they let him down in that moment. - You know, that, I mean, that's fair, but I just think that it never should have come to that 'cause it's too risky of a move. And, you know, you get what you get. That's what you get, Serioni, for being like that. But we do gotta give some credit to the Atlanta Falcons. I thought they really battled. Again, it wasn't a good game. It wasn't a clean game. It was an ugly game. They were down. I mean, Gino mentioned it. The Eagles had like a 99% chance to win that game win probability at the end. So for the Eagles to, that's the kind of win right there that writes your ship and puts wind in your sails. And I gave the Falcons their credit. But the final thing that I wanna say here, Lauren, is Mike Rabel better keep his phone close to him because the Philadelphia Eagles are screaming for Mike Rabel. That's exactly what they're gonna do if they get rid of Nick Serioni anytime soon. - You go Rabel over Bill Belichick there? - Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, I do. Yeah, Rabel, Rabel is pissing vinegar. He would be perfect in Philadelphia. - I think we could do a whole other lockdown NFL podcast about. - Right, right, right. - And coach opening and who's gonna be the first head coach fired? Nine penalties on the Eagles is another thing there. That's a coaching thing for sure. - Yeah. - I feel like Serioni's not getting the job done all around there. - Oh man, football season is in full swing, man. You're right. We could go for another 30 minutes here. But instead, I'll tell you to make sure that you tune in to the barbershop later with Tony Wiggins as he breaks down more NFL stories with you. But that's gonna do it for me. Your host, the man, man, Tyler Roland and my co-host, Lauren Cox, thanks for tuning in to Lockdown NFL. Get subscribed, stay subscribed. It's your team every day here at the Lockdown Podcast Network. And as I tell you guys, every show, stay safe out there. (upbeat music) - A Prime members, you can listen to this Lockdown Podcast ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. [MUSIC PLAYING]
