(upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Hello Philadelphia! I'm Bruce Buffer. It's time for the Anthony Corgano. (groaning) Good morning, good morning everybody. Well, happy, happy, happy Tuesday to all across the Delaware Valley. This is the Anthony Corgano show and we are live at the Primo Hogis. Right here in Clocksboro, New Jersey, right over the bridge and the shopping center off of 141 Berkeley Road. It's a Primo's extravaganza. As we get to hang out, big celebration going on here at the Primo's in Clocksboro, Hogis bound. So we're having some fun here. Look, I know it's about panic time. After yesterday, I'm like, uh-oh, 'cause the text, social media, everything is in this mode. You get kind of beat up by the Yankees. Judge looks like Babe Ruth and the Yankees come in and beat up Zack Wheeler. And now the sudden you start to look at it. Are they gonna lose, they're in danger of losing a fifth straight series? 10 and 12 over the last 22 for the Titans. A little bit of a downturn. Look, I will, I sound like a broken record and I know it 'cause people say all the time, my man Tisa Cape Town would say, "Oh, you know, when do you start to worry?" And I look at it like this. I don't begin to worry about this club until kickoff, all right? So if kickoff comes and they're still languishing, then I got concerned. But I don't have any concern right now. I still look at this club and I go, "This is a good club. "Where are the holes in this club?" They're not playing well right now, right? You look at it, you know, who thinks that Wheeler goes out and gets, you know, beat up a little bit. Rangers on the injured list, right? Like all that stuff. Who figures that sort of thing? Like, that to me is more the cause of baseball than it is any kind of, you know, foundation issue, right? When you're looking at worrying, right? When you're thinking about panic and you're thinking about, "Oh my God, I'm concerned," you got to look at foundation. So they're foundation. Look at the lineup, right? Their lineup is the same. Their lineup should be potent, right? When you're going to go shwarber and Turner and Bryce, right? And you follow it through with boom. I don't stop scuff a little bit. JT's just coming back into lineup, right? So you got issues in that, they haven't been wildly consistent. Castellos had some, you know, good hotspots and then it's cooled off a bit. You know, I like the Austin Hayes thing because he'll match the left-handers. So I look at the lineup and I go, they're going to hit and they're going to score runs. So I'm not, I'm not panicked over the lineup. The starting pitching has been incredible all year long. We know about the bullpen, the recent bullpen struggles, but now that's why you got Carlos Escamas, who is your, you know, right-handed, back-end leverage guy. So if you look at the three levels of the club, hitting, starting pitching, relief pitching, I don't see foundation, I see more baseball, right? Long, long season, you're not going to play that clip that they played at before. So a long season, you're going to see that sort of like ups and downs. They haven't had that big down period. This is kind of it. And even when you go inside the numbers, 10 and 12 over the last 22 is not, you know, six and 16, a five and 17. Those two may are more worrying numbers. So I want to continue to preach this. Today's the trade deadline. And don't forget, we're all over the place here at PHLI. All over the community, we have a big trade deadline show, Jamie and Renee from our all PHLI. Philly show will be at Murphy's Irish Pub. So it's going to be fun. They're going to be doing some fun stuff. We'll get it to tell you more details that. Well, guys, I saw something memorabilia. They're going to be giving away. It's fantastic. 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And of course, you know me, I've been telling you about Primo Huggies for the last 24 years. So you know, I'm a lover of the Primo. Good morning, my cohort. Violations, Greg Caputo. Good morning, Anthony. I said some panic out of you. Do you send some panic out of me? I got to go down there tonight. I need some life out of this club, man. You know what's going on? The vibes are all off. They don't look like themselves. They don't look like themselves. But in a weird way, that's a good thing. And here's here's let's dive into this. Yeah. Three levels. Yeah. The three levels. Look at your face. My God, look at your face. You got a you got a long you always have a long face. But you have this you got this got to push on your face. Yeah, I got to go down there tonight. I got four Yankee fans screaming at me. I had to deal with that with the Knicks. I don't want to deal with that tonight. All right. Put that aside for a second. How concerned are you? And I give you the three level argument. Yeah. Pitching has me a little worried. Well, okay. Starting pitches. Yes, it says it and Ranger haven't done these kinds of innings right now. They could be fatigued out. And that's interesting because the deadline is today. Yeah. There's a couple of big names. Yes. All right. So to reach school ball, if you don't know, I'm which is shocking to me that the Tigers would look to trade him has become one of the best pitchers in baseball. He's a lefty. All right. He is dynamic. He's almost reminds me of Carlton to how how he throws. He says power lefty, who is such an incredible talent. Now, he'll cost you, you know, big level prospects. I would trade for that. I would, I would trade the, the hunt, you have a painter and Crawford. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. I would. Cause here's the thing. You tell me if I'm at, if I go Wheeler school ball, no law in a three game in a series play, it's the best in baseball, easy, nobody's touching you. And I use Ranger as my, you know, I could put bring him out of the bullpen and you know out of the bullpen, Ranger is effective. So I, I mean, if I could get school ball, I'm in love. All right. That said, I hear what you're saying, but that comes into the, into the long sloping summer of baseball that your starting pitch is going to be a little up and down. All right. If they were guys who had a history of at least going through a full season, well, I didn't even know. I mean, yeah, we'll enroll it for sure. Yeah. But Ranger and Sanchez are concerns as late as it's getting late in the season. It's not late. I mean, it's not, it's getting there for innings for these guys with their innings. It is. Yeah. I mean, and I can see them going to a six man rotation at some point just to kind of get through that. Yeah. And then Wheeler falls off because he hates that. It's a real conundrum they got going on with that six man rotation. I think I need them, Browski to get me a bat today. I'm not happy with Hayes. He's an eh, he's an eh, and I'm looking at this outfield. They're not productive enough. We cannot have Rojas is that we need a center fielder today. Find me Ian Hap. Find me someone like that to bring in a little life like Chisholm brought some life into that lineup. That Yankees team went 10 and 22. They came in here last night looking like they're the best team in baseball. Okay. I get that. But that again, when this lineup, like you can't have I need that you can't have great bats in all for all nine. We don't have a great bet. What's that? JT. Okay. Well, yeah, but JT is looking at the back of the baseball card by the way, JT before he got hurt. He's going to be so fresh and healthy at this point. Okay. Well, let him come. He just got back. He just. I need a bet. He just got back. I need a bet. You need a bad. Yep. You got. Think about it. You got Schwabber. You got Turner. You got Bryce. Bryce has been slumping. So what do you bet? Bryce is pressing. He's frustrated. He's frustrated. But that's baseball. That's what happens. Yeah. He's fine. Rohos. It's not. Rohos sticks. I agree with you. And then you would miss the Rohos. You're cool. You're cool with the haze, marshy rotation and Rohos. The alpha production for a World Series team. This is not okay. This is not come up the snuff. Yeah, because you have Bryce Harper at first. Yes. That's why you have that. That's great. Turner is short. That's why you have that. All right. Boom. You don't have any concerns about boom. Yeah. I do have a concern about boom. It's a no coming up. But I'm using it now. They're three and eleven. So he's got this girlfriend. I were in the hole of three and eight. He's got his his heads out in the right place. He's got this nationwide girlfriend and suddenly he can't get an RBI. He can't buy an RBI. Okay. That's called a funk. Yeah, get his head right. The funk that happens with baseball. That's what happens, man. That's what he is. This is a look. And again, if you were 10 or again, six and 16, five and 17, I would understand you. But 10 and 12, they're a game under the sky falling game under 500 since the London flu hit that London. I think they're spelled themselves. They were in London. Then they swept the Dodgers. They got eight guys and the all-star games. Let's think about this, right? Think about what they did. How they did. Right. The same team that swept the Dodgers. Mm-hmm. Right. Look what they did. They're still look what they did. They're bringing up all this nice food in front of us. It was too deep. It was creepy. Well, look at this. Yeah. Like here you go. Feel better. All right. And some cheese. All right. Feel better. Here you go. You have all the beautiful. All right. I'm going to show you how to do it. I'm going to show you how to do it. I'm going to show you how to do it. I'm going to show you how to do it. I'm going to show you how to do it. I'm going to show you how to do it. 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I'm going to show you how to do it. I don't know, but I do think there's ways to bridge that issue for a creative team who's looking to win a World Series. I'm not saying the Phillies are the number one guy for him. Atlanta has been mentioned. The Dodgers have been mentioned. But their GM really spoke out yesterday and expressed some dismay and disappointment in the way crochet is handled and his agents have handled this thing. It just sounded like they're going to trade him. And if they're going to trade an arm like that and he's got control and you've got them for more years. And I think, like I said, if you're smart and creative, I think there is a way to get contribution out of him the rest of the 2024 season and into the postseason. Yeah, but I'm creative in the pitching. The Phillies pitching people are smart creative. They would not give my eye off him. I'm not saying it's going to happen. But I got my eyes on a lot of pitching starters and relievers for the Phillies. I mean, going into the season, guys, they thought they had enough offense. And on most nights, you know, save for this little reason spell, they have had enough offense. I mean, to the point where they thought they could carry Johann Rojas is kind of a dead bat because they were going to have so much other offense. They thought they could carry him as defensive first guy. Still looking to put it all together. But when this team is clicking, I think there's enough offense there. I wouldn't say no to another bat, but my feeling is they need pitching. Jim, have you heard them? Are they kicking the tires on Jack Flaherty at all? Jack Flaherty is a guy I've heard they've yet. Yes, investigated. I expect him to be traded. He's a guy that I would like to have seen them take a flyer on last off season. So I have pitched so many times in St. Louis. So I expect him as he gets further away from that injury in that surgery to get better. So yeah, I think they've kicked the tires on him as well as, you know, Marcana on the Tigers team and maybe Matt Verling. Those are all guys. I'm sure they've had conversations with the Tigers and I expect Flaherty to move. He might be a guy they could take a peek at. I mean, we got what seven hours to the deadline. That's that's an eternity for a guy like David Nebraska. I actually like I know people are like, oh, you know, they got estimates. And in Hayes hasn't shown much yet, but I kind of like those two deals. I do too. And I can't judge Hayes after three days. I need some time to get comfortable. I'm sure he's trying to do too much like the rest of that offense. This trades the trades they made over the weekend are going to need a while to be judged. And I still think they could be pretty good deals. And I would not be surprised if David Dombrowski keeps pushing here today. Yeah, I listen, I agree with you. Hayes just matches left handed pitching. And you know, I love him and Mars as a platoon. If you want to play Mars and center and get Rojas out of there, I guess I like that. It was, you know, getting us to as, you know, was expensive, but you needed that arm. You needed that upgrade. So you give them a high leverage left lefty, righty in that bullpen. But go back to I wouldn't, I'd like another starter too. And, but I that the crochet thing is so interesting because for the cost. And how you're in the for the need to be creative. I just think there are other better options. If I want to use my prospects. And you're probably right, but managed correctly for the remainder of the 24 season. I think you can work and you can get an explosive arm down there in the bullpen. That said he's going to cost elite prospects. I don't know if the affiliates will go there. I don't know that they'll go there. They have preserved their elite guys in the estimates trade. But I don't know that they'll go there on a mill or Crawford or a painter. I certainly don't think they'll move painter. That said, you do have two more years of control on him. So if you can kind of be creative and get him through this season, you've got a pretty good start of the next two years. So, which Estebes is a walk guy. He's a free agent. You know, a guy like, a guy like crochet will cost you, but at least there's some control there. I absolutely would not make the deal if he can't help me this year. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. There'd have to be communication with him. Pre-deal. It'd have to be communication with his agents. Pre-deal. It would have to involve my front office people and my pitching staff. To figure out if there's a road map to get him through. And if I can't get him through, you know, because it's win now. It's win now here. You can't get a contribution from him right through until they play their last game this year. I would step away. Yeah. That's my biggest fear. And then the way he's been handling the way his role of his agents. Like, I would be frustrated too, if I'm the general manager of the White Sox. I felt it too. You gotta allow me to nurture you. I'm not going to do anything to imperil you, especially today. We know how we are ultra cautious with pitching today. Yeah. And the White Sox aren't going to do anything to put him in harm's way. No. I mean, you're protecting him pretty well all year. I think the issue there is if he's traded. And, you know, he wants to know that he's going to have financial security beyond this year. In case he's pushed and has a breakdown, he's already way over, you know, his entire major league innings total. I mean, you know, but again, handled correctly. I think there's a chance you could get, you could get a nice contribution on him this year. And it's doubly attractive because you'd have him for two more years. But there's a lot of this financial aspects to it. Obviously, his health aspects to it. And you're going to pay. You're going to pay. You're going to give up a prospect that's going to hurt. Maybe too. So maybe it's better to focus on a Chad Green. Maybe it's better to focus on a Tanner Scott. By the way, price on him is huge. But, you know, my feel is, and I could be wrong because, you know, they're very tight left. And things can change in a heartbeat. My feel is they need pitching and I think that's where the focus might be. All right. Say they do nothing. All right. Listen, listen, he's grown in. He's been a, he's been a MOOC all morning today. So say they do nothing. Don't be a MOOC. How do you feel about them and the balance of power, the NL and look at them as a club? They do nothing as is. Believe it or not, if they do nothing, they've actually done something. They've made two deals, but we tend to look at a baseball season in all these little snapshots. Oftentimes 162 little snapshots. And they haven't played well recently. And their big boys have been struggling. They got a horrible start last night from Wheeler. They got pounded in their home ballpark embarrassed. Had a backup catcher on the mound. I hate that. You know, just embarrassing their own ballpark. So, you know, you look at that snapshot and you think the sky is falling, but I see track records that are going to get better. I think the two players that brought in will help them. Nice kind of a complimentary move in the outfield and a chance to have a difference-making move in the bullpen. This team is always going to, you know, their offense the way it is with the chase and some of the swing and miss. They can go cold and they can look ugly for a week, but they also can light you up for a month. We saw it last year. We saw it in October. I mean, honestly, the first two rounds of the postseason, it was like Fargo. They were putting teams through the wood chamber, right? And then all of a sudden, boom, cold, they're chasing, they lose their selectivity, their press, and they're trying to do too much, and they're gone. I think no matter who you bring in, almost, they're always going to be susceptible to these call spells. The key is get to the postseason and stay hot throughout. I think they're a good team. I've said this all along. If they're going to go deep into the playoffs and win this thing, you're going to win this thing with the guys that are here, the guys that have been here all year long. The other pieces that come in are complimentary to help you get over the top. But if you don't have those big boys contributing, the guys that you're built upon, the last five years, they've brought in an elite talent, all over the lineup and the rotation. If those guys aren't clicking, you ain't going nowhere. I don't care who you bring in. Do you feel better? I still feel better if I got an Ian Happer, Kevin Polard at a center field. That'd be much happier. Okay. Well, Ian Happ would be a nice, you know, I always liked him. You know, maybe they'll go that way. I don't know what they're thinking. If they brought it in a center field, you'd certainly be back in a situation where Marsh and A's would be platooning, which is kind of the initial thought on how that would go. Rob Thompson decided he wants to give hay. He's a little run in left field and Marsh, a few more opportunities in center field to see if that'll click. I don't know if they have, they have it in them for two moves. The rest of this, the rest of the way here, the next six and a half hours, but, you know, I think they will do something either score more runs or prevent prevent more ones. We'll see. Jim, does the, the position pitcher grind your gears as much as mine? Yes. I hate it. Yeah, me too. I don't want to say this. I started covering the game. Anthony, you probably remember the, like, when we were kids and when I started covering the game, I distinctly remember 10 men. You remember 10 man pitching staffs. Yes. Yes. And now we have 13 men pitching staffs. Yes. Yes. And they got to go to a, and they got to go to a catcher in the mouth, you know. Goes down a little. Goes back to pitch counts though. It goes back to, like, want to protect you for the next night. Hey, if you take it on the chin so bad, like it did last night, you ought to pay a price to next night. Right. You know, carry along and have him figure out how to get through it. Yeah. I just think it looks bad. I actually think it's an insult to the game, and I'm saying that it's someone who understands it. Get somebody out there to just throw strikes and get this thing over with so you can have your bullpen for the next night. Honestly, if I was a manager, I'd probably do the same thing. I still don't, I still don't like the looks of it. Hey, hey, and if I was the guy out there sucking up that inning, I wouldn't like it either. You know, my teammates stunk tonight, so I got to go out there and risk an injury. You bet. I would be loving the ball. That's all they can't say, go do that and blow out. Yeah. So I would not be out there trying to throw 88 or 91 showing off and getting hurt because I'm not conditioned as a pitcher. I would be lobbing it in there just like stubs. I don't like the looks of it, but that said, I understand it. And I would probably employ it if I was a decision maker and I had a bullpen to preserve for the next night. But I think it looks bad. How do you reconcile the pitch count thing? When you think about what it like I I so I'm so fast because I'm torn in so many different ways about what the what the how could back then guys throw all those innings. And just now I know, you know, the arm action, the velocity is greater. The arm action is greater. But what is it like Steve Carlton? What I mean was conditioned to throw 300 innings. Like, I mean, it's so much more dramatic. I don't know if we have enough time to even find out why it's changed because it's so complex. You know, I see both sides of the coin. You know, for every Steve Carlton, there were probably two guys who broke down and never get out of the game when they were 24. You can go through baseball reference and sure and and I actually do this sometimes. I'll go through and I'll look up old pitchers. Not all but guys are pitching the 50s 60s 70s. Maybe guys that I've met along the way are now in scouting or coaching or something. I'll go back and look at his career. And, you know, he'll be in the big league throwing, you know, 220 innings at age 22 through age 26. And then he's out of baseball at 90 pitches, like 16 innings as a 27 year. So I'm like, okay, there's the arm injury. There it is. You can see it. Not knowing what there, but you can see that. So I do think in a lot of ways, everybody's smarter now about, you know, I grew up up in New England, Anthony, and you might remember Mark Fidrich. He pitched 76 also. The bird. I love the bird. I grew up. He grew up about 40 miles from where I grew up. We used to follow him. Loved watching him pitch, pitched in 76 in the all-star game. He was in the big leagues. I think he pitched 220 innings in the big leagues two years out of high school. He didn't have his demand strength. He wasn't ready for it. And then he was out of the game like when he was 28. So I do think we're smarter in protecting guys and smarter in bringing guys along and watching there in England was letting them get your quote unquote, "man strength" before turning on the loose. But I do also think on the pitch count, there's an element of the almighty dollar that the business of baseball crept in that I'm an owner. I made a big investment in this guy. I don't want him to break down. I'm an agent. I see a lot of dollar signs for my client and my client. And he sees a lot of dollar signs. We've got to protect him. So I see all sides of it. And I do agree some guys can be pushed. But as a young player, I think you do need to protect him. I mean, it troubles me that a lot of guys are being developed in a minor league's pitch five innings and you look in the dugout for the coach to come get you. I don't think there's anything wrong with every game is individual. It's a low-stress game. Maybe you push them to seven. I still love the idea of the guy who goes seven. Six innings three runs. I love that. I agree. To me, it should be seven innings, three runs. That should be the quality start. So there's so much to it. I do think the baby pitchers in some cases a little too much. But again, I understand why they do it. A lot of it just comes back to simple money and we're smarter. Guys trying to extend their careers. So they're not one of those guys you see on baseball reference who at age 22 was 220 innings. 23, 240 innings, 24, 250 innings, 25, 16 innings, 26 out of the game. So there's a lot to it. I feel you, my brother, great stuff as always. Listen, thank you for talking to some. Because VG is like the fan base. He personifies the entire fan base. And I think everybody's feeling that way. Jim's basically said he's a week away from jumping off a bridge. It's a little too slow. Last another week. A lot of it has to do with where those Braves are in the rear-view mirror and those Dodgers. Because it would be nice to have the best record and get. And the Brewers. Yeah. I do understand the ebbs and flows of the season. Look at the team that knocked the snot out of the Phillies last night. You see what they've been doing the last six weeks? Yeah. Listen to talk radio up there. Well enough. A lot of teams just laid a whooping on the Phillies. They got some sticks in that lineup. I think they can come alive and, you know, get over this bad funk there. And it's just, I know people hate this cliche and sometimes it hates me in it, but it's just baseball. I know. I say I over say it. I know. But it is. It's the truth. Don't know what to say. Jimmy, we love you, buddy. Thanks, brother. Make me a sandwich. You got. You got a injury. I got a nice sandwich for it. The great Jim Salisbury right here on PHLY. Hey, listen. We talked about this all the time. We talked about the Bet Park sports book and casino app. Tell yourself a favorite. Check out parks casino in Ben Salom, the Mecca for fun and the Mecca for entertainment. Perfect for after work. Get together. It's date night. Girls night out. Guys night out. Simple, tantalizing drink. Suck off the warmer weather. Good vibes. Right now at parks casino. This is how you win. 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This is how you win a one note for PHLY. We have the bro and name a James Lynch and Renee Washington to do a trade deadline show on site at the D the Irish pub up in the East Falls Murphy's and these falls. So well, which that Billy Murphy's excuse me, let me get it right because it's a great spot. And Billy Murphy's tonight James Lynch, Jr. the bro are you going to go? It's nice. They're going to do a whole trade deadline show. It's going to be a lot of fun. Make sure you do it. We do all kinds of events here at PHLY. So hang with us. All right. And shortly. We're going to wind up going to the overcare center, the overcare facility to get our training camp update is right. Your neck update. This portion of the program is brought to you by Rite Aid. Check out your nearest Rite Aid for all of your favorite goods. What Jim said and it's interesting because he seems pretty confident that they're going to make a move. I want to get to the trade deadline. Yes, he does. He feels pretty confident that they're going to they're going to do they're going to make a move for some pitching. Yeah. That's the Dom Browski playbook. He knows what's happening. He knows how close he is. He's pretty much one of the most aggressive guys out there. I think it was John Marosi on MLB Network last night had said if you're a seller, the one guy you want interested is Dom Browski. Everyone wants to be a seller when Dom Browski's buying. So well, you know what, you know, he's funny because he is, he knows how to do it. He knows how to work that angle and he's just kind of got a coolness about him too. Like Dave. Yeah. No, he does. He does have that. Listen, even when the news broke, he got as though as he's sitting, calm and cool at the ballpark on his phone or laptop, just hanging out with his news. I'm flipping out. I'm like, how's he so calm? Just sitting at the ballpark. Yeah. Wow. I mean, what do you want to expect from? Yeah. Like give me something. How we how we have five, you know, yeah, if it's folks, I'd like when how he gets popped up. I agree. I like that. Here's how I look at it. I don't want crochet. I don't want to tell you. He's a problem. He's a problem. A couple of things. He's an elite arm. Yup. All right. And elite arm. But the agent, he's a primadonna. He's got an agent that's feeding his primadonna stuff. You know, I don't the price that is going to cost you for crochet. I don't want to I don't want to pay that price. Me neither. Tomorrow, I'll probably roll in a crochet jersey on if they trade. Well, I mean, listen, you're going to be a fan. Yeah, but I don't want to be sour. Yeah. Right? Like, you know, even though you're my I would not I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't spend my my capital there. No, I'd rather have flarity. So flarity on the lesser end. Yes. One year. Schoolable on the big end. Yeah. You know, people's take whoever you want. Pick three players. They're all yours. So I that's how kind of I would look and like to me, if you're going to go with somebody like crochet, then you might as well go all in and try to get lay in school. Yeah. Or I like trying to do a Robert deal. You know, if you're going to go, I don't I don't I'm not spending you want to spend for that? Would you spend for Robert? I don't think so. I wouldn't I wouldn't spend elite prospects for Luis Robert. I know you want to see the snow skis once now. I got no problem with snow. Yeah. Snow is kind of good. He's not going to cost me a ton. He just had a ridiculous outing against Colorado. He struck out 15. I don't three nights ago. I don't like snow for some reason. I don't know why. Well, for a year, but he signed for two or three years, I think the problem with here's the problem with snow is that he'll break down on you and he's he doesn't go deep in the games. Mm hmm. Yeah. He's a five inning guy. He throws a lot of pitches. He's got big stuff, but he also can be wild and he can implode on you. So that that's that's the one thing. Yeah. Right. So that's why. But I mean, listen, like he's on a list. If I had to put him in order, like Scoobles up here, and then I like flarity and it's now would be toward the bottom, like toward the back end. I mean, I've always been a flarity fan, and he's going to cost you. He's probably the least expensive because he's he's a free agent after this year. I was hoping about I was hoping for more from Jim, Jim's like, uh, it's just a slump. But if the slump continues for another week, he's only a week from panic. Yeah. I'm four weeks from panic. Yeah. You might want to talk Jimmy off the legs next week, like to me, it goes back to kick off. Yeah. But once you kick off for real, right, then I would worry, but you can't worry and at the end of July and August, it's too long of a season. There's too many dog days. This is how I remember being on a beat to just completely fatigued. I can't watch another baseball game. Now imagine you're forced to play. You're going to go through it and then all of a sudden you get past it. I can't explain it, but you get past it and then you're in it. You're in it again. I like your markers because when they start slow, you're like, ah, don't worry until Memorial Day. We hit that marker and now it's a kickoff is another market day. Now we have. Don't worry. Don't kick off. Well, it's true. I feel that way. I think Memorial Day is a big day. And what would happen? Right. They got they kicked it in well before Memorial Day. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then you got and then kick off is to me another big thing to think that I worry about with it. When you see me worry, it'll be cause they're not hitting in September. Right. And then maybe they get they take the foot off the pedal in September and like they have everything clamped and then, you know, they're not playing good, good ball for two weeks, going into the playoffs. Like that scares me. Like coasting in September, you almost need to play meaningful games just to keep you in rhythm. I guess it feels like they're coasting now, but hopefully and hopefully null is the stopper. Yeah. All right. Now I feel you. All right. Let's go to live to the Novik care facility. Look at him. Oh, beneath the cloudy skies on top South Philadelphia. Our man, Bow Wolf. May you look great, buddy. I'm looking at that field as on football is back. We're ready to go. That's a pad. So they work. So today was a big day because pads came off today. Did they actually hit today, buddy? It's good. You know, there's no tacking to the ground unless you're doing something wrong, but you get to get a sense of how these guys moves with the pads on. Obviously, you know, we get, we get some offensive line defensive line one on one. That's what really makes it move for me. That's what makes me excited. Got to see that for the first time and you see them focus a little bit more on, on the running game today's focus was red zone. We saw the defense dominate for the most part of practice until the very end last drive for the offense. They open things up with a nice draw for Jalen Hurts. Cam Jurgens is all fired up, says F. Yeah. And then on first and goal from the six Saquon runs it in for touchdown. So running game action for the opportunity. I want to see a little Saquon inside head off the broccoli into the end zone. I love that. Follow with the big boy push pushes today. That's a big news, but my timeline is blowing up with Kenyon versus AJ match ups today. How was that for you? So there was a, there's a period where they go, you know, they split the fields. They go offensive line, defensive line one on one's on one field and then wide receiver DB's on the other field. So I was watching the look at him frozen. You look good. Sure. It's a good color on them. Yeah. I like the, see the cloud cover. Yeah. Like ominous, like foot, you know what I don't like this stupid. I don't like football on a sunny day. I want overcast. I like overcast dreary or sunny with the cloud. So the clouds got a little bit of the summer. No, I like overcast. I do. I like, cause it's more ominous, like look at the dark clouds above bow. Yeah. Right there. That like that's ominous. Football has to have that feel to it, but I feel like there's a little sun poking through a little bit. No, but look at the dark. Look at the good. Yeah. That's ominous. He's even got the five o'clock shadow. It looks good. It's like seven o'clock. Yeah. Bow is frozen again. It looks like we do it down. Nova care. Let's get some service down there for these reporters, you know, Philly's got nice Wi-Fi at the stadium. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like the bright sunshine. Some people like the crisp fall day. Yeah. I'm all about that. The luminous sunshine. Yeah. You like that? There's skis like that, too. You like that? Yeah. Yeah. That brings me to a game or two. Give me like a early October game I'm in on. I don't want ominous November. I want the sun out still. Yeah. I like the ominous. I like tail game with a little sun. Well, I get that if you're outside and you're doing it, but look the way it looks, way football projects. Yeah. You know what I mean? Football projects ominous. Not happy sunshine. Baseball sunshine. Yeah. Right. Baseball. Here we go. Bo. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good. All right. So let's get back to it. How was Bechtin today at guard? Because I know a lot of guys are excited to see it within the Eagles. Bechtin at guard. They think he fits better at guard for his strengths. Yeah. And I think that's a really interesting thing to follow over the next week or so. You know, Zach and I talked about this yesterday on the show. I think there's probably a part of Harry Roseman that is a little bit happy. It's convenient that they have this Tyler Steen injury right now because they can take a look at Mackay Bechtin at right guard with no pressure. You know, if Bechtin doesn't look great, then they can just say, okay, Tyler Steensback, he can have the job for now and if Bechtin looks great, they can say, well, we don't want to mess with a good thing. He looks good right now. We're going to we're going to roll with it. Now today in team drills, I thought he looked pretty good in one on ones and sort of two on twos that they did with the offensive line, defensive line. He got beat a couple of times in sort of, you know, bad body language after after he got beat. And so there is no guarantee, you know, like Mackay Bechtin represented the best available offensive lineman when they signed him after the draft. But there was also a reason that he was available after the draft. You know, this is a player who has been very up and down over the course of his career. Letting him play guard is a projection. Certainly he's he's a powerful guy. So there's some upside here. He's only 25 years old, but there's also no guarantee. So one of the things that we will be watching closely over the next couple of weeks. Well, it's interesting because just talking to some guys is playing guard as opposed to tackle his inside his change of direction isn't an issue. That's an issue, his change of direction, which is why one on one and two on twos, he's probably more susceptible to that. That's probably right. And you know, in those one on ones, he does have to, he does have to move a little bit. So I think that's, I think that's a good point. I would say for the most part during practice, the offensive line got the worst of it from the defensive line. The defensive one won defensive line one today for the most part, except for that last drive that we talked about. Then a digressant also left with what looked like sort of like a little foot injury. So there were a lot of moving parts on the offensive line. Lane Johnson didn't practice the entire time. So at times it was like three backups in there. If you can't recognize it back up. So it's not like he had the best unit out there, but the defensive line got the better of the action today. Wow. How did you? So I'm excited, you know, I'm most excited for for the entire, the entire defense. I can't wait for Jalen Carter because I think Jalen Carter should be the game wrecker. He should be the guy on that unit. He should be, I think they expect him to be, and he has looked like the best of that group so far. No doubt about it. In one on one, it's almost impossible to block him, although I think Matt Hennessy had a one solid rep against him today. But in terms of the team drills, what you see and what may be the case at times of the season is Jalen Carter gets so much attention from the opposing offensive line that it opens up one on one opportunities for the guys like Milton Williams and the guys on the outside and then they can take advantage and we saw some of that today like Jalen Carter being double-beamed and Milton Williams getting in for a sack. So Jalen Carter, no doubt, is the focal point of the defense both for the Eagles and I think for opposing offensive gameplay. So what's your expectations for him, Bo? You know, it's interesting because the history tells us that defensive tackles take some time, right? Even the best defensive tackles in the league, guys like when in Williams took them until year three to really up that sack production and be impact pass rushing, but Jalen Carter had five and a half sacks last year. I think it's realistic to expect him to, you know, get eight or nine sacks and play be a bigger factor in the defense. No doubt that one of the things that we're going to have to keep an eye on is that snap count. Vic Fangio has talked about Jalen Carter has talked about. He's going to need to play more snaps this year. Howie Roseman said that these guys who in years past might have played 55% of the snaps are going to have to play closer to 65, 70%. So maybe just volume wise, you would expect the sacks to ramp up a little bit for Jalen Carter, but it's going to be interesting to see if his body can hang with that volume and still be as efficient as he was last year. V.G. talked about that matchup between the kid and the A.J. and you kind of froze. I was kind of curious as to what you saw. Yeah. So that was a split session where you've got the O line D line on one field and then the wide receiver DB one on one's in the other field. I'm all about the guys up front, you know, I'm a football man, so I was watching the trenches. Zach, Zach will have the notes on those, although I did see one particular play in the corner of the end zone while it was happening. Queenie Mitchell forced A.J. Brown out of bounds, but it was like an insane catch from A.J. one handed and got one foot in bounds, so it's nice to see the good on good there. Queenie Mitchell working a lot today with the first team defense inside as a nickel. I think that tells you that they have been impressed with what they've seen from him so far and even if they really like Keeley Ringo and Isaiah Rogers right now on the outside, I think Vic Fangeau is looking for a way to get Queenie Mitchell on the field. Yeah. I like that. So how do you see that playing out? So if you were to look at on the field when they're in nickel, who do you see? So right now, you know, with right now they line up with sleigh, it's usually Ringo sometimes at Rogers on the outside. It's usually of antibiotics inside and then it's CJ Garner Johnson and Reed Blankenship at safety, but they also rotate in Queenie Mitchell like I said, I think one, I guess and again, Cooper Dijean is injured right now, so he's not in front and we'll see what kind of role he plays. I think week one, I think we might see Queenie Mitchell as the nickel and maybe of antibiotics is like a backup safety if he makes the team. But I think come mid season, I would be shocked if Queenie Mitchell is not on the field in nickel situations, even if it's not week one. I love their secondary, I just love their depth. I do now, again, it's all on the comp, so you're betting on all those young players that you don't like I like Ringo. So I'm thinking that some that maybe this is the ringo kind of comes together for him. But I feel much better about the raw talent and the upside of that secondary that I felt in years. I mean, even if you go back to the Super Bowl year, I mean, you know, I mean, there were some holes back there, they got, they got darted by really good quarterbacks. When they played good quarterbacks, they would put up big yards against them. That's true, especially, especially under Jonathan Ganon, but you know, that was the case for those two years. I do. I agree that the depth in the secondary themes much better and much more talented than they have had in years past. And I think that the nice thing about that is they can afford to be a little bit patient with guys like Dijin and Quinnian Mitchell, like the way that I frame it is Quinnian Mitchell does not have to be the starter opposite Darius sleigh for it to be a hit in year one. He needs to be the replacement for Darius sleigh next season, because I think all expectations are this will be Flay's last year. And then you can allow him to come along at his own pace like they did with Ringo. And Ringo now seems potentially ready for prime time. It's also like Keeley Ringo is younger than Quinnian Mitchell. He's one of the youngest guys on the team. They drafted him when he was very young. So the fact that he looks as good as he does now in year two is very promising. All right, what are the linebackers look like with pads on as big as you? A little bit bigger, but not too much bigger. We see a lot of rotations there. They're still just looking for the combination that they like. So it'll be Devin White and Zach Bon with the starters. And then it will be Zach Bon and the Kobe Dean and then it will be Devin White and Jeremiah Charter Jr. and then it will be, you know, the Kobe Dean and Ben Van Sumer. And so they're rotating these guys through a lot. I have been generally a little bit skeptical that Zach Bon is going to come in and be a starting inside linebacker when he never did that with the Saints. The team that drafted him in the third round and never like it was the same defensive staff the entire time he was there. That seems like unlikely to me, but I think he's looked pretty good this summer. His instincts are not terrible. I actually like what I've seen from Jeremiah Trotter. He's a little bit small, but he sees it to me. He's all over the action on the field. And so this is one where, you know, you want to see them in pads, you want to see them in live action. I would say like seeing Jeremiah Trotter Jr. in the preseason is one of the guys that I'm most excited to see. So he looks, he looks like he belongs at least. He's not out of place or small. He looks small, but so does the Kobe Dean and he does not look out of place in terms of his instincts and where he's going? Let's get back to real quick. One issue, Bo, is that we talk about hitting and tackling to the ground. Do you think that's a good idea? Like, let's talk about philosophically because I'm not saying you got to go back to 2000 and one Lehigh and have Andy read, you know, those long, you know, ridiculously physical training camps, but I do believe that you have to create some semblance of calluses by hitting. You know, again, with the reason, but I think you got to hit. Yeah. I mean, it's just that the league has changed so much. Well, you know, like we might get, we might get one live session of a goal line drill with the 13th. Like, that would be my expectation where they're really tackling to the ground or something short yardage. I think that they have made the calculation that the risk reward of potential injuries is not worth it. Even though, you know, I think to your point, because like more injuries probably happen in non-contact ways than they do and, you know, head on head. Every year training camp, you look at it and every year it's always guys in space going down. Killy's like the, that happens more than anything. And I do think, you know, for the starters, I can understand it more. Like those guys have a long season to play. Maybe you don't need to build up the bruises, although I think there's something to be said for the calluses that you've talked about. But I think for the down to depth chart guys, like, how do you really evaluate them unless you see them play through contact and tackle and try to break tackles? Like, in terms of talent identification, I actually find that to be the most persuasive thing, because how do I know if Lou Nichols, you know, a third team running back is going to be able to break tackles or not when they're just thudding, right? Like, you know, if a linebacker can really bring those guys down in the open field, as opposed to just, you know, going shoulder pad to shoulder pad, and that's the end of the play. Yeah. And why is it that Harbaugh and Baltimore and Andy and a number of other guys will still have those kinds of camps, and then it works for them. You know, I still, it's one of those things that I still, I still think they're a little light. You know, they talked about it being doing more work, but I think you've got to do just a tad more, just for that endurance and going through that whole season, I don't know. It's always been there. I think I could be half dinosaur, cause of stories. Look, well, it's, I like that, cause of stories, are we, uh, quadruped, uh, bipedal, what are we? So, Bo and I, we both have kids that love dinosaurs that are dino heads, so we bond over there. Over there. We're over there. Cause of stories, I think probably Cretaceous period. I'm thinking, uh, maybe like a nice spine on the back, a couple of horns. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely want to hold it. You guys have knowledge through osmosis. Boom. Important. Did you give a Aaron Boone a little shoulder, shoulder pound today and be like, beat it, beat it. You know, I was with, with big Dom, you know, it was, it was, it was good and big Dom watching practice together. Yeah. Absolutely. What was then? What's the reality? What's the update? And what was he up to today? You love Siri, honey, huh? Like you want to say, you know, the daily play-by-play. Really? What's he doing today? He's watching practice. Yeah. Like it. Uh, yeah. I mean, he's calling out situations for, for reds on stuff. Like a little view here of these guys, you know, catching passes on the judges. So he's, he's like third and third and three, third and three, second and seven. Who else is going to do that? I'm not the head coach. I like it. Come on. V.G. I like it. I like it. It's incredible, Bo. Real quick, the on-side kick stuff, did you see this stuff? So just so you're looking at it, on-side kicks are illegal before fourth quarter. The team must be losing to kick it on side kick and teams must announce intention to kick it on side kick ahead of time. What are we doing? We're creating rules in, uh, train cap. Yeah. They can't get this stuff. It's, it's amazing, man. It's unbelievable. The new kick off stuff. Hey, have you seen any of the other kick off formations or practice? Does it look weird different? So, so today is the first day that we got to see them practice it. They did a little bit with, uh, with the pads on and they split it up between, uh, sort of different sections. However, I do have to say we are not allowed to talk about their kickoff, uh, new kickoff rule formations and stuff. We are in a barge from talking about it. All right. Really? And I keep this very buttoned up. They don't want anybody in the league. No one, what their plans are. Wow. Okay. Listen, I respect that. Uh, last thing. Who spoke today? Well, they're, they're just starting now. It looks like Will Shipley is at the podiums and, uh, Jamal Singleton is talking over there. I'm sure we'll get a few more guys later, but it was Michael Clay before practice. The game for that. Okay. Shipley getting reppin reps. Yeah. Yeah. He looks good yesterday. It's out to take long, he was back today, but he made Shipley made a bunch of plays in the passing game yesterday. I don't know that has something is going to be his, his game though. No, no, I hear you. Hey, bro. Great. Stop man. You kill it. Yeah. I just love, I can just stare at that. I love a sideline. It's the greatest man. Yeah. One more pet. Give me a huggie. Well, we got of course we got you. Look at this. Look at that. DJ Jenkins, Tyrion Davis, Price and Devonty Smith catching balls right there. See Nick's empty in the show. Here. We got the big guys working on their conditioning. All good stuff. Love conditioning. Big guys. Man, man, they need it. That's good. Hey, bro. Great stuff. You're the best buddy. Two o'clock today. Everybody has to watch our all Eagles, all P.H.O., why Eagle Show. It is tremendous. Bow wolf. Oh, that color looks great on you, man. Zach, thank you. It's a solid color. Zach and I are going to put our pads on tonight too, so we'll get some heads busted. Do it, dude. I like it. I like it. I'm ready. I love it. Thanks, buddy. There he is. Bow wolf. His family's got me all fired up. There's like five girls. They all got the filling shirts on. They're all with different cherries. He's on Harper, bow, marsh, Riamuto. Yeah. They're adorable. Those kids. They're adorable. We had, so my suppose started his camp yesterday. So we do was just shorts and cleats. Pads going. Do you go and watch? Yeah. I go and watch. Okay. I love practice. I go. Oh, like you usually help out, but I help that with Anthony's. I like to help out, but I love the sideline reporting, check it in on the over practices. I watch. So it's six to eight, right? So my wife goes, well, you just drop them off, you know, because you can't, right? I'm like, no, I want them. I like to watch. I got an eagle focus, eagle eye focus on the kid. So then I'll tell him exactly a litany of things that he needs to do. Right. Right. How do you know you're in line with what the coaches are telling them to do? It doesn't matter. No. Well, again, I know what kind of I'm just talking about. Not skiing. The scheme's different, but in how you act. I mean, now it's really doing nothing, but like, you know, just how you tackle like we work on this. That stuff for ever with them, all right, so, you know, you're dubious. Hey, man, you know, it's slippery slope. These parents, these helicopter parents long, lower, it's a long, lower, it's long, lower right now. Like God, dude, he's spoken like a guy who's got dogs. I coach. All right. Yeah. I've been coaching for 15 years. I deal with these parents. Okay, dude. I think I'm a little bit more qualified to coach. All right. Like, you know, then your average mom or dad, no, yeah, I would think so. I mean, you know, yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I got a whole thing. Oh, wait, before we get out of here for Sachi, get over here. This is what that's what makes this kid so great. What? Well, he needs a backhand. He's not. He's like a couple of verbal back ends, but she needs it back. He's like my boss tomorrow in a lot of ways. Yeah. He needs to back in. This is Versace our intern. Come on. There you're a thing, kid. Just crouch down. You don't need to sit. You're fine. We get two minutes. All right. Put the headphone on until you can talk and you can listen. Oh, dude. Oh, my God. He's been here two months. He was in UCLA. He was at UCLA. Yeah. And now he's going to Vanderbilt. He was our intern. What's up, Versace? We're going to miss you, buddy. Thank you. Oh, celebratory. Look at that. Big call. How about that? No, almost the end of the show. We're going to miss your buddy. Now you're head off to Vanderbilt. Yep. Right? Mm hmm. What did you learn about, uh, PHLY? A bunch of great people, uh, great show and a lot of fun. You were awesome. Tell the story about Versace real quick. Why you got the name Versace? Uh, well, why I was in LA when I back at UCLA, my mom took me to Rodeo drive, um, for my birthday. And, uh, I've always wanted a Versace rope and I got one, uh, 500 hour Versace rope. I love it, dude. You are terrific. We love you. We're going to miss you, man. Right? You always have a home with us. Thank you. All right, buddy. Oh, shoot. No, you're the best. Don't worry about it. You do. Yeah. Thanks, pal. It's great. That's our young man, Versace, who we just, uh, we love. Hey, welcome home. Steve's. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to be back home. You're a little Florida junkie. Love hearing you guys. You're right. You're making me nervous. You did fantastic today. Thank you. All right. Jules killed it. Like you guys crossed it. Chris. Um, thanks to your, Paul, thank you. Fantastic. This was incredible. The primo hogies. And again, we love it right here in Clarksborough, uh, Paul also has Pinspiration, uh, arts and craft studio, coffee, and it's all kinds of fun stuff. So thanks for hanging everybody. We love you guys. Go get a primo. See you in the morning. Bye. Thanks for watching. a lot of fun. Bye. You You
