Rabbi Joey Soffer Shiurim
Bava Batra daf 92
OK, we're about to start, put the chat in there so that people know. Today is September 25th, Dafsadibet, New Peric. Namo per perot, 6 peric, a 6th bah bah bah bah. And it's a, it's a quickie, so we missed it today. By the time you join the Zoom, we're going to be done. OK, we'll give them a second to come because it's going to go very fast. Great. We can make it slow it down. Maybe toss up. Actually, if we want it too, we'll toss up. Oh, do we want to? Here we go. Yeah, we're getting into school early. Yeah, we don't have to. We're getting into school. It's simple. It's things that we've learned before, very, you know, multiple times, and it's quick, so. What character? OK, let's go. Here we go. So I sold you fruit. Here it means, now, I'm planting them, so that's really, I sold you seeds, right? And I didn't tell you, at the time, I sold you the fruits, right? And I didn't tell the person, the buyer didn't say, I'm buying them to eat the fruits, or I'm buying them because I want the seeds to plant. I just sold you the perot, stam, without instructions. You came to me, bought some fruit. Good. Now, when you buy it, there's two potential things. You're going to buy it really only because you want the seeds. And I happen to eat it because you need to get the seeds anyway, but you'll return your attention to the seeds. Or no, no, I'm buying it because I want to eat it now, so I don't care what the seeds are, whatever. What does that mean you want the seeds? I want a plant. I want a plant. I'm buying apples because I want apple seeds. So I can plant in my orchard apple seeds. So I'm buying the apple, not because the apple, I'm buying for the seeds. You can see that, I'm going to replant it all. Yeah, I'm going to replant it all. Right. Or did I buy it because I want to apple pie and I'm going to find the seeds with garbage. Right. Now, I didn't tell you what I did. I came to you and I bought apples. And apple seeds are already, these apple seeds are already in the ground. No, I bought the apple. I bought the apple from you and I didn't tell you if I bought the apple to eat it or I bought the apple because I want it seeds. I didn't tell you. So, but it says Visarana. Now, and then I went and I planted them. So you know what he bought it for? No. I went to his house. I don't know what he did with it. He bought the apple from me and he left. Yeah, I don't know what he did with me. True story. Yeah. Okay, now they're just not telling us Visarana. And now the guy went home and he planted the seeds. His intention was to plant them, but he didn't tell the guy who we bought it from that he wanted to plant them. He didn't tell him. For a fish you're going to breed it or eat it. Could be. Same thing. Same idea. Same idea. Right. You'll look somehow. And guess what? Dud. The seeds were dud. The seeds were dud. They didn't grow anything. Vafilo zerapishtan. Even if the seeds that I bought were flax and I bought flax seeds. Now, flax seeds now is all the way. That's all the craze. Yeah, I put flax seeds right. They eat them now. In those days, the majority of flax seeds were for planting, but they were edible. They're still edible now. People eat them. Right. And therefore, when he bought the flax seeds, even though Hava Mina is now, he's buying seeds. I would think. What's he buying them for? The plant. Right. Those days. Right. I'm glinnin. Maybe he's going to eat them. Maybe he's going to eat them. That's what you think. You would think so. Right. So, I'm not responsible if they didn't grow. Okay. I have to see why. (speaks in foreign language) He says. Okay. Your example, Tanakama, was seeds that people eat. What if they're seeds that people don't eat? The guy bought seeds that are not edible seeds. People only buy those for planting. Right. Those. (speaks in foreign language) Now you're responsible for those. If they don't grow, you're responsible. I'm not a gardener, but so how do you know, how would you even know if the seeds are going to grow enough? You don't know until you plant them. You don't know until you plant them. You don't know until you plant them. Yeah. So, it's a 30 day money back guarantee. That's basically what it is. That's what it is. You don't know until you plant them. You don't know. You don't know. Yeah. Okay. It's not this guy's fault, but we're just saying with that, how do you time it's? That's it. Okay. You sold it, you have a warranty. Now, all this is because he didn't specify. He walks into the store and says, "I want apple seeds." Right. All right. So, I'm buying your apple because I want the seeds and you sell them the apple knowing it wants the seeds and it doesn't grow. That's what he asked before. He asked you. Right. The cure here was that it was stopped. He didn't say what he wanted it for. It could be eating. It could be planting. And therefore, I can claim, I don't know. You wanted to eat. What do I have for me? The only time I can't make that claim is when I know absolute certainty that they're for planting. How is that? They see that people don't eat unedible seeds. Right. So, I don't know what I have for planting. I don't know what I have for planting. I don't know what I have for planting. Right. So, that says that you're responsible if it doesn't grow. Okay. Okay. That's the Mishnah. It's mine. You sold your friend in ox. And you know what? This ox loves the glory. Okay. Okay. Remember this one? Yes. Okay. That says, what do you mean? The attention is of people, says love, especially in those days. Yeah. The ox are not for eating. Ox is your tractor. Right. Okay. And you don't eat your tractor. You bought this ox to plow. And Shmo says, oh no, no. It could be that you bought the ox to eat. And if what I have says, be careful. You bought a tractor that gores people. But, be careful. Because you need to keep it alive. You need to plow it. And Shmo says, no, no. It could be that you bought it to eat. I don't know. Okay. It says, what do you have for the ox? What do you have for the ox? What do you have for the ox? What do you have for the ox? What do you have for the ox? What do you have for the ox? What do you have for the ox? What do you have for the ox? What do you have for the ox? What do you have for the ox? What do you have for the ox? What do you have for the ox? What do you have for the ox? If he's not a cow meat guy, he only eats sheep and goats and ducks or whatever he eats. Right? And this cow that he has is for his plowing. Then he bought it for plowing. Why are you just making a blanket statement? It says, to Shmo say that the guy is part of it no matter what. Because maybe he's an eating guy. What if he's not an eating guy? We had a whole thing on this thing. So, Ross says, be careful. The guy buys, this guy could go either way. He eats meat and he also has a cow farm. Okay. Well, let's look at the value. What do you pay? Say you pay the price of eating meat, price 12,000 pounds or whatever it is nowadays. 20 depends on the kind of cut of meat. $30,000, $32 a pound on some of the crazier meat scuts. Right? And if you talk about lamb, $50, $60 a pound on the lamb, right? What do you call the rack of lamb? Yeah. Crazy prices? Oh, okay. If he paid the price for the meat, the meat. If he paid the price of plowing, he plowing. What do you pay? Well, this is after. Shmuel's thing has to happen before the mawad are exchanged. Oh, good. Ross says, "Lotsuchad, I cut business now." You have the transaction is over. You want to hear the mass thing retroactively try to figure out what happened. Right? And so he says, and therefore, let's see what he paid. Right. Did he pay the price of meat per pound to eat or did he pay the price of live animal per pound to plow? What did he pay? Right. Ross says, no, you don't happen. Lotsuchad, I cut business now to come with meradya. So, it must be that usually in general, the meat price is less than the plowing price. Which makes sense, because one is consumed and it's gone. The other one, you're going to keep around for a while, so it's worth more money. So, the meat price went crazy. And now it's equal to the price of plowing. So, we can't. We can't tell based on the price of what he paid, because they were the same. And Ross says, okay. Iacchi, le minath kamina. So, if the price of the plowing is the same, as the price of the meat, so what's the redoosh of Rav, when he says that it's mek haute and return it. Return what? It's the same price. Return what? I want to exchange this one. So, he says, no. I'm going to have to come here, le tinha. Because what? The problem is now, this short is an agran. And it needs to be slaughtered. Right? Now, you're right, I'm going to get all my money back, because selling the meat is going to be the same price as it was to plow the animal plowing. But who's got to deal with it? Right. And the customer, slaughter it, bring the shohari, sell the meat, collect the money, te tinha. I didn't deal with that. I don't want to deal with it. I feel he was saying the other way. No. He's saying he wanted to buy now a short that was for Hari Shah. He does. I understand, but now he has a short that's Hari Shah that's in Nogaya. And he's not got. And now I got to sit and watch over him. So, now I don't want to keep it. I don't want to keep it. I got to get rid of it. Oh, it's of course me damages. I got to slaughter it. That's what I'm saying. So, even the guy who wants to plow is the slaughter of this ox. Whose responsibility is it now to slaughter this ox and sell to bring the money back? The money's the same as plowing. So, can I return it to the seller and tell him, hey, your problem, you sell to give me that money. Give me one that's not Nogaya. Or no. You, Mr. Beyer, tough luck slaughter it. You have a little bit of headache till you get your money back. When you get to money, you go buy plowing ox. That's what they argue about. Now it says, the seller is responsible to make a toot, give it back to him. Let him slaughter it and sell it. And she wants to sell it. You sell it. Okay. How do you get anybody buying your cow? A business man, an expensive cow. That should be an adjective before the word cow. Is it a David cow? Is it a meat cow to eat? Right. So, maybe now I hear, it's like back in those days, I don't think it was so particular about the types of, but you're right. Nowadays, we have certain breeds that are made for dairy, for milking. Some of them are made for eating, some of them are made for plowing, some of them are made for plowing. I don't think that's what you have to do. It's a very small town and villages and this and that. They probably don't have multiple species of the cow in the town. I don't know. A lot of that. They're farmers, but anyway, okay. It's a good question. Don't be sorry. I don't know. Let's say now, you're right. It's a good question. And now, you have to go back to the seller and get your money back, right? That's what you said, right? Now, if the seller doesn't have money to give you, so what are you going to do? You're going to keep the ask for the value of the money. He owes you money, right? It's right. It's his ask. He has to give you back the money. But don't have any money. So why don't I get paid? The ask. So the attorney is not going to help me. What are you going to do? I got it back. He says, why? How do we know that you should keep the ask? This is the amare into. The amare into. And if that's the only place you collect, so what do you want to bother going to his house to get a refund from? You don't have the money. He says, no, no. You have to say that the seller has the money. He has cash. And now, Rob says, why? The case is, you bought an axe and you bought the axe turned out to be a going axe. And there's no way for us to know based on the price you paid if you're intended to buy the axe to go to eat or to plow. We don't know. The price was equal. And the case also is that the seller does have the money to refund me. And there's a makhlokie between Ravi and Shmool. What are you really arguing about over here? He says, Rob, right? Rob's the Swarav is, you know why the Torah is by the seller? Because majority of people who buy axe buy the plow. And the seller knew. Does that depend on what area they are, could be in it? We have to say, those days, everybody's, they're agricultural society. They're living on agriculture. But it's not something that's buy. The majority, he says the majority of people buy axe in those days. They don't eat axe. They're too valuable. They eat cheap. They eat goats. They don't eat axe. So the axe that was sold was sold for plowing. Majority of people buy it. Now, they're awesome. Very wealthy people that don't eat an axe. But they're the minority. So Rob says, majority of people buy axe to plow. So you knew, Mr. Seller, that this guy is most likely buying at the plow. And you sold him a goring axe. You write the values the same. The responsibility of getting rid of this axe is you. Return it to the seller. Let him sell it. Give the guy his money. Whatever you want. That's, oh, given the money now, you'll get your money back by selling the axe. That's Rob. Shmool says, well, Rob, when we follow Rob, that's by a sort of a hit tip. You have a majority of, from the Torah, a sort of a hit tip is about tail bit off. The rabbi's ended on, he's sold him for 60, once he's shim. But, minute Torah, about tail bit off. Two pieces of uncoachimied. Of course you mean a one piece of kosher meat. Other way around. 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And you can eat them all three of them. And you can eat them all three of them. And you can eat them all three of them all three of them. And you can eat them all three of them. And you can eat them all three of them. And you can eat them all three of them all three of them. You can eat them all three of them all three of them. And you can eat them all three of them all three of them. And you can eat them all three of them all three of them. And you can eat them all three of them. How do I know you're not one of them? Tough luck on you. You sell the accent deal with it. Right. That's it. That's the Mahloket. That was the deal. Now, Ravich Woh, the halakhazak shmoh. We followed it by the robe, by Yisuba, not by my mom. OK, metive, we're going to challenge this Ravich Woh. We're going to go back at me. This is the Sugya, but we're in the middle learning it. But here we go. Haishah, Shinith al-minah, onid-garishah. A woman who got divorced-- oh, sorry. He was al-manah. She was a widowed or divorced. Good. Vih-omere, she says, bitulah nissiti. Vih-omere lo-ki-ella al-manah nissatiir. Now, who-- OK, that's exactly how he's dead, but OK. Now, it has to be in the case where she's in al-manah. It's the kid's claiming, right? And the case where it's divorced, it's the husband claiming. The who, depending on who it is, right? So this is what happened. Woman gets married, good. And then either widowed or divorced. OK. And now that's when the tuba kicks in, right? Kick to our payment is going to kick in at the time that the marriage is going to end. So if it ends, on death. So the yoshim obligated to pay up tuba. And the yoshim come and say, oh, yeah. Dad married you when you were a bit ulah. You were not a virgin. And therefore, you're tuba is only 100, as opposed to a bitulah, which would be 200. So either one. But he says it's not non-virgin. So it was your al-manah, right? So-- OK. So that's the case of the nitt al-minah. And it's Garishah-- she's getting divorced. She got paid the two, aren't you? Come eat the collect. She got me the collect. Come eat the collect. I always said, oh, Dad, say you weren't a virgin. Before you married him when you were a virgin. Yeah, that's correct. So you only get 100. Correct. You were not a bitulah when you got married. And the case was the divorce. And the case is the divorce. It's the husband himself making the claim. He's divorcing his wife. And he's saying, when I married you, you weren't a bitulah. You were previously married, or whatever happened. You were widowed, or whatever, OK? You could write a larger imagine. You could write it. You could write a larger imagine. All that is nothing you could do. You could-- that's correct, OK? Al-Ktubas all have the 100/200 pulled out separately from what you're going to add. Because that's the basic question. So the 100/200 is always listed separately. And then it says, add it on top, plus, plus, plus, whatever. So we know if she was a bitulah, or not, whatever it was. If she was previously married, there's a special language you have to put in there, whatever it is. But so right now, what happens over here is there's a claim. It's a monetary claim. The wife is claiming I was a bitulah. The husband/ inheritors are claiming she was not a bitulah. Good? So here we go. [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] If there are witnesses that saw her in her veil at the wedding, and her hair was down uncovered, she gets 200. She was a bitulah, OK? [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Why are we giving her 200? Because she had witnesses. Ha, leka, edim, lo. Without edim, we would not give her 200. We'd only give her 100. [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Why would we only give her 100 of? [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Aren't the majority of weddings, women who are virgins, when they're young and they get married, for sure, majority of the weddings are women that have not-- that would get 200 in Nick Tuba. And the only reason we're giving her Tuba is because she has edim for 200. And we're not following the Rov challenge to Rov. [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] He says, no, no, no, not so fast. This is not a good proof. Why? He says like this. You're right, the majority of women get married as bitulah. A minority of women get married when they're not bitulah. They're al-manah and it got a shot, whatever it happened. But this girl is coming before us and does not have a call, a voice or a rumor or any witnesses or anything that she had Hinuma or Roshaparua. Now, if she was really a virgin at the time, she would be able to present something or people would remember, well, I went and I saw it. The white guy on the veil, the fact that she doesn't have that weakens her Rov. You're right, she could have been from the Rov. But she has grounds to believe that she's not from the Rov. And therefore, we only give it to her if she's edim. That's his answer back. OK? [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] If she did, she would have some kind of-- OK. [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Still needs edim versus the Rov. So that's the problem. The only reason we give it to her-- Second question, she doesn't stand up. So right now, it does right now. It comes reincarnated. Time out. My sister's like this. [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] You just gave me a premise, right? In your answer, you said, no, no. Every girl who gets married, right? That was a bitulah. There should be rumors. There should be pictures. There should be something that tells me what happened, right? [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Then what? [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] What do I care about the edim? [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Well, she's coming here to collect that to Bob. Brings me to edim that she wore a veil. But there's nobody in town knows that she wore a veil at the time of wedding. Something's fishing. You just told me before, every girl that gets married has a bitulah. People know there's a voice. There's a call. And we don't have a call for this girl. How about she's bringing to edim? They say edim Elias. They're liars. So that's suspicious. Every girl you told me, every girl that gets married, people know that she's a bitulah. And therefore, why are you even accepting these edim? They're liars. She has no proof. [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Ella, you're right. I have to restate my answer. And how do I state it? [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Majority of women who got married while they were a bitulah would have a call. People would know that they would be too liars, because she wore the-- he had a veil. She was down. Whatever it was, they would know. That's majority of women. Visor, you have an inlock call. She doesn't have this call. [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] She's not-- we can't automatically assume these other days. She's not part of the majority. So that's what happens like this. What creates the majority is Nicole. Why are we assuming that the Reuben? That's false. No, we're not assuming any more they're false, because originally they assumed they were false, because you told me every girl that gets married would have a call. And she doesn't have a call, but she has witnesses. Nobody knows, and these two witnesses don't say a lie. So she says, no, no, no, no, no, a restate. Not every girl who gets married has a call. Majority of girls who get married have a call. And therefore, this girl doesn't have a call. So she needs witnesses. But if she had a call, she would say, she's from the majority. And we would pay her even with her own challenge. What creates the majority is the call. That's correct. Once you move the call, then she needs a demon. Otherwise, she's out. That's it. So it's not challenging. She says, she's not part of the call, because she's not part of the role, because she doesn't have the call. That's what I've instanced back. You don't have to even do the go. No, that's correct. I saw her walking down the street with her veil on, and they don't have to know her. They don't have to know her. No, no, no. It would be better to have someone who does know the go. Could be better. Well, that depends on-- I don't know if the veil's in. The veil's in those days might have been opaque. I don't know, you know? Who knows? If you could actually see the face of the girl. I don't know there. Maybe after the wedding, I don't know, I don't know. OK, fine. So you know, today, even nowadays some of the [INAUDIBLE] their veils are opaque. That's why they do the bedeckin. My bedeckin. Make sure she's the right girl. I can't see what-- who's under that? Who's under that? I'm not going to be like, oh, man, I don't know what's going on. So they will be the car. We've got to go check, make sure they'll catch me over here. OK, fine, OK, fine. So anyway, I have to flex the challenge over here, right? Good. Good. Tash him out. Try again, OK? [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] You're selling your friend, your slave. [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Comes out that the ever is a thief or is a gambler. Says the [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Tough luck. [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] If it comes out that he's a murderer, [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] On-bend it, OK? [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Or he has a death sentence hanging over his head for the king. [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] I can return the [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] back to the seller. Says thank you very much. I'll see you later. Give me back my money. What's the logic of the hang of you up? So we're going to see right now. It says, [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] What's the reason why the [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] You sold the ganab. You sold the ganab. You sold the gambler. And we say, [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] What's the reason? [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Isn't it because the majority of avadim are thieves, the majority of avadim are gamblers. Isn't that the reason why, meaning the guy send it off? So this is a challenge to [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] We're going to have to throw it over here, right? Why? Oh, it's my mind. What's my mind? It's a challenge, but it's not. It's more. You said after the majority, we don't follow the majority of my mind. Why can't he go say, [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] No, no, right? Is Evadim canani. Doesn't say. Yeah, it's probably Evadim canani. Because I don't think you're allowed to sell Evadim free. You're allowed to buy him from himself. But once you own him, you can't sell him. He stays by you until he gets free. Yeah. There's Evadim canani. Because you don't own the Evadim free. You own his work product. I don't think you're allowed to sell him, if I remember correctly. Anyway, he says, [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Let me shoot [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] The majority of Evadim are going to be in. Isn't that the reason why? [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] Cool, [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] No. All Evadim are going to be in. And all Evadim are going to be able to say, therefore, there's no row of-- it's not a challenge this small. There's no row over here. It's a 100% certainty that this Evad is a going to have. That's what he says. And therefore, it's not a challenge to me. I said that we don't follow a row. If it was only a row, we wouldn't follow a row. But we would say, go return the Evad. But it's not a row. It's a 100% absolute ironclad guarantee that this guy is a thief. And therefore, no challenge. Time? OK. Stop here. You want to keep going? Good stop here. Stop here. [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] I mean, I told you to show a guy. Yeah. Stop here, because tomorrow, whoever comes,