BiKitzur Shulchan Aruch
Ep. 894. When Is One Allowed to Answer 'Amen' to Someone Else's Bracha Even Though You Are Making the Same Bracha?
When Is One Allowed to Answer 'Amen' to Someone Else's Bracha Even Though You Are Making the Same Bracha?
okay everybody's here number 894 getting back to our hookers brojos okay I just want to backtrack a little we started okay like this we started the sim and race test vov which talks about answering our main again we we left out some bits and pieces rich has here and there we have to go back to certain things but I just want to get into this a little bit rich test vov talks about the the halochas of answering our main which come up constantly right and it has when that when that talk about now we spoke about the wall back in reference to the two of the dying when to answer our main when when you could be an officer but now this race test vov just talks about the simple the halochas of our main itself and it's important to know because if a person just say you could have something called on the assignment there's various different types of domains that could be problematic if not said at the right time okay but be it as it may so we spoke about last time the the if somebody says a main to their own brojos and then what about if you you you finish let's say for example you finish together with the kazin and these do you still say a main you finish the same brojos will possibly a different brojos when it's in shul but so on okay so we're just backtracking a minute and interesting is soied in reference to saying a main after your own brojos now we know we said last time you don't do that right I make a shaqal on my on my soda I don't answer a main after my own brojos it's not supposed to be done okay but now but now the question is there are certain times that we do end off with a main and I just want to read from the makhab it so it's a little bit of makhalik is the makhab or amor in siman race says vava as they open up these the siman in in a man al-qaba like we said just reading from the makhaba you don't say amen after your brojos a shte brojos a yuzu shim saif brojos okay so what does that mean exactly and when when is that when is that so according to the makhab we're going to see a minute through our mohals like not like that according to the chamis say if the shtaba a main on your own brojos with on that on your own brojos also after hallelujahd from from hallelujah and also and and also shait sarah mosh there's also shait my way through a low add also a main those who say it those who say it so the so the question is it's also comes along the ramor comes along the ramor and says good if I say if I say you shtaba i'm davinic suka de zimra say you shtaba ah right so I should say a main after I finish your shtaba ah right if I hear somebody else say a main okay so I answer if it's by itself but I'm I only sabachitz is I should say a main and what about when I finish in marif a shaman where you throw a lot I should say a mane no sarah mo says no that's not the minute we don't do that viei hai yurim says rama shin un un un un main rak ah haa bhir haa s bhoyne yurish laim we only say a main after in general the minig is to say a main only after bhoyne yurish laim we say bhoyne yurish laim un main in benching in benching okay and we will just go through again what the reason was for that we saw the bhir haa sama s bhir haa sama s bhir haa minig pashik bhir hai bhir haa minig that's how many that's how many even though the mraba says to say at the end of of you shtaba at the end of haa lil and at the end of chamomays to alawad but we don't do that we just say that the end of bhoyne yurish laim ah so now it's just explaining going to the michiburam in a what what is this all about why only those certain places why right why the another is a mraba said there's a minute to say a main after certain brochus why only a shtaba haa and and how lil and and shtaba mays rallawad what is that after do with anything hainu acha says michibur mrif cotton base hainu acha bhir hacha mamays rallawad and and also by by by kabbal ashab is when we say at the perry suka shalom okay so on chugamar bhir haa s kryishma that's the end of bhir haa s kryishma acha bhir haa s bhoyne yurish laim why we say it after bhir haa s bhoyne yurish laim because that's the end of also chugamar shalish brochus we're showing as shame in a terror it's also it's ending off a subject it's ending off a a a lump sum of brochus in other words by shtaba mays rallawad you're finishing off brochus kryishma right so we say a main again it's not our meaning but according to the mraba by by by benching we do say a main after bhoyne richlam why because we spoke about last time because it finishes off the first three brochus a benching which are minatura and we want to show a distinction now we're moving on to the brochus which are there are bonon haa tai vermativans rallawi acha brochus we're showing as to how is the chugwis well the other brochus we don't say a main on our own brochus those who those who have the meaning in other words nobody has a meaning to say a main on other brochus it's only on those few brochus that we said chag shame stay brochus even though you might have two brochus together halei a number say for indian and it has to be says mishebir a end of a uh end of an inian okay but main laishaya ala bhikmar is the cilaku indian to say a main on on somebody's own brochus if there's such a meaning when there's such a meaning worst case scenario will be only if you're finishing off a subject okay now but like we saw the meaning at least of dash Ganesum is is that that we don't say we we only finish it off by bhoyne richlam that's when we all that's when we do say a main and we spoke about those halachas how to work with that a main but the other ones we don't do okay now but the question is the question is interesting that the question comes up done now we said another thing if let's say I finish the if I finish a brocha let's say I finish a brocha in davening for whatever reason right I finish let's say I'm saying brochus a chagha give me an example and I finish a brochus laisani goi let's say right and the chazan also says saying brochus laisani goi I'm just giving an example that's not you try and do it separate times but well let's say bhoyu chayama or be a good example also by bhoyu chayama because we don't have so by bhoyu chayama I'm finishing and I finish bhoyu chayama and the chazan also finishes bhoyu chayama at the same time so then if with if it happens at the same time we don't say a main right we spoke about we don't say me because it looks like that I'm answering to my own brocha on me but if the chazan finishes a different brocha and I'm finishing let's say I'm finishing bhoyu chayama right I'm finished the broch of bhoyu chayama and the chazan is finishing your stabach something like that with some other brocha right so then I could answer your main to his brocha right because I'm that it doesn't look like I'm answering a main to my broch it's only way about a chazan is finishing off the same brocha as me bhoyu tells us a michibra interesting point I forgot the aim in sifkoten game ok I forgot the aim okay so now he says he explains about a little bit complicated from michibra I just want to read it from the dear shoe and it's three he says in time yachad hachazan the brochas let's say for example how well or is stabach okay or by shalom aistre all the way by the makhab has said that we we say amen after our own brocha which is not again it's not our meaning but it's a makhal like it's not our not our meaning said the wrong or but but he says aint not so we don't say amen after those brochas we only say by by name shalom but nevertheless we call And he says, which is bringing down from Simeon al-Aqsaib, because if I finish together with the Khazim, if I finish together with the Khazim, if I finish together with the Khazim, if I finish together with the Khazim, if I finish together with the Khazim. So in other words, if I finish together, Yishtabaq, together with the Khazim, or if I finish together Hallelujah, or if I'm finishing together, I'm trying my way through Allah, together with the Khazim, even though I don't answer, I'm in, if we finish the same Brukhah together, me and the Khazim, in those three cases I would, because even though I don't answer, I'm in afterwards on my own Brukhah, but I'm answering to the Khazim, so there would be, and since the Muhammad says anyways to say, I'm in over there, even though I'm in it, but so therefore, it does not look like that I'm answering, I'm in it. I'm in it to my own Brukhah. Okay, so I just want to end off with the Uta'Allahq, that's how he brings it down, and how it's through which it says, "Love, ice, base," clearing it up very simple, "Afanehageim," he says, again, ice, base, "Afanehageim, qedasramah," even though our meaning is like to a martial law, "Anehse, umen, aqah, birkah, satsmam," that we do not answer, "Amen" after our own Brukhah, "Aqah, rakah, aqah, banyush, laim," only one by bench, "banyush, laim," become maqah, and nevertheless, as Uta'Allahq, it's imusayim, Yishtabaq, if somebody finishes Yishtabaq. Oh, yeah, look at which, in other words, Hallelujah, "Aqah, maqah, yishtabaq, imhavehra," they finish it together, either with the Khazin, or they're finishing it together with their friend, right? I'm finishing the Brukhah, I'm finishing Yishtabaq, and I hear my friends say it, finishing it also, right? So I want to say a name after his Brukhah, but it's the same Brukhah as mine. We say, "You're not supposed to do that," right? But in those three cases, again, Yishtabaq, Hallelujah, and Jama'i, Shama'i, Shama'i, Shra'Allah, wa-ibhaymah, is Mutulah, and I say, "Amen, Al-Birah, Shra'Allah," you can answer, "Amen, Al-Birah, Shra'Allah," even though you're finishing at the same time, it looks like that you're finishing it together, but since it's a makhalik, it's an imaqam, it says, "Anyways, there's a Amen," so therefore, it would not be a problem in that case, but he finishes off, and see him, "A's a Brukhah," but if you finish together with your friend, it's not a problem. together with your friend. The different Brahma, Varyseem, Akha, Brahma, Akhas, Brahma, Saharas, right? You make one Brahma and the Brahma, your friend finishes the different Brahma, it's Mutar, Lana, it's Akhara, of Amim, Bhakolani, then it's Akhara. I finish one Brahma, I finish Istaba, I finish Istaba, I finish Istaba, I finish Istaba, Varyseem, Istaba, Varyseem, Istaba, Varyseem, Bhakhas, Akhara, my friend is finishing Brahma, let's say. So then I could answer, Amim, that's no problem, it's two different Brahma, Mutal, Lana, it's Amim, Akhara, of Amim, Bhakolani, even though I just finish the Brahma, Vrystaba, I'm answering Amim, but it's going on his Brahma and not on mine, so that will be fine.