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And Cap, as we came in this morning, we got breaking news from Tim McMahon and Malik Andrews on ESPN.com. And at the Chicago Bulls as well, that former MVP, Chicago's own Derek Rose is retiring from the NBA after a 16 year career, Poo has hung it up. He is no longer in the NBA. Look, he was a hell of a player, Johnny, a hell of a player. He had his ups, he had his downs, he had his injuries, played in a multitude of cities, resurrected his career with TIBs, but not here in Chicago. He'll always be remembered as ours. And we'll always think about what could have been had he not made that jump stop in the lane against the Sixers in the 2012 playoffs. And the next thing you know, he's riding on the ground and blown ACL and that pretty much summed up his Bulls career at the end. - Here's what's interesting about this. You and I had lunch at Chicago Cut. And the last conversation we had before we left the table is, hey, we saw across our phones that he was cut by Memphis. And I said to you, if you recall, Cap, I said, Cap, what if Derek Rose finishes a career in Chicago? And my partner said, ah, no shot, 35 at the end. I said, if any team needs good PR, a team that's not going away anytime soon is Chicago Bulls, it's that last roster spot, Cap, a solid veteran in the room with young players. And I said to you, what if, right? - It's not, I mean, he wouldn't cost a ton. He'd just be that old head in the room that could just bring the team together. And now he's gone. - Yeah. - Two days later. - You recall that conversation, right? - Yeah, two days ago, we had dinner with our buddy, John Shriffon. We went to lunch, I mean. And Pooh's name came up and you said, be a mentor. I'm like, no shot, body's done, he's done, no way. And then here we are, I'm driving in, it flashes up on my phone breaking news. Derek Rose retiring from the NBA. - That's it, man. So what I'll remember is you think about all the great Chicago-born athletes. And, but very few of them, Cap, that we could say, hey, not only were you from here, but you played here. Think about it. - Correct. - Who's from here? Donna McNabb was from here. - Yep. - Carmel played Syracuse, was an eagle. But he was not a Chicago bear. - Michael Finley? - Michael Finley, Maywood, but not a Chicago bull, as much as Krause would have liked him. Not a Chicago bull. Dwayne Wade was here for a cup of coffee, from Robbins. - Correct. - But really known as a Miami Heat. But, I mean, because his dad owned Mu and Oink, and he was in and out of the city. I mean, he was a Chicago guy, Dwayne Wade. He was. - Is dad owned Mu and Oink? I didn't know that. - I'm just here for you, pal. - Is that place still around, by the way? - It's not. - It's all over the wrestling coverage. - Yeah. - So, yeah. So, Ricky Henderson, from Chicago, and A, and other places where he was, but never played for the Cubs or White Sox. - Correct. - So, what I'm saying is, is that, we covered Derek Rose because not only did he play at Simeon, but also, Cap, from the city, and was the number one pick and played with Chicago Bulls. You recall the feeling when Derek Rose was drafted, like, oh my God, a guy that's from here, that's being drafted by the Chicago Bulls, and he was so exciting. You think about quick guards that we see across the league now, Cap. Now think about Derek Rose in his prime, earliest from the foul line down, no one was faster and craftier to get to the basket, like Derek Rose. It wasn't about clutch shots for me, it was about his explosiveness to the basket. It was incredible. His, I still, my favorite highlight, yeah, he had the cool one against the Cavs in the Eastern Conference final when he hit the game winner, game one. Cool. My favorite one is him go, I want to go higher, and then the next one he dunked over Droggetch. What are you doing, Droggetch? - Yes. - Yeah. Jay Moore's got to find that one. - Let's hear, we got a number of highlights here. So, when we look at some of the great Chicago-born athletes, Cap. Where does Derek Rose fit? I know that the injury cut him short. - It does. - I know it does. And he really wasn't the same player. There was flashes here and there with, you know, Detroit here, Nix there. And of course, it's Tom Thibodeau, so he trusted Derek Rose. Like, you know, one thing about Tom, especially when he first took over the Nix, he got players that he could trust that he remembers. - All right, Derek. All right, let's bring him in. Taj Gibson. All right, come on in. Guys, he knew that he could trust. And he gave Derek a nice runway there for three years toward the end of his career. And then he went to Memphis. So, I think that's pretty solid. - I'm trying to think, I mean, Eddie Olcek, but he played here, born in Chicago. - Edzo. - Yep. - Who was the greatest to ever come out of Chicago? Dick Buckas. - Anthony Davis. Dick Buckas. - Anthony Davis. - Is he a good player? - What are you talking about? - Well, I'd say he's the greatest, but I gave you a name. - Let's not go back to the lunch that we had when we're going through the top 50 high school players from the city and he didn't make 50. He didn't make 75. Do we? Perspectives. Cap. We've seen them all. I know you've seen them all. I've seen a number of them. Cap. - It doesn't even scratch the surface. Anthony Davis. Street clothes? No shot. - Kirby Puckett. - Isaiah Thomas. - But he was a twin though. That's a problem. - Isaiah. - Is he the best? - He was great, man. - Isaiah Thomas was great. That is a question. There's no question about that. But, he was a piston. - He was a piston. - Yes. - No question. - I think it's very rare to find the Chicago born athlete that played for the city. And I threw out the car Derek Rose and then I threw out the car Dick Buckas. It's hard to beat Buckas. That's all the family. - I'll beat him both. - Who? - Chris Chellios. - Better than Buckas. That's tough. - Oh boy. - Chris Chellios is, at this moment, the greatest US born hockey player ever. Patrick Kane's gonna rival him when he's done. He's lapped him. Patrick Kane. - Yeah. - Chris Chellios was amazing. - The rings, Cap. That matters today now. How many rings do you have in the box? How many does Chellios have? - Three. - Okay. - But Kane. - Three. They're tied. - Better. You don't think so? - It's close. I've always said, I think when he retires, Patrick will go down as the greatest American born hockey player. - Yeah. - He wasn't born here, of course. - You threw one at me today. Shannon Sharp, pouring in Chicago. Had no idea. - I had no idea that. - Me. - He was actually from here, yeah. - CM Punk. - Well, that's Chicago's champion right there, buddy. CM Punk. - How about George Hallis? Where's he ranked? - I mean, he has his own Mount Rushmore by himself. - He was a Yankee. - Yes, he was a Yankee, yes. But Derek Rose has to be in that team photo. We don't do Mount Rushmore on the show necessarily, but what we're saying is that, think about Derek Rose. And again, we understand that he got cut short and that playoff game gets Philadelphia. We understand that. But the point is though, Cap, is that that guy was MVP, a young MVP. How great it was Derek Rose at that particular time. Now, again, this is under Tom Thibodeau. And so there was a ceiling on the success of the Bulls because LeBron James is on the other side of the conversation. That he was the guy that was gonna hold it all down. - No question. - That's the thing that was so difficult. It wasn't mean, but that has takes nothing away from Derek Rose in his heart. And how he was the heart and soul of the team. And he was Chicago cool, man. - He was Chicago cool. I mean, that he was the embodiment of Chicago. - He was our guy. - Yes. - And now he's retired. - Hard to believe it breaks this morning that Derek has taken out newspaper ads and said, "Thank you to all the fan bases that he had." - Yeah, so a full-page ad. How much does that cost? Chicago, New York, Cleveland, Minneapolis, Detroit, and Memphis commercial appeal. So like all the pay places he went, he had a full-page ad for each city. That's pretty cool. - Yeah, it's not in the sun times, so it must be. - Not yet. - No. - Late paper, but not that late. - No. (laughing) - So who's the most famous person in sports? Born in Chicago. - Interesting. - Erased. - Interestingly enough, you don't have it in your sun times, but it's in my Chicago defender this morning. So I got that. I'll always save that one. I'm sorry? - What? (laughing) - Online. - No, no, no, no, I hear the hard copies right here in the bag. Coach K? - What? - A sports person born in Chicago, or raised here. - That's fine, Cap. - He's the winningest coach in the history of men's college basketball. - He left it behind. - He did? - He is more, as you well know, more of a North Carolina guy than a Chicago guy. That's, I mean, he's not saying he didn't come back here from time to time, but seriously. You would think, right? - Right. - But he's just, K's fine, but I think he's a North Carolina. - Okay. I mean, wow. - I'm going through all the names here. - Glad you brought up CM Punk though, that was cool. - Yeah. (laughing) - I like him a lot. I think he's a good dude, man. I mean, as I go through all the names, you mentioned Dick Butkus. - I mean, it's hard to beat that Butkus card, I would say. I mean, he's still revered, Cap. He's still revered. - He is. - Even in passing, people still, you think about the Chicago Bears, you think about the ferocious defensive, Dick Butkus was the face of it. - I'll put Chellios, Butkus. - There's our guy, Edzo. - And Derek. - Dorothy Hamill. - All right. - He's done, folks. - 312-332-ESP-A-3323-77, six-hour phone number. You threw out a card which meant that last card means it's going to be a new hand. All right, new game. - New game, there we go. - New game. - Okay. - Shuffle him up. - He just threw out the last card, Jayboard, that's it. So you threw out Dorothy Hamill, so that's all. I think that we've got our Mount Rushmore if we had to. I think that's what we've done. So we'd like for you, if you are on hold, you will be on the air. But also, Jack, let's open the phone lines. 312-332-ESP-N-332-3776, our phone number. Derek Rose is retired from the NBA after a 16-year career. So I have to ask you, where do you place Derek Rose amongst the best Chicago-born athletes? I mean, again, we've named I think a four, but I have a couple from Twitch. - You got Candace Parker, Simeon Rice, Kendall Gill, Antoine Walker. - All good players. - Out of those four, Candace Parker played for Chicago. - Yep. - Brought a Chicago Sky championship ring here, which is awesome, by the way. Love that she came back here to bless us with her Hall of Fame presence, give us a championship, and then left, and then retired. - Kendall played it. Well, no, I've never played for the Bulls. I don't believe that he-- - He did not, though. - He did not. - Yeah. - As much as I think he would have loved to, the South Suburban Great Kendall Gill is on that list as well. - Good dude as well. - Yes, absolutely, great, great guy. So we just want to find out where, you know, Derek Rose and his story, especially you guys on the South Side, like he grew up capped 20 minutes from me. Derek Rose went to Simeon. You thought that the days of great high school basketball was done with Simeon and King in your era, you know, in the '80s, into the '90s cap, but then you go to a game with Derek Rose in it, and you recall, you know this like I know it, Derek Rose, the kind of player that he didn't have to score to control the game. There was a game in which he did not score, but contributed so much in a game that helped Simeon win. And you do remember his time with Calapari at Memphis as well. - Oh yeah, yeah. - And I was at the state tournament game when he scored, I want to say two points, and dominated the game, they won. Simeon. Dominated. It's crazy. - So that's the kind of player that he was. So he's retired and we're giving you your thoughts, three, one, two, three, two, three, seven, seven, six-hour phone number, salute to that man, because it's amazing that Cap and I were just talking about him a couple of days ago. And, you know, Jack puts on the sheet that he liked a one-day contract. That very well could be. If Jerry Reinsorff has anything to say about it, yeah, that would not surprise me. The Bulls need as much good PR as possible. So that would not surprise me. But I thought he had like a little bit more on the tank, but he says he wants to spend more time with his family. Of course, he was looking forward to spending more time with his family when he played, for to make sure he's healthy enough to take his kid to school, as you recall. - Correct. - Business meetings. - PTA. - You do call this, right? He was emitting, it's this open quote. - I do. - He had a thought of the future while he was still playing in the league, trying to make sure that he's up, but the health, that's part of the story too, Cap, his health and the mental hurdles. That was the first time we heard that phrase. And once I get through the mental hurdles through my rehab, I can play. - But I recall, you remember this. - I do, okay. - 100%, but I would also tell you this. Derek, and I was critical of him and I walked up to him and apologized to him at the United Street and he got off the, who sound like a little mini trampoline doing his core work and he got up and hugged me. I said, dude, you were the first guy to talk about load management. And we blasted you, me leading the charge. You were right. And now it's commonplace. He was the first. - Yeah. - 'Cause he knew his body better than we did. So, yeah, he'll always have a warm spot from me for what he did for our city. - All right, more, your phone calls coming up. Your memories of Derek Rose and also, where do you place them amongst the best Chicago born athletes? We just threw out a number of them for you. Is Derek on that list for you? 312-332-3776, our telephone number, Captain J. Hood, weekday morning seven to 10. (upbeat music) With the first kick in the 2008 NBA draft, the Chicago Bulls select Derek Rose from the University of Memphis. - Rose, Rose crosses over the pay-to-waste. - I'm gonna step back and kiss myself. - Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He can't roll. - Stop it, stop it, he's gonna do it like that. - What are you doing? - How do you do it, dragon? - How do you do it? - It starts first. - Oh, my goodness. - Oh, I don't care about that. - Oh, I don't care about that. - Oh, why does he want to smell it? - Ow, I hurt my ankle. - I fell down. - And I can't get out. - Fool's for the chance to win. Here are Christmas Day. Rose left, drums in the lane. Rose, Derek, Rose. - Score for Jack from the field 17 to 30 by one of them. - My role. - He's left in a bunch of times. - Oh! - Inside, Rose, J.D. Solar. - Look it, finds Rose. Rose trying to get open, fires away. Bang! It's over! - Ah, that was going at beat LeBron. Some of the great highlights of Derek Rose in his career. We're talking about it here on The Cap and Jhood Morning Show on a ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. This is not a sad day, Cap. It was a celebration of Derek Rose who was retiring from the NBA after his 16-year career. Look, he came in and just captivated the league, the city. It was insane. And then Tibbs took him to another level and then all of a sudden, number one seed in the east. Oh, no, Cruz by the Sixers. Hold on a second. Derek's down. That was sick. - Toward that ACL in that first round, the 2012 playoff. - You remember who the first person was out there when he was laying on the baseline? Doug Collins. - Yeah, Doug. - He was the coach of the Sixers. - Yeah. - And it was just awful. And then the worst thing was, I never understood why the Bulls did this. Do you remember the next game? There's a Paul over the city, Derek's injured. They have Derek come out with his leg in a brace and threw out the ceremonial first tip. It did not fire the crowd up. Everyone was just somber. - Yeah. - And then he was in the skybox. And who knew that was the beginning of the end of Derek Rose in Chicago? - He averaged 17 points a game. Five assists in 723 games played, including 518 starts. He only played 77 games over the last three seasons, including 24 in Memphis. So again, he finished his career of 17 and five. Again, pretty good, hats off to him. But you just know after he toured an ACL cap, it was just hard for him to ever be the same. - He was at Hall of Faber if he stays healthy. - Yeah, I mean, you think about the youngest MVP in NBA history averaging 25 points a game and seven assists. As I mentioned, what I always think about Derek is just how fast he was to get to the basket. And of course, for someone who coached guards as you did, it was important for being able to have some kind of explosion to the basket. Yeah, you wanted the guy to be able to shoot for a high percentage. But if you get the high percentage shot, going to the rim and cutting through the defense the way he did, it was incredible. - Yeah, the only athlete I ever coached that comes close to that guy was Kenny Battle. And he was the first round pick and a great dude in Love County, but Derek, Derek was the most explosive, dominant athlete I had ever watched play at that size. Like Michael was six, six. - Yep. - And I remember when the Bulls won the lottery. Pax was reorganizing his drawers in his dresser. He didn't even watch the lottery. - Well, yeah, no shot. - Yeah. - And his son came running at dad, we won the lottery. What? - And I talked to Pax like two days later. He's like, yeah, it's pretty much one of two. We've got to figure out Michael Beasley's really dumb. I'm like, dude, it's not even a question. - Yeah, he could have went the cross route and go, he's from Chicago, too much pressure. We're not going to do it. No, you took Derek Rose. - That was the right pick. - Yes. - So they did their homework and Derek, just unfortunately, it just didn't go the way that everyone thought. - All right, let's go the full eyes and talk to you. Phoenix, listening on the SP in Chicago after his ad on Captain Jhood. Ed, good morning. - Good morning. What's up, fellow? - What are we doing there, Ed? - Man, we work and getting this money. - All right. I know you wanted to check in on Derek Rose. What was on your mind? - He doesn't want to give kudos to him. Great career. I'm 42, so I'm old enough. Watch Jordan, remember him vividly. Rose is the closest boy to bring back that feeling. Of course, everybody can be fixated on what is the injuries, but just want to enjoy what we watch. That first playoffs here is because Boston's MVP season. Great career. - No question. - No doubt. Thanks, Ed. Have a good day. Yeah. Hardworking, listening. - Yeah. - His air pod in his ear. Yeah. - Got the saw going. - It does. He's out there grinding, man. When Derek was at his zenith here in Chicago, met people walked around with his jersey on and just pride. That's our guy. Not just, we drafted him. He's from here. - It was super cool. - We go to Justin and Dallas, listening on the ESPN Chicago app. Justin, good morning. - Gentlemen, I hope all is well. How you guys doing? - What's up, Justin? - So to me, this isn't even a debate. Derek Rose is still my favorite player by far. I know he announces retirement, but he's always going to be my favorite player. I think, and I think he deserves to have his jersey retired because he was the next great bull. If you think about it, he was the one he brought the ore to the United Center. Like, the fact that it still fills up, it was because of him and his MVP sees it. So to me, it's not even a debate. I still remember, I was working for Target right down there on Jackson in the West Loop. And when he hit that shot, when he did, you all played the highlight, the bank, the highlight, I was running across the part, I was working the cart, doing carts. I ran across the parking lot. He was looking me like I was crazy, but I was just so happy because everything that he had went through. The MVP's piece, it's timeless, timeless. So, that's just my opinion on it. Solutions Derek Rose, he's always going to be my favorite player. And I appreciate you all taking the call as always. You're the man, buddy, you have a great day. - For a perspective, Cap, you talked about talking to Pax about that draft. Derek Rose, of course, the number one pick going to the Chicago Bulls. And I was concerned because you remember the conjecture about Derek Rose and Michael Beasley. You sure you don't want to big in that spot? Michael Beasley, you sure you don't want that? I mean, he was really solid out of Kansas State. And then the Bulls take Derek Rose. So Rose, Derek Beasley, O.J. Mayo, that also was the Russell Westbrook draft. Kevin Love was in that draft, that's the top five. - So, when he was coming out and he was going to be in the draft, Stacey King and I, I love Stacey. Got it in this big argument on Sports Talk Live or Chicago Tribune Lab, whatever it was called at the time. And he wanted Beasley. Cap, you don't take a guard number one. I'm like, dude, it's not close. They got the tapes. Yeah. - You know what, that's strange. It's 2008. It's not 1984. - Correct. - When Mark Eaton and some of the bigs is like, the Bulls are taking a two guard in the draft. (laughs) That will never work. You're drafting a guard. - Yeah, Michael. - People laughed at Rod Thorne. You recall this, right? - 100%. - You're taking it in the land of trees during that time in the '80s. - Totally, totally right. - You just dump it into the big guy. That's how basketball was. You find the tallest guy possible and just dump it into the lane. That's how it was. So when you took a guard, it was strange. But in '08, that wouldn't have been out of, out of, you know, that was still commonplace. You could still draft guards in 2008, but there was still the bias of the big guy. - Totally different. - Give it to the power forward, Cap. - No, he did just fine. - Oh man, when he was healthy, I mean, it was just ridiculous how good that guy was. - You wanna do a redraft? - Like the pandemic? Wanna do a redraft? If you redraft it. - 2008? - Yeah, you wanna do a redraft? - Sure, let's do it. - The old pandemic conversation, that's what got us through the pandemic sports stuff. So if we were to redraft, is Russell Westbrook won in that draft? And the Derek Rose draft? - So, wait, give me the top 10. We had Rose, no, in no order. Rose, Derek, Beasley, Russell Westbrook, O.J. Mayo, Kevin Love, who else? Dylan Ari, Eric Gordon, Joe Alexander, DJ Augustine, Brock Lopez, Brooke Lopez. - That's the top 10. - Yep. - For a bad draft. (laughing) - It wasn't that draft. - I keep it the way it is. - And that's the one thing. - It was a bad draft. - That people go back years later, go, "Gee, I'm sucked, look at who we drafted." And then you go, "Well, hold on a second now." Go look at the rest of the draft and tell me who was good. 'Cause sometimes there's bad drafts. It just is what it is. - Jay Moore's right, you just leave it. 'Cause Russ would've got tired of the Bulls through the first contract, like, okay, that's enough. He would've won it out of here, right? - Correct. - If Russell Westbrook was taken, and by the way, he was pretty good at UCLA, too. I'm just saying like, the Bulls did the right thing because Westbrook was solid, but he would've won it out of here. - Rose Beasley, there was nobody that became a stud later in the draft. - No. - DeAndre Jordan. - No cap. - Dragach, no. - Yeah. - How bad that a draft? I mean, George Hill was solid, but again, Derek Rose was the right choice at one. - Yeah, the Bulls got it right. They absolutely did. Westbrook would go two in this redraft. Kevin Love would go three. - Yep, Augustine was a journey man, so. - That's correct. - Right. - Roy Hibbert was a journey man. He went to one All-Star game. - Yep. - Big guy from, I think, Georgetown. - That's correct. - DeAndre Jordan, he may still be going. - He's not in the league anymore, I think he is. - Is he at somebody's bench? - Yeah, I think he's on somebody's bench. - So this, not only do we celebrate Derek Rose, will we celebrate the Bulls? - Yeah, he's a nugget. - Is he still the back of a bench? - Yeah, the end of the nugget bench. - You know what, Cap? We celebrate the Bulls, too, for doing it right. I'm glad that I was able to see someone from the city being able to realize his dream, playing for the Chicago Bulls. - Super cool. - So awesome. More of your phone calls coming up, 3-1-2-3-2-3-2-E-S-P-N, 3-3-2-3-7-7-6-R, phone number. Thank you, Reggie. - Thank you very much. - All right, coming up, more of your phone calls on this. Don't forget, "Shout or No-Shout" at eight o'clock. All part of the mix on "The Cap and J" Good Morning Show. Checkmate, 1-6-Lany of Suppression on Target. ♪ That's why I see him in my shot ♪ ♪ Shot or no shot ♪ ♪ With Cap and Jihood on E-S-P-N-1000 and E-S-P-N-Chicago app ♪ ♪ That's why I see him in my shot ♪ - Good morning and welcome in to The Cap and Jihood Morning Show on E-S-P-N-1000 and streaming on the E-S-P-N-Chicago app. With David Kaplan, Jonathan Hood with you, now time for "Shout or No-Shout." Here's A.I. Jack McGrath. - Good morning, guys. How's it going? - All's good, man. All is good. D-Rose is retired. We wish him the best. We got football tonight. Bears can beat the Rams this weekend. - Do you have a little bead on the Giants Cowboys? Got a little information for me? - I will. - Still haven't, still early, huh? - I'll have the analytics for you. - Okay, I just thought you'd give me a little something on that. - That's a big game on both sides, as you well know. - That is. - Cowboys lose again, oh God. - Oh God. - Can't, he said this morning on a sportsman like, five to seven here in E-S-P-N-1000, that if he believes if they lose tonight, Mike McCarthy will not make it to Thanksgiving. - Well, that's not happening. And I'll say something else about this too, 'cause I know the Cowboys is such a big topic. I don't know why, but they're a big topic. This whole thing of Belichick going to the Cowboys, that's not happening either. - Because Jerry Jones wants someone to manipulate. - That's why. - But Jerry Canty said today. - Okay. - Canty says, what did I say? - Well, Canty played there. I mean, he knows the guy. He said, Jerry told him his biggest regret is how he screwed up the relationship with Bill Parsels. And he read the draft from the Bill Parsels draft when Jerry got out of the way. Oh my God, it was one of the great drafts I've ever heard. - So Jay Moore, I'm just gonna lay out here and just hit buttons because my opinion doesn't count 'cause I didn't play for the Cowboys. - Well, he knows Jerry and Jerry told him that. - I know tendencies and I know what was said. And I understand that Jerry Jones did not wanna be usurped or overshadowed by big name coaches. It's like what's happening at a lake forest right now. - Yeah, but he's losing at some point. He's gotta go, all right, I gotta put this in check and I gotta get this thing right. 'Cause what, how old is he? - 82. - Okay, well we know that some old owners sometimes just don't get it. I think we know a few. - Jerry. - Well, I mean, whatever Jerry you'd like to pick there in that spot, yes. - Well, you played for the slot or so. - I did play, but yeah, he always discounts my football experience. So, there it is. But he doesn't care about that because he played in the league, kid. And what you have to say doesn't matter as much. - No, I'm telling you that Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer situation did not work. He tried it one more time with Parcels and because Parcels, the big tuna, cast such a wide shadow, it overshadowed Jerry. That's why he had read coach to team all those years. - Yeah, Jason Garrett. - Yeah, and then McCarthy, someone he could manipulate. No. So if it's, McCarthy will not be fired by Thanksgiving. That's a no shot. I know that was not a question, but just saying. - Do you know, if you go back to the drafts with Parcels, oh, doctor, there were some really, really good players that they took. Like the one draft that he talked about today, Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Kevin Burnett, Marion Barber, Chris Canty, Jay Ratliff. I mean, those are all studs. - And then what happened? - He forced them out. - Here's Jack McGrath. - And he's not winning. - All right, White Sox win last night. They push off history one more night, at least. And, Cap, I think your line might have been stolen. - Take that. - It's happening with a cutaway up. - He's going to fall, fall is round the third coming home. And we'll get all, and we'll get all White Sox with a win in the 10th. Take that history. Take that. - How about that. - How about that? - Shout-er, no shot. Your line got swiped. It's Shriffins now. - No, no shot. And I like John. I do. He's not taking my line. That's my line. - Take that. - He can use it. - He can use it. - Oh, that's mine. - Since he used, take that. You could growl for the panther, if you like. - Rawr, Rawr. - Here's Jack. (laughing) - All right, sticking on the White Sox. Four games left still haven't broken the record yet. A lot of fans want them to do it at home tonight to lose, but Shriffins, no shot. You want to see the White Sox at this point win out in spoil history. - We'll never lose again. Like the shows, sure as I watch on Hulu, the terrible hockey team, minor league hockey team, that lost a lot and they won one game and they declared, we'll never lose again. It's almost like with this White Sox team, Jack. I'll tell you, it was so, I raised my arms in victory. Watch that game yesterday. I'm like, we won the game? Like, what? They won this game, so they've rallied this far. I like for them to be able to win today and then whatever happens happens, but just for the home folks that's gonna be there, let them win one more time at home. We will be there looking forward to hanging out. - Just for the home folks, then whatever you want to do then, they're going to break the record cap. That's, I just, hopefully it's not today in my presence. - Is the Jayhawk coming today? - I'm sure he'll be there. - The Jayhawk. - He is? - Yeah. - About that? - Yes, he knows I'm gonna be there, so he knows that he wants to support me in this Sox nonsense, so absolutely. So, it's Flexin' today. Chris Flexin' is the starter. I guess Tyler Anderson. - Hmm. - Okay. - Okay, he's Prelander Barola gonna get in today? - I'm sure he will and I still won't know who he is. So, no, it's a, I want them to continue this on, Jack. That's my, that's my take. Win again, and then when you go on the road, I'll do what you're gonna do on the road. - At Detroit. - Yeah, that's fine. - Gotta sweep. - I like the way the switch up on the starting rotation. You saw this one. - Yes, he moved crocheted at a mark, as he said we want to give our best to a team trying to make the playoffs, the Tigers. - Good job. He's gonna pitch more than four innings, sir. - Oz, he said he'd let him go eight. - Sure, I think it's about time. - That's a question. - Prank it up, Garrett. - Yeah, crochet, you can put them out there, but I mean, if you're out there from four innings, then don't switch it up, keep it the way it is. Again, for PR, from PR standpoint, it'd been nice for crochet to finish up this homestan and the season playing the Angels today, but they're going a different direction. Okay. The next manager of the White Sox, great size more. Possibly. - Maybe? - Yeah. By the way, go to espn.com, Jack. The piece is out there now from Jesse Rogers regarding the Chicago White Sox. You see that? - I have it up here on my screen. - Yeah, so it's already up there. ESPN couldn't hold it back anymore. Are they lost yet? All right, let's not post it. Are they lost? Put it up. - Just get it up. - At some point, they're gonna lose. Put it up. Now the piece that flew. So please support Jesse 'cause he supports us on espn.com, the piece about the White Sox. It's pretty damning. Here's AI, Jack. All right, so Chiro Santos missed a 56 yard field goal in last week's game against the Colts. He was way short on it. I think there's a case now because Chiro Santos isn't hitting from longer than 55 yards. And you look around the league in almost every team as a kicker who can hit from 60 plus. Is there a case, shot or no shot, that the Bears should carry two kickers on game day. One for the long field goals and then Chiro from 50 and in. No shot. No. - Is that possibility of three points from 55 plus more valuable than the last guy on your roster? To me it is, I would think. - Yeah, no. I need to make sure I've got an extra lineman. I got an extra this, no. Thanks, I'll pass. Two kickers. Yerko just rolled over and went, what did he say? - Jay Morgan, you do me a favor, please. - Sure. - Would you please check the battery life on AI, Jack, please? Just check the battery life. How much does he have left? 82%. Oh, God. More of this, wow. Okay, two kickers. - You can argue that cost the Bears six points. - No, I understand, Jack. - And that's a completely different ballgame if they have a kicker who can hit from 55 plus. - 64 that he made would have made it from 56. - And that's the 56-yarder short. There's something up there. He's not hitting 56-yarder in his entire career. - Okay, that happens, dude. You're not gonna make every kick. Justin Tucker missed two last week. - So let me help you that. Let me help you out, Jack. The way you start this off is, is that you see kickers around the National Football League. They're kicking into 56 or longer. And you don't believe in Santos as a kicker. So you should call for him to be cut, for him to look for someone else. That's what you should do. - Correct. - So the argument for Santos is he's almost automatic at this point from 50 yards in it. And you like that he's able to deal with the soldier field weather, because he's now been experienced in that, and he's been extremely accurate at soldier field, a very tough place historically to kick. For me, that percentage of being able to have that opportunity at points, your expected points would go up on field goals if you would Santos from 50 and in, but you need to be able to have that opportunity from 55 and longer. Let's look at an end of the game, Sariel. We saw it at the end of the half in Indianapolis. The Bears had a few options. They either try to kick the 50, 60 yard field goal with Cairo Santos, which if it's 60 yards, is almost an automatic miss. You get a second kicker who can maybe hit 60 yarders at what? Like a 55, 60% clip. Where you go for a Hail Mary with like what? A three, four, five percent chance of converting. At that point, it's just basic math. You need a kicker who can hit from that far. Well, then you should cut him then. No team in the league has two kickers. There's no designated kicker for the, we got the short guy and we got the long guy. 50 in, all right, 50 in, all right, Cairo. 51, all right, let's bring in Joe Smith. No one does that. No. They used to have kickoff specialists. Not anymore. They never carried three kickers. They had a kicker and a punter. Maybe the punter did the kickoffs. They didn't carry three kickers. In your algorithm, why didn't you just ask a shot or no shot should Tory Taylor have the long kick? Well, that's another question, I guess. That was also my thought, but I don't know if court Tory Taylor's ever kicked a field goal before. That's what you asked. Yeah, and it's a different, totally different motion. So I don't know what that does to Tory Taylor's leg if he was just trying to long field goals. It's not like he's just an AI creation, like you. I don't know. They expanded the rosters five years ago in the active game day rosters from 46 to 48. Why can't you use one of those two extra spots to carry an extra kicker? Jack, your program to go to the next one now. You just can't keep going on this. We're trying to keep listeners. All right, all right. You want football to have a closer. Okay, a kicker closer. Exactly. Why not? No, let's go to the bullpen. Here comes the closer for the Bears from 82. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Here comes Tommy Trump. That's the best. I mean, I mean, that's what we got. That's what you hear. You play the trumpet and then here comes the long field goal kicker. By the way, that is the coolest tradition right now in sports. And I'm jealous that they've got it. The Mets and we don't. Tommy Trumpet, that thing is awesome. Here's A.I. Jack. All right, let's stick in the NFC North. Let's go to the Vikings. So Sam Darnold has been phenomenal so far. In a hypothetical world where the Vikings make the playoffs, which it looks like they're on track to do, does Sam Darnold earn a second contract with the Vikings? Shot or no shot. Sam Darnold, the Vikings should sign Sam Darnold to that second contract and they should trade JJ McCarthy for a first round pick. Oh, OK, so, but at the deadline, no, no, no, I'm saying at the end of the season at the end of the season. Yes. As long as they make the playoffs with Sam Darnold, they should trade JJ McCarthy instead. You have approved Sam Darnold's 27 years old. He's younger than Joe Burrell. If you prove that you can make the playoffs with Sam Darnold, since you can sit her at the minimum, keeping them on. No, I need two quarterbacks. I got to develop one. I liked him enough to draft him. What am I getting for? Probably a first rounder. He was a first rounder last year. Well, I'm not getting the 10th pick in the first round, and then that what they took him at. And I'm proven too. You haven't seen him throw a ball. Correct. So, I'm going to trade away the 10th overall pick who's had meniscus surgery, and I'll get, I don't know, the 26th pick. What am I doing that for? Well, then you have your quarterback figured out with Sam Darnold and you build around him instead. It's positive that Sam Darnold is the guy when he failed how many years in a row. Yeah, but you heard what Jack said, though, that the devil's in the details how he's younger than Joe Burrell. Mm-hmm. That's crazy. It's 27. How is that possible? But it's true, though. Crazy. No, no, it's a no shot because cap, as we well know, this is about development. Now, I would have suggested for J.J. McCarthy to sit for a year anyway, even if he was healthy. But now that he's not available, it's Sam Darnold's show. If Sam Darnold gets Minnesota's the playoffs, McCarthy can stay with me because who knows when Sam Darnold will revert back to being Sam Darnold? Correct. That very well could be maybe he gets it under McConnell and maybe he doesn't. If he doesn't, guess what I got, I got a fresh quarterback here ready to learn. Yeah, I'm not trading him. I would not personally know. Nope. Pass. And Brett Rippon is also on the roster as well in Minnesota. Correct. He's the third. All right. Coming up, we go around the NFL. It's a deal breakers Thursday. We have deal breakers at 835. Captain J. Hood on ESPN 1000 also on our YouTube channel. If you missed something, get the podcast on the ESPN Chicago app. Jack and J. Hood are back on Chicago's home for sports, ESPN Chicago. It both sucks. He sucks. I'm just a fan. I'm not a football evaluator. I love the Green Bay Packers. The guy is front, but there he goes. This is not Detroit, man. This is the Super Bowl. I love winning. He starts the comedy. This is a really thickly built guy. I mean. It is time to go around the NFL right here on Captain J. Hood on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app and how to cap as his correct headphones. It's the same. You didn't hear anything, right? No. It's like now. Don't hear anything. They're identical, but I own my own. Yes. I had. I don't know if they're yurts or waddles. I like these. I don't hear hoodie in these. Take that. It's like the ones you have right now. Same thing. You don't hear anything I'm saying. Same. We go around the NFL. Hey, Hoodie. Did you guys mention Candice Parker? Yes. Got an email or a text. Dude, what about Michael Finley? Next to them. 707. Hey, man. Listen, we understand because people are just coming in. Right. I just get their day stuff. I understand. Relax. I wasn't up that early. Yeah. And I understand a lot of people tune in when they can tune in, but yeah, yeah. We meant a lot of those names we see on Twitter. If you are mentioning them and they were from Chicago, more than likely we mentioned them. Tune in. Yes. So we get it. If you don't think we said it, go back to the ESPN Chicago app, go to Captain J. Hoodie. So here are all those names that you mentioned. Correct. We understand. Hey, you guys are just tuning in when you can tune in. Correct. So we appreciate it. All right. We have AI Jack here with around the NFL Jack. Well, I have been given Shays power rankings to give them to the people. So we've got all of Shays power rankings. Okay. You get there, Hoodie. What's your pen go there? Oh, just, you know, that's fine. I'm just trying to get my pen ready here. I know where you go with it. I know where both of y'all go with it. I just love the idea that Shay brings in his power rankings. He's not feeling well, but he's the best he's ever felt at the same time. That's it. All right. Start. So we start with number 10. We start with number 10. Down five spots. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Shay says losing at home to the Broncos without a passing touchdown cannot happen. That's the mulligan. Ha ha ha. My Gideon. Wow. What's wrong? Cat. You agree with 10? Yeah. They're an okay team. They're well coached. He's a good football coach. Todd Bowles. Todd Bowles. Yeah. Tampa. But Baker may feel has to be better than he was. He was not going to be others. I think it was a blip. I think he'll be fine after after this week. He's shown it for a year and plus now. I think he'll be okay. First AKI in there. He's in here earlier. Well, look. Bears aren't in the top 10 organizations to ride poles and drop. No. But right here. It's a blip. Okay. Buck it here, boy. What else you got? Don't call him that. It's AI. Damn. He's just doing what he's programmed to say, Cap. Get a pirate hat. It'll be fun. A pirate hat. It'll be fun. He's got lots of his squash butt. The squash buckler Pat, right? Cap, just understand. He can't get on Jack. He's programmed. Don't you understand? Right. No. No response. Like a hologram back there. Yeah. Danny programmed. That's all. Hey. Hey, program them. Correct. So, number nine. Number nine. Pittsburgh Steelers and Justin Fields jumping into the rankings for the first time. Three offensive touchdowns in three games, but they have the number one defense in the league holding other opposing teams to eight points a game. So three and all Pittsburgh Steelers are number nine. Man, however you get there, Cap, everyone is looking for Mike Thomas demise and that brother just keeps telling you, no, the standard is the standard. I don't care who's back there. He doesn't care. Man. We're so alike. The pair is this. We're so alike except for the winning. It just, I mean, the same meat and potatoes run the football, strong defense, utilize a tight end. It's like, the only thing is he finds a way to win. He does. And we don't, you know, everything I've watched, listened to, read, oh my God, Justin just tearing it up. You got three touchdowns, man. Reading is fundamental. Correct. We're not asking, by the way, we, I know we all have small sports bandwidths. We can't watch everything. Can't read everything. But I just know when you're to nine to five, you go, oh, steel is a three and oh, Justin's tearing it up. Well, just one deep dive, one click, enter, oh, numbers are kind of the pedestrian. That's no shot at him. It's just that he does just enough to help the Steelers win. But again, as usual, it's the defense getting it done for Pittsburgh brother. So that's all it is. But no, Steelers are fine. No matter who's back there cap, Tom will find a way to win. That's it. Eight. Eight is the Green Bay Packers. Malik Willis held down the fort Jordan Love could be back soon. Green Bay staying in the top 10 fair, fair, much as I despise that team there. Oh, great organization, man. You've got to tip your cap to the way that that building runs year after year. You know, Jack, it'll be very interesting on Sunday and all these matchups always compelling because this NFL, you just never know what's going to happen for week to week. But Packers Vikings will tell a story, won't it? Oh, yeah. Definitely. I mean, that's who's who's going to be competing at the end of the year for the division? That could be a huge game in the divisional race. That's it. Well, sorry, Arnold, but yes, but no, Willis has been been very, very steady. I mean, the numbers are what they are. But it's Green Bay, sonically, far Rogers love. Willis. What you talking about? I mean, I don't know Conrad Bain. Unbelievable. The death dude. Mr. Drummer. Basically, he's on the scrap. People give me a seventh round pick for him. People are like, for what? He's two and a half. That's because Matt LaFloor is a really good coach, but that building, they have a standard. They do things a certain way. That's it. Number seven. Number seven, Philadelphia Eagles defense showed up last week. Chase says the offense has to be more than Sequon Barkley, but man, oh man, he could be the best signing of the off season. Would would be nice if the Bears had a Sequon Barkley running it off the ground. They finished second. They tried. Jack. If Sequon Barkley was on the Bears, he'd run his ass into the line. For a two yard game. Yeah. And I'll he'd be crushed by now if he was on the Bears. Just saying. Like again, we, we, we, we star F these names all the time. Oh, I wish we had this guy, which we had this guy, which we had this guy, which we had this. But again, it's about the infrastructure. Sequon Barkley behind this line, they'd be a dealt with a B at his head. Just saying. It's all about infrastructure. Number six. Shea. Or a Jack. She's got Houston at six, down three. They got crushed by the Vikings. She says life comes at you fast. It's from telling Caleb Williams to it will all be okay for CJ Stroud to now being crushed by Sam Darnold Houston at six makes sense to me. Yeah. I mean, they're good football team now better not lose another one here this week, better figure it out quickly or you're falling out of the top 10. Number five. Number five Seattle three and all three and all three and all. They have a top five defense and Geno looks, Geno looks good still, even with a new offensive coaching staff. The three and all is three and all shapes line that was thousand the notes. All right. Jackpot number four. Number four. This one surprised me, Minnesota all the way from unranked all the way up to number four. Kevin O'Connell is looking phenomenal with that offense. For three in defensive efficiency, top 10 in offense, they've done it versus the Niners, they've done it versus the Texans, the highest ranked team and the or the second highest ranked team in the NFC North right now, but right there with the top top dogs. So Jack, the biggest surprise in the NFL, you'd say, right? That would say so. I mean, definitely. That wasn't supposed to happen. It really shouldn't be surprising because they didn't have a quarterback for most of the season last season and they still looked somewhat competitive. They weren't great, but they were at least competing in games and we didn't expect Sam Darnell to be a good quarterback, but the way he's looked, it makes sense that they're playing as well as they are. It's the biggest fear for the, it's one of the biggest fears for the Chicago Bears. It is because we always knew that Detroit was going to be the top of the division. Whether it's a fewer wins than last year cap, Green Bay is Green Bay, always quality. The question we had is what would Minnesota look like and could the Bears be able to surpass Minnesota? You see where the Vikings are now, top of the vision. Again, it's just three games, but I like for the Bears to rally here. I asked you yesterday for five burning questions. The next three games of the Bears, can they win them? You had them, winning them and going four and three into the by going, no, I had them four and two going in the by four and two going to the by. Yeah, correct. Four and two going to the by. Correct. The Rams, they can beat the Panthers and they can beat the Jaguars. That would be nice. That'd be amazing. Some really good momentum going in there. That'd be amazing. One more thing on the Vikings, I was playing around on spot track yesterday and do you know who right now has the biggest cap hit against Minnesota's cap space for this season? The biggest cap hit this season on Minnesota's. It's not just the Jefferson because they backloaded that deal. It's not Sam Darnold. I'll give it to you. It's Kirk Cousins because they restructured his deal. So 26 million of Kirk Cousins is going against the cap right now. They clear that for next year. They're top six in open cap space going into next season. Good. That's a very solid. There you go. So we got many Minnesota at four, number three, Jack Detroit's most impressive thing about their two-in-one start, their defense. The offense hasn't been great so far, but the defense is carrying the load. Number two. And they want to add Arizona. That was a tough game. Number two, Kansas City. They go down one. Of course, they receive the benefit of the doubt, but Shea says they're three and oh, but in reality, they are a cold pass interference and a non-call pass interference away from being one and two. And of course, we know who number one is, the Raiders. All right. So coming up, we will give you deal breakers. Wow. And that's number one. There he goes. A.I. Just had to just put his beak in there. I didn't. Josh Allen, MVP candidate. Couldn't just go on with a joke. Just had to say it because the algorithm would be off. He'd be smoking in there. We need to be truthful to the listeners. Yeah. No, we don't. That's why you're. All right. Start now. Yeah. That's why a young broadcast. You don't know. No, you don't have to be truthful with the listeners. No, you don't. You'll learn, Jack. You'll learn. Just entertainment. Yeah. You'll learn. Fresh out of Mizzou. You must be truthful for the listeners. Uh-oh. Let's get an upset. All right. Coming up. We won't overload. Not get truthful. Not be truthful. We have deal breakers, Cap. You know, that's next. It's a good day with deal breakers Thursday. Indeed. And we'll have that coming up next. Cap and Jhood on YouTube and ESPN 1000. The Chicago Bay is a trash.