Kap & J. Hood
9/26 7 AM: Derrick Rose Retires
Hour 1: After 16 years in the NBA Derrick Rose decides to call it a career. The guys discuss his retirement and where does he rank amongst other Chicago born professional athletes. The Athletic released a list of the Top 10 NFL Front Offices, where did the Chicago Bears rank?
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And Cap, as we came in this morning, we got breaking news from Tim McMahon and Malika Andrews on ESPN.com and at the Chicago Bulls as well, that former MVP, Chicago's own Derek Rose, is retiring from the NBA after a 16 year career. Who has hung it up? He is no longer in the NBA. Look, he was a hell of a player Johnny, a hell of a player. He had his ups, he had his downs, he had his injuries, played in a multitude of cities, resurrected his career with TIBs, but not here in Chicago. He'll always be remembered as ours. And we'll always think about what could have been had he not made that jump stop in the lane against the Sixers in the 2012 playoffs and the next thing you know, he's riding on the ground and blown ACL. And that pretty much summed up his Bulls career at the end. Here's what's interesting about this. You and I had lunch at Chicago Cut. And the last conversation we had before we left the table is, hey, we saw across our phones that he was cut by Memphis. And I said to you, if you recall, Cap, I said, Cap, what if Derek Rose finishes career in Chicago? And my partner said, ah, no shot, 35 at the end. I said, if any team needs good PR, a team that's not going away anytime soon is Chicago Bulls, it's that last roster spot, Cap, a solid veteran in the room with young players. And I said to you, what if, right? It's not, I mean, he wouldn't cost a ton. He'd just be that old head in the room that could just bring the team together. And now he's gone. Yeah. Two days later. You recall that conversation, right? Yeah, two days ago, we had dinner with our buddy, John Shriffon, we went to lunch, I mean. And Pooh's name came up and you said, be a mentor. I'm like, no shot, body's done. He's done, no way. And then here we are. I'm driving in, it flashes up on my phone breaking news. Derek Rose retiring from the NBA. That's it, man. So what I'll remember is you think about all the great Chicago born athletes. And, but very few of them, Cap, that we could say, hey, not only were you from here, but you played here. Think about it. Correct. Who's from here? Donna McNabb was from here. Yep. Played at Mount Carmel, played Syracuse, was an eagle. But he was not a Chicago bear. Michael Finley. Michael Finley, Maywood. But not a Chicago bull, as much as Krause would have liked him. Not a Chicago bull. Dwayne Wade was here for a cup of coffee from Robins. Correct. But really known as a Miami Heat. But I mean, because his dad owned Moen Oinken, he was in and out of the city. I mean, he was a Chicago guy, Dwayne Wade. He was. Is dad owned Moen Oink? I didn't know that. I'm just here for you, pal. Is that place still around, by the way? It's not. It's all over the wrestling coverage, too. So, yeah. So, Ricky Henderson from Chicago and A and other places where he was, but never played for the Cubs or White Sox. Correct. So, what I'm saying is, is that we covered Derek Rose, because not only did he play at Simeon, but also, Cap, from the city and was the number one pick and played with Chicago Bulls. You recall the feeling when Derek Rose was drafted, like, oh, my God, a guy that's from here that's being drafted by the Chicago Bulls. And he was so exciting. You think about quick guards that we see across the league now, Cap. Now think about Derek Rose in his prime. Early from the foul line down, no one was faster and craftier to get to the basket like Derek Rose. It wasn't about clutch shots for me. It was about his explosiveness to the basket. It was incredible. His, I still, my favorite highlight. Yeah, he had the cool one against the Cavs in the Eastern Conference final when he hit the game winner in game one. Cool. My favorite one is him going, I want to go higher. And then the next one, he dunked over Dragotch. What are you doing, Dragotch? Yes. Yeah. Jay Moore's got to find that one. Oh, it's here. We got a number of highlights here. So, when we look at some of the great Chicago-born athletes, Cap, where does Derek Rose fit? I know that the injury cut him short. It does. I know it does. And he really wasn't the same player. There was flashes here and there with, you know, Detroit here, Nick's there. And of course, it's Tom Thibodeau, so he trusted Derek Rose. Like, you know, one thing about Tom, especially when he first took over the Knicks, he got players that he could trust that he remembers. All right, Derek, all right, let's bring him in. Taj Gibson, all right, come on in. Guys, he knew that he could trust. And he gave Derek a nice runway there for three years toward the end of his career. And then you went to Memphis. So, I think that's pretty solid. I'm trying to think, I mean, Eddie Olczyk, but he played here. Born in Chicago. Edzo. Yep. Who was the greatest to ever come out of Chicago? Dick Buckkiss. Anthony Davis. Dick Buckkiss. Anthony Davis. What a good player. What are you talking about? Well, I'd say he's the greatest, but I didn't get named. Let's not go back to the lunch that we had when we're going through the top 50 high school players from the city and he didn't make 50. He didn't make 75. Perspectives. Cap. We've seen them all. I know you've seen them all. I've seen a number of them. Cap. He doesn't even scratch the surface. Anthony Davis. Street clothes? No shot. Kirby Puckett. Isaiah Thomas. But he was a twin though. That's a problem. Isaiah. Is he the best? He was great, man. Isaiah Thomas was great. That is a question. There's no question about that. But he was a piston. He was a piston, yes. No question. I think it's very rare to find the Chicago born athlete that played for the city. And I threw out the car, Derek Rose, and then I threw out the car Dick Buckas. It's hard to beat Buckas. That's all the family. I'll beat him both. Who? Chris Chellios. Better than Buckas. That's tough. Oh boy. Chris Chellios is-- At this moment, the greatest US born hockey player ever. Patrick Kane's going to rival him when he's done. He's lapped him. Patrick Kane. Yeah. Chris Chellios is amazing. The rings, Cap. That matters today now. How many rings do you have in the box? How many does Chellios have? Three. OK. But Kane. Three. They're tied. Better. You don't think so? It's close. I've always said I think when he retires, Patrick will go down as the greatest American born hockey player. Yeah, he wasn't born here, of course. Mm-hmm. You threw one at me today. Shannon Sharp, born in Chicago, had no idea. I had no idea that. Me. He was actually from here. Yeah. CM Punk. Well, that's Chicago's champion right there, buddy. CM Punk. How about George Hallis? Where's he ranked? I mean, he has his own Mount Rushmore by himself. He was a Yankee. Yes, he was a Yankee, yes. But Derek Rose has to be in that team photo. We don't do Mount Rushmore on the show, necessarily. But what we're saying is that, think about Derek Rose. And again, we understand that he got cut short and that playoff game gets Philadelphia. We understand that. But the point is, though, Cap, is that that guy was MVP, a young MVP. How great it was Derek Rose at that particular time. Now, again, this is under Tom Thibodeau. And so there was a ceiling on the success of the Bulls because LeBron James is on the other side of the conversation. That he was the guy that was going to hold it all down. No question. That's the thing that was so difficult. It wasn't mean, but that has takes nothing away from Derek Rose in his heart. And how he was a heart and soul of the team. And he was Chicago cool, man. He was Chicago cool. I mean, that he was the embodiment of Chicago. He was our guy. Yes. And now he's retired. Hard to believe it breaks this morning that Derek has taken out newspaper ads and said, thank you to all the fan bases that he had. Yeah, so a full-page ad, how much does that cost? Chicago, New York, Cleveland, Minneapolis, Detroit, and Memphis commercial appeal to all the places he went. He had a full-page ad for each city. That's pretty cool. It's not in the sun time, so it must be. Not yet. No. Late paper, but not that late. No. So who's the most famous person in sports? Born in Chicago. Interesting. Oh, raised. Interestingly enough, you don't have it in your sun times, but it's in my Chicago defender this morning. So I got that. I'll always save that one. I'm sorry? What? Online. No, no, no. I hear the hard copies right here in the bag. Coach K? What? I said, sports person born in Chicago or raised here. That's fine, Cap. He's the winningest coach in the history of men's college basketball. He left it behind. He did. He is more, as you well know, more of a North Carolina guy than a Chicago guy. That's-- I mean, he's not saying he didn't come back here from time to time, but seriously. You would think, right? Right. But he's just-- K's fine, but I think he's a North Carolina. OK. I mean, wow. I'm going through all the names here. Glad you brought up CM Punk, though. That was cool. Yeah. I like him a lot. I think he's a good dude, man. I mean, as I go through all the names, you mentioned Dick Butkus. I mean, it's hard to beat that Butkus card, I would say. I mean, he's still revered, Cap. He's still revered. He is. Even in passing, people still-- you think about the Chicago Bears, you think about the ferocious defensive. Dick Butkus was the face of it. I'll put Chellios, Butkus. There's our guy, Edzo. And Derek. Dorothy Hamill. All right. He's done, folks. 3-1-2-3-3-2-E-S-V-A-3-3-2-3-7-7-6 cell phone number. You threw out a card, which meant that last card means it's going to be a new hand. All right, new game. There we go. OK. Shuffle them up. He just threw out the last card, Jayboard. That's it. So you threw out Dorothy Hamill, so that's all. I think that we've got our Mount Rushmore if we had to. I think that's what we've done. So we'd like for you, if you are on hold, you will be on the air. But also, Jack, let's open the phone lines. 3-1-2-3-3-2-E-S-P-N-3-3-2-3-7-7-6 cell phone number. Derek Rose is retired from the NBA after a 16-year career. So I'd like to ask you, where do you place Derek Rose amongst the best Chicago-born athletes? Again, we've named, I think, a four. We have a couple from Twitch. You got Candice Parker, Simeon Rice, Kendall Gill, Antoine Walker. All good players. Out of those four, Candice Parker played for Chicago. Yep, brought a Chicago Sky championship ring here, which is awesome, by the way. Love that she came back here to bless us with her Hall of Fame presence, give us a championship, and then left, and then retired. Kendall played it Illinois, but never played for the Bulls. I don't believe that he-- He did not though. He did not. As much as I think he would have loved to, the South Suburban great Kendall Gill is on that list as well. Good dude as well. Yes, absolutely great guy. So we just want to find out where Derek Rose and his story, especially you guys on the South Side. He grew up, kept 20 minutes from me. Derek Rose went to Simeon. You thought that the days of great high school basketball was done with Simeon and King in your era, in the '80s, into the '90s cap. But then you go to a game with Derek Rose in it, and you recall, you know this like I know it. Derek Rose, the kind of player that he didn't have to score to control the game. There was a game in which he did not score, but contributed so much in a game that helped Simeon win. And you do remember his time with Calapari and Memphis as well. Oh, yeah. And I was at the state tournament game when he scored. I want to say two points. And dominated the game. They won. Simeon dominated. It's crazy. That's the kind of player that he was. So he's retired, and we're getting your thoughts. 3, 1, 2, 3, 3, 2, 3, 7, 7, 6 are our phone number. It's a salute to that man, because it's amazing that Cap and I were just talking about him a couple of days ago. And Jack puts on the sheet that he, like, a one-day contract. That very well could be. If Jerry Reinsworth has anything to say about it, yeah, that would not surprise me. The Bulls need as much good PR as possible. So that would not surprise me. But I thought he had like a little bit more on the tank, but he says he wants to spend more time with his family. Of course, he was looking forward to spending more time with his family when he played. But to make sure he's healthy enough to take his kid to school, as you recall. Correct. Business meetings. PTA. You do call this, right? He was emitting this open quote. I do. He had a thought of the future while he was still playing in the league, trying to make sure that-- but the health-- that's part of the story, too, Cap, his health, and the mental hurdles. That's the first time we heard that phrase. And once I get through the mental hurdles through my rehab, I can play. But you remember this. I do. OK. 100%. But I would also tell you this. Derek-- and I was critical of him, and I walked up to him and apologized to him at the United Security, and he got off the-- he was on like a little mini trampoline doing his core work. And he got up and hugged me. I said, dude, you were the first guy to talk about load management. And we blasted you, me leading the charge. You were right. And now it's commonplace. He was the first, because he knew his body better than we did. So yeah, he'll always have a warm spot from me for what he did for our city. All right. Your phone call is coming up. Your memories are Derek Rose. And also, where do you place them once the best Chicago-born athletes? We just threw out a number of them for you. Is Derek on that list for you? 312-332-3776 is our telephone number. Cap and J-hood, weekday morning 7 to 10. With the first kick in the 2008 NBA draft, the Chicago Bulls select Derek Rose from the University of Memphis. Rose, Rose crosses over the fadeaway. Take this step back, and it kills myself. Blaze, I think you're this fast. We can't roll. Stop it, stop it. He's not doing like that. What are you doing driving? It starts close. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my gah, I'll bear that. Why did you want some Miller? Ow, I hurt my ankle. I fell down. And I can't get out of it. Bulls for the chance to win. Here on Christmas Day, Rose left. Rose in the lane. Rose, Derek Rose. Derek Rose. Score for Jack from the field 17 to 39. What a move by Rose. He's letting our drugs is fine. Oh, it's a double, $18. Looking. Find Rose. Rose trying to get open fires away. Bang. It's over. Ah, that was going to beat LeBron. Some of the great highlights of Derek Rose in his career. We're talking about it here on The Cap and Jhood Morning Show on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. This is not a sad day. Cap is a celebration of Derek Rose, who is retiring from the NBA after his 16 year career. Look, he came in and just captivated the league, the city. It was insane. And then Tibbs took him to another level. And then all of a sudden, number one seed in the east. That was crewed by the Sixers. Hold on a second. Derek's down. That was sick. Tour that ACL in that first round, that 2012 playoff. You remember who the first person was out there? When he was laying on the baseline, Doug Collins. Yeah. Doug. He was the coach of the Sixers. Yeah. And it was just awful. And then the worst thing was, I never understood why the Bulls did this. Do you remember the next game? There's a paw all over the city, Derek's injured. They have Derek come out with his leg in a brace and throw out the ceremonial first tip. It did not fire the crowd up. Everyone was just somber. Yeah. He was in a sky box. And who knew that was the beginning of the end of Derek Rose in Chicago? He averaged 17 points a game. Five assists in 723 games played, including 518 starts. He only played 77 games over the last three seasons, including 24 in Memphis. So again, he finished his career of 17 and five. Again, pretty good. Hats off to him. But you just know after he toured an ACL cap, it was just hard for him to ever be the same. He was at Hall of Faber if he stays healthy. Yeah. I mean, you think about the youngest MVP in NBA history averaging 25 points a game and seven assists. As I mentioned, what I always think about Derek is just how fast he was to get to the basket. And of course, for someone who coached guards as you did, it was important for being able to have some kind of explosion to the basket. Yeah. You wanted the guy to be able to shoot for a high percentage. And if you get the high percentage shot going to the rim and cutting through the defense the way he did, it was incredible. Yeah. The only athlete I ever coached that comes close to that guy was Kenny Battle. Mm-hmm. And he was the first round pick and a great dude and love Kenny. But Derek, Derek was the most explosive, dominant athlete I had ever watched play at that size. Like Michael was six, six. Yep. And I remember when the Bulls won the lottery. Pax was reorganizing his drawers in his dresser. Mm-hmm. He didn't even watch the lottery. Well, yeah, no shot. Yeah. And his son came running at dad. We won the lottery. What? And I talked to Pax like two days later, he's like, yeah, it's pretty much one of two. We've got to figure out Michael Beasley's really dumb. I'm like, dude, it's not even a question. Yeah. He kind of went to Cross Route and go, he's from Chicago, too much pressure. We're not going to do it. No. You took Derek Rose. That was the right pick. Yes. So they did their homework and Derek just, unfortunately, didn't go the way that everyone thought. All right. Let's go. The full line has to talk to you. Phoenix listening on the ESPN Chicago App, here's Ed on cap and Jhood. Ed, good morning. Good morning. What's up. What are we doing there, Ed? Man, we work and getting his money. All right. I know you want to check in on Derek Rose, what was on your mind? He doesn't want to give kudos to him. Great career. I'm 42. So I'm old enough. Watch Jordan. Remember him vividly. Uh, rose to the closest board of bring back that feeling. Um, of course, everybody can be fixated on what is the injuries, but just want to enjoy what we watch that first playoffs here because Boston MVP season. Great career. No question. No doubt. Thanks, Ed. Have a good day. Um, yeah. Good. Hardworking listening. Yeah. Is there a pod in his ear? Yep. Yeah. Got the saw going. He does. He's out there grinding, man. Um, when Derek was at his zenith here in Chicago, man, people walked around with his jersey on and just pride, that's our guy, not just we drafted him. He's from here. It was super cool. Uh, we go to Justin and Dallas listening on the ESPN Chicago App. Listen, good morning. Gentlemen, I hope all is well. How you guys doing? What's up, Justin? Yeah. So to me, this isn't even a debate. Derek Rose is still my favorite player by far and he, I know he announces retirement, but he's always going to be my favorite player. Uh, I think, and I think he deserves to have his jersey retired because he was the next great bull. Uh, if you think about it, he was the one he brought the ore to the United Center. Like you, the, the fact that it still feels up and it was because of him and his MVP season. So to me, it's not even the base. I still remember, um, I was working for Target right down there on Jackson in the West Loop. Yeah. And when he hit that shot, when he did, uh, you all played the highlight debate, the highlight, I was running across the part. I was, I was working the cart doing cart. I ran across the parking lot. He was looking me like I was crazy, but I was, I was just so happy because everything that he had went through, the MVP speech that is timeless, timeless. So, um, I, that's just my opinion on it. Saluted Derek Rose. He's always going to be my favorite player. And I appreciate it. I'm taking the call as always. Yeah. The man, buddy. Have a great day. Uh, for a perspective cap, you talked about talking to packs about that draft. Derek Rose, of course, the number one pick going to the Chicago Bulls. And I was concerned because you remember the conjecture about Derek Rose and Michael Beasley. You sure you don't want to big in that spot? Michael Beasley. You sure you don't want that? I mean, he was really solid out of Kansas state. You sure? And then the, the Bulls take Derek Rose. So Rose, Derek Beasley, OJ Mayo, that also was the Russell Westbrook draft. Kevin Love was in that draft. That's the top five. So what, when he was coming out and he was going to be in the draft, Stacey King and I love Stacey. Yeah. Got it in this big argument on Sports Talk Live or Chicago Trivina, whatever. It was called at the time, and he wanted Beasley cap. You don't take a guard number one. I'm like, dude, it's not close. They got the tapes. Yeah. You know what? That's strange. It's 2008. It's not 1984. Correct. When Mark Eaton and some of the bigs is like the Bulls are taking a, a two guard in the draft. That will never work. You're drafting a guard. Yeah. Michael. People laughed at Rott Thorne. They did. 100% in the land of trees during that time, the 80s, totally, you just dump it into the big guy. That's how basketball was. You find the tallest guy possible and just dump it into the lane. That's how it was. So when you took a guard, it was strange, but an old eight, that wouldn't have been out of, out of, you know, that was still commonplace. You could still draft guards in 2008, but there was still the bias of the big guy. Totally different. Give it to the power forward, Cap. No, he did just fine. Oh, man. When he was healthy, I mean, it was just ridiculous how good that guy was. You want to do a redraft? Like the pandemic? Want to do a redraft? If you redraft. 2008. Yeah. You want to do a redraft? Sure. Let's do it. The old pandemic conversation. That's what got us through the pandemic sports. So if we, if we were to redraft is Russell Westbrook one in that draft and the Derek Rose draft. So, so, wait, give me the top 10. We had Rose. We had no in no order, Rose Derek, Derek Beasley, Russell Westbrook, O.J. Mayo, Kevin Love. Who else? Dylan Ari, Eric Gordon, Joe Alexander, DJ Augustine, Brock Lopez, Brooke Lopez. That's the top 10. Yep. Bad draft. It wasn't that track. I keep it the way it is. That's the one thing. It was a bad draft. That people go back years later, go, GM suck. Look at who we drafted, and then you go, well, hold on a second now. Go look at the rest of the draft and tell me who was good because sometimes there's bad drafts. It just is what it is. J Moore's right. You just leave it because Russ would have got tired of the bulls through the first contract like, okay, that's enough. He would have wanted out of here, right? Correct. If Russell Westbrook was taken, and by the way, he was pretty good at UCLA too. I'm just saying like the bulls did the right thing because Westbrook was solid, but he would have wanted out of here. Rose Beasley. There was nobody that became a stud later in the draft. No. DeAndre Jordan. No cap. Dragotch. No. Yeah. The draft, I mean, George Hill was solid, but again, Derek Rose was the right choice at one. Yeah, the bulls got it right. They absolutely did. Westbrook would go two in this redraft. Kevin Love would go three. Yep. Augustine was a journeyman. So that's correct. Right. Roy Hibbert was a journeyman. He went to the one All-Star game, big guy from, I think, Georgetown. That's correct. DeAndre Jordan. He may still be going. He's not in the league anymore. I think he is. I think he is. You see, is somebody's bench? Yeah. I think he sounds somebody's bench. Yeah. So this, not only do we celebrate Derek Rose, will we celebrate the bulls? He's a nugget. Is he still the back of a bench? Yeah. The end of the nugget bench. You know what, Cap? We celebrate the bulls too for doing it right. I'm glad that I was able to see someone from the city being able to realize his dream playing for the Chicago Bulls. Super cool. So awesome. More of your phone calls coming up, 3-1-2-3-2-E-S-P-N-3-2-3-7-7-6 are our phone number. Thank you, Reggie. Thank you very much. All right. Coming up. More of your phone calls on this. Don't forget, Shatter No Shot at eight o'clock. All part of the mix on The Cap and J-Hood Morning Show. They don't like our team. Cap and J-Hood are back. And you know this, man. Chicago's home for sports. ESPN Chicago. And this should do it, Bill, with other a minute to go in the Bulls in front, by 11. They have made the plays when they have to, Bill. Derek Rolle with a two-handed Tomahawk slam right through the lane. He saw a seam and threw it down. Put him in the all-star game, William. Put him in the all-star game. He deserves it. Derek Rose has retired from the NBA. We're talking about it here on The Cap and J-Hood Morning Show on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. If you're hoping that you're going to have a great Thursday, it's a deal-breakers Thursday here on Cap and J-Hood. We'll have that for you at 8.35. Cap, we're with you till 10 o'clock and then Mike Greenberg comes in at 10, followed by Carmen Yurco from 12 to 12.30 in the Golden Hammock. And then White Sox baseballs that take on the Angels. The White Sox, could they actually lose and have the worst one-loss record in the modern day in baseball. They've been winning so far, they'll never lose again. Socks and Angels at 12.30 right here on ESPN 1000, Waterloo and Sylvie at 4.30 in to Bears Weekly with Jeff and Tom and then Black Nubdala at 7.30. We ought to just start the season over, Socks are just starting to get hot. Looks like any hot. Hey, we had a good time last night out at few bourbon, I've been Evanston, it was the whole on-air team and we had a blast, a blast. So thank you to them. It was just a lot of fun, man. Absolutely, a lot of fun there. Thanks so much for having the crew. It's very rare that we could all get together, all the hosts together and some of the staff, so pretty cool. Pretty cool. And then I did a podcast on the way home in the backseat of Waddles luxury vehicle. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it was me and Sylvie in the backseat. Mm. Enjoy that? We talked sports. Yeah, we had a good time, man. Mm. Let that. Yes, so Sylvie, your legs look good in those shorts. Mm. What kind of oil do you use? Mm. Take that. Wow. We're talking about Derek Rose at 312-- That's right, but you got mosquito bites. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. 312-332-ESP at 332-3776, our phone number. Yes, Cap. Derek Rose has retired from the NBA. He, right now, he has local full-page ads in the papers in which he played in Chicago, and we got to see if we get a hard copy of the Tribune, a promise in the Tribune, New York, Cleveland, Minneapolis, Detroit, and Memphis. And as we said, man, you talk about a guy that just set the city on fire. There was this lull after the Jordan era, as you well know, and a bull's basketball was lousy. Yep. Then we thought you'd get back to the top again, and then Derek Rose comes along. You get the number one pick, you get that lucky ping-pong ball, and just for the time that he was here, people just embraced him because not just because he was a great player and the youngest MVP we've ever seen, but also he's from here and really took the bull to another level. Derek was a guy who, his ad that he took out. I'm not going to read the whole thing. It's lengthy, but where he talked about the cultures and the things he got to experience because of his success in basketball were things he never would have imagined, traveling the world, experiencing different types of, I remember I was talking to him once and he was talking about, oh man, the foods I'm getting to eat and the different things I'm sampling. He's like, I never thought I was a skittles guy. Remember? Yeah, skittles and just, you know, Kool-Aid, and a guy's body right. Correct. Yeah. I remember that. By the way, I'm a little disappointed in you. In fact, I'm downright devastated by you. Good. Stand in line. 2003, 2004, 25 minutes a game, played 56 games, averaged 9.6 points per game for the Chicago Bulls, number 13. Kendall Gill. Oh, he did play here. For a year, I forgot. Under what coaching staff? I don't know. Who was that coach? You know, 304. Would that have been Cartwright? Oh, that's dark ears. Yeah. How did Cartwright coach stop this foot because he couldn't speak? Right. Had to have Pete Myers call the plays. You recall this, right? Yeah. He couldn't, because he couldn't yell. I did play here. The Chicago Bulls head coach, Bill Cartwright, finished 23 and 59. With his fault. Yeah. And he took over Cartwright when Scott Skyles stepped down in season. Ah, yes, yes, yes. No, I forgot. You know what? My bad. There you go. I put a dollar in the coffer. All right, let's go back to the phone lines, listening on the ESPN Chicago app in Denver, Colorado. Here's Jay-Z. Jay-Z's with us. Ragh O'Fella, y'all. On ESPN 1000, Jay-Z, good morning. What's up, boys? Thanks for that intro. Love it. So someone having watched D-Rows grow up, you know, through high school college and the pros, like most of us have, I would love to see the Bulls bring them back for a one day contract. I think that would be super cool. Me too. One guys, you guys left out. I'm not sure if you guys mentioned him or not, but having grown up across from Richard's high school, do you guys know what I'm about to say? Yeah, the name we mentioned at 707, we mentioned him already. Oh, you guys did. All right. Well, that's good. I didn't hear you guys. Yes, dad. I didn't hear you guys. I just told who you about that. Well, no, I was just going to mention him and Jay-Z, that qualifies because, yes, he was here, but it was tumultuous when he was here. He just did not care. He got the money, but it was good for him to come home for a year. But that was just when you see behind the scenes, some of these podcasts and what Wade talks about now, he took over that locker room in a bad way. Wade. Yeah. He was not good for the Chicago Bulls. It was him and Jimmy, right? Yeah. That was not good. No. But yes, the qualification, the question we're asking this morning is the Chicago sports athlete that played here, that played in Chicago, where does, where do you place Derek Rose amongst those and Wade qualifies? Yes. You mean that was born here, born here that played here? Correct. Like Kevin Garnett born and not born here, raised here for a year, but didn't ever play here. Yeah. By the way, Cartwright got fired 14 games and then Skyles came in. Under Kendall Gill for Kendall's one year. Okay. Yeah. What's outside on Captain Jay Hood, Dave? Good morning. Good morning, guys. How you outdoor? What's up, brother? All right. Just from the aspect of the question of, uh, greater Chicago born athlete, um, I didn't hear anybody say Ricky Henderson, uh, that was again, again, that was at, uh, at 707 as well. Yes. We mentioned it. Yep. Yeah. Well, that's how long I've been on hold. So, uh, if that's the case, then you probably should have caught it then if you weren't hold that long. Yeah. Appreciate the phone call. We go to Joey. Joey. On ESPN 1000. My list would be Marcus Chellios and Rose. Hmm. Thank you. Have a good day. Wow. Bad echo. Bad echo, Joey. Uh, he says, but just rose rose Chellios. Okay. From all, all from here that played in Chicago, and that Chicago, uh, play for Chicago sport. Another one that we didn't mention, but never, I don't believe ever played here. Markiplier. Markiplier. You agree with that? Z. They got a wire should be in the conversation. Z. Hey, Z. All right. Bye. Z. Uh, Markiplier. Eddie Johnson. I love Eddie Johnson. You're a good dude. One of the best shooters in the history of the sport. Yeah. He could flat out fill it up. Mm hmm. And he's a huge Chicago sports fan. Eddie will tell you that he was great also. Just ask him. Oh, wow. It's true. I work with him on NBA radio. He wants people to know. It's like Eddie, I already know. I know you're great, but he always likes to remind people of his numbers. He was very, very good. He came down to the right at the end. DePaul thought they were getting him. This is when they were trying to emerge. And he didn't pick them. He went to Illinois. And the next year, DePaul got the next best player on the team from the year before, who became the best Markiplier. The athletic released a list of top 10 NFL front offices. And the bears are down on the list. We'll explain why coming up next on cap and Jhood. Appreciate you guys. I listened to you just running on the ESPN 1000 app. Chicago's home for sports, ESPN Chicago. Cap and Jhood on ESPN 1000 and streaming on the ESPN Chicago app. So cap there's a piece in the athletic, the athletic.com, or do we call it the New York Times.com/athletic. What do we do with that? I just call it the athletic. Yes. Period. We'll know it by that. Correct. But it's right there. The piece is entitled, scroll up, what are the top 10 front offices in the NFL? Here's how 40 executives and coaches voted. Here's the top 10. So number one on this list, as far as front office report cards, is the Baltimore Ravens with 150 first place votes. So it goes Ravens, Chiefs, 49ers, Eagles at your top four. Then the Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers, Seattle Seahawks, LA Rams, Buffalo Bills, and the Steelers are last in this top 10 list. Now cap, we didn't expect the Chicago Bears to be on that list. But what I just want to ask you and talk to you about is for this front office for Ryan Poles and the Bears, that's something to strive for because what we just laid out is 10 excellent front offices. Interesting enough that the Ravens are one in that spot in the Chiefs or two, but nonetheless, the idea that the Bears have something to strive for because two of the 10 on this list are the Lions and the Packers. Yeah, look, you got to have some level of success. Packers obviously have. The Lions are there. Bears haven't had any success. They don't deserve to be on that list. Ryan Poles, if he was sitting here with us, would tell you, we're not one of the top 10 offices until we win. You start getting in the playoffs. Now we can have that discussion. So out of this list that I just laid out for you on the athletic, you're not going to be chief's level because you're not going to get the quarterback is not Patrick Mahomes. Just be fair. You can't win. Just got to the lake. He's not Patrick Mahomes. You'd like to know that like the next level of quarterback, great quarterback play hopefully is in Chicago. That's the hope. When we take a look at these teams, Kat, where would you like the Bears to be? It's not sure. The Chiefs are the model to me. That's number one for me, even though the Ravens are one on this list. But if you're somewhere like where how you Roseman is with with the Eagles or how the Lions are building their team or the sustainability of the Packers, hey, they're not in the they're not in the Super Bowl every year, but you go always find them in the playoffs. If you're around there, I think I'd be pretty satisfied because you're always knocking on the door. And you're a contender, but what are the Bears earned? Nothing. I understand. The conversation I'm trying to have with you is where would you like to see the Bears for the next 10 years? You'd like to see you have them to be the Chiefs, but I like the sustainability of being at least in the mix every year. Yeah, that's all I'm asking be in the mix every year and then let's see what we do. So which one of these teams would you think they'd be like, hey, you know what, the way the Packers do things because look at look at the Packers like now Malik Willis is still in it. The Seahawks, they're always, always solid. The Ravens. I'd like to be where they are. They're number one on the list. They don't have titles to show forth that for a long time. The Steelers on the list, the Bills on the list, I'd like to be right worth any of those teams. Josh Allen, like to have a Josh Allen type guy that you can build with. Yeah. Hopefully we have our guy. That's what. That's what I'm looking at here. When I saw that list, I said, well, there's no controversy here because the Bears wouldn't be on there, but all I've ever asked as a fan is for the Bears not to have what silly would consider the pop up championships. Surprise. We're in the playoffs. And then the next year, you're back to six and 11. No, that sucks. Correct. The build on it. If you don't build on your success, you're going two steps backwards cap. That means you don't have a good organization agreed. You just have one time to be in the playoffs, and then you just go disappear for four or five years or decade. In this case, what the Bears haven't been the playoffs is the once in 10 years or last time was 18. No, they were in there with Mitch twice, Mitch twice, 18, and then they lost to New Orleans. Yes. So twice. I try to erase those bad memories, cab. I try. I try to erase those memories. If you think like the Cubs, Theo had sustained success. He went to three straight NLCSs 15, 16, 17, now it hasn't been great since then. The Blackhawks, they had a decade of sustained success. They got deep loss to the Red Wings, then they won it, then they were a contender and a contender and they won it and a contender and they won it since then it hadn't been great. But there was a, I would like to have a 10 year run with the Bears. We go, wow, every year in the playoffs and made it to a Super Bowl and one one. It just keeps us hungry as a fan base too. Correct. And should keep the Bears hungry as an organization saying, okay, we're in the tournament, as they say, we're in the tournament, we're in the mix. And then we fall short. Okay. What can we build on to get back in there again? That's what I want badly for the Bears. Agreed. 100%. To be one of these franchises here and like with the Steelers, and I know we have Steelers fans here in the building and I know that they're disenchanted with the Steelers because it's like, oh, we should be much better than this. What about the legacy of the Steelers? I mean, at least you're in there. Totally agree. At least you're in the, in the, yeah, every year, you know, saw a coach with like Mike Tomlin, your organization will not sell for less. You're going to be at least a nine win team. They're already three and oh out of nowhere. Tragically, come on, Cap. That's what I want for the Bears. 3 1 2 3 3 2 ESPN is our phone number Sean and Bartlett on cap and J hood. Sean. Good morning. Hey, what's up, Sean? What's up, Sean? What's up, brother? So I want to talk about, I think that Derek knows the Hall of Famer. A lot of people say that he's not a Hall of Famer. There's no shot. He's not going to make me a Hall of Famer? No, no shot. So he'd be the first MVP to not be a Hall of Famer. That's correct. Yeah. But look at his whole, his whole thing, his whole resume at Stimmy on, then he went to the final hole with Memphis, Memphis was nothing before him and then he was in the Olympics also. I don't know. I think he's going to make it. No. He just got, he's got too many athletes. I, I know that he like, but I mean, that dude used to play like his life was on the line. I mean, he would go to the hole with reckless. Yeah. He was, he, he, he's not, he's not making the Hall of Fame. No shot. No. It's unfortunate, Sean. They'd say healthy you would have. It's the injury, Sean. That's, that's the whole thing. I understand, listen, ring of honor for the Chicago Bulls without question, but as far as Hall of Fame, I read the numbers to cap. I mean, his career relates to a bunch of non-Hall of Famer's, Monta Ellis, who was, who was great. He was the guy before, um, Steph Curry at Golden State, Dana Barrows and Wesley Person and Vinnie Del Negro, Eric Snow, like that's, that's where his numbers equate to. And those are not Hall of Famers. Shout out no shot in two minutes on Captain Jay Hood.