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Yeah, look, I mean, I agree with you that I do feel bad for Bryce Young, but I really think, and it's awful that we're just through two weeks of the season, and they're benching the quarterback that they traded up number one overall, all the things that they give up. Everybody knows it's crazy that we've had three trades for quarterbacks in the last couple of, like, few years from Russell Wilson trade, the Deshawn Watson trade, and this trade-up for Bryce Young, and it's like, man, all three of those have to suffer for some of the worst trades of all time. I think because of the Watson disgustingness and also the contract they gave them, I think that's got to be the worst one, but until the Browns find a way to scam their way out of paying his guarantees and all of that stuff. There will be no justice for that, but I do think this Bryce Young one will compete to be one of the worst trades in NFL history. And it's awful that we arrived this point this quickly, but man, James Carolina had no choice but to do this because, and this was my first, when you started seeing this percolating around some like Panthers reporters yesterday, and with the kind of the idea of, oh, they might have to do this because otherwise they're going to lose the locker room. Totally. Yes, totally. That's when you know it's it's beyond over because teams can lie to you all the time. Teams can lie to you about Christian McCaffrey's preseason injury or Pukunakua's preseason injury. They can lie to you as to like why they trade a player. They can lie to other teams. They can lie to players, you know, that they don't want to give deals to or whatever and free to see, like, oh, we're not trading you, but then we do trade. You just don't think the one thing you can't do is lie to the guys about what's happening on Sunday. And I think it is just so apparent that when you watch the Panthers, the problem is Bryce Young. Like, because here's the thing, man, we've seen with our eyes, like Dave can Alice call a good offense. We've seen with our eyes, Deontay Johnson and Brian and Adam deal and be productive players in the NFL very, very recently. What we've never seen is Bryce Young be I'm not even just league average. I mean, not even below league average, just like acceptable quarterback play. And what's happening out there is just not acceptable football. So they really had no choice but to make this move. It's really interesting too. It's so different than like, let's say like a Zach Wilson or one of these other turnover prone quarterbacks that just has that they've got no business being on the football field. There is something happening between the ears for Bryce Young, right? Because I think when you watch him mechanically, it kind of sort of still makes sense, right? Like, you could envision him being a starting quarterback in this in this league. He doesn't have the for again, I just bring up Zach Wilson because you only need to watch Zach Wilson for about, I don't know, maybe three games before you realize there's this guy's got no chance. He doesn't see the field. He's throwing picks. And some of these turnovers are just like, Oh my God, they're so bad. He's got no pocket presence. He's getting sacked all over the place. He's just has it just he doesn't have the tools. Bryce Young, while he lacks upper echelon tools, to me has the tools to at least be a functional quarterback, but he's not a functional quarterback because man, he absolutely cannot throw it when he sees it. He's got this hesitation. And he just cannot pull the trigger. It reminds me a lot of what Toa was going through early on in his career as well. And man, it just it I feel bad for Bryce Young because again, I know we're piling on in the in the Twitter sphere is piling on like I get it, you know, but because he's played bad, he's played poorly. But it's just there's part of me that just when I watch him play, I'm like, yeah, he can still make the reads. He can still make the throws, but he just can't pull the trigger. And that's I think why they had to bench him. And by the way, I think the fact that he can't pull the trigger, I think that does have a big reason as to why his team and his past catcher staff kind of sort of given up on him. They're like, bro, we're open. Just throw the ball. You're open. Yeah, you know, we're just throw the ball. Just throw the damn ball. And he and he absolutely cannot do it. Okay. What does this mean though for Deontay Johnson? I just say one thing that I disagree with you about. I just disagree with you that that he has it physically. I don't think I don't think he has it physically. I think this pick was screwed from the jump because he's five 10 sub 200 pounds, whatever. I totally agree with that as well. And and when you watch Bryce Young play, he doesn't have he does not have it like a live arm, right? You watch Kyler Murray playing. Oh, yeah, he's he's small, right? Kyler Murray small. But like the things that Kyler Murray was doing on Sunday against the Rams, you know, to get out of pressure, reset his platform and whip that thing down to Marvin Harrison Jr, who turns out, by the way, good football player. All time week, whatever reaction all time week to overcorrection for Marvin Harrison Jr. in that game. So that was pretty electric. But you know, my point here is back Kyler Murray, you know, you see him do those things. I mean, Bryce Young couldn't couldn't fathom doing those things in his wildest fantasies. And like the guy is actually throwing from his tippy toes at times. I mean, that is a thing that is happening on an NFL field. It's just right so beyond the pale. So I think he would have had to be to your point, he would have had to be perfect mentally, perfectly confident, perfectly daring. And I think also from a pre snap and post snap perspective, he would have had to be perfect between the ears to maximize what he is as a physical player. And he's so far from that it's almost it's almost jarring. So it was a bad pick because you're betting on perfection from all of these little things from a young quarterback, right? And I mean, look, look what we're seeing with, we'll talk about the bears in a second. Look at what we're seeing with Caleb Williams, a far more gifted quarterback. Right. He's not there. He's not ready to carry that mental load just yet. And this point in a Bryce Young's career, there's nothing physically and nothing mentally to think that this could happen. So maybe some time on the bench will be what he needs. I don't know. I kind of doubt it. I think when I talk about the physicality for Bryce Young, all I'm talking about is, you know, in a lot of ways I talked about this in the previous episode, it's like if I were to describe an undersized quarterback with an average or maybe even a below average arm with limited pocket mobility, am I describing Bryce Young or am I describing Gardner Minshew and just given those traits, you couldn't, there's no way you could you could tell, right? Yeah. And and what's scary, Matt, is at this point, who is not going to say they would rather have Gardner Minshew than Bryce? Oh, God. Yeah, I know. There's not a person. There's not a football person who like actually watches who there's no way somebody's taking Bryce Young ahead of Gardner Minshew right now. Right. And so, and so again, when I talk about like, you know, he's got some of the physical tools to play at a starter level, what I mean by that is a low, a very low level starter. I don't think he's, you know, again, I've never thought that he could play at a high level just because again, the physical limitations, but you know, he's got a lot more accuracy than I think Gardner Minshew does, even though Minshew right now is has a high, you know, completion percentage and all those kinds of things. But bottom line is, man, I think he's got a little bit more, he's got a little bit more juice than Gardner Minshew and Gardner Minshew is a low level starter in this league. Can Bryce Young be that guy? I think so, but that's, that's an awfully low ceiling when we're talking about the number one dot one pick, you know, so obviously they whiffed Carolina did, but just moving forward Carolina now with Andy Dalton at the helm. I hate to say it, but man, I think Carolina's gonna be significantly better. You got a veteran quarterback. His arm is definitely shot for sure at this point in his career, but can he be a functional quarterback for some of these pass catchers in Carolina? I think Dave can also coach him up a little bit. Yeah, I think what we're gonna see here, I don't know that Carolina is suddenly going to become, you know, one of the best offenses in the league or really even a good offense, but I think it will be an adult offense with Andy Dalton out there. Man, I, by the way, just to, I mean, there wasn't that long ago, literally last year, the one game that Andy Dalton started for Bryce Young last season was the best Panthers quarterback game probably in the last like three years from passing from passing yardage. That's actually true. He actually has the most passing yards as a Panthers starting quarterback the last few seasons. So that's not even a crazy thing to say. It's also brutal that Baker Bayfield, Sam Darnell, you boy, Sam Darnell, all these guys that have run through the Panthers building are just out there getting maximized by play callers and Bryce Young has Dave Canales here, the guy who did well with Baker last year get to a damn thing. So I don't know. I think we'll see, you know, this is definitely still not a perfect situation. The tackle play has not been great. I don't think Canales has given them enough. I want to say just like checkdowns like easy throws for Bryce Young when he's under pressure. I don't think that's been quite present enough in the offense. I think that's going to have to be there with Andy Dalton, but I also think Andy Dalton will get through those reads quicker. He's just seen a lot. He's a veteran quarterback. He's whatever Bryce Young lacks between the years at this point. Like Dalton definitely has a long catalog of seen it been there, done that. So I do think that for guys like Deontay Johnson, for guys like Adam Thiel and Xavier LeGette, we're going to see what these guys actually can bring in a normal NFL offense. I'll also say this about Carolina as an organization. Obviously, they made a huge mistake in drafting Bryce Young, but I actually think that they approached this off season the right way. And this decision that they made, I think, is absolutely the right move as well. The fact that they go and they're like, all right, we got to rehab this quarterback. So we're going to go get Dave Canales, who's done it with Gino Smith, who's done it with Baker Mayfield. These guys are now, they pulled in $100 million contracts after Dave Canales. So you've got that going. We need more pass-catchers. We're going to draft one. We're going to draft a big-bodied wide receiver who can make some plays after the catch in Xavier LeGette. We're going to go draft a guy who's a natural separator, one of the best separators in the league who can get open and give a clear picture and a clear window to our quarterback in Deontay Johnson. So they approached this off-season to me. I think they approached it in the absolute best way that they possibly could have. And again, it's a team that absolutely, and we've seen this a million times in the NFL, Matt, teams just wait. It's the hubris that takes over. They wait, and they wait, and they wait, and it's week 10 and their season is over. This, they've pulled this trigger after week two, and again, if we're going to slam the Carolina Panthers and they deserve to be slammed, you got to give them props for what they did in this off-season in the early part in terms of the decision-making at the high level as well. Yep, I think they've done the best they could in this situation. You can nitpick. I didn't necessarily love Xavier LeGette as a round-one player. I think that there were some mistakes along the way. They definitely overpaid some of those players on the interior, but they had to get better there. They had to get somebody in the building that can get it done. I will give Dave Canal specifically a lot of credit for this. This guy is going into game number three as the head coach here and is benching a quarterback that you know that the owner, I think, screwed the last head coach on. I mean, well, I'll never forget Frank Reich staring at CJ's job. He was his son. It is pro day. I don't care what you tell me. You will never get me to believe that Frank Reich and those guys wanted to take Bryce Young. I think the GM and the owner wanted to take Bryce Young, and that's why I happened. For Dave Canal is to have both the stones and the cachet to be like, nope, we're not doing this anymore. I think there's a chance that Bryce Young gets back on the field for the Panthers. I think there's also an equally real chance that he is not even on the roster by the end of the season. I could see him being a guy that they try to trade at the deadline just like, hey, give us anything so we can just wash our hands and start over. I could see that as well. Bryce Young, again, the numbers obviously don't look great here. And 18 passer rating on any attempt on any pass attempt over 10 area yards and 18 rating on 10 area yards, not 15. And if you saw his week two chart, by the way, he did not throw a single pass attempt over 15 area yards, which is that's mind boggling in today's NFL. I mean, he's playing like he's, you know, this is like 1970s football. What's going on here? This is crazy. That's what's been driving the players, even in training camp, there were reports of them, like reporters asking the coaches and the players like, why aren't we pushing the ball down field at all? And it's like, well, we get to the games and the quarterback can't and or won't do it. 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