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I mean, I feel bad for him, but in a way too, man, this was a little bit overdue, especially after the first couple of weeks. I'm glad they ripped the Band-Aid off here in Carolina. Going to Andy Dalton as the backup is now going to be the starter. Yeah, look, I mean, I agree with you that I do feel bad for Bryce Young, but I really think and it's awful that we're just the two weeks of the season and they're benching the quarterback that they traded up number one overall, you know, all the things that they give up. Everybody knows it's crazy that we've had three trades for quarterbacks in the last, you know, couple of like few years, Russell Wilson trade, the Deshawn Watson trade and this trade up for Bryce Young and it's like, man, all three of those have to go after for some of the worst trades of all time. I think because of the Watson disgustingness and also the contract they gave, I think that's got to be the worst one, but until the Browns find a way to scam their way out of paying his guarantees and all of that stuff, like they'll, there will be no, there will be no justice for that, but I do think this Bryce Young one will, it will compete to be one of the worst trades in NFL history and like it's awful that we arrived this point this quickly, but man, James Carolina had no choice but to do this because, and this was my first, when you started seeing this percolating around some like Panthers reporters yesterday, and with the kind of the idea of, oh, they might have to do this because otherwise they're going to lose the locker room. Totally. Yes. Totally. That's when you know it's, it's beyond over because teams can lie to you all the time. Teams can lie to you about Chris McCaffrey's preseason injury or Pooka Nakuza's preseason injury. They can lie to you as to like why they trade a player. They can lie to other teams. They can lie to players, you know, that they don't want to give deals to or whatever and free to see you're like, oh, we're not trading you, but then we do trade you this whole thing. The one thing you can't do is lie to the guys about what's happening on Sunday. And I think it is just so apparent that when you watch the Panthers, the problem is Bryce Young, like, because here's the thing, man, we've seen with our eyes, like Dave can Alice call a good offense. We've seen with our eyes, Deontae Johnson and Brian and Adam Thiel and be productive players in the NFL very, very recently. Right. What we've never seen is Bryce Young be, I'm not even just league average. I mean, not even below league average, just like acceptable quarterback play. And what's happening out there is just not acceptable football. So they really had no choice, but to make this move. It's really interesting too. It's so different than like, let's say like a Zach Wilson or one of these other turnover prone quarterbacks that just has that they've got no business being on the football field. There is something happening between the ears for Bryce Young, right? Because I think when you watch him mechanically, it kind of sort of still makes sense, right? Like, you could envision him being a starting quarterback in this league. He doesn't have the, again, I just bring up Zach Wilson because you only need to watch Zach Wilson for about, I don't know, maybe three games before you realize this guy's got no chance. He doesn't see the field. He's throwing picks and some of these turnovers are just like, oh my God, they're so bad. He's got no pocket presence. He's getting sacked all over the place. He's just has, he doesn't have the tools. Bryce Young, while he lacks upper echelon tools, to me has the tools to at least be a functional quarterback, but he's not a functional quarterback because, man, he absolutely cannot throw it when he sees it. He's got this hesitation and he just cannot pull the trigger. It reminds me a lot of what tool was going through early on in his career as well. Man, it just, I feel bad for Bryce Young because again, I know we're piling on in the, in the Twitter sphere is piling on like, I get it, you know, but because he's played bad. He's played poorly. But it's just, there's part of me that just when I watch him play, I'm like, yeah, he can still make the reads. He can still make the throws, but he just can't pull the trigger. And that's I think why they had to bench him. And by the way, I think the fact that he can't pull the trigger, I think that does have a big reason as to why his team and his pass catcher staff kind of sort of given up on him. They're like, bro, we're open. Just throw the ball. You're open. Yeah. You know, we're just throw the ball. Just throw the damn ball. And he, and he absolutely cannot do it. Okay. What does this mean though for Deontay Johnson? Can I kind of say one thing that I disagree with you about? I just disagree with you that, that he has it physically. I don't think, I don't think he has it physically. I think this pick was screwed from the jump because he's five, ten sub 200 pounds, whatever. I totally agree with that as well. And when you watch Bryce Young play, he doesn't have, he does not have like a live arm, right? You watch Kyler Murray playing. Oh, yeah. He's he's small, right? Kyler Murray small, but like the things that Kyler Murray was doing on Sunday against the Rams, you know, to get out of pressure, reset his platform and whip that thing down to Marvin Harrison, Jr. who turns out, by the way, good football player, we'll see that one. We went over reaction all time week to over-correction for Marvin Harrison, Jr. in that game. So that was pretty electric. But you know, my point here is back Kyler Murray, you know, you see him do those things. I mean, Bryce Young couldn't, couldn't fathom doing those things in his wildest fantasies. And like the guy is actually throwing from his tippy toes at times. I mean, that is a thing that is happening on an NFL field. It's just so beyond the pale. So I think he would have had to be, to your point, he would have had to be perfect mentally, perfectly confident, perfectly daring. And I think also from a pre snap and post snap perspective, he would have had to be perfect between the ears to maximize what he is as a physical player. And he's so far from that it's almost, it's almost jarring. So it was a bad pick because you're betting on perfection from all of these little things from a young quarterback. Right. And I mean, look, look what we're seeing with Kyler. We'll talk about the bears in a second. Look at what we're seeing with Caleb Williams, a far more gifted quarterback, right? He's not there. He's not ready to carry that mental load just yet. And this point to Bryce Young's career, there's nothing physically and nothing mentally to think that this could happen. So maybe some time on the bench will be what he needs. I don't know. I kind of doubt it. I think when I talk about the physicality for Bryce Young, all I'm talking about is, you know, in a lot of ways I talked about this in the previous episode, it's like, if I were to describe an undersized quarterback with an average or maybe even a below average arm with limited pocket mobility, am I describing Bryce Young or am I describing Gardner Menchoo? And just given those traits, you couldn't, there's no way you could tell, right? Yeah. And what's scary, Matt, is at this point, who is not going to say they would rather have Gardner Menchoo than Bryce Young? Oh, God, yeah, I know. There's not a person. There's not a football person who like actually watches. There's no way somebody's taking Bryce Young ahead of Gardner Menchoo right now, right? And so, and so again, when I talk about like, you know, he's got some of the physical tools to play at a starter level, what I mean by that is a low, a very low level starter. I don't think he's, you know, again, I've, I've never thought that he could play at a high level just because, again, the physical limitations, but, you know, he's got a lot more accuracy than I think Gardner Menchoo does, even though Menchoo right now is, has a high, you know, completion percentage and all those kinds of things. But bottom line is, man, I think he's got a little bit more, he's got a little bit more juice than Gardner Menchoo, and Gardner Menchoo is a low level starter in this league. Can Bryce Young be that guy? I think so. But that's, that's an awfully low ceiling when we're talking about the number one dot one pick, you know, so obviously they whiffed Carolina did, but just moving forward Carolina now with Andy Dalton at the helm. I hate to say it, but man, I think Carolina's going to be significantly better. You got a veteran quarterback. His arm is definitely shot for sure at this point in his career, but can he be a functional quarterback for some of these pass catchers in Carolina? I think Dave can also coach him up a little bit. Yeah, I think what we're going to see here, I don't know that Carolina is suddenly going to become, you know, one of the best offenses in the league or really even a good offense, but I think it will be an adult offense with Andy Dalton out there. Man, by the way, just to, I mean, there wasn't that long ago, literally last year, the one game that Andy Dalton started for Bryce Young last season was the best Panthers quarterback game probably in the last like three years from from passing from passing yardage. That's actually true. That's the most passing yards as a Panthers starting quarterback the last few seasons. So that's not even a crazy thing to say. It's also brutal that Baker Bayfield, Sam Darnell, you boy Sam Darnell, all these guys that have run through the Panthers building are just out there getting maximized by play callers and Bryce Young has Dave Canales here, the guy who did well with Baker last year get to a damn thing. So I don't know, I think we'll see, you know, this is definitely still not a perfect situation. The tackle play has not been great. I don't think Canales has given them enough. I want to say just like checkdowns like easy throws for Bryce Young when he's under pressure. I don't think that's been quite present enough in the offense. I think that's going to have to be there with Andy Dalton, but I also think Andy Dalton will get through those reads quicker. He's just seen a lot. He's a veteran quarterback. He's whatever Bryce Young lacks between the years at this point, like Dalton definitely has a long catalog of seen it been there, done that. So I do think that for guys like Deontae Johnson, for guys like Adam Thiel, and Xavier Laguette, we're going to see what these guys actually can bring in a normal NFL offense. I'll also say this about Carolina as an organization. Obviously they made a huge mistake in drafting Bryce Young, but I actually think that they approach this off season the right way. And this decision that they made I think is absolutely the right move as well. The fact that they go and they're like, all right, we got to rehab this quarterback. So we're going to go get Dave Canales, who's done it with Gino Smith, who's done it with Baker Mayfield. These guys are now, they pulled in $100 million contracts after Dave Canales. So you've got that going, we need more pass-catchers. Okay. We're going to draft one. We're going to draft a big-bodied wide receiver who can make some plays after the catch and Xavier Laguette. We're going to go draft a guy who's a natural separator, one of the best separators in the league who can get open and give a clear picture and a clear window to our quarterback in Deontay Johnson. So they approach this off season to me. I think they approached it in the absolute best way that they possibly could have, right? Yeah. And again, this is, it's a team that absolutely, and we've seen this a million times in the NFL, Matt, teams just wait. It's the hubris that takes over, they wait, and they wait, and they wait, and it's week 10 and their season is over, right? This they've pulled this trigger after week two, and again, I, you know, if we're going to slam the Carolina Panthers and they deserve to be slammed, you got to give them props for, you know, what they did in this off season in early part in terms of the decision-making at the high level as well. Yep. I think this, they've done the best they could in this situation. You know, you can nitpick. That didn't necessarily love Xavier Legetta's around one player. You know, I think that there was some mistakes along the way. They definitely overpaid some of those players on the interior, but they had to get better there. They had to get somebody in the building that can get it done. I will give Dave Canal specifically a lot of credit for this. This guy is, you know, going into game number three is the head coach here and is benching a quarterback that you know that the owner, I think, screwed the last head coach on. I mean, well, I'll never forget, you know, Frank Reich staring at CJ Stravak. He was his son, you know, it is pro day and like you can, I don't care. I don't care what you tell me there. You will. You will never get me to believe that Frank Reich and those guys wanted to take Bryce Young. I think the GM and the owner wanted to take Bryce Young and that's why I happened. And so for for Dave Canal is to have kind of both the stones and the cache to be like, Nope, we are we're not doing this anymore. You know, I there's a chance that I think there's a chance there's a chance that Bryce Young gets back on the field for the Panthers. I think there's also like an equally real chance that he is not even on the roster by the end of the season. Like I could see him being a guy that they try to trade at the deadline just like, Hey, give us anything so we can just wash our hands and start over. I could see that as well. Bryce Young, again, some of the numbers obviously don't look great here in 18 past the rating on any attempt on any past attempt over 10 area yards and 18 rating on 10 area yards, not 15. And if you saw his week two chart, by the way, he did not throw a single past attempt over 15 area yards, which is that's mind boggling in today's NFL. I mean, he's playing like he's, you know, this is like 1970s football. What's going on here? This is crazy. But that's what's been driving the players, even in training camp, there were reports of them, like reporters asking the coaches and the players like, why aren't we pushing the ball down field at all? And it's like, well, we get to the games and the quarterback can't and or won't do it. Yeah, I think he won't do it is probably the problem here. Okay. You talk about this Carolina Panthers team. You can't just help but think about the Bears too, because obviously the trade and doing all those kinds of things. But can we talk about the Bears offense moving forward? You know how I just told you that Bryce Young had an 18 pass rating on any pass attempt over 10 yards. You know, Caleb Williams, Caleb Williams has a zero point two rating on any pass attempt over 10 ariards 10 what he is three of 17 on these pass attempts for 52 yards, zero touchdowns and two picks. Oh my goodness. Caleb Williams, what happened to my guy, Caleb Williams, the former Heisman Trophy winner, he looks absolutely lost in the woods. I thought week two, he took a step forward, but it doesn't matter. It's a step forward from zero. You know what I mean? Like week one, he was absolutely atrocious and week two, he did take a step forward, but man still looked overall pretty bad. When you need meal time inspiration, it's worth shopping king supers for thousands of appetizing ingredients that inspire countless mouthwatering meals. And no matter what tasty choice you make, you'll enjoy our everyday low prices plus extra ways to save like digital coupons worth over $600 each week and up to $1 off per gallon at the pump with points so you can get big flavors and big savings king supers fresh for everyone. Fewer restrictions apply. Man, yeah, I went to look, you know, for some hideous panther stats and stuff like that to prep for shows and things and you go there to the overall, like a bunch of offensive efficiency metrics and the panthers are actually 31st and net yards per attempt because the bears are 2.6 net yards per pass attempt if you're not familiar with like net yards per pass attempt is because of the sacks and things like that. That's been the biggest problem. Oh man, I am very concerned about this bears offense and you know, I'm not giving up on Caleb Williams. I'm not giving up on the season for the Chicago Bears, but I am definitely very, very disturbed by what I've seen from an offensive perspective with the Chicago Bears so far this year. The biggest thing for me, James, and this kind of dawned on me because I had the Seahawks Patriots game on one of my screens yesterday in the early window and there's like 10 flip in games, you know, I got a pick and it's like, well, I guess this one's available to me. I'm taking this one. So watching that and, you know, I just, it dawns on me because I'm sitting there watching this game, especially as the game goes on and, you know, DK Metcalf and JSN are popping off. I'm like, man, this offense, it has so many layups built into it in Seattle this year and they have so many answers to pressure. They have so many answers to the blitz. You know, Keon White, who plays for the Patriots was balling in this game, but Geno was still able to find some outlet throws. I thought you know, played a great game against the Patriots as well. So it just, I'm thinking these things about, wow, they have all these answers to pressure. They have all these answers to the blitz. They have all these quick throws that just make sense in the offense. And then I watched the Bears offense on Sunday night and I'm like, holy hell, they don't have an answer to anything. This is from next-gen stats. The Texans blitz the Bears on 42% of Williams's dropbacks. That was the highest blitz rate over the last two seasons for the Houston Texans in any D'Amico Ryan's game. Williams, by the way, amassed 15 yards on those plays and took five sacks and goodness. I mean, atrocious fit, dude, 15 yards. And the reason I compare that to the Seahawks is because, oh, who was the Seahawks offensive coordinator last year when they could not protect? And it was just, oh, Geno, you're back there kind of fighting for your life and they're getting the ball out on third down. They have no answers to like third down blitz packages. Well, that was Shane Waldron. That's right. Where does Shane Waldron work now, James Co? That would be the Chicago Bears, my friend. Yes. Oh, man, it was just startling to me because it felt very 2023 Seattle Seahawks-ish just instead of a veteran quarterback who I think has developed into one of the better kind of in pocket manipulators and a guy that's just willing to hang in there under pressure and let a little bit. You've got a rookie quarterback in his second in his second game that I think you're putting way too much on from a protection standpoint. And also just does not have the experience to sit there because this is his second game in the NFL to sit there under pressure and fire it downfield. So it's a real mess, but I do think the issues start up front for Chicago. Yeah. And it's different than like, let's say Jalen Hurts who had a Hall of Fame Center in Jason Kelsey. You know what I mean? It's like, it almost feels as if I'm not saying they need a Jason Kelsey style Hall of Fame Center, but man, they need somebody to call out protections, you know, kind of like Jason Kelsey did for Jalen Hurts early in his career, you know what I mean? Right now, Caleb Williams is under pressure. He's under the gun and he's just, it seems like he's scrambling a lot. He did so much of a better job in week two, actually planting his feet and throwing the football with authority, right? And when he does that, man, he looks awesome. I think he looks great. Like he can get it to any part of the football field when he sets his feet and fires that football problem is man, he starts the longer the game goes, the less and less he does that because his feet just get happy because he's constantly under pressure. So I don't know, look, it's a, I feel like it's a little bit of a top down meltdown in Chicago, right? You're talking about Shane Waldron doesn't have answers in the playbook. I totally agree with that. Protections up front are not being set. Caleb Williams is a little bit of a mess. And yeah, it's just, like I said, just all the way down from Shane Waldron all the way down to Caleb Williams, man, like in the offensive line, it's just all of it to mess. And this is the result you've got, you know, it's mad. It's crazy. It is crazy watching Caleb Williams flounder like this, Matt, because, oh, let me just say this, if, if Caleb Williams doesn't work out, bro, like the Chicago Bears legitimately might be cursed because they did everything right. They did everything right. Like you go get this athletic strong arm quarterback with the, with the number one overall pick, you go trade for a, a Pro Bowl level possession receiver and Keenan Allen, then you go and and make that move to go get Romo Dunes A as well. Man, they did everything right, Matt, to help this situation. And it's still absolutely unworkable. So let's, let's relitigate that off season though. And this sort of analysis of, and I, cause I was talking about it last night, I'm sure I said it on this show. I'm sure we said it together. I know I've said it other place then. And I know that the industry at whole kind of said this, which was, oh, this is the best situation we've ever seen a rookie quarterback go into. And the biggest thing that I think the, why, why people said that is because of the past catchers and because this defense played well at the end of the last, at the end of last year, and this was not a team that earned the number one overall pick. They earned a top 10 pick, but not the number one overall pick. So it wasn't some disaster class like Jacksonville, which, you know, four years into Trevor Lawrence's career. And that still looks like a shit show. So it wasn't one of those type of situations, of course, by the way, the Panthers, you could have said the same thing about them and that turned out for them. But like, I think when you look at the receivers right now, first of all, Keenan Allen's not even playing. Of course. Somebody pointed out to me last night that Keenan Allen's hurt. So instead you've got a bunch of targets going to like DeAndre Carter and Gerald Everett, and they can't protect upfront. Doesn't that sound like every bad Chargers offense that we've watched over the last few years? Oh, by the way, they can't run the ball like either. I was like, Oh my God. Yeah, that is the Chargers. They just don't have Justin Herbert. They have a rookie quarterback who's not ready for this moment. Roma Dunes is also playing through an MCL injury right now where I don't know what he's doing out there last night because I went back and charted Roma Dunes in the first two games. I thought he was great in week one against the Titans. He had one kind of bad drop through contact, but thought he got off the line of scrimmage really well. I thought he settled against zone coverage in perfect windows is just Oh, those who cares about those windows because your quarterback's already in chaos mode back there. I thought in week two against the Texans, he dealt with physical press coverage on the outside really well. I think Rome looks great. He definitely looked hobbled in week two playing through that knee injury, especially against zone coverage down the field. He had that one target in the end zone that I think he was getting interfered with. He also probably could have played it better. Maybe he's not healthy. I also think Caleb could have put that ball on a better spot too. So that was kind of the only real moment that people focused on because otherwise I thought he had one good run after catch opportunity. Like I think Rome is looking great, but he's also banged up. Keenan's not out there. So they didn't even have the pass catchers that people thought also was it not a little just overzealous to, you know what, we'll just take another receiver ninth overall. We'll just we'll just trade something for Keenan Allen, like let's just go get pass catchers because who cares about those receivers, bro, because they can't protect that interior of the offensive line was definitely an area where they yada yada a little bit. So yeah, but Matt, but Matt, I mean, again, I hear what you're saying, but look at what New Orleans is doing, right? Their offensive line was supposed to be one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. Yeah. Right. When you have a coordinator who can figure it out, it's it's shockingly it is shocking how easy it is to kind of sort of game plan around that. And I'm not saying that every every coordinator in every spot is going to be like this, but man, it does happen where the offensive line can be devalued just a little bit. If you've got the right guys in place and a right game plan in place to again, work around that. Oh, I totally agree with you. And that's also where I was going to go next, which is when we talk about they did everything right, I think they blew it from a coaching perspective because you go and and it's almost twofold and I kind of feel bad for banging on Matt Eberfluice here. But think about like, think about what this year was for Matt Eberfluice. They barely kind of decided to bring him back. Right. I mean, there was definitely some some consternation about it. Was he truly a great head coach or did his defense have a good run at the end of last year? Totally open question. And I think at this point, if the season continues going this way, they're going to fire Matt Eberfluice and start that classic cycle of bears quarterbacks, which is, okay, we'll probably keep the GM, but he's going to have a new coach. He's going to be learning new offense. And even if you like them keeping Matt Eberfluice, yeah, why, why didn't you just hire Clint Kubiak? You mentioned the Saints, right? Like, why, why did we go with Shane Waldron who there's a proof of concept just last year of him letting an offense go to rot and not having answers? I think that was pretty, pretty easy to see, honestly. Yeah, and then additionally, bring it back to the receivers here. I mean, I guess I'm just going to probably go to my grave thinking like, why does no team use DJ Moore as a layup route player where they just get him in space? I guess I'm just going to die wondering why that never happened probably because DJ Moore is maybe never played for a good offensive coordinator. I don't think he has. I don't think he has. I think Joe Brady's a good offensive coordinator, but I mean, he kind of got scapegoated by Matt Ruhl. He did mostly blame that but on Matt Ruhl, but even Joe Brady, I think used old DJ Moore as like kind of a vertical ecstasy. So I don't know, man. I watched DJ Moore. I think that should be like your quarterback hits his back foot. And that guy should be his first read and it should be an easy route and let him go create after the catch. Because I always said he's not Deebo Samuel. You don't want to give him running back carries, but he's one of those guys that is so instinctual after the catch and continually makes the first guy miss. Why are we not just peppering him with layup targets? Oh, instead we are literally designing targets for like DeAndre Swift and DeAndre Carter and Gerald Everett like a bunch of dudes that people know who their names are, but they're not actually do I don't even say they're not even needle movers. I don't even think these guys are like helpful players on the field right now. So it's just that's that's where I'm like, did they really set this guy up for success? Because I think he's just it just is so apparent right now. This is not a well designed offense. I think that's really what it comes down to for me and bottom line is week one, they had everybody and week one, they were an abject disaster offensively. They won that game. Sure. But that's because they had a pick six and a special teams touchdown. That's the only reason they won, you know, the offense was absolutely atrocious. It had everybody healthy and running and gun in week one and dude, it looked awful. So I mean, and the crazy thing is without keen and now and with a banked up Ramo Dinsea, I actually thought today the game in week two against the Texans actually looked a little bit better, which is sad to say because it still wasn't good. It just was such a zero from week number one. Okay. Can I stay inside that game there Matt? I don't know. Am I being a little weird? Am I being a little crazy? Am I being too judgmental? I don't know, man. Does Houston's passing game seem a little disjointed to you or again, or am I just? I don't know, man. Like, am I just tripping? Like what's going on? Cause like when I watched this team plan, I'm like, ah, this, this passing game doesn't seem as lubricated as it needs to be. You know, I know that's a weird word, but I'm just saying like it's not moving and it's not as fluid as I would expect. Yeah, they make plays every now and again. But man, there's a lot of dead plays too in Houston's offense. Yeah, I think that's totally fair. Criticism right now. I don't think they've lit the world on fire. I thought week one was a great proof of concept of what the receiver roles were, but we got to probably have a conversation pretty soon about the Colts being a historically bad run defense. I mean, they just got totally good Lord, bro. I mean, you get barreled over by Joe mix and in this Texans offense, week one, that's one thing. Then week two, you get run all over by the Packers starting Malik Willis. What'd you think they were going to do? What'd you think was coming? So I almost wonder if like, cause I thought the offense was good in week one, but they were able to stay still on schedule with the run game. And then I thought from a past game standpoint, it was just easy to sort of select plays. I do think one of the things I said in the off season was I was kind of glad that Bobby Slowick didn't just go right into a head coaching job after one good year as an offensive coordinator. Cause I think, I think his play designs are great. I think some of the sequencing is still a little bit of an issue there. And that I think leads to some of this disjointed feeling that, um, that you have here, you know, it's also worth noting that I think my guy Nico Collins looks incredible to him and see him and CJ Stroud look great. I think that is a top 10 quarterback and a top 10 wide receiver, bare minimum working together. But at the same time, uh, Collins has caught five passes on five targets for 135 yards when CJ Stroud has been under pressure this year. Um, that, that is like a, they, they, a lot of their plays have come out of structure, which I think is a credit to Nico and, and CJ Stroud for taking their games to another level. And that is a new thing for both of them, which is cool. But you also don't want them to have to consistently create, uh, out of what the structure of the office to be good, which is, I think to your kind of part here that I think, again, I think it's less so the design and the route concepts and the players, which I think are all good. I just think there are a little bit of sequencing issues and, and they did go against a good bears defense on Sunday night. That is worth noting. Yeah, and I think Tennessee's defense to, um, is definitely underrated, um, uh, excuse me, uh, week one, they played, uh, the Colts defense. I think they're past, they're, I think the Colts past defense is actually, um, a little bit underrated as well. So I don't know, we'll see. Um, and, and that was true too of this Colts defense last year, where their run, their run defense was just abysmal, but I don't know, maybe it's just because teams are just abusing them on the ground where, you know, the, the, the defense, the past defense doesn't have to do quite as much, um, to kind of sort of step forward. I don't know. Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm just, I'm just kind of sort of, you know, keeping an eye on Houston's past offense because with the addition of, uh, step on digs, I don't know, Matt, I think most people thought, all right, these guys are going to rock and roll. You know, CJ Stroud is going to rock and roll, but I think at least through two games, you know, um, it's been, you know, the, it's been a mixed bag, but we'll see, we'll see what's, we'll see what's going on. I'm just keeping a little bookmark there. That's all. Um, fair, fair, fair. I'd love to see them get tanked out a little more activated. You know, one cash. Oh my gosh. Totally. Yes. I've seen a couple of times on big shots as well. Yeah. Well, I thought, I thought that Stroud had that one pass to him that he absolutely could have caught and ran with, uh, that, uh, was just a little bit on top of them, but probably should have pulled, pulled that one down and, um, and that could have been a big gainer as well. Anyways, um, I think one of the big questions, Matt, uh, from week number two is Quentin Johnston. Man, what a revival here. We can overdo like what? He was the go to receiver here, uh, for, for the chargers and, uh, dare I say, he actually looked good in this game and certainly we are a podcast that, um, has been really down on QJ. I've gone on different, on different shows and said, I think there's a literal zero percent chance that Quentin Johnson is good and I'm going to have to eat that one because I'm not sure. But this, uh, this coaching staff, what I've been really impressed with is they are putting him in positions where he is the most comfortable. And again, he has to catch no footballs over his shoulder because he can't do that. Um, they have him coming back to the football a lot and he's just using his big body to kind of sort of box out defenders and honestly, it's helped him tremendously, but the coaching staff is really putting him in a spot where he can succeed. Yeah, I, I think it's a really nice development for them because they needed him to be better than he was last year. And like there, there's no like, oh, you guys thought this about Quentin Johnson. He was the worst receiver like that I charted last season. And I don't really even know if it was that close. He was not a useful player whatsoever to the Los Angeles Chargers last season. That just was the reality of the situation. Now, whenever, I mean, for me, whenever I say something like that, I don't think there's a zero percent chance he could ever be a useful player, and I'm not even sure he's ever going to be. Oh, he's worth what he was drafted to be or a first shot pick or anything, but he certainly looks like a useful player through the first two weeks of this season. And I think that, you know, he certainly got like, pick out anything that we've kind of seen production wise from these two plays, he's definitely got more juice than Josh Palmer. You know, I mean, Palmer is like a fine player. I've always said that about Josh Palmer, but Quinn Johnson legit, like when this is what I think has been shocking this season as opposed to last year, like there were very little times they got him rolling after the catch in his rookie season. But even when they did, it just didn't look the same as it did in college. And I don't think he'll ever look that good in the NFL as the Yak players. He did at TCU and the big 12 and all that stuff. But in week number one against the Raiders, I thought there were some moments where he got rocking and rolling with the ball in his hands, which is pretty good to see. And I'll give him credit to his first touchdown at least against the Panthers, you know, second one kind of like a it's a wide open play, you know, he better just catch that and keep it going. But that was like a deep shot tight coverage. And he just got the football, which is not Quinn Johnson's game. So I think what we're seeing here is this guy's becoming like a useful functional NFL receiver. Can he continue to stack those weeks? Can he continue to get better? I think that's the question. But certainly the results of the player right now are much better than expected. I've got a lot of people in the discord be like, yo, let's get a Quinn Johnson chart. So I'm going to try to do that at the end of this week. We'll see. Because it is a pretty interesting development. It's a shocking development from what we saw in year number one for QJ. And to be honest with you, I'm so curious if you end up doing this chart, I'm so curious to see what the route participation is in regards to 2024 versus 2023. It just, it feels like, and again, I haven't sat down and, you know, looked at game film of every single, you know, QJ snap here, but it just feels, it certainly feels like they are bringing him back to the football a lot more and utilizing that big body a little bit more. So I don't know. I'd be very curious. But as you did, as you mentioned, to be fair, he has made some plays down the field as well, plays that he certainly was not making in 2023. I think he's also had some drops, some, you know, quintessential QJ drops as well. But that's okay. You know, we kind of sort of worked through that and he's definitely developed here in year number two. Man, I certainly would be very curious to see what these numbers look like after just a couple of game sample here for Quentin Johnston. Okay, dude, we talked about Clint Kubergh just a little bit here. But man, what in the world is going on with the New Orleans Saints? My God, Clint Kubergh has these boys rolling right now. Oh, man, it's been so fun to see because look, I, I'm not a big victory lap guy. I don't like to, because I don't like to look like a clown, but I think we can point back to our old takes and be like, Hey, you know, this is what we said in the off season, we're seeing it come to fruition in the real games. I think you're equally a clown. If you're like, Oh, you take the victory lap. No, we're just, we're talking about what we thought. And then it's, we're seeing a play out in the games because I mean, I, look, I did not expect the Saints to be the best offense in the NFL, but I will definitely think I was higher on the Saints offense than most people out there this off season because I thought a lot of what we've seen so far with this offense and Clint Kubergh and the way he's calling it, the way he's structuring it would, would be benefits to, to basically every player in New Orleans. We're seeing that happen before our very eyes. I mean, on Sunday, the, like it's one thing when you tear up the Panthers in week one. Okay. Right. Exactly. One thing when you do that, but man, when you go out against a defense that I thought played great football in week one in Mike Zimmer and the Dallas Cowboys, I think that's a totally different story. According next to the stats, the Saints offense was mainly under center, 75% of their plays in week two. They use motion on 74% of its plays 9.5 yards per play and 61.5% success rate when using motion. So far this year, James Co. Derek Carr has 51.2% of his drawbacks have come with play action. He was dead last in play action rate and the Saints were dead last in motion last year. This is a cataclysmic change. Maybe at some point, the events is catch up. Like I don't, maybe Mike Zimmer just didn't do his homework from week one. Maybe it just wasn't ready for everything that the Saints were going to throw at him. I don't know, but that's a pretty bad job by Mike Zimmer and I tended doubt that that's the case. Right. But 13.2 yards per attempt on play action, according to pro football focus. That's number two among quarterbacks so far this year. Number one is actually your boy, Sam Darnold. So shout out to you and talk about a big gap on that one. But yeah, man, Derek Carr has played really good football this year for the Saints in this, in the way this offense is constructed. And I think the reality is it's just such a big deal. It's such a big deal when you go from an offense that is so far out of line with the way offenses are structured and designed right now. And then you go to just a, you know, offense that's pushing all the right buttons, elevating the quarterback, elevating the offensive line, elevating the receivers who are already really good. This is what you get. These are the results that you see. There's so many things going on here because first of all, I think from a personnel standpoint, it's not as if the Saints did a lot this offseason to change their personnel. So there's really not a whole lot that you could point to and say, oh, well, they added this guy or they added this is like, no, they didn't really touch their offense all that much. It's the same quarterback. It's the same group of receivers and all that kind of stuff. It's just so easy to point to the offensive coordinator, right? I mean, sometimes it's a messy picture where the offensive coordinator comes in and maybe they've got, you know, a brand new offensive line or brand new patent system. That's just not the case in New Orleans. It really comes down to Pete Carmichael, who by the way is back with Denver and look at Denver's offense right now, struggling a lot versus what we've got in New Orleans. And New Orleans is absolutely revamped themselves. And it's great. I mean, Rashid Shahid, who, you know, we've talked about he's a splash play guy. There's no question about it. I mean, my dude has only run 33 routes total through two games, 33 routes total. And he's ninth in the NFL in receiving yards, right? When targeted, he has a perfect passer rating, 158.3. He's catching 77.8% of the footballs thrown his way. This is absolutely outstanding. It's, it's, it's ridiculous. It is crazy what is going on. But again, you go back to unlocking these guys. You know, and I know a Lave hasn't had like, you know, a huge breakout game, but you could just, you could feel that coming. You can feel that coming. There's going to be a game where this guy's going to pop off for two touchdowns and 120 plus yards and just a bunch of receptions. You could just, you feel that coming with Chris Olave, but the fact that they've unlocked certain guys here and specifically Rashid Shahid, I think is just a huge testament to Clint Kubiak. Man, if I'm New Orleans, I'm trying to figure out a way like when the end of the year comes, especially because Clint Kubiak is the legacy kid, he's going to get a head coaching opportunity somewhere. You know, I'd be the head coach of the Bears by the end of the month. You know what? We'll save this for the end of the year, but I'm just saying, if you're the Saints, right? And you've got Dennis Allen or you could lose Clint Kubiak. What you doing, man? What you doing? Would you, would you realistically say, Hey, Dennis, we got to make you the DC man and Clint Kubiak said coach, brother, like, we just got to do this, you know, like, I don't know. I don't know. If I'm New Orleans, I'm not losing Clint. Don't you think they're like, there's a part of Dennis Allen, you know, because he's always so crusty and cantankerous, totally press conferences and like they ask him about AT Perry all the time. And he's like, yeah, he, he's a player who plays for us or like, yeah, Kendra Miller never plays for us. So what do you want me to say? Don't you think he almost would like rather go back to being a DC? If I was Dennis, I would think about it. Let me just put it that way. If they offer to be that, I'd be like, yeah, I might take that, but there was a situation. There was a situation where the Bucks, I think after like a nine and seven season, I believe where the Bucks fired Lovey Smith to keep Derek Carter, or Dirk Carter, because he had such a good year with Jamis Winston or something like that. And it's like, well, we got to, yeah, yeah, because it was Jamis Winston's rookie season in 2015. And they fired, they fired Lovey Smith, right, to keep Dirk Carter because they were so, which didn't work out by the way, but they were so worried about losing Jamis Winston's office coordinator. So it's not something that's never been done before. Yeah. I could see it happening, man. Um, man, this is, it's crazy though. I, I found, I found New Orleans, there's no way I want click, click, click back, leaving the building, dude. Period. Period. Yeah. And it's, it's one thing of like, there were a couple of, uh, dorks who suggested this about like Bobby Sloak last year, like, oh, you can't lose by so, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's slow down for a second. I mean, to me, go Ryan's do this, you one year and it's clear he has set the culture and the tone of that entire team. For sure. I just don't really buy the Dennis Allen's doing that. So I, I normally, normally I'd push back on this, but I think in this specific situation, and it, we could be overreacting to two weeks, right? Like let's see what happens when we get more games and so, yeah, but, but I do think I'm at least like, I'm at least willing to hear you out by the end of the year on that one. Yeah. I mean, and by the way, you know, the thing with the, the, the Houston situation to make a Ryan Sloak and all that stuff, again, you added a potentially generational style quarterback, you know, and like, and, and credit to get Sloak for unlocking that and unlocking Niko Collins and doing those things. That's awesome, man. For sure. He deserves credit on that. I'm just saying like to, to say it's all Sloak. When you added CJ Strauss seems a little, seems a little off versus what we have in New Orleans. They didn't really add all that much. It's Derek Carr who we know is, he's a known product in the NFL, right? Um, and again, this offense wasn't that good last year. So anyways, there you go. You know, I will say about Derek Carr, um, I'm not going to go crazy with my Derek Carr, you know, praise or anything like that. I think Derek Carr has been, I think he's been good. So far this year, obviously he's been good, but, you know, I think he's been really good. And I think that I think actually the reality is that, and this is something I'm like thinking about is that when like a guy like Derek Carr, who we've seen play above average football, when he has a season like he saw last year, it just should always immediately be like, well, let's just see him with an offense that's, that's better designed. Like I wonder what we can get at, you know, they're, they're committed to him long term, that whole thing. But I just think like these guys that are in the Mayfield car zone, the Darnold zone, maybe although Darnold has been way worse than any of these guys. I still make sure in that, but yeah, Geno Smith or shoot even, even Jared golf in a way, when we've seen them be like above average starting quarterbacks, I know I'm too quick to write off like, oh yeah, but this guy or whatever, um, I'm just like trying to continually learn the lesson of like, let's, and that was part of why the saints, like I had some saints optimism was honestly like some residual Baker Mayfield PTSD being way too low on Baker and having like no enthusiasm about the box offense prior, right, I think a lot of that was, I just wanted to be realistic about like, yeah, Derek cars like a punching bag, but he's, he is an above average starting quarterback. And when you give him a good picture, like the Clint Kubiak and the saints are doing right now, he can get it done. And like he can feed productive receivers and you know, that's the final point I want to make here is obviously ever she, she, he just popping off. We at reception perception, love her, she, she had a great profile last year. That was somebody I liked drafting and fantasy this year. The whole deal, uh, a very, very pro Chris, uh, bro pro or she, she had podcasts, Chris Olave, I get it wide receiver 48 in fantasy right now. He has 92 yards on the season. He did nothing against Panthers in week one. He had 81 yards or whatever last week, um, by the way, if you're playing fantasy and you receive her clear as a yard, you're not allowed to complain about it. Don't care where you draft him. That's a pretty decent, how about being the Jamar chase people? Okay. 35 yards in week two could be worse. Travis Kelsey people. Oh my God. One catch. But just want to hammer home to the people that, if you're listening to this and you're go worried about Chris Olave, it is James said it and I just want to back it up. It is common baby. This is going to happen. I think Olave looked awesome in week two, dude, they got him run after catch opportunities. Chris Olave hasn't had what have we talked about? Olave on the, this podcast since he's been drafted, no layup routes, no yards after catch opportunities. None. That's coming in this offense. We saw it in week two. I also think he's been playing a little, with a little bit more edge, been playing a little bit more physical. And even like, even in week one, I remember thinking this, this is a little more esoteric and stuff like that. I might have like a, I might chart Chris Olave, I probably will because I'm, I'm just interested in getting this take on the website too. But there was a couple of plays in week one where, you know, Chris Olave was kind of like, I don't know what his deal was last year, right? He got like arrested. Had some like weird beef with car at times that just felt very, you know, uh, I think a lot of it is what we talked about with the Panthers. Sometimes you can't lie to the players. You can't, you can't BS of about what's going on on Sundays. And I think everybody in that Saints offense last year is like, this is bad and we're going nowhere with this. But like Olave in week one, even when he's got two catches for 11 yards, he was like constantly engaged with players. He was like, dappin up there a car. He was like getting excited for other guys. I just think that, yeah, it's kind of like a, a bit of a slow take off here for Olave, but just want to hammer the point home for people that with this offense, with the way it's designed, it's coming for him. And I think he will have a really nice season, man. What you just said there, I've, I've talked about that a lot, um, on various platforms, but on this podcast too, it's the numbers are the numbers and I get it. The charting is the charting, but man, there is so much that goes into that though, you know, the vibes matter vibes matter because these are humans. These are guys with emotions, you know, and, um, the vibes in, in, in New Orleans were just, man, they were just off last year, you know, it feels so different. And I get it. They're winning big. And so whenever you win, it's, it, it masks a lot, you know, totally 100%. But man, the way they're winning though, it's fun. As a matter of fact, Alvin Camaro said at post game, it's fun. These boys are having fun out there, you know, I think even in wins last year, it was hard to say, okay, well, they're just, they're, they're, they're vibing their crews in right now. And man, this just, it just feels different, you know, um, they've got a new voice in their ear, obviously with Clint Kubeack and, um, just the way they're playing football right now. It just, it seems as if they're having a lot more fun. By the way, the way that Clint Kubeack is utilizing his dad's run scheme or I want to say it's his dad's run scheme because it seems very similar outside zone and using a guy like Alvin Camaro to find those seams and cut upstream. It's like, yeah, no shit, guys, like really, you waited this freaking long? Come on, guys. Like what is going on, you know, like I just don't understand, but I just want to point this out. I know it's a receiver podcast, but Alvin Camaro, 77% of his runs are outside the tackle box right now. Last year, it was around, I think it was around 55% just, it's just so obvious that you want to get this guy outside and moving. You know what I mean? And especially, by the way, especially if you've got a bad offensive line, you need to move that pocket. You know, get these guys moving a little bit by that. That's part of the answers that I'm talking about when you have an offensive, uh, when you have a guy who understands how offensive lines need to move and all that kind of stuff. Anyways, whatever. We're getting off on a tangent. Yeah. It makes me, it makes me think a lot about the, um, conversation I had with Brandon Thorne on the podcast where he talked about the ways that you can help a bad offensive line. And he and I were both skeptical of this offensive line coming of the year, but again, they've both in the run and pass game, I think they've pushed all the right buttons. So that, that is a really good point. Okay. Very quickly here before we get out of here, one of the big, big story lines, I think from a receiver perspective has certainly been the, um, outpouring of production here from Alec Pierce. Now, week one, you could have said, okay, it was a little, um, maybe it was a little, you know, one offish, but now that he's put together two good games now as Alec Pierce, he's absolutely crushing and he's cruising. Uh, what are your thoughts here on Alec Pierce in this Indianapolis offense? You know, I think that number one, Anthony Richardson just is what he is right now. And I, I don't want to do like hyper aggressive, anti-richescent analysis every single, you know, week and like he's going to have great throws and he's going to have awful throws, you know, like he's not a, he is not a consistently accurate quarterback period, end of story. That was, we knew that was going to be the case coming into it. That's why like, shoot, I don't know, even if like Derek Carr was the quarterback of the Saints, you know, who obviously does not have the same ceiling as a player like Anthony Richardson. If Derek Carr was the, I mean, Derek Carr was the quarterback of the Colts. I honestly think I would have been drafting all of these Colts receivers and fantasy football, but, um, you know, even guys like Downs and Mitchell, who I really liked, you know, they were, they weren't even like top 50 players at the position. Of course, Downs obviously had a preseason injury and Michael Pittman, um, wasn't even like a clear cut wide receiver too for me. He was kind of on the fringes of that territory. So are the very back end of wide receiver too is like, we just knew this was going to be an issue from a production standpoint. The one thing we did not count on, um, and I think this was overlooked by the entire fantasy community is that like, yeah, Alec Pierce is not garbage. Alec Pierce is not a worthless NFL player and if you go, go back, people that listen to his podcast, go back to the website, go to reception perception.com and look at Alec Pierce is 2022 RP profile. Like this is a guy that did have a 57th percentile success rate versus man 69th against press. Nothing special. Um, actually quite poor against zone, but, you know, James, if you remember back to his draft year, I, I basically said he was like the bad takes of DK Met cap. That's who is a player. Sure. Uh, he can sting you on go routes. He can sting you on big overs like posts and he can get you on slant routes. That's what we've kind of seen from Alec Pierce so far. And with him involved here, it's just going to really bring down the production floor. I think for everybody involved in this room, but yeah, I'm not saying that Pierce is going to be the best receiver on this roster. I don't think that's going to be the case by the end of the year. I actually think when I watch this Colts offense, dude, they need capital N E D need my guy, Josh Downs out there. I think he, he's the best separator on the team. Um, he need they Richardson needs a guy that's going to be the right place, right time. I think Anthony Mitchell has had some splash moments as a route runner, but he's also been like not at the right place at the right time. Maybe he's not on the page in the same page with Richardson, where Josh Downs was so much as a rookie. So I think that's a big deal. Down's not being out there. Big deal. They need him in there. Uh, but I do think Pierce is like a, is a role player. He's a viable role player that is not going to just completely go away. I think what, uh, I want to bring this back to the Saints actually because Chris Olave, if you look at the charting data, right? Like he's just so good downfield and for all of the virtues of, of Derek Carr, what he is not, and we've got the charting data back this up as well, what he's not is, is an aggressive downfield thrower and he's just not that great at throwing downfield. So it's a little bit of oil and water when he went to New Orleans, we've talked about on the show too. Um, when he went to New Orleans, I think we all just kind of sort of overlook that, um, because the quarterback situation there in New Orleans was so untenable. Um, but when he, when he got in there and started rolling, Olave was a little bit of a forgotten man because their skill sets did not necessarily match up. All right. Well, why, I bring that up because, um, I've really talked about Alec Pierce being a pretty good downfield, um, route runner and a pretty good downfield threat, right? And by the way, you talk about him not being garbage guys, he's a second round draft pick for God's sake. You know, it's like, I mean, the draft capital is there, right? So, um, but yeah, but when you talk about, um, skill sets and quarterbacks, his skill set obviously did not match up with these dead arm quarterbacks that they've been bringing in in Indianapolis, right? Now that he's got a live arm and a huge arm, um, in Anthony Richardson, I think that's why you're seeing a little bit of that veil lifted here with Alec Pierce. I totally agree with you. It's not, it can't be consistent. It just can't be the, for, for the player that he is, which is, yeah, he's just not that dude, right? He's not a consistent separator against zone coverage, as you mentioned. And, and quite frankly, I think even against man coverage, he's more above average than anything else, right? So, um, to your point, I think when Josh Downs comes back, 80 Mitchell has been kind of forced into this. Okay. Well, let's just see if he can give us some slot reps, right? And, and that's where some of that inconsistency comes. Josh Downs, I think he's going to, as you mentioned, give him a, a really nice underneath, um, look and Alec Pierce will be a, a really interesting over the top piece. It makes me wonder though, Matt, like, so what happens now with a guy like Michael Pittman and what happens with Adonai Mitchell, who again is making some plays, but, um, can you really sit down Alec Pierce for, for the start that he's having for, for a prospect like Adonai Mitchell? I'm not sure. I'm not sure either. Uh, I think that will be really interesting. I think all these guys are going to end up rotating a decent bit, a little bit decent bit here, but I think like Michael Pittman will, he'll have, he'll have his days, but I just don't think he's going to be a consistently productive player either. I think he'll be the leading target getter, the leading guy in terms of routes, but it's just tough to imagine with where Anthony Richardson is right now as a quarterback, which is in the developmental stage, like we don't know if he's going to be good. We don't know if he's going to be bad. We do know he's going to have good moments and we know we have a lot of really bad. That is what we do know, but we don't know the final answer to the test. So for right now, I think I'm just kind of lowering expectations for all of these guys this year. I think it's a great room. I think it's a great room to develop Anthony Richardson, but that's the key thing is we're developing him here. So while he's developing, he's not going to be able to, like I don't think Michael Pittman's going to have a consistent season as much as I like the player. It's a fantastic room, it really is, and all these guys, they fit different roles, which I like. Josh Downs underneath, Michael Pittman, anything in everything intermediate, and Alec Pearson may be 80 Mitchell as well over the top. It's a well-constructed room, kudos to the Indianapolis Colts for, I think, putting together a room that is really, really nice. And they've got some depth, you know, they've got, again, now they've got four wide receivers that can play, not just three, like they had in Chicago, right, where they're forced to throw to DeAndre Carter, put DJ Moore in that role. What are we doing out here, Chicago? Golly, it's so simple. It's so easy. I don't get it. I'm so confused. Anyways. All right, so there you go. That's the show. I thought we hit a lot of points here. Covered a lot of ground, especially in the world of wide receivers and quarterbacks, which is a lot of fun. We're going to be back here in a couple of days. I hope there's no more injury news. Okay. I hope there's a more injury news when we come back on Wednesday. Absolutely. It has been rough for sure. Anyways, from that Harman, I'm James Koe. We've got to go, but remember, it's never too late to chase your dreams. Peace. If you're a facilities manager at a warehouse and your HVAC system goes down, it can turn up the heat, literally. 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